Management has got to make a move

[dav7z]

Im getting pissed as is most other fans at Diop . All the negative talk forces Management to make a move ready or not . Because its about to affect the atendance as well as the fucture of the organization . A black eye one might say. I expect a patch at power foward no big move. No big move just somthing to make it look like management is addressing the problem. If we make a big move i hope we don;t get raped
This lose tonight will produce a even smaller croud monday night.

This is just a prediction im making on my own . But we will have a p/f by the end of next week. From the D league , a minor trade , or even a big move , I just hope we are careful and don't get raped again.

Will the Cats make a move by the end of next weak . Thoughts

[Toocool]

Rod has performed well thus far. I have trust in Rod to do great, as we have seen from the Jax trade, getting rid of the terrible Vlad Rad. We have four terrible players on this team, Diaw TC, Lexy and Diop. To a lesser extent Law, but I haven't seen much of him so I won't comment on him.. Lexy could improve, as could TC. However Diaw seems like he wants out. We should trade him away, he's not interested at all in the game and doesn't even bother to hustle back on fast breaks.

[Marvel]

Management are the ones who need to move

[TheBeagle]

No clue about what'll happen, dav, but with a starting lineup with Meow and Chandler in it, we're basically playing 3 on 5, which is killing the team, obviously. And then you look and there's no depth behind these guys......something needs to be done because this just isn't working and it has to be frustrating for GW, Jack,and Raymond to always be playing shorthanded. It really draining watching these guys play anymore....

[Keetch]

Interesting timing for this post. I was looking forward to going to Monday's Buck's game, but by the end of last nights game that energy was 100% gone.

For me it's Diaw, Graham and Murray though; just KILLING this team this year. It's becoming just too painful to watch, and I hate feeling that way.

Until some energy is restored, hopefully with Henderson and UPS, I can't watch anymore, even tho I enjoy the rest of the guys.

This is really reminding me of the McInnis days, watching certain players bury the hope for the season. What a terrible waste.

I'm not going to drive 90 miles each way to watch those 3 while getting abused by that GD PA screaming at me to cheer for them at the same time it drowns me out. Enough. This isn't the bball I love or entertaining at all.

[GoBobs]

I don't think there is a quick fix that is going to help this team. We have one great player Gerald Wallace. Everyone else has been pretty much up and down. I would love to see us get rid of flip and graham b/c I would rather watch guys play who will be a part of the team down the road.

If I was the gm I would try to trade jackson and get a little younger there. All we have to do with TC worst case is wait until his deal is up.

[Ghost Kat]

I don't think Stevie Graham cracker is doing that bad a job. Flip is up and down. Diaw sucks and Tyson plays like a little girl. Go paint that hurt toe pink you big baby. All three of our centers are garbage, We have no PF, and LB won't use his bench. It's not just theplayers, LB is coaching like he's back in NYC

[polarcat]

i agree with most of your points ck, except for the 3 sucky centers....nazzy is having a great year and is a sparkplug for this team. is he a starter on a contender? probably not, but he is our best center and if getting rid of the shit stains that are flip murray and boris diaw nets us a jj hickson or a solid pf that can hustle and cares, it will turn the rest of this team around. gforce, jax, and felts are bringing it every night and bums that like to hog the ball like flip and soft-pussy play like diaw are killing this team. i do agree that lb is using that short bench and veteran mentality which is just as much to blame. hendo, brown, dj and acie can contribute, but they are just keeping the bench warm...makes no sense.
:confused:

[superb1]

i agree there, i was wondering if the problem with DJ was that Flip is like his Jeff McInnis. Remember when Jeff was here, he stunk it up, and took PT from Felton. Hopefully DJ has come out of it.

Yes we need to trade Flip, Diaw and TC, Diop too if we can find a sucker that stupid. Even though Jax does get his pts., we can't have him and Flip taking as many shots as they take and less than half of them go down. Jax does what he does and what Diaw use to so why keep Diaw. I think ridding us of Flip, DJ could produce there like last year and this gives Acie and Hendo PT.

We are weak up front and it is showing, Gerald is top in rebounding and you got him getting banged up and these soft and lazy azz 4 and 5 barely putting out. Now I know the TC for Mek trade was bad and when we got Jax, we should have moved Diaw could he is whining about the ball not going through him. He must be whining for LB to state this, but things are working is not though. Jax and Felton moving the ball, Crash is scoring and getting boards. What is he doing.

Flip, Diaw and TC must go.

I suggest the TC for Collison and Krstic and Diaw and Flip for Harrington and Jordan Hill is a start.

[catsandheels]

The problem is it seems like larry would never trade diaw even though he sucks horribly. But that is probably our first biggest problem right now. Chandler being our next but we got nazr to back him up but he cant play the whole game. We need to trade for a pf that can play both f and center that is actually good and has height to play both unlike boris. Isnt Jax the same height as boris?? And i dont get what Lb is trying to do we drafted henderson in the first round and hes not even playing. Now i wish that we drafted tyler over him. We got 2 sgs in free agency that filled our hole at the 2 guard but now we got an even bigger problem at the 4. We need to try and trade one of our younger guys to a team thats trying to rebuild in return for a 4/5 who is athletic,tall, dosnt suck, and whos in shape. It seems augustin is getting back into the groove of things so thats good for us now all we need is to make tyson and boris suck less.

[ND22]

A move will be made. As bad as we are playing we are still right there in the playoff picture. We are a player or two away from separating ourselves from the teams "hoping" to make the playoffs to the teams "knowing" they are making the playoffs. We do need to get better on the road though 1-11 is atrocious.

[Ghost Kat]

Ok...Nazr isn't horrible and as a back up He fits. But Nazr gets most of his pts because he can catch. He's not a young pup and he shows his lack of speed. But the better Nazr looks to us only shows how bad the other two really are.

Nazr is playing good, Yes, But he looks better to us because his competition sucks so much

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o179/bucktown1999/congrats.jpg

[teej]

Cat, Nazr has one of the best PER's in the league. Better than any Cat's player. And he's at least trying, too.

We need Brandon Bass...

[Fred Williamson]

forget about Brandon Bass. We need a Brand/Boozer type PF

[teej]

forget about Brandon Bass. We need a Brand/Boozer type PF

Brand makes Diaw look good...

[Weezy21]

I suggest the TC for Collison and Krstic and Diaw and Flip for Harrington and Jordan Hill is a start.

definitly would be awesome to pull these 2 trades off but the trade with new york is highly unlikely.

1) new york doesnt want to take on salary, so why would they trade an expiring in harrington for diaw's extra year of $9million??

2) on top of all that, u think they are gunna part with jordan hill (aka their 1st round pick last year) already?

3) the only shot we got at pulling this trade off is d'antoni's connection with diaw

if higgins can pull this off i would be soo happy

[TheLegend]

Landry or Outlaw I would love to have but I doubt it...

[BETCATS]

Brand makes Diaw look good...
Are you crazy? Diaw had 3 points in 35 minutes, im guessing what you said was joke. He is playing like the worst starting power forward in the NBA. He just doesnt care anymore. Elton doesnt even have a role in the offense in Philly. The way they use him is simmular to how we used Emeka last year. I wish we could get him, i think he would be a great fit here.

Really, the only guys we could get right now are the type with giant contracts (like Brand) or the type nobody wants (like Jared Jeffries). Carl Landry is just a wet dream, we will never get him. Bass is also highly unlikely because he is in our division, the magic dont want anything blowing up in their face. Outlaw, maybe, but he is injured and we need results now.

[teej]

^It was a bit of hyperbole, yes, but I was trying to convey that I don't want that hurt, overpaid, fat bastard on our team.

[BETCATS]

^It was a bit of hyperbole, yes, but I was trying to convey that I don't want that hurt, overpaid, fat bastard on our team.
But he already is on our team. Boris Diaw is everything you just said. He is fat, he is overpaid, and he is hurt. But the 'hurt' is all in his head. I dont know why, but something inside of him that was their for us last year is gone. Physical injuries can heal, but Boris has emotinal ones that are much harder to deal with in a buisness enviorment like the NBA.

Brand would be an upgrade. Sure he has a big contract, but he earned it. I think Brand still has a lot left in the tank, and i think Charlotte is the exact type of system he could prove it. Yes, he has knee problems, but so do a lot of players. I think he is worth a shot. a Chandler(or Nazr)/Brand/Wallace/Jackson/Felton lineup doesnt sound good, or at least intresting to you?

[DCW]

I agree with Teej and HELL NO to Brand, I'll take a d-leaguer,bench warmer anything at the PF spot as long as he plays his ass off

[dunnlx]

Brand makes Diaw look good...

Diaw makes a blind monkey with one arm look good!!!!!!lol!!!!

[dunnlx]

^It was a bit of hyperbole, yes, but I was trying to convey that I don't want that hurt, overpaid, fat bastard on our team.
Not as SQUISHYYYY as Diaw!

[teej]

Sure, it's interesting. Sure, it'd be a great videogame lineup. But anyone who ever expected anything out of Sean May can tell you knee's don't get "fixed," ever. So I'll take two more years of Diaw at 9 mil instead of what, 4 more years of Brand at 16-20?

Gana hurts the team with his salary, think what Brand would do.

[Walt Cronkite]

Brand has had a ruptured achilles tendon and a shoulder injury... no need to worry about his "knee's" getting fixed.

[LiquidWayno]

Philly would have to take on Diaw & Diop and any other bad contract we have for me to be intersted in Brand. That's not gonna happen. I would rather have Emeka at the 4 than Brand, and that's saying something.

[dav7z]

Curry wants out of NY

Curry and Hill for Chandler.

Both contracts are the same year wize only Chandler makes a little more .
NY gives up Hill to getrid of Curry . In our system Curry might be a slight up grade over Chandler . Chandler would fit NYs system better all so .

Basicly its trash for trash . Only we get a first round pick in Hill to do it . We might have to through in a filler.

[Weezy21]

Curry and Hill for Chandler.

d'antoni likes diaw so would u go a step further?

Bobcats get- curry, harrington, jefferies, hill

Knicks get- tyson, diaw, dj, and graham

Jax an harrington are good friends and are reunited, plus we add a young PF in hill...i no yall dont like jefferies but it could be worse...tyson has wore out his welcome here just like curry has in NY, so we make the swap

what do ya think?

[teej]

d'antoni likes diaw so would u go a step further?

Bobcats get- curry, harrington, jefferies, hill

Knicks get- tyson, diaw, dj, and graham

Jax an harrington are good friends and are reunited, plus we add a young PF in hill...i no yall dont like jefferies but it could be worse...tyson has wore out his welcome here just like curry has in NY, so we make the swap

what do ya think?

Puts us over the lux tax, and gives NYK more salary next yr, so no.

Dav, maybe. In fact, why not.

[KT#20]

Why would NY do that? Curry for Chandler straight up is more plausible. Curry's a pretty awesome low post scorer, and we're a slow-paced team still in need of offense, so I would do it.

[BETCATS]

Why would NY do that? Curry for Chandler straight up is more plausible. Curry's a pretty awesome low post scorer, and we're a slow-paced team still in need of offense, so I would do it.

Curry? That would leave us with a Curry-Diaw front court....
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu210/iluvthekickz/Kotsen.gif
Thats basically 2 fat bastards 1 cup. Maybe if it was Boris for Curry i would like it. But NY wont be taking any long term contracts (by long term i mean anything other than an expiring) so Curry for Tyson wont happen.

HOWEVER with the D'Antoni ties, i wouldnt rule out a Boris for Curry swap. Here is a preview of our front court:
http://cache2.asset-cache.net/xc/85990343.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF1937219EE721E785E4A4284CF65751A3FA3 26FD13ED7B73D4BC


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:facepalm:

[catsandheels]

i think we need to give tc a few more games before we ship his glass self out of here. I dont think curry would be much of an upgrade over tyson. They both have injury problems. We should look for a atleast a little better than curry fir tc. We should try a tc/ hendo package see wat we can get.

