The trade that can do it?

[dakingnc]

Let's see the bobcats fan knowledge and gm moves they would make if they ran the team?

[dakingnc]

Bobcats needs a Offensive Power Forward to make Tyson Chandler play strong in the center position. Some people wouldn't like this trade but the City of Charlotte and Fans would love it, and most likely it would happen. If you don't know what I'm getting at? I'm getting at making the Bobcats a contender in the 2010-2011 for the top 3 position in the East and maybe a championship run. Here's the Trade:

Charlotte Bobcats send:
1. D.J. Augustine PG
2. Boris Diaw PF
3. DeSagana Diop C
4. Stephen Graham F

TO

Phoenix Suns for:
1. Amara Stoudemire
2. Earl Clark

With this trade it will seal the backup spot for PF with Earl Clark and a superstar that will pack the gym and bring a more basketball sense to the city of Charlotte. Also a chance to lock up a Championship.

Charlotte Team would look like this by position:

PG: Raymond Felton, Acie Law,
SG: Stephen Jackson, Gerald Henderson, Flip Murray
SF: Gerald Wallace, Derrick Brown
PF: Amara Stoudemire, Earl Clark
C: Tyson Chandler, Nozar Mohammed, Alex Ajinca

Maybe a free agent signing that would give us a good bench of:
#1. Sean Williams- 6'10 PF with the Nets just waiving him
#2. Gerald Green- 6'8 SG/F free agent
#3. Rashad McCants- 6'4 G which could help rotate from SG to PG time to time with the above roster.

****THIS WOULD BE A CHAMPIONSHIP CALIBER TEAM HAVING THE CHANCE OF LEADING THE EAST.***** WHAT YOU'LL THINK?:biggrin::):confused::g:

[WarioVsMooChicken]

and why would Phoenix do that?

[dakingnc]

and why would Phoenix do that?

Phoenix would do it due to the fact that they looking to the future. They haven't won a championship with Amara? Plus Steve Nash is in his last years. D.J. can learn from Nash in his last years and become that type of player as Nash. D.J. doesn't fit into our program put him in Phoenix would be a future star. (Kevin Johnson, Jason Kidd) (D.J. type player all went and came through Phoenix and are legends).

Getting Boris Diaw back is a plus with him and barbosa playing together again with a plus Jason Richardson would be a better combo you don't have to worry about Amara shots or touches.

then you getting to bonus players Diop which would play better in Phoenix and Graham with the defense.

Phoenix would still have bigs that will help them stay in the top in the west with Robin Lopez C, Channing Frye PF/C, Jarron Collins PF/C, Louis Amundson PF, Adding Diop C.

This would still be Nash team with Suns having the problem now when Nash out the game the suns fall, adding D.J. would be excellent and they wouldn't miss a beat D.J. becoming more of a scorer and playing a fast tempo game allowing him and Jason Richardson to be something special. This would make both teams good for the future.

[ThaCoolest803]

My trade proposals: (Salaries not taken into consideration. Simply from a basketball perspective).

(1) DJ and Boris or Diop and Boris for David Lee.

They would not trade Lee unless it was for a marquee player, and especially not for DJ/Diop and Boris. But he would solve alot of problems for us. Cant hurt to dream.


(2) DJ for Nate Robinson.

Both have played a little better of late. However, since both of them are usually in their respective coaches doghouse or close to it, it may pay dividends for both teams to give each player a fresh start. Nate would be great from a marketing and sales perspective as well with his Dunk Contest exploits. And Charlotte fans love under 6 foot guards (Mugsy anyone)?

(3) Boris, Nazr, and Acie for Marcus Camby and Sabastian Telfair.

The strong point of this deal is Camby. Telfair is expendable and another scrub off of their bench could take his place in the trade.

[dakingnc]

My trade proposals: (Salaries not taken into consideration. Simply from a basketball perspective).

(1) DJ and Boris or Diop and Boris for David Lee.

They would not trade Lee unless it was for a marquee player, and especially not for DJ/Diop and Boris. But he would solve alot of problems for us. Cant hurt to dream.


