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spectre

04-27-2010, 03:41 PM

:hysterical:

http://www.bobcatsplanet.com/vb/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=165272

Maybe I'm just a "cup half full" type of guy, but I agreed with MJ's comments that this team hasn't had a lot of time together and could improve upon itself with an off season to grow. Besides, the status quo only has to be for part of next season. Depending on how we use those 2 fat expirings (TC & Nazr) we can do a lot of things either during next season or next off season.

I'll admit I was pretty butt hurt after the 3rd game and last night didn't get any better. I've been able to "step away" tho and realize we've accomplished a lot of good things and we're still set up to continue them. We're only in "cap hell" for a small time frame and then we have all sorts of flexibility. Draft picks don't concern me anymore since we can't draft for crap, and I like the trades we've been doing so far.

6 years is nothing, and regardless of the screw ups I still really like this team.

We might have gotten swept...but life is still pretty damn good.

I take it you're the "cup is half empty" type of guy...

Chrystos

04-27-2010, 03:44 PM

Wow, that is a depressing article. :confused:

walkerl

04-27-2010, 03:56 PM

Well, since Kellydamus said we don't have a chance, I guess the Bobcats should not play at all next year.. Kelly's opinion is no more valid than the clown above me, because all it is an opinion.

Mustachio

04-27-2010, 03:58 PM

:hysterical:

http://www.bobcatsplanet.com/vb/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=165272

I take it you're the "cup is half empty" type of guy...

haha i knew you'd be the first to drop a positive bomb on me.

I just dont see how you could be positive about it though, sorry. To me, if the Bobcats are gonna exist soley to "make" the playoffs and maybe scrub the feet of the elite teams in the NBA, then ill turn in my season tickets right now. If we arent gonna compete and make moves to win championships, whats the point?

We are early in our existence i know and understand that, and this is the first step. but dude, we didnt even look like we could be Harding High School out there, and with our cap limitations and 0 draft picks, i dont see how it can get better. and the article provides pretty damning evidence of my stance.

I hope against hope, that I am wrong and we win games. better luck next year i guess.

as always though... Go Bobcats.

bing!

04-27-2010, 04:05 PM

Looking at Tyson's picture mid-article, it felt like I was looking into a mirror.

With no imminent improvement in sight, one must wonder how the following season will fare, cause the spirit has to be in the dumps right about now.

One thing I disagree with is that our chicks of the coop will be void of value come next season.

BRNC

04-27-2010, 04:06 PM

Mustachio...one of the hopes I have is we'll buy a pick...a few teams (the Hawks have already made it known) will sell their first-rounders so I'm hopeful we'll buy one...

Thing is...cap space, some dead-weight ("Doris" and Diop IMO) do not help...but I have to feel as competitive as MJ is we'll continue to get better...

We do have two "attractive" expiring contracts in TC and Nazzy...hopefully they will be used to bring back talent...I'll hold out some hope that we get better and don't slide back...

bing!

04-27-2010, 04:19 PM

How much better, exactly? Winning a couple of first-round games and leaving the playoffs before may hits would equal stagnation... which is pretty much the gist of the article. Memphis was there ~04-06 and that pinch of success was followed by a couple of horrid seasons.

At the moment, there is no core to build upon, and, frankly, that is the biggest downer.

ammofan

04-27-2010, 05:21 PM

There shall be trades....many many trades! lol

Dcarnys

04-27-2010, 05:26 PM

There shall be trades....many many trades! lol

The Bobcats making trades??????:confused: NO. haha

BRNC

04-27-2010, 05:28 PM

At the moment, there is no core to build upon, and, frankly, that is the biggest downer.

bing...not sure I agree with this...Crash, TT (if kept),DJ,UPS,Hendo are all core players to build on...I'm not saying all these guys are stars...or even starters...but we do have some youth (and Crash is still in his prime) to continue to build around...

I see it as a process...hopefully we get to round #2 next year...but it is a process...I think what we do (trades etc.) will tell me a great deal about the direction we go...I'm still "half-full" on this until i see what we do...

bing!

04-27-2010, 05:42 PM

Okay, we have Wallace, two guys who are most likely to bolt (well, at least one of 'em), 4 youngsters who still haven't proven themselves, three 'bodies' at C and... wait, that's it. Crash might be a center-piece (to hell with it, he is one), but one player can't work as a core and he's the type to blossom only when partnered up with a couple of more able players (Jackson's growing older and crankier... and richer), not the one to carry the team solo a la Wade/LeRoid.

Cats are fielding a summer league team this year, right? Time for one or two of the cubs to emerge lest we get stuck in rut.

EDIT: Boris managed to slip my mind... I wonder why? :g:

BRNC

04-27-2010, 05:46 PM

I wish "Doris" would slip away...:facepalm:

Plowright

04-27-2010, 06:12 PM

That article made me fucking angry... what does he know and what right does he have... NONE! if he thinks gerald henderson is useless like it says in that article is absolute BULL he hasnt played... does that mean he can't? no it, LB doesnt play rookies its well known. i can not wait till we come back next year and proove you horribley wrong

Chrystos

04-27-2010, 06:56 PM

Do any of you know if Thomas even wants to stay in Charlotte? :confused:

teej

04-27-2010, 07:37 PM

A) The Bobcats are Kelly's personal punching bag. He's the one who said MJ was going to be a colossal failure as an owner and that Jack was going to bring this team down. He doesn't know shit about anyone, really.

B) Spectre has had some great posts on why we have a future, and if we sign Ray OR Tyrus, we'll make it to the second round with LB as a coach. Please remember guys, young teams almost never win their first series. Just look at the Hawks...

Scottley Crue

04-27-2010, 07:43 PM

That article sounded like the author has a personal vendetta against Brown. I honestly had a hard time taking it seriously when he starting insinuating heavily that hiring Brown was a bad idea. At this point in his career, those that hire LB know two things 1) He's not hanging around long and 2) He'll leave you in better shape than he came to you in.

Of course, "better shape" is subjective, but I find it hard to believe that many wouldn't say the Bobcats are better off because of Brown's involvement. The way the current CBA is structured, I'm not head-over-heels for cap space. Cap space is fine, but how many rebounds did cap space have last year? How many points did cap space average last year? Having cap space is fine, depending on how you use it. For the ones it works for, ask the Pistons how cap space can help you out.

I find articles like this hard to take seriously (beyond the Brown thing) because they protend that things will stay the same. If you've traveled around the sun enough, you know that the only thing that stays the same is change. And the Bobcats aren't afraid to change things, as we've all learned over the years.

WhatAboutBob_cats

04-27-2010, 07:59 PM

Please remember guys, young teams almost never win their first series. Just look at the Hawks...

Yup, as I recall only one team has ever won their first playoff series: the Charlotte Hornets

Icky Thump

04-28-2010, 12:16 AM

I wasn't disappointed at all about not winning the series. I was disappointed about our performance. We may as well have not been in the playoffs really because our performance was not indicative of our season. We pretty much embarrassed ourselves for the most part as we never made a serious threat to take even one game in the series. It's pretty crushing to me because I definitely felt we had a team capable to even make it to the conference finals yet we came in and played like the Bobcats of old... and I really hoped we'd never see that team again. In the most important moment in our team history in front of national audience that's basically what the team appeared like...

I'm a Bobcat fan as long as they are here and I'll proudly let that be known. Just hope for the best going forward but we didn't take hold of a great opportunity and now face an extremely tough off-season.

ND22

04-28-2010, 01:08 AM

You know, Gerald Wallace was a non-factor his rookie year. So before this asshole throws guys like Gerald Henderson (and Derrick Brown, who he didn't even mention), he should stop and consider the fact that maybe these guys aren't quite ready adding to the fact that LB doesn't play rookies. Of course, that would mean putting his vendetta against Larry Brown and Michael Jordon aside.

Its a pretty bleak article but I honestly don't think the future is as bleak as he paints it.

spectre

04-28-2010, 05:59 AM

Hey I just realized...this Dwyer guy is the one who predicted that we'd only win 19 games this year!

:hysterical:

There's a "fail" all right...

The Bobcats Did Right, And Are Allright (http://www.hardwoodparoxysm.com/2010/04/27/the-bobcats-did-right-and-are-allright/)

Which is probably why I found myself irked from the get-go this year with Dwyer’s feelings towards the Bobcats. Preseason he pegged them for 19 wins (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/BDL-s-2009-10-NBA-Preview-Charlotte-Bobcats?urn=nba,197469). 19. Daaaamn. And it reads much like today’s dissection. It’s probably some ingrained sense of defense of the underdog that causes me to get all snarky, or perhaps it’s just that the Bobcats routinely (coming into this season) beat the Lakers. Plus they play in a small market and are an expansion franchise. In another life, I would have been a ‘Cats fan.

Contending for greatness doesn’t just take skill and money. It takes opportunity that must be granted, timing, and luck. The Cats haven’t had any of those things. But at least they’ve stabilized the core. To laugh them off stage because they ran into the team that wound up with the other guy, and who have built a monstrous team around him (including, I might add, a veteran everyