View Full Version : Bobcats make offer on Bull's Thomas
Black
02-11-2010, 02:17 AM
The Charlotte Bobcats (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/cha/;_ylt=AhglH608fPkCZlWnG1xMIvfTjdIF) bid Acie Law (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4289/;_ylt=Amudtjc8RE7iZYq7dAzinX_TjdIF)(notes) (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4289/news;_ylt=Ah_Qtl_N6e7aaazIlvKfUb7TjdIF), Flip Murray (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3639/;_ylt=AijfBnINpZ9JnH.qexq7mA7TjdIF)(notes) (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3639/news;_ylt=AkdSlQAfO7eU3O4y9uDL_L3TjdIF) and their 2010 first-round pick, a league executive said. The Bobcats have been searching for a long, athletic forward like Thomas, the fourth pick in the 2007 draft, and are expected to be aggressive pursuers.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-thomasbulls021010
wow, i dont know if i like giving up Flip honestly
TattoodCats4life
02-11-2010, 02:25 AM
Hold on just one minute...I have to call bullshit on this... how can we trade our 2010 1st round pick, considering we have a 1st round pick outstanding (and likely to be exercised this year) that is owned by Minn via Denver for the 20th we used for lexy...
Ezell
02-11-2010, 02:25 AM
i believe that would be law,Flip and the pick for TT and Hinrich...?
i really dont know about this one as i dont know shit about either one of the guys.....
Later on in that article it says LB is viewing the Bobcats sale as a way to get out and go back to philly basically gotta love rumors...
but what does our 2010 pick refer to? I didnt know we had one
TattoodCats4life
02-11-2010, 02:30 AM
Yeah there are also rumors that LB is the next Clippers coach. They like playing the "Next town Larry Brown" card.
Ezell
02-11-2010, 02:35 AM
after watching both respective players youtube mix (lol) i say bring it on
i need a trade like i need to get rid of these genital warts.... and one has a chance of happening :facepalm:
WarioVsMooChicken
02-11-2010, 02:44 AM
Is Thomas really worth that much?
I'm just looking at his stats, and I'd rather get Davis or Thompson at less of a price. =\
Ezell
02-11-2010, 02:46 AM
I don't see davis or thompson coming any cheaper.
TattoodCats4life
02-11-2010, 02:52 AM
He sure beats "Sean May in Green" :)
Black
02-11-2010, 03:09 AM
also, hey Charlotte Observer....if this trade goes through, please notice how much earlier I broke this story before Bonnell did
jk, but how about giving me a job?
WarioVsMooChicken
02-11-2010, 03:39 AM
I mean, Flip's stats alone on about on par with Thomas's. Add in Law's potential...AND A FIRST ROUNDER for a backup PF..
I just dunno
tamburello
02-11-2010, 04:45 AM
Hold on just one minute...I have to call bullshit on this... how can we trade our 2010 1st round pick, considering we have a 1st round pick outstanding (and likely to be exercised this year) that is owned by Minn via Denver for the 20th we used for lexy...
That's what I immediately noticed, we cannot trade any first round picks right now. Besides, even without pick, I don't trade Law and Flip for a guy without BBIQ and about to expire and has a huge qualifying offer. This is very lopsided, but I never trust yahoo.com.
Toocool
02-11-2010, 04:56 AM
TT isn't flash hot. But he isn't crap either.
He's young, and if LB stays put he'll have a 1/2 a yr to improve under LB.
Loosing Acie+Flip is okay. I would give Acie freely away, but Flip would hurt somewhat. As for the 1st rounder 2010? You're kidding me right? TT isn't worth that much.
Overall, I much rather just give Acie, Flip and 2nd Rounder. TT isn't worth a 1st rounder imo.
TattoodCats4life
02-11-2010, 05:33 AM
Maybe they have it backwards, maybe they give us THEIR pick to take their junk and get a 7-8/10 combo guard and an expiring (well they both are expiring technically).
Actually here is a trade I'd smile all the way to the bank about with the bulls http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yflzp72
Fred Williamson
02-11-2010, 08:25 AM
TT isn't even worth our 2nd rounder from the Nets(!!!!). You will always find a bunch of athletic power forwards in any draftclass. Or sign TT for the MLE in the offseason.
this is crap. as already stated, we don't have 1st rounder. also, the bulls can't GIVE TT away right now, they have tried. plus, why would we give up a very productive and great team guy in flip. flip is very valuable to us, he may not carry a ton of value to the rest of the league, but i highly doubt we give him up considering our current level of success. i would not put too much stock into this deal. i do, however, see us going after TT and would like to think he would be the option as opposed to fat baby.
ALong13
02-11-2010, 08:35 AM
this is crap. as already stated, we don't have 1st rounder. also, the bulls can't GIVE TT away right now, they have tried. plus, why would we give up a very productive and great team guy in flip. flip is very valuable to us, he may not carry a ton of value to the rest of the league, but i highly doubt we give him up considering our current level of success. i would not put too much stock into this deal. i do, however, see us going after TT and would like to think he would be the option as opposed to fat baby.
I'd honestly rather have Big Baby if its only going to cost us DJ, Giving up Flip Murray should not be thought of right now, he's our only true bench threat and we need his energy, leadership, and expierence to make the run to the playoffs.
I'd honestly rather have Big Baby if its only going to cost us DJ, Giving up Flip Murray should not be thought of right now, he's our only true bench threat and we need his energy, leadership, and expierence to make the run to the playoffs.
my point was, if we get TT it won't take much more than hendo and raja trade exception or grahm and trade exception. in that case, TT >>>>fat baby
I wonder if "any" report (before an actual trade is made) can be considered credible any more...as pointed out...we have no 1st this draft...it can't be for TT and Hinrich because salaries do not match for the players named (just with TT)...Thomas (in no way) fits the mold of "vet" players LB has been interested in trading for in the past...this is just "trade-line BS" at it's worst...
polarcat
02-11-2010, 09:31 AM
i know tt is an underachiever, but i would be interested in this trade if we weren't shipping out any draft picks. between graham, hendo and even dj as back-ups to captain jack at the sg position, i'd feel more comfortable trading from that position to solidify our frontcourt. tt is only 24 and a true pf, though he could be a free agent this summer and hasn't lived up to expectations. lb would help and after reading that article about tt's struggles in chicago, i'd be ok with him here. after thompson, tt is probably the next best option, but we wouldn't have to get rid of dj in the deal. as for flip, we could miss his veteran savvy during the playoff push, but flip can be cold and selfish on any given night when his shot isn't falling. i'd rather give up graham than flip, but it's not like tt is crap.....ya gotta give to receive sometimes. trading a back-up combo guard and a guy that is pretty much a dnp for us every night for a former top-5 pick is solid.
just my 2 pennies.
tt is only 24 and a true pf.
That's part of the problem though. Does he know that?
Doesn't he consider himself more of a 3 with an outside game?
SirBobcat
02-11-2010, 09:38 AM
Guys, Flip isn't coming back after this year...He's going to find another destination and we leave out with nothing. Thomas has a lot of potential that's constantly being disrespected by Bulls management. If anything, he's frustrated that when he goes out to the court to start he puts up double double numbers, but then he finds his way back to the bench. He could really help out this squad in the long run more than Flip Murray.
docend24
02-11-2010, 09:39 AM
TT isn't even worth our 2nd rounder from the Nets(!!!!). You will always find a bunch of athletic power forwards in any draftclass. Or sign TT for the MLE in the offseason.
Nobody owes us any second rounder, period. And we have none this year.
spectre
02-11-2010, 09:45 AM
Guys, Flip isn't coming back after this year...He's going to find another destination and we leave out with nothing. Thomas has a lot of potential that's constantly being disrespected by Bulls management. If anything, he's frustrated that when he goes out to the court to start he puts up double double numbers, but then he finds his way back to the bench. He could really help out this squad in the long run more than Flip Murray.
TT has a qualifying offer of 6.26 million next year. IMO he'd have to be pretty darn great for us to even think of picking up that option.
TT has a qualifying offer of 6.26 million next year. IMO he'd have to be pretty darn great for us to even think of picking up that option.
The team that trades for him ends up with all of his trade rights from the end of his rookie deal - is that correct?
Might be nice if we could show case him this 2nd half, drive his value up then S&T him at the end of the season?
spectre
02-11-2010, 10:21 AM
Yes, but that just means we could re-sign him and still go over the cap. He'd still be a UFA next year.
It's always possible to get his value up...but we'd have to do a lot of "driving".
I doubt he gets more than the MLE, so I also doubt any team would really want to give up a lot for him since most could just sign him outright.
SWedd523
02-11-2010, 11:17 AM
Tyrus and THEIR first rounder for Acie and Flip?
spectre
02-11-2010, 11:38 AM
Tyrus and THEIR first rounder for Acie and Flip?
Supposedly Jordan had a boner for James Johnson, so if the Bulls are willing to toss him in there's no telling what we'd give up (not good).
ohara831
02-11-2010, 02:28 PM
With our history of draft picks, I tend to think it is best if we dont have any picks. Every year, trade them for a vet who can fit our team. If we had the #1 pick this year, we would find a way to justify not drafting John Wall. And then everyone would laugh.
Basically this is someone trying to meet a quota who knows that we're interested in TT (we have been for a while) and needs to make up some bs trade.
Whoever said we'd get a first is probably more on the mark.
spectre
02-11-2010, 04:04 PM
With our history of draft picks, I tend to think it is best if we dont have any picks. Every year, trade them for a vet who can fit our team. If we had the #1 pick this year, we would find a way to justify not drafting John Wall. And then everyone would laugh.
Sadly I'm pretty much there too. We seem to do ok with the later picks...so let's just keep winning and get those things into the 20s!
Teej...nailed it. I think they're trying to make some teams think they have competition, know we need a backup PF and kind of floated that out there. Too bad they didn't do their research tho; the pick gives it away.
Dlpz87
02-11-2010, 06:55 PM
Check the link again, unless I'm blind, it looks like Woj edited out our first rounder...
Scottley Crue
02-11-2010, 07:09 PM
Teej...nailed it. I think they're trying to make some teams think they have competition, know we need a backup PF and kind of floated that out there. Too bad they didn't do their research tho; the pick gives it away.
I agree. That rumor sounded to me like that's what Chicago wanted, not what was offered.
Check the link again, unless I'm blind, it looks like Woj edited out our first rounder...
He did.
Here's what I'd do:
Two seperate trades, because it doesn't work as one.
AC, future 2nd rounder and Raja Bell trade exception for Tyrus Thomas
Flip Murray for Jannero Pargo
Ray/DJ/Pargo
Jack/DJ/Graham/Hendo
Crash/Derrick/Graham/Hendo
Tyrus/Boris/Derrick
Nazr/Tyson/Gana/lexy (when he's healthy)
That also leaves us room for 10-days for injuries.
ohara831
02-11-2010, 08:02 PM
Teej, we dont have a 2nd rounder in 2010. It belongs to Phoenix. It has been causing confusion as Draftnet.com has it backwards saying we have ours and Phoenix's 2nd. We have no 2nd. And our 1st will be gone to Minny if we make the Playoffs.
polarcat
02-11-2010, 09:46 PM
^^^ so we have no draft picks in the 2010 draft or are you saying that our 2nd goes to someone else and we maybe have someone else's? i know about our 1st being pretty much gone but i thought we might have a 2nd. if not....ouch! not that second rounders are sure locks, but it makes draft night pretty boring. although i'm sure a pick can be bought in the high to mid 20's sometime that night. sorry to break up the tt talk....carry on :biggrin:
ohara831
02-11-2010, 10:26 PM
^^^ so we have no draft picks in the 2010 draft or are you saying that our 2nd goes to someone else and we maybe have someone else's? i know about our 1st being pretty much gone but i thought we might have a 2nd. if not....ouch! not that second rounders are sure locks, but it makes draft night pretty boring. although i'm sure a pick can be bought in the high to mid 20's sometime that night. sorry to break up the tt talk....carry on :biggrin:
As I understand it, Phoenix has our 2nd. No picks unless we dont make the Playoffs, and then we have our Lottery pick. Look at the mock below. Our 1st is to Minny in Round 1 and to Suns in Round 2.
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2010/
Ohara,
I edited my post for clarity, I meant a future 2nd.
BUT
We do not know for sure that we don't have a second. I don't THINK we do, but no one seems to know, not even the Bobcats. The different sites are confused, so I wouldn't take any one of them as fact. It's probable that we won't have a pick without a trade, but it's possible.
Brown'sTown
02-12-2010, 12:27 AM
I don't want to give up flip dog. We're still in a position where we could miss the playoffs if we moved Flip since he's our only real bench scorer. I'd much rather move DJ or Gerald Henderson even though Flip is expiring. I personally don't think either of those guys are going to do anything for us. If we close out the season strong I think there's a good chance we might be able to bring Flip back.
Check the link again, unless I'm blind, it looks like Woj edited out our first rounder...
That's too freaking funny.
I e-mailed him when I read the piece the other day (as I'm sure many did) saying that we didn't have a 2010 1st rounder and that it was irresponsible and lazy reporting to post such an impossible "runmor" and in closing said it's reports like this that make sports reporting cheap, headline grabbing and puts a Titanic sized hole in any credibility he might have had.
murphman
02-12-2010, 10:40 AM
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2010/
Hmmm, that draft order has us with the 13th pick and Chicago with the 12th. Yet there are only six eastern teams below us meaning we still made the playoffs but also wound up with a pick in the lottery. Is this a new change? Is the draft order now selected strictly by regular season ending records? If true that sucks for all those western teams missing the playoffs and the lottery.
spectre
02-12-2010, 11:20 AM
That's not right. The NON playoff teams participate in the draft lottery and they're vying for picks 1-14. Draft Express is showing Houston, NOLA & Memphis with the 16th, 17th & 19th picks respectively, but as of today they are NOT in the playoffs.
Our pick would be after theirs and after the Bulls & Heat...putting us at #17.
Someone can check my math on the exact pick...but if we're in the playoffs the best pick we'd be eligible for ignoring it being traded is 15th.
Hmmm, that draft order has us with the 13th pick and Chicago with the 12th. Yet there are only six eastern teams below us meaning we still made the playoffs but also wound up with a pick in the lottery. Is this a new change? Is the draft order now selected strictly by regular season ending records? If true that sucks for all those western teams missing the playoffs and the lottery.
This Mock was last updated on Thu Feb 4th at 06:17:51 PM
It doesn't take current standings into consideration.
spectre
02-12-2010, 11:49 AM
It doesn't take current standings into consideration.
When did we hit .500?
I don't think it was right then either.
spectre
02-12-2010, 12:53 PM
http://www.nbadraft.net/2010mock_draft
That one has us 16th and the Bulls just ahead of us at 17th...last updated 2/9.
SWedd523
02-12-2010, 01:20 PM
When did we hit .500?
I don't think it was right then either.
probably going off of last years order. A lot of draft sites don't bother updating the team positions until later in the year because it's pointless
And this one is the most accurate.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/standings;_ylt=AsSjPd4pSoetrMETMAylYku8vLYF
I'm not sure we ever had interest in TT...I said earlier in the thread...he is not much of a vet...he is not an LB player...he does not stretch the floor...this is someone in Chicago trying to jack up his price...pure BS...
docend24
02-14-2010, 08:38 AM
We are heading to have our 15th-18th pick (depends on order of eastern 5th-8th) sent to Minny. If we would not make the playoffs then it depends on lottery - we can still have a TOP3 pick, but the chance is slim. Simply unless we have a TOP13 pick after the lottery (which is probable if we miss play offs), the pick belongs to Wolves, until they use it or trade it.
No matter how we'll do, our second round picks goes to Phoenix at first and what they will do with is up to them (giving it up for cash consideration is not out of question with their draft history).
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