(2) DJ for Nate Robinson.

Both have played a little better of late. However, since both of them are usually in their respective coaches doghouse or close to it, it may pay dividends for both teams to give each player a fresh start. Nate would be great from a marketing and sales perspective as well with his Dunk Contest exploits. And Charlotte fans love under 6 foot guards (Mugsy anyone)?

(3) Boris, Nazr, and Acie for Marcus Camby and Sabastian Telfair.

The strong point of this deal is Camby. Telfair is expendable and another scrub off of their bench could take his place in the trade.

We want to make Bobcats better, in my trade it was approved through ESPN TRADE MACHINE, Also I wouldn't give up Boris for Camby, Camby would be a injury concern, yes he's playing good now but you want to make Charlotte better. Keep Tyson give him someone to the right of him that want cause a double team that would be Amara, if you do that then Tyson would be a beast. But other then that the fans wouldn't like this trade. Wouldn't make Charlotte money or a championship contender.

[ThaCoolest803]

We want to make Bobcats better, in my trade it was approved through ESPN TRADE MACHINE, Also I wouldn't give up Boris for Camby, Camby would be a injury concern, yes he's playing good now but you want to make Charlotte better. Keep Tyson give him someone to the right of him that want cause a double team that would be Amara, if you do that then Tyson would be a beast. But other then that the fans wouldn't like this trade. Wouldn't make Charlotte money or a championship contender.

Just because it went through the ESPN TRADE MACHINE in all capital letters does not mean that the suns GM would be gaumless enough to make that trade. It doenst make sense basketball wise for them to trade their star and a future stud for stephen effin graham, Diop, and a player in Diaw they already traded. Tyson is a beast when Chris Paul is throwing him lobs, and Chris Paul is not on our team. Tyson is always injured as well, so why not go for Camby regardless of him being injury prone?

[dakingnc]

Just because it went through the ESPN TRADE MACHINE in all capital letters does not mean that the suns GM would be gaumless enough to make that trade. It doenst make sense basketball wise for them to trade their star and a future stud for stephen effin graham, Diop, and a player in Diaw they already traded. Tyson is a beast when Chris Paul is throwing him lobs, and Chris Paul is not on our team. Tyson is always injured as well, so why not go for Camby regardless of him being injury prone?

No, with the talent that's coming into out of the College and the talent Forwards that's on the Suns, this trade would be excellent. You need to have a PG (Steve Nash, D.J.) then you I have Jason Richardson without Amara on the team Jason plays better get more opportunity, Suns GM has said it plenty of times they want Boris back... Get Boris Back and give away Amara and Earl (rookie) for DJ and Boris plus Graham(rookie), & Diop.... Let's make this happen. Don't have to worry about paying Amara, also Graham contract out at the end of the season if I want him I can choose to keep him or also sign him for less money then what's he's currently getting. D.J. would be signed for mid term contract (learning from Steve). Diop Contract is also up in 2 years, or maybe package him with another trade. This would be a plus for the Phoenix staff. J-Rich is a star, Steve is a star, Barbosa is a star, Diaw would be a star in this organization. Channing Frye stepping up becoming the star and doing what Amara was doing. Why wouldn't they accept this trade be under the luxury tax and see if Bobcats will pay for Amara.

As for the Camby situation..... That would be the worst move to make, That would compare to giving Larry Johnson 84 million dollar contract BAD MISTAKE!!!!, WHAT WOULD CAMBY DO FOR THE BOBCATS? Felton can throw those alleys and like I said Tyson has to have an offensive threat on his side down low to be good he had David West bring Amara here and you would see the same.


Another Reason Amara hasn't won them a Championship and want, why waste money on him. Basketball will make money in Phoenix with him or without him stadium will stay pack as long as Steve Nash is there.

[ND22]

I just don't see the Suns trading Amara. Plus, Boris hasn't been consistent enough this year for him to have that amount of trade value. Yes he's playing better as of late but overall his play is down from last year, which is why he's gotten the nickname "Doris Meow" from many of us here. Same thing goes for DJ, playing better as of late but struggling overall this year.

