BCP Make Love 2 Pressure Tshirt

[teej]

This is mainly for Ziggy, but I figured other should chime in.

Ok. So Stephen Jackson makes love to pressure, right? We've got that figured out. And BCP hasn't had a new t-shirt since the diner one. Well, I got an idea. We need a Stephen Jackson t-shirt in the Obama "Change" style that says "Make love to pressure."

Like this:
http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x234/teejhoyt92/make-love-2-pressure.png

Then put it on a blue t-shirt with the BCP link on the back.

Other idea. You know how we have been lacking a nickname for Raymond since the beginning of his career, besides "that guy who doesn't pass at the end of the game"? Well, in honor of his increased accuracy, how about the Ray Gun? *crickets* okay, yeah, that sucked, but I had to have something interesting for you to open the post.

[jazzer89]

I love the pic teej

[TheBeagle]

I love the pic teej Ditto that! If ziggy can get it done, I'm down for an XXL!

Awesomeness, teej!

[Toocool]

Felton, I don't know why but I call him several nicknames. Rayray, Felts, Tonberry.

As for the shirt? It's awesome. If we could get it made, I would buy it and you can send it over to Australia for me, I'll pay via paypal

[ziggy]

I like it!

Is there any trouble that we can get into using Stephen Jackson's image without his permission though?

[Dcarnys]

Looks great, when do you think you're gonna get them made? (I'm a bit broke right now:(.

[truDUKEfan]

Sign me up i'll take 2 large and a small and what about Raymond "cant miss the barn" Felton or Raymond "Zues" Phelton <--God of rain

[dav7z]

This is mainly for Ziggy, but I figured other should chime in.

Ok. So Stephen Jackson makes love to pressure, right? We've got that figured out. And BCP hasn't had a new t-shirt since the diner one. Well, I got an idea. We need a Stephen Jackson t-shirt in the Obama "Change" style that says "Make love to pressure."

Like this:
http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x234/teejhoyt92/make-love-2-pressure.png

Then put it on a red t-shirt with the BCP link on the back.

Other idea. You know how we have been lacking a nickname for Raymond since the beginning of his career, besides "that guy who doesn't pass at the end of the game"? Well, in honor of his increased accuracy, how about the Ray Gun? *crickets* okay, yeah, that sucked, but I had to have something interesting for you to open the post.

Love the shirt would have loved to have been sporting in the last home game . When i got to speak to him and shake his hand.

[jdsingar]

Count me in for a large. That image is sweet.

[teej]

Okay guys, I can get that shirt, with the picture going pretty much all the way across the front, and nothing on the back, for about $14 apiece cost to make if there's a solid ordering base. Now, it'd be a tiny bit extra for a BCP address on the back, and I'd need a permanent, no going back order from you guys to do it; how many are ordered changes the amount. The minimum buy is 6 shirts, which costs $35 per, and I'm not willing to do that, so I'd need a lot more. Maybe 20 or so? Also, there's the matter of shipping. They can ship them free to me, but I have to ship them, in some cases, international, to you guys, which is very expensive and risky. I'm open to ideas, but unless a TON of you want them, I can't see a way below $20 per shirt. Are you guys willing to do that?

PS: I've made shirts with this group before for school groups and such, they are very reliable and the most cost effective, and if you're wondering the shirt would be a Champion tagless Navy t.

Any questions or concerns? I really want to make these, but you guys have to help.

[teej]

Is there any trouble that we can get into using Stephen Jackson's image without his permission though?

Jack? Not at all.

Bobcats/NBA/whoever took the pic? Maybe, but I highly, highly doubt they'd go after a couple kids (I'm 17, remember) making fan t-shirts and not earning any profit. They'd get negative press and turn away the few fans the Bobcats have. From a PR standpoint, as long as we aren't making money, which I certainly am not in it for, then they won't do anything, if they could, which I don't even know. It could be totally fair use, with no possible legal action if they wanted to. If it ever gets outside members of the forum, though, I'll run it by MT. But as long as it's just us, it's fine.

Edit: It's like the music industry. They aren't going after the neighborhood kids who copied each others cds onto each others iPods, theyre going after the bootleg cd sellers in China.

[ziggy]

you can print up t-shirts on demand through cafepress. I have an old account with them so I will take a look when I get home to see what their rates look like.

[Weezy21]

well if ur takin orders, il buy a large

[teej]

So far I've got:

S - truDUKEfan
M -
L - truDUKEfan (2), jdsingar, weezy21
XL - teej
XXL - TheBeagle
XXXL -

[polarcat]

i'd be in....put me down for a medium. that image and idea is beautiful! my only other bobcats tee is starting to fade, so i am in need of a new one, and i'd love to rep the bcp. let's make this happen!

teej....do you live in charlotte? if so, i can meet up with you so that would be one less you would have to ship.

[teej]

S - truDUKEfan
M - polarcat
L - truDUKEfan (2), jdsingar, weezy21
XL - teej
XXL - TheBeagle
XXXL -

Updated

No I'm in HICK-ry. But I think the best way to take care of the distribution would be for either them to be shipped to Ziggy or to one of the STH's, but that'd be hard to coordinate. Maybe get them to Tattoed at the meetup game for most, and leave however many are necessary with a CLT BCP member? Then ship the rest out? idk. It doesn't matter until we place the order, so we have a little bit.

[dnbman]

Jack? Not at all.

Bobcats/NBA/whoever took the pic? Maybe, but I highly, highly doubt they'd go after a couple kids (I'm 17, remember) making fan t-shirts and not earning any profit. They'd get negative press and turn away the few fans the Bobcats have. From a PR standpoint, as long as we aren't making money, which I certainly am not in it for, then they won't do anything, if they could, which I don't even know. It could be totally fair use, with no possible legal action if they wanted to. If it ever gets outside members of the forum, though, I'll run it by MT. But as long as it's just us, it's fine.

Edit: It's like the music industry. They aren't going after the neighborhood kids who copied each others cds onto each others iPods, theyre going after the bootleg cd sellers in China.

Teej, with the exception of the "2," I love the design for the shirt. Well done.

The use of the image is unquestionably a rights violation. It's not so much that you are NOT profiting on it so much as it can be proven to take away sales of licensed Bobcats merchandise. The possibility of adversely affecting sales is always the bottom line with copyright. Teachers even have to be careful of copyright for student handouts, and they get a special break for education reasons.

As far as your comparison to music, you're probably right that nobody would really care. However, Jackson, the Bobcats, and possibly the Players Association and the NBA could get upset about it. Print at your own risk!

[teej]

Teej, with the exception of the "2," I love the design for the shirt. Well done.

The app I was using had a ten character limit.


The use of the image is unquestionably a rights violation. It's not so much that you are NOT profiting on it so much as it can be proven to take away sales of licensed Bobcats merchandise. The possibility of adversely affecting sales is always the bottom line with copyright. Teachers even have to be careful of copyright for student handouts, and they get a special break for education reasons.

Seeing as they have no sales to report, it doesn't matter. :p

All kidding aside, it's not a Bobcats image, and they haven't made any Jackson t-shirts. So I doubt they are affected at all by it, because those interested in buying a Bobcats team store tshirt aren't going to buy a BCP shirt, and vise versa. And as far as the rights violation, what about BCP's logo? But anyways...


As far as your comparison to music, you're probably right that nobody would really care. However, Jackson, the Bobcats, and possibly the Players Association and the NBA could get upset about it. Print at your own risk!

Jackson couldn't do anything if he was upset (which I HIGHLY doubt. I think he'd laugh his ass off and be thrilled) because when he's out there, he signs off on any of his image being used by the NBA/Bobcats for their profit. Seeing as how it costs more than any of their t-shirts on a per shirt basis and there's no profit or "clean" version, I doubt the PA or NBA will do anything.

BTW. What about the fan t-shirts that Delonte's fans made about KFC or something? I know there are plenty of "fan" shirts. If I have to, I could fuzz over the Charlotte part of his jersey...

[dnbman]

The app I was using had a ten character limit.



Seeing as they have no sales to report, it doesn't matter. :p

It doesn't matter if they have a sales report. It matters that you have made a product which competes with their POTENTIAL to make a profit. See Disney.


All kidding aside, it's not a Bobcats image, and they haven't made any Jackson t-shirts. So I doubt they are affected at all by it, because those interested in buying a Bobcats team store tshirt aren't going to buy a BCP shirt, and vise versa. And as far as the rights violation, what about BCP's logo? But anyways...

I think the BCP logo is a rights violation, but they clearly don't care or are looking the other way. If you notice, most legitimate sports sites have agreements with the league to use the logos and likenesses.


Jackson couldn't do anything if he was upset (which I HIGHLY doubt. I think he'd laugh his ass off and be thrilled) because when he's out there, he signs off on any of his image being used by the NBA/Bobcats for their profit. Seeing as how it costs more than any of their t-shirts on a per shirt basis and there's no profit or "clean" version, I doubt the PA or NBA will do anything.

I also doubt the league or Jackson would do anything. But don't confuse response with the rule. Cops may not pull people unless they're going 10 over, but they can pull you for 1 over any day they want.

On a side note, Shepard Fairey is still in litigation over his use of the Obama photograph, which was taken in the open public.

Again, it's probably cool to print the shirts, but you don't have the legal rights to do so.

BTW. What about the fan t-shirts that Delonte's fans made about KFC or something? I know there are plenty of "fan" shirts. If I have to, I could fuzz over the Charlotte part of his jersey...[/QUOTE]

[teej]

On a side note, Shepard Fairey is still in litigation over his use of the Obama photograph, which was taken in the open public.

:facepalm:

Regardless of our tshirts, because his image and design made a huge profit and were known around the world, I think that him even being brought in over it is insane. But that's just me. No reason to punish creativity.

And if the BCP logo is a rights violation too, then I don't see any problems in our future :). Ya know, it's illegal to let a minor smoke or drink, but you go to most families and that's occured. Or not paying full taxes. And on and on. People break laws without even knowing it. Because this country is effed up.

[Jennings]

I'd take a large. I love the shirt. Let me know how to pay and the shipping aspect. Not sure how all that works.

[teej]

S - truDUKEfan
M - polarcat
L - truDUKEfan (2), jdsingar, weezy21, Jennings
XL - teej
XXL - TheBeagle
XXXL -


Should be good. I have no idea how these shirts go as far as sizes, so order maybe one up than normal (what I did), just so it's not too small.

Also, I know toocool and dav indicated interest, what size you guys want?

[ajbry]

I applaud your enthusiasm and, as the preeminent Jack fan on the planet, I wanted to help you out:

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/2528/jackht.png

[ziggy]

^
That is friggin AWESOME!!!!!

[dnbman]

I applaud your enthusiasm and, as the preeminent Jack fan on the planet, I wanted to help you out:

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/2528/jackht.png

That is pretty sweet. Though, you might change it to "make" so it's a message instead of a tagline.

Man, I'm the killjoy today.

[SWedd523]

If we were to vote, I'd have to go for the second one. (with no offense to teej because the first one is pretty cool also)

[slicedbread]

I've registered just so I can say I'd want a XXL. Great pic

[teej]

That is pretty sweet. Though, you might change it to "make" so it's a message instead of a tagline.

Man, I'm the killjoy today.

Heh I told him the same thing in the PM he sent me.

But seriously, ajbry, that's amazing. I stand in awe. :bowdown:

Just check your pms

[teej]

If we were to vote, I'd have to go for the second one. (with no offense to teej because the first one is pretty cool also)

None taken man, so would I. :p

[ziggy]

I love them both, but the 2nd one has the added benefit of not getting me sued :biggrin:. I doubt that they would, but better safe than sorry.

[Zoolander]

Very nice shirt Teej. I know I'm a newbie, but how about Ray "Mondo" Felton? For some reason I always calls him mondo after hearing that stupid netflix commercial on the radio. After Ray Ray's recent sharpshooting expertise we can call him Raymon-ey Felton? Terrible, I know..:facepalm:

[ajbry]

Here's the updated version, the 'Fill the arena and get seen on SportsCenter' version:

http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/5161/jack2.png

Oh, and just wanted to state that of course this isn't the native size of the image itself (this is approximately 1/4 the actual size).

[ziggy]

Oh, and just wanted to state that of course this isn't the native size of the image itself (this is approximately 1/4 the actual size).

Can you PM or email me the full sized one?

admin AT bobcatsplanet.com

[dnbman]

Here's the updated version, the 'Fill the arena and get seen on SportsCenter' version:

http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/5161/jack2.png

Oh, and just wanted to state that of course this isn't the native size of the image itself (this is approximately 1/4 the actual size).

How about sigs?

Maybe we should put together a coffee table book of "Make Love to Pressure" prints.

[ajbry]

Can you PM or email me the full sized one?

admin AT bobcatsplanet.com

Certainly, email has been sent!

[SWedd523]

I'll take a Medium

[teej]

S - truDUKEfan
M - polarcat, swedd523, liquidwayno
L - truDUKEfan (2), jdsingar, weezy21, Jennings, liquidwayno
XL - teej, liquidwayno
XXL - TheBeagle, slicedbread
XXXL -


Anyone else?

Edit: added liquidwayno

[ziggy]

Below is the Cafepress version of this shirt in gray. I haven't had a chance to play with the shirt colors much, or add anything to the back, but it's still damned cool.

What do you guys think?



http://images7.cafepress.com/product/429564017v0_480x480_Front_Color-AshGrey.jpg

[teej]

Okay, I worked on this at customink. Here's what I came up with. This is a Canvas Jersey T, which is one of the higher quality t's they have. Remember that when finished, the graphic will totally blend in with the t, and that they have a guy work on the image to match the t before it goes in. With all requests right now and a couple assumptions, it'd be $20 per person, not counting how we got it to you. But that's after one day, and it goes down in price as more people sign up. Ziggy, your (cafepress) move. :p

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x234/teejhoyt92/wm-front.jpg
http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x234/teejhoyt92/wm-back.jpg

Honestly, I think we should let Aaron decide, since he made the logo.

[ajbry]

That's what I'm talking about, looks great, particularly since it'll all blend.

I'd like the artwork to be as big as is aesthetically acceptable. Not ridiculously huge, but large enough where it's all visible (and discernable) from a reasonable distance.

Aside from that, great job! That site seems reputable too.

EDIT: One last thing. In regards to WWW.BOBCATSPLANET.com on the back, I think it'd look great in white and in a font such as Helvetica, something simple and classy.

[TheBeagle]

Okay, I worked on this at customink. Here's what I came up with. This is a Canvas Jersey T, which is one of the higher quality t's they have. Remember that when finished, the graphic will totally blend in with the t, and that they have a guy work on the image to match the t before it goes in. With all requests right now and a couple assumptions, it'd be $20 per person, not counting how we got it to you. But that's after one day, and it goes down in price as more people sign up. Ziggy, your (cafepress) move. :p

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x234/teejhoyt92/wm-front.jpg
http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x234/teejhoyt92/wm-back.jpg

Honestly, I think we should let Aaron decide, since he made the logo. Great job, all involved! I like the look of the orange logo enveloped by blue as opposed to ziggy's grey (of course, no offense, ziggs). Damn, I'm looking forward to getting this baby signed by Jack!!!

[ziggy]

Honestly, I think we should let Aaron decide, since he made the logo.

I like your version the best TeeJ, but I agree, lets have Aaron decide since this is his baby.

[Icky Thump]

Love the design and idea of this and I may be interested in buying one as well. I think the color on that customink is too much like the Florida Gators. I looked at the site and there are these Hanes Beefy T's (which have always been comfy to me) which seem to be closer to the blue the team uses...


Maybe try the logos on it and see what it looks like?


http://www.customink.com/lab/?PK=01119

[Toocool]

Yeah, I'm interested in buying one.
I have no idea what American sizes are...so I'm a 5"8 chap, so I assume Medium would be the way to go?
Just PM me when your ordering or w.e and we'll arrange something then.
Love both designs.

[truDUKEfan]

Teej- hey man just let me know where i can pick it up at and when bc the sooner the better i am going to try to get him to sign it at work on the next home game....i can meet you somewhere around chalotte or what ever just Pm me or whatever thanks again.......

[docend24]

This is mainly for Ziggy, but I figured other should chime in.

Ok. So Stephen Jackson makes love to pressure, right? We've got that figured out. And BCP hasn't had a new t-shirt since the diner one. Well, I got an idea. We need a Stephen Jackson t-shirt in the Obama "Change" style that says "Make love to pressure."

Like this:
http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x234/teejhoyt92/make-love-2-pressure.png

Then put it on a blue t-shirt with the BCP link on the back.

Other idea. You know how we have been lacking a nickname for Raymond since the beginning of his career, besides "that guy who doesn't pass at the end of the game"? Well, in honor of his increased accuracy, how about the Ray Gun? *crickets* okay, yeah, that sucked, but I had to have something interesting for you to open the post.

Never heard about The Hero one? It suits Raymond well regardless whether his clutchness is on or off.

[docend24]

Love the design and idea of this and I may be interested in buying one as well. I think the color on that customink is too much like the Florida Gators. I looked at the site and there are these Hanes Beefy T's (which have always been comfy to me) which seem to be closer to the blue the team uses...


Maybe try the logos on it and see what it looks like?


http://www.customink.com/lab/?PK=01119

Strong minuses to them for not working under Opera :confused::o :paddle:

[ajbry]

Icky Thump may have found the best shirt/color combination. Here are the results on the Hanes Beefy T (which run cheaper as well):

http://www.customink.com/designs/proofs/15863731-1/front.jpg
http://www.customink.com/designs/proofs/15863731-1/back.jpg

[Weezy21]

im sure yall have already tried this, but is there anyway to have the pic of jack on the tshirt without the box outline??

one idea might be to have a white tshirt with the same pic, except the blue background also be white, and make the word "Pressure", be blue instead of white...that would eliminate the box outline

[ajbry]

From what teej posted yesterday:

"Remember that when finished, the graphic will totally blend in with the t, and that they have a guy work on the image to match the t before it goes in."

[Weezy21]

o okk that will look awesome then...i wonder if jack will get a kick out of it if he sees one of us wearing it

[polarcat]

yeah once the colors blend it will look phenomenal. props to both teej and ajbry for coming up with these. the second one looks amazing and can't wait to get these rolling out.

bcp is so hot right now

http://unrealitymag.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/mugatu2.jpg

[Scottley Crue]

Icky Thump may have found the best shirt/color combination. Here are the results on the Hanes Beefy T (which run cheaper as well):

http://www.customink.com/designs/proofs/15863731-1/front.jpg
http://www.customink.com/designs/proofs/15863731-1/back.jpg

Ok, this thing is just sweet. I'll take an XL, please.

[Dlpz87]

Sweetness! I'll take a L of the updated Blue one, see post above mine

Too bad they won't be done & shipped in time for the game @ the Target Center (I live in Minny :( )

[DCW]

I like it alot, I'll take an xl please

[teej]

Teej- hey man just let me know where i can pick it up at and when bc the sooner the better i am going to try to get him to sign it at work on the next home game....i can meet you somewhere around chalotte or what ever just Pm me or whatever thanks again.......

Heh, if we ordered them today they wouldn't be here for at least two weeks. Sorry man.

I'm planning on putting the order in at the end of next week. Give everyone plenty of time.

And toocool, US sizes generally have more to do with weight than size, but a 5'8 guy is probably a medium, yeah. Maybe a large, unless you're super skinny. Actually, to be safe, unless you are pretty skinny, I'd go with a large.

[LadyCats Rule]

Man, I was just thinking about this very thing the other day. Probably the best sports quote in Charlotte History.

Put me down for a Large.

[polarcat]

Man, I was just thinking about this very thing the other day. Probably the best sports quote in Charlotte History.

Put me down for a Large.

yeah, it's one of the best quotes i've heard in any city, in a loooooong time. truly love captain jack!

[ajbry]

There's an official ordering thread now, that teej stickied at the top of the section.

[SWedd523]

Yeah, I'm interested in buying one.
I have no idea what American sizes are...so I'm a 5"8 chap, so I assume Medium would be the way to go?
Just PM me when your ordering or w.e and we'll arrange something then.
Love both designs.
I'm about 5'8'' but I have a bit more of a muscular build and I generally have no issue with Medium sized T-shirts. But at the same time, I don't like baggy shirts.

I'd say a Medium would be fine unless you like 'em baggy!

[ziggy]

In case anyone missed it, Here is the link (http://www.bobcatsplanet.com/vb/showthread.php?t=10260) for the thread to order a shirt if you would like one.