Wallace.?.?.?.

[truDUKEfan]

:confused: Ok before you send all the hate this way just a question :confused: To us bobcats fans who have seen Primo play and wit. the draft of '06 lol and are still here I just wanna know what you think it would take to pry Wallace (a.k.a. The Heart and Soul of the Team) away from us and What would or Could we get in Return, Not saying I endorse this but since the F.O. has turned B.Wright-Morrison-emeka (saved$$) into what we have now, it makes you think........

[Marvel]

The development of Derrick Brown could counter trading Wallace but unlikely under LB.
It would have to be a 3 for 1.Gerald is only 27 and i still think he can improve.I would trade Jax before i trade Crash.

[kickazzz2000]

The development of Derrick Brown could counter trading Wallace but unlikely under LB.
It would have to be a 3 for 1.Gerald is only 27 and i still think he can improve.I would trade Jax before i trade Crash.

I dunno about all that, but I'd trade Primo for your avatar and never look back. :biggrin:

[WarioVsMooChicken]

If we had Primoz, we'd have no problem containing Howard =)

[ammofan]

We should've never dumped Primoz......he was quite the player!

[truDUKEfan]

What I was thinking was more along the lines of the large expirings and all we have to throw in a deal next year........maybe we could cover the 2 major holes in our line up (scoring p.g./dom. center) If somehow we could land a paul/okafur trade i would be glad to see him back in orange and blue and with the way Collison has performed, Paul might not be out of reach and if we would of had OK50 this year we might have ten more wins. Just a thought and with just those two we would be competing in the eastern confrence finals in 2011. B/c there is no way phelts is worth more than 5/6 million a year not now or never.....(trade bait)

[teej]

Okafor has no heart. I don't want him back here.

Crash is the heart and soul of what this team is to the league, the fans, and the community. He's a role model, and works his ass off.

There's no way we could trade him for anything of value.

[mj4life]

i think it's to early with this core to decide if we need to trade anybody of value, if ray comes with a reasonable price then we should only tweak the roster a little bit for next season. they really need a year or two to figure out what pieces we need to make the next step and with mohammed and chandler 18 million in expiring contracts we have some flexibilty at next years trade deadline or next summer to make some moves, we should also get more next year from brown and henderson(both have shown flahes with the little pt they got this year)

[GoBobs]

Crash is a top player in the league and we should try to retool around him. We don't have much flexibility this summer but I would love to see Jax traded. After next year we will have more flexibility to add a free agent star to the mix.

I wouldn't trade Wallace because it is hard to get good value for a top player. If I had to pick somebody to target in return it might be Steph Curry because he is young and has lots of upside.

[davcbow]

If we had Primoz, we'd have no problem containing Howard =)

Where is that raskel gangsta?

[Brown'sTown]

We don't have the trade pieces to land any young player who is already a stud. We could however, land a stud who is being underused or is unhappy somewhere. You just gotta look out for guys who are demanding trades and you might land a deal like the one we got for Jack. As for bench players with potential, a guy like Brandon bass would be a good target. He proved to be a solid player in Dallas and he can't even get in the game in Orlando, I'm sure he hates being there. Steph Curry is wishful thinking, he's untouchable. There could be some possibilities with the Hornets though. I don't think Collison is going to want to be a bench player much longer. He's ready to start on most teams so NO is going to have to chose at some point if they want to trade Collison and maybe not get fantastic value in return or save a load of cash and move CP3. It's still doubtful that we would have something they want for either of those guys. This is a tough situation for us because if you're not a team with a prestigious history then you're best bet is always to build through the draft which we suck horribly at. We've already blown getting Brandon Roy and Brook Lopez. It may be a while before we have those opportunities again. The worst part is that the guys we picked over them didn't produce anything at all.

[BRNC]

Crash is not the problem...

[Brown'sTown]

Crash is not the problem...


He has been a problem though. He and Jackson score a huge chunk of our points and have been the most consistent scorers. They have the biggest responsibility to show up because we don't have other scorers to compensate for their lack of performance. When Gerald gets 13 and 8 it hurts. He's got to demand the ball and do something with it, especially if we're going dry.

[BRNC]

He has been a problem though. He and Jackson score a huge chunk of our points and have been the most consistent scorers. They have the biggest responsibility to show up because we don't have other scorers to compensate for their lack of performance. When Gerald gets 13 and 8 it hurts. He's got to demand the ball and do something with it, especially if we're going dry.

I agree...but "demanding" the ball vs. our PG deferring the ball to Jax and Doris...?

The guys with the ball in their hands (Ray, Jax, and Doris) have made piss-poor (IMO) decisions with it...that's the problem...

[110oldeast]

There are a multitude of problems. The first is we are playing the defending Eastern Conference Champs who are more balanced than we are and have more FLOOR SPREADING SHOOTERS than we do, making it hard to help on them. Deferring to Jack and his constant isolating is certainly a problem. Raymond not being aggressive in penetrating when it is there is a problem. I would not say that Boris is deferred to. I agree that Crash should get the ball more, but I also think for the strides he has made, he is still more offensively limited than many folks recognize and/or accept. It's part of makes it easy for him to disappear against good teams.

As for as Gerald's game is concerned, what many people fail to understand and/or accept is that his offense is easier to WALL OFF when we go against good defensive teams than poor teams. People see the constant coast to coast right hand dominated drives when we play the Clippers, Wolves, and/or Sixers and think that it translates to all games. But it doesn't. When that is attempted against Orlando, they take away the angle and it makes finishing really difficult.

On the baseline drive move, he can be devastating when help defense doesn't come. Unfortunately, good defensive teams will face him up and measure him for a charge with a help defender. There was ONE play that seem to take Crash out of the game yesterday and it is when Vince actually got into a stance and the defenders behind him walled up. Vince knocked it away, Crash got stuck with the ball for about 8 seconds and kicked it out at 7 out of frustration. These are the reasons that despite explosive bursts, Crash has failed to be as significant in crunchtime as folks would expect.

I think one of the biggest issues for us has been the selling of Crash and Jack as our modern day Jordan and Pippen. I think they are strong talents and have good length for defense, but the buildup has done them and the team a disservice in terms of realism and expectations.

What I find interesting is that no matter how many 33% shooting games, 5+ TO games, etc. that Jack has, that no one in the media or anything will mention the need to reduce how much we lean on him for. As always is sportswriting, there is a script and people see everything in context of that. The script coming into this was that Crash and Jack carried this team all year and could continue to do so, even though it wasn't fully accurate, especially when looking at games against good teams. Unfortunately, it has set us up for the disappointment and frustration that many are currently experiencing.

[Marvel]

He has been a problem though. He and Jackson score a huge chunk of our points and have been the most consistent scorers. They have the biggest responsibility to show up because we don't have other scorers to compensate for their lack of performance. When Gerald gets 13 and 8 it hurts. He's got to demand the ball and do something with it, especially if we're going dry.


LB implied that the problem was our poor offensive execution in not getting Wallace involved more on offense.

[BobcatsAllDay]

As for bench players with potential, a guy like Brandon bass would be a good target. He proved to be a solid player in Dallas and he can't even get in the game in Orlando, I'm sure he hates being there.

We wanted him here and I think we came close to offering him a deal but he chose Orlando. I don't feel sorry for him and his limited playing time. He should have analyzed the situation before he signed. Nobody wants to ride the bench.

[GoBobs]

Wallace has looked better this year on offense than any prior season. He is scoring on post ups and coming off screens for jump shots, two things we haven't seen him do before this season. All his shooting numbers this year are above his career average and his 3pt % is by far a career best.

Also he doesn't do that thing where he stops the ball movement by holding it for 5 sec sizing up his man before he drives anymore.

[Marvel]

Also he doesn't do that thing where he stops the ball movement by holding it for 5 sec sizing up his man before he drives anymore.

I think he gave that away to Jax, didn't he.