[rsxnova]

I think Diop needs PT since we cant get rid of that contract. Idk who we should trade.

[KT#20]

We need Zach Randolph.

[teej]

We need Zach Randolph.

OMG yes. He's been beasting it in Memphis.

23/19/2/1/1 tonight.

Kick-ass

[Walt Cronkite]

I guess we could give up Wallace?? No one is going to give us a good player for someone we want to dump and we don't have draft picks.

[teej]

I guess we could give up Wallace?? No one is going to give us a good player for someone we want to dump and we don't have draft picks.

If they fade out near the deadline, maybe this?

DJ, Diaw, Acie and Flip for Z-Bo and Marcus Williams?

And then sign someone?

[Walt Cronkite]

If they fade out near the deadline, maybe this?

DJ, Diaw, Acie and Flip for Z-Bo and Marcus Williams?

And then sign someone?

Pipe dream... don't see why Memphis would trade Z-Bo regardless of if they fade near the deadline or not. He doesn't have a long term contract, Memphis doesn't need a pg and they aren't getting the best player in the deal.

[teej]

Pipe dream... don't see why Chris Wallace would trade Pau Gasol regardless of if they fade near the deadline or not. He doesn't have a long term contract, Memphis doesn't need a pg and they aren't getting the best player in the deal.

Sound familiar?

We're talking about the NBA's version of Santa.

[Walt Cronkite]

Ya never heard of Marc Gasol, eh??

[teej]

Ya never heard of Marc Gasol, eh??

Of course I have. But when that trade went down, Marc was nothing. That was pure luck.

[Walt Cronkite]

Gasol was a solid prospect, but yea, it worked out better than anyone could have imagined. Regardless, reports are the Wallace is really self conscious and apprehensions about transactions now because of how badly he was flamed in the Gasol trade... and Randolph isn't in the same situation. At the time, Gasol was in a long term deal with the Grizzlies and it was going no where for everyone. Gasol had a bunch of nagging injuries or a leg or foot injury, but it kept him out for a while and he couldn't/didn't want to get healthy. They had better talent options than the Laker deal, but none with better cap implications. Kwame was a large expiring, Crit was a prospect on a rookie deal, Gasol was an unsigned 2nd rounder and they got two firsts.

Not seeming so familiar now.

[SWedd523]

Sound familiar?

We're talking about the NBA's version of Santa.
Fair to say his brother Marc has been playing very well (15/10/2) and is much younger? They also got what became Donte Greene in the deal (who they later traded) and another first rounder next year. Not that bad of a deal

[teej]

Fair to say his brother Marc has been playing very well (15/10/2) and is much younger? They also got what became Donte Greene in the deal (who they later traded) and another first rounder next year. Not that bad of a deal

Except for at the time, there was no guarantee Marc would sign with them.

And Walt, I didn't know he even read about that. But drafting Thabeet shows he hasn't changed any.

[Walt Cronkite]

Except for at the time, there was no guarantee Marc would sign with them.

And Walt, I didn't know he even read about that. But drafting Thabeet shows he hasn't changed any.

I'm against the Thabeet pick, but he's been not-awful in limited minutes.

[teej]

I'm against the Thabeet pick, but he's been not-awful in limited minutes.

For a #2 pick, not awful isn't nearly good enough when they could've gotten Tyreke Evans or maybe even Rubio to play PG instead of Conley.

Think how good they'd be then.

[Walt Cronkite]

Championship

[GoBobs]

TC for Camby throw in a couple scrubs to make everything work

[DCW]

hows bout C Kaman the clipps got alot of bigs and i think he's averaging 20/10

[GOBOBCATS24]

I would love to get Kaman. Hes a great player and probably the most underrated center in the league. One thing I think the Cats need to do nis get involved in the TMAC trade. Because of his big money, there will be big players in this trade. We need to somehow snag a couple of good ones and get rid of diaw and chandler. I had my eyes on Tmac to NY, diaw and chandler to houston, harrington and lee to Charlotte. But that wont work money wise. Im sure something like that could be worked out but realgm didnt show me the salaries. I have my eyes set on harrington at PF but i just want actual big men that can contribute to this team. Harrington is another one of those heart and soul players that would fit right in. Sorry about so many words

[Ghost Kat]

Every trade seems to be a surprise. Tyson and Diaw are the major problems. I can live with Flip and his on and off games. but there's nothing coming from the 4 & 5 spot. Package both of them....Get them out before the allstar break

[Weezy21]

Package both of them....Get them out before the allstar break

but who in their right mind would take both??

[Weezy21]

ok i might have just answered my own question

Bobcats get- Curry, Harrington, Chandler, Collison, DJ White
Bobcats trade- Tyson, Diaw, DJ, Lexy

Knicks get- Diaw, DJ, Eton Thomas
Knicks trade- Curry, Harrington, Chandler, Hill

Thunder trade- Collison, Thomas, DJ White
Thunder get- Tyson, Lexy, Hill

Bobcats line-up:

C-Nazzy/Curry/Diop
PF- Harrington/Collison/White
SF- Wallace/UPS/Graham
SG- Jax/Chandler/Hendo
PG- Ray/Flip/Law

1) We basically swap tyson for curry an hope sumthin good comes out of it...couldnt get any worse..o an curry's contract is a little cheaper...bob will like that :biggrin:
2) Swap Diaw for Harrington...definitely a plus...o an did i mention, EXPIRING
3) Bye bye Lexy...hello collison an white
4) I like DJ and im gunnna miss him, but we have a log jam at pg, so we move him for a talented wilson chandler to back up Jax an Crash...an his contract is greattttttt for what we'd be getting

And before u say the knicks wont do it because they are adding salary, this is what these players will be making next year:

Diaw- $9 mill
DJ- $2.5 mill
Thomas- Expiring

as opposed to what they would be paying if they didnt make the trade:

Curry- $11.2 mill
Wilson Chandler- $2.1 mill
Hill- $2.6 mill
Harrington- Expiring

That means they are roughly saving an additional $4.4 mill

And as for the thunder, they might be adding some salary but they have tons of cap room an arent giving up much talent at all

[Fred Williamson]

I wouldn't touch any player from the Knicks with a 10-foot-pole. Besides Hill and Gallinari they are all a bunch of scrubs and chuckers. No thanks to this horrible trade.

Oh, and since when do we have a logjam at PG?

[dav7z]

ok i might have just answered my own question

Bobcats get- Curry, Harrington, Chandler, Collison, DJ White
Bobcats trade- Tyson, Diaw, DJ, Lexy

Knicks get- Diaw, DJ, Eton Thomas
Knicks trade- Curry, Harrington, Chandler, Hill

Thunder trade- Collison, Thomas, DJ White
Thunder get- Tyson, Lexy, Hill

Bobcats line-up:

C-Nazzy/Curry/Diop
PF- Harrington/Collison/White
SF- Wallace/UPS/Graham
SG- Jax/Chandler/Hendo
PG- Ray/Flip/Law

1) We basically swap tyson for curry an hope sumthin good comes out of it...couldnt get any worse..o an curry's contract is a little cheaper...bob will like that :biggrin:
2) Swap Diaw for Harrington...definitely a plus...o an did i mention, EXPIRING
3) Bye bye Lexy...hello collison an white
4) I like DJ and im gunnna miss him, but we have a log jam at pg, so we move him for a talented wilson chandler to back up Jax an Crash...an his contract is greattttttt for what we'd be getting

And before u say the knicks wont do it because they are adding salary, this is what these players will be making next year:

Diaw- $9 mill
DJ- $2.5 mill
Thomas- Expiring

as opposed to what they would be paying if they didnt make the trade:

Curry- $11.2 mill
Wilson Chandler- $2.1 mill
Hill- $2.6 mill
Harrington- Expiring

That means they are roughly saving an additional $4.4 mill

And as for the thunder, they might be adding some salary but they have tons of cap room an arent giving up much talent at all

I might do it but in mid year big time three way deals are hard to work out.
I expect management to put a bandaid on the problem .
I would expect somthing more like Chandler for Curry and Hill , or Chandler and Brown or UPS. It saves about three milion and put us closer in cap line next year .
To day is wensday i expected a move be for the end of the weak. Im think we make one last trade to put us in the playoffs . A lot hinges on Bob making the playoffs money wize. One last effort this year.

Who is the next forgoton Larry Brown player brought back to life.

[Scottley Crue]

I just saw this on TrueHoop via HoopsHype. While it does say it's more a hope than a foregone conclusion, it does mention that David West could be up for grabs (among others) if the Hornets are looking to get below the luxury tax. I know we don't have much in the way of expirings, but with the trade exception from the Jax deal, could we offer a lower salary back to help ease their tax burden?I personally think West would be the ideal PF for us. If there's a way to get him, I'd do all I could to get him here. That'd be a huge move.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/11841/tradenon-trade-were-big-deals-to-hornets

[Weezy21]

I wouldn't touch any player from the Knicks with a 10-foot-pole. Besides Hill and Gallinari they are all a bunch of scrubs and chuckers. No thanks to this horrible trade.

Oh, and since when do we have a logjam at PG?

1) diaw has given up on us! do u not see that?? so we upgrade to harrington who jax has a great friendship on the court and off already...al+jax+crash is better than smebody going thru the motions+jax+crash

2) tyson for curry is cheaper an we already no tyson cant work with us here...so y the hell not??

3) wilson chandler is a good player but i guess ur not into gettin players who avg. 14 points and 5 rebounds a game on a unbelievable contract...yea u right! what could i be thinking?

4) everybody has been begging to find a trade that moves tyson an diaw...here is one that is cheaper for us and brings back talent we can work with yet u call it a "horrible trade"? haha man ur over valuing tyson an diaw quite a bit

5) o an to answer the log jam question...ray/DJ/flip/law...do we really need 4?

[Ghost Kat]

I wouldn't touch any player from the Knicks with a 10-foot-pole.

Your a mean one Mr.Grinch

[Marvel]

1) diaw has given up on us! do u not see that?? so we upgrade to harrington who jax has a great friendship on the court and off already...al+jax+crash is better than smebody going thru the motions+jax+crash

2) tyson for curry is cheaper an we already no tyson cant work with us here...so y the hell not??

3) wilson chandler is a good player but i guess ur not into gettin players who avg. 14 points and 5 rebounds a game on a unbelievable contract...yea u right! what could i be thinking?

4) everybody has been begging to find a trade that moves tyson an diaw...here is one that is cheaper for us and brings back talent we can work with yet u call it a "horrible trade"? haha man ur over valuing tyson an diaw quite a bit

5) o an to answer the log jam question...ray/DJ/flip/law...do we really need 4?


Knicks would not trade for Diaw they intend on having as much cap space as possible to chuck at Bron and Wade

[GOBOBCATS24]

Well we can trade boris diaw for a player with his same style but much more talent and athleticism. David West. Realgm says the Hornets may be forced to trade him to stay out of luxery tax. If we could get him id be real happy. him, jamison, or harrington.

[teej]

Knicks would not trade for Diaw they intend on having as much cap space as possible to chuck at Bron and Wade

:facepalm:

Read the whole post...

[Marvel]

:facepalm:

Read the whole post...


didn't read....didn't read neh neh neh neh neh....regardless who the F wants Diaw and his contract runs a year longer than Eddy's

[teej]

didn't read....didn't read neh neh neh neh neh....regardless who the F wants Diaw and his contract runs a year longer than Eddy's

They both are not exprinings, so NY doesn't care as they get more money.

