Why LB needs to go

[GoBobs]

First let me say this. I think he is a great coach. Players all around the league say they have learned a lot under him and everybody can't be wrong. I think he has helped some of our guys develop, and I think he has improved our D. Despite all of this you can't teach an old dog new tricks. Larry has one style he likes to play. He isn't going to do anything different and the bottom line is that style of play does not fit our core players.

By now we are all familiar with Larry Ball. Slow the game down to a grind and play solid D. I think a lot of why he slows the game down is to limit turnovers which lead to easy points at the other end. Why he slows it down doesn't really matter though. What does matter is we end up in more of a half court game then an open floor game every night. Usually the winner scores somewhere between 90 and 100 points.

Our core players are Wallace, Felton, Jackson, Thomas, Diaw and to a lesser extent DJ, Hendo, and Brown. Ajinca is still a project. Naz is a nice player but I don't see him as a core player because I don't see him being around by the time we are ready to seriously contend for the tittle. Besides Jackson all of those players are way better in the open court then in a half court set.

Take them one by one. Felton was great at pushing the ball and the action in college and being in the open floor allows him to use his speed, his biggest weapon. Diaw is fast for a big and great in a running system for the suns. Jackson is probably equally good either way. He showed he doesn't have a problem getting up and down during his time in GS. Wallace is much better in the open court and the same is true for Thomas. Brown and Henderson would also be better in the open floor where they could use there speed and leaping ability to beat defenders. Having these two guys take some minutes could make us one of the deepest teams in the league. Instead we bring in journeymen vets that fit the LB system better.

A young player has a natural advantage in this league over an older one. He can run around more without geting worn down. A deep team has the same advantage, but playing at the LB pace doesn't give us a chance to push that advantage. When the suns were playing a few years ago you had to be able to run to stay in that game. If you were a big center, you might be on the bench that night. The bobcats pace, not so much.

Would our D give up more points, probably. We would still have enough on that end to get the job done though. Wallace and Thomas are still going to make more plays then the defenders on the other team because they are elite defenders. They will also have more chances to make plays because there are more possessions in the game. Wallace is great at trailing a break and blocking shots from behind. I expect Thomas will be the same way.

I wouldn't have a problem with it so much if we could just change things up on occasion. Play slow down ball at times and break neck pace ball at times. Do it depending on who you are playing or game situations, but damn mix it up a little based on personal. Ahhh..... it is pointless to wish, it isn't going to happen under Larry Brown, which is why we need somebody new.

[CatNation]

http://www.onfrozenblog.com/files/2007/01/kneejerk.jpg

[teej]

http://www.onfrozenblog.com/files/2007/01/kneejerk.jpg

:biggrin:

Tonight was not at all LB's fault. We played listlessly on a back to back away game against a playoff caliber team and managed to stay in it to the end. That's good coaching, not bad.

If you want to have a knee jerk reaction, trade the fucking franchise, Gerald Wallace, because he had a below average game that probably cost us a win. Or maybe go off on Captain Jack, because he screwed up at the end. Jeez.

And I don't even think LB is the best coach for he job :rolleyes: But you don't fire him because the team played like shit and he coached a damn good game.

[GoBobs]

Also I am sick and tired of seeing guys drafted after Henderson be in the rotation for a team that beats us. That has been happening all season.

[CatNation]

I wouldn't mind lettin felton walk, resigning tyrus, and tryin to pry darren collison away from no for cheap. throw him out there with hendo, gerald, tyrus, and tyson and just throw the ball at the basket and see which guy grabs it and slams it in

[rsxnova]

I wouldn't mind lettin felton walk, resigning tyrus, and tryin to pry darren collison away from no for cheap. throw him out there with hendo, gerald, tyrus, and tyson and just throw the ball at the basket and see which guy grabs it and slams it in

Im starting to think that all the assists are part of NO's system rather than the player. Keep in mind CP3 is still an elite player, but Collison puts up similar numbers.

[TOOT DADDY]

I agree it is New Orleans system. Put Felton or DJ there and you would have the same or more assist. I said a while back LB system doesn't fit our team and got killed for it we should be running. Also, why is Diaw playing 40 minutes?

[CarolinaBlue704]

I agree,and while we're at it we should rehire Sam Vincent.He'd let the team run.And he was great at managing the rotations. :rock:

[CatNation]

I do think the big 3 are getting a little exhausted lately. If theyre getting this tired with our slow half court game then running isn't really a great idea. However if I were coaching, 5 minutes before the half I'd throw in a lineup of DJ-Hendo-UPS-Tyrosaurus-Tyson and run like crazy. Teams generally get lazier as the half approaches, and our starters get an extended break. The shot blocks and pure athleticism in that lineup should provide plenty of easy buckets imo...

[Scottley Crue]

I agree,and while we're at it we should rehire Sam Vincent.He'd let the team run.And he was great at managing the rotations. :rock:
Exactly. Why hasn't this been done already?

