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camakazee
01-04-2010, 03:59 AM
Hey everyone, Cavs fan here.

First, congrats on the win. The Bobcats played a very solid defensive game and made some big plays down the stretch.

Wallace has been a player that has caught my eye for some time now and I'm appalled that he has gotten barely any All-Star votes. So here's a little something I wrote regarding his play and All-Star aspirations. Enjoy!

The Unusual Suspect: Gerald Wallace. (http://numbersdont.com/?p=561)


http://numbersdont.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/wallace.jpg

For those of you who are like me and just got around to seeing the updated All-Star voting that was put out on New Year’s Eve, you were probably pretty disgusted with the results. Tracy McGrady had the second most votes for Western guards just as Allen Iverson had the second most votes for Eastern guards. But, believe it or not, neither one of those head scratchers is what bothered me the most.

Forwards: LeBron James (Cle) 1,579,530; Kevin Garnett (Bos) 1,317,739; Chris Bosh (Tor) 644,473; Paul Pierce (Bos) 320,499; Josh Smith (Atl) 293,680; Andre Iguodala (Phi) 201,312; Danny Granger (Ind) 198,478; Michael Beasley (Mia) 163,737; Hedo Turkoglu (Tor) 117,168; Rashard Lewis (Orl) 114,359; Caron Butler (Was) 99,079.

No, what irritated me was the clear-cut evidence that fans are forgetting about Gerald Wallace.

To be honest, I truly don’t remember the first few times I witnessed Wallace play. During his rookie year he played the Cavaliers twice, but only logged seven total minutes in the two games combined. But he made his presence felt, and left an impression on me the following season.

In two wins against the Cavaliers in 2002, Wallace averaged 15.0 points and 5.5 rebounds in only 24 minutes, half of a game’s work, per game. Not bad for a guy who took only 8 shots in each game. But if he left an impression on me over seven years ago, why aren’t fans recognizing him today?

Well, he isn’t physically imposing, at least not by NBA standards. In fact, standing 6′7″, Wallace is closer to NBA average Joe than standout (NBA average height was 6′6.98″ in 2007). This can certainly come into play when fans are voting between Wallace and players with freakish physical builds such as LeBron James, Kevin Garnett, Chris Bosh, and Josh Smith.

And then there’s the lack of star scoring. Wallace hasn’t changed much from those Cavs games in ‘02 in the fact that he doesn’t shoot much. So far this season he has attempted only 12.4 shots per game, which is actually his second-most attempts per game over his nine season career. Not being a 20 point-per-night type of player can certainly bruise All-Star aspirations.

However, if a guy is averaging a solid 17.9 points per game, should it matter that he’s not dominating the ball offensively? In fact, Wallace should be praised for hanging 18 a night on his opponents on only a dozen shots per game. There are only two other players, Steve Nash and Paul Pierce, that are averaging at least 17.9 points per game on less than 13 shots per game, and they have a combined 13 All-Star appearances between the two of them.

Then what is it that the fans aren’t noticing when it comes to Wallace? Well, I think it’s the same thing that sets Gerald Wallace apart; his heart.

And heart isn’t something that shows up in every boxscore, beat writer’s blog, or SportsCenter highlight. You would never guess by watching him settle in for the jumpball that he would be the most ferocious guy on the court from the second the ball goes in the air until the final second of the game. More Verbal Kint than Keyser Soze before the game starts, but maybe that’s how he prefers it.

Luckily heart isn’t something that’s completely lost in the stats. There’s a reason why 6′11″ Eddy Curry never averaged more than seven rebounds a night, yet Gerald Wallace is averaging 11.9 rebounds per game this season while playing a position that doesn’t reward players with very many easy rebounds.

http://www2.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Charlotte+Bobcats+v+Los+Angeles+Lakers+YQ5nD8c3Cqy l.jpg

Just take a second to consider what he has accomplished so far this season.

Gerald Wallace leads the NBA in defensive rebounds per game. You can reread that sentence all you want to, but it’s not a typo. Wallace is averaging 9.7 defensive rebounds per game, which happens to be more than Dwight Howard, Marcus Camby, or anyone else in the top five that has a Defensive Player of the Year trophy.

Wallace is also top five in terms of total rebounds per game with 11.9, top five in double-doubles with 20, and top fifteen in steals per game with 1.7 per contest. When looking at only Eastern conference forwards, Wallace is first in rebounds (defensive and total), first in steals, second in double-doubles, third in efficiency (22.9), fourth in points+rebounds+assists (31.8.), and seventh in scoring (17.9).

Wallace was one of only six players to grab 20 or more rebounds on at least two separate occasions this season, and was the only small forward to accomplish the feat. Also, he was one of only six players to score 30 or more points against the Cleveland Cavaliers this season, a team allows only 93.5 points per game, fourth best in the NBA (K. Bryant, A. Jamison, J. Johnson, Z. Randolph, and D. Wade were the other five).

So if Wallace is first in rebounding, first in steals, second in double-doubles, third in efficiency, and seventh in scoring among Eastern conference forwards then why are there eleven other forwards leading the voting in the East?

It can’t be because a fresh face doesn’t get a chance, as second-year forward Michael Beasley is in the top eight, firmly ahead of former All-Stars Caron Butler and Rashard Lewis.

And don’t give me the “bad team” spiel. At least not while the Bobcats presently sit in the eighth seed and players ahead of Wallace, such as Granger and Iguodala, are already thinking about kissing playoff hopes goodbye.

In all honesty, I don’t know why Gerald Wallace is being overlooked. I just know that for the life of him, Wallace can’t get a single look in his direction for All-Star voting. Maybe it’s because he’s not one of the usual suspects like Iverson or McGrady? Whatever it is, I hope that head coaches throughout the Eastern conference recognize the impact forward from Charlotte, as they’ll get the final say over All-Star reserves.

After a 31 point, 14 rebound performance in Charlotte and now a 19 point, 12 rebound game in Cleveland, both of which resulted in wins for the Bobcats, I know one coach who should think of Wallace when filling out the All-Star roster. Especially if he’s fortunate enough to coach the team once again this year.

Chef
01-04-2010, 02:45 PM
Excellent! Rep this guy way up.

ND22
01-04-2010, 04:04 PM
The dude rebounds better than 98-99% of the league. He plays harder than 98-99% of the league. Without him, we might as well be called the Nets.

Ghost Kat
01-04-2010, 09:20 PM
Gerald Wallace jumps so high he can snatch a lightning bolt from Zeus's hand.

GoBobs
01-04-2010, 09:38 PM
I feel like GW has played like our franchise player this year. All Star without doubt.

Dcarnys
01-05-2010, 12:15 PM
Well honestly we can say all we want about Crash being an all-star but unless we can convince the rest of the league he's worthy. I say we send a mass email of him dunking on LeBron to every e-mail address in the world.

x2pacalypse
01-05-2010, 12:46 PM
Gerald Wallace plays so hard, he needs Prilosec OTC® because he tears away the lining in his esophogus every night.

Ghost Kat
01-05-2010, 06:31 PM
Gerald Wallace is a basketball terminator sent back to save the Bobcats playoff hopes.

Gerald Wallace orginally told Denzel "King Kong aint got shit on me"

Every time Gerald Wallace dunks a basketball an Angel gets it's wings

ammofan
01-05-2010, 09:38 PM
He played great again tonight in the WIN vs Chicago!

32 points and 9 rebounds!!!!!!!!

Woodsy23
01-05-2010, 09:50 PM
the man... no let me rephrase that the LEGEND is making a strong case for himself and i reckon he'll be in the mind of the coaches when they come to making their decision. Its out of our hands all we can do is hope and pray (or pay the coaches a rather large some of money.)

BobcatsAllDay
01-05-2010, 09:55 PM
Not to say Gerald doesn't play w/ fire now, but how big would the chip on his shoulder be if he is an all-star snub? I'm all for Crash making the all-star game but if him not making it means we get a pissed off Crash in the 2nd half of the season, I'm all for it. I think the entire team will take that as slap in the face if we keep this pace.

Slam
01-05-2010, 10:20 PM
What happened to the blog that was the original post in this thread??

It was a great read. Why delete it?

GoBobs
01-05-2010, 10:22 PM
If he is leading the race for defensive mvp, he is an all star for sure.

TheBeagle
01-06-2010, 01:09 AM
What happened to the blog that was the original post in this thread??

It was a great read. Why delete it?
Yeah, I never even got to read it :confused:

Anyhow, I happened to have ESPN2 on as I'm online and Timmy Legler just finished saying that GW not making the All Star game would be criminal and that an investigation should be made if he's left off. As always, I take ESPN with a grain of salt, but the praise and the cases being made for GW are starting to increase to the point I think it could happen, especially when objective guys start feeling this strongly about it.

spectre
01-06-2010, 05:45 AM
I don't think anyone deleted it; I never got to read the thing and wondered what was up; I could see the name of the OP but when I went into the thread it wasn't there.

After the game on ESPN2 their guys were talking about the ASG and about David Lee (was a fan question on "ask the analysist)...they named off 6 wings I think and Crash was one of them. It's like they just know he's going to be in.

We need to keep winning. A good record will go a long way in helping him get there.

Slam
01-06-2010, 10:32 AM
I copied it and posted it over at RGM - hope the OP didn't mind. I thought it was a really good read.

Here it is again:

http://numbersdont.com/?p=561

teej
01-06-2010, 10:35 AM
It'll help a lot if Doc Rivers is the coach.

Though seeing as how LeBron likes Crash, Mike Brown won't pick against him either, right?

spectre
01-06-2010, 10:54 AM
I copied it and posted it over at RGM - hope the OP didn't mind. I thought it was a really good read.

Here it is again:

http://numbersdont.com/?p=561

Thanks!

I freaking LOVE this picture!

http://www2.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Charlotte+Bobcats+v+Los+Angeles+Lakers+YQ5nD8c3Cqy l.jpg

There's a slew of stuff out there this AM.

TheBeagle
01-06-2010, 10:51 PM
Thanks!

I freaking LOVE this picture!

http://www2.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Charlotte+Bobcats+v+Los+Angeles+Lakers+YQ5nD8c3Cqy l.jpg

There's a slew of stuff out there this AM. Ditto. Thanks, Slam. Good read indeed! Now, if only we coud trade Bonnell for this blogger to be the Cats beat writer...

rsxnova
01-07-2010, 04:45 AM
Here is another blog about the hardest working player in the NBA

http://my.nba.com/cms/106755/the_hardest_working_man_in_basketball_...

spectre
01-07-2010, 01:06 PM
From Hollinger's Chat:

Pete (NC)

Any love for the Bobcats? Larry has them playing pretty well right now, and Gerald Wallace has to be an All-Star this year, right?

John Hollinger (1:03 PM)

Charlotte paper has been pushing GWallace pretty hard but I think he's going to have a hard time getting in. Four forwards -- Pierce, Garnett, Josh Smith, Bosh -- are clearly ahead of him in the queue, so it partly depends on how coaches evaluate Davie Lee as a forward or a center and how many guards they decide to take.


Josh Smith is CLEARLY ahead of Crash??

http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/media/playerfile/gerald_wallace.jpg Gerald Wallace
Charlotte
Position: Forward
Height: 6-7 Weight: 220
College: Alabama
Player file (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/gerald_wallace/) | Team stats (http://www.nba.com/bobcats/stats/)

2009-10 Statistics PPG 18.3 RPG 11.8 APG 2.0 SPG 1.7 BPG 1.0 FG% 0.469 FT% 0.754 3P% 0.333 MPG 41.6
http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/media/playerfile/josh_smith.jpg Josh Smith
Atlanta
Position: Forward
Height: 6-9 Weight: 240
High School: Oak Hill Academy (VA)
Player file (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/josh_smith/) | Team stats (http://www.nba.com/hawks/stats/)

2009-10 Statistics PPG 15.0 RPG 8.0 APG 3.6 SPG 1.6 BPG 2.2 FG% 0.515 FT% 0.610 3P% 0.000 MPG 32.0

Toocool
01-07-2010, 01:20 PM
Crash is playing like Shawn Marion when he was in Phoenix. Marion had similar stats to what G has now, and he made the all-star game. Not to mention Crash is close to his career high scoring averages. If Crash continues this play, hopefully by playoffs his averages will be around 22/11.5 and that would give him a BIG case into all-star contention. If he gets his scoring even higher, that'll just add to his case of being an all-star. Personally I'm also hoping he can crank up his assists and steals a bit more also.

Slam
01-07-2010, 01:25 PM
Josh Smith is CLEARLY ahead of Crash??
I noticed that statement and thought it was a stretch too.

KT#20
01-07-2010, 02:33 PM
Hollinger's playing off of PER, in which case Josh Smith has clearly been better (22.44 vs. 18.39). Wallace is playing nearly ten more minutes than Smith, so their stat-lines are much closer than they would be if Wallace was playing 32 minutes a game. Once you consider that Atlanta is a much better team, I think Smith is clearly the better choice.

I don't think the difference in their games is as much as those numbers indicate, however.

spectre
01-07-2010, 02:57 PM
Crash (and we) are gonna be screwed again aren't we?

Guess we need that 4th seed locked up by the ASG before anyone on the Bobcats get the benefit of the doubt.

BRNC
01-07-2010, 03:04 PM
I still think he gets picked this year...if the team (at the time coaches pick) is a seed for the playoffs I think he goes...

KT#20
01-07-2010, 03:05 PM
I think he'll get in. Coaches aren't going to be looking at PER; they'll be looking at a 6'7 guy averaging 12 boards, while putting in nearly 18 points a game (maybe more by that time) on a team going to the playoffs. Wallace has a better reputation around the league than Smith, I'm sure, as well.

Garnett and James will make it. I think Pierce will be picked by the coaches as one backup forward, and I think the coaches will pick Bosh as the backup center, so that will leave one spot at the forward position. He'll have to beat out Smith and Granger for that last spot. Granger is out, so I think Wallace is in.

x2pacalypse
01-07-2010, 04:21 PM
Returns so far from all-star voting...

Forwards:
LeBron James (Cle) 1,769,287;
Kevin Garnett (Bos) 1,467,365;
Chris Bosh (Tor) 724,317;
Paul Pierce (Bos) 366,234;
Josh Smith (Atl) 334,338;
Andre Iguodala (Phi) 228,343;
Danny Granger (Ind) 213,371;
Michael Beasley (Mia) 188,552;
Rashard Lewis (Orl) 151,717;
Hedo Turkoglu (Tor) 133,445;
Caron Butler (Was) 110,003.

what else is new

Ghost Kat
01-07-2010, 05:56 PM
Wallace has a better reputation around the league than Smith, I'm sure, as well.



I think this is really his only chance. The fact that the coaches respect him around the league. He plays hard every game. Other teams have to plan ahead for him. Coaches around the league know what Crash brings every game. It's up to the coaches to get Wallace into the All Star game, He deserves it.

teej
01-08-2010, 08:52 PM
I think this is really his only chance. The fact that the coaches respect him around the league. He plays hard every game. Other teams have to plan ahead for him. Coaches around the league know what Crash brings every game. It's up to the coaches to get Wallace into the All Star game, He deserves it.

Well the coach is going to be Mike Brown or Doc Rivers, and while Crash stunk up the Celts games this year (who didn't?), I know Doc loves what Crash does, and if Mike Brown is coach, it's basically LeBron's choice...and I'm liking my chances there.

SWedd523
01-08-2010, 09:53 PM
Well the coach is going to be Mike Brown or Doc Rivers, and while Crash stunk up the Celts games this year (who didn't?), I know Doc loves what Crash does, and if Mike Brown is coach, it's basically LeBron's choice...and I'm liking my chances there.
Brown isn't eligible to be the coach for the East, as he was in that position last year.

teej
01-08-2010, 09:58 PM
Brown isn't eligible to be the coach for the East, as he was in that position last year.

Ah. Then Doc it is (probably)

Scottley Crue
01-09-2010, 11:37 AM
Saw this about Iverson on RealGM this morning. If he does miss the ASG, then that definitely opens the field more for Crash (and others who are more deserving than Iverson).

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/63926/20100109/knee_could_force_iverson_to_miss_all_star_game/

LiquidWayno
01-10-2010, 01:35 PM
I love the way Crash's teammates are backing him to make the team - Nazr is campaigning for Wallace's All-Star bid hardcore on Twitter,

Scottley Crue
01-10-2010, 03:41 PM
All I know is if Gerald Wallace isn't an All-Star, then I've NEVER seen an All-Star.

ALuhrs704
01-10-2010, 11:37 PM
All I know is if Gerald Wallace isn't an All-Star, then I've NEVER seen an All-Star.

AMEN. Amen. Amen.

Toocool
01-12-2010, 02:14 AM
Rick Kamla has GW as a lock in his own personal all-star team.

link: http://www.nba.com/video/channels/nba_tv/2010/01/11/20101111_ricks_rant_allstar.nba/?ls=iref:nbahpt1

Fred Williamson
01-12-2010, 03:23 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFIMtglVS6g

gforce33
01-12-2010, 04:28 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsErVzh3rj4&feature=sub

Fred Williamson
01-12-2010, 10:35 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsErVzh3rj4&feature=sub

that's awesome

spectre
01-12-2010, 10:56 AM
that's awesome

Man I agree! Did you do that gforce? If so I think you ought to bring that to the Bobcats' attention. Maybe email it to Mr. Thompson.

teej
01-12-2010, 03:19 PM
Man I agree! Did you do that gforce? If so I think you ought to bring that to the Bobcats' attention. Maybe email it to Mr. Thompson.

Whoever made it, it came out in the Bobcats Gametime email, and is on the site.

ammofan
01-12-2010, 04:09 PM
Whoever made it, it came out in the Bobcats Gametime email, and is on the site.

I think that the Bobcats probably made it......

Toocool
01-15-2010, 02:47 PM
This is kind of irrelevant, but this is a Crash thread so I thought I would post it here.

http://www.nba.com/2010/news/features/steve_aschburner/01/08/athletes/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt1

List of top 10 NBA athletes, Crash at 10.

SWedd523
01-15-2010, 04:23 PM
Dunno if he deserves to be in the top 10 all time.......

teej
01-15-2010, 04:27 PM
Dunno if he deserves to be in the top 10 all time.......

Athlete? Yes. Player ability combined with athleticsm, no.

He's a freak. He's a cross of MJ and Rodman. just not quite as good. :rolleyes:

SWedd523
01-15-2010, 04:36 PM
I don't even think he's that freakishly athletic. He's not the highest jumper, nor the fastest, nor the quickest, in the NBA. He's just extremely reckless and it makes it seem like he's flying all over the place.


IDK.... just me

teej
01-15-2010, 05:31 PM
He's not the highest jumper, nor the fastest, nor the quickest, in the NBA.

Jumper: He can standing jump to above the rim.

Fastest: In the NBA? no. Among forwards? one of the best

Quickest: I think he gets to the rim as fast as anyone, and is lethal on the break...

idk...just me :p

SWedd523
01-16-2010, 10:48 PM
Would you really have Crash above Dr. J? David Thompson? Vince Carter? Shawn Kemp? Oscar Robertson? Dennis Rodman? Hakeem? Spud Webb? Connie Hawkins? Charles Barkley?


Crash is one heck of an athlete, don't get me wrong. But he's not top 10 ALL TIME

BRNC
01-16-2010, 10:52 PM
...at least he is getting a nice "pitch" from the NBATV announcers...all three (tonight) are saying he should be an All-Star...Dennis Scott was talking about the 'Cats being a team to watch in the second half...the guys are earning respect at last...

teej
01-16-2010, 11:25 PM
Charles Barkley?

:confused:

That pudge isn't an athlete!

SWedd523
01-16-2010, 11:52 PM
:confused:

That pudge isn't an athlete!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvvSI2DRvF0

Really? Just because he didn't look athletic doesn't mean he wasn't a freak of nature. 6'4'' PF that averaged double digit rebounds and could lead the break and dunk on 7 footers? not bad for a pudge

kickazzz2000
01-17-2010, 12:25 AM
NBA Gametime on NBA TV was all over G Wall for all star tonight after the Suns blowout.

Bobcats were also Cheryl Millers choice for second half team to watch.

CTownSC
01-17-2010, 01:31 AM
Saw that too kickazzz...Miller also had Jack for best trade of the year so far

SirBobcat
01-17-2010, 01:47 AM
Maybe you weren't a basketball fan before Barkley's time, but when Barkley was in his prime he was definitely one of the NBA's best players. He shot very well from the field and he was always one of the best rebounders in the game. For an 11 year span, Barkley averaged at least 20 ppg and 10 rpg and he averaged at least 10 rpg for 15 consecutive seasons.

TBro
01-17-2010, 10:32 AM
There is far too much campaigning by professional analysts on TV to not have Gerald Wallace in this years All star game. He better make it... lol.

BRNC
01-17-2010, 11:38 AM
I just checked the TOP 10 (NBATV) from last night...the block by Crash was #2...