Tyson's role...

[CatNation]

So we have been amazing recently with Tyson in street clothes and thankfully it sounds like he'll be out a while longer. But what are we going to do with him when he is finally ready to play? He fits our defensive scheme right now but I just remember him destroying our team with turnovers. I've never seen someone have such difficulty catching a pass in the NBA.

I'm afraid he could stagnate our offense and be a momentum killer. Not to mention we have such good chemistry going right now. What do you guys think we should do with him?? Trade? Bring him off the bench? I don't know...

[BRNC]

...wait...are you saying he has a role...:evil-grin:

[RandomAtlantaHawkfan]

..I think you should really try to shop him for another Center. Tyson Chandler mind as well be in the D League without Chris Paul. If that doesn't work, bring him off the bench. He is a space eater, and will stop people from driving, forcing more jump shots. but unless you lob the ball, you basically lose a scoring option...outright releasing him would be stupid, since you gave up your first ever pick for him..which for the life of me I still can't figure out.

[CatNation]

Diop can't score a lick but the team doesn't suffer with him in because he plays within himself. And he sets good screens. Seems like Tyson fouls or sets illegal screens a LOT as well. Nazr+small>>>Tyson+Naz. Hope Larry knows what hes doing and isnt forced into playing the 10 million dollar man

[BRNC]

I really think you hit on Tyson's role...overpaid...:biggrin:

[DCAWFAN]

since bosh is gone after break for toronto why not just make a deal of Tyson, Hendo, and Acie Law for Bosh and Demar Derozan
or have tyson do some advertising for Tysons chicken!! http://responsiblemarketing.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/chicken-ionophores3.jpg

[Weezy21]

since bosh is gone after break for toronto why not just make a deal of Tyson, Hendo, and Acie Law for Bosh and Demar Derozan


please tell me ur joking

[BobcatsAllDay]

I think our interior defense will improve but on offense Boris will need to step up b/c his scoring will be needed even more w/ the limited options at Center w/ Tyson starting. Hopefully the adjustments will be limited.

[bozzy]

I think the Bobcats will need Tyson before the season is over with. People can crap all over him all they want, but right now, we aren't getting much out of the center position. Sure they have been solid, but Chandler can provide a more imposing presence on defense. If he can step his game up offensively, the Bobcats can reach another level.

[Ghost Kat]

Whatever they do LB needs to stop playing small ball with Diaw at C. We get killed on the boards when we go small. Diaw plays soft and making him the biggest man on the court IMO is a horrible idea.

Tyson doesn't have a role with this team. It's been clear from the start he doesn't fit. He's a turnover machine on offense and a foul machine on defense. Nazr has lost some of his luster over the past few games, He's looking old again. Diop plays his role, but offers nothing on offense. If we got a productive center i could live with Diaw playin like a lil girl. But Tyson can stay on the bench for all i care....We R still winning

[Toocool]

Tyson's role should be like Piston's Ben Wallace. Patrol the paint and block shots. However, Tyson should be more active on offense as he can score better than Big Ben. Besides that, I don't really see what we can get from Tyson really. Was kind of hoping for a 10/10, looking like I'll be optimistic for a 9/9 season average.

[DCW]

Im still willing to give him a chance, he could come around and play better. Shit, look at Diaw hes startin to improve his gm.

[TBro]

I agree with TooCool. Rebound, and block shots! If he focuses on those 2 things (without turning the rock over) he can be a huge help to our team.

[BRNC]

Im still willing to give him a chance, he could come around and play better. Shit, look at Diaw hes startin to improve his gm.

Well with Boris you can usually count on one solid game out of 5-6 games...he is not that consistent (my major knock) so you never really know what you'll get...

TC just seems to be glass...when he was a "Bull" I thought he was under-utilized...but after watching him (since he left the Bulls) I've concluded he is just "skill limited" (particularly offensive skills) and prone to injury...he is what he is....:shrug:

[ziggy]

Tyson's role should be to pick up LB's dry cleaning and make sure he gets the contributing players' cars thoroughly washed and detailed twice a week.

Basically the same role Sean May used to have.