[ThaCoolest803]

No, with the talent that's coming into out of the College and the talent Forwards that's on the Suns, this trade would be excellent. You need to have a PG (Steve Nash, D.J.) then you I have Jason Richardson without Amara on the team Jason plays better get more opportunity, Suns GM has said it plenty of times they want Boris back... Get Boris Back and give away Amara and Earl (rookie) for DJ and Boris plus Graham(rookie), & Diop.... Let's make this happen. Don't have to worry about paying Amara, also Graham contract out at the end of the season if I want him I can choose to keep him or also sign him for less money then what's he's currently getting. D.J. would be signed for mid term contract (learning from Steve). Diop Contract is also up in 2 years, or maybe package him with another trade. This would be a plus for the Phoenix staff. J-Rich is a star, Steve is a star, Barbosa is a star, Diaw would be a star in this organization. Channing Frye stepping up becoming the star and doing what Amara was doing. Why wouldn't they accept this trade be under the luxury tax and see if Bobcats will pay for Amara.

As for the Camby situation..... That would be the worst move to make, That would compare to giving Larry Johnson 84 million dollar contract BAD MISTAKE!!!!, WHAT WOULD CAMBY DO FOR THE BOBCATS? Felton can throw those alleys and like I said Tyson has to have an offensive threat on his side down low to be good he had David West bring Amara here and you would see the same.


Another Reason Amara hasn't won them a Championship and want, why waste money on him. Basketball will make money in Phoenix with him or without him stadium will stay pack as long as Steve Nash is there.

For the record, i would love to have Amare and i did not advocate Tyson being traded. None of those four players is equal to Amare. Jason Richardson and Barbosa are not stars.....at all.....ever. They are scorers and nice players but their roles stop there. And to say Channing Frye is doing what Amare was doing is preposterous. Hes a good player but will never be able to shoulder the load Amare has to.
We need a power forward and Camby fits the bill. I believe you are putting too much stock in the one year Chandler was nice. That was the only year he put up the numbers he was supposed to being a top 3 pick. And Camby can actually catch the basketball when thrown to him and shoot a 15-18 foot jump shot

[dakingnc]

I just don't see the Suns trading Amara. Plus, Boris hasn't been consistent enough this year for him to have that amount of trade value. Yes he's playing better as of late but overall his play is down from last year, which is why he's gotten the nickname "Doris Meow" from many of us here. Same thing goes for DJ, playing better as of late but struggling overall this year.

You got to understand this Boris already knows Phoenix play style Boris would go back there and be a beast. DJ is a fast, slashing, scoring guard, which is the same type of player Nash is, DJ also can pass put him in phoenix would work excellent. Graham is a nice shooter, and defensive player have him running the sideline and learning from Grant Hill would make him a killer threat on the Suns. Diop would be a great defensive player down low which would work for the suns but most likely he would be package in a trade to get something else.

Trust me this would work excellent, why would you turn down a trade like this if you was Phoenix? This would be the trade you want to give Amara away with.

REALGM TRADING CHECKER

http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5393594

ESPN TRADE MACHINE

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yjby63l

With players like Dexter Pittman C/PF of TX, Gani Lawal PF Georgia Tech, Michael Washington PF Ark., this will be a talented Draft which they would take advantage of. And even if they have a losing season in 2010-2011 season they will have a chance to bring in a to put the organization back to the top.

But the Suns would have a better chemistry with Nash, J-Rich, barbosa, Diaw, Channig Frye as starters. D.J., Goran, Stephen Graham, Grant Hill, Louise Amundson, Jared Dudley, Taylor Griffin, Robin Lopez, Jarron Collins, D. Diop coming off the bench.

[ebrown]

Dakingnc,


You have come up with some stupid stuff lately in your posts.

