Next year's roster...lets speculate

[TattoodCats4life]

Being we don't play today, and we may as well start accepting the fact that no team has come back from being down 0-3 in NBA history, lets do something more fun and interesting...lets take some guesses at what we might do this offseason, and take some guesses.

Felton's situation is precarious, I honestly think the management is going to see what offers he gets (if any after his showing in the playoffs) and go from there, he may well end up having to take less than we offered him last season.

One thought that crosses my mind is also the option of a sign and trade with one of our expiring bigs (like tyson), my thought is either we get someone good at 1 or 4 in return, or maybe a pick (lottery, or a late first and second both). I'm probably optimistic, our expirings will likely help us out much more at the deadline...but if we could get something good then I'd rather do it early.

Anything else, I'm not sure but with no picks this year, its going to be interesting to see what we do with free agency. Hopefully we bring back theo, hughes, and flip (he wants to come back from what I've read)

[G-Force FTW]

Being we don't play today, and we may as well start accepting the fact that no team has come back from being down 0-3 in NBA history, lets do something more fun and interesting...lets take some guesses at what we might do this offseason, and take some guesses.

Felton's situation is precarious, I honestly think the management is going to see what offers he gets (if any after his showing in the playoffs) and go from there, he may well end up having to take less than we offered him last season.

One thought that crosses my mind is also the option of a sign and trade with one of our expiring bigs (like tyson), my thought is either we get someone good at 1 or 4 in return, or maybe a pick (lottery, or a late first and second both). I'm probably optimistic, our expirings will likely help us out much more at the deadline...but if we could get something good then I'd rather do it early.

Anything else, I'm not sure but with no picks this year, its going to be interesting to see what we do with free agency. Hopefully we bring back theo, hughes, and flip (he wants to come back from what I've read)

I want to see Ajinca up next year because he seems like he could be able to handle Dwight Howard, unlike the centers we have now.

[JGib23]

Been thinking about the same thing....

PG-Felton for no more than MLE. If he wants more, we have to let him go. We could sign Steve Blake, Luke Ridnour, for much less and get similar production or start DJ and try to sign a viable cheap back up)back up (Will Bynum, CJ Watson type player who could give you 20 minutes of solid play).

SG- Captain Jack and Gerlad.... We really need to develop Gerald. I think this is a position of strength (compared to the rest of the roster).

SF- Crash and......? we need a young player to groom here... I wonder If Golden State would take NAZR's expiring and filler for Corey Maggette? C-Mag could back up both the 2 & 3 and is pretty accepting of his bench role in G.S That would make a pretty good trio to split 96 minutes between...

PF- Really would love to move Diaw but, who would want him? maybe this would be a good Maggette Swap with GS (diaw's contract is one year shorter and would fit in good with GS)........ Need to resign Tyrus and let him start (let's hope he works on his post moves this summer but, his energy and athleticism is soooooooooo needed on this team.

C-No easy solution here... It would be nice to trade the Chandler and Nazr expiring's and get some value but, what over paid players with bloated contracts are teams wanting to get rid of that you would like to have here? I can think of 3 players that could help tremendously and we could get for the expirin'gs but, I'm not sure the contracts are worth taking on.... Gilbert Arenas (most likely a no because of the legal issues), Elton Brand (would give us the low post scoring that we are lacking, Baron Davis (don't want him back in Charlotte but, he's still at 31 better than any PG we have ever had on the Bobcats. I don't see any way to get out from under Diop's deal.

[G Force]

Need to find a way to get rid of Boris and have Tyrus start at 4.

Keep Felton, even though Jameer Nelson has revealed every one of his weaknesses.

Somehow free up that money that's going to WASTE tied to Chandler, Diop and Nazr. Combined, they're costing the team $50.5 million through 2011.

[BETCATS]

Just some random thoughts:


i doubt felton is comming back- it may or may not have been decided before this series, but it certainly has by now. As much as i think it is unfair, we will be making this decision off economics (not going over the cap) and support it with populism (not too many people want Ray back after his shitty playoff performance).


I think their is a good chance we get TJ Ford. We have been trying to get him since forever. If Raymond leaves, TJ would be happy to start for a team that wants him. This might not be the worst thing in the world. After all, it has been proven that when guys feel they are wanted here, they preform (ie Tyrus, Diaw last year, Jackson, and so on)


We will most likely resign Tyrus. He has proven his worth. Give him more play time, and we could really be looking at the Tyrus Thomas everyone has wanted to see since the day he was drafted.


If their is a way to re-sign Hughes AND re-aquire Flip i am all for it. If we let Felton walk we will need somebody to bring the ball upcourt, so minutes wouldnt be an issue.


I, the noblest of the noble defenders of Boris Diaw, wish to see him traded. He has played with very little energy and does not belong on this team. When the match is lit under his ass, Diaw reaches for an ice pack as opposed to feeding off it.


I hope LB doesnt leave, but i still dont think we are out of the woods on this one. It is only a matter of time before his next 'dream job' comes up. With free agency and retooling of many teams this summer, it is only a matter of time...

[bobcatniners09]

Please get a legit center. Find a way to get rid of Diop, Nazr or Chandler.

Love to have Davis or Ford over Felton.

Hope LB stays.

We reallyyyyy need a solid three point threat.

[G Force]

TJ Ford isn't good enough to start for the Bobcats.

Let me rephrase that.


TJ Ford isn't good at all.

[Felton for Prez]

I want to see Ajinca up next year because he seems like he could be able to handle Dwight Howard, unlike the centers we have now.

That's sarcasm, right?

[Toocool]

PG: I have no idea what's going to happen here. I don't know whether we'll resign Felton or what.

SG: Jax+Gerald: I don't want Hughes when Gerald is more athletic, more talented, more potential and is younger. If Gerald puts in the hard yards this off-season, I would like to see him pull around 15 mins backing up Cpt Jack.

SF: Crash+Graham+UPS: Crash is obvious. Graham has stepped up and shown us he can produce minutes. I didn't like him at first, but kudos to him for playing well in his limited minutes. UPS is also there to play, hopefully he can get some burn.