LB is one of, if not the best things to happen to this organization. I believe Jeff Van Gundy said something I agree with...Unless you're one of the very top teir or very bottom teir teams, you're going to be inconsistent. Since we're in neither of these categories, we're going to be incosistent. I do believe we have the talent to make the playoffs, we just have to come out with the intensity necessary to win right from the tip. If they do that more often than not, I believe we'll all like the results.

[superb1]

WTF

How is it that Tyrus comes in and we anoint him as the future after one game. Well T-Mac had a good too last night but NY is not going to give up on going after LBJ cuz T-Mac having one good game.

A few weeks ago, we were concerned about DJ, he has decent game and now we are ready to let Felton walk.

We lost one ROAD game as we always stumble with and now we ready to criticize LB. What happen to ILBIT.

I trust LB, don't want Felton to walk, not ready for DJ to lead the team yet, willing to have two good pgs, willing to let TT go thru this 30 game trial period before investing the future in him, willing to trust whether Hendo is ready for increase minutes or we sign another guard instead.

[superb1]

Also I came back to this board because the fans were not so finicky.

[BRNC]

...as long as MJ has anything to do with the team LB will be here...MJ only has a week (now) to make an offer and I've just finished reading more speculation that he will not make an offer...so LB probably leaves after this season...as for TT...

(if you're interested in what was said about MJ...second page last paragraph)

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/2010/02/20/2010-02-20_cross_nets_clips__heat_off_lebrons_list.html?pa ge%20=1

Our board (for the most part) just wants him to do well since we gave up a lot to get him...and Ray walking...I'm totally against it...

[ziggy]

LB needs to stay.

I didn't suffer through the Bickerstaff and Ham biscuit years and finally get a taste of potential playoff basketball for me to get fickle and want to run the coach off every time that we have a bad loss.

I say give us more LB... shit sign that mofo up to a 5 year contract extension until he's old and gray and wearing Depends on the sidelines.

He is one of the greatest basketball minds in the history of the sport. As much as I'd like to see the young guys get more minutes, If LB isn't playing them then I have to give him the benefit of the doubt.


And in case you didn't know it already ILBIT :biggrin:

[JamieMcNeill]

WTF

How is it that Tyrus comes in and we anoint him as the future after one game. Well T-Mac had a good too last night but NY is not going to give up on going after LBJ cuz T-Mac having one good game.

A few weeks ago, we were concerned about DJ, he has decent game and now we are ready to let Felton walk.

We lost one ROAD game as we always stumble with and now we ready to criticize LB. What happen to ILBIT.

I trust LB, don't want Felton to walk, not ready for DJ to lead the team yet, willing to have two good pgs, willing to let TT go thru this 30 game trial period before investing the future in him, willing to trust whether Hendo is ready for increase minutes or we sign another guard instead.

This x 10000000000000

[Dcarnys]

This whole topic is about here
:bs:
Seriously what is it with everyone here sometimes. We should have NEVER been in last night's game. The fact we even had a shot to win it is attributed to good coaching. Now LB has made some questionable calls this year but guess what, have we ever been 27-27 before?

Just think, we could be on year 3 of the Ham Biscut era.

[superb1]

This x 10000000000000

thanks, but I'm just being me, being a fan thru think and thin.

[superb1]

This whole topic is about here
:bs:
Seriously what is it with everyone here sometimes. We should have NEVER been in last night's game. The fact we even had a shot to win it is attributed to good coaching. Now LB has made some questionable calls this year but guess what, have we ever been 27-27 before?

Just think, we could be on year 3 of the Ham Biscut era.

Now that is a thought to ponder

[CatNation]

to be fair, LB has a much better roster than ham biscuit ever had

[GoBobs]

We got back in that game because Jackson was playing out of his mind. From start to finish we had very little ball pressure vs the bucks. That is not the right way to play with the guys we have.

[Dlpz87]

LB needs to stay.

I didn't suffer through the Bickerstaff and Ham biscuit years and finally get a taste of potential playoff basketball for me to get fickle and want to run the coach off every time that we have a bad loss.

I say give us more LB... shit sign that mofo up to a 5 year contract extension until he's old and gray and wearing Depends on the sidelines.

He is one of the greatest basketball minds in the history of the sport. As much as I'd like to see the young guys get more minutes, If LB isn't playing them then I have to give him the benefit of the doubt.


And in case you didn't know it already ILBIT :biggrin:

Couldn't have said it better myself.
Anyone who chooses to start Jeff McInnis over Felts deserved the roster they had. Seriously though...fire Larry??? And replace him with another HOF coach? Because that would be the only option I'd consider (after 5 beers).

[SirBobcat]

to be fair, LB has a much better roster than ham biscuit ever had

To be fair, LB has a much better roster because he turned the pile of garbage Ham Biscuit had and turned it into this.