And D'Antoni loves Diaw as much as LB.

[SWedd523]

didn't read....didn't read neh neh neh neh neh....regardless who the F wants Diaw and his contract runs a year longer than Eddy's
Curry has a player option that he will most certainly opt for, which means him and Diaw have 2 years (including this one) left on their deal. Diaw makes 3 mil less. They'd rather have him

[Marvel]

Curry has a player option that he will most certainly opt for, which means him and Diaw have 2 years (including this one) left on their deal. Diaw makes 3 mil less. They'd rather have him


....really........ would they

[French_Cats]

Larry Brown should probably take that responsibility and Diaw trade I am too tired him with any player would do better than Diaw he will kill me soon

[Ampsportsduo]

There is no disputing that Diaw has been a disappointment, but I can't help but wonder if he would play better if he was given the reins to the second unit. This could be similar to his time in Phoenix when he would sulk behind Amare, but if Diaw moved to the 2nd unit, it would allow him to re-take his role as offensive initiator and free DJ up from so much responsibility allowing him to focus more on drilling shots and penetrating off ball movement, in other words making his life easier.

We've been focused on making a splashy trade, but perhaps bringing in a "lesser" PF that is a banger would be more beneficial. If Houston is open to trading either of their two that could fill this mold, I hope the Cats get in the mix.

[polarcat]

^^^^ j.j. hickson, please :bounce8:

[Scottley Crue]

There is no disputing that Diaw has been a disappointment, but I can't help but wonder if he would play better if he was given the reins to the second unit. This could be similar to his time in Phoenix when he would sulk behind Amare, but if Diaw moved to the 2nd unit, it would allow him to re-take his role as offensive initiator and free DJ up from so much responsibility allowing him to focus more on drilling shots and penetrating off ball movement, in other words making his life easier.

We've been focused on making a splashy trade, but perhaps bringing in a "lesser" PF that is a banger would be more beneficial. If Houston is open to trading either of their two that could fill this mold, I hope the Cats get in the mix.
This does make a lot of sense and is more probable than the big splash trade. I do believe Diaw could be a great addition to the 2nd unit. Since most of the starter's offense goes throuh Jax, this really does affect Diaw. Make him the focus of the 2nd unit? That could really work. If we do get a "lesser" PF without trading Diaw, it makes it easier to trade Diaw should his attitude go south. Ideally, I'd love to get David West, but this is a more likely option.

[BRNC]

Amp...I hate to throw ice-water on this but Diaw had his best year starting for the Suns (when Amare was injured) and the Suns offense goes through Nash..when Amare came back Diaw was back on the second unit and "sulking"...the guy has been (for lack of a better term) moody and up/down with his play since he came into the league...and because of that he has always been on my "players that are teases list"...

I can't tell you why he is like this...I don't know...I'd like to bring in a guy like N. Collison (steady vet...not a huge contract...solid player) and put Diaw with the second unit...but I'd bet the farm his play would not improve...it would scrape bottom...

[French_Cats]

With morning I saw a person on RealGm proposed to trade I'm falling in love to trade we must do it suits everyone with her we kill everyone




Char out: Chandler - Jackson - Diaw
Char in: McGrady - Beasley - Landry
:rkiss0::clapping:


Hou out: McGrady - Landry - Lowry
Hou in: Chandler - Diaw - Chalmers - Wright

Houston has a great need to replace Yao, chandler would be good for them


Mia out: Beasley - Chalmers - Wright
Mia in: Jackson - Lowry


Dwyane Wade had a reinforcement of weight with jackson



I is not her and if all possible :g: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine

[spectre]

Miami would be trading a 2nd overall pick, their surprise 2nd rounder who has started a lot of games for them in Chalmers and an expiring in Wright for Jackson (who GSW could barely give away) and Lowry.

Jax has little value. You have to look at that fat new contract and put it beside his production.

[spectre]

I didn't realize how good Landry has done this year:

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/carl_landry/index.html

I actually think the deal is worse for Houston. McGrady is one huge expiring...they're not going to take crap for that. On Hoopshype they're saying a trade would be based around Iggy if Philly is involved.

Bet we end up doing something for Brand.

[GoBobs]

Landry is almost so good he is untouchable. Not enough for the rockets. They will want talent, expiring contracts and or picks just for T-mac. They are not throwing in young talent unless they get one of the Chris's. I would do TC, Jackson, and Naz for Tracy, Joey Dorsey and Pops Mensah-Bonsu. The rockets get a chance to be good right now and we get cap space next summer. Chances are the rockets won't do the deal b/c they would rather have cap space next summer.
(http://hoopshype.com/players/pops_mensah_bonsu.htm)

[Fred Williamson]

Landry is almost so good he is untouchable. Not enough for the rockets. They will want talent, expiring contracts and or picks just for T-mac. They are not throwing in young talent unless they get one of the Chris's. I would do TC, Jackson, and Naz for Tracy, Joey Dorsey and Pops Mensah-Bonsu. The rockets get a chance to be good right now and we get cap space next summer. Chances are the rockets won't do the deal b/c they would rather have cap space next summer.
(http://hoopshype.com/players/pops_mensah_bonsu.htm)

And who plays center for us?

[Marvel]

I didn't realize how good Landry has done this year:


He has people talking about 6th man of the year........and he is THAT good

[Weezy21]

Knicks would not trade for Diaw they intend on having as much cap space as possible to chuck at Bron and Wade

did u not read what i wrote???? i know they wont make a move if they are adding salary...which is exactly why they would be SAVING...yes read that again...SAVING $4.4 million if they made the trade i proposed

[Weezy21]

Hou out: McGrady - Landry - Lowry
Hou in: Chandler - Diaw - Chalmers - Wright


houston would never make this trade...chandler and diaw?? haha naw...chuck hayes is playing really good at center this year, so they dont need chandler, especially with his salary...plus like others have said, landry is far more valuable then diaw

[Marvel]

did u not read what i wrote???? i know they wont make a move if they are adding salary...which is exactly why they would be SAVING...yes read that again...SAVING $4.4 million if they made the trade i proposed


F what you wrote...........Curry is a bum and is even worse than Diaw i don't care what the cap implications are,not to mention we're going to have Flip (can't run the pg role for shit,say hello to turnover heaven) and Law:facepalm: backing up Felton.

[GoBobs]

And who plays center for us?

Diop and Lexy.......Diaw when we go small or UPS

[teej]

F what you wrote...........

Not called for.

Weezy had a legitimate idea, and he was just refuting your first try to make it look bad.

[BETCATS]

Bet we end up doing something for Brand.
Bet it ends up working out for us.

[spectre]

Bet it ends up working out for us.

I'd be all for it (assuming we don't give up a lot) if it wasn't for that contract.

[spectre]

http://www.nba.com/2010/news/01/01/wizards.arenas/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt2


The new investigation also has put any notion of trade talks between Washington, which is resigned to performing radical surgery on its roster and is now willing to trade anyone -- including Arenas, Caron Butler and Antawn Jamison

Let's go after Jamison.

DJ/Henderson/Boris for Jamison/Young. According to Hollinger on the trade machine that would net us 7 more wins.

[GOBOBCATS24]

at this point most people around the league look at Diaw as a good player. We don't need to give up dj, Hendo, AND boris for jamison and then bury a great "Young" player on the bench. I saw a wizards fan propose a pretty decent swap of Diaw for Jamison almost straight up i believe. We can't under value Diaw hes just a huge buttnugget this year

[spectre]

If we could do it for less I'd of course do it, but I think the league certainly knows Boris is sucking. He had a reputation before he came to Charlotte as not being worth near what his contract is paying him and I doubt a half season has changed that.

Besides, Jamison has a PER of almost 19...Boris' PER is a stellar 10.6. If you were the Wiz would you do that swap straight up or would you want some incentive?

[Chef]

http://www.nba.com/2010/news/01/01/wizards.arenas/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt2



Let's go after Jamison.

DJ/Henderson/Boris for Jamison/Young. According to Hollinger on the trade machine that would net us 7 more wins.

in light of the recent news, how about diop, boris and chandler for arenas, blatche, haywood and 14 bullet proof vests. and of course the whole deal hinges on jax and arenas only being able to see/speak to each other at practice or games.

[BRNC]

How about we do nothing with the Wizards...Jamison plays little to no defense and will not fit with Crash, Ray, and Jax...he is a "black hole" when he is passed the ball...just will not work "real world"...

Yes...Diaw sucks...and there were a couple of us that sais "he sucks" when the trade was made...everybody jumped on his "wagon" for the great player and steal he was...I get it and don't blame anyone for going there...the guy is a "classic tease" period...but we have his over-payed ass to deal with also...and

Why the heck after Atl. Suns, and now us would any other team in the league not see Diaw for what he is...and anyone that thinks D'Antoni has such a love for this guy...he is the one that put him back as a "role-player" when Amare got hurt...

Why would anyone think that we could get anything better than "dog-crap" for this clown now?

LB put our asses (as an organization) with his "man-crush" crap trades...so live with it...it seems that MJ and Rod (thank goodness they have not given in to another "crap" LB trade) are making LB do just that...

...and trading Diaw...it will get to the point that it is "obvious" to LB that there is no interest in the league for this clown (Diaw)...he has lost respect from the three tough guys Crash, Jax, and Ray) and he'll start to actually coach to win games...not force trades...

...that or MJ and Rod tell him he is VDN so they get his attention...either way we are screwed and have been screwed by the HOF coach Larry Brown...

Enjoy...I know I'm not but said I never wanted it...

[teej]

14 bullet proof vests.

:biggrin:

But if we had to get any of them, I'd still want Jamison. I think he'd do even better in his hometown with all the UNC connections. But maybe that's just me.

[Marvel]

Not called for.

Weezy had a legitimate idea, and he was just refuting your first try to make it look bad.


.......legitimate idea ok......doesn't mean i have to agree with it or like it or wipe my ass with it.I did read the post and ok i admit i missed the part about the Knicks saving $4 mil but as soon as i saw Eddy Curry i skipped to the next post.I wouldn't touch that guy with a 10 foot pole know what i mean.

[Weezy21]

.......legitimate idea ok......doesn't mean i have to agree with it or like it or wipe my ass with it.I did read the post and ok i admit i missed the part about the Knicks saving $4 mil but as soon as i saw Eddy Curry i skipped to the next post.I wouldn't touch that guy with a 10 foot pole know what i mean.

i agree...i didnt expect everybody to like the trade...just trying to figure out a way to move diaw an chandler in the same move...but marvel lemme ask u this:

if crash an jax are already publicly calling out tyson an diaw, then dont u think we should move them for guys they can coexist with?? right now, besides diop, most people would agree that tyson, diaw, an lexy have the lowest value on our team...so do u honestly think

tyson/diaw/dj/lexy>>>curry/harrington(expiring)/collison/wilson chandler/dj white?...thats the last thing il ask u

[Marvel]

i agree...i didnt expect everybody to like the trade...just trying to figure out a way to move diaw an chandler in the same move...but marvel lemme ask u this:

if crash an jax are already publicly calling out tyson an diaw, then dont u think we should move them for guys they can coexist with?? right now, besides diop, most people would agree that tyson, diaw, an lexy have the lowest value on our team...so do u honestly think

tyson/diaw/dj/lexy>>>curry/harrington(expiring)/collison/wilson chandler/dj white?...thats the last thing il ask u


Too many pfs there.........

[ELEVATION]

How about a trade to get Antwan Jamison..
The Wizards are a mess right now, especially with the gun incident with Arenas. Jamison has commented about the team various times with disappointment, with complaints about the team being selfish and the coach having no control over the team..he even had a meeting with the gm about getting out of Washington.
I think he would be a great addition.he'll give a solid 20 ppg
I know his contract is alot, but if we are able to move the right pieces I think it's possible..plus with Arenas out they might take the trade if D.J. Aug is involved..
what do u guys think?..any possible trade scenarios?