PF: TT/UPS:AA: Trade Diaw, let TT start at PF. With good minutes TT can probably be a solid 15/10 person with work on the off-season. UPS, his second position, he's undersized here but played here his college career so he should be fine. AA is out of pure hope that he continues to improve to the point where he can play in the NBA.

C: I have no idea. We have expiring contracts and then we have Diop. TC will opt in for his PO, so he'll be starting. I would like to keep Theo and Nazzy as backups, but Theo lacks an offensive game, and Nazzy lacks a defensive game. If there was some way to merge them together...:g:

So that's my speculation. I doubt we draft a rookie.

[110oldeast]

We need some FREAKING SHOOTERS, period. They make the game EASIER for all parties.

When I listen to people's potential players, it seems everyone mentions guys who are terrific individual players, but none have pure shooting capabilities.

THAT's what makes Orlando so hard to defend. That's what makes their spacing awesome. That's makes it impossible to help without potentially paying a price. At some point we need some shooters that on a kickout can knock down the NO HESITATION jump shot.

[BobcatsAllDay]

What if the GM for OKC is taking a peak at our games and seeing the activity of Tyrus Thomas? Could you imagine adding Ty's activity and athleticism to that young team? Currently they're starting Jeff Green at PF which I think is crazy. I want this guy to start for us but someone in our organization is infatuated with the potential of a 7 year NBA vet.

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[teej]

potential of a 7 year NBA vet.

Huh? 7 years? That's before the 'Cats existed, bud.

[BobcatsAllDay]

Huh? 7 years? That's before the 'Cats existed, bud.

I said that meaning someone in our organization is waiting for Diaw to change. His skill set says he can average 16pts, 8 reb, 6ast but he's not going to be aggressive enough for this to happen. But he has been around for seven years if my math is correct.

[GoBobs]

Here is what I would do.

First I would call Brian Colango and tell him we will deal any group of players aside from Wallace in a sign and trade for Bosh if he wants to come to Charlotte.

If that doesn't work I would ty and salary dump Diop by packaging him with either Stephen Jackson or DJ. This shouldn't be that hard there are going to be lots of teams with cap space that don't land that big free agent but want to put vet pieces around there young guys in hopes of making the playoffs. Good potential partners would be the Kings, Heat, ect.

I might also move Nazr if I could get a high second round pick or a low first round pick for him. Ditto for Chandler.

If I can clear enough cap room I am hiring the best salesman I can find and using all of Jordans star power to go hard after Lebron and Wade. Even if the chances are slim to none. Even if there is only a 1% chance I go after it.


We need some FREAKING SHOOTERS, period. They make the game EASIER for all parties.

Exactly my thinking. The best shooter on the planet is Chris Lofton who played most recently in Europe. We could bring him in cheap as a backup sg. He isn't built to defend nba shooting guards, but he is scrappy. His defensive limitations won't be a problem with Gerald and Tyrus behind him to clean up when somebody gets by. I am telling you this guy can stand 5 feet behind the 3pt line and you have to cover him. That will really space it out for the other guys and we will never see a zone when he is on the floor.

If Theo wants to come back I sign him because he is cheap. He has easily been the best value at the center position for us this year.

Tyrus I try to sign for the qualifying offer. If somebody offer him a contract I think is reasonable I match it.

Felton I offer 4yrs 16 mil and am willing to go to 5yrs 20 mil to resign him.

If I can trade any of the players I want to dump for picks, I would target Vernado in the draft.

Roster:

Felton/DJ
Hendo/Lofton
G Wallace/Brown
Diaw/Thomas
Theo/Ajinca

Other possible additons would be: Chandler or Nazr if they aren't traded, draft picks (vernardo), Free agents (possibly Flip, Graham)

I don't know if this lineup could be as good as this years team but it would be fun to watch. Gerald Wallace has shown a lot of growth in his offensive game this year and I would make him more of the focal point. Worst case the team is bad and we get a lottery pick going into next summer. We would also have lots of cap room that summer if we wanted to go after a free agent like Melo or Nene or both.

[Marvel]

I was thinking of some acquisitions today that could help us next season.

1.Chris Kaman-I don't know how we go about getting him but the Clippers thinking-i wish it is anyway-is that Griffin and Kaman might now work out since they're both dominant post players.We trade TC in a package,they fill the void with their cap space.Kaman is a beast,he's almost unguardable.

2.Shaun Livingston-This kid can still play.He was going off during the month of April.He's shown desire to compete after his knee injury, he's a warrior.I watched a Wizards game-don't ask why-and he looked very good for someone who got both knees blown out and waived a couple times in one season.

3.Sign and trade with Felton,in a package possibly.

[teej]

I'd love Kaman, but I'd like Big Al more.

[BobcatsAllDay]

If we could pull off a trade for any of the following players it could only help;

Diop (He had to save Mark Cuban's life or something)
Diaw (This guy is getting paid more than Jack, this year and next year)
Felton (Sign & Trade that makes sense)
Nazr (Although I think he will be a commodity next year as his deal is expiring)

[Toocool]

We wouldn't be able to pull Jefferson from the Timberwolves. Only way I see us getting Jefferson is trading Diaw+DJ or something around those lines). Unless the GM of Timberwolves is a dumbass, we wouldn't get that trade. Since they already have Flynn, Sessions and Rubio.

[Marvel]

Trading Wallace straight up would work, but if i'm MJ i'm not pulling the trigger.Trading 18-10 for 18-10 don't make sense.

[teej]

We wouldn't be able to pull Jefferson from the Timberwolves. Only way I see us getting Jefferson is trading Diaw+DJ or something around those lines). Unless the GM of Timberwolves is a dumbass, we wouldn't get that trade. Since they already have Flynn, Sessions and Rubio.

A) I'd do that trade in a heartbeat. Everyone knows Rubio isn't coming, so much so that the T'Wolves haven't talked to or scouted him since the season started.

B) The GM of the Wolves is by far a dumbass. Just retarded.

C) I was thinking more Jax, Hendo, and Lexy for Al and Wayne. Why the hell not?

[G Force]

We wouldn't be able to pull Jefferson from the Timberwolves. Only way I see us getting Jefferson is trading Diaw+DJ or something around those lines). Unless the GM of Timberwolves is a dumbass, we wouldn't get that trade.