[BRNC]

Tyson's role should be to pick up LB's dry cleaning and make sure he gets the contributing players' cars thoroughly washed and detailed twice a week.

Basically the same role Sean May used to have.

If I were one of the contributing players I'm not sure I'd trust TC with my car...it probably would come back broken...:blowup:

[Ghost Kat]

Tyson is done, before this phantom foot injury it was apparent his heart wasn't in it. That foot has nothing to do with fouls and fumbled passes. Knowing LB he'll put him right back in there and our TO's will increase again.

[GoBobs]

He played pretty good D on Dirk. It would be nice to see him healthy again.

[dnbman]

Im still willing to give him a chance, he could come around and play better. Shit, look at Diaw hes startin to improve his gm.

I'm with you. He's shown me enough moments to make me think he still has it in him to be a significant contributor.

One thing in his favor is everybody else around him knows what they're supposed to be doing. So, he'll have four guys letting him know what he needs to be doing to get him into the flow of the system.

Or he could be the world's most expensive carwash guy.

[bozzy]

If the Bobcats have to face the Cavs or Magic in the playoffs, they are going to need a healthy Chandler.

[BigMike]

Im still willing to give him a chance, he could come around and play better. Shit, look at Diaw hes startin to improve his gm.

The Bobcats had just beaten the San Antonio Spurs 92-76 on Friday night for their franchise record sixth-straight home win. But all they could think about was how good they could be if Diaw permanently ended his season-long funk and played like he did against the Spurs - 26 points and 11 rebounds - every night.
"I told him after the game that we're going to be hard to beat if he's aggressive," Jackson said. "There are not too many 4-men in this league that can handle the ball, shoot, pass at that size. I think he frees up a lot of stuff on the offensive end for me and Gerald (Wallace) when he can pick and pop or make plays for us."



Maybe a little peer pressure and confidence building will help him along the way.... anyone else notice how Capt. Jack has taken over as team leader?

[catsandheels]

when is tyson supposed to be back????

I want him gone by the deadline im gettin tired of him hurting our offense when hes in. Ill give him a few more games, i think sitting out will help him get his heart in the right place. We are winning without him against teams that are no doubt better than us. The only problem if we move tyson and we dont get a good center back in return is we all know nazr isnt going to be able to log all of those minutes and boris cant keep doing it at the 5.

If tysons back before deadline ill give him atleast 5 games if his heart is still in the wrong place package him with someone and get us someone who wants to play and wants to win that can catch the ball.

[spectre]

Maybe a little peer pressure and confidence building will help him along the way.... anyone else notice how Capt. Jack has taken over as team leader?

That's cuz he never shuts up! :p

He has a very outgoing personality, so it shouldn't come as a big surprise. He's also used to being the leader from his time in GSW.

[BRNC]

That's cuz he never shuts up! :p

He has a very outgoing personality, so it shouldn't come as a big surprise. He's also used to being the leader from his time in GSW.

I think it "sad" (lack of a better term) that Crash and Jax have had to get on "Doris"...for all the "what a great coach LB is at getting the best out of players" stuff...but even those two seem to able to get only one good game (are we back to every 5-6) out of him...Jax is the strong personality the team needed...and he has "game" to back it up...that said...

I know (for many) that because the team is playing such good ball we start to overlook some things...but I'm worried that if we don't find a solid back-up PF (to push Doris) we will have major problems in the play-offs...I just hope Rod can work some magic...

[murphman]

Tyson was back in his boot yesterday although they claim it just to keep it stabilized after the soft workout he had on Tuesday. Still, that sounds to me like he is still weeks away from playing.

I've got no problem with this at all. But I'm thinking his already weak trade value has pretty much dropped to zero unless we take back a very very bad contract from someone else.

I also think Diaw has earned his spot as a keeper. Yeah, we only get 15+ points a night from him every 5th game but we don't need that kind of contribution like we did last year. His court awareness, passing and other contributions are helping this team in ways the stats do not show.

[spectre]

This ought to fan the flames a little bit:


The NBA's Hottest Team (http://www.basketballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=876)

It does suggest in very stark terms that we've been playing much better without TC, but notice that we're not totally replacing his PT with Nazr/Gana; we're going small a lot more. Problem with that:


The downside of that strategy, and part of what makes the way Charlotte has played this month unsustainable, is that it has meant a lot of minutes for the Bobcats' starters. Wallace has averaged 43.4 minutes per game since Chandler went out, Jackson 40.0 and Diaw 37.3. Larry Brown has been relying heavily on that trio of players all year long, and an injury to any of them would be painful.

We still need TC, but LB doesn't need to force him into the lineup when he's finally healthy to play. As the article suggests keep using the small lineup and "ease" him in.

[dav7z]

I watched Mr,Chandler last night as i was right behind him . He was standing , laughing , Joking around with other people on the first row . It was like he didn't give a damn about the game. He wasn't high fiveing guys or even talking to any one on the team .I wanted to go hand him a scrub brush and some cleaner . And tell to do something to earn his money clean the damn tolits . That about all hes good for, I HOPE THE HELL HES DONE FOR THE SEASON . And hes so pissed off he lets us buy his contract out next season at a decent price .

[Crash'sHeadband]

Is there a way we can slowly bring Tyson back from his injury and when he gets healthy have him platoon with Nazr till he's 100%

[BRNC]

How about this as TCs role..."designated injured player"...that way no one else has to get an injury...:biggrin:

[bozzy]

How about this as TCs role..."designated injured player"...that way no one else has to get an injury...:biggrin:

That is all fine and dandy until you play Dwight Howard and we really need him.

[Shrimpy_Jackson]

Yeah I don't understand all the TC bashing. He's a part of our team, like it or not. If you look at the beginning of the year up the whole team was out of sorts and as time went on they began to spit hot fire. TC is 7 foot and athletic, give him some time to get back in the swing of things and I'm sure he'd benefit as well.

It's all about the team finally hitting their stride and playing in LB's system. That took time. Hopefully TC has been using his head and learning as much as possible while he's been out and it'll be a seamless transition.

I could be completely wrong, but I'd like to envision TC adding more to an already stout team instead of being a negative.

[Black]

Yeah I don't understand all the TC bashing. He's a part of our team, like it or not. If you look at the beginning of the year up the whole team was out of sorts and as time went on they began to spit hot fire. TC is 7 foot and athletic, give him some time to get back in the swing of things and I'm sure he'd benefit as well.

It's all about the team finally hitting their stride and playing in LB's system. That took time. Hopefully TC has been using his head and learning as much as possible while he's been out and it'll be a seamless transition.

I could be completely wrong, but I'd like to envision TC adding more to an already stout team instead of being a negative.


i agree, i think we turned a corner, but not because he isn't in....i think his minutes will be reduced, and he will be a solid contributor in a three center rotation

[ND22]

Here's a thought that I think could satisfy both the supporters and haters of TC.

When he comes back, keep Nazr as the starter and have him come off the bench. He can still play 25+ minutes a game, and those minutes would help ease the load that Wallace, JAX, and Nazr are taking right now. My reasoning behind this stems from the term, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." Our current starting lineup is 9-1 in 2010, we don't need to mix it up.

For those suggesting we trade him, who would take him? He hasn't proven anything this year other than re-assuring everyone that he is still injury prone. In my opinion he has little to no trade value. With that being said, I still think he can help us, if Doris Meow can finally start playing the way we expected him too so can TC.

[dav7z]

Yeah I don't understand all the TC bashing. He's a part of our team, like it or not. If you look at the beginning of the year up the whole team was out of sorts and as time went on they began to spit hot fire. TC is 7 foot and athletic, give him some time to get back in the swing of things and I'm sure he'd benefit as well.

It's all about the team finally hitting their stride and playing in LB's system. That took time. Hopefully TC has been using his head and learning as much as possible while he's been out and it'll be a seamless transition.

I could be completely wrong, but I'd like to envision TC adding more to an already stout team instead of being a negative.

The guy made his line in the sand when he started talking trash about Crash. After Crash said the team needed to hit the boards better . So the next game his toe is sore . 10 Games later his toe is still sore . Screw him we play much better with out him . Hes not good for the chemristy of this team at all .

BTW Diop would be a much bigger better cover on a Howard than a 220 pound soft Chandler. The guy is just a trash contract.