[Woodsy23]

How about a trade to get Antwan Jamison..
The Wizards are a mess right now, especially with the gun incident with Arenas. Jamison has commented about the team various times with disappointment, with complaints about the team being selfish and the coach having no control over the team..he even had a meeting with the gm about getting out of Washington.
I think he would be a great addition.he'll give a solid 20 ppg
I know his contract is alot, but if we are able to move the right pieces I think it's possible..plus with Arenas out they might take the trade if D.J. Aug is involved..
what do u guys think?..any possible trade scenarios?

:g: i cant bring myself to accept a trade that involves dj... i think he has a good future and i want him here, he's one of the few young guys we have here who has shown some talent and i reckon we'd end up regretting it if we got rid of him, im a DJ fan though so maybe im biast ;)

[French_Cats]

I also love many DJ but I want absolutely jamison we can offer other players except DJ Crash, felton , Jamison does not stay with a thug like arenas ...

[Weezy21]

How about a trade to get Antwan Jamison..


looks like wizards might not be dealing until this gun situation is investigated

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/63771/20100102/investigation_puts_wizards_trade_talks_on_hold/

[teej]

That probably is just with Arenas and Crittenton.

What about: Boris, Flip, and two future 2nds for Jamison and McGuire?

[GoBobs]

I am not sold on trading diaw. I agree he is playing bad now but I see flashes of his former self. I think later in the year he could be quite a bit better. If he ever got his fat ass in shape he would be a superstar. The right move is to trade Tyson, Naz, and Jack for cap space/young assets that can put us over the top when we make our run.

If we can't get cap room for next year to make a run at Lebron/D-Wade/Bosh/J Johnson. We can have the cap room the next year to go after Durrant.

If they love Hendo so much we should be looking to move jack for sure. I want to know why he sits on the bench all the time if we love him so much though.

[ALuhrs704]

i dont see us trading jax. not this year. not next year.

[spectre]

http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports_basketball_heat/2010/01/bobcats-107-heat-97.html


The Bobcats remain in the market for a power forward, with Haslem the type of player that intrigues Charlotte's Brown. Point guard D.J. Augustin likely would be available in return.

I don't see that as really being feasible. Miami is ALL about capspace and we don't have expirings to get the salaries to work. I could definitely see LB loving a guy like Haslem.

[BRNC]

...and I do not see the Heat or Bobcats Front Offices doing anything to help each other...

[Fred Williamson]

DJ is not available. If you don't believe me, go ask MJ

[spectre]

...and I do not see the Heat or Bobcats Front Offices doing anything to help each other...

Tho I agree we do seem to make most deals with western conference teams...I don't think we are in a position to worry too much about that at this point. With the threat of NY picking up 2 max FAs this summer acquiring DJ could make them even more potent than Miami.

Of course a DJ/Flash pairing could be pretty lethal. Flash would be the oversized PG and that would allow DJ to play the SG w/ handles role which he seems more suited.

Regardless, I don't see a workable deal.

[Weezy21]

here's a 2 trade idea...revisiting an earlier trade thought with the thunder...the 2nd trade is only if arenas an crittenton gets suspended or contracts are voided

Trade 1

Tyson & 2nd rounder for Collison and Krstic

Trade 2

Bobcats get- Kaman & Jamison...we get big time upgrades in the front court

Clippers get- Butler, Nazy & Oberto...gets a good SF and thats the missing position in their offense...with griffen coming back, can move camby to center. when griffen's on the bench, have camby at the 4 with nazy at the 5

Wizards get- Diaw, DJ, UPS, Al Thorton, Ricky Davis...starting fresh with some nice young talent and sheds A LOT of salary!

ok this is looking more like a pipe dream now that i've read over this trade again...o well...it would be awesome!

[BRNC]

weezy...we'd be lucky to get Collison from OKC...they will not trade both those guys though...but I kinda doubt (now) that OKC will do any trades since they are playing well and will have cap space this off season...

We need a banger type (all-around) PF to push Diaw and I'd like to have Collison myself but I doubt (without giving up a player we'd rather not give) we can get him...

I'd hate to be Rod right now...all we have (to trade) is AC, Hulk, and Flip...the fact they are all three expiring contracts make them somewhat attractive but only for teams wanting to save a little money...and I doubt we trade Flip...so that leaves about 3 million (AC and Hulk) to get a PF that can actually push Diaw...not saying it can't happen but it will be tough...

I know many people can/will say we could package TC and/or Diaw...but be honest...what real value do either have (at this point) other than bringing back a contract that is worse than theirs...:facepalm:

...as for the other trade (three way) I'd be more than a little relucktant to trade UPS ,since we have so little young talent, and MJ does not want to trade DJ, and I get that since Ray might walk this off season, so we have very little to actually make a trade with at this point...

[French_Cats]

Just trade diaw plz thank you

[BRNC]

Just trade diaw plz thank you

We'd like to...at the moment he has little-to-no value...

[teej]

What's Haslem's salary? I'd like him around.

Maybe Flip+Graham+DJ for Haslem + a backup pg?

[CatNation]

acie for hilton armstrong

get someone we could use for someone we have no need for. and id love to have a backup pf so i could see what derrick could do not playing out of position. i think he would really blow up

[SWedd523]

I still don't understand how Derrick is undersized for the 4 spot. He's listed as 6'8 227 and Doris Meow is listed as 6'8 235 so...................... ?

[jazzer89]

To me the way this team is constructed we are a playoff team. And i dont know about the rest of you Nazr backed by Diop has been our best center duo in a long time. if there was some way to get rid of Chandler for a PF i would do it.

Chandler is who i would trade, and maybe flip murray but other than that the team is playing good ball. If we cut down on the damn TO's we could be great.

[Woodsy23]

I still don't understand how Derrick is undersized for the 4 spot. He's listed as 6'8 227 and Doris Meow is listed as 6'8 235 so...................... ?

i agree with you and ive always thought he should play there but tbh it doesnt matter because LB will never give him consistant minutes so its not worth arguing about :rolleyes::cool:

[Ghost Kat]

I think we can all agree Derrick Brown is a miniature beast.

[DirtyU11]

Here's a few trades while the topic is on (none of these are really well thought out so be the judge to see if they're realistic for both sides please and beneficial)

Cha - Diaw and Diop for Philly - Brand

big contracts for bigger contract but maybe a chance we get a reliable post scorer if he can stay healthy

Cha- Chandler, Jax, Law For Hou - Tmac and Dorsey

Cant be done til Jan 16 dont think this one is good enough for Houston to take as they want talent but the contracts they are getting are too much. a possibility non the less

Cha - Diaw for GS - B.Wright, Claxton

Get rid of Diaw, save some money, get a replacement PF, and Diaw fits into the run and gun system that is GS

Cha - Chandler and DJ for Lac - Kaman and Telfair

Have to give up something to get a serviceable big man not my favorite trade

Cha - Diaw and Law for Ind - Murphy Jan 16 or after

Get an actual big man who man has range and can rebound

Cha - Diaw, Murray, Law for Was - Jamison and Stevenson Jan 16 or after

Get rid of Diaw and get scoring Was saves a few dollars this year and about 3 mill next year im thinking they could find a better deal though

Personally i like the first trade the best thoughts??

[Slam]

acie for hilton armstrong

get someone we could use for someone we have no need for. and id love to have a backup pf so i could see what derrick could do not playing out of position. i think he would really blow up
Wish I had thought of that.

:confused2:

[BRNC]

The teams that are desperate (think Wizards) and calling all other teams put themselves between a rock and a hard place (as we all know)...thankfully we are not doing that this year...

I hate to say this (since I never wanted him here and would love to see him go) but I don't see how we can trade Meow or TC (aka Mr. Glass)...all we'd do is get screwed...

I still think our best chance is put some combo of the three expiring contracts (Hulk, AC, and Flip) to get a legit back-up PF...I'm still looking at the teams slightly over (like the Heat) but guys like Haslem (7.1 million) make too much for what we have to offer...and I think we have to guarantee "Hulk" after Wednesday (someone correct me if I'm wrong) so he actually has more value before then...

We have a good team and I'm just hoping Rod can pull off a solid trade that helps and does not hurt...but as for "Meow" and "Glass"...I think we're stuck with them unless we take a real crap contract back...and I'm not for that...

I think we have a playoff team (despite LB, "Meow", and "Glass")...we have some tough players that want to win this year and I do I confidence in those (three)...and we have other guys coming off the bench and actually doing their jobs...now the FO needs to make LB do his...

[BRNC]

Well...I got Sheridan to answer a question for me...his "chat" is going on now...


Larry (NC)



Good afternoon...are you hearing about trades that might bring a back-up PF to my Bobcats...thanks for your time...
Chris Sheridan (1:03 PM)




There are plenty of teams that would dewal a PF for Boris Diaw, but the problem is that Diaw has been killing his on value with that lifeless December he had. The Nets are peddling guys like Simmons, Najera, Boone and Battie, and Battie would seem to be the most do-able since he is on an expiring contract, but him alone is certainly not enough to get a Diaw deal done, and J isn;t dangling any of its young keepers on rookie contracts (T.WIlliams, CDR) until the sale to Prokorov is or isn't approved.

[SWedd523]

and J isn;t dangling any of its young keepers on rookie contracts (T.WIlliams, CDR) until the sale to Prokorov is or isn't approved.


Hendo/Williams/UPS our future 2,3,4? Don't tease me

[BRNC]

Hendo/Williams/UPS our future 2,3,4? Don't tease me

Swedd...Sheridan did not exactly answer my question...I have no idea why he brought up Diaw (unless he is hearing rumors) since I did not...but he is hearing about all the guys the Nets are willing to trade...one or two of them would be OK back ups...possibly push Meow to play a little better...and we do have our three expiring contracts (any combo) and I'd be willing to take an expiring back up type PF for a combo...say like Hulk and AC...it is probably the best we can do at this point...and he is correct that Meow has made himself virtually worthless for any trade value...

[Ghost Kat]

he is correct that Meow has made himself virtually worthless for any trade value...

I hate Boris. But if LB see's that he's worthless WTF is he still playing him big minutes for?

Larry Brown is tanking our playoff hopes :facepalm:

[BRNC]

Kat...we're in a rock/hard place with Meow...you sit him he has no value...you play him (and hope) he plays out of it so he has some value...at some point (soon I hope) LB keeps him off the floor in the 4th quarter (at least) so we at least have a solid chance...but his value will only increase if (and that's a big if) he starts playing better....

[spectre]

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=973767


I asked Alex kennedy (Kennedy works for the Magic at Hoopsworld) a question about a trade with Charlotte,and he said earlier in the year that Charlotte would be interested in a Bass for Augustine swap.I know a lot of people have been saying we need a young pg to back up Jameer,and since we are not playing Bass would you guys make this trade?

Bass,AJ for Augustine,Ajinca


The trade was the poster's idea.

[Fred Williamson]

No.

And can someone please explain to me, what's so special about Brandon Bass? He's just one of those undersized power forwards, who neither have a shot or a simple post move in their arsenal. You can find a plenty of those guys in the D-league or as benchwarmers on other teams (Hilton Armstrong). Furthermore, Bass barely sees minutes under SVG and is known to have zero BBall IQ.

You don't trade a 21year old lottery pick, who could be our next year's starting PG, in case Felton doesn't resign, for a benchwarmer who only gets minutes in a blowout win.

[DCW]

I agree, why do some people find Bass so special?

[BRNC]

I found this this AM...apparently the Nets have been trying to trade J. Boone to Denver for Hulks brothers' non-guaranteed contract but talks have fallen through...

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Ao.aWrKv8e91eHcomJtk4c.8vLYF?slug=mc-jazznotes010410&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

I still think patience may be a winner for us in the trade process...but in this particular case Hulk (correct me if I'm wrong) has to be guaranteed tomorrow so to pull this deal (with the Nets) it would have to happen today...

[spectre]

Ugh Josh Boone. Guess he's better than nothing.

In regards to Bass...you guys know he has a PER this year of 17.6, and his lowest in the last 3 years was 15.9 right? That's higher than Jax and is comparable with Crash's 17.9. He also has a high efficiency rate of 0.56 (Crash=0.49, Jax=0.44) as well as a very good true shooting % of 0.58 (Crash=0.56, Jax=0.50).

He has a great midrange offensive game. He's a middling rebounder...but I think he would EASILY take over the starting PF position on our team.

[Chef]

let's pretend we make a trade for a legit pf. of the available guys or rumored available which of these would you rather have and why

char out: diaw, dj, aa, 2 2nds
char in: jamison, foye

char out: diaw, henderson, brown, aa, better 2nd
char in: west, posey

[BRNC]

chef...the biggest knock on the Wizards players is none of these guys wants to play "D"...

West would be fine with me but NO will not give him away...I doubt we are a good trade partner for them...but I like West...

[Fred Williamson]

Ugh Josh Boone. Guess he's better than nothing.

In regards to Bass...you guys know he has a PER this year of 17.6, and his lowest in the last 3 years was 15.9 right? That's higher than Jax and is comparable with Crash's 17.9. He also has a high efficiency rate of 0.56 (Crash=0.49, Jax=0.44) as well as a very good true shooting % of 0.58 (Crash=0.56, Jax=0.50).

He has a great midrange offensive game. He's a middling rebounder...but I think he would EASILY take over the starting PF position on our team.

Still, you don't trade someone like DJ for him

[BRNC]

I'm not at all interested in Bass (from all I've read about the guy)...and I'm only interested in a player like Boone if we get him cheap...and "Hulk" (IMO) would be very cheap...:biggrin:

[dav7z]

OUT
TC, 11,850 --- 12750
Boris 9000-- 9000--9000
Law 2216 - expiring
Henderson-- 1957.
Graham -- 900k

IN

Boozer--12657 expiring
AK47--- 16541--- 17800

Reason for the Jazz they cut over 4 molion off this years cap . That saves them over 8 milion this year .
They rid them self of the contract of AK47
They pick up a solid back up power foward
They pick up a rookie contract lotery pick in Henderson
They all so get two expirings

Reason we do it
Boozer takes us deep into the playoffs this year ,
AK47 A scoring machine off the beanch
We get rid of truble in Chandler
In two years we clear up over 28 milion in cap space with out loseing any core pieces.


Boozers 12 milion helps sign Felton next year and leaves enough to get a solid Power foward. Or we could resign Boozer ?
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=ApA1IhTqDpFvlnFDxW54TsO8vLYF?slug=mc-jazznotes010410&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
thoughts

[Weezy21]

let's pretend we make a trade for a legit pf. of the available guys or rumored available which of these would you rather have and why

char out: diaw, dj, aa, 2 2nds
char in: jamison, foye

char out: diaw, henderson, brown, aa, better 2nd
char in: west, posey

i rather have west because he's much younger and hes cheaper...but im not to big on losing henderson and UPS, so i would prolly pull off ur first trade first....but still im not all that happy cuz jamison doesnt play very good defense

[Weezy21]

How bout a trade like this:

Bobcats get- West, Peterson, Ollie
Bobcats trade- Diaw, Henderson, lexy

Thunder gets- Okafor, Songaila, lexy
Thunder trade- Thomas, Krstic, Ollie, 1st rounder

Hornets get- Diaw, Henderson, Thomas, Krstic, Thunder 1st rounder
Hornets trade- West, Okafor, Peterson, Songaila

We get rid of diaw an lexy, who havent done jack for us, but we do part with henderson (its either him or UPS)...i think UPS has more potential, plus we need to keep all the PFs we have....but in return we get West! our PF for the future...also hornets have been looking to ship out peterson, so they'd love to find a taker

"New Orleans Hornets veteran shooting guard Morris Peterson has been out of the rotation since Jeff Bower took over coaching duties for Byron Scott last month, and his future with the franchise is uncertain because he could be traded before next month's deadline."

New Orleans Times-Picayune

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/140570

And all over realgm, thunder fans have been trying to find a trade that will land them either okafor, kaman, or bogut....and they dont have to give up much to get okafor except a first

Like i said, hornets find a taker for their bad salaries...now they have room and two 1st rounders to build around cp3

[Chef]

chef...the biggest knock on the Wizards players is none of these guys wants to play "D"...

West would be fine with me but NO will not give him away...I doubt we are a good trade partner for them...but I like West...

do they not play d because they aren't asked? i think lb could get jamison to at least play some d. he won't turn into a stopper, but that is what nazr and diop would be for. 12 fouls to help out.

[spectre]

let's pretend we make a trade for a legit pf. of the available guys or rumored available which of these would you rather have and why

char out: diaw, dj, aa, 2 2nds
char in: jamison, foye

char out: diaw, henderson, brown, aa, better 2nd
char in: west, posey

I'd take the first deal. Posey is in steady decline and I imagine he'll become yet another albotross contract.

Is Jamison's D worse than Boris'?

Speaking of which...we all think Gana's more a negative because of his salary. Where would we be right now without him with TC looking like he'll never be fully healthy?


Still, you don't trade someone like DJ for him

I like DJ, but you obviously value him more than I do. The way I look at it a starting PF trumps a backup PG...and this PF would bring exactly what we need with his midrange offense.

Next year is problematic as we could end up having no PG on the roster...but as it's been put to me a few times guys like Earl Watson & Luke Ridnour could easily replace Felton. If that's the case then PG shouldn't be an issue next year.


I'm not at all interested in Bass (from all I've read about the guy)...and I'm only interested in a player like Boone if we get him cheap...and "Hulk" (IMO) would be very cheap...:biggrin:

What have you heard negatively about Bass where you wouldn't want his production? Maybe I'm wrong about the guy?


OUT
TC, 11,850 --- 12750
Boris 9000-- 9000--9000
Law 2216 - expiring
Henderson-- 1957.
Graham -- 900k

IN

Boozer--12657 expiring
AK47--- 16541--- 17800

Reason for the Jazz they cut over 4 molion off this years cap . That saves them over 8 milion this year .
They rid them self of the contract of AK47
They pick up a solid back up power foward
They pick up a rookie contract lotery pick in Henderson
They all so get two expirings

Reason we do it
Boozer takes us deep into the playoffs this year ,
AK47 A scoring machine off the beanch
We get rid of truble in Chandler
In two years we clear up over 28 milion in cap space with out loseing any core pieces.


Boozers 12 milion helps sign Felton next year and leaves enough to get a solid Power foward. Or we could resign Boozer ?
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=ApA1IhTqDpFvlnFDxW54TsO8vLYF?slug=mc-jazznotes010410&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
thoughts

Dav if we take on 4 million this season then that puts us into the Luxury Tax. I like how you're looking beyond that, but I don't know that Johnson will. Remember that's supposedly their "hard line".


How bout a trade like this:

Bobcats get- West, Peterson, Ollie
Bobcats trade- Diaw, Henderson, lexy

Thunder gets- Okafor, Songaila, lexy
Thunder trade- Thomas, Krstic, Ollie, 1st rounder

Hornets get- Diaw, Henderson, Thomas, Krstic, Thunder 1st rounder
Hornets trade- West, Okafor, Peterson, Songaila

We get rid of diaw an lexy, who havent done jack for us, but we do part with henderson (its either him or UPS)...i think UPS has more potential, plus we need to keep all the PFs we have....but in return we get West! our PF for the future...also hornets have been looking to ship out peterson, so they'd love to find a taker

"New Orleans Hornets veteran shooting guard Morris Peterson has been out of the rotation since Jeff Bower took over coaching duties for Byron Scott last month, and his future with the franchise is uncertain because he could be traded before next month's deadline."

New Orleans Times-Picayune

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/140570

And all over realgm, thunder fans have been trying to find a trade that will land them either okafor, kaman, or bogut....and they dont have to give up much to get okafor except a first

Like i said, hornets find a taker for their bad salaries...now they have room and two 1st rounders to build around cp3

I like that...good job!

What's the salary implications? NOLA has to lose salary this season as that's their prime motivation, and we have to stay below the LT.

[Slam]

I don't think that Bass's mid range offense would bring exactly what we need at all.
We need a post scorer IMO - and Bass aint that.

[spectre]

I don't think that Bass's mid range offense would bring exactly what we need at all.
We need a post scorer IMO - and Bass aint that.

I don't think we have any bigs that can consistently hit a midrange shot...so adding that to our offensive arsenal would certainly help...and esp. at the cost.

What post player could we possibly get for 4 million per year?

[WarioVsMooChicken]

Nazr and Diaw are both bigs that can hit the mid pretty well.

[teej]

What post player could we possibly get for 4 million per year?

One's that's dumb as shit. Like oh, Brandon Bass's limited IQ

What about Big Baby? Would Boston trade him?

And I'd do the Jamison trade, Foye's solid. But I think we could get him for less.

But I'd do the West + Peterson trade first.

[spectre]

Nazr and Diaw are both bigs that can hit the mid pretty well.

Nazr seems to me to be either around the free throw line or pretty close in...but I'll agree that he has been hitting some midrange shots more consistently.

Boris CAN...but he hasn't been.

Y'all need to explain to me why Bass is not worth wanting. Very productive, only 24 years old and cheap. What's not to like?


One's that's dumb as shit. Like oh, Brandon Bass's limited IQ

Now I'll agree if he has a limited IQ...but even then at 4 million he'd be worth having. I'll dig around some and see if I can find anything on that.

[spectre]

OK, someone help me out here; I've been looking for a while and I've not run across one instance that says Bass has a low BBIQ. Maybe I'm just missing it.

One thing I have seen to describe Bass is "beast" and "banger". Who at the 4 do we currently have that would fit that description?

[amour217]

One thing I have seen to describe Bass is "beast" and "banger". Who at the 4 do we currently have that would fit that description?

The only person we have remotely close is that one dancer that looks like Worf

[Slam]

OK, someone help me out here; I've been looking for a while and I've not run across one instance that says Bass has a low BBIQ. Maybe I'm just missing it.

One thing I have seen to describe Bass is "beast" and "banger". Who at the 4 do we currently have that would fit that description?
I'd rather Joey Dorsey if that's the type you are looking for.

Maybe even Pops.

But I would rather trade Acie for Armstrong out of all of them.

[BRNC]

OK, someone help me out here; I've been looking for a while and I've not run across one instance that says Bass has a low BBIQ. Maybe I'm just missing it.

One thing I have seen to describe Bass is "beast" and "banger". Who at the 4 do we currently have that would fit that description?

spectre...I know I posted that I had read (some time in the last week) one sentence about Bass...if I had to I could probably find it but the paraphrase (and it spoke to why he was not getting more playing time vs. Anderson I think); "...we're about a third of the way through the season and he (Bass) still does not know the plays..."

I don't remember saying anything (and not saying you are saying that) about his BBIQ because I honestly don't know him well enough to comment...the problem for me (after reading that) has to do with motivation, willingness to perform at a level to get playing time, or now that he has his contract? BBIQ could also be questioned (since Van Gundy) is not running a defensive scheme any more complicated than ours...

It would probably be difficult (not impossible) to find since it was a one sentence and included in an article I was reading...but 99% sure (whatever day I posted I read it...wish I'd linked it now) that I read it that day...or within 1-2 on a link from hoopshype...

If it is important to you I'll be glad to try and find it...just post back and let me know...:)

[BRNC]

I'd rather Joey Dorsey if that's the type you are looking for.

Maybe even Pops.

But I would rather trade Acie for Armstrong out of all of them.

slam...(and I hate saying this since I have no link) but I just read yesterday that the NO fans are calling him "Paris Hilton" because he plays so soft...not sure he'd be a great help banging if that is what is happening...

The "Paris Hilton" thing I picked up was a thread (Bobcats) at RealGM...here is the link...for my part I think I'd do a thorough "search" and see if this is what he is actually getting from their fans...

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=53&p=21829270

[Slam]

slam...(and I hate saying this since I have no link) but I just read yesterday that the NO fans are calling him "Paris Hilton" because he plays so soft...not sure he'd be a great help banging if that is what is happening...
I don't think we need a banger though BRNC. I want a post player - which Armstrong has the ability to be.

And if my choices are trading:

DJ for a guy like Bass
or
Acie for a guy like Armstrong

I know where I think we would be getting ripped off and where I think we would, at the very least, break even.

[spectre]

There ya go BRNC...that's good enough for me.

I now know WAY more than I want about Brandon Bass! :p

Forgotten about this:

A wee bit of news on Brandon Bass - Bonnell (http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2009/07/a-wee-bit-of-news-on-brandon-bass.html)

Bonnell hears Bass was offered 5/25 but he doubts it was us...but it sure seemed like us. Reportedly he turned down that contract for less from Orlando.

Sounds exactly like us doesn't it.

The Official Brandon Bass to Orlando thread (http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=920817&start=0)

RGM Maverick's Board. Most wanted him back, and you have to take into account he could only get like 6-8 minutes at the PF because he was backing up Nowitzki, so a some had to go at the C position.

High energy player...good inside game, but is small.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXI3TxoQmQ4

It's a good clip and you can see that energy, but I can also see him getting muscled in the paint vs. stronger PFs.

I don't think I'd want to trade DJ straight up for Bass either...and 5/25 would have been pretty retail so I'm glad that didn't happen. I do think I'd give up the nonguaranteed guys for him, but I don't know that ORL really cares about saving money.

[BRNC]

spectre...his size has bothered me also...and as I said...the "glyph" I read left much not said...but I think it odd that a guy that has been in the league for a few years can't get the "D" scheme (down reasonably) after camp, preseason, and a third of the games...still looking for the link but was so short (as I said) may be hard to find...but still looking...

For my part (and if it is really a back-up type thing) I'd rather do "Hulk" for J. Boone...I don't think I'm much of a fan of any of the three...Boone, Armstrong, or Bass...but Boone has the size on the other two and has had some moments...I think I'd definitely risk Hulk or AC before I'd trade DJ though...except for a "proven".....

[spectre]

I don't think we need a banger though BRNC. I want a post player - which Armstrong has the ability to be.

And if my choices are trading:

DJ for a guy like Bass
or
Acie for a guy like Armstrong

I know where I think we would be getting ripped off and where I think we would, at the very least, break even.

Interesting that the FO was interested in the DJ/Bass swap tho. Figure Bass is this year's Gana? They lust after the guy all summer then end up trading for him as soon as they can?

We're never getting any capspace.

LB wouldn't play Armstrong. Think he's any better than Jamario Davidson? I liked him but LB didn't seem to like him at all. I know he doesn't play Law either, but it seems like treading water to me.

Like BRNC said NOLA fans are talking him down bigtime.

[spectre]

spectre...his size has bothered me also...and as I said...the "glyph" I read left much not said...but I think it odd that a guy that has been in the league for a few years can't get the "D" scheme (down reasonably) after camp, preseason, and a third of the games...still looking for the link but was so short (as I said) may be hard to find...but still looking...

I think he's ultimately a high energy scorer off the bench. He has great production (as I showed somewhere!), but a starter is stretching it.

don't bother with the link man...like I said, good enough for me.

[BRNC]

thanx.......

[Slam]

Interesting that the FO was interested in the DJ/Bass swap tho. Figure Bass is this year's Gana? They lust after the guy all summer then end up trading for him as soon as they can?

We're never getting any capspace.

LB wouldn't play Armstrong. Think he's any better than Jamario Davidson? I liked him but LB didn't seem to like him at all. I know he doesn't play Law either, but it seems like treading water to me.

Like BRNC said NOLA fans are talking him down bigtime.
The same front office also wanted to trade Crash for TJ Ford........

[spectre]

The same front office also wanted to trade Crash for TJ Ford........

http://www.bobcatsplanet.com/vb/image.php?u=702&dateline=1229029488

[teej]

http://www.bobcatsplanet.com/vb/image.php?u=702&dateline=1229029488

:biggrin:

LB isn't calling the shots anymore though, so I don't see another Gana. And the way he's played lately, he's been worth the money (relatively, of course)

And uh, is there ANY way we could get Juwan back?

[Toocool]

I wouldn't mind Yi Jianlian with the way he's playing.

[teej]

I wouldn't mind Yi Jianlian with the way he's playing.

and all those links...but what would we give them? DJ + Lexy?

[Weezy21]

I like that...good job!

What's the salary implications? NOLA has to lose salary this season as that's their prime motivation, and we have to stay below the LT.

what is the luxary set at?? were getting $15.7 mill in the deal, while shipping out $12.2 mill...so i guess my question is, if we added $3.5 mill to this years salary, would we b over the luxary tax??

[spectre]

what is the luxary set at?? were getting $15.7 mill in the deal, while shipping out $12.2 mill...so i guess my question is, if we added $3.5 mill to this years salary, would we b over the luxary tax??

I haven't looked in a while (tam's thread is on it), but I think we're within 2/3 million. Next year needs to be a worry as well as the cap/tax will probably drop another 3 million give or take.

[Woodsy23]

luxury - $69.92 mil we're at $67.64 mil

(tyson chandler and diaw between them earning 21.3 million, chandler being the highest paid player on the team and diaw joint 2nd highest earner with crash:facepalm:)

[spectre]

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=974718&p=21856805#p21856805


Deal after 16.1 because of Laws restriction

Dallas in: Najera, Hayes

NYN in: Law, S.Williams

CHA in: Humphries

Basically for us: Law for Humphries. We add a little less than 700k and both are expiring. I think Humphries has a low BBIQ, but hey...he is a backup PF.

[Slam]

I'd do it.

I view it like my Law for Armstrong trade. It's a "who cares" type deal. If it worked out - GREAT - if it didn't there's no loss because Acie isn't getting burn with us any ways and it's not like we are taking on extra money or years.

[spectre]

Would you do it considering he has a PO of 3.2 million for next season?

Didn't realize that til just now.

[Toocool]

I would love Andy Bogut here. Bogut for Diaw and Graham.

Why?

Charlotte:
Bogut is a beast offensively, brings the low post offense we need to the table. Ship TC to the 4, Bogut to the 5 and we have two 7 footers in the back court, both able to defend and rebound well. Bogut is also a double double threat. Also getting rid of Diaw and Graham.

Milwaukee:
An improvement at their 4. Seriously, Delfino...Mbah a Moute? Diaw would bring greater improvement to their 4. Able to develop next generation more easily with Ersan getting more playing time for 5. They're set for 5 with Elson and Gadzuric also.

Why not?
Milwaukee:
Loosing a double double chap who is a decent center.

Charlotte:
LB's love for Diaw and Graham.
Bogut can get injured at times. If TC and Bogut both go down, our back court will be hurting.

[Chef]

no way in hell does mil do this.

[BRNC]

If (and I still say if) we deal I think it will not be a huge trade...unless another team (Utah or Washington) decides to throw in the towel...IMO most likely a reliable back-up is the best we can do for what we have to trade...

[Slam]

Would you do it considering he has a PO of 3.2 million for next season?

Didn't realize that til just now.
Hump does?

Ouch. That might change thigns!! Wouldn't really want to carry that sort of contract from a "who cares" player next season considering the state of the cap and the holes we still have.

[spectre]

Yeah, I think it does for me too. Course we could probably move him pretty easily right after he exercised it next season assuming there'd be no restrictions.

Edit:

Going off that...next year we have Nazr & TC who will be expiring contracts. Having another at 3.2 might help balance a trade for better talent in the 8-9 range.

Just a thought.

[Slam]

Eddy (Winter Park)


You mentioned that Howard was slow, but what about Vince, Jameer and Rashard? They all look off on the Magic offence, specially Vince.

John Hollinger (12:52 PM)



I agree with every word of that, but I still feel like it starts with Dwight. While we're throwing Orlando players under the bus, could Brandon Bass have looked any more confused last night?


Just saw this and thought it interesting when it comes to his BBIQ?

[spectre]

Just saw this and thought it interesting when it comes to his BBIQ?

While researching him the other day I ran across someone's twitter post (maybe a magic journalist) which said him learning the plays was what was holding him back.

Sounds a lot like the knock on Hump.

[BRNC]

...it also might be the reason (BBIQ) the FO lost interest in Bass...but who really knows...maybe the "price tag" from the Magic is a major hurdle...the these little tidbits questioning his BBIQ keep popping up...would give me pause about trading for him...that and his size (lack of)...:p

[ALuhrs704]

i think bass would be great here. all these issues with him, id love to take him. he is what we need, and we do need a banger. joey dorsey is a banger, and id take him too. prolly cheaper. we got our scoring figured out, hinced why boris isnt producing. we just need D really from our bigs

[rsxnova]

i think bass would be great here. all these issues with him, id love to take him. he is what we need, and we do need a banger. joey dorsey is a banger, and id take him too. prolly cheaper. we got our scoring figured out, hinced why boris isnt producing. we just need D really from our bigs

9/3/5 in the third. He is starting to turn it around.

[Chef]

from real gm:


Re: Predict the trades that will happen by the trade deadline

Postby kombayn on Thu Jan 07, 2010 6:25 pm
Boris Diaw for Troy Murphy


yes please

[Dcarnys]

from real gm:


Re: Predict the trades that will happen by the trade deadline

Postby kombayn on Thu Jan 07, 2010 6:25 pm
Boris Diaw for Troy Murphy


yes please

Well can't complain about that one.

[BRNC]

They (Pacers) might actually do a Diaw/Law for Murphy...might...but Law can't be traded until after 1/16...

The problem for us is it would still leaves us with no "true" PF back-up...it only gets rid of Diaw (which is not a bad thing at this point in time)...

[spectre]

RUMOR: Al Jefferson traded by Deadline! (http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=974859#p21860386)


On today's local sportstalk radio station this morning, host Paul Allen said that he's heard a rumor from someone connected to the team that Al Jefferson will be traded, and before the deadline.

From the RGM Trade Board.

He's come off a torn ACL (I think), but he's starting to get back into form and he's only 25.

Interested? What would we be willing to give up? I assume he still holds very good value so he probably won't be cheap.

[BRNC]

I think the biggest obstacle for us is no first round pick...I get the feeling every trade the T'Wolves make they want a first back...I could be wrong though...

I guess a better question (for me) would be what do we really have that they'd want for Al? I can almost guarantee it is not any of the players we'd like out of here...:g:

[Slam]

RUMOR: Al Jefferson traded by Deadline! (http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=974859#p21860386)



From the RGM Trade Board.

He's come off a torn ACL (I think), but he's starting to get back into form and he's only 25.

Interested? What would we be willing to give up? I assume he still holds very good value so he probably won't be cheap.
Chandler and Hendo.

Wolves get a shot blocking true C next to the more traditional NBA scoring PF in Love and a great prospect in Hendo.

We get a post scoring, rebounding PF.

[Weezy21]

Chandler and Hendo.

Wolves get a shot blocking true C next to the more traditional NBA scoring PF in Love and a great prospect in Hendo.

We get a post scoring, rebounding PF.

i dont no if u saw what i had posted in response to this on realgm, but i too said chandler, hendo ad a 2nd rounder. Apparently this was a horrible idea because one twolves fan replied:

"Why!? God, Why!? FML. :facepalm:"

[Slam]

I saw a thread where someone suggested Crash and DJ and I went:

"Why!? God, Why!? FML. :facepalm:""Why!? God, Why!? FML. :facepalm:""Why!? God, Why!? FML. :facepalm:""Why!? God, Why!? FML. :facepalm:""Why!? God, Why!? FML. :facepalm:""Why!? God, Why!? FML. :facepalm:""Why!? God, Why!? FML. :facepalm:""Why!? God, Why!? FML. :facepalm:"

[Fred Williamson]

btw, look at this:

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=974919


I could see a radical move like this. The problem is there is only a small list of players I would move 1 for 1 with Al Jeff.

Lebron
D. Howard
D. Williams
B. Roy

Maybe, give me another piece (some big pieces, some little)
Durant
Paul
Iggy
Granger
Randolph
D. Rose
Lopez
Gallinari (Big other piece)
Josh Smith+Marvin Williams?
Mello
Gordon
Kevin Martinlmfao.


And now way I trade Crash and DJ for him. Crash puts up even bigger numbers than Jefferson.

[BRNC]

I still have serious doubts that we can make a "big" trade given what we actually have to trade...I remain in the mindset that the best we can do is a reliable back-up PF...and that will only come from a team looking for cap relief (maybe a little this year) for next year with Hulk/AC being the only real bait we have...that is to say if we really want to make the playoffs they are the only bait we have...and who can we get in the 3 million range...:g:

It remains a problem...I kinda think we missed the boat on J. Boone (although he is no great prize...he would have brought size) when the Nets wanted to unload him for Hulks brothers contract...or maybe the Nets just did not want to deal with us...who knows...

[spectre]

That is pretty terrible for the Wolves. A hurt C that looks to be majorly overpaid (he's not even an expiring!) and a 12th pick who isn't getting any PT?

Y'all do remember NOLA couldn't hardly give TC away not so long ago right?

[Fred Williamson]

That is pretty terrible for the Wolves. A hurt C that looks to be majorly overpaid (he's not even an expiring!) and a 12th pick who isn't getting any PT?

Y'all do remember NOLA couldn't hardly give TC away not so long ago right?

Still, we are not talking about Hakeem or Ewing. Jefferson just came off a torn ACL, which could cause some problems in the future, and his contract is worse than Brand's. He's also not a good post defender.

[BRNC]

Still, we are not talking about Hakeem or Ewing. Jefferson just came off a torn ACL, which could cause some problems in the future, and his contract is worse than Brand's. He's also not a good post defender.

I'm not sure (on any level) how is contract is "worse" than Brands...Al makes 3+ million less the last year and is six years younger...:confused:

[Slam]

Still, we are not talking about Hakeem or Ewing. Jefferson just came off a torn ACL, which could cause some problems in the future, and his contract is worse than Brand's. He's also not a good post defender.
All true - and he hasn't looked the same at all since coming back from the injury.

His value isn't any where near as high as it was this time a year or so ago.

[Slam]

A hurt C that looks to be majorly overpaid (he's not even an expiring!)
He's not an expiring, but they still get out of a couple years of Al's contract.............just like we did when we traded the lesser player (EO50) for Chandler.

Plus, Love and Chanlder fit together a LOT better than Love and Al do.

And if you look at it from a draft pick stand point:

They get a 2nd over all pick (TC) and a 12th over all pick (Hendo)
and all we get is a 15th over all pick!!

;)

[BRNC]

yes...but if you add them up slam they beat us 15 to 14...:biggrin:

[spectre]

In regards to that draft standpoint Ammo says hey.

The two years before he was hurt he was a 21/11 and then a 23/11 per game player on 50% shooting. Last 10 games he's 19.5/9 at 52%...last 5 games he's 21/9 at 55%. He's also at 78% FT and is getting around 1.5 blocks.

You guys are laughing at what some Wolves' fan said they wanted...but you're ignoring what fans from other teams are offering.

Oh, and Brand's contract is way more than Jefferson's...and Jefferson is like 5 years younger.

Jefferson is worth way more than Okafor in regards to contract...same boards, slightly less blocks (less than .5) yet twice the amount of points. He's an actual offensive threat.

[Fred Williamson]

I'm not sure (on any level) how is contract is "worse" than Brands...Al makes 3+ million less the last year and is six years younger...:confused:

my bad, I thought his new contract lasts for 5years

But still, it sucks, and Chandler will be a HUGE expiring next year

[Slam]

yes...but if you add them up slam they beat us 15 to 14...:biggrin:
:biggrin:

Damn the numbers!! Damn them all to hell!!

[BRNC]

:biggrin:

Damn the numbers!! Damn them all to hell!!

roflmao...

[Chef]

in my opinion, which i believe is far superior to anyone elses (forget that humble opinion bs), if we can't get a trade where we get significantly better or get significant cap relief this year, we should not trade. if we make the playoffs fine, if not we piss away a late lotto draft pick which don't usually pan out too well. if you look at it we will have tyson's 11.7 mil, boris 9 mil and naz's 6.5 mil expiring next year. in a year when the cap is slated to go down again, we could completely transform the team with quality talent and/or very good draft picks.

[BRNC]

Chef...Diaw does not have a contract that expires with Naz and TC at the end of next year...he is the year after...

[Fred Williamson]

But you can be sure that he'll be a real asset next year. Dude always starts playing when his money is on the line.

[BRNC]

But you can be sure that he'll be a real asset next year. Dude always starts playing when his money is on the line.

LOL...without a doubt...but that is no help this year...some balls by LB (parking his a** on the bench for awhile) would help motivate him...I just don't see that happening though...

[French_Cats]

Who will be a free agent next year is Charlotte?

[BRNC]

The players that have contracts that end at the end of this season (I think that is what you are asking?) are:

Raymond Felton
Ronald "Flip" Murray
Stephen Graham
Acie Law

[Slam]

Who will be a free agent next year is Charlotte?
This might help you out:

http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/index.jsp

[French_Cats]

Thank you

My god there are many good quality Free Agent we can recover.

Do you think we should seek a franchise player?

[Chef]

Chef...Diaw does not have a contract that expires with Naz and TC at the end of next year...he is the year after...

espn's trade checker has him at 2yrs 9 mil. is this incorrect? you need a ph.d to understand all of this contract stuff.

[teej]

espn's trade checker has him at 2yrs 9 mil. is this incorrect? you need a ph.d to understand all of this contract stuff.

He has a P.O. for the third year.

NBA 2k10 helps with this immensely.

[BRNC]

Correct on the PO and I'm assuming (safely) that he will exercise the PO...

[Chef]

thanks. no doubt he exercises his option. i would then argue that he has the 2nd worst contract on our team based on dollars per production behind diop.

[spectre]

Thinking maybe Josh Boone?

I've never really liked the guy, but it looks like the Nets want to about give him away.

[BRNC]

Thinking maybe Josh Boone?

I've never really liked the guy, but it looks like the Nets want to about give him away.

spectre...makes you wonder if we (FO) has/had any interest in Boone period...we know he was shopped to the Nuggets for J> Graham and his non-guaranteed...or...

...since the Nets made the deal with Dallas if they (the Nets) were only looking to deal with Western teams...makes you wonder...

But I do agree with you that Boone is no special prize...if we did get him he'd bring size but not much more...at least up until now he has not shown much more...he has averaged 20 mpg and appears less effective (I know they play different positions) than Nazzy (at 14 mpg) has been for us...

[DCW]

How bout Sean Williams isnt he gonna be waived to make this Dallas trade happen. Since NJ is doing a 2 for 1 deal they gotta release someone.

[ALuhrs704]

man if we could get al jefferson we would be set! i doubt it, but who knows. i know that flip is playing lights out lately, and hendo isnt seeing any time. i still would like boozer, i wonder if he would sign here if we gave him the $$. i know he went to duke, but idk if thats his only NC tie. Jamison would be nice as well.

[Weezy21]

this is a two part trade....cant do one without the other

1) nazy and dj FOR jamison

2) diaw and graham FOR eddy curry and chandler....d'antoni loves diaw and we could use another center, just b/c im not too big on the whole diop/tyson duo...an d'antoni might be diaw's biggest fan...plus we get a player like chandler who would be great coming off the bench for us

c-tyson/curry/diop
pf-jamison/UPS
sf-wallace/chandler
sg-jackson/chandler/hendo
pg-ray/flip

[teej]

If we're taking Jamison's long ass contract on they need to take either Gana or TC.

[spectre]

Don't have time to look at the numbers, but maybe add something to the WAS deal to get Haywood (bet we'd have a good shot at re-signing him and they would be getting Nazr in the deal) and maybe swapping out Boris for Jefferies/filler.

[Dcarnys]

Wouldnt mind that. I've always liked Jamison and Wilson Chander would be a great backup to Crash. I doubt that NY would tade with a team they're fighting for a playoff spot. And I doubt that Washington would trade to someone in the division.

[teej]

Wouldnt mind that. I've always liked Jamison and Wilson Chander would be a great backup to Crash. I doubt that NY would tade with a team they're fighting for a playoff spot. And I doubt that Washington would trade to someone in the division.

NYK couldn't care less about this season. To get rid of Curry? They'd be overjoyed.

Washington isn't in a bargaining position, either.

[spectre]

DJ for Blatche?

[teej]

DJ for Blatche?

Noooo.

I don't want to touch Crittenton, McGee, or Blatche (and obv. Arenas) much less trade a quality prospect for them. I might not even trade Gana for one of those guys.

[BRNC]

Gana for McGee would be about the only one I'd go for...

[teej]

Gana for McGee would be about the only one I'd go for...

Only thing is, McGee wouldn't get much PT, and he's a negative influence vs. Gana's hardworking attitude and just being a good teammate.

Only Wizard I'm remotely interested in is Antawn, and they'd have to take back Gana or TC for Bob to be happy, so I don't see that happening.

[spectre]

From Hollinger's chat:


Aaron (Charlotte)

Are the Bobcats in any discussions?

John Hollinger (12:52 PM)

I think Charlotte already made its "deadline deal" when it got Jackson earlier this year. The Gerald Wallace rumors have quieted now that the team is winning, and Felton isn't going anywhere with Augustin playing as badly as he is. Only possibility would be something involving Diaw, and/or low-level moves involving Ajinca, Henderson, or Law's expiring deal.


Pretty much what we've been thinking as well.

[truDUKEfan]

What do you guys really think law trade value is? I mean wasnt he a first round pick when he was drafted by atlanta? I would like to see him play a little more b/4 we traded him b/c he's got good length and when he was in collage he had a sweet jump shot, or was he just not able to translate that to nba? Please keep henderson lol i finally got a dukie on my fav. team lol

[spectre]

Heh...I almost threw a Hendo/Law for Gomes/Ellington trade out there a little while ago too!

Law's value? Not much; it's mainly about his expiring contract. To get any value back we'd probably have to take on more salary.

Brown on Blair and trade possibilities (http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2010/01/brown-on-blair-and-trade-possibilities.html)

[BRNC]

Heh...I almost threw a Hendo/Law for Gomes/Ellington trade out there a little while ago too!

Law's value? Not much; it's mainly about his expiring contract. To get any value back we'd probably have to take on more salary.

Brown on Blair and trade possibilities (http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2010/01/brown-on-blair-and-trade-possibilities.html)

We would not be hamstrung taking on another year or two (Law only makes 2 million) but realistically what would he bring...not much unless packaged...

[spectre]

Usually not much and that's why I've been thinking Hendo might have to be added. Never know tho; teams sometimes will dump something just to drop a couple million so they can get under that LT. Plus, some teams are trying hard to get under enough to get 2 max FAs and might be desperate to shave off a little bit.

I wish we had enough expirings to do something like take on Jefferies and get Chandler. That's the kind of thing OKC has been doing...and look at them now.

[polarcat]

Most ridiculous part of that Blair/Larry Brown article that was posted is the last part on "Brown's Concerns". His concern is playing guys too many minutes esp. on back-to-backs. Ummm, maybe if Hendo, UPS and Law got some burn, your concerns would go away. Seriously....wtf! :facepalm:

[teej]

I wish we had enough expirings to do something like take on Jefferies and get Chandler. That's the kind of thing OKC has been doing...and look at them now.

:yeahthat:

Wilson is a beast. Love that guy. And he's a good teammate and a guy who won't embarass you, either.

[BRNC]

We killed the small amount of flex (financial) last year...next year (with the two big expirings) will hopefully be better...

[dav7z]

Thought on how to balance this roster , Keep us under the tax and contend for the east . The Pistons and the Wizzards are ready for fire sales .

Charlotte out , Law and Lexy. Pistons out , Wilcox and Bynum
Pistons do this to get Laws expiring and a7.1 project to rebuild


Charlotte out Diaw , Augustine Washington out Jamison
Washington does this to pick up a long term prospect in Auustine
At the same time appear to be conpetive in Diaw
Washington all so saves about 7 mil in all the contracts involved

We look like
1. Felton, Flip , Bynum
2. Jax, Flip , Henderson
3, Wallace, UPS, JAX
4, Jamison , Wilcox
5. Nazz, Diop, Chandler

With Jamison spreading the floor , Wilcox on the boards , Bynum to bust zones . This groupe has very few holes.

[onajourney]

Thought on how to balance this roster , Keep us under the tax and contend for the east . The Pistons and the Wizzards are ready for fire sales .

Charlotte out , Law and Lexy. Pistons out , Wilcox and Bynum
Pistons do this to get Laws expiring and a7.1 project to rebuild


Charlotte out Diaw , Augustine Washington out Jamison
Washington does this to pick up a long term prospect in Auustine
At the same time appear to be conpetive in Diaw
Washington all so saves about 7 mil in all the contracts involved

We look like
1. Felton, Flip , Bynum
2. Jax, Flip , Henderson
3, Wallace, UPS, JAX
4, Jamison , Wilcox
5. Nazz, Diop, Chandler

With Jamison spreading the floor , Wilcox on the boards , Bynum to bust zones . This groupe has very few holes.

I tried this on the ESPN trade machine, and it won't do the first one b/c Law "cannot be traded in combination with another player." Wilcox was with the Thunder last season, and I really like how he played in the game at Charlotte.

Personnel-wise, I would go for both of these trades. Not sure if the other teams would though.

[teej]

The Law issue expires tomorrow.

And I would rather go after Boozer, since they're supposedly only asking for one keeper in return, but this is a solid consolation prize.

[BRNC]

Either would be a solid pick-up (depending on what we'd have to give) and make us very legitimate in the East...

[onajourney]

The Law issue expires tomorrow.

And I would rather go after Boozer, since they're supposedly only asking for one keeper in return, but this is a solid consolation prize.

Thanks, didn't know that.

[spectre]

Good stuff dav!

The only stickler I see is Detroit adding Bynum, but other than that I think both are great ideas.

[Ghost Kat]

I bet my last $1 of vCash we don't make another trade.

[dakingnc]

Bobcats needs a Offensive Power Forward to make Tyson Chandler play strong in the center position. Some people wouldn't like this trade but the City of Charlotte and Fans would love it, and most likely it would happen. If you don't know what I'm getting at? I'm getting at making the Bobcats a contender in the 2010-2011 for the top 3 position in the East and maybe a championship run. Here's the Trade:

Charlotte Bobcats send:
1. D.J. Augustine PG
2. Boris Diaw PF
3. DeSagana Diop C
4. Stephen Graham F

TO

Phoenix Suns for:
1. Amara Stoudemire
2. Earl Clark

With this trade it will seal the backup spot for PF with Earl Clark and a superstar that will pack the gym and bring a more basketball sense to the city of Charlotte. Also a chance to lock up a Championship.

Charlotte Team would look like this by position:

PG: Raymond Felton, Acie Law,
SG: Stephen Jackson, Gerald Henderson, Flip Murray
SF: Gerald Wallace, Derrick Brown
PF: Amara Stoudemire, Earl Clark
C: Tyson Chandler, Nozar Mohammed, Alex Ajinca

Maybe a free agent signing that would give us a good bench of:
#1. Sean Williams- 6'10 PF with the Nets just waiving him
#2. Gerald Green- 6'8 SG/F free agent
#3. Rashad McCants- 6'4 G which could help rotate from SG to PG time to time with the above roster.

****THIS WOULD BE A CHAMPIONSHIP CALIBER TEAM HAVING THE CHANCE OF LEADING THE EAST.***** WHAT YOU'LL THINK?:g::confused::biggrin:

[Fred Williamson]

Amare is a jumpshooting big man, has bad knees, can't play defense, is a weak rebounder, and he wouldn't resign here.

I don't want him and Phoenix would never do that trade.

And what's up with that bench? I think you forgot to add Marbury and Steve Francis, and maybe we should try to get Isiah Rider back in the NBA.

[BRNC]

The closer we get to the trade deadline the more "NBA live" trades will pop up and an exponential number of trade threads will follow...

[spectre]

Which Teams Should Bid on Amar'e Stoudemire? - NBA FanHouse (http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/01/25/which-teams-should-bid-on-amare-stoudemire/#cntnt)



Bobcats (http://nba.fanhouse.com/team/bobcats). Charlotte looks like a perfect match for Amar'e in a couple different ways. The team has a bit of a hole at power forward (former Sun Boris Diaw (http://nba.fanhouse.com/players/boris-diaw/3724) mans the position now), and has a huge, gaping hole on offense, where the team ranks 26th. But with Gerald Wallace (http://nba.fanhouse.com/players/gerald-wallace/3533), Stephen Jackson (http://nba.fanhouse.com/players/stephen-jackson/3210) and Nazr Mohammed (http://nba.fanhouse.com/players/nazr-mohammed/3272) featured heavily, the team has the league's best defense ... which should serve to cover Stoudemire's deficiencies. The Bobcats don't have much to offer via trade -- Gerald Henderson (http://nba.fanhouse.com/players/gerald-henderson/4617), Diaw (a starting-level replacement for Amar'e at half the price), the expiring contract of Acie Law (http://nba.fanhouse.com/players/acie-law/4289) and a future first-round pick would be about the best reasonable package Charlotte could offer in a two-team deal.Doing this would put us with a salary in 2010/2011 at around 49 million...approx. 5-7 under cap. If management were so inclined they could probably do this trade, sign Felton and maybe get a starter for the MLE and end up with a salary of around 64 million and be under the tax.

As it stands with no movement we're looking at paying the tax if we re-sign Felton and the tax is no more than 65-66 million.

We could probably do better.

[docend24]

Yeah, plus he really wants to play in Charlotte. Shouldn't we get Eddy Curry as well when we are in it?

[Scottley Crue]

I just don't believe Stoudemire is an LB type player/power forward. I know LB likes PFs who can stretch the floor as well as score down low, and I just don't know about Stoudemire's outside game. I don't watch him as much, so I could be way off here, but as far as I know he's not that reliable with the jumper.

I'd really like to deal for a solid backup PF. A guy like Jason Maxiell comes to mind, though I really don't like the length of his contract. I don't have a problem with $5 million a year for him, it's just the 4 or 5 more years of that that I don't like. But a rough-and-tumble guy like him to back up Boris would be a nice compliment, I believe.

[GoBobs]

he is kinda fat this year

[spectre]

http://www.sacbee.com/sports/story/2502629-p2.html



Kings' trade outlook


The Kings remain in a challenging position, as their focus is acquiring a big man the likes of whom may not exist.

~snip~

Charlotte – which sources say would be very motivated by any trade involving Kings second-year forward Jason Thompson – has a logjam of centers whom the Kings may inquire about: Nazr Mohammed (6-foot-10), DeSagana Diop (7-0), Alexis Ajinca (7-0) and oft-injured Tyson Chandler (7-1). The Bobcats may also have interest in the expiring contract of Kenny Thomas ($8.7 million this season), as he has been highly regarded by Charlotte coach Larry Brown since they were together in Philadelphia.

[Felton for Prez]

Anyone find anything else on this? I'm curious to see what we'd offer up.

[BETCATS]

At this point, these are the only players on our team i would consider trading:

Lexy - just get him out of here already

DJ- only if we know Raymond is comming back

Acie- an expiring, lets cash out while we can

Gerald Henderson - with Jackson and Flip, he wont be getting any play time, get some talent we can use in return

Tyson- he might going to disrupt chemistry we have built without him, might as well ship him out, but only for the right player.

Diaw- only ship him out for the right player. He is underachiving but has found a role on the offense. Getting rid of him might disrupt team chemistry if it's not for a serious upgrade.

[polarcat]

^^ i agree with most of those except henderson. we are in the enviable position of allowing a young rookie to learn without rushing him along. jax and flip are both 30 and flip runs so hot and cold that i don't see him here once henderson can be an every night player. just my opinion and i know there are several people on bcp that have no problem letting henderson go which i understand. i just think henderson has the skills to be a solid nba player. maybe not all-star but a very talented player that is athletic, plays great defense and can get to the hoop. once he polishes his jumper and consistency, he should be a great fringe starter and could be rotated in if gwall is hurt and slide jax to the 3.

[GoBobs]

this is what I would do:

Cha out: Naz, Law
Blazers out: Fernandez, Outlaw

Cha out: Jackson, TC
Celtics out: Ray Allen

Finish the year with

Felton/DJ
Allen/Fernandez/Hendo
Wallace/Brown
Diaw/Outlaw
Diop/Lexy

We take a step back but still likely make the playoffs. Next summer we have 33 mil in committed salary instead of 59 mill committed. We use the money to try and resign Felton and Fernandez to value contracts as well as playing the bigger free agent market.

[BETCATS]

Cha out: Jackson, TC
Celtics out: Ray Allen





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Either of these would work for me:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yzzm53e (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yzzm53e)

or

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ykyfexu (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ykyfexu)

[mrtarheel]

Maybe something like this

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yh8rjgp

[Chef]

is it possible for us to make moves this season to free cap space to go after david lee next summer? what is his price going to be?

[spectre]

is it possible for us to make moves this season to free cap space to go after david lee next summer? what is his price going to be?

I'd put it in the "No Way In Hell" category.

Right now we're projected to be about 5-6 million under the Luxury Tax with 10 players and no Felton.

We need to cut some of next year's salary badly.

[Chef]

so it is fair to say that unless we shed some serious salary a'la boris, tc, naz, diop, our FA offseason will be limited to second round picks, ray and possible unseen trades.

[spectre]

Pretty much.

Honestly I don't see how they re-sign Felton as well as field a full squad without going over the LT. You have to think he'll suck up all the available space at minimum and that will only get us to 11 players.

They don't calculate the "hit" until the end of the regular season next year so we could always do a minimal fire sale before the next trade deadline just like NOLA did in the past couple of weeks.

That's why I liked that trade so much for Thompson (TC/Law/DJ for Thompson/KT/Nocioni). In that one trade we'd gain an additional 6 million to play with next season, and it'd only cost us 6 extra million the next season (not really "extra"...it's just splitting TC's contract into 2 parts) when the cap isn't as big an issue.