I'm pretty sure either Al Jefferson or Kevin Love will not be playing together next season since they were getting catty with each other earlier in the year like some social climbing teenage girls. Actually, Al was offered in a trade for Danny Granger, which was immediately shot down. FACT: Al Jefferson is not untouchable and happens to be one of my favorite players in the league.

[GoBobs]

Jackson + Diop for Al ^-^

[Fred Williamson]

I wouldn't mind to get rid of anyone except Crash, if we get value in return.

PG: Felton? GTFO. I've had enough. I like this attitude and hustle but talent-wise he's average at best for a NBA point guard. Time for a change. Try to start DJ and sign a veteran (blake, Watson,.....) who could take over the role as a starting point guard, if DJ fails.

SG: I don't know about Jax. I like him and he's been a great contribution, but if there's a chance to get picks, young talent and expirings for him, I would immediatly pull the trigger, because I don't want to keep him until he's 35.
-Keep Henderson. We've seen it, this kid CAN PLAY. I hope works on his outside shot in the offseason.

SF: Crash is only tradeable if Ferry calls us and mentions Lebron's name. Oh, and Larry, please play UPS more.

PF: I don't care if we get rid of anyone and try to find a new solution.

C: Nazr can be kept. I like him as a backup center, but if there's a chance to trade his or Chandler's contract and get value in return, DO IT ROD.


We need some FREAKING SHOOTERS, period. They make the game EASIER for all parties.

When I listen to people's potential players, it seems everyone mentions guys who are terrific individual players, but none have pure shooting capabilities.

THAT's what makes Orlando so hard to defend. That's what makes their spacing awesome. That's makes it impossible to help without potentially paying a price. At some point we need some shooters that on a kickout can knock down the NO HESITATION jump shot.

This is the most important thing to consider during the offseason. WE NEED SHOOTERS. The only guy one this team who can hit 3's at a moderate rate is our backup point guard. I've already mentioned it a dozen times, you can't win games by driving to the hoop only. LB needs to wake the fuck up and realize that any team that wants to be competitive in today's league must have at least 3 or 4 guys on it's roster, who can drain it from outside.

[Toocool]

I'm pretty sure either Al Jefferson or Kevin Love will not be playing together next season since they were getting catty with each other earlier in the year like some social climbing teenage girls. Actually, Al was offered in a trade for Danny Granger, which was immediately shot down. FACT: Al Jefferson is not untouchable and happens to be one of my favorite players in the league.

I stand corrected.

[zt001]

Do you guys think there's anyway we pull off a trade to get Chris Paul? Attending games, and sitting next to MJ at the court has to bring about some ideas. They have a PG rookie that is great so they can afford to trade CP3 probably and save some money. If Shinn is in sell mode, he'll want to get some expiring contracts, maybe Nazr or Chandler (back). I think we definitely need some help in terms of scoring and some energy and CP3 would be awesome.

[TattoodCats4life]

Something I am kinda wondering, does anyone else think that MJ's presence could bring us some talent in and of itself? I mean D-wade is part of MJ's lineup now among others.

What do you think we could get if we combined a sign and trade on felton one of our huge expiring contracts and diaw?

I'd do CP3 and NO's first round pick (They get expiring, ray as a backup to their new superstar, and a good option for mismatches in boris, we get CP3 and hopefully something fairly decent in the draft).

I'd also investigate what it'd take to get the first pick, im sure it could be done, proven versus potential, send them the expirings (assuming its NJ, and they fail to get the king, who wont go there, they may be willing to swap some things).

I wonder who's coaching next year, rumors have it that the 76ers are waiting until tuesday to call larry, and MJ will let him go, so who else is MJ friends with who can coach?

[jdsingar]

I hate to be a buzzkill here but do we have anything worth a damn? Let's see our trade assets:

Captain Jack- Not going anywhere, and couldn't get too much for him anyway. He's getting bank.

Crash- No. No No No. Unless it is for Chris Paul, a first rounder, and taking on Gana Diop's contract. Cookies would be nice too.

Felton- Sure, sign and trade could work but..is he worth anything after this playoffs? We could probably sign him for MLE easy now.

Tyrus- He does have value with a sign and trade. But please keep this guy.

TC, Gana, Nazr- Not worth anything. TC maybe, but that will be more towards the middle of the season.

Young Guns...DJ, Hendo, UPS- These guys have some value, but it's marginal at best.

I don't know what we can do. I believe Rod will work something out. All we need is an efficient scorer, preferably at the 4 or 5. An excellent sixth man would also do the job.

[davcbow]

I wonder who's coaching next year, rumors have it that the 76ers are waiting until tuesday to call larry, and MJ will let him go, so who else is MJ friends with who can coach?

Screw that, lets try to keep Larry..Another year or 2 with LB and this team would be built and awesome.. LB just knows talent and he knows how to get talent here using no more tools than what we got and a few draft picks.

We must keep LB in my opinion...:cool:

[BRNC]

I think we have to over pay to keep Ray...so I'd say no to that...sign a vet FA at a more reasonable deal and there will be a few available...

I'd trade "Doris" but he'd have to be packaged...

Jackson (who I like) will have value and I have my doubts about what he'll do (if LB does leave) with a new coach...but of our players with value (him and Crash) I'd trade him before Crash...

TC and Nazr both will have expiring contracts...I'd like to keep Nazr (and offer Theo the vet minimum) and hope to get someone for the TC expiring...

Try to get Flip back if he really does want to be here...

Hulk is OK but nothing special...

Diop will be a hopeless cause (trying to trade him) so we're stuck unless we take even worse garbage back...

[Chef]

Do you guys think there's anyway we pull off a trade to get Chris Paul? Attending games, and sitting next to MJ at the court has to bring about some ideas. They have a PG rookie that is great so they can afford to trade CP3 probably and save some money. If Shinn is in sell mode, he'll want to get some expiring contracts, maybe Nazr or Chandler (back). I think we definitely need some help in terms of scoring and some energy and CP3 would be awesome.

NO has publicly stated their number 1 priority is to rebuild around cp3 and keep him in NO long term. we already did our best work to get him, in saddling them with mek. our best bet is via FA in 2012 or a trade in 2011 to avoid NO losing him for nothing.