[CatNation]

To be fair, LB has a much better roster because he turned the pile of garbage Ham Biscuit had and turned it into this.

A coach can't be held responsible for the roster he is given. Something tells me FHB's demands didn't carry quite as much weight in the meeting room as LBs do.

[Fred Williamson]

this thread is made of fail.

We should considers ourselves damn lucky for having a HOF coach like Larry Brown. Enjoy the last remaining year of his contract before he retires because then we'll sign another incompetent moron à la Fine ham biscuit.

[Toocool]

LB...tiresome yes.
Needs to go...no.

[superb1]

this thread is made of fail.

We should considers ourselves damn lucky for having a HOF coach like Larry Brown. Enjoy the last remaining year of his contract before he retires because then we'll sign another incompetent moron à la Fine ham biscuit.

I kind of doubt anyone could be as incompetent as Sam I am ham Biscuit. But if MJ goes, then LB will leave and we won't have the pressure of MJ bringing in his friends again. I think the new owner will be compel to get someone close to LB statue if he can that person.

[ohara831]

While I dont understand why LB refuses to play his Rookies more to give them game experience, he is by far the best coach this team has had. Hands down. Stay until he decides to retire. That wont be too much longer anyway.

[spectre]

LB's brother is like 5 years older than him and is still going strong.

Hopefully he'll be here for at least that long.

[BRNC]

LB's brother is like 5 years older than him and is still going strong.

Hopefully he'll be here for at least that long.

Well...not sure it will be here spectre...with serious doubts about MJ buying the team and E. Jordon on the "hot seat" in Philly...this might be LBs last year here...his status has certainly recovered from the NY episode...if Philly is available (and especially if MJ does not buy the team) I suspect that is where LB will be next season...but I still think he leaves when he wants...and as a franchise we are in good shape...the next step will be who the new ownership group brings in if LB does leave...

[spectre]

No doubt ownership is going to play a part. Should have added the caveat that he would hopefully be here for the next 5 assuming Jordan will be the new majority owner.

Speaking of which...was this a misprint?

http://www.canishoopus.com/2010/2/21/1320676/the-charlotte-pick


The Bobcats are likely to be sold in the next few weeks, either to an investment group led by Michael Jordan, or if he declines, to AOL's Ted Leonidas.This was a fan style post, so I'm thinking it was just wrong. Or is that a new player in the talks?

[teej]

^I doubt that highly, seeing as how he owns 44% of the Wizards...and his name is misspelled. That was a poorly written blog to begin with, and no mention of Postolos entirely. 99.9% likely a goof up.

[superb1]

i think they are misinformed.

[GoBobs]

The game has clearly passed him by. It is time to go in a different direction. At the end of the day he is responsible for the product on the floor and it has been piss poor lately. He has been totally out coached by Scott Skiles this year who has done much more with much less. It is obvious the players are not excited about playing for this guy.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

The game has clearly passed him by. It is time to go in a different direction. At the end of the day he is responsible for the product on the floor and it has been piss poor lately. He has been totally out coached by Scott Skiles this year who has done much more with much less. It is obvious the players are not excited about playing for this guy.Teams all have peaks and valley's GoBobs. The reality is that the Bobcats don't have a team loaded with upper to middle echelon players with a lot of playoff experience. The experience of the coach alone is not going to make a huge difference. I don't feel that the issues the Bobcats have had as of late are on Larry Browns shoulders entirely.

With the way things happen with a young team I can see a situation where the team comes together here in the late running of the season and makes a serious push for the playoffs. They have won back to back games now while looking pretty good in those victories. If they cut down on the turnovers they could be awesome. In the game against the Celtics the team caved in when the Celtics would not do so. The team was going toe to toe but seemed intimidated and frustrated when the Celtics would not let them make a run. If these Cats can stand up and believe that they belong they can and will win a fair share of games against the so called elite teams. They can not let teams like the Mavericks and Celtics own them mentally. Despite all the fan fare and the marquee players on other teams our guys can beat anybody.

If our Cats can get things together and mature enough to realize their opportunity and if they get some cooperation from teams seeded higher than they are they could surprise a team or two in the playoffs.

Yes I know Captain Jack has some playoff experience as well as Ratliff but overall the team is not experienced in the such. I do think guys like those two I mentioned get the rest ready for a run. Crash is also an emotional and physical leader. Our game against the Heat should be interesting.

The Heat are on a roll and beating some real good teams. This next game is like a playoff game 7. Still I would not call for Larry's head if the Bobcats lose. It is not like the Bobcats are playing a must win against the Nets.

After all is said and done I don't see Larry Brown as a major part of the teams problems. When the Bobcats were playing well Larry was a blessing according to many. It is too easy to throw a coach under the bus. All one has to do is look at the coaches fired earlier in the season and how poorly most the teams were with their replacement coaches. GM's tend to jump the gun too easily and we as fans should not do so with Larry Brown. We have a team that is only in it's second season under Larry Brown. Give coach Brown at least one more season to get this team going strong.

[BRNC]

I thought this was interesting "speculation" from ESPN week-end dime...

"The most important aspect of Michael Jordan's successful bid to purchase the Bobcats might be what it means in the coaching box.
Rumblings in NBA coaching circles have grown louder in recent weeks that Larry Brown was sure to leave the Bobs if Jordan did not wind up as Charlotte's new majority owner.
One source close to the situation says Brown's departure still can't be completely ruled out -- since you never know with Brown -- but the Bobcats aren't going to lose him against their will now.
The source, meanwhile, says that the expected opening this offseason with his old team in Los Angeles -- as opposed to a potential return to Philadelphia -- is the option that intrigued Brown most in recent weeks when Jordan seemed to be running out of time to top the bid fronted by former Houston Rockets executive George Postolos.
Brown has been mentioned as a possible successor to the under-fire Eddie Jordan in Philly, having maintained a good relationship with the Sixers since leaving for Detroit in 2003 and with his wife and children still living in the area. Brown, though, has likewise maintained a good relationship through the years with Clippers owner Donald Sterling after taking the Clips to two of the four trips to the playoffs (1992 and 1993) in the club's 26-season history in Los Angeles."

http://espn.go.com/nba/dailydime/_/page/dime-100306-07/scouts-saying-quarter-pole

[GoBobs]

Brown is growing on me by switching up the personal and running a bit more these last few games. I really think Dantoni's system would kill it with our personal and the D we already have in place though.

[G Force]

This is the dumbest thread I've ever seen. Larry Brown is the reason the Bobcats are even sniffing their first playoff appearance. While he was making all these crazy trades, we were left scratching our heads wondering where this was going. Now look at the pieces he's trying to fit into the puzzle. We're almost there.

[CarolinaBlue704]

This is the dumbest thread I've ever seen. Larry Brown is the reason the Bobcats are even sniffing their first playoff appearance. While he was making all these crazy trades, we were left scratching our heads wondering where this was going. Now look at the pieces he's trying to fit into the puzzle. We're almost there.

I agree.There isn't another coach I'd take over Brown.Like any coach he has his weaknesses.But Brown is one of the greatest coaches in the history of basketball,and we're lucky to have him.You've lost your mind if you think Brown needs to go for this team to reach its "potential".

[teej]

I agree.There isn't another coach I'd take over Brown.Like any coach he has his weaknesses.But Brown is one of the greatest coaches in the history of basketball,and we're lucky to have him.You've lost your mind if you think Brown needs to go for this team to reach its "potential".

You wouldn't take Sam Vincent?? :o

Seriously though, LB is good, but there's a reason he's been around. He's a teacher and a coach, and that's really better suited for the college game than the NBA, but if he's leaving every 4 years, there's not much difference is there?

[CarolinaBlue704]

You wouldn't take Sam Vincent?? :o

Seriously though, LB is good, but there's a reason he's been around. He's a teacher and a coach, and that's really better suited for the college game than the NBA, but if he's leaving every 4 years, there's not much difference is there?

I'm not sure what you're getting at,but I'll take Brown for 3-4 years over any other coach.Just imagine if Brown hadn't come here and cleaned house....

[teej]

I'm not sure what you're getting at,but I'll take Brown for 3-4 years over any other coach.Just imagine if Brown hadn't come here and cleaned house....

What I'm getting at is, while he is a great teacher, he's a poor manager of egos, emotions, and players, and that means that he needs to move on and start over every few seasons. I just hope we aren't left with a bare cupboard.

[CarolinaBlue704]

What I'm getting at is, while he is a great teacher, he's a poor manager of egos, emotions, and players, and that means that he needs to move on and start over every few seasons. I just hope we aren't left with a bare cupboard.

Couldn't disagree more.Now I don't always agree with Browns rotations.But in my opinion,Brown is one of the best coaches at handing players emotions and egos.If Brown wasn't the 'Cats coach,I would have been really worried when we traded for both Jackson and Thomas.But since he is the coach,I never doubted the decision to bring them in.

[JamieMcNeill]

Death to this thread till at least the end of next year.

[teej]

Couldn't disagree more.Now I don't always agree with Browns rotations.But in my opinion,Brown is one of the best coaches at handing players emotions and egos.If Brown wasn't the 'Cats coach,I would have been really worried when we traded for both Jackson and Thomas.But since he is the coach,I never doubted the decision to bring them in.

I understand that part. He's good with the rough and tumble bad rep players like Sheed, AI, Jack, etc. Although he couldn't work with Nate Robinson...

But he has been bad with managing both the marginal players and the younger players, because he tears them a new one repeatedly. Really, that's why he works so well with guys like Jack and Sheed, because someone who doesn't command them won't get them to do anything. But some players need coddling and/or a more sensitive approach, and LB is beyond incapable of doing that. Let's just take a look at his stay here, because looking at much more would take forever.

Matt Carroll: Before LB came, MC Hammer was a great 3 point shooter off the bench, and could be a piece on a contender or a major part of a bad team (like ours at the time). In the 2005-06, 06-07, and 07-08 seasons where Matt got lots of PT, he shot 39%, 41%, and 44% from 3, respectively. In 34 games (and 10 starts) for Larry Brown, he shot a little over 26%. He hasn't been much better in Dallas since the trade, and doesn't show any signs of coming back.

Adam Morrison: I'm not going to gloss over the injury like it had no effect, but in 06-07 Adam was a solid player, and while he was learning, he showed signs of progress. Then, under LB, he looked beyond scared to shoot, and his numbers were way down across the board. While I don't like to use PER, it's a box score analysis that shows how his numbers went down, and it went from a 7.9 in 06-07 to a 5.7 under LB.

Vladimir Radmanovic: Prior to his trade here, he was shooting 44% on his threes in LA. He had never shot below 34%, and his career average NOW is 38%. However, last year he shot 36% and saw a PER decrease from 11.6 to 10.2 after arriving in Charlotte. But that was last year. This season, in Charlotte he shot 32% on threes, and in Golden State he is 27%. His PER here this season was 8.1, and in GSW is 8.0. That's horrible for a guy who should be a sixth man on a winning team.

Prior to the last three games, DJ Augustin has been in a season long funk.

Alexis Ajinca may never see the light of day on an NBA court even though he has all the tools

Larry certainly didn't manage Raja's ego well...

But maybe that's just me...

[Scottley Crue]

From all I've heard/read/seen, I believe LB is like that teacher you had in school that you hated while you had them but later realized (and fully appreciated) how much they did for you. Look at alot of his former players before games...many revere him for what they did for their games. Look at Crash now, you know he's thrilled at what LB has done for him.

It takes a thick skin to play for him...maybe some of the younger players just don't have that simply because of age...but as long as players understand that he's trying to help, it seems to me that the benefits much outweigh the negatives.

[CarolinaBlue704]

I understand that part. He's good with the rough and tumble bad rep players like Sheed, AI, Jack, etc. Although he couldn't work with Nate Robinson...

But he has been bad with managing both the marginal players and the younger players, because he tears them a new one repeatedly. Really, that's why he works so well with guys like Jack and Sheed, because someone who doesn't command them won't get them to do anything. But some players need coddling and/or a more sensitive approach, and LB is beyond incapable of doing that. Let's just take a look at his stay here, because looking at much more would take forever.

Matt Carroll: Before LB came, MC Hammer was a great 3 point shooter off the bench, and could be a piece on a contender or a major part of a bad team (like ours at the time). In the 2005-06, 06-07, and 07-08 seasons where Matt got lots of PT, he shot 39%, 41%, and 44% from 3, respectively. In 34 games (and 10 starts) for Larry Brown, he shot a little over 26%. He hasn't been much better in Dallas since the trade, and doesn't show any signs of coming back.

Adam Morrison: I'm not going to gloss over the injury like it had no effect, but in 06-07 Adam was a solid player, and while he was learning, he showed signs of progress. Then, under LB, he looked beyond scared to shoot, and his numbers were way down across the board. While I don't like to use PER, it's a box score analysis that shows how his numbers went down, and it went from a 7.9 in 06-07 to a 5.7 under LB.

Vladimir Radmanovic: Prior to his trade here, he was shooting 44% on his threes in LA. He had never shot below 34%, and his career average NOW is 38%. However, last year he shot 36% and saw a PER decrease from 11.6 to 10.2 after arriving in Charlotte. But that was last year. This season, in Charlotte he shot 32% on threes, and in Golden State he is 27%. His PER here this season was 8.1, and in GSW is 8.0. That's horrible for a guy who should be a sixth man on a winning team.

Prior to the last three games, DJ Augustin has been in a season long funk.

Alexis Ajinca may never see the light of day on an NBA court even though he has all the tools

Larry certainly didn't manage Raja's ego well...

But maybe that's just me...

So just because Larry is hard on ALL of his players,that means he is bad at handling player emotions and egos?You're entitled to your opinion,but there probably isn't a single person evolved in the NBA that would agree with that statement.Most coaches do not believe in treating certain players special. You're not only saying that Brown made these players worst while they were playing for the "Cats,but you're trying to tell me that they continue to play bad on other teams because of Brown?So basically you're saying that Brown scard them for life.Yeah,I'm not buying it.And If a player can't handle Larry riding them,then they're probably not cut out for the pressure of the NBA anyway.

I do not believe Brown had any effect on those numbers dropping for the players you mentioned.Especially DJ,because he came in here last season as a rookie and lit it up.And I'm pretty sure Brown rode DJ just as much last year,if not more,as he does now.DJ just got off to a bad start at the beginning of the season,and started thinking too much instead of just playing.

At the end of the day,Brown has helped many players in this league become better players.And most of them did NOT have tough attitudes like AI and Rasheed.There are two players on the Bobcats roster that are evidence of that,Mohammed and Ratliff.Brown coached them both when they were young players.They became better players,and their attitudes are the complete opposite of a Rasheed or AI.

You cant build a track record like Brown if you're bad at handling player emotions and egos,plain and simple.Especially a great college coach like Brown was.

[BRNC]

This is not the kind of thing you need "popping up" when you're in a play-off race...

...under "News and Views"...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/frank_hughes/03/08/john.wall/

[spectre]

http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2010/03/would-brown-leave-for-clippers.html


I don't know whether Brown approached the Clippers, as a fall-back position if Michael Jordan didn't buy the Bobcats. I do know Brown would like the Clippers to consider Billy King, should they make a change at general manager.
Brown says he's happy here. He got what he wanted when Jordan agreed to buy controlling interest in the team. I also know Brown's wife and children are back in Philadelphia and it seems unlikely she'd move to Charlotte. And Brown met his wife in Southern California, when he previously coached the Clippers.
Obviously, as often as Brown has changed jobs in the past, you'd be really naive to assume he's incapable of moving again. And that would be a shame for the Bobcats, considering all the good work he's done in Charlotte.
LB made it pretty clear he was "outta here" if Postolos bought the team. Since that's now moot I think he's here for a while.

[BRNC]

spectre...no one really knows (maybe not even LB) what LB will do...thing that bothered me was MJ gave assurances he'd do all to buy the team...it is not as if the Clippers or 76s are/were going to do anything about there situations (long term) before the end of the season...

This just speaks volumes to me about LBs confidence in MJ to actually do what he said he'd do...I'm not sure how this is going to go over with MJ...

[spectre]

Remember Postolos was the favorite until MJ swooped in at the end, and LB was very vocal on what that meant in regards to him staying in Charlotte. Since LAC would be a prime destination for him (wife's from there) and they'd just moved their GM/coach to GM only I don't blame him for looking out for himself.

I'd also bet MJ knew all about it, and I doubt he'd consider it a knock. Basically..."if you're not here I won't be either".

[BRNC]

spectre...I can only hope you are correct and MJ knew...

[Brown'sTown]

So just because Larry is hard on ALL of his players,that means he is bad at handling player emotions and egos?You're entitled to your opinion,but there probably isn't a single person evolved in the NBA that would agree with that statement.Most coaches do not believe in treating certain players special. You're not only saying that Brown made these players worst while they were playing for the "Cats,but you're trying to tell me that they continue to play bad on other teams because of Brown?So basically you're saying that Brown scard them for life.Yeah,I'm not buying it.And If a player can't handle Larry riding them,then they're probably not cut out for the pressure of the NBA anyway.

I do not believe Brown had any effect on those numbers dropping for the players you mentioned.Especially DJ,because he came in here last season as a rookie and lit it up.And I'm pretty sure Brown rode DJ just as much last year,if not more,as he does now.DJ just got off to a bad start at the beginning of the season,and started thinking too much instead of just playing.

At the end of the day,Brown has helped many players in this league become better players.And most of them did NOT have tough attitudes like AI and Rasheed.There are two players on the Bobcats roster that are evidence of that,Mohammed and Ratliff.Brown coached them both when they were young players.They became better players,and their attitudes are the complete opposite of a Rasheed or AI.

You cant build a track record like Brown if you're bad at handling player emotions and egos,plain and simple.Especially a great college coach like Brown was.

I'm pretty sure it's been documented that LB deferred DJ's criticism to Raymond last season and this year he's getting it directly. Either way, what is he supposed to do, hold DJ's hand while he takes a poop? DJ's been getting minutes every night, he's got to produce. There's something to be said for coaches who can take mediocre players and inflate their ego's to the point where they actually believe they're better than their opponents and grossly overachieve(Coach K comes to mind), but at the same time if you're talent potential is well above mediocre like DJ then you need to just go out there and play ball and quit being such a puss. You can't blame Brown for Morrison's faults. For one, he got a chance to show what he could do, and two he's probably the worst defender in the league. I just read an article yesterday saying that in LA his defense has gotten even worse. They said whoever he's guarding in practice constantly attacks him and scores at will. The guy tore his ACL getting crossed up by Luke Walton for cryin out loud! Even if he put up 15-20 points a night his man would probably top him most of the time. It was just a botched pick, much like DJ. Now the way LB handles some of the other young guys I could see how you could be unhappy with him. More on that in a minute. I only have 3 real complaints about Brown. 1.) Insisting we pick DJ over Lopez when we desperately needed bigs and he fell to us, not to mention we spent a #5 pick on a PG a couple years earlier and neither of the coaches played him at point enough to develop him, nor could they teach anyways. 2.) Trading for Gana Diop instead of just playing Nazr, of course without number 1 I doubt we would have made this trade. 3.) Allowing guys like Derrick Brown and Stephen Graham to play great in one game, then not play a minute in the next. That's one area where I could see him really hurting a guys confidence or attitude. It's one thing if you're DJ and you're getting 20 minutes every game and doing absolutely nothing with it, but if you're Brown or Graham and you rip it up in limited minutes then don't even get to play the next 3 games then what can you do? That has to be incredibly frustrating. I think Brown could be doing better, but at the same time if you look at our roster it's pretty much garbage as far as talent when compared to most playoff teams, so we can't complain too much. We're doing better than a number of teams with better talent and we're doing better than we ever have in the past.

[teej]

Most coaches do not believe in treating certain players special.

:facepalm:

Tim Duncan gets treated the same as Matt Bonner or DeJuan Blair?

Kobe is treated the same as Morrison or Vujacic?

Artest is treated the same as well, anyone?

Or in football, Peyton Manning is treated the same way as Jim Sorgi and Curtis Painter? Or for the Panthers, John Kasay was treated the same as Rhys Lloyd?

Usually the stars and eggshell egos get coddled, the younger players and role players are the ones who are coached up, and the bench warmers are the whipping boys.

With LB, no one is coddled, and everyone is a combo of the last two.

Why do you think LB couldn't coach the Olympic Squad in '04? Or why he's only coached three or four legitimate stars for any major period of time in nearly 40 years of coaching.

[CarolinaBlue704]

:facepalm:

Tim Duncan gets treated the same as Matt Bonner or DeJuan Blair?

Kobe is treated the same as Morrison or Vujacic?

Artest is treated the same as well, anyone?

Or in football, Peyton Manning is treated the same way as Jim Sorgi and Curtis Painter? Or for the Panthers, John Kasay was treated the same as Rhys Lloyd?

Usually the stars and eggshell egos get coddled, the younger players and role players are the ones who are coached up, and the bench warmers are the whipping boys.

With LB, no one is coddled, and everyone is a combo of the last two.

Why do you think LB couldn't coach the Olympic Squad in '04? Or why he's only coached three or four legitimate stars for any major period of time in nearly 40 years of coaching.

That's the only sentence in my entire post that you could attack?I guess I made my point.I'll be moving on now.But before I do I'm going to explain to you what I meant.

When I said that most coaches don't believe in treating certain players "special",I was referring to your statement that some players need,"a more sensitive approach".Most coaches do not believe in that, especially on the NBA level.Once you reach the NBA as a player you are considered a professional,the coaches are not there to hold your hand like you're some kind of child.The coach is there to teach the player,not be friends.Like I said,if a player can't handle Larry riding them,then that player probably isn't cut out for the pressure of the NBA anyway.And like I also said,you cant build a track record like Larry Brown if you're bad at handling player emotions and egos.It's simply impossible.

With that said,I made my point and I'll be moving on now.Don't even bother replying,cause I want read it.So now you can go use your little facepalm smiley somewhere else...

[teej]

That's the only sentence in my entire post that you could attack?I guess I made my point.I'll be moving on now.But before I do I'm going to explain to you what I meant.

When I said that most coaches don't believe in treating certain players "special",I was referring to your statement that some players need,"a more sensitive approach".Most coaches do not believe in that, especially on the NBA level.Once you reach the NBA as a player you are considered a professional,the coaches are not there to hold your hand like you're some kind of child.The coach is there to teach the player,not be friends.Like I said,if a player can't handle Larry riding them,then that player probably isn't cut out for the pressure of the NBA anyway.And like I also said,you cant build a track record like Larry Brown if you're bad at handling player emotions and egos.It's simply impossible.

With that said,I made my point and I'll be moving on now.Don't even bother replying,cause I want read it.So now you can go use your little facepalm smiley somewhere else...

Kthxbai, enjoy the interwebzz. :biggrin:

I wasn't "attacking" anything, I was merely shocked that anyone would expect a coach, especially in the pros, to treat all his/her players the same way. The rest of your post was either your specific opinions (something I cannot give an angle to) or the DJ part, which Brown'sTown had already talked about and I didn't want to cover twice.

Also, I think you'd find "teaching" in the NBA to be sorely lacking. How many guys have been traded to an LB team and said they've never been taught basketball before, even after 5, 7, even 10 years in the pros? Most coaches ARE supposed to be the highly paid players friends, and if they can teach the benchwarmers and lower draft picks something too, well then that's just gravy.

You're probably right that someone who can't take a coach's riding isn't cut out to be a pro, but there have been a lot of headcases/wusses who have been parts of winning teams.

[Toocool]

There will always be favoritism in the world. Just like in the NBA. Stars get treated better than others (Getting easy calls on them, then they complain when they don't get fouls).

[BRNC]

LB indicates (to Bonnell) that decision for him to stay or go will be up to MJ...

http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2010/03/brown-on-clippers-speculation.html

[spectre]

Bobcats coach Larry Brown, on an SI.com (http://si.com/) report linking him to the Los Angeles Clippers. "I can't stop stuff from getting out," he said. "I love coaching. I love being around (owner) Michael (Jordan). I don't know how that stuff gets started."

:biggrin:

Seriously...it's been reported that LB inquired during the stretch where it looked like MJ wasn't going to get the team. Bonnell on the other hand wrote ANOTHER blog post yesterday trying to fuel something that isn't even there.

Gotta sell the rag I guess.

[ALong13]

Now Philly is another possible option...Larry Brown still has his family in Philly and has stated that he doesn't like being so far away from his family. Philly worries me more than LAC

[cltblkhscoach]

I was telling someone the other day that if Larry leaves, I'd be disappointed, but I'd understand. I mean, he's in his 70's and he probably wants to spend as much time as possible doing the things he loves with the people he loves. My question though is, is there any assistant coach on our staff right now that could take over?

[teej]

I was telling someone the other day that if Larry leaves, I'd be disappointed, but I'd understand. I mean, he's in his 70's and he probably wants to spend as much time as possible doing the things he loves with the people he loves. My question though is, is there any assistant coach on our staff right now that could take over?

Dave Hanners. He's been LB's right hand man for about ten years now, and he's the de facto HC when LB is either too tired or gets ejected.

And what I want to know is how do his teenage kids feel about having a 69 year old dad who coaches an NBA team hours away from where they live. Do they even know what he looks like? :g:

[spectre]

For whatever it's worth, Brown has assured his posse he'll remain with Jordan as long as the Bobcats' new majority owner can stand his incessant demand for personnel change.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/more_sports/dunleavy_learns_of_firing_online_dXKGaEzOE3icdWn3d c1EGI#ixzz0hyawx31k

[teej]

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/more_sports/dunleavy_learns_of_firing_online_dXKGaEzOE3icdWn3d c1EGI#ixzz0hyawx31k


Isiah Thomas looks mighty good this time of year, Donald! :biggrin:

Good to know LB is decently content.

[cltblkhscoach]

A little off topic, but that article kind of opens the eyes to why Dwayne Wade didn't want to give us credit when we beat them on Tuesday. Lebron and Melo have always been professional with us, and we've beaten both of them this year. I'm kind of with everyone else in disliking Wade now after that.

[teej]

A little off topic, but that article kind of opens the eyes to why Dwayne Wade didn't want to give us credit when we beat them on Tuesday. Lebron and Melo have always been professional with us, and we've beaten both of them this year. I'm kind of with everyone else in disliking Wade now after that.

I have a feeling Wade bore the brunt of LB's "teaching" though, since he was the guard among that trio. LBJ and Melo probably look back on it now and are thankful, Wade isn't. Yet.

[murphman]

LOL

And when LB isn't coaching our guys or giving his input to the FO, he's helping out other teams too. He da man!

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/20100312_76ers_near_a_decision_on_Jordan.html

[teej]

LOL

And when LB isn't coaching our guys or giving his input to the FO, he's helping out other teams too. He da man!

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/20100312_76ers_near_a_decision_on_Jordan.html

He told them not to because when he said that, we still had 2 games left against them :biggrin:

[spectre]

A little off topic, but that article kind of opens the eyes to why Dwayne Wade didn't want to give us credit when we beat them on Tuesday. Lebron and Melo have always been professional with us, and we've beaten both of them this year. I'm kind of with everyone else in disliking Wade now after that.

Nah, I don't think that's the case at all. After we beat the hell out of them back in January Flash said:


"They're one of the best NBA teams at home," Wade said. "They really get after teams here. We came out early and we were flat and didn't make shots. That's a no-no against a team like this."

I think he was just pissed off his mates bailed on him vs wanting to disrespect us.

[GoBobs]

Well there is one job that Larry would take a long hard look at if it came open. I doubt ol Roy is in any trouble yet but if he loses like this next year, I don't know. But I think Larry loves some of the players on our roster for his style of ball. Gerald Wallace for one, Hell he plays him every possible minute of every game almost. Diaw is also a Brown favorite and I know he thinks Tyrus Thomas is a massive tallent he could make into a great player. If we go on a run in the playoffs it is hard to leave a good situation.

[BRNC]

Sorry I did not get this up sooner...watching PTI (I think Friday...might of been Thursday)...after LB assuring he'd stay if MJ would tolerate the "incessant" trade request....anyway...they were playing "odds" on PTI...Tony only gave LB a 15% chance of staying with us (he thinks he's going to the Clips)...Mike only gave him 40% to stay with us....I'd have to think these are "past history" rather than "inside information"...I thought it was curious though...:g: