Glen "Big Baby" Davis for DJ Augustin???

[BobcatinDC]

Just read an article saying we may be working out a deal with the Celtics to ship out DJ Augustin for Big Baby Davis.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/13010/celtics-bobcats-in-trade-talks

I'm really torn on this. On the one hand, I saw DJ Augustin grow by leaps and bounds last year. He really played well filling in for Raymond. Then again, it's increasingly apparent that he and LB don't mix (think oil and water). It'll be sad to see him go, but I think he'll flourish under another coach.

Big Baby Davis is very questionable in my mind. He has had off-court issues (though so has SJax and that's working out fine so far!!) and seems perpetually overweight. Then again, he can ball when he wants to and is guided under the right guy. I think LB could whip him into shape.

Thoughts?

[ALong13]

The Celtics and Bobcats are discussing a trade revolving around Glen Davis and D.J. Augustin, according to ESPN's Chris Broussard.

The deal makes sense for both sides, but additional players would be needed to make it work. Davis would satisfy Larry Brown's desire for a big man that provides toughness while Augustin would give the Celts a viable backup point guard for Rajon Rondo. Even if this trade goes down, we wouldn't run to the wire to add either one.

-Rotoworld

Anyone else like the idea of Big Baby coming to Charlotte...the kid is young and talented and I think could see some good time at PF here, DJ isn't doing much and might benefit with a change of scenery...

[ALong13]

oops...just saw this sorry, hopefully Ziggy or a mod can merge the two...

I like the deal, DJ isn't doing much for us now, and Felton has rose as our PG, Big Baby can be really talented and put up very good games as the physical PF we need...

[TheBeagle]

Doesn't seem like a fair trade to me. I'd like to think we can get back more than just Davis for trading away our 9th pick of last season. Sure, a legit PF in either a starting or backup role is needed, but I'd rather that guy not be Davis. Plus, how comfortable is anyone with Law as the backup PG?

So, no; don't like the trade, but if spectre's avatar stays true to form, this deal is signed sealed and delivered ;)

[rsxnova]

Sounds like a shitty deal for us. Maybe Diaw and Baby can condition together if this happens.

[ItsAmazingImTheReason]

I'd like to think we could get more for Augustine than an overweight, childish backup PF. But maybe I'm wrong.

[GoBobs]

This sounds sucky. I would rather see Diop + DJ for Haywood + Boykins or just keep DJ he is better then big baby

[Black]

not to mention, if Felton doesn't resign, we're fucked at PG

pass

[etothet]

Doesn't seem like a fair trade to me. I'd like to think we can get back more than just Davis for trading away our 9th pick of last season. Sure, a legit PF in either a starting or backup role is needed, but I'd rather that guy not be Davis. Plus, how comfortable is anyone with Law as the backup PG?

So, no; don't like the trade, but if spectre's avatar stays true to form, this deal is signed sealed and delivered ;)

I am inclined to agree with you Beagle. I think we need to get a little more for Augustine. Not a terrible idea, but the FO needs to proceed with caution and weigh out all options.

[ebrown]

Glen Davis is like Sean May except fatter and whinier.

So no, no, no and no

[Chef]

this is terrible. yes, the answer to our power forward situation is a short, non-athletic, whiny, overpaid crybaby. and while we are at it, let's give them our only back up point guard during a playoff run.

[murphman]

this is terrible. yes, the answer to our power forward situation is a short, non-athletic, whiny, overpaid crybaby. and while we are at it, let's give them our only back up point guard during a playoff run.

So very true.

[DCW]

I really hope this doesnt happen big baby is a joke.

[ND22]

If we do this we better resign Felton.

And please, don't give up Hendo.

[SirBobcat]

in larry brown i trust

[TattoodCats4life]

There is one trade I ***MIGHT*** consider but to do this you'd have to assume boston is as dumb as a box of rocks.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yfalwax

[Dcarnys]

NO!!!!!!
Nuff said.
Like tats trade but Boston would be crazy to give all of them up.

[ziggy]

I don't like it... I don't hate it, but I don't like it.

As much as I deeply despise the Celtics, he would help us out a lot for the remainder of the season.
It would put us in a precarious position this offseason with Ray.

[SirBobcat]

bonnell thinks that Rasheed Wallace could be involved...

There's a report on espn.com that the Charlotte Bobcats and Boston Celtics are in trade talks involving Glen "Big Baby'' Davis. I'm told the two teams have talked, but I wouldn't be so certain Davis would be the guy the Bobcats covet.

The Celtics need another guard who can knock down shots, which brings D.J. Augustin (or possibly Flip Murray) to mind. Obviously, the Bobcats would love to get Rasheed Wallace, a longtime favorite of coach Larry Brown, who hasn't played particularly well of late in Boston.


The beauty of Wallace in Charlotte would be his wide skill set, You could pair him with any of three big men -- Tyson Chandler, Nazr Mohammed or Boris Diaw -- and he could blend with whatever strengths and weaknesses the other big man had.


With the Feb. 18 trade deadline looming, the Bobcats are looking around at any possibility to add another big, particularly a power forward. You have to wonder about the Knicks' Jordan Hill and Chicago's Tyrus Thomas is intriguing (although the Bulls apparently want an awful lot to give him up).

[SirBobcat]

How about Sheed and Big Baby for Murray and Diop?

[ziggy]

Here is CelticsBlog's take on it

http://www.celticsblog.com/2010/2/9/1302973/rumor-glen-davis-to-the-bobcats

They are in favor of the deal

[WarioVsMooChicken]

Big Baby is exactly what we need. A PF who could come off the bench on nights when Diaw is having an off game (Quite often) and make an impact, if he was forced to start it wouldnt be the end of the world, and someone who could play the 5 from time to time when we go small.

Acie Law is more than compable to be a backup PG and has just as much potential as DJ. Not to mention, Flip isn't too bad of a point usually and Diaw would love the opportunity to play some point foward again.

DJ isn't helping us at all right now, we gain someone who would help us a good bit. Add a 2nd round pick to the deal for us and when we both have to add 2 garbage players to make slary work, make us give up someone a bit more sucky.

I LIKE THIS TRADE.

[murphman]

Good Lord, Rasheed and Stephen Jackson on the same team??!!?? Here??!!??

Scary to think of what the locker room and team chemistry may turn into.

[ALong13]

I actually like the deal, DJ looked very impressive but after the abdominal strain he's never been the same. He's been very disappointing this season as really has not done much for the team other than maybe a game or too. The kid is shooting 37% and thats shooting a lot of close shots and lay-ups, and 36% from three...maybe its just a sophomore slump, but I'm not thinking that. I just think the kids a little too short for his position, has lost all the confidence he has and is to afraid to try and build it back up....

Big Baby wants out of Boston, he's a rebounder and he has a decent outside shot, He may be overweight, but unlike May he uses it to his advantage. He only averages 2 fouls a game and when he shows up to play, he's talented. We desperately need a PF and have enough guards to take over the PG position, Murray can move over and Henderson can actually get some playing time. IMO we have to do something. Davis is not my first choice, but he'd definitely help our problem at PF.

[ALong13]

Big Baby is exactly what we need. A PF who could come off the bench on nights when Diaw is having an off game (Quite often) and make an impact, if he was forced to start it wouldnt be the end of the world, and someone who could play the 5 from time to time when we go small.

Acie Law is more than compable to be a backup PG and has just as much potential as DJ. Not to mention, Flip isn't too bad of a point usually and Diaw would love the opportunity to play some point foward again.

DJ isn't helping us at all right now, we gain someone who would help us a good bit. Add a 2nd round pick to the deal for us and when we both have to add 2 garbage players to make slary work, make us give up someone a bit more sucky.

I LIKE THIS TRADE.

Good to know I'm not alone in this, DJ is doing nothing for us, Davis feels a position of need and would be an ideal center in our small line-up

[ziggy]

The one really bright side of this deal is that Amour217 would have a field day with the Big Baby photoshops. :biggrin:

[superb1]

I don't hate Big Baby but it make scared to think that he could turn out to be another Sean May. But I do believe he can help us more than May did. I am opposed to giving up DJ. This trade works for me and in the trade machine. Law and Graham for Davis and Walker.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yz6b5xg

[Weezy21]

Good to know I'm not alone in this, DJ is doing nothing for us, Davis feels a position of need and would be an ideal center in our small line-up

yall arent alone...sign me up...we need a PF! nuff said...i love UPS but he is better suited at SF behind wallace...dj is NOT our future an most of yall realize...the ONLY issue is what if we cant sign felton back?

with new management possibly coming in, that could change a lot of things....but at the end of the day, i really think we will sign felton back...he likes it here an he has finally proven that he can be a god facilitator

like some ppl have said...flip/law/or even diaw can handle the point when ray is out

an for the record, id rather have big baby then rasheed

[teej]

If we get sheed, they have to take back Gana.

If it's Glen for DJ straight up, I won't be happy, but I won't be pissed either. It's a lateral move as far as the future goes, and it helps us now. Just let Flip be the backup.

But Sheed has an AWFUL contract.

[spectre]

So, no; don't like the trade, but if spectre's avatar stays true to form, this deal is signed sealed and delivered ;)

Man I keep saying we're due for a hurting after getting Jax at such a good deal. This one would qualify too. A 9th pick one year removed for a 35th pick. :facepalm:

[Brown'sTown]

Good Lord, Rasheed and Stephen Jackson on the same team??!!?? Here??!!??

Scary to think of what the locker room and team chemistry may turn into.

Why is that? Both have a reputation of being great teammates. Sheed gets a lot of techs and Jack has done stupid things off the court, but neither are locker room issues. Getting Jack was the best thing that ever happened to our locker room chemistry, I bet Sheed would be another improvement. It's just that if we get him I'd really like to shed some future salary rather than trade a former lotto pick for him. I really want to get Diop out of here. I'm all for moving DJ, but I'd like to get a younger guy with potential.

[ebrown]

Just bc we have a need at pf doesnt mean we take the worse end of the deal. We don't need a tub of lard to fill minutes that can still be adequately filled by Brown.

This sounds like a trade just to make a trade deal.

[WarioVsMooChicken]

Why do people actually care what spot someone was drafted at? What matters is how much they can help now and the potential to help in the future.

[WarioVsMooChicken]

Also, does anyone take into consideration that some people just play better with extra weight?

[ammofan]

I like Big Baby.......you all OBVIOUSLY didnt watch the playoffs last year to see how good he is and can be.

And if we got Sheed....I might faint because that would be sick!!

[jdsingar]

ammofan, I agree on the point of Big Baby in the playoffs but...he has gone WAY downhill since then. the guy is a wreck and more unprofessional than Ron "Drinks before the game" Artest.

Rasheed Wallace has a bad contract AND should probably be in a wheelchair.

How did we go from Jason Thompson to this :(

[ammofan]

ammofan, I agree on the point of Big Baby in the playoffs but...he has gone WAY downhill since then. the guy is a wreck and more unprofessional than Ron "Drinks before the game" Artest.

Rasheed Wallace has a bad contract AND should probably be in a wheelchair.

How did we go from Jason Thompson to this :(

How has he gone way down hill? Wasnt he hurt?

And if is upset with PT or whatever, I would be too since they sign Sheed and they have KG already, so he gets no time. Theres no room for him. But there should because he is a good young talent imo.

And sheed does not need to be in a wheelchair. It was a dumb signing by the Celts anyway. He doesnt fit with them. Do you guys forget that he played for Brown in DET? I know he was younger but everyone thought Nazr was done too, and he sure has suprised us all.