[swetooth9]

We need some FREAKING SHOOTERS, period. They make the game EASIER for all parties.

When I listen to people's potential players, it seems everyone mentions guys who are terrific individual players, but none have pure shooting capabilities.

THAT's what makes Orlando so hard to defend. That's what makes their spacing awesome. That's makes it impossible to help without potentially paying a price. At some point we need some shooters that on a kickout can knock down the NO HESITATION jump shot.

I have been saying this about the bobcats since day 1. We need at least 1 or 2 really good 3-pt shooters who aren't afraid to take them. Hopefully at the PG position, since sjax and gforce will fill our 2 and 3 position. I know DJ is a great 3pt shooter, but he won't take them unless he's crazy open. Ray sucks at 3's...

[spankymoore7]

Make a couple trades

Ajincia, Chandler, Mohammad to NO for Okafor, Stojakovic
Save NO a ton of money with the luxury tax, get us better offensively inside and a back up 3 point shooter at the forward spot

Diaw to NYK for Curry(haha just hear me out), Two 2nd Round Picks
Move Diaw, let TT start. Save money after next year, and can use picks to trade up for mid to later 1st rounder or stay and get two prospects

PG: DJ, Flip(bring him back!)
SG: Jackson, Henderson
SF: Wallace, Stojakovic, UPS
PF: TT, draft pick or vet
C: Okafor, Ratliff, Diop, Curry

Get younger in our starting lineup, better offensively. Back up 4 and 5 is weak, but can use the picks for depth and look to free agents(Ben Wallace maybe?) Thoughts?

[Chef]

Make a couple trades

Ajincia, Chandler, Mohammad to NO for Okafor, Stojakovic
Save NO a ton of money with the luxury tax, get us better offensively inside and a back up 3 point shooter at the forward spot

Diaw to NYK for Curry(haha just hear me out), Two 2nd Round Picks
Move Diaw, let TT start. Save money after next year, and can use picks to trade up for mid to later 1st rounder or stay and get two prospects

PG: DJ, Flip(bring him back!)
SG: Jackson, Henderson
SF: Wallace, Stojakovic, UPS
PF: TT, draft pick or vet
C: Okafor, Ratliff, Diop, Curry

Get younger in our starting lineup, better offensively. Back up 4 and 5 is weak, but can use the picks for depth and look to free agents(Ben Wallace maybe?) Thoughts?

NO MEK! we tried that once already and got really lucky to move his terrible contract.

[Fred Williamson]

Make a couple trades

Ajincia, Chandler, Mohammad to NO for Okafor, Stojakovic
Save NO a ton of money with the luxury tax, get us better offensively inside and a back up 3 point shooter at the forward spot

Diaw to NYK for Curry(haha just hear me out), Two 2nd Round Picks
Move Diaw, let TT start. Save money after next year, and can use picks to trade up for mid to later 1st rounder or stay and get two prospects

PG: DJ, Flip(bring him back!)
SG: Jackson, Henderson
SF: Wallace, Stojakovic, UPS
PF: TT, draft pick or vet
C: Okafor, Ratliff, Diop, Curry

Get younger in our starting lineup, better offensively. Back up 4 and 5 is weak, but can use the picks for depth and look to free agents(Ben Wallace maybe?) Thoughts?


please tell me you are joking

[ammofan]

I wish we could've just kept Mek. He had a bad contract but at least he averaged a double-double.

[G Force]

What happened to some of the smarter Bobcats fans on here? Did they begin hibernation for the summer, believing the Bobcats were already out of it? Am I on the wrong board? Okafor AND Curry? I love trading away Ajinca, Chandler and Mohammed. But not for Emeka and Peja. EW!! We'll pretend you didn't mention Eddy Curry either.

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2008/03/15/alg_knicks.jpg

[jdsingar]

I think we should sign Stephon Marbury while we are at it. Isn't Jerome James' contract expiring after this year as well? Resign Hughes, try to acquire Renaldo Balkman for AA straight up. With Curry in the fold for Diaw, we could be like the New York Knicks. That would put us on the five year trajectory to sign two max free agents! John Wall in Charlotte 2016!

[DCW]

I kinda like the idea of Diaw for Curry. If this happens in the offseason we could unload him by the trade deadline.

[ziggy]

I kinda like the idea of Diaw for Curry. If this happens in the offseason we could unload him by the trade deadline.

I can't think of any reason that I would want Eddy Curry on this Bobcats team. I'll pass on that.

[ajbry]

The offseason is fucking long enough to begin with, there's always plenty of time to analyze every possible roster change when it actually rolls around...

Until then, this team is still in the playoffs and we should be enjoying it.

[teej]

Eddy Curry and Mek? We'd have the least passionate team ever.

Hell naw.

[JGib23]

I'd take Curry and his expiring contract to get out from under Boris's deal.. Would save us like 8 or 9 million after next season. That would also free up playing time for Tyrus.

We are solid at the 2 and 3 and locked into contracts at the 5. Our 2 biggest decisions. Do we pay Ray even 1 dollar over the MLE and how do we get rid of Boris and get something of value:g:

[RixFan16]

Hey guys, I was just looking over the FA's for next year and knowing our two biggest needs (PF1 and SF2) was wondering if there is any chance we chance we can get David Lee, Chris Bosh, or Carlos Boozer at PF and Jason Kapono, Kyle Korver, or Mike Miller at SF. Any three of the PF options provide us with an inside presence, while any three of the SF options provide with with bench shooting/scoring. Plus if we resign Ty & Larry and bring back Flip and draft a young PG (Maybe Willie Warren from Oklahoma), we can have a team that might look like this:

PG - D.J. Augustin / Larry Hughes / Willie Warren
SG - Stephen Jackson / Flip Murray / Gerald Henderson
SF - Gerald Wallace / Kyle Korver / Derrick Brown
PF - David Lee / Tyrus Thomas / Alexis Ajinca
C - Tyson Chandler / Nazr Mohammed / DeSagana Diop

[SWedd523]

I'd take Curry and his expiring contract to get out from under Boris's deal.. Would save us like 8 or 9 million after next season. That would also free up playing time for Tyrus.

We are solid at the 2 and 3 and locked into contracts at the 5. Our 2 biggest decisions. Do we pay Ray even 1 dollar over the MLE and how do we get rid of Boris and get something of value:g:

Next year Boris will be expiring, on a smaller contract than Curry..... How do we save money?

[teej]

Next year Boris will be expiring, on a smaller contract than Curry..... How do we save money?

He's an expiring the year after next. From what I can tell 2011/2012 is fully guaranteed for Boris.

[dav7z]

Next year Boris will be expiring, on a smaller contract than Curry..... How do we save money?

Lots of instresting post i just read through . Lots of very unrealistic trades , most not considering cap, need, an trade value.
1st Boris has trade value and his contract isn;t that bad. He should net much better than a Curry in return , Beside the team all ready has 4 centrrs 5 if you count LEXY.

Jefferson could be instresting but i don't see us with any thing to fill thair needs. Except Wallace of mabe JAX. I could see them doing Jefferson and a first for Wallace. Is that somthing we consider giving up.

Do we consider Chandler for a longer tern quility player. To stay under the tax.

Felton only has value to us if we resign him . Other teams have no need to just give away true value for nothing. They could just sign Felton straight up.

Just a few thoughts out of all thease post.

[SWedd523]

teej if that's the case then it's a surprise to me. I thought year after next was an option year. Go figure. Still would never trade him for Eddy Curry though unless we got a first out of it.



I think not resigning Ray could work. Resigning Flip/Larry and another vet backup would work, we drafted DJ for a reason, might as well use him while we have him.

Resigning only Tyrus would keep us enough under the cap to give us some wiggle room to sing some vets

[teej]

we drafted DJ for a reason

LB drafted DJ because he didn't know if Felton was an NBA starter. Funny how 2 years after LB arrived people are still doubting Ray. He's like Donovan McNabb.

DJ played just as bad as Ray this series. He's a shooter who couldn't shoot. He ran the offense about as well as McInnis. I'd rather let Flip run the offense than DJ.

[BRNC]

SWedd...he's got a guaranteed through 2011/12...

[DwiLLL]

Bring Jerryd Bayless to Charlotte!

[SWedd523]

LB drafted DJ because he didn't know if Felton was an NBA starter. Funny how 2 years after LB arrived people are still doubting Ray. He's like Donovan McNabb.

DJ played just as bad as Ray this series. He's a shooter who couldn't shoot. He ran the offense about as well as McInnis. I'd rather let Flip run the offense than DJ.

People are doubting him because he single-handedly gave Jameer the nickname "The Human Torch". He struggled offensively, yeah... what's new. But he got flat out rectally reamed on defense, his supposed strong suit. But wait, he couldn't guard Jameer because he was too busy helping on Dwight, right? You mean that same Dwight who averaged what, 25 minutes a game?

Sure you can make that weak ass blanket statement that DJ played horribly too, but you'd most certainly be wrong. He played better D on Jameer than Ray did. Which is dumbfounding, especially when you consider that DJ isn't known for his defensive abilities. He also ran the offense much better and faster than Ray and made less stupid decisions.

For example, I watched tonight as Ray dribbled the ball into the lane... get stuck... toss some weak ass pass to the outside, only to have it get tipped and sent the other way for a fast break. Later, DJ did the same thing, only he kept his dribble and went under the basket and back out to the perimeter (like we all were taught in middle school).

I also saw DJ take the ball and actually drive HARD to the lane trying to get buckets. Something that Ray seems to only want to do with >1 minute on the clock.



But sure, if you want to locked into up-and-down mediocrity for 7+ over the next 4/5 years then I can see where you're coming from. Letting him walk, or doing a S&T saves us money on DJ's smaller/shorter contract. Besides, aren't you one of the fellas in the "Sign CP3 when his contract runs out" camp? Why resign Ray if that's the case?

[SWedd523]

Bring Jerryd Bayless to Charlotte!

Don't get me started on that.

[teej]

People are doubting him because he single-handedly gave Jameer the nickname "The Human Torch". He struggled offensively, yeah... what's new. But he got flat out rectally reamed on defense, his supposed strong suit. But wait, he couldn't guard Jameer because he was too busy helping on Dwight, right? You mean that same Dwight who averaged what, 25 minutes a game?

Sure you can make that weak ass blanket statement that DJ played horribly too, but you'd most certainly be wrong. He played better D on Jameer than Ray did. Which is dumbfounding, especially when you consider that DJ isn't known for his defensive abilities. He also ran the offense much better and faster than Ray and made less stupid decisions.

For example, I watched tonight as Ray dribbled the ball into the lane... get stuck... toss some weak ass pass to the outside, only to have it get tipped and sent the other way for a fast break. Later, DJ did the same thing, only he kept his dribble and went under the basket and back out to the perimeter (like we all were taught in middle school).

I also saw DJ take the ball and actually drive HARD to the lane trying to get buckets. Something that Ray seems to only want to do with >1 minute on the clock.

But sure, if you want to locked into up-and-down mediocrity for 7+ over the next 4/5 years then I can see where you're coming from. Letting him walk, or doing a S&T saves us money on DJ's smaller/shorter contract. Besides, aren't you one of the fellas in the "Sign CP3 when his contract runs out" camp? Why resign Ray if that's the case?

A) DJ didn't make as many horrible decisions as Ray because he didn't have enough time. Look, Ray played pretty poorly. But the difference between him and DJ is he plays a team game, which resulted in him making more bad decisions this series. When Boris, or Theo, or Jack aren't doing what they're taught, then Ray trying to be a team player blows up in his face. He tried to create when it wasn't there, because that's what LB taught him to do.

B) The Dwight stuff wasn't my big deal, though in the first game everyone was lost on rotations, which is why Jameer got his stuff. Not to mention Jameer made ridiculous shots a whole lot, like his twisting J over Diaw, his buzzer beater, his 3 with Theo all over him, and a few floaters over the trees. I've obviously not followed closely, but I'd wager half or more of his points came when Felton wasn't playing on him.

C) DJ appeared to play better for a couple reasons. One, he didn't rotate off Jameer (like LB likes) when it was called for, though in this series that was a smart move. Thus, he didn't get caught by Jameer shooting a wide open three. He played selfish D, which looks good, but isn't helpful for the team. Problem is, everyone and their mother was playing selfishly for us. Even Crash was at points. Ray was the only one who tried to trust his teammates, and they repeatedly made him look bad.

D) On offense, DJ couldn't hit a shot any time we needed. Now, I don't necessarily mind that, but only if he was taking a shot low in the shot clock or he was wide-open. Problem is, he tried to create for himself like he was LeBron or Kobe. He refused to find any teammates who were hot at the time and just looked to shoot. He had too much confidence.

E) While you know I hate PER, Ray's per was more than double DJ's for the series. Ray had better shooting percentages, and better ORTG and DRTG. So much for DJ playing better D. Also, DJ ended up with a negative win share rating. Ray's was positive. Not exactly a crowning moment for DJ, was it?

F) I don't want Ray for 4/5 years, nor for 7 million. He lost a ton of money this series, and I don't want him back for any more than 10k over the MLE for 3 years with a mutual option for a 4th (which would allow us to get CP3 if he wanted to come).

Stats don't lie. One stat might, but a whole line of them? Not so much.

[DY_nasty]

What did Larry Brown do to DJ? lol

I know I can't be the only one thinking that something catastrophic must have occurred in their relationship. I've never seen any player fall off the way that DJ has so early in their career.

[thesnowman22]

1) Felton is eons better than DJ. Hes not Chris paul, but he's a servicable starter at PG.

2) We need a low post scorer and three point shooters. Gerald Wallace is, to me, untradeable unless you are getting Wade or Lebron or someone, and that WILL NOT happen, so hes basically staying. Trade Diaw, DJ, Chandler- get someone in the low post who can at least CATCH the ball. Three point shooters can be role players, but we need a couple.

3) We need to keep larry brown. I pray he stays once in his life.

4) Tyrys needs to start over diaw.

5) I think as great as Jackson has been, if you could get great value for him, i mite consider it. but ONLY if he was involved in a deal to get a true superstar here or two very good players. Obviously you would have to move several others with him.

5) One reliable low post threat and two role-playing shooters and we are a legit threat to anyone in the east.

[kickazzz2000]

Don't get me started on that.
oy vey. gives me a headache. instead we got a :rolleyes: smurf

[Scottley Crue]

5) One reliable low post threat and two role-playing shooters and we are a legit threat to anyone in the east.

I'm with you. Those two things will make this team so much more difficult to handle on the offensive end.

[etothet]

People are doubting him because he single-handedly gave Jameer the nickname "The Human Torch". He struggled offensively, yeah... what's new. But he got flat out rectally reamed on defense, his supposed strong suit. But wait, he couldn't guard Jameer because he was too busy helping on Dwight, right? You mean that same Dwight who averaged what, 25 minutes a game?

Sure you can make that weak ass blanket statement that DJ played horribly too, but you'd most certainly be wrong. He played better D on Jameer than Ray did. Which is dumbfounding, especially when you consider that DJ isn't known for his defensive abilities. He also ran the offense much better and faster than Ray and made less stupid decisions.

For example, I watched tonight as Ray dribbled the ball into the lane... get stuck... toss some weak ass pass to the outside, only to have it get tipped and sent the other way for a fast break. Later, DJ did the same thing, only he kept his dribble and went under the basket and back out to the perimeter (like we all were taught in middle school).

I also saw DJ take the ball and actually drive HARD to the lane trying to get buckets. Something that Ray seems to only want to do with >1 minute on the clock.


But sure, if you want to locked into up-and-down mediocrity for 7+ over the next 4/5 years then I can see where you're coming from. Letting him walk, or doing a S&T saves us money on DJ's smaller/shorter contract. Besides, aren't you one of the fellas in the "Sign CP3 when his contract runs out" camp? Why resign Ray if that's the case?



You have got to be kidding. He shot 29% from the field and had 7 assists for the whole series. Most of time DJ was guarding Jason Williams. If we let Ray walk, fine if that is the decision of the FO, but make no mistake about it, DJ is not close to bringing it on the same level with Ray. Ray had a tough series but still shot 40% from field, 12 points, 5 assists, and 3 boards, 1.5 turns. No one wants to really call it like it really is. Jax stagnates the offense by consistently driving into doubles and turning the ball over. He did not trust his teammates. You have got to find the open man when you are doubled. Our big men played piss poor help defense on the pick and roll. Nobody wanted to help and that is what makes the bobcat defense great. Jameer needed to know that the paint was not going to be friendly place to roam, but they rather hung Raymond out to dry to be the scapegoat for Jameer's paint party. Now Raymond did not play as agressive as I would have liked, but DJ is not the answer at the point guard in my opinion. I also felt Larry Brown sat Raymond sometimes too long. He would play whole first quarter and come in with about 4 minutes left in the second. The minutes were not my concern but the way minutes
were spaced.

[SWedd523]

Actually no, I'm not kidding in the least bit. This offseason will be the Ray or Tyrus offseason. Who is more important? Ray, or the guy who was the second best player in the series?

Again.. bolded this time: Ray can stay, if and only if, he takes a much smaller contract than the one he turned down last offseason. If any indication points to him expecting $7mil on average then he needs to go because we do not need to invest that much money in an average PG.

[teej]

Actually no, I'm not kidding in the least bit. This offseason will be the Ray or Tyrus offseason. Who is more important? Ray, or the guy who was the second best player in the series?

Again.. bolded this time: Ray can stay, if and only if, he takes a much smaller contract than the one he turned down last offseason. If any indication points to him expecting $7mil on average then he needs to go because we do not need to invest that much money in an average PG.

Only way he gets more than 6m per year is if the Knicks or Miami lose out on everyone in FA. And then, he'll be an overpaid guy on a bad team.

[SWedd523]

All reports indicated him turning down 7 per last year. He's had his best year (save for the playoffs) and you expect him to take less?

[etothet]

Actually no, I'm not kidding in the least bit. This offseason will be the Ray or Tyrus offseason. Who is more important? Ray, or the guy who was the second best player in the series?

Again.. bolded this time: Ray can stay, if and only if, he takes a much smaller contract than the one he turned down last offseason. If any indication points to him expecting $7mil on average then he needs to go because we do not need to invest that much money in an average PG.


Maybe or maybe not. One series does not totally define the value of a player. The FO has the decision. We will see.

[teej]

All reports indicated him turning down 7 per last year. He's had his best year (save for the playoffs) and you expect him to take less?

The playoffs make or break a contract year. He showed us that, at least right now, he can't perform when it matters. That means he's not too valuable.

Plus, most teams with capspace already have quality PGs, like Baron in LAC, Rose in Chi-town, Jonny Flynn/Rubio in Minny, Devin Harris in NJ, Westbrook in OKC, Tyreke in Sac-town, and really being honest, D-Wade (if he stays in MIA) is the only guard the Heat need.

For Ray, it's the Knicks, maybe the Heat, or the MLE.

[mrtarheel]

Trade Boris, Nazr and Dj to Minny for Al and Sessions. Trade Chandler for Collison and Kristic. Sign free agents Leon Powe, Travis Outlaw, Larry Hughes. Resign Felton only if he comes cheap.

Felton, Sessions
Jax, Hendo, Hughes
Crash, Outlaw, UPs
TT, Collison, Ajinca
Al, Kristic, Diop

[DY_nasty]

Al Jefferson is a headcase, but whats one more at this point? If Larry Brown sticks around to reel him in I'd be all for it though. My dream offseason would be throwing away Diaw and Chandler to get him somehow while picking up Mike Miller for peanuts. Also buying the Hawks' pick would be nice, maybe pick up Eric Bledsoe late in the first round.

[Dcarnys]

All I know is that I would still trade Diop's contract for a bag of peanuts.




But only the honey roasted ones. I have some standards.

[spectre]

All reports indicated him turning down 7 per last year. He's had his best year (save for the playoffs) and you expect him to take less?

Ok...the other post/thread was a misunderstanding. My apologies.

Look on the bright side: we all knew we would probably lose the series (been nice to have gotten one or two, but whatever). Maybe it results in LB coming back because he feels there's more left to do and Felton gets re-signed on a great contract.

[BRNC]

Well...the longer LB drags out a decision the tougher it will be on the organization...and as much as I'd Ray signed quickly who can blame him trying to find his FA value...looks like a long summer...:cool:

[Chef]

Trade Boris, Nazr and Dj to Minny for Al and Sessions. Trade Chandler for Collison and Kristic. Sign free agents Leon Powe, Travis Outlaw, Larry Hughes. Resign Felton only if he comes cheap.

Felton, Sessions
Jax, Hendo, Hughes
Crash, Outlaw, UPs
TT, Collison, Ajinca
Al, Kristic, Diop

you couldn't get nba 2k10 to accept these trades. no way in hell we get al for 2 expirings + dj. we would have to throw in a #1 to.

[SWedd523]

Ok...the other post/thread was a misunderstanding. My apologies.
No worries at all! I wasn't clear enough in my post so I can see where the confusion comes from.



Look on the bright side: we all knew we would probably lose the series (been nice to have gotten one or two, but whatever). Maybe it results in LB coming back because he feels there's more left to do and Felton gets re-signed on a great contract.

As long as its low enough for us to retain Tyrus then by all means.

[K1NGofAKR0N]

yeh we cud use al and id say we go for shaun livingston who can def ball but wed be able to get him low $$ but is al safe? he did get tht acl injury

[DY_nasty]

Even with his cursed legs, Shaun Livingston would instantly be the greatest passer and ball distributor in Bobcats history.

Say we get rid of Felton AND DJ, who's the best for the job after that?

[SWedd523]

Free Agents or trade possibilities?

[DY_nasty]

Either way really. Ray is gone. Its time for people to accept it. MJ doesn't want to pay for mediocrity. He's going to get a LOT of attention in this free agent market as he's one of the few point guards in it and the teams that don't get the big name guys will try to land him just to get something out of the cap space - the bidding for him will make it hard for the Bobcats to land him at a reasonable price unless he decides that he loves NC enough to miss out on a few million dollars. The odds of him staying are slim at best.

DJ, meh.

Eric Maynor anyone? The ghost of Tony Parker maybe? DJ+Nazr for Patty Mills and Rudy (not sure if the numbers matchup but w/e).

[K1NGofAKR0N]

Get rid of ray hes done then sign livngston and trade dj and nazr for big al and sessions and mayb (just a dream) get rid of diop b/c i dont know if its smart to hav to giant contracts like tht and al might not end up being that reliable

[dav7z]

Get rid of ray hes done then sign livngston and trade dj and nazr for big al and sessions and mayb (just a dream) get rid of diop b/c i dont know if its smart to hav to giant contracts like tht and al might not end up being that reliable

I think it would take at least JAX , Nazz, DJ . To get it done even on the trade checker . Welcome to BOBCATSPLANET

[dav7z]

Even with his cursed legs, Shaun Livingston would instantly be the greatest passer and ball distributor in Bobcats history.

Say we get rid of Felton AND DJ, who's the best for the job after that?

Do you think Livingston is still that good ?

[DY_nasty]

Do you think Livingston is still that good ?
No, but every point guard that we've ever had has been pretty crappy to mediocre at best anyway lol

Livingston on his worst day is still a better passer than most pgs in the NBA. That doesn't mean that he'll be able to stay on the floor though. I wouldn't mind seeing him play for peanuts here, but after his miracle showings with the Wizards, I doubt he'll be playing anywhere for the minimum. His upside is still too high.

[K1NGofAKR0N]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NW7Kx9-LP1w&feature=related looking pretty good here

[DY_nasty]

i think shaun wud be pretty eager to sign with us b/c were one of the few decent teams that hed have a good chance of starting for
lol, sad but true

[Ampsportsduo]

Not going to take time to break down all the moves suggested in this thread, but some folks need to stop posting while under the influence.

1. Who is coaching this team? Until this is resolved, we don't know what style of players will best fit the system. LB's a special coach, so if the team is forced to bring in someone else they probably won't be able to effectively emulate LB's system.