[Nata Fresh]

you know, I'm wondering, if we pulled up all of the threads from last year and looked at all of the comments about Nazr from last year...would they look anything like the Tyson Chandler hate that I'm reading now?? My point is that maybe it took a year for Nazr to learn LB's system, and it MIGHT take a year for Tyson to do so....

[Crash'sHeadband]

you know, I'm wondering, if we pulled up all of the threads from last year and looked at all of the comments about Nazr from last year...would they look anything like the Tyson Chandler hate that I'm reading now?? My point is that maybe it took a year for Nazr to learn LB's system, and it MIGHT take a year for Tyson to do so....

Remember Tyson doesn't have an entire year to learn the system unless we bring him back

[Nata Fresh]

Remember Tyson doesn't have an entire year to learn the system unless we bring him back
I thought Tyson had one more year on his contract?? And even then, unless we're trading Tyson for a LEGIT starting post player...then he'll be here next year

[dnbman]

you know, I'm wondering, if we pulled up all of the threads from last year and looked at all of the comments about Nazr from last year...would they look anything like the Tyson Chandler hate that I'm reading now?? My point is that maybe it took a year for Nazr to learn LB's system, and it MIGHT take a year for Tyson to do so....

Yeah, there's nothing wrong with changing your mind, but this place can definitely go to extremes pretty quickly.

The way I look at it, Brown can do whatever he wants with Chandler. The team has seen success without him. My guess is, Brown, with the team's support, will only play Chandler if it helps the team. Now, that's not to say that Chandler won't get some minutes that are initially to get him back into game shape. However, I don't see Brown continuing to give Chandler significant minutes if he's not contributing.

[amour217]

At the rate things are going, Tyson can keep on selling chicken

[Crash'sHeadband]

I thought Tyson had one more year on his contract?? And even then, unless we're trading Tyson for a LEGIT starting post player...then he'll be here next year

Nope..both him and Felts are gonna be unrestricted free agents this upcoming offseason.

[dnbman]

Nope..both him and Felts are gonna be unrestricted free agents this upcoming offseason.

Tyson's got a player option, which is far too good for him to not take. Unless he walks away from almost $13M, he'll be under contract next year.

[Crash'sHeadband]

Tyson's got a player option, which is far too good for him to not take. Unless he walks away from almost $13M, he'll be under contract next year.

Thanks dnb for the input...your gonna get a free Adam Morrison jersey in the mail with replica tears

[dav7z]

I really don't think Chandler will be back this season. If he does come back he needs to keep his mouth shut and play team ball. I was thair the last game he played he was pissed not hurt. I watched him walk off the floor pissed after another stupid foul . Then he says his toe is hurt . Hell he don't give a damn about the team winning or loseing. Thats why he don't get along with Wallace, Felton and JAX

[Ghost Kat]

I like the idea of Tyson coming off the bench. It's better then having Diaw at center.

[spectre]

Hoops, Home and Haiti - Tyson Chandler (http://www.tysonchandler.com/tyson-chandlers-blog/hoops-home-and-haiti/2010/01/20)

[Crash'sHeadband]

Hoops, Home and Haiti - Tyson Chandler (http://www.tysonchandler.com/tyson-chandlers-blog/hoops-home-and-haiti/2010/01/20)

There's no doubt that Tyson is an excellent person.But from what little I've seen of him in his time here it just doesn't seem he's really there on offense,he's a stud on defense but if he keeps on working with the offense and on his post up game he can be another key for our team.

[Shrimpy_Jackson]

I really don't think Chandler will be back this season. If he does come back he needs to keep his mouth shut and play team ball. I was thair the last game he played he was pissed not hurt. I watched him walk off the floor pissed after another stupid foul . Then he says his toe is hurt . Hell he don't give a damn about the team winning or loseing. Thats why he don't get along with Wallace, Felton and JAX

How do you know this? I realize he said something about wallace's comments being bull when crash called everybody out, but that was a while ago. It'd be ridiculous to still be pissed about that, plus the guys in NO really missed him when he left because they genuinely liked him.

That's what I remember hearing or reading somewhere when he left unless my brain just started crapping out fantastical nuggets of fake facts.

[teej]

Dav, I know you're at every game, and I know you see this stuff up close. But froms omeone who's missed games from injury/illness before, the easiest way to forget about that and not feel guilty about missing the game (s) is to joke around and talk to people. I have no problem with that. As far as his comments toward GW, remember that's a media guy spinning it, and I can tell you they both get along just fine.

But I'm not there, either.

[tondi]

We know Chandler will probably be back here next year but with his contract expiring after next season is it unreasonable to think we trade his large expring contract for picks or players to someone wanting to shed payroll after next season. Or are we that payroll shedding team? One would think a 13 mil expiring contract could bring us back some value unless we were set on reducing payroll instead.

[dav7z]

Dav, I know you're at every game, and I know you see this stuff up close. But froms omeone who's missed games from injury/illness before, the easiest way to forget about that and not feel guilty about missing the game (s) is to joke around and talk to people. I have no problem with that. As far as his comments toward GW, remember that's a media guy spinning it, and I can tell you they both get along just fine.

But I'm not there, either.

I hope you guys are right . I read his artical . The team is winning he might want to be a part . I hope it works out . But my gut tells me hes a big waste . He reminds me so much of MAY . You keep expecting something , Just a little work ethic like Felts or Wallace would help . I don't care about his talk now . Let him prove somthing on the floor then i will change my attitude. Hard work and busting ass gets results not just keep saying WHEN I GET WELL hell thats been over a year now. As far as at the games i havn't seen any love at all betwen the big three and Chandler at all . It might be worked out i hope so and i will addmit im wrong about the guy.

[Chef]

he's a bum and doesn't take his basketball career seriously. but, i like his contract much better than mek's.

[SWedd523]

Agreeing with Dav here. I was sitting just a couple of rows behind the bench at the Bucks game awhile back (thanks again Keetch!), and over the course of the ENTIRE game, Tyson was flirting with some rich dudes young girlfriend.

I would look over at the bench during a timeout, and he's sitting there talking to the chick. I would look over after a nice play or after somebody got subbed out, and while the rest of the guys are giving them high fives and stuff, he's staring at her ass.

Don't get me wrong, she was fine as can be. But dude seems like he is kind of taking a "Screw you" approach to the derisive comments from Crash, which I don't like at all.

[MrMelot]

I'm anticipating Chandler's return because I need the inside presence in NBA2k10. For some unknown reason Tyson is a baller in that game.

As far as real life play I hope he only ever gets limited minutes as the third string center. I don't think it's any sort of coincidence that we've gone on this tear without Tyson on the floor. He is a decent athlete, a subpar teammate, and a horrendous basketball player from an IQ/awareness standpoint. He makes Gana look like the Einstein of basketball.

[bozzy]

Agreeing with Dav here. I was sitting just a couple of rows behind the bench at the Bucks game awhile back (thanks again Keetch!), and over the course of the ENTIRE game, Tyson was flirting with some rich dudes young girlfriend.

I would look over at the bench during a timeout, and he's sitting there talking to the chick. I would look over after a nice play or after somebody got subbed out, and while the rest of the guys are giving them high fives and stuff, he's staring at her ass.

Don't get me wrong, she was fine as can be. But dude seems like he is kind of taking a "Screw you" approach to the derisive comments from Crash, which I don't like at all.

If a guy wants to stare at a girl during the game I could really care less. This isn't high school. His teammates don't need him jumping up and down cheering him on. I really don't see how that has any bearing on anything. I guess since May is gone, people need a guy to rag on. Tyson has been a solid teammate his whole career. I fail to see that changing in Charlotte no matter how much some people want to make it out like he's a bad teammate.

[Zoolander]

The last couple of games that I've seen during the homestand has shown Tyson to really be involved on the bench. I've seen him being the only guy standing up and clapping on a Crash steal and Dunk during the game on Wednesday. He was up and cheering and clapping during timeouts called by the opposing teams during a B-cats run. Sooo, I dunno, I think he's been involved and is eager to return to play for a winning team. His blog on his website says as much. He referred to the Cats as "MY" team. I'm no English scholar, but "MY" is possessive and shows ownership. That's one word he used repeatedly.

[Marvel]

If a guy wants to stare at a girl during the game I could really care less. This isn't high school. His teammates don't need him jumping up and down cheering him on. I really don't see how that has any bearing on anything. I guess since May is gone, people need a guy to rag on. Tyson has been a solid teammate his whole career. I fail to see that changing in Charlotte no matter how much some people want to make it out like he's a bad teammate.


..."need a guy to rag on" ....if he could catch a damn pass and stop being a foul machine we wouldn't "need to rag" on him.

[Shrimpy_Jackson]

..."need a guy to rag on" ....if he could catch a damn pass and stop being a foul machine we wouldn't "need to rag" on him.

How long has it been since he's played? If he comes back and he's still dropping passes like his hands are made of blocks, then please let all the "ragging" commence.

[dav7z]

How long has it been since he's played? If he comes back and he's still dropping passes like his hands are made of blocks, then please let all the "ragging" commence.

Hes missed 14 games with a sore toe ,Yes a hire line fracture thet didn't show up on a xray . Most could play and miss no time with that injery.Doctors and staff thought a week . Seven weeks later hes still out . I was three seats fror Herb and less than 10 from Chandler tonight . Belive me he can stand, walk ,joke and laugh . No i don't hate the guy i hate the way hes useing the team . No hes not like Felton who should not have been on the floor tonight . Ever time Felts stood up you could see the pain in his face . He would grit his teeth look up and start walking . Some how he was able to move out on the floor.

You see players like Felton , then see players like Chandler . Yes his actions pisses me off big time.

[Toocool]

If Chandler comes back at all, I wonder if he'll have any more excuses. His ankle should be fully healed after not doing much for 7 weeks. If he comes in, and gives sub-par stats, I'll be damn disappointed.

[mrtarheel]

I hate the fact that he is still sitting but we need this guy. Nazr can't hold up the rest of the season with big minutes. Diop is playing decent also but this guy does have some defensive presents about him. Besides the way our bigs are fouling we might need all three of them to finish the game. Going small ball isn't good so unless we could ship out one of our centers for a pf/c Drew Gooden type guy we need all three.

[Ghost Kat]

Gerald Wallace's mouth piece plays a bigger role on this team then Tyson

[GoBobs]

maybe tc and dj for amare

[teej]

maybe tc and dj for amare

Without a doubt. That's the easiest trade ever. DJ (despite Kat and Slam's desires otherwise) isn't the guy, and Ray is. We get Amar'e for this season's playoff push, and either he resign's with us or we get major salary relief and lose, well, not much (in DJ and TC).

[Marvel]

Me thinks Amare is going to be traded because something is wrong with the Suns

[Nata Fresh]

I had to ressurect this thread because I'm REALLY starting to think we're gonna need Tyson soon after Aldridge killed us last night..

[spectre]

The Team Bus, Coach Brown, a Rough Baby and CP3 - Tyson Chandler (http://www.tysonchandler.com/tyson-chandlers-blog/team-bus-coach-brown-rough-baby-cp3)

Good stuff about LB in there.

[BRNC]

nice read spectre...

[SWedd523]

He's not a very good writer...

[Slam]

It's exciting for me to know that once I come back, how much better we will be as a team and how dangerous we can be.
Maybe, maybe not?

[Marvel]

Tyson returning http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4897689

........UH OHhhhhhhhhhh

[spectre]

Notes

G Raymond Felton (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2753) twisted his ankle in practice and left the workout early to get treatment. Brown was uncertain if it would keep him out of Tuesday's game. ... Browns said several players, including Felton, Stephen Jackson (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=378) and Flip Murray, were ill in Saturday's loss to New Orleans. "As frustrated as I was, I know this team tries," Brown said. "So that's a blip." ... Murray will be Wallace's partner in one round of Saturday's All-Star dunk competition.

Good find Marvel.

[TheBeagle]

The quest for finding Chandler's role begins tonight apparently, as he will be active and get minutes off the bench.

****Thanks to toocool for the link on the "Felton rolls ankle" thread*****

[bighead39]

is it too late to trade chandler for okafor again?