[docend24]

Bobcats needs a Offensive Power Forward to make Tyson Chandler play strong in the center position. Some people wouldn't like this trade but the City of Charlotte and Fans would love it, and most likely it would happen. If you don't know what I'm getting at? I'm getting at making the Bobcats a contender in the 2010-2011 for the top 3 position in the East and maybe a championship run. Here's the Trade:

Charlotte Bobcats send:
1. D.J. Augustine PG
2. Boris Diaw PF
3. DeSagana Diop C
4. Stephen Graham F

TO

Phoenix Suns for:
1. Amara Stoudemire
2. Earl Clark

With this trade it will seal the backup spot for PF with Earl Clark and a superstar that will pack the gym and bring a more basketball sense to the city of Charlotte. Also a chance to lock up a Championship.

Charlotte Team would look like this by position:

PG: Raymond Felton, Acie Law,
SG: Stephen Jackson, Gerald Henderson, Flip Murray
SF: Gerald Wallace, Derrick Brown
PF: Amara Stoudemire, Earl Clark
C: Tyson Chandler, Nozar Mohammed, Alex Ajinca

Maybe a free agent signing that would give us a good bench of:
#1. Sean Williams- 6'10 PF with the Nets just waiving him
#2. Gerald Green- 6'8 SG/F free agent
#3. Rashad McCants- 6'4 G which could help rotate from SG to PG time to time with the above roster.

****THIS WOULD BE A CHAMPIONSHIP CALIBER TEAM HAVING THE CHANCE OF LEADING THE EAST.***** WHAT YOU'LL THINK?:biggrin::):confused::g:
Think anything you want to me it is a downgrade. Good to see Diop's contract gone but impact wise I'm not sure Amar'e IN fricking CHARLOTTE is a good thing, it oculd even turn Jax into the bad version because not all players would be on the same page anymore.

[SCBobcat]

How did I get into this thread and where is the fastest way out???

[TattoodCats4life]

Here's one that works for us and works on the trade machine...

Steven Graham for DeJuan Blair :rolleyes:

Ever more fun, Boris and TC for Dirk :)

Now we just need to get Cuban REALLY REALLY REALLY drunk while playing some golf with MJ and have MJ make a friendly wager :)

Wait just had a better idea...

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yhez2nj fun to consider ;)

[spectre]

Serious suggestion:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yfsdmfx

3 way:

CHA out: Jinx, Hendo, DJ
CHA in: Jefferies, Hill, Douglas, MIL protected 1st

NY out: Jefferies, Hill, Douglas
NY in: DJ, AC Law, Warrick

MIL out: Warrick, protected 1st
MIL in: Hendo, Jinx

Why CHA does it: Shores up the 4 with an LB player and some potential in Hill. MIL 1st doesn't hurt.

Why NY does it: PG of the future, gets out of Jefferies 2nd year.

Why MIL does it: Gives up a cheap 1 yr FA signing for 2 potential guys...one of which also fits a need at SG in Hendo. IMO the 1st helps to even it up somewhat.

Why CHA probably won't do it: This trade probably inches us over the LT by about 800k. I originally did it without Douglas but I wanted another alternative at backup PG besides Flip.

Worsens the salary next year (bigtime).

[ammofan]

We don't need to trade Boris unless we are getting a better PF in return(Amare, Boozer, Jamison)

I just read on RealGM that the Wiz may settle for expiring contracts and/or draft picks for Butler/Jamison. Why dont we try and offer some junk to them for Jamison? See if we can get him without trading Diaw and then we have Jamison starting with Diaw off the bench.
Or we can trade Chandler and Law for Jamison?

[Fred Williamson]

Jamison is not better than Diaw.

[ammofan]

Jamison is not better than Diaw.

R U Kidding? Yes he is........

[Weezy21]

man i love the idea of having jamison with diaw off the bench...or having boozer or amare...but it poses a huge threat...i personally like the offense going thru jackson an wallace....im afraid if we get any of the big 3 available, or even murphy, that our whole game plan will be messed up

any of the big names are gunna want their fair share of touches...just dont know how that would affect our team...we r playing great right now...do we really wanna jeopardize that??

i would rather make a move for somebody like yi jianlian, haslem, wilcox, gooden, or tyrus

this way we wont have to give up a whole lot and it keeps gerald, jackson, an felton as our 3 focal points

[spectre]

But what about my 3 way? Granted it doesn't have any blonde pornstars in it, but still.

[Toocool]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yzvyeo5r (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine)
Char In: J.J Hickson, Daniel Green
Cleve In: Acie Law.

Char why? Charlotte needs a backup PF. Hickson has great potential and is a hard worker. And he's a tarheel. He can play decent defense. Green is there to balance the trade. We aren't using Law at all, might as well give him to a team who needs him.

Cleveland why? Acie Law gives them another PG which they desperately need, especially since Mo. has gone down with an injury.
(http://log.go.com/log?srvc%3dsz%26guid%3d15838256-B128-4A96-B8B0-076E990A9C4F%26drop%3d0%26addata%3d0:61424:602700: 63%26a%3d1%26goto%3dhttp%3A//bs.serving-sys.com/BurstingPipe/BannerRedirect.asp%3FFlightID%3D1223230%26Page%3D% 26PluID%3D0%26Pos%3D920)

[Chef]

cleveland turns this down before we can even finish saying a.c. they need a back up point guard. not a d-league back up point guard.

[Weezy21]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yzvyeo5r (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine)
Char In: J.J Hickson, Daniel Green
Cleve In: Acie Law.

Char why? Charlotte needs a backup PF. Hickson has great potential and is a hard worker. And he's a tarheel. He can play decent defense. Green is there to balance the trade. We aren't using Law at all, might as well give him to a team who needs him.

Cleveland why? Acie Law gives them another PG which they desperately need, especially since Mo. has gone down with an injury.
(http://log.go.com/log?srvc%3dsz%26guid%3d15838256-B128-4A96-B8B0-076E990A9C4F%26drop%3d0%26addata%3d0:61424:602700: 63%26a%3d1%26goto%3dhttp%3A//bs.serving-sys.com/BurstingPipe/BannerRedirect.asp%3FFlightID%3D1223230%26Page%3D% 26PluID%3D0%26Pos%3D920)

u got this mixed up...danny green is the tarheel an like chef said...cavs turn this down reallllllly quick

[Weezy21]

But what about my 3 way? Granted it doesn't have any blonde pornstars in it, but still.

ur trade isnt bad...im not big on jefferies or hill tho....heres another 3 team trade

bobcats trade: henderson, law
bobcats get: wilcox

c- naz, tyson, diop
pf- diaw, wilcox
sf- wallace, UPS, graham
sg- jack, flip
pg- ray, dj

pistons trade: RIP, wilcox, atkins, 1st rounder
pistons get: josh howard, henderson, law

pistons do this to get out of RIP's deal and can be players in FA this year

mavs trade: josh howard
mavs get: RIP, atkins, pistons 1st

they are in the win now mentality and this allows mavs to start RIP an put terry as their 6th man

[ALuhrs704]

i just read on yahoo that "the surging bobcats are in the market for a power forward and may be dangling guard DJ Augistine"

i think if we can get a solid 4 who will be willing to come off bench for DJ its a must. we can do some damage this yr in playoffs and dj is not the pg of the future. his d is just not good enough, and he is too inconsistent on offense. we gotta resign ray ray tho.

[Slam]

Serious suggestion:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yfsdmfx

3 way:

CHA out: Jinx, Hendo, DJ
CHA in: Jefferies, Hill, Douglas, MIL protected 1st

NY out: Jefferies, Hill, Douglas
NY in: DJ, AC Law, Warrick

MIL out: Warrick, protected 1st
MIL in: Hendo, Jinx

Why CHA does it: Shores up the 4 with an LB player and some potential in Hill. MIL 1st doesn't hurt.

Why NY does it: PG of the future, gets out of Jefferies 2nd year.

Why MIL does it: Gives up a cheap 1 yr FA signing for 2 potential guys...one of which also fits a need at SG in Hendo. IMO the 1st helps to even it up somewhat.

Why CHA probably won't do it: This trade probably inches us over the LT by about 800k. I originally did it without Douglas but I wanted another alternative at backup PG besides Flip.

Worsens the salary next year (bigtime).
I'd probably do it - although I would rather something like Law straight up for Warrick

[Weezy21]

just saw a proposal on realgm from a philly fan that im all for

Bobcats get: lou williams and jason smith

76ers get: dj, henderson, lexy

i would definitely do it!...i like lou a lot...he plays good defense and having him am ray would be a great 1-2 punch...id b a lil worried tho that he wants to be the main guy...he avgerages 2 minutes shy of what felton averages...dont kno how he would feel going to the back up role...provides insurance if felton leaves tho

i've also really liked what i've seen from jason smith so far...he's a big 7 ft guy who would provide solid D...i would make the move tho for sure

[spectre]

I'd probably do it - although I would rather something like Law straight up for Warrick

From reading on the Bucks' board I don't think we'd like him. Seems like he's kind of weak in the paint offensively and is more an inconsistent midrange face up shooter. I also don't think he's a strong defender. That's basically from memory.

On the RGM NY board they said LB was the one who wanted the Jefferies trade from WAS; with his defense he's obviously a Larry Brown type of player.

That's for him. Getting Hill is some potential tho not as good IMO for the potential we'd be giving up.

I don't necessarily like it as what we could maybe get valuewise doing something else, but this just seemed like an LB type of trade.

Course we'd never get all this close to even...most likely not get the pick minimum.

[Dcarnys]

I heard somthing about this earlier in the year and I think it could work

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yhmjdqs

We give up
Diaw
DJ

Indiana gives up

Troy Murphy

[SWedd523]

I heard somthing about this earlier in the year and I think it could work

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yhmjdqs

We give up
Diaw
DJ

Indiana gives up

Troy Murphy
Do it in a heartbeat. Get them to throw in a pick or something and I'm down.

[ALuhrs704]

no. troy murphy for dj and diaw???? i dont think that makes us better at all. diaw is a solid 4 when his head is right, and lately it has been. and now with raymond out we cant just throw dj in a trade for murphy. just not worth it. unless murphy is expiring......

[ALuhrs704]

this is a trade that i like
Bobcats get: Al Jefferson, Ramon Sessions
T'Wolves get: dj, henderson, and diaw

wont happen but its fun.

[Toocool]

Al Jefferson would be the icing on the cake. Double double guy who scores well, defends and rebounds the ball. Unfortunately you're right. Won't ever happen. Anyway, I'm not too keen on Sessions. All he can do is slash.

[mrtarheel]

Just read a question on a chat in hoopsworld that proposed a trade of Dj for Farmar and Powell? That isn't that bad of a trade where as we get a backup pg and pf all in one trade. Powell played with Jackson out in GS and is a decent pf. Has some post moves and is a local talent. The question would be could we get Farmar to sign back with us in the offeseason. He is a good pg, defensive, can shoot, distributes the ball and is use to coming off the bench. Would he take 3 to 4 mill to back up Ray at about 6 to 7 mil. That would have us at about 10 million in pg play which isn't that bad for two decent young pgs. Dj could go on and become an elite pg but we would only face him twice a year. Besides if you can shoot Kobe can make anyone an allstar besides Ammo.

[teej]

I don't know, it's a solid deal for this season, but I don't want to go into the offseason with no PG's on the roster and no first round pick...

[mrtarheel]

I don't know, it's a solid deal for this season, but I don't want to go into the offseason with no PG's on the roster and no first round pick...

I'm sure Felts and his agent can give a wink deal for now at about 6.5 to 7 mil allowing us to pursue other deals to make the team better. I don't think he would pull a Boozer on us seeing that he wants to be here.

[teej]

^Not if the rumors from last year were true, that he wanted 9-10 per.

And he's improved his play significantly. He won't get it, but he's worth 12...

[spectre]

Is Powell worth that? He'd better be...I like DJ on both sides of the ball a lot better than I like Farmar.