Chandler or Diop

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I don't think there is even a reasonable doubt as to who deserves to be getting the bulk of the minutes between Tyson Chandler and Nazr Mohammed. Clearly its Nazr, He deserves to be our starting center.

If this were to happen, who would you give the remaining 15 or so minutes per game to as backup center Tyson Chandler or Diop.... Tyson has shown me nothing.

[Black]

Chandler. We are paying him too much not to play him a little bit.

[French_Cats]

Chandler and Diop are both zero attacks have unfortunately I see no difference between the two if diop played it out quickly because of the mistakes I'll guarantee

[WarioVsMooChicken]

Bring back Dwayne Jones! =o

[MrMelot]

Most definitely Gana.

At least he can catch a fucking basketball. He may not be able to do much once he catches it but the ability to wrap ones hands around a basketball as it heads in your general direction is definitely a plus for an NBA player. :ranting:

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At this point I'd rather have Gana on the court than Tyson. I honestly don't see one single solitary thing that Tyson does better than Gana.

Does anyone else?

On a side note, what were your thoughts last night on seeing Tyson mangle that one man fast break? :facepalm:

[teej]

Tyson is a better defender, and seeing as how Gana is only a defender, I'll take Tyson.

They just need to keep the ball out of TC's hands permanently.

[dnbman]

I'm not really defending Chandler, as he has been pretty miserable overall. However, here's a few things to consider:

1. Chandler has changed a lot of shots this season, even if he hasn't blocked them. He can get up and make people change what they do. We need that.

2. While only explaining some of the stone hands moments, there are times when we pass it to him at the waste or lower. He needs it in the chest to be most effective. Props to Ampsportsduo for pointing this out the other night.

3. I don't think he's at 100% yet. He just looks a second behind on most plays. Is his actions aren't automatic, like a quality professional athlete's should be. Once he gets up to speed and becomes more fluid, I think he'll be better.

We'll see. It's certainly a bit concerning.

[Walt Cronkite]

I voted for Tyson, but that's not meant to be a ringing endorsement (duh).

Curious: Did Mek have the "Hands of Stone" moniker over here too? I know that criticism ran rampant on Realgm (along with the fallacy that he didn't dunk enough which lead to him being known as "Toodles".) Not trying to turn this into Mek v. Chandler, just seriously asking.

[dnbman]

I voted for Tyson, but that's not meant to be a ringing endorsement (duh).

Curious: Did Mek have the "Hands of Stone" moniker over here too? I know that criticism ran rampant on Realgm (along with the fallacy that he didn't dunk enough which lead to him being known as "Toodles".) Not trying to turn this into Mek v. Chandler, just seriously asking.

To some degree, though I don't think people called him "Toodles."

Why is his lack of dunking considered a fallacy? He seemed pretty soft in the paint to me.

[Walt Cronkite]

1. Chandler has changed a lot of shots this season, even if he hasn't blocked them. He can get up and make people change what they do. We need that.
Chandler has never been much of a shot blocker


2. While only explaining some of the stone hands moments, there are times when we pass it to him at the waste or lower. He needs it in the chest to be most effective. Props to Ampsportsduo for pointing this out the other night.
I've made this point about a different Bobcat center before. Not sure why we make bad passes to our bigs. Stephen Jackson has been terrible at this lately.


3. I don't think he's at 100% yet. He just looks a second behind on most plays. Is his actions aren't automatic, like a quality professional athlete's should be. Once he gets up to speed and becomes more fluid, I think he'll be better.
Eh, I don't think his ankle or foot has been bothering him for a while, do you mean the back spasms that he missed time with? I'm afraid he isn't injured, he just doesn't have that high of a basketball IQ. I also think he doesn't have a very quick second jump, but I'm willing to explain that away as a possible conditioning issue.

As I wrote earlier, not trying to turn this into a Mek v. Tyson thing. I'm just pretty disappointed in Chandler, he's been underwhelming and my expectations were pretty low. I've come around to the thinking that Okafor was never going to justify his contract, which I thought was the trade's one saving grace at the time... so at least we have that going for us. I am soooooooo happy Naz did the right thing this summer, where would we be without him?!

[Walt Cronkite]

Why is his lack of dunking considered a fallacy? He seemed pretty soft in the paint to me.

He was a top 10 dunker for two seasons before bumping that up to 5th last year. He was also 12th last season in and one opportunities (he just never made his fts, so it didn't really help that much), so it's not like he was just dunking when no one was around. Getting blocked as much as he did didn't help this misconception, but ironically Gerald Wallace has always had a higher percentage of his inside shots blocked than Okafor did and I don't think Crash ever had to deal with people complaining about him not getting enough slams.

[dnbman]

He was a top 10 dunker for two seasons before bumping that up to 5th last year. He was also 12th last season in and one opportunities (he just never made his fts, so it didn't really help that much), so it's not like he was just dunking when no one was around. Getting blocked as much as he did didn't help this misconception, but ironically Gerald Wallace has always had a higher percentage of his inside shots blocked than Okafor did and I don't think Crash ever had to deal with people complaining about him not getting enough slams.

The numbers probably suggest that he was a dunker, but it was excruciating to watch him put up little layups during the game, to the point that people would be shouting out to him when he didn't. I'm not so sure it was a misconception, even if was dunking at a higher rate than most. He still should have been dunking more. I think that's why you don't hear complaints about Crash: he didn't have the opportunities that Okafor had.

[Walt Cronkite]

The numbers probably suggest that he was a dunker, but it was excruciating to watch him put up little layups during the game, to the point that people would be shouting out to him when he didn't. I'm not so sure it was a misconception, even if was dunking at a higher rate than most. He still should have been dunking more. I think that's why you don't hear complaints about Crash: he didn't have the opportunities that Okafor had.

The numbers don't suggest that he was a dunker. 71% of his FGAs were "inside" attempts and of those, only 19% were dunks. For comparison, 82% of Chandler's shots this season have been attempted inside and 29% of those have been dunk tries. The difference is that Mek scored inside at a 64% clip, while Chandler has managed to make only 57% of his.

You can argue that Mek could still/should've dunked more. I can't refute it. My point has always been that he still dunks the ball an awful lot. Depending on your thoughts on Nene (who only got 7 more jams than Okafor), all of the players above Okafor (Dwight/Shaq/Iguodala) are either massive or have top tier athleticism.

A block is a block, a miss is a miss. Okafor was more efficient with his attempts inside, despite attempting dunks at a lower rate... so maaaaybe too much was being made about his proposed unwillingness to dunk the basketball.

[Woodsy23]

i dont get all these long paragraphs and answers saying whos better when it can be summed up in just a few words: they both suck and dont deserve the money their being paid.

[G-Force for MVP]

I am so happy when tyson picks up 2 quick fouls

[Wolfpackbobcat]

I am so happy when tyson picks up 2 quick fouls

me too.:g:

[GoBobs]

I think we should rotate five different guys at center depending on matchups. I think we should play about two per game of Naz, Diop, TC, Lexy and then play Diaw when we go small. None of our bigs are really top tier players, rotating them will keep them fresher and make us harder to scout as a team.

If the other team has a player who is a great rebounder because he knows how to push the other center around and get good position on every rebound TC and Lexy will have a hard time. Diop has size that none of our other guys have and we need him to put a body on some of these guys. He isn't going to be ready when we need him if he never gets a chance to play. Putting him in with 3 min left is not going to work.

Lexy can also do something none of these other guys do, shoot form the outside. That would really help open up driving lanes for wallace and Jackson.

It isn't just these guys that need to play either. LB needs to use the whole bench more. Hendo and Brown are the guys I would play. Tonight we got like 2 buckets from our bench, but really only three guys were in very long.

[Toocool]

Tyson. Diop brings absolutely nothing to the offensive end. Tyson brings at least a minuscule amount.

[dnbman]

I think we should rotate five different guys at center depending on matchups. I think we should play about two per game of Naz, Diop, TC, Lexy and then play Diaw when we go small. None of our bigs are really top tier players, rotating them will keep them fresher and make us harder to scout as a team.

However, rotating so much also decreases the flow of the team. I think that's why Brown has been sticking by TC so much: he wants TC to start playing the right way with the flow of the team. TC is just taking a long time to figure out how to do so.

[ELEVATION]

Clippers Coach Mike Dunleavy declined to confirm Saturday a recent report that said various NBA teams have made trade offers for starting forward Marcus Camby

COULD IT BE THE BOBCATS!?!?

[DCW]

that would be great since he can play pf/c and he has an expiring deal

[rsxnova]

Camby would be a godsend but who would we give up?

[French_Cats]

http://espn.go.com/nba/dailydime/_/page/dime-091112-13/weekend-dime-players-soon-trade-eligible
Gortat , camby , bass ?