2. Everyone seems to agree that we need at least one more 3-point threat. The interesting part for myself is that some people are acknowledging this, but also wanting increased burn for Gerald Henderson. I'm not a big fan of his game, but if there's one thing we can all acknowledge is not the strength of his game, it's 3-point shooting. If he gets significant minutes, it will have to be at SG. Pairing him with DJ makes for a small backcourt and having him alongside Crash means neither the 2 or 3 is a shooter. How is this a good situation? Maybe someone can explain.

3. DJ will not start for a playoff caliber team as long as his defense continues to be woeful. The unfortunate part for DJ is I don't think it's for lack of trying.

4. Raymond's contract expectations:I would be hard pressed to pay him more than Jameer (6.1, 6.7, 7.3, 7.8). Not just because of the series, but because with Jack and Crash, the PG can be a secondary role. The problem I see is the lack of FA PGs available to the point that Ray's probably the best. This is probably what his agent anticipated (hence the higher price last year) and could result in a higher payday from a different team. I would certainly make a call to Steve Blake's agent, but only for a backup role. Make no mistake, this team will not be better if Raymond leaves unless a trade involving a point guard is made. The problem there, however, is how many PGs that we would want aren't considered untouchable?

[spectre]

Not going to take time to break down all the moves suggested in this thread, but some folks need to stop posting while under the influence.

1. Who is coaching this team? Until this is resolved, we don't know what style of players will best fit the system. LB's a special coach, so if the team is forced to bring in someone else they probably won't be able to effectively emulate LB's system.

Absolutely. Until this is resolved all other moves/ideas are secondary. Odds are if LB doesn't come back most players don't continue their progression.

For discussion's sake I'll assume LB stays another year for the rest of your post.

2. Everyone seems to agree that we need at least one more 3-point threat. The interesting part for myself is that some people are acknowledging this, but also wanting increased burn for Gerald Henderson. I'm not a big fan of his game, but if there's one thing we can all acknowledge is not the strength of his game, it's 3-point shooting. If he gets significant minutes, it will have to be at SG. Pairing him with DJ makes for a small backcourt and having him alongside Crash means neither the 2 or 3 is a shooter. How is this a good situation? Maybe someone can explain.

He's going to have to make huge strides this summer to up his burn significantly. Up to now he's shown very little to prove he can play with any consistent impact.

Assuming LB is here I think he ends up being traded/replaced by a veteran gunner.

3. DJ will not start for a playoff caliber team as long as his defense continues to be woeful. The unfortunate part for DJ is I don't think it's for lack of trying.

In a lot of ways his defense has improved, but in others he hasn't. There's a reason LB subbed out PGs based on what the opposition did throughout the season. Since DJ was "protected" this way some fans don't realize the real spread defensively between our two PGs. There's less than a 1 point spread in opponent's PER between the two, with one vs starters and the other vs backups.

The bigger thing to me is his weakness in making things happen, esp. in a half court set. Whether this is from being scared or messing up or what...IMO he'll have to overcome that before he can be other than a backup.

Because he's so "sensitive" I don't know that it'll ever happen under Larry Brown.

4. Raymond's contract expectations:I would be hard pressed to pay him more than Jameer (6.1, 6.7, 7.3, 7.8). Not just because of the series, but because with Jack and Crash, the PG can be a secondary role. The problem I see is the lack of FA PGs available to the point that Ray's probably the best. This is probably what his agent anticipated (hence the higher price last year) and could result in a higher payday from a different team. I would certainly make a call to Steve Blake's agent, but only for a backup role. Make no mistake, this team will not be better if Raymond leaves unless a trade involving a point guard is made. The problem there, however, is how many PGs that we would want aren't considered untouchable?

I've never really thought he'd get as much as Jameer but it's possible due to FA. You've hit the nail on the head however about the lack of other options. Because of the Orlando series some are screaming "anything but the status quo" and that show's no foresight. Patience now will serve better in the future.

If Felton isn't re-signed I hope to look for a trade (other than TJ Ford)...the other FAs are all nothing but backups/retreads as well, and the franchise can't afford stepping back at this stage.

For simplicities sake I responded in your quote.

[mj4life]

I want to see Ajinca up next year because he seems like he could be able to handle Dwight Howard, unlike the centers we have now.
would like to see ajinca play more but not against howard he just doesn't have enough muscle to bang with howard for more than a couple of minutes at a time

[Ampsportsduo]

Spectre, :cheers1:


If Felton isn't re-signed I hope to look for a trade (other than TJ Ford)...Do you have any targets in mind? A guy like Devin Harris could potentially be available, but seems like a terrible fit because of his poor 3-pt shooting. I'd love either NO PG, but so would most teams. It seems like if this team is able to make a move, it would have to be for someone like Jarrett Jack or maybe one particular suspended PG, whose contract makes me fearful.

[spectre]

Spectre, :cheers1:

Do you have any targets in mind? A guy like Devin Harris could potentially be available, but seems like a terrible fit because of his poor 3-pt shooting. I'd love either NO PG, but so would most teams. It seems like if this team is able to make a move, it would have to be for someone like Jarrett Jack or maybe one particular suspended PG, whose contract makes me fearful.

I'd go all out for Devin Harris and I'd look to refit the 2 to him. I think he's the ultimate choice and I'd give up about anything except Crash to get him...and depending on the package I might have to consider him.

Hinrich, but I'm not thrilled with that. An "all else fails" trade. I'd love Andre Miller, but with his fitting in I doubt he's available. Kidd? I haven't watched the playoffs, but it sounded like he had a dreadful series.

Ridnour and Blake for most of/all the MLE, but I'd hate to do that as they're all really backups. Same with Jack, but depending on the Bosh situation they might want to hold onto him and trade Caleron (no!).

There's just not a lot of choices.

Edit:

Of course before all that I'd look to see if CP3 was available. I also think it's not a bad idea to plan for his opt out if he can't be traded for.

[BRNC]

If Ray goes (and barring a trade none of us can really see) then we are going to be rather "slim" at PG...

The LB decision is holding every thing up at this point...I think I've already said (in this thread or another) if it is a family decision it should already have been made....but if we're (organization) are being used to "leverage" another job I'm just pissed...:facepalm: