02/18 Trade Deadline Update (and Tyrus Thomas/Theo Ratliff) Thread

[westbrook08]

Hey guys I know I don't post much.Hope everyone is doing good.Anyway I work third shift and am now off work for 3 days and I am losing my mind with the trade deadline being about 8 hours away.So I figured if anyone hears anything breaking today or good rumors that I could start this so we would have a universal thread for the day.Also if anyone is in greensboro and wants to watch the game and maybe shoot some pool friday night send me a message.Here's to finding a power forward today.

P.S. Whoever started calling boris,Doris, that is fu%#ing hilarious and I am really disappointed I didn't think of something so obvious first.

[Toocool]

When I wake up, I would love to see a
"You have received LaMarcus Aldridge" package in my sock.

Obviously it won't happen, but I like to wish.

[westbrook08]

Dude if we got lamarcus aldridge for something stupid my girlfriend would be very upset because my junk would look like shredded paper machey by the end of the day.

[ohara831]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4923777

Interesting trade. Will be interesting to see part 2 when T-Mac goes to NY, what does SAC get in return.

[spectre]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4923777

Interesting trade. Will be interesting to see part 2 when T-Mac goes to NY, what does SAC get in return.

...and what do they do with all those PFs assuming they get a similar deal that Houston was getting. They'd have Jeffries, Hill, Thompson & Landry.

Brother can you spare a 4?

[TattoodCats4life]

If we're interested in Gooden, Acie plus anyone from lexy to DJ in salary would work. The trade machine says even given Lexy and Acie (unused by use as it is) our wins are -1 and clippers get +1 wins... odd ball that there trade machine is

[eleaf14]

With all those 4's maybe Sac would be interested in some backcourt offense.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yz35sth

[ohara831]

Man, if we could somehow turn DJ into JT, it would make my day!

[ohara831]

http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2010/02/salmonstobucks-spells-trouble.html

Dont always agree with him, but I agree with him this time.

[spectre]

Man, if we could somehow turn DJ into JT, it would make my day!


The deal hammered out Wednesday night would send Martin, Kenny Thomas (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=849), Hilton Armstrong (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2984) and Sergio Rodriguez (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3025) to the Rockets for McGrady, Sixth Man Award contender Carl Landry (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3217), Joey Dorsey (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3421) and an undisclosed amount of cash.

They're now left with only Evans and Udrih for PGs. :g:

[ohara831]

They're now left with only Evans and Udrih for PGs. :g:

Oh no. Now I will start to get my hopes up again. God, I cant take too much of getting my hopes up only to have them dashed against the rocks. Can our FO actually pull off something to really help us? The clock is ticking.

[spectre]

To fire you up even more...didn't they trade Martin so they could play Evans at SG?

:biggrin:

Seriously, with the way Evans can get into the paint DJ would be a perfect pairing with him offensively.

[ohara831]

Minny just took Darko from NY. Are people really still considering taking a flyer on this guy?

[ohara831]

To fire you up even more...didn't they trade Martin so they could play Evans at SG?

:biggrin:

Seriously, with the way Evans can get into the paint DJ would be a perfect pairing with him offensively.

If this happens, I will go to someplace very high and scream my excitement and joy all day long! To quote Al Michaels "Do you believe in miracles?!"

[Felton for Prez]

http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2010/02/salmonstobucks-spells-trouble.html

Dont always agree with him, but I agree with him this time.

Why? I don't really see how this makes them that much better. I guess I'm not a big Salmons fan.

[ohara831]

Why? I don't really see how this makes them that much better. I guess I'm not a big Salmons fan.

Well, without Redd at SG, they were short a weapon. This simply helps them recoup that loss. It does not make them a threat for the Top 4 in the East, but it very much increases their chances to make the Playoffs. It is a scoring threat they did not have 24 hours ago.

[polarcat]

I'm hoping for a JT, TT or Landry acquisition today by the deadline. Come on Higgins/Jordan/LB....let's get this PF situation sorted out!

[teej]

I'd settle for Jordan Hill. I'll take anyone. Please, anyone?

Melvin Ely, for Christ's sake. We need a power forward like Boris Diaw needs cake...

[spectre]

Here's a fantasy:

We trade DJ for JT straight up and shave a couple 100k off this year and the next two years' cap. LB then takes AC Law under his wing and develops him into a solid #2 PG making him an actual asset vs trade filler (he was picked like 13th right?).

Never freaking happen.

[ammofan]

I'd settle for Jordan Hill. I'll take anyone. Please, anyone?

Melvin Ely, for Christ's sake. We need a power forward like Boris Diaw needs cake...

Hey tj...u at school on BCP too? lol

I just hope we get somebody by the deadline...

[murphman]

I kind of like the fact that our name has not really been mentioned much in the past 24 hours. Based on history, it could mean we are working on something.

[Zoolander]

.....which will mean the deadline will be over with before they pull the trigger.

It's gotta be a combination of things as to why we haven't done anything up to this point. Maybe the impending sale, the value they regard DJ with or something... IDK

[ALuhrs704]

with nate robinson going to boston for house, i think that safely says were not getting big baby or sheed. either way we HAVE to make a move b4 3 pm today. im going to be on my computer 24/7 tryin to find out, i love this day. but im worried that no deal is gonna happen.

[Toocool]

I have faith that Rod will do something. If he doesn't, then I'm certain that he damn well tried his hardest.

[Muttley]

I have faith that Rod will do something. If he doesn't, then I'm certain that he damn well tried his hardest.
My concern is that management (in his case, ownership) will say no to anything because of the sale. Wouldn't a playoff team be worth more than a 9th seed with no draft picks?

[eleaf14]

I dont like to speculate...but TrueHoop is reporting that the Salmons deal is now Alexander and Warrick...instead of the Elson and Thomas as reported last night http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/13507/13507. They say that a team cooled off on Warrick...and now those 2 are headed two Chicago unless something changes with the team that cooled off. I wonder if thats us...and now with the Tmac situation...we have better options. I think we may just have something here.

[Weezy21]

well if speculation is true about the kings turning around an sending tmac to NY, in a deal that brings jefferies an hill, then we DEFINITELY have a chance at a king PF...somebody mentioned they would have 4 PF, but actually they'd have SEVEN!!!

landry, thompson, thomas, brockman, jefferies, hill, an fat boy may

we should b able to atleast get one of the good ones for dj! lets gooooo rod, pull this offf!!

[spectre]

Graham/Law for Warrick?

LB mentioned his name after he was bought out last year, and if the Bucks move Ridnour to NY they'd need another PG.

I'm just not that high on Warrick, but I guess the investment isn't that bad.

[teej]

Since the Kings have needed a center, you think they'd do Gana and Lexy for Jeffries?

[ebrown]

hahaha, I can see it now...

May is headin back to Charlotte in a deal that sends DJ to Sacramento.

[Weezy21]

hahaha, I can see it now...

May is headin back to Charlotte in a deal that sends DJ to Sacramento.

hahah o god...id kill somebody

[spectre]

Since the Kings have needed a center, you think they'd do Gana and Lexy for Jeffries?

That's a good idea Teej.

[teej]

That's a good idea Teej.

Which means, inevitably, it won't happen.

[polarcat]

booooo-yooowww!! tyrus thomas might be on his way to the QC

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/64834/20100218/bobcats_close_to_deal_for_tyrus_thomas/

[teej]

booooo-yooowww!! tyrus thomas might be on his way to the QC

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/64834/20100218/bobcats_close_to_deal_for_tyrus_thomas/

Fuck my life.

A future number one and probably Flip and AC? Dammit.

Slam, I will rep you up if this happens.

[CatNation]

hes definitely on the lower end of the list of guys I want. Also I'm confused about the pick part...

[superb1]

you beat me to it

wonder what expiring contracts
law and graham i hope, i rather keep flip

[Weezy21]

booooo-yooowww!! tyrus thomas might be on his way to the QC

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/64834/20100218/bobcats_close_to_deal_for_tyrus_thomas/

haha just beat me to it...i hope were not giving up flip tho...an this whole thing about trading a first has me a little concerned too but if tyrus will fill our void at pf, i say lets do it

[CatNation]

if its acie, graham, and a future first then I guess I'd be ok with that.

[polarcat]

not a fan of the future 1st at all, but expirings to land a young athletic forward. i know he has underachieved, but a change of scenery could work. i mean seriously.... people bitch because we might not make a move and now this move could be positive but already negative comments. tough crowd...haha.

[teej]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yzb79my (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yzb79my)

Only one I got to work, and add in probably a lottery protected 2012 number 1

EDIT: Only way it could work is AC for Ty straight up as a trade exception, and Graham and the number one for international rights or a number two with a trade exception.

[superb1]

check trade checker, it gotta be flip and in order for it to work. ^$$$^

[GOBOBCATS24]

I just don't like his skill sets. Or lack of skill sets. and brains and stuff. I mean hes a very very very very very poor man's Ben Wallace so maybe Larry can pull something out of him. We need an offensive threat and I don't think Tyrus is anywhere close to that. We will see.

[teej]

check trade checker, it gotta be flip and in order for it to work. ^$$$^

Unless they use trade exceptions, but that'd put us close to the tax.

[Weezy21]

if its acie, graham, and a future first then I guess I'd be ok with that.

acie an graham doesnt work in the trade machine....so if its acie an flip, who the hell would be our back up sg??? henderson who hasnt played all year? or felton, which i hate seeing him play sg??

dammit y cant we just trade dj for thompson?? haha

[CatNation]

acie an graham doesnt work in the trade machine....so if its acie an flip, who the hell would be our back up sg??? henderson who hasnt played all year? or felton, which i hate seeing him play sg??

dammit y cant we just trade dj for thompson?? haha

didnt see that thx. yeah losing flip would hurt. Although I remember a DJ/Felton backcourt being pretty good last year, am I remembering wrong? Maybe Larry wants to go back to that. I think it'd be good for DJ..

[teej]

With hours to go before Thursday's 3 p.m. ET deadline, here's some of the latest buzz:

The Bobcats (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/teams/page/CHA), determined to add an athletic big man to their front court, are close to landing Tyrus Thomas (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/players/playerpage/1113185) in a deal with the Bulls (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/teams/page/CHI) that would send expiring contracts and a future No. 1 pick to Chicago, a person with knowledge of the situation told CBSSports.com.

While the source cautioned that the deal was not completed, it would involve Charlotte's only expiring contracts -- those of Flip Murray and Acie Law (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/players/playerpage/1231883) -- plus a future first-round pick. The Bobcats would have the rest of the season to evaluate the soon-to-be restricted free agent and decide whether to commit to Thomas long-term. Trading Thomas spares the Bulls the embarrassment of losing one of their best players through free agency with no compensation for the second year in a row.

If successful in landing Thomas, Charlotte would circumvent discussions between the Knicks (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/teams/page/NY) and Bulls involving a swap centered around Al Harrington (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/players/playerpage/20605).



Shit, it is Flip.

We need to sign Dontell from the D-League then.

[ebrown]

How come all our trades that we do seem so bone-headed when compared to that of others?

The only one that makes any sense is the Jax trade thus far.

[CatNation]

Another team executive, who had been interested in Thomas, told Y!, "We're out of it now. I think (the Bulls) are getting their deal." 2 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/9291522709) from web
Charlotte is close to acquiring Chicago's Tyrus Thomas for Acie Law, Flip Murray and a future first-round pick, sources say. 3 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/9291455871) from web

Wojo's been pretty good so far gettin stuff right so it looks like itll probably happen. I wonder if it is the only move we make?

[Weezy21]

Shit, it is Flip.

We need to sign Dontell from the D-League then.

ok great, now depth at pf an none at SG...makes no sense

[teej]

How come all our trades that we do seem so bone-headed when compared to that of others?

The only one that makes any sense is the Jax trade thus far.

The only boneheaded part is having Flip AND the pick.

I could deal with it if it was Graham and the pick, or Flip and no pick.

But I guess Rod and MJ are going all in, and I can deal with it.

[teej]

Also, I saw a good point from someone on twitter. It's not really a bad trade for us if Tyrus works out and we re-sign him in the offseason, because he's worth a first round pick.

And remember, Diaw can play SG and not worry about being soft.

[Weezy21]

"If successful in landing Thomas, Charlotte would circumvent discussions between the Knicks and Bulls involving a swap centered around Al Harrington."

maybe we could make this a 3 team deal an get somebody like wilson chandler to be our back up haha...i can wish right?

[ebrown]

The only boneheaded part is having Flip AND the pick.

I could deal with it if it was Graham and the pick, or Flip and no pick.

But I guess Rod and MJ are going all in, and I can deal with it.


I guess I just dont get the whole 1st round pick deal.

[ebrown]

Also, I saw a good point from someone on twitter. It's not really a bad trade for us if Tyrus works out and we re-sign him in the offseason, because he's worth a first round pick.

And remember, Diaw can play SG and not worry about being soft.


That would mean Diaw would actually have to start shooting

[CatNation]

wojo says its done....

[teej]

That would mean Diaw would actually have to start shooting

Not necessarily

Ray/DJ/Boris (Hopefully we're calling up Dontell)
Jack/DJ/Stevie/Gerald/Boris
Crash/UPS/Stevie/Boris
Boris/Tyrus/UPS/Lexy
Nazr/Tyson/Gana/Lexy

[Fred Williamson]

This would mean more playing time for DJ at SG and probably more minutes for Henderson :g:

But seriously, was it necessary to include a future 1st, Rod? :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

[ohara831]

If a future 1st was involved, not happy at all.

[ebrown]

If a future 1st was involved, not happy at all.

^^
This!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[CatNation]

don't care about the 2012 protected first really (I'm sure I will in 2 years...:rolleyes:) but the worst part of this trade is gonna be watching 30 minutes of Stevie Graham a night. puke

[Talent]

I like the trade maybe DJ and Henderson can get more of a roll on the team now.

[G-Force for MVP]

but when we take out nazr to go small lineup and put boris at center its going to be better with tyrus their

[SirBobcat]

YES! YES! YES! YES! We got Tyrus Thomas! This dude was being held down in Chicago and now he's going to tear the house down in Charlotte. You guys are going to love this move down the road!

[Robertpel9]

Guys,
Our front court is so dman pathetic what choice did we have

Look at our current 1st round pick - he sits on the bench. This team builds thru trades not the draft I think we have a long history of that at this point

We will need to resign felton this summer for sure. I think DJ off the bench at the 2 spot with felton has always worked well is small stretches which is all we need to give Jax a break

Good move i think. Flip while having his moments is too damn streaky and our backcourt is still solid. Our front court has been one of the worst in the league - this helps make that better.

I just wish we could have offloaded a center but we know all of their contracts are soo terrible that is tough to do. We are still overstocked at Center

[Robertpel9]

don't care about the 2012 protected first really (I'm sure I will in 2 years...:rolleyes:) but the worst part of this trade is gonna be watching 30 minutes of Stevie Graham a night. puke


There is no reason to see that - think you will see 15 mins of him but DJ should certainly get more burn and hopefully next year Henderson can actually start to contribute. If not it is another draft bust

[Weezy21]

"Chris Littman: Disappointed I'll be missing Antawn Jamison's likely Cavs debut here in CLT Friday. (Could also be Tyrus Thomas' debut.) #nba 24 minutes ago."

this should be a fun game to watch 2morrow

[CatNation]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AmwIYUQl2uvAROWrsp5D2LS8vLYF?slug=ys-thomasbobcats021810&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

in link form for those interested. nothing new though

[Robertpel9]

Plus look at it this way, we gave up a draft pick for him. Flip was basically a freebie we picked up in the offseason (a decent one at that but still a freebie) and Acie Law??????/ Enough said.

We got a #4 pick from CHI that we know can produce for essentially a draft pick in the future where who knows if that player would produce and two throw ins

Good Trade

[Fred Williamson]

but the worst part of this trade is gonna be watching 30 minutes of Stevie Graham a night. puke

this....:facepalm:

[G-Force for MVP]

can i get a link please

[Keetch]

but when we take out nazr to go small lineup and put boris at center its going to be better with tyrus their

Beat me to it! That's what I was thinking too:

C Diaw
PF Thomas
SF Wallace
SG Jackson
PG Felton

I like it. I've liked Tyrus Thomas as a player since LSU. As a human? Not sure haha. I agree that Chicago held him down. Saying that - he's likely to drive LB crazy for a while.

Do we see more Gerald Henderson now? I hope so, but I'm not counting on it. It'll probably be more DJ and Ray together; too many minutes for Ray?

I HATE trading 1st round picks. Just HATE it. In my mind; its a rare deal that is worth that; and this isn't it; as much as I look forward to watching Tyrus Thomas in the short-term.

[ALong13]

I'm going to miss flip murray, but maybe Henderson will get time to develop which would be good. However this could affect Derrick Brown's time which upsets me. I thing Thomas is a PF we need though and should really improve our bench and depth at PF. Plus he's a restricted free agent...Not sure how we are going to afford to keep him and Felton though...DJ also sees more time...

[Fred Williamson]

.Not sure how we are going to afford to keep him and Felton though...DJ also sees more time...

we have his bird rights

[Mustachio]

usually losing any draft pick pisses me off. I love the draft, but honestly now it just means i wont have to hear everyone here crying about how bad our pick was and how we should have gotten the other guy. It wouldn't matter if we drafted Jordan Jr, the grass would still be greener somewhere else. So now we dont have to deal with that.. (only kind of kidding)

In my opinion this is exactly what needed to happen. We have two many good, young under used and under developing guards on our roster. Now they will get some burn. Its gonna work out i think. I love that Tyrus is 23. If he proves to be as promising as i think he can be under LB... then we just got a solid option at PF for the next few years after resigning.

Im not at all worried about SG. Graham, Hendo, Crash, DJ, and Ray can all provide backup minutes at SG. and if its injury your worried about. If we lose Jack our season is all but over anyway.

not super super crazy about it, but i can dig what they are thinking.

[Talent]

Tyrus Thomas can block a lot shots shots and that is something we need badly in the middle. This was very clear in the Nets game when lopez had a field day in the lane. I like the bobcats getting a defensive PF who is long and athletic.

[ALong13]

Honestly I don't mind giving up first round picks...trades is how this team is made. Really...how many players that we have drafted have become anything? Felton? Okafor was a decent center, but nothing like he should be for a number two pick...Morrison, May both were bust...Brandon Wright landed us J-Rich which triggered all kinds of trades...I'm more upset about losing Flip than anything..

BTW I've seen a few bulls fans upset from the standpoint they are adding more guards when they really don't need them...Murray will be good for them...

[Weezy21]

does ANYBODY on here think we will be making another trade 2day for a sg??

i doubt it, but it would be nice

[Chef]

this is good. assuming thomas stays the same player ie continues being all talent no show (i think he will improve drastically under LB, this is his first real coach) but can block shots and protect the front court, our lineup of:

ray
jax
crash
thomas
chandler

becomes a pretty tough defensive lineup to get a crunch time basket.

[ohara831]

Reading Hollinger's Chat on ESPN, he says Chicago should be shocked to have also gotten the future 1st out of the deal. This is exactly the type of thing that makes me fear an MJ regime with the Bobcats rather than Postolos. Just a lack of discipline. The Bulls were going to get rid of TT anyway as he was disruptive and not a happy camper. We could have gotten this done without a future 1st.

[CatNation]

so Tyrus is our 6th man?

[Keetch]

Thomas, Jackson and Wallace have to make up one of the most athletic and meanest threesome's in the NBA. Add in Felton....

I remember a game last year when the Bulls came to Charlotte and Thomas started and was so good he scared the crap out of me.

I also remember commenting on this forum after the game how fortunate the Bobcats were that the Bulls didn't realize how good he was and had him sitting for most of the game.

[Chef]

Reading Hollinger's Chat on ESPN, he says Chicago should be shocked to have also gotten the future 1st out of the deal. This is exactly the type of thing that makes me fear an MJ regime with the Bobcats rather than Postolos. Just a lack of discipline. The Bulls were going to get rid of TT anyway as he was disruptive and not a happy camper. We could have gotten this done without a future 1st.

yup! we were successfully able to negotiate a price of $1.25 when they were asking for a dollar.

[CatNation]

Anyone else totally nonshocked about Ricky B hasnt posted anything about this? :hysterical: forever out of the loop eh

[Toocool]

First round draft pick:facepalm:
However, I'm really hoping that TT can show something good in the future.

Our lineup is now:
Ray/DJ
Jax/Graham/Hendo
Wallace/UPS
Diaw/TT
Nazzy/TC/Diop

That's a decent team. With the trade, I expect Hendo to pick up some more minutes. TT will probably get some burn, UPS might get his minutes reduced. I'm just hoping that TT can come in, give solid minutes off the bench by rebounding, defending, blocking shots and scoring some.

Positives:
-We got a backup PF
-We got something out of Acie Law
-Potential more rookie development time (Hendo)

Negatives:
-1st Rounder
-Flip (I wasn't a big fan of flip, but he was a beast and clutch).
-TT may turn out HORRIBLY

[teej]

ray
jax
crash
thomas
chandler

becomes a pretty tough defensive lineup to get a crunch time basket.


Tyrus Thomas is a #Bobcats (http://www.google.com/search?q=%23Bobcats+site%3Atwitter.com&tbs=mbl:1&tbo=1&hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-Address&rlz=1I7GGIE_en&output=search&sa=X&ei=H3t9S6mXC4OVtgfhxqSdBQ&ved=0CAMQsQcwAA) now. They are going to the 2nd round now. Might post the best final stretch defensive unit ever.

bstout (http://twitter.com/bstout) - twitter.com - seconds ago (http://www.google.com/url?q=http://twitter.com/bstout/status/9293172636&sa=X&ei=H3t9S6mXC4OVtgfhxqSdBQ&ved=0CAQQrwcwAA&usg=AFQjCNHU9DvtuIGL-pOTo8AC2EE-Un9xXQ)


Echoing that point.

[Chef]

don't look now but it looks like primo is on the move again.

[Proudiddy]

I love the deal overall. I'm worried about the bench scoring now with Flip gone. Maybe LB really does believe Hendo can be that guy and is ready to step up.

Great move for us going forward. If Diaw is having a rough game, Thomas can take over.

[Felton for Prez]

so Tyrus is our 6th man?

Or is Boris?

[teej]

don't look now but it looks like primo is on the move again.

To the Bucks, everyone, to the Bucks.

Don't scare me like that!!

[Chef]

To the Bucks, everyone, to the Bucks.

Don't scare me like that!!

thanks "ooops i crapped my pants"

[ALong13]

I simply love the idea of Michael Jordan trying to get through to Tyrus (assuming, of course, that MJ even knows this trade is going down): “The Bobcats, determined to add an athletic big man to their front court, have agreed to acquire Tyrus Thomas in a deal with the Bulls that would send Acie Law, Flip Murray, and a future No. 1 pick to Chicago, a person with knowledge of the situation told CBSSports.com. Charlotte beat out several other suitors — New York, Denver, and San Antonio chief among them — and will have the rest of the season to evaluate the soon-to-be restricted free agent and decide whether to commit to Thomas long-term. Trading Thomas spares the Bulls the embarrassment of losing one of their best players through free agency with no compensation for the second year in a row.”

-SlamOnline

Looks like the deal has been agreed to and is pending league approval

[Scottley Crue]

Thomas, Jackson and Wallace have to make up one of the most athletic and meanest threesome's in the NBA. Add in Felton....

I remember a game last year when the Bulls came to Charlotte and Thomas started and was so good he scared the crap out of me.

I also remember commenting on this forum after the game how fortunate the Bobcats were that the Bulls didn't realize how good he was and had him sitting for most of the game.
I remember the game you're talking about and I remember having the exact same thoughts about Thomas and the Bulls' use of him.

I'm not overly fond of giving up draft picks, but we really needed to make a move to bolster the frontcourt. If the price is a future pick that may not be that high, I can live with that.

[Mustachio]

Ray / Jack / Crash / TT / Chandler is a pretty imposing lineup for sure. mean dunkers and lock defenders. a virtual Larry Brown wet dream

[Chef]

tweeted by chad ford that miami and utah are opening up boozer talks. interesting.

[Chef]

Ray / Jack / Crash / TT / Chandler is a pretty imposing lineup for sure. mean dunkers and lock defenders. a virtual Larry Brown wet dream

we could also press with this team for a minute or two right before the end of the 1st half. then they could get rest. imagine trying to throw over this press?

[polarcat]

first rounder sucks, but our draft history is downright terrible. for as many lotto picks that we've had, we haven't truly drafted 1 near all-star. we've traded for good players, but honestly after the lexy pick, i give up hoping for paydirt. it hurts, but we get a former #4 that is 23 years old and hopefully relegates doris to bench duty. they can play off each other and start whomever is hotter and not worry about depth. i'd rather see stevie go than flip, but honestly, flip walks this summer and is too streaky for me to have a hard-on for this year. i like that hendo will FINALLY get some burn rather than flushing yet another draft pick down the drain. honestly though, what if you found out the deal breaker was the future 1st and that TT went to new york instead and that we refused on it, thus not landing a pf? reality is that al harrington > flip murray.

[spectre]

Think about this for a minute: Tyrus Thomas' qualifying offer would be 6.3 million dollars. The Bulls were going to renounce this guy at the end of the season. Does anyone here see us offering that QO?

We just gave up a 1st round pick for a 30 game rental. :facepalm:

[ohara831]

Curious to know how many of us here want TT to start over Diaw?

[Toocool]

Been doing some more research into TT.
I think what we're getting with this guy is a more offensively gifted but smaller Ben Wallace. If TC and TT on the court together, not really much of an offensive threat.

[G-Force for MVP]

Start Tyrus

[Talent]

TT gives us so many more lineup options.

[Black]

sorry if this has been mentioned, i dont feel like reading through ten pages....

but is there a chance Flip gets bought out and we resign him in a month?

who fills in for flip? Graham?

really not sure about this deal

[teej]

Think about this for a minute: Tyrus Thomas' qualifying offer would be 6.3 million dollars. The Bulls were going to renounce this guy at the end of the season. Does anyone here see us offering that QO?

We just gave up a 1st round pick for a 30 game rental. :facepalm:

MJ and Rod giving up a first says we do, but try to sign him to an extension. If MJ thinks he's getting the team, he can probably afford it. If he doesn't, he doesn't care about the future.


Curious to know how many of us here want TT to start over Diaw?

Irrelevant. LB will never bench Doris.

[Weezy21]

Curious to know how many of us here want TT to start over Diaw?

MEEEEEEE haha

[SirBobcat]

I think the Bobcats definitely made this deal with the idea of keeping him long term. You just don't trade 1st round picks for rentals. If Thomas does show his true potential, then it'll be a pick in the 20s more than likely due to the Bobcats being a much better team.

[spectre]

MJ and Rod giving up a first says we do, but try to sign him to an extension. If MJ thinks he's getting the team, he can probably afford it. If he doesn't, he doesn't care about the future.

Remember...as it stands now we'll have 10 players under contract and be about 5-6 million under the LT. If we qualify TT that would make 11 and then we'd be over the LT and will have still not re-signed Felton.

And the cap;/LT is going down next year.

It's a 30 game rental.

[ohara831]

Think about this for a minute: Tyrus Thomas' qualifying offer would be 6.3 million dollars. The Bulls were going to renounce this guy at the end of the season. Does anyone here see us offering that QO?

We just gave up a 1st round pick for a 30 game rental. :facepalm:

Unless LB is planning to let Ray walk, DJ start and use the $ from not signing Ray to sign TT. Not sure I agree with it, but it would make financial sense.

[BETCATS]

Think about it like this: worst case scenario, we just got an additional 6.5 mill to throw at felton and a back up power forward this summer.

But i think we will keep Tyrus. He is the ultimate LB player. It doesnt matter who starts between Boris and Tyson, we now have 2 decent (yes, i called Boris decent) options for Power Forward. This was a good deal for both the short and long term.

If Flip does get bought out, that just makes this even sweeter.

[Black]

man i hope Flip gets bought out

acie and a first is much more palatable than flip, acie, and a first

[ohara831]

Spectre, I hope you are wrong on the "30 game rental", but fear you are right once again. Just stupid to trade a future 1st for a 30 game rental unless you feel that can bring you a Championship rather than just a 1st time to the Playoffs trip.

[spectre]

Unless LB is planning to let Ray walk, DJ start and use the $ from not signing Ray to sign TT. Not sure I agree with it, but it would make financial sense.

You know that's not the plan so far as LB.

This is obviously the best thing they could do in fulfilling LB's wish of getting a backup PF without adding any addition long term salary.

I'm just pissed it cost us another 1st to do it.

[teej]

I think Chandler gets traded either in the offseason or during the season. That'd get us where we need to be.

And if it doesn't, oh well. Enjoy the ride while you can.

[Fred Williamson]

Our offense just got a lot worse again and we wasted a first round pick for a 30 game rental of Stromile Swift 2.0. Awesome.

[spectre]

Think about it like this: worst case scenario, we just got an additional 6.5 mill to throw at felton and a back up power forward this summer.

But i think we will keep Tyrus. He is the ultimate LB player. It doesnt matter who starts between Boris and Tyson, we now have 2 decent (yes, i called Boris decent) options for Power Forward. This was a good deal for both the short and long term.

If Flip does get bought out, that just makes this even sweeter.

How do you figure? The guys we traded were all off the books at the end of the season.

We flat out do not have the money to re-sign him unless we're able to dump a contract for nothing (maybe include a THIRD 1st in order to do that? :banghead: ).

[BobCatsFanInTx]

How about this trade I did on Real GM? Trade ID #5482216

[BETCATS]

How do you figure? The guys we traded were all off the books at the end of the season.

We flat out do not have the money to re-sign him unless we're able to dump a contract for nothing (maybe include a THIRD 1st in order to do that? :banghead: ).
As an additional i didnt mean 'we got extra money' i meant we got one player who has a 6.5 million expiring. Poor phrasing on my part.

But i am not going to call this a bad trade. I understand a lot of people on here are very cyncial when it comes to trades and losing, but you got to look at the postives here; we got a legit power forward. If he walks after the end of the season (i am confident he wont if he fits in here. Tyrus is just looking for a place to fit in and i think we can offer that), we can resign ray and use the leftover money to sign a new power forward. Im liking this deal for us.

[ohara831]

Well, we can always hope TC gets bad advise from his handlers and exercises his early termination clause. THAT would be a very nice gift.

[teej]

And Spectre, you don't think MJ's new investers wouldn't pony up a one time luxury tax? For a playoff team?

And Postolos' group appears to want to blow it up anyway, so it wouldn't matter.

[teej]

Well, we can always hope TC gets bad advise from his handlers and exercises his early termination clause. THAT would be a very nice gift.

That would be almost as good as making the playoffs.

What'd be next, Gana for an expiring?

[Mustachio]

How do you figure? The guys we traded were all off the books at the end of the season.

We flat out do not have the money to re-sign him unless we're able to dump a contract for nothing (maybe include a THIRD 1st in order to do that? :banghead: ).


Come on Spectre. You think that Michael Jordan, Larry Brown and Rod Higgins are the dumbest people on the planet? There is no freaking way we gave up a 1st without figuring something out. There just isnt. And maybe Jordan is buying the team and is ok going over the LT if its a playoff team. Its an obvious road block, and if they didnt think of it, then they will be immediately run out of town.

[teej]

Come on Spectre. You think that Michael Jordan, Larry Brown and Rod Higgins are the dumbest people on the planet? There is no freaking way we gave up a 1st without figuring something out. There just isnt. And maybe Jordan is buying the team and is ok going over the LT if its a playoff team. Its an obvious road block, and if they didnt think of it, then they will be immediately run out of town.
^THIS!

It's not like we're talking about Chris Wallace or Mike Dumbleavy here, we're talking about legitimate Exec of the Year and Coach of the Year candidates...

[Talent]

McGrady to New York.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/64843/20100218/knicks_rockets_kings_agree_to_three_team_trade/#ixzz0fufd1aB2

[ohara831]

Come on Spectre. You think that Michael Jordan, Larry Brown and Rod Higgins are the dumbest people on the planet? There is no freaking way we gave up a 1st without figuring something out. There just isnt. And maybe Jordan is buying the team and is ok going over the LT if its a playoff team. Its an obvious road block, and if they didnt think of it, then they will be immediately run out of town.

It smells of panic. They overpaid a great deal if this is a 30 game rental.

[CatNation]

Our offense just got a lot worse again and we wasted a first round pick for a 30 game rental of Stromile Swift 2.0. Awesome.

Optimistic as usual :biggrin:

[spectre]

Come on Spectre. You think that Michael Jordan, Larry Brown and Rod Higgins are the dumbest people on the planet? There is no freaking way we gave up a 1st without figuring something out. There just isnt. And maybe Jordan is buying the team and is ok going over the LT if its a playoff team. Its an obvious road block, and if they didnt think of it, then they will be immediately run out of town.

I do pretty much. They've repeatedly shown that they have no idea of value.

When I get more time I'm going to break down the salary implications for next season...but just winging it for now:

Say we're sitting at 59 million in salary for next season with 10 players. We QO TT (even tho he's not shown in his 3 years that he's even close to being worth that) and we re-up Felton for say 7 million. That gives us 12 players, so we'll probably have to do one more guy at vet min (say 1 million) to reach the roster minimum.

That's a 73 million dollar payroll.

Figure the LT line to drop to around 64 million.

That's 11 over...which is a PENALTY of 11 million (1 for 1). This also means that they lose out on the over tax split...which last year was about 5 million bucks.

How does anyone think that we would go into the hole 16 million dollars when we're already losing like 14 million already?

Y'all figure any possible owner we might have would be willing to lose 30 million next season?

[Fred Williamson]

There is no freaking way we gave up a 1st without figuring something out.
http://i45.tinypic.com/2448k.jpg

[Talent]

I don't understand why people are sad over this trade. It is a solid move to fill an obvious weakness at PF. We still have Jackson, Hendo, and that other guy I don't like much at SG.

If this is a rental, with our history of bad picks I have no problem missing out on 2 first rounders eventually. You build through trades not drafts.

[teej]

Y'all figure any possible owner we might have would be willing to lose 30 million next season?

Anyone who wants to ever make money in the Charlotte area would have to. Yes. Or anyone who, like MJ, wants to WIN!

That's why I'm more worried about Postolos.

[Mustachio]

It smells of panic. They overpaid a great deal if this is a 30 game rental.


How is this panic? we have been searching for this exact type of player since the second quarter of the season. if we gave up a 2065 second rounder for a 30 game rental it would be stupid. its not an issue. there is no way we gave up a 1st rounder for a 30 day rental. its just not even in the realm of possibilities. theres a thousand different ways around it, trades, cuts and just flat out going over the luxury tax... ya know, like every team that does well in the playoffs.

just breathe.

[Fred Williamson]

in other news, Donnie Walsh just pulled an Isiah and traded Hill AND 2 future 1st rounders for T-Wack.

[murphman]

If I'm not mistaken, between the time we tender TT and the time he signs it, he counts over 14 million towards the cap. So that pretty much means that without any draft picks to help us move players in or out, our entire offseason is pretty much limited to re-signing Felton and offering the mid-level exception. And that is it. Correct?

Meaning this next year's team will probably be almost identical to start the season.

[polarcat]

even if this is in the panthers 2008-2009 mentality of "going all in because we may not be here next year" mentality, it's not hopeless. as crappy as our front office has been compared to the top minds in the nba, i can't see how they would sacrifice a future 1st for 30 games + a playoff run for a 23 year old athletic guy that is exactly the kind of player lb likes. i figure a combination of tc/gana/nazy's release or trade, combined with felton offering a hometown discount could bring our number closer to the luxury tax number. i'm not saying we won't go over, but 11M over seems like a pessimistic view. let's say we end up 2-4M over....is it that bad? we've never hit that number in this franchise's history. and if we are a #5-#6 seed playoff contender with a nice blend of youth, athleticism and veteran savvy, i can't see it not being justified.

[teej]

in other news, Donnie Walsh just pulled an Isiah and traded Hill AND 2 future 1st rounders for T-Wack.

You knew he'd be desperate.

Now what happens when they sign Joe Johnson and Amar'e to max contracts?

[teej]

Meaning this next year's team will probably be almost identical to start the season.

Barring trades, minimum signings, and Stevie leaving, probably.

[Felton for Prez]

Come on Spectre. You think that Michael Jordan, Larry Brown and Rod Higgins are the dumbest people on the planet? There is no freaking way we gave up a 1st without figuring something out. There just isnt. And maybe Jordan is buying the team and is ok going over the LT if its a playoff team. Its an obvious road block, and if they didnt think of it, then they will be immediately run out of town.


Red lollipop.

[spectre]

Red lollipop.

+1

Never fails to disappoint.

[murphman]

You knew he'd be desperate.

Now what happens when they sign Joe Johnson and Amar'e to max contracts?

They will still only win about 30 games a season because the other 11-12 players on their team will be average talent or less because that is all they can afford to get.

[Scottley Crue]

How is this panic? we have been searching for this exact type of player since the second quarter of the season. if we gave up a 2065 second rounder for a 30 game rental it would be stupid. its not an issue. there is no way we gave up a 1st rounder for a 30 day rental. its just not even in the realm of possibilities. theres a thousand different ways around it, trades, cuts and just flat out going over the luxury tax... ya know, like every team that does well in the playoffs.

just breathe.
Amen, brother. Amen.

[ohara831]

How is this panic? we have been searching for this exact type of player since the second quarter of the season. if we gave up a 2065 second rounder for a 30 game rental it would be stupid. its not an issue. there is no way we gave up a 1st rounder for a 30 day rental. its just not even in the realm of possibilities. theres a thousand different ways around it, trades, cuts and just flat out going over the luxury tax... ya know, like every team that does well in the playoffs.

just breathe.

Then we just have to wait and see if we resign him.

[gforce33]

Bobcats get Tyrus Thomas from Bulls for Flip Murray , Acie Law , 1st round pick

[Mustachio]

Bobcats get Tyrus Thomas from Bulls for Flip Murray , Acie Law , 1st round pick




Rick Bonnell? is that you?

[Black]

haha, rick will break this story on saturday

[Keetch]

As I said, I HATE giving up draft picks. But with Larry Brown as this teams coach; I've got to get over it. LB just doesn't value rookie picks, he values veterans.

That's the current Bobcats; they may suck at rookies, but they're sure not afraid to deal vets.

I'm not worried about a possible 30 day rental; very very unlikely to happen; they'll figure it out. TT won't be the guy they want to go; it'll be Diop, Mohammed or Chandler. They'll work it out.

In the meantime; bring it on! Great shakeup for a team that had lost its edge and needed one.

[ballwhore]

Dj, Wallace,;) and Nazi to Indiana

[krazyrumpshaker]

not again ^^^^^^

[murphman]

So once AA comes back, we will have 5 players available to play center not including Boris. You know what LB/MJ are thinking: Getting to the playoffs is nice but competing against the talented bigs from Orlando, Toronto & Cleveland will take lots of bodies playing tough D in the paint. We got that now.

[Maal]

I hate the fact that we're even having this discussion...if we draft Brooke Lopez, keep Okafer or draft Dejuan Blair like we were supposed to, there's no need for this conversation...*sigh* From now on, I wouldn't be opposed to us trading all of our draft picks...

[teej]

Dj, Wallace,;) and Nazi to Indiana

My God, Why hast thou forsaken me?

Seriously though, for what? TJ Ford and Jeff fucking Foster?

[ManvydasLTU]

Yes! I know what we can take this deal!

[rsxnova]

For Granger, Murphy, and Hibbirt?

[polarcat]

let's see....

- we kept dj
- didn't get baby davis
- added a 23 year old 4 that is an lb guy
- gave up a veteran streaky swingman that will probably walk at the end of the season
- added flexibility to our roster to the point that diaw can be our 6th man
- can now play more of dj and hendo
- don't have to rely on ups at the 4

seems like the glass is half full

[Mustachio]

I hate the fact that we're even having this discussion...if we draft Brooke Lopez, keep Okafer or draft Dejuan Blair like we were supposed to, there's no need for this conversation...*sigh* From now on, I wouldn't be opposed to us trading all of our draft picks...


If Michael Jordan didnt age we would win 70 games.
If we traded for Dwight Howard this would be moot.
IF IF IF IF .

quit looking back, and by the way... Brook Lopez plays on a 5 win team. If he doesnt scream savior of the Bobcats i dont know what does? sigh.

[Mustachio]

As I said, I HATE giving up draft picks. But with Larry Brown as this teams coach; I've got to get over it. LB just doesn't value rookie picks, he values veterans.

That's the current Bobcats; they may suck at rookies, but they're sure not afraid to deal vets.

I'm not worried about a possible 30 day rental; very very unlikely to happen; they'll figure it out. TT won't be the guy they want to go; it'll be Diop, Mohammed or Chandler. They'll work it out.

In the meantime; bring it on! Great shakeup for a team that had lost its edge and needed one.


speaker of truths ^

[GOBOBCATS24]

According to the Woj. The Pacer and Bobcats re in serious discussions of a trade that would send Dj Augustin to Pacers for TJ Ford! DJ for TJ?? dang

[rsxnova]

I could see Diaw thriving with the second team handeling the ball.

DJ
Hendo/Graham
UPS
Diaw
Nazi/TC

[spectre]

Adrian Wojo:


Charlotte and Indiana in serious talks on deal that would send T.J. Ford to Bobcats for package that includes D.J. Augustine, source says. 5 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/9297234367) from webOh my God.

[rsxnova]

According to the Woj. The Pacer and Bobcats re in serious discussions of a trade that would send Dj Augustin to Pacers for TJ Ford! DJ for TJ?? dang

What the hell is with this TJ Ford hardon.

[teej]

Brook Lopez plays on a 5 win team.

And likely won't see the playoffs before DJ...

not to mention Chris Paul isn't currently on a playoff team, and Danny Granger isn't, and Brandon Roy barely is, and Rudy Gay isn't.

Why do people have to bitch?

[Talent]

What the hell is with this TJ Ford hardon.

I think they want some PG help if Felton leaves maybe. I thought the same thing myself.

[Fred Williamson]

omfg......................

[JefDav84]

Adrian Wojo:

Oh my God.

WTF . This has to be a joke.

[teej]

So ballwhore, once again, didn't break anything.

And if this involves Nazzy, I might stab myself. Hopefully they take on salary...

[JefDav84]

So is the TT trade still not finalized? This is crazy that another trade is brewing.

[SWedd523]

Maybe DJ for TJ and a first? It would be nice to get a pick back. Hell, let's send them Doris and one of our 13 Centers for Murphy while we're at it.

I can dig it.

[rsxnova]

Maybe we are getting a first back or something.

[Mustachio]

Adrian Wojo:

Oh my God.


hahaha. LB may actually think he is playing fantasy basketball at this point.

[JefDav84]

Just got an update on my phone from ESPN NBA. TT sent to Charlotte for Murray, Law, and PROTECTED 1st rd pick.

[teej]

TJ has an 8.5 million salary this year and a PO for the same next.

They'd need to take Gana or Nazzy, or some mess added in.

And if we do this with Nazzy, good God, I'll be pissed.

[Fred Williamson]

http://i46.tinypic.com/2wlzjas.gif

[teej]

DJ + Boris for TJ + Hansbrough works...

[rsxnova]

Everyone who expects Hendo to get more burn will be mildly dissapointed when Graham gets all the open mins.

[murphman]

Damn, I've got to get some work done but I can't break away from the computer.

[BETCATS]

The Pacers and Bobcats are in talks regarding a trade involving a pair of point guards, according to Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports

Indiana and Charlotte are discussing a potential T.J. Ford-D.J. Augustin swap.

"Charlotte and Indiana in serious talks on deal that would send T.J. Ford to Bobcats for package that includes D.J. Augustine, source says," Wojnarowski wrote on his Twitter page.

Read more: http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/64845/20100218/pacers_bobcats_in_talks_about_ford_augustin/#ixzz0fuwjoIsz (http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/64845/20100218/pacers_bobcats_in_talks_about_ford_augustin/#ixzz0fuwjoIsz)

I wonder if we could get either Hibbert or Tyler

[teej]

noamschiller on twitter is saying it's DJ + Nazzy for TJ + Brandon Rush.

FML. FML. FML.

[GOBOBCATS24]

wow Ballwhore was almost right he had the wrong gerald. Henderson Augustin and Nazr for Ford and Rush??? for freakin real screw that.

[murphman]

DJ + Boris for TJ + Hansbrough works...

Hell to the NO!

:g:

Well...actually that isn't quite so horrible.

[Fred Williamson]

noamschiller on twitter is saying it's DJ + Nazzy for TJ + Brandon Rush.

FML. FML. FML.

I hate our front office.

[Mustachio]

Damn, I've got to get some work done but I can't break away from the computer.


you and me both brother... im like a crackhead searching for a fix. i think im gonna break my refresh button.

[spectre]

So ballwhore, once again, didn't break anything.

And if this involves Nazzy, I might stab myself. Hopefully they take on salary...

Sharpen the knives Teej.

Jesus Christ.

[teej]

And add Hendo.

FUCK!!!!!! WTF Rod???? seriously? I was cool with the Tyrus trade, but damn, this is fucking shitty.

[rsxnova]

The next 15 mins are the most dangerous.

[Mustachio]

ok gonna be pissed if we gave up on Hendo already. Nazr im ok with because he isnt a future fix...playing great now, but he doesnt have many years left. Hendo on the other hand.

wow.

[JamieMcNeill]

I think they want some PG help if Felton leaves maybe. I thought the same thing myself.

That wont work straight up. 5 mill difference in salaries

[BETCATS]

TJ is better than DJ
Brandon Rush is someone who i like more than Flip/has more potential

I am very sad to see Nazr go. i was one of the few people that actually liked him, but he has a big contract and lets face it, Larry never used him correctly.

EDIT: Hendo too? WTF? But Larry never used him....

Lets see the final trade / what we can do in free agency after teams release veterans. I have a feeling we only traded Nazr because Kenny Thomas or Juwan Howard is going to be relased.

[teej]

Nazr, Hendo, DJ

TJ, Brandon Rush

Which group would you take?

VP of Common Sense needs to fly to the Queen City, immediately if not sooner.

[ballwhore]

Tee J how didnt I break anything..You guys I swear

[GOBOBCATS24]

Maybe the Pacers will buy out Nazr and we will be able to sign him back.

[Fred Williamson]

HEY ROD, you forgot to include some future first round picks!!!!!!!!!!! :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

[spectre]

Wojo's latest:


Charlotte and Indiana is close, but sources say not done. FIve players for now, including Ford and Rush for Augustine, Henderson and Nazr.

Anyone else besides me praying that time runs out?

[rsxnova]

Nazr, Hendo, DJ

TJ, Brandon Rush

Which group would you take?

VP of Common Sense needs to fly to the Queen City, immediately if not sooner.

That trade is grade A bullshit. Lets trade our prospects and picks... Great idea guys.

[JefDav84]

Who is going to play center?

[Keetch]

Close?! they got like 5 minutes! ROFL

[ammofan]

I hope we could get Murphy if we trade Dia in that Augustin deal. I kinda expected something like DJ for TJ since LB likes guys that are already developed so he doesnt have to deal with them.

I like the TT trade tho. He could be a great player for us with Gerald at the 3.

[rsxnova]

Who is going to play center?

Diaw:facepalm:

[teej]

Anyone else besides me praying that time runs out?

ME

And ballwhore, you posted after Wojo broke it...

[Mustachio]

on the bright side we dont have to worry about the luxury tax now. FML.

[Fred Williamson]

wow this is bad, this is really fucking bad.

If this goes through, oh boy.....

[rsxnova]

This trade needs to not happen.

[ammofan]

WHAT THE HECK? Who's gonna play center? Diop is out for weeks now, Nazr could be gone and Ty SUCKS! And then we dont even give Hendo a chance to play!

[Talent]

I like trading away potential for proven talent. I think when Lxy is back they will give him some burn at back up Center....that is scary ;/

[Keetch]

I got to admit...I'd LOVE to have Brandon Rush on this team. Yes; I'm a homer.

[teej]

Would someone even explain why we're looking at it?

[Keetch]

TJ > DJ
Rush > Henderson
Nazr = really don't care

[BETCATS]

Tyson/Diop/Sexi Lexi
Tyrus/Diaw
Wallace/Derrick Brown
Stack-Jack/Rush/Graham
Felton/Ford

:confused:
Id say we are still pretty good. Somebody put the indy trade into trade machine and see what it says regarding wins.

[teej]

Nazr = really don't care

He's only our most efficient player and the best big man we have. You don't seriously expect Tyrus to play center do you? He weighs less than Boris!

[spectre]

It didn't show wins...instead it said "Are you fucking stupid?". :p

[teej]

Somebody put the indy trade into trade machine and see what it says regarding wins.

-9

Nazzy has a 22 PER.

[Mustachio]

Tyson/Diop/Sexi Lexi
Tyrus/Diaw
Wallace/Derrick Brown
Stack-Jack/Rush/Graham
Felton/Ford

:confused:
Id say we are still pretty good. Somebody put the indy trade into trade machine and see what it says regarding wins.


both teams get worse in the trade machine.... a truly miraculous feat.

[SWedd523]

I've been high on Rush for awhile now so I don't see why people are complaining about Hendo leaving as Rush is a definite upgrade. However, if we're taking on TJ's huge ass salary then they better be taking Gana's contract in return.


Is this also foreshadowing Ray not coming back? We'd be going from 8 mil invested in the PG slot to 14 mil.

[JamieMcNeill]

Tyson/Diop/Sexi Lexi
Tyrus/Diaw
Wallace/Derrick Brown
Stack-Jack/Rush/Graham
Felton/Ford

:confused:
Id say we are still pretty good. Somebody put the indy trade into trade machine and see what it says regarding wins.

-9 wins for us
-4 for them

[ammofan]

He's only our most efficient player and the best big man we have. You don't seriously expect Tyrus to play center do you? He weighs less than Boris!

i agree with ya there..............

6 minutes.

[rsxnova]

6 minutes. Please FO dont be this stupid.

[jdsingar]

Tyson/Diop/Sexi Lexi
Tyrus/Diaw
Wallace/Derrick Brown
Stack-Jack/Rush/Graham
Felton/Ford

:confused:
Id say we are still pretty good. Somebody put the indy trade into trade machine and see what it says regarding wins.

We lose 9 wins. They lose 4 wins.

Put in Gana instead of Nazr and I am one happy fan.

[Chef]

He's only our most efficient player and the best big man we have. You don't seriously expect Tyrus to play center do you? He weighs less than Boris!

a mack truck weighs less than boris

[vorbis]

I actually would like that trade if there was any indication that one of the other C's on the roster could hold it down and produce. Chandler just looks so keystone cops-ish sometimes. Rush appears to be solid offensively, and TJ could put up some points as well. Hendo really doesn't matter to this team yet.

[Keetch]

No disrespect to Nazr; he's been playing well and his 10 minutes a game are very helpful to the team.

I just don't care that much if he's a Bobcat or a Pacer.

[Ezell]

i really wonder how these "talks" go on at the deadline...
"let me keep nazr pleeeaase take gana pretty please we gotta hurry man"

[spectre]

We lose 9 wins. They lose 4 wins.

Put in Gana instead of Nazr and I am one happy fan.

I'd deal with it a lot better if it was Gana vs Nazr.

There's just no way we could be this stupid...right? They're dying to dump Ford, so there's no conceivable reason why we'd include a C with a 22 PER in the deal.

Right? Please tell me I'm right.

[BETCATS]

Is this also foreshadowing Ray not coming back? We'd be going from 8 mil invested in the PG slot to 14 mil.
It was only so low due to rookie contracts. Ray will be back.

[Chef]

if we are taking the shit sandwich that is tj's contract, a contract that they haven't even come close to moving, they need to take gana and not nazr.

[teej]

If it was Gana, I'd be all over it, except I think this means Raymond is gone, which I'm pissed about.

Only way I'm happy is if TJ is only insurance and if Nazzy stays.

[Mustachio]

No disrespect to Nazr; he's been playing well and his 10 minutes a game are very helpful to the team.

I just don't care that much if he's a Bobcat or a Pacer.


i agree with ya... Nazr has been cool this year for sure, but how much longer does he have left ?

Hendo on the other hand hasnt had a chance. I think its a big mistake letting him walk so early. but alas.. LB doesnt have patience for rookies, just hope it doesnt come back to haunt us.

[Fred Williamson]

Why the fuck is Nazr involved instead of Diop's useless fat ass?

[ammofan]

i really wonder how these "talks" go on at the deadline...
"let me keep nazr pleeeaase take gana pretty please we gotta hurry man"

Yeah hahahahaha.......


BTW....theres a NBA Fastbreak on ESPN2 right now. All about the deadline.

[jdsingar]

I'd deal with it a lot better if it was Gana vs Nazr.

There's just no way we could be this stupid...right? They're dying to dump Ford, so there's no conceivable reason why we'd include a C with a 22 PER in the deal.

Right? Please tell me I'm right.

Nazzy is invaluable to us at this point. Giving up on Hendo for nothing is ridiculous.

[Wolfpackbobcat]

so did the trade happen?

[rsxnova]

I hope they ran out of time.

[murphman]

Deadline has passed.

[Fred Williamson]

Charlotte has been insisting that they won't do a deal here, and time is running out. One final Larry Bird-Michael Jordan showdown?

thank god.

[ammofan]

so did the trade happen?

Nobody knows yet.......

[JefDav84]

so did the trade happen?

I am sure if it did we will hear about it soon. I am sure the league allows a little time over 3 to deal with negotiating.

[Fred Williamson]

Latest: Hearing Pacers-Bobcat deal isn't happening.



:hypo::hypo::deadbanana::deadbanana:

[Ezell]

the calm before the storm...

[jdsingar]

Is Adrian a legit source? His tweet about Indiana telling "friends" that the deal is done was kinda ridiculous. Maybe he's wrong about Nazr being in it :g:

[ammofan]

Other sources are saying that the Pacers players say the deal WILL happen.

[rsxnova]

How did Eddy Curry make 11.3 Mill

[JamieMcNeill]

Indiana wanted desperately to move T.J. Ford -- and loved D.J. Augustine --- but it appears they've just run out of time, source says.

[jazzer89]

Deal is dead according to Real GM
http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/64848/20100218/report_indiana_charlotte_deal_dead/

[spectre]

Indiana wanted desperately to move T.J. Ford -- and loved D.J. Augustine --- but it appears they've just run out of time, source says. less than 20 seconds ago (http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/9298801475) from web

Thank God.

[ammofan]

The Celtics just got Lil Nate

[Fred Williamson]

it is not happening. Fuck you, Indiana!

[ballwhore]

Its done..

[ammofan]

Deal is dead according to Real GM
http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/64848/20100218/report_indiana_charlotte_deal_dead/

Two conflicting reports on that article..........we just gotta wait and see

[ammofan]

Its done..

Okay *rolls eyes*

[BETCATS]

Maybe they buy out TJ and we sign him/ Brandon Rush for DJ happens?
One can dream

[teej]

If this does indeed happen, I will hire a hitman on Chad Ford.

If it's possible to get a hit on a man locked inside his mother's basement.

[ammofan]

RealGM says that a mystery team is making a final push for Amare. hmmmmmmmmmmm

[ballwhore]

Bob johnson nixed it

[Talent]

RealGM says that a mystery team is making a final push for Amare. hmmmmmmmmmmm

I doubt it is us or anyone they are just hyping air.