[spectre]

Baby + Giddens for Augustin + Graham. Done. Call it in. Good deal for both teams. I like Augustin. http://tinyurl.com/ylenfc3 (http://tinyurl.com/ylenfc3) about 4 hours ago (http://twitter.com/sportsguy33/status/8871195480)from web

http://twitter.com/sportsguy33

Bill Simmons

...works too:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yzxdr5p

Edit:



BTW that last deal isn't done


Whew!

[ammofan]

Baby + Giddens for Augustin + Graham. Done. Call it in. Good deal for both teams. I like Augustin. http://tinyurl.com/ylenfc3 (http://tinyurl.com/ylenfc3) about 4 hours ago (http://twitter.com/sportsguy33/status/8871195480)from web

http://twitter.com/sportsguy33

Bill Simmons

...works too:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yzxdr5p

Edit:



Whew!


Good....I want sheed involved

[bighead39]

big baby is nothing except what his nickname portrays. i was a fan until his head got as big as mine, and now he thinks he is a primetime player.

[Zoolander]

Chris Broussard just came on NBA Coast to Coast and reiterated the same thing on his blog. The two teams are in talks, just discussions nothing imminent, etc. etc.....

[Toocool]

Glen Davis, when I watched him play live I simply thought of him as Sean May. He has potential, but he needs to loose 40-50 pounds. He was decent in college level, having a mid range jumper and some driving to the basket skill, but he lacks a good vertical. He also has stubby arms.

It a no from me.

[bozzy]

Glen Davis, when I watched him play live I simply thought of him as Sean May. He has potential, but he needs to loose 40-50 pounds. He was decent in college level, having a mid range jumper and some driving to the basket skill, but he lacks a good vertical. He also has stubby arms.

It a no from me.

Davis is nothing like May. Atleast Davis has contributed something to the NBA.

[ALong13]

I heard my boy DJ Augustine might go to Boston for Big Baby.I hope they pull the trigger..I know it's been a frustrating time for him in CHA

From Jared Dudley twitter page

Hmm...maybe DJ wants out too?

[Twan's Kin]

We can probably get more for DJ than Big Baby Davis. I like the idea of Rasheed coming here though.

[teej]

At this point, I'd just be glad to wash my hands of DJ. He's not happy, we're not happy, let's move on. Mistake noticed, Ray is the man. Got it. Let's get what we need and go for the playoffs.

[jazzer89]

I want a DJ for Jordan Hill swap. This makes perfect sense in my mind. We dont trade away a future starting PG in this league for a scrub on the celtics and we get a possible future starting PF.

Hey MJ go get this done. Brown has connections with walsh, they go way back, use dem connections and bring in some Jordan Hill

[Marvel]

A big HELL NOOOO,a fat overweight pf just waiting to blow both knees and has off court issues for a pg with upside......please back the hell off with this stupidity of a trade.It will be sad to see DJ go but it's clear he's not working out in LB's system but not for Big Baby pleeeeease.Baby is a wreck just waiting to happen it's only because of KG and Pierce that they have been able to keep Baby in check and i'm tellin all yall he will fuck this team up if he comes here.

[Fred Williamson]

A big HELL NOOOO,a fat overweight pf just waiting to blow both knees and has off court issues for a pg with upside......please back the hell off with this stupidity of a trade.It will be sad to see DJ go but it's clear he's not working out in LB's system but not for Big Baby pleeeeease.Baby is a wreck just waiting to hapen it's only because of KG and Pierce that they have been able to keep Baby in check and i'm tellin all yall he will fuck this team up if he comes here.

Word.

This is awful, just AWFUL. :facepalm::facepalm:

[WarioVsMooChicken]

Glen Davis is a starting caliber PF with tons of upside. He's on the same level as JJ Hickson and Thompson that everyone wants. I seriously don't understand why this would make anyone go "Well it's decent" at worst.

Our PG situation is unchanged like this. No one will notice a strong difference between DJ or Flip, Law running the point and our PF situation gets a LOT better. Add a 2nd round pick in our direction and I'm really liking this and I don't see how anyone could give this a big "OH FUCK NO".

Oh, and again, being overweight isn't always so bad in basketball. Some can use it to their advantage. An if you think they can't...well if Davis is already this good now, imagine if he lost 30 pounds? =o

[TheBeagle]

We can probably get more for DJ than Big Baby Davis. I like the idea of Rasheed coming here though. Yeah, for some reason I do too. There are probably lots of reasons why I shouldn't want him here (none of them are locker room issues though----he and Larry have much love for each other, and I think he'd be a great teammate as he has always been reported as being), but I sorta do. Go figure.

[LadyCats Rule]

Then again, it's increasingly apparent that he and LB don't mix (think oil and water).

Interesting from the standpoint that LB drafted DJ ahead of the conventional wisdom pick of Brook Lopez. Not that Lopez would be any help for depth at forward, I'm just saying two years ago DJ was LB's guy.

[TattoodCats4life]

I'm thinking Larry got DJ as insurance, and maybe as an owed favor to friends of his in texas... Either way, I think he had big fear that Ray had been too "damaged" by hammy starting him on the 2, now that Ray is panning out, and frankly probably has verbally agreed to a new contract with MJ we dont need DJ (and maybe he isnt molding how larry wants either). As much as Lil' Sean sucked as a PG, he did what larry said, how larry said, when larry said... I got a feeling DJ is like "Nah, lets do it like this" :)

Also, to above posts, if Ray decides to walk and we're left with no PGs next year, we'll probably grab a mid-range free agent, or see about moving around on the draft or something along those lines... We're certainly not bringing in a bunch of D-league trash to play just because :)


Interesting from the standpoint that LB drafted DJ ahead of the conventional wisdom pick of Brook Lopez. Not that Lopez would be any help for depth at forward, I'm just saying two years ago DJ was LB's guy.

[spectre]

Does it get closer if their 1st overall (currently 28th) comes back? Would you guys prefer Bass if it was an "either/or"?

Yeah I know...we'd never get the pick.

Geesh...I should have known rumors of Thompson was just fate screwing with us.


Why do people actually care what spot someone was drafted at? What matters is how much they can help now and the potential to help in the future.

How can you ask this? Lottery picks are supposed to valuable. At worst a top 10 pick should at least be a rotation guy so are considered more of a sure thing than a mid/late 1st/2nd rounder.

Who looks better here; the team trading the 9th pick from 16 months ago for a 35th pick 2 1/2 years ago? Who'd be getting the most value from their draft position?

We freaking suck at drafting and have ever since our conception. :facepalm:

[Ghost Kat]

No and fuck you for asking


Thats what I tell the computer on 2k10 when it offers me stupid ass trades. I hope the Bobcats FO doesn't piss all over my dreams for DJ as the future. I have all the t-shirts printed up. Hats were on order next week.

[ebrown]

Big Baby = Super suckiness

Dude is not good enough to play minutes in Boston, only gets love for showing up in the playoffs( 1 freaking time) and now he is the answer.

Some of you sound so desperate for a pf that you will let his fat rolls cover your eyes from seeing the reality that that dj is worth someone far greater than Super suck fat baby.

[polarcat]

i too am in the "no thank you, pass please" camp. he might not be sean may but he's a lot closer to may than thompson, hickson, etc. he is a starting pf but he's not the upgrade over diaw that we need. yes we need a banger, but not at the cost of dj augustin. thompson & hickson i would drive to go personally escort to charlotte, big baby would make me sad.

[teej]

I think you guys are really overvaluing DJ.

[Chef]

I think you guys are really overvaluing DJ.

not so much overvaluing dj but properly valuing big baby.

[Robertpel9]

I think you guys are really overvaluing DJ.


I agree and also agree I would prefer we get someone else besides Big Baby

DJ is a streaky scorer and a solid rotation player but I don't see him ever being a starter. Felton has really come into his own this year and we need to make sure he stays here. His durability and defense have always been there. His game management now and poise and improved shooting make him "the future" for PG in my eyes

[dav7z]

I think you guys are really overvaluing DJ.

Who has more value right now Henderson or UPS . That draft value only last the night of the draft . It doesn't give you value a year down the road.

Hear is what i think we after . Just a guess?
Davis, Wallace , and a expiring filler
Augustine , Diaw

We save about 2 milion next year to help sign Felton. Davis only has one year after this so if he don't work out he will be easy to trade. Or add cap the next year.
Wallace is one less year than Diaw . Its a over all savings over the lynth of the contract.

Wallace is better and more prepared to take us deep into the playoffs than Diaw. His jumper spreads the floor well JAX and Wallace stoping dubble teams.
Davis gives you quility mins off the beanch making us deeper . He can all so bang and board . Whitch is good in certain match ups.


So we look like
Felton, Flip , Law most likely a filler at point
JAX, Flip, Henderson
Wallace , Brown , Graham
Wallace, Davis
Nazz, Chandler, Diop
This takes us deeper spreads the floor better , Makes us more balanced . Gives us much more debth. It hides our holes and i think it makes Boston better two. They could really use a passing P/F and a true back up point.

[teej]

^I got Sheed, Glen, and Scal for DJ, Diaw and Lexy to work, you think they'd do that?

[BIGCatBobcat]

ESPN says "Hey, trade deadline's coming up. Make up a trade that wouldn't work"

[SCBobcat]

^I got Sheed, Glen, and Scal for DJ, Diaw and Lexy to work, you think they'd do that?

I think Scalabrine is the Celtics' mascot and there is some rule about trading mascots. So, I don't think we could pull that one off.

[Weezy21]

^I got Sheed, Glen, and Scal for DJ, Diaw and Lexy to work, you think they'd do that?

is that a serious question?

[teej]

is that a serious question?

Why not? They get a servicable backup big in Diaw who replaces Sheed, they get a backup PG in DJ they've been dying for, and Lexy does everything Scal does (nothing) plus he's younger, and has potential.

We do it to get bigger, get an expiring in Scal, and get a shorter bad contract in Sheed.

It's not like Boston needs money.

[ebrown]

How do some of you get the idea that Big Baby is a startng PF?

[teej]

How do some of you get the idea that Big Baby is a startng PF?

For us.

And he's not bad, either. He's a mid-level bigman.

[dav7z]

^I got Sheed, Glen, and Scal for DJ, Diaw and Lexy to work, you think they'd do that?

Im thinking the deal Boston and Brown both are looking at is
Davis , Wallace , House for Diaw and Augustine . Works all so I don;t see Brown wanting Scal
Boston has stated House isn;t a play maker Thats the reason for Augustine.
Brown could use House beside Flip in the back court along with UPS and Davis in the frunt court beside whos the back up center.

[teej]

Except didnt Eddie demand a trade out of here at the beginning?? that wouldn't work well, esp. with GW and Capel.

[ebrown]

For us.

And he's not bad, either. He's a mid-level bigman.


That sounds a lot like we are settling for a second rate pf, rather than feeling like we are getting a good deal.

[teej]

That sounds a lot like we are settling for a second rate pf, rather than feeling like we are getting a good deal.

We currently have no true PF, and DJ is a second rate PG. What's the beef?

[spectre]

Glen Davis: I know my job now (http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nba/columns/story?columnist=forsberg_chris&id=4902598)

[dav7z]

Except didnt Eddie demand a trade out of here at the beginning?? that wouldn't work well, esp. with GW and Capel.

At the time i thought his problem was with Bernie and starting . But im not sure
Bottom line a trade like this saves us around 3 milion next season to sign Felton

[teej]

At the time i thought his problem was with Bernie and starting . But im not sure

Either way, GW wouldn't like him back, because he doesn't like quitters.

[Slam]

I never knew he was such a poor rebounder.

[WarioVsMooChicken]

How can you ask this? Lottery picks are supposed to valuable. At worst a top 10 pick should at least be a rotation guy so are considered more of a sure thing than a mid/late 1st/2nd rounder.

Who looks better here; the team trading the 9th pick from 16 months ago for a 35th pick 2 1/2 years ago? Who'd be getting the most value from their draft position?

We freaking suck at drafting and have ever since our conception. :facepalm:

Yea, personally, I'd take Kwame over Scola. What was I thinking?

[teej]

Yea, personally, I'd take Kwame over Scola. What was I thinking?

And I'd take Darko over Boozer. How could I miss that?

[spectre]

Yea, personally, I'd take Kwame over Scola. What was I thinking?

...and how long has Kwame & Oberto been in the league?

If a team is trading a high pick for a 2nd rounder a year or two after they selected said player wouldn't you agree that team screwed up or do you consider that good business sense?

Hell, every team should be so lucky to swap their 1st rounders for 2nd round picks...right? I mean, lottery picks are a dime a dozen.

It blows my mind that this is so freaking hard for some to understand. :facepalm:

[teej]

^I think its good for MJ to admit a mistake, after taking so long to do so with the Ammo and May picks. And its not like MJ or Rod wanted DJ...

[spectre]

Hey I have an idea! Let's find some scouts other than Mickey Mouse and make the correct selection for once!

I know...most likely asking waaaaaaayyyy too much here. :cool:

[teej]

Hey I have an idea! Let's find some scouts other than Mickey Mouse and make the correct selection for once!

I know...most likely asking waaaaaaayyyy too much here. :cool:

We were supposed to pick Brook, who was the right choice.

But LB f'd it up.

[SirBobcat]

Mickey Mouse does love to recruit Goofy personalities

[Fred Williamson]

For us.

And he's not bad, either. He's a mid-level bigman.

He gets paid 3million a year and plays like some D-league scrub and has weight problems. Yeah, that's what I call a starting caliber big man. :facepalm:

http://www.bothteamsplayedhard.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/may-fat.jpg

Hell no. we've had enough.


I like Big Baby.......you all OBVIOUSLY didnt watch the playoffs last year to see how good he is and can be.

Great. And while we are at it, how about we trade UPS for Boobie Gibson? I mean, this guy had an epic playoff series in 2006.




And if we got Sheed....I might faint because that would be sick!!

He's done. Stick a fork in him.

[teej]

He gets paid 3million a year and plays like some D-league scrub and has weight problems.

Our current PF meets those descriptions (if you want to hyperbole) and gets paid 9 million. Quit bitching.

[Fred Williamson]

Ok, could some of the BBD supporters please enlighten us non-believers and tell us how this guy is supposed to help us to win more games? Without mentioning the 2009 playoffs. Please, I'm dying to know, because I've seen a lot of Celtics games in the past 2 years (I'm a big Rondo fan) and it seems I couldn't recognize his impressive talent.



Our current PF meets those descriptions (if you want to hyperbole) and gets paid 9 million. Quit bitching.

Quit being so delusional and naive.

[Muttley]

Ok, could some of the BBD supporters please enlighten us non-believers and tell us how this guy is supposed to help us to win more games?

I'm not sure how BBD helps us win more games, but "Poison" was a pretty cool song, and without Michael Bivins we may never have been introduced to Boyz II Men.

... OH! You meant Big Baby Davis? I'm really not sure where I stand on this issue, but I'm pretty sure we could get more for DJ than Davis.

[teej]

Quit being so delusional and naive.

:confused:

Diaw is clearly overweight, and he hasn't performed up to par at all. And he's getting 3x Glen's salary.

And Glen is a much bigger inside presence then Boris, and a true PF, which we DO NOT have at all on this roster.

[murphman]

Danny Ainge tells WEEI that he's had no discussions with the Charlotte Bobcats

http://twitter.com/ESPNForsberg

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4671713/ainge-no-discussions-with-bobcats

[WarioVsMooChicken]

...and how long has Kwame & Oberto been in the league?


Ok, what does Oberto have to do with this?

And fine then, I'll make it more current for you.

I'd rather have Hasheem Thabeet than DeJuan Blairs.

[spectre]

Ok, what does Oberto have to do with this?

LOL...I have no clue how I turned Scola into Oberto!

Shouldn't change the point tho.


And fine then, I'll make it more current for you.

I'd rather have Hasheem Thabeet than DeJuan Blairs.

So if other teams screw up it makes ours not so bad?

If you don't see why a 1st round pick should be much more valuable than a 2nd rounder I don't see much point in wasting anymore keystrokes.

Following our team's drafting history has to be the blame.

[ohara831]

Danny Ainge tells WEEI that he's had no discussions with the Charlotte Bobcats

http://twitter.com/ESPNForsberg

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4671713/ainge-no-discussions-with-bobcats

I was just about to post it. To me, this is good news. I was not fond of the deal to begin with after reading the Boston fan's reaction on RGM. Those guys were way to excited about the deal and getting rid of Big Baby. Made me too nervous to think about supporting the move.

[teej]

I'd rather have Hasheem Thabeet than DeJuan Blairs.

Or Austin Daye/Derrick Brown

[WarioVsMooChicken]

LOL...I have no clue how I turned Scola into Oberto!

Shouldn't change the point tho.



So if other teams screw up it makes ours not so bad?

If you don't see why a 1st round pick should be much more valuable than a 2nd rounder I don't see much point in wasting anymore keystrokes.

Following our team's drafting history has to be the blame.

It's not the fact that it's a first or second rounder. it's the fact that almost all 1st round picks are better than 2nd round picks. Again it;s because how good the player is and how much potential he has to offer in the future as opposed to the number he was chosen.

[spectre]

It's not the fact that it's a first or second rounder. it's the fact that almost all 1st round picks are better than 2nd round picks. Again it;s because how good the player is and how much potential he has to offer in the future as opposed to the number he was chosen.

Except for the ones we pick!

How good the player is and how much potential he has to offer the future should be directly correlated with their draft position or at least fairly close. A 9th pick vs a 35th pick ain't close.

And therein lies the problem. We don't seem to be doing so well making choices (understatement if ever there was one).

[Scottley Crue]

Just spitballing an idea here. I'm quite alright with Davis joining the team (I think he'd make a nice backup that could eat some of Diaw's minutes...enough to make him worry and hopefully step it up or step aside) but if it takes DJ to do it I'd be worried about the backup PG spot. Since Indy was reportedly interested in Acie Law, if they do want to swap DJ for Davis, why not go after Earl Watson with Law? I believe the salaries are close enough to work. And Watson's an expiring as well.

I know he's not the king of backup PGs, but I think he'd do a nice job behind Felton. Better than I think Law would do and perhaps the best you could get for Law by himself. Again, just an idea.

[BRNC]

I'm not clear what is to be gained by trading one expiring PG you're not using for another expiring PG you're not going to use...we need a PF not an expiring PG...we already have one...or two...depending on how you look at it...

[ammofan]

He gets paid 3million a year and plays like some D-league scrub and has weight problems. Yeah, that's what I call a starting caliber big man. :facepalm:

http://www.bothteamsplayedhard.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/may-fat.jpg

Hell no. we've had enough.



Great. And while we are at it, how about we trade UPS for Boobie Gibson? I mean, this guy had an epic playoff series in 2006.




He's done. Stick a fork in him.

Thanks for those enlightening comments towards me....wow

I have never seen one person be so againest everyone that is brought up in any trade or free agent signing suggestion

[Scottley Crue]

I'm not clear what is to be gained by trading one expiring PG you're not using for another expiring PG you're not going to use...we need a PF not an expiring PG...we already have one...or two...depending on how you look at it...
I was suggesting Law for Watson if DJ was traded straight up for Davis (or for anyone else straight up). If we do use DJ to get a PF, I don't feel comfortable with Law or Flip as the primary backup to Ray. I just thought Watson would be a decent backup that might be able to be had with the Pacers reportedly having interest in Law.

[teej]

I have never seen one person be so againest everyone that is brought up in any trade or free agent signing suggestion

I'm convinced he'd be against trading Tyson + Gana for Bosh.