View Full Version : Crash calling out Diaw and Chandler...
I wondered how long before Crash or Jax did this...I guess I know now...
http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=291219030
BobcatsAllDay
12-20-2009, 02:45 AM
You can see it on some of the guys faces w/ Diaw. I saw frustration on Ray's face a couple of games ago. His attitude and play are most definitely on the same page right....he could care less. And Crash is right, a teammate cannot fix your heart. With Diaw it's an effort issue, with Chandler it's a talent issue. But if Chandler gave 100% effort (mentally and physically) every night, I think you could give him a pass on the obvious flaws in his game.
Marvel
12-20-2009, 02:50 AM
Too right i saw it on Crash's face tonight after the game...... a look of disgust, both TC and Diaw don't deserve the fucking salary they're getting.
Fred Williamson
12-20-2009, 05:23 AM
Jax also said basically the same thing. Check his interview.
LB is quickly going to lose the players (Ray, Crash, and Jax) that support him if he does not bench Diaw and Ty until he gets those guys attention...
...and if LB does not bench Diaw and Ty I would not blame our three, that put it out there every night, going to MJ and complaining...
LB needs to do this (benching Diaw and Ty) before this gets ugly...
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/bobcats/story/1135088.html
Chrystos
12-20-2009, 01:43 PM
I'd rather just trade them. Heck maybe even cut them off the team. We might suck for the rest of the season but at least we would get rid of does idiots and we would have a chance for a big free agent. :g:
Ghost Kat
12-20-2009, 01:51 PM
I just don't understand why Larry Brown this legendary coach keeps putting in Boris instead of Derrick Brown. He put in Graham before UPS. Flip before Henderson I can kinda understand, But both rookies give more effort then the Vets. Tyson can't catch, as I saw it he accounted for atleast 10 turnovers on missed or fumbled passes. He is clearly 12 million times worse then Okafor, Bright side is He can be gone next year.
I know LB loves vets Kat...and I sorta get it but not when the vets just don't give effort...I'd like to see UPS and Hendo get more burn...
The one I really don't get is not starting Nazzy over Chandler at this point...I've never seen Nazzy not give 100%...and at this point I really question LB and his "rotations"...I'm not happy at all with him...
dav7z
12-20-2009, 02:19 PM
1st Dick Bavetta last night looked like he had a bet on the game . He single handed took Felton out of the game in the first and second quarter. Williams would have had decent stats but no where near what he posted . Give Baraetta cradit for that one .
2nd For those of you who was trying to put the blame of that lose on either of the points clearly wasn't at the game . Felton can personaly thank Chandler for two of his TOs and Borris for at least one. And DJ flat out looked great
3rd TC has got top be beanched , Nazz only playing nine mins is poor coaching and i don't care if it is L Brown , Lexy is better right now than TC . TC has had 25 starts and still cant catch a pass , shoot a lick. or rebound at just a decent rate . If Lexy could just post SIX points and THREE boards . Thats giving us as much as TC. At least we would see effort and one hell of a up side. Chandler has long passed the point of being beanched.
4th Borris is soft gives little effort , has no toughness . And Brown is calling the offence to go through him again . He is a turn over machine this year , He acts as if he don't give a damn on the floor . I think this is starting to spread to the locor room [ the i don't care attitude]
5th I put part of this crap on Brown . Force feeding Boris and TC . is causing truble.
Players ready to bust ass and rookies seem to have to take a back seat in a L Brown system. Hendo , Brown , Lex , Law . DJ
can't be that much of a drop from
Flip, Graham , neither of thease two wll never be more than they are right now in this league.
For that reason i say Brown is holding back our young players.
I don't give a damn if we sign Jake V . I want some one ready to bust ass.
dav...I give LB credit for one thing...he is not "dogging" Diaw in the press...that would only drive what little value he may have to non-existent...but LB is starting to look very foolish...even Sloan benched starters when they played like crap/gave little effort...it is the only way to get their attention...Diaw and Chandler need to be benched (as in totally not play) for a game or two...if they don't respond after that we're really screwed with those two...
WarioVsMooChicken
12-20-2009, 02:35 PM
Remember last year when we started Ajinca and DJ because of a lack of effort?
We honestly didn't do bad when that happened and when we went back to our normal starters, they seemed to play better.
ITS TIME TO START BROWN AND NAZR UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE
Scottley Crue
12-20-2009, 02:36 PM
Effort is the issue with Diaw, results are the issue with Chandler. I can't say I've looked at Chandler and thought "Geez, that guy's dogging it out there, looks like he couldn't care less." Diaw, though...I'm getting to where I think that quite frequently.
As for Chandler, I finally saw the players not trust him with passes last night. Previously, they knew he would struggle with catching them, but would do it anyway to make sure he knew to be ready for the ball. I could initally see the hesitation and later the out-and-out refusal of Ray and Jax to pass him the ball when the situation "recomended" they should. That's one that can't continue...that's one that hopefully can be corrected and/or improved with practice. I don't know how you make someone care when they really don't.
I'm with you 100%...Nazzy and UPS need to start...at least a couple of games...and if the team plays better...they need to keep starting...
dav7z
12-20-2009, 02:46 PM
I think this is just stupid on Browns part and is part of what is pissing off .Felton , JAX and Wallace.
I take this artical as if Brown thinks Borris is better at distribution than any of our big three . It kinda looks as if Brown is kissing Borris ass.. Though it might just be a attempt to get mure hustle out of him. Either way i think Wallace , Jax and Felton didn't like this artical.
http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/63509/20091219/bobcats_want_offense_to_run_through_diaw/
ArcandiaS
12-20-2009, 02:59 PM
As a Diaw fan, I can tell that I'm very disappointed of what is happening at Boris. If Gerald is fed up of Boris game, I must accept that he actually is a problem for the team.
But I can't imagine it has happened to Boris. Most of french players in NBA are not counting their efforts (TP, Batum, Turiaf, Pietrus...). I don't know why Diaw don't move his ass. I saw it already in national french team games this summer. Boris sucked most of time..
But I can't stop being a fan of him... I just hope for all the 'Cats fans now, that he'll get traded against a great PF that could make you all happy. If he could be traded against a very good player then Cats fans could think that Boris time in Charlotte was not totally bad.
I agree dav...and I posted early in the season that Crashs' body language was all wrong towards Diaw...I think this just exacerbated the problem and has now pulled Jax into it...I doubt it turns out well but I'm keeping my fingers crossed...
IMO Diaw needs to go but I literally see no other team we could "dump" him to that would not bring back someone even more horrific and a horrific contract with them...I think we're just screwed (or screw ourselves more) with Diaw at this point...
Scottley Crue
12-20-2009, 03:21 PM
I think this is just stupid on Browns part and is part of what is pissing off .Felton , JAX and Wallace.
I take this artical as if Brown thinks Borris is better at distribution than any of our big three . It kinda looks as if Brown is kissing Borris ass.. Though it might just be a attempt to get mure hustle out of him. Either way i think Wallace , Jax and Felton didn't like this artical.
http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/63509/20091219/bobcats_want_offense_to_run_through_diaw/
I saw that article too and thought that it was LB's way of letting Boris know that they need more from him. I imagine that yelling and screaming at him doesn't work (and how well would that work with anyone?), but challenging him to step up to his responsibilties is the way to go with him. LB knows what he's struggling with...and he's going to force him to do those things he struggles with until he definitively proves that he can or can't handle them. (We've done this where I work. If we see someone struggling in an area, we'll give them something that deals heavily in that area to give them an chance to improve--or not.)
Long story short, I believe it's LB way of saying, "All right, you want some responsibilty, let's see what you do with it. If it does or doesn't work out, that's your responsibility."
Demon DeaCat
12-20-2009, 04:10 PM
Chandler simply isn't talented enough to deserve to play more than 12-15 minutes a game. Nazzy is having a great year and LB still seems reluctant to play him, even after acknowledging his mishandling of Nazzy last season. This makes no sense to me. Why Chanlder played 30+ minutes last night is defies reason. Their minutes should have been flipped.
I have a lot more patience with Boris simply because we know that he is a talented player. Attitude/motivation can change. Talent can't. Boris was arguably our best player last season. He re-energized this team. I don't know what the problem is but we've got to hang in there with him because we're not a playoff team with him playing below his potential. He seems to be the one guy who's been negatively affected by Jax's arrival. Boris needs the ball in his hands to be effective. Jax controls the ball a lot, which has overall been a good thing, but it has changed Boris' role and he seems to have struggled with that, so perhaps LB is right that making a more concerted effort to run the offense through Boris will get him more engaged. If that's what it takes then we need to do it because bringing in Jax only to have Boris disappear will only result in us being back in the lottery yet again.
'Kat I agree with some of what you say...definitely not the "best player last year' but I know we all have our opinions there...
The problem (for me) is this is not a "first time" thing for Diaw...he has done this his entire career...and last year (as a point of reference) when we needed him most (Crash injured by Bynum) he all but disappeared for seven games...he has always (even here) passed up wide open "looks" to make another pass...well that has never been a good thing...and now his teammates are even pissed about it...
I (and I know I was pretty much alone on this) did not want him here because he has been (at best) a tease his entire career...I'm not sure why anyone expected that to change...as for the why...
I have no idea...he does it...
Side note: Guys sorry I'm posting back so much today and yesterday...but I'm sitting here with two feet of snow bored to death waiting for the game to start...spent five hours on my tractor clearing my driveway yesterday...so try not to get too irritated with me...LOL
French_Cats
12-20-2009, 05:49 PM
Here is the French say about Boris Diaw I translated into English with comments
http://translate.google.fr/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.basketusa.com%2Fnews%2Ffrenchie s%2F22039%2Fy-a-t-il-un-probleme-diaw-aux-bobcats%2F&sl=fr&tl=en
Thanks for the post French...even with the translation it is somewhat difficult to understand... but reading comments made about the article it seems (to me) he is out of favor in France also...weight and effort were mentioned a few times...problems many of us have noticed here...thanks again for the post...
Ghost Kat
12-20-2009, 06:44 PM
Diaw does have a nice skill set, but thats really only helpful on offense. He may play good tonight or maybe even the next couple games, But he'll fall off again. Diaw did alot of nice things last year but either he didn't dothem for the whole game or it was one good game four regular games. He doesnt run up the court, he sissy joggs. You can tell by his body language he's not into it. But LB is to blame also, He's not managing the team well. The rookie give max effort but sit on the bench. DJ doesn't shoot, LB pulls him out. LB did the same voodoo on DJ that he put on Morrison. Thankfully DJ seems to be more of a pro, Damn your Larry Brown you mean old man.
Tyson, Lord help him, He is hopeless. He can't do anything right. "Can't get right" should be Tyson's new name. I still think Nazr is old and slow but would much rather see him then Tyson. I would start Sean May over Tyson or Boris right now.
GoBobs
12-20-2009, 06:49 PM
trade tyson play ajinca!
Well at least Chandler showed up tonight...more than I can say for Diaw...
Marvel
12-20-2009, 10:17 PM
Well Diaw had his opportunity tonight with Crash out and Jax sitting out from the 3rd onwards.........guess what he still sucked
Diaw sucked when we needed him most last year...after Crash was hurt in LA...anyone that put their "faith" in Diaw needs to stop that cool-aid...this guy is a tease and that is it...
TheBeagle
12-20-2009, 11:25 PM
Well, since I'm in the midst of a self-imposed exile from watching Bobcats games for the forseeable future (and damn it, if it isn't so much more relaxing!), I can't make any comments on game threads, obviously, but looking at boxscores and following comments by my BCP brethren, I have to say the atmosphere is reminiscent of the Sam Vincen era. Sure, things were kinda grim before the JRich trade last season, but it was less about team unity than on-the-court results. With Gerald's and Jack's words last night, the problems have become, at least in part, perhaps moreso, a locker room or unity issue.
This is pretty much how I feel about the whole thing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EB5-yJM3vJc
Ah.....what a great speech!!! However, I don't see Larry pulling something like this, but something needs to be done because like y'all are saying, if there's no penalty for playing poorly and giving minimal effort, it's mutiny-time, a la, Sam Vincent. I'm proud of Gerald and Jack for speaking their minds, but it's up to the coach, and I think how he responds wil dictate if this ship sinks.
Other than that, Merry Christmas, folks! Isn't this a good time of year? ;)
Beagle...I totally agree...but if LBs response is to bring a guy off the bench with the game on the line, that has not even been in the game, and leave two players (UPS and Nazzy) on the bench,particularly when they've been effective on the offensive end, then I've got to say how was FHB worse than this utter stupidity...?
I'm with you...I think I need a break...I'm fully and 100% as exasperated as I ever was with FHB...
Marvel
12-21-2009, 02:10 AM
Something needs to be done about Diaw that's for sure,after Crash and Jax comments it looks like it's gone through 1 ear and out the other for Diaw.....i think it's going to get very ugly in the locker room if Diaw isn't traded soon.As for TC it seems as though he took Crash's comments to heart(well here's hoping) because at least he had a solid game tonight and to me out of the 2 i think(as ludicrous as it may sound) TC can turn his ass around and give us solid performances like he did tonight for the rest of the season if he can last that long
ziggy
12-21-2009, 07:03 AM
Chandler responds to being singled out by Gerald
http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/11640/wallaces-words-dont-sit-well-with-chandler
He didn't appreciate being singled out (along with Diaw).
"I think it's bull personally,'' said Chandler, who matched his season-high with 13 points. "When you lose and play like we do, you can't say that someone else is the problem. I don't feel like we're good enough to point fingers.''
One reason Wallace's words may have bothered Chandler is because Chandler is battling through ankle and toe problems. Though he's played in 24 of the Bobcats' 26 games this season, Chandler said he still is not fully recovered after having surgery on his left ankle and toe in May.
"Some days I feel like I'm 90 percent, then sometimes like last night [against Utah], I feel like I can't move,'' said Chandler, whose per game averages of 6.5 points and 6.8 rebounds are his lowest since his rookie season. "Doctors have told me I won't be 100 percent until halfway through the season.''
dnbman
12-21-2009, 07:48 AM
Chandler responds to being singled out by Gerald
http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/11640/wallaces-words-dont-sit-well-with-chandler
"Some days I feel like I'm 90 percent, then sometimes like last night [against Utah], I feel like I can't move,'' said Chandler, whose per game averages of 6.5 points and 6.8 rebounds are his lowest since his rookie season. "Doctors have told me I won't be 100 percent until halfway through the season.''
That's fine, and I expected as much. However, the guy just seems like he needs to concentrate. I'm hoping the question really is only about his health. Half way through the season is next month, so it shouldn't be lingering much longer.
I just hope last night was a case of him being motivated to play.
There are a couple of things that bother me with Chandler's response...
The first is...if he has actually not been close to 100% why is he still starting and not Nazzy? It is not because Nazzy has not played good enough to start...as a matter of fact LB even said that Nazzy had played well enough to start...so why play a guy that is not all that close to 100% with a better than adequate replacement?
Second thing was this: "I think it's bull personally,'' said Chandler, who matched his season-high with 13 points. "When you lose and play like we do, you can't say that someone else is the problem. I don't feel like we're good enough to point fingers.''
Frankly, what I've see and thought about (Diaw and Chandler vs. Crash, Ray, and Jax) is the last thing he said..."I don't feel like we're good enough to point fingers.''
I think Crash, Ray and Jax do feel that this team is good enough to go to the playoffs...I don't think (from the way they play) Diaw and Chandler feel the same way...or at least (IMO) they don't play like they do...
I have serious doubts that this gets better without some major buy-in from Diaw and Chandler...but the way LB is coaching I'm not at all sure that the players are even the major problem...
spectre
12-21-2009, 10:50 AM
I haven't really seen Chandler dogging it so I think he probably has a little bit of backing for his comments.
Boris on the other hand...
dav7z
12-21-2009, 11:04 AM
TC and his lazy ass just needs to shut up and play. Hes about useless. Brown not playing Nazz but 7 to 10 mins a game who has tons more production, whats with Brown , can he not see TC is not producing. Or is it a thing of showing management how stupid they was in making that trade.
Diaw is getting less confidence by the game , and his play has hit rock bottom. This is a hudge problem . We got to make some kind of trade to make that position servicable. Diaw at this point is no where close to being a servicable p/f . Coming off the beanch might do wonders for him and the team.
UPS 5 FOR 6 10 points , Is really a s/f but that effort was a hudge up grade over Diaw. A big line up with TC and Nazz is another option ,
Henderson , DJ and UPS, Nazz, brings energy we not seeing from TC and Diaw . Making them come off the beanch right now could only help the team .
Screw TC if he don't like it burry him like Brown did Diop . Damn Diop could not play any worse . Mabe TC will get pissed and leave next year .
I guess I think Chandler's comments are "cute" at best...his attempts to play as he heals do not explain the down-right stupid fouls...they don't explain the "I'm going to cut to the basket but not look and see if I'm being passed to"...it does not explain why he does not seem to able to find the guy he is suppose to be guarding most of the time...
I would have had more respect for him if the come back had been something like..."I can see where my teammates could question my heart...but I want to assure them I'm trying to play through my injuries...maybe it would be better if I came off the bench until I'm at least 90% all the time...all I want to do is help our team win."
That (or something like it) I could have respected...
Walt Cronkite
12-21-2009, 12:26 PM
Wasn't Chandler talking about how his ankle or foot or whatever his issue was was 100% and felt as good as ever during training camp? Pretty interesting that a third of the way into the season that has dropped to 90% some of the time. Have there been reinjury issues that I've missed? I know he missed games because of back spasms, but that's an unrelated issue.
Scottley Crue
12-21-2009, 12:36 PM
So, the injured ankle and toe make people inable to catch passes that hit them in their hands? I can cut him some slack because of the injury, but he just looks useless at times. He's welcome to say what he thinks, but I'm welcome to let him know his opinion will be considered valid when HE leads the league in rebounding.
spectre
12-21-2009, 12:44 PM
I guess I think Chandler's comments are "cute" at best...his attempts to play as he heals do not explain the down-right stupid fouls...they don't explain the "I'm going to cut to the basket but not look and see if I'm being passed to"...it does not explain why he does not seem to able to find the guy he is suppose to be guarding most of the time...
I would have had more respect for him if the come back had been something like..."I can see where my teammates could question my heart...but I want to assure them I'm trying to play through my injuries...maybe it would be better if I came off the bench until I'm at least 90% all the time...all I want to do is help our team win."
That (or something like it) I could have respected...
Yeah, but is that any different than he was at NOLA? I dunno...I never watched them a lot.
Difference between not having heart vs. just plain suckage.
Yeah, but is that any different than he was at NOLA? I dunno...I never watched them a lot.
Difference between not having heart vs. just plain suckage.
Hard for me to say spectre...I actually saw him more when he played for the Bulls...and at that time I thought he was under-utilized...but I'm beginning to think Skiles knew what he was doing with this clown...as in giving him limited minutes...
spectre
12-21-2009, 01:00 PM
Really makes you appreciate Chris Paul. I mean...everyone knew the kid was great, but now that TC is without him he really does look like warmed over crap for the most part.
And we used to bust on Mek for having stone hands. Hell, before he came we were warned Nazr couldn't catch anything but IMO he's worlds above TC.
Felton hitting him in the face last night was just so pitiful it was funny. Too bad he didn't put some zing on it...maybe then he'd figure out that he shouldn't just ignore the guy driving the ball.
ROTFLMAO...yea but if Ray had put zing on it TC would have been "out injured" for the rest of the year...I kinda hope we can trade him...:biggrin:
dav7z
12-21-2009, 02:15 PM
Really makes you appreciate Chris Paul. I mean...everyone knew the kid was great, but now that TC is without him he really does look like warmed over crap for the most part.
And we used to bust on Mek for having stone hands. Hell, before he came we were warned Nazr couldn't catch anything but IMO he's worlds above TC.
Felton hitting him in the face last night was just so pitiful it was funny. Too bad he didn't put some zing on it...maybe then he'd figure out that he shouldn't just ignore the guy driving the ball.
I kinda wish Felton would have put more on it and knocked his damn mouth shut . Trying to talk shit back about Crash . Hell he couldn't ware Crashes jock strap much less play at the level Crash does.
Chrystos
12-21-2009, 02:50 PM
I have a feeling that if we don't get rid of TC or Diaw, Wallace would request a trade. But I sure hope that is not the case, we would lose our best guy just because we kept two of the world's crappiest players. :(
KT#20
12-21-2009, 03:21 PM
But... but... but... I thought Chandler brought the passion we desperately needed?
Pure, unfiltered bullshit.
SWedd523
12-21-2009, 03:31 PM
But... but... but... I thought Chandler brought the passion we desperately needed?
Pure, unfiltered bullshit.
You= :hissyfit::hissyfit::hissyfit::hissyfit:
Me= :violin:
Marvel
12-21-2009, 04:38 PM
You're a load of "bull" TC.Never ever talk to my man Crash like that when you can't catch a cold you piece of crap.
At least Tyson is trying. He sucks, but he's trying.
Diaw has pissed me off. I loved what he did for us last year, but he's in Vince Carter status right now. Fuckface.
BobCatsFanInTx
12-21-2009, 06:31 PM
Diaw plays well when he feels like it but if he is upset or not coddled he takes games off. He gets paid millions to play a fucking sport at his best and he acts like he is MJ for crying out loud. He is no perennial all star and he has no right to be a jerk and a hole because he does not want to be in Charlotte. The dumb ass does not realize his poor performances are not going to endear him to other teams GM's and coaches. All I know is that the team better get rid of Diaw and TC.
I actually don't think TC is really trying. He has a few paltry stats and that is trying? No the man is really just another Okafor. He goes through the motions. However Okafor at least accomplished more doing so. Just for TC to get Okafor type stats he would need to compete every game. The man does not have a lot of talent but he has enough to do more than he is.
If Diaw shows up for most games we could win our fair share even without a solid back up. Diaw and TC need to go if shit don't change real quick. Otherwise the front office is just conceding defeat this season.
I actually don't think TC is really trying. He has a few paltry stats and that is trying? No the man is really just another Okafor. He goes through the motions. However Okafor at least accomplished more doing so. Just for TC to get Okafor type stats he would need to compete every game. The man does not have a lot of talent but he has enough to do more than he is.
I don't know how many games you've watched, but from my view he is. He just doesn't seem to be able to do the simple things. I think part of it is coming straight out of HS, and not playing at all really until he was with CP3
TheBeagle
12-22-2009, 12:46 AM
I don't know how many games you've watched, but from my view he is. He just doesn't seem to be able to do the simple things. I think part of it is coming straight out of HS, and not playing at all really until he was with CP3 Agree with this. However, his comment that BRNC brought up about the team not being good enough to point fingers has me flummoxed a bit to say the least. If you're constantly busting your ass, as GW does, and you notice teammates aren't doing likewise, you have every right to point fingers. Record be damned....it doesn't matter; it's a question of effort which Gerald brings up, not wins and losses. Whether your team is good or not in your eyes (and what kind of teammate, outside of a captain or superstar trying to motivate his teammates, tells the media his team is "not good") you are still accountable to your teammates for your level of play. I mean, really, does Chandler know who the hell he's talking to? He's named Crash for a reason, and has played through more injuries and come back from more than Chandler will ever know, and has NEVER used those as excuses for subpar play.
Tread lightly, Tyson Chandler.......tread lightly....:paddle:
BobCatsFanInTx
12-25-2009, 03:43 PM
I don't know how many games you've watched, but from my view he is. He just doesn't seem to be able to do the simple things. I think part of it is coming straight out of HS, and not playing at all really until he was with CP3Don't buy it teej. The man is already acting like a child because Crash called him out more or less. He should have that light a fire under his ass if you ask me. I think he looks more lost and uninterested than EO50 and I never thought that was possible. Personally I think the man is being as big a dick as Diaw. Some of you may think he is giving 100% effort most nights but I don't. I have watched enough games to tell that his biggest problem is not stupidity or him being a weak ass player his biggest obstacle is his lousy attitude. I know the man has some skills but he never really has shown them anywhere. Maybe a little taste of something good in New Orleans but the reality is he never was much there either. Why trade him if he is really what they NO needed. I was never a fan of Okafor's half ass go through the motions and not be involved in key situations play but TC is acting lazy and taking as many if not more plays off than EO50!!
We have a good group of guys on our team for the most part but a few rotten apples can spoil the bunch. If everybody is honest with themselves we know who our rotten apples are. TC putting out maybe 50% effort is not him trying. Just because Diaw is maybe playing 25 to 35% in the effort department does not somehow mean TC is really pushing himself.
TC is a better player than what the hell we have been seeing and to me his lack of consistent play has more to do with effort than him not having skills or being stupid.
You can see how Crashes words got better play out of him the last couple games. Maybe the man does have some injury issues but it seems odd he would not address them until being called out. All I know is it seems in the last five or six games the teams chemistry seems to have taken a hit for the worst. I think if everyone is happy and in good spirits we could have pretty frigging good season. Larry Brown is the legendary veteran coach so what happens to this team is on him and really not on the players. He has to get this team together and he has to start utilizing the talent he has on the team. Otherwise the great Oz needs to go next season.
Marvel
12-25-2009, 08:23 PM
Totally TOTALLY TOTALLY believe TC is being a BIG COCK about this whole Crash calling him out thing.I saw one of his post game interviews or something(as a Bobcat) and i've seen his post game interviews when he was in New Orleans........big difference his attitude,tone he basically mumbles the whole time and looks like he'd rather be at home fucking the wife than doing this interview for the stink Bobcats.The Bobcats TC is much different from New Orleans TC that's for sure
BETCATS
12-27-2009, 06:50 PM
Totally TOTALLY TOTALLY believe TC is being a BIG COCK about this whole Crash calling him out thing.I saw one of his post game interviews or something(as a Bobcat) and i've seen his post game interviews when he was in New Orleans........big difference his attitude,tone he basically mumbles the whole time and looks like he'd rather be at home fucking the wife than doing this interview for the stink Bobcats.The Bobcats TC is much different from New Orleans TC that's for sure
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I agree though. Its the same with Diaw. That's what happens when you take guys off of a winning team and ask them to work. Diaw tried to work last year, this year he has given up. As for Tyson, he looks like he is trying, but is frustrated things arent given to him anymore. I think Tyson might still work out for us, Diaw is done though. When you throw in the towel you cant go back.
ebrown
12-30-2009, 04:27 PM
I am just glad that I am no longer the only one that is befuddled by the play of Boris and TC. From the first game of the season I knew they were sucking a big fat one.
ALuhrs704
01-03-2010, 01:07 AM
Don't buy it teej. The man is already acting like a child because Crash called him out more or less. He should have that light a fire under his ass if you ask me. I think he looks more lost and uninterested than EO50 and I never thought that was possible. Personally I think the man is being as big a dick as Diaw. Some of you may think he is giving 100% effort most nights but I don't. I have watched enough games to tell that his biggest problem is not stupidity or him being a weak ass player his biggest obstacle is his lousy attitude. I know the man has some skills but he never really has shown them anywhere. Maybe a little taste of something good in New Orleans but the reality is he never was much there either. Why trade him if he is really what they NO needed. I was never a fan of Okafor's half ass go through the motions and not be involved in key situations play but TC is acting lazy and taking as many if not more plays off than EO50!!
We have a good group of guys on our team for the most part but a few rotten apples can spoil the bunch. If everybody is honest with themselves we know who our rotten apples are. TC putting out maybe 50% effort is not him trying. Just because Diaw is maybe playing 25 to 35% in the effort department does not somehow mean TC is really pushing himself.
TC is a better player than what the hell we have been seeing and to me his lack of consistent play has more to do with effort than him not having skills or being stupid.
You can see how Crashes words got better play out of him the last couple games. Maybe the man does have some injury issues but it seems odd he would not address them until being called out. All I know is it seems in the last five or six games the teams chemistry seems to have taken a hit for the worst. I think if everyone is happy and in good spirits we could have pretty frigging good season. Larry Brown is the legendary veteran coach so what happens to this team is on him and really not on the players. He has to get this team together and he has to start utilizing the talent he has on the team. Otherwise the great Oz needs to go next season.
You are an idiot if you even try to compare mek to chandler. and u saying the mek didnt play hard..... when did wallace or anyone else call out okafor? the only reason we got rid of mek is cuz Larry gets his way and now its blowing up in his face. Fans at the games need to extra boo chandler so this man will not steal money from us another season
spectre
01-03-2010, 06:35 AM
I'm pretty sure everyone agrees Okafor has more talent...but I thought this was pretty interesting:
"I don't see a lot of difference between Emeka and Tyson, really," concedes Gerald Wallace. "They're pretty much the same. I do think Emeka was a little more effective offensively than Tyson is right now, but their games are pretty similar other than that."
I don't think Crash thought a whole lot of Emeka...but maybe he was just being nice? Either way there were plenty of times that it certainly appeared he wasn't giving his best.
Walt Cronkite
01-03-2010, 01:43 PM
I know you weren't talking to me directly (so I'm not supposed to comment on something you wrote), but I don't understand how you can argue that Gerald Wallace doesn't think much of Emeka Okafor... especially from that quote. Do you have some other one that shines some light on your opinion? Seems like a pretty cut and dry mention of their abilities as basketball bigs, where they are pretty similar except for their offense.
Ghost Kat
01-03-2010, 02:45 PM
Didn't watch last nights game but the box score shows UPS did more in his time on the court then Diaw. What is it LB see's in Diaw's lazy ass that warrants 35 plus minutes a night? Especially when your back up puts out ten times more effort. LB is tanking our playoff hopes with Diaw.
Woodsy23
01-03-2010, 05:48 PM
Didn't watch last nights game but the box score shows UPS did more in his time on the court then Diaw. What is it LB see's in Diaw's lazy ass that warrants 35 plus minutes a night? Especially when your back up puts out ten times more effort. LB is tanking our playoff hopes with Diaw.
couldnt agree more, UPS was a legend when he came on with his 3 and 2 in the paint he turned the game around and then LB doesnt play again for the rest of the game? Derrick Brown must be thinking WTF can i do to get some regular minutes... and then we come to Hendo... Dont get me started! number 12 pick and i dont think hes had a combined 12 minutes this season!!!!!!!!! PISS TAKE!?
spectre
01-03-2010, 06:06 PM
I know you weren't talking to me directly (so I'm not supposed to comment on something you wrote), but I don't understand how you can argue that Gerald Wallace doesn't think much of Emeka Okafor... especially from that quote. Do you have some other one that shines some light on your opinion? Seems like a pretty cut and dry mention of their abilities as basketball bigs, where they are pretty similar except for their offense.
Seriously Walt...you know very well that I was referring to a post I might make that wasn't directed to you and was on a topic that you are determined to stay away from. We can be adults here right?
Do you think Emeka and TC are the same, or do you find TC somewhat lacking in talent in comparison? I do, and on both ends of the court. Even LB insinuated that we gave away the more talented player, but that TC can do things (i.e. guard perimeter bigs) that Emeka can't.
For Crash (and I also think Felton made some comment) to say they're basically the same AND not make any real comment about missing Emeka to me says something...especially when you hold up the article where Crash blamed himself and the rest of the team when we traded Raja. He showed a lot more remorse about moving a guy who hadn't been here a full season vs. one who'd been with him for 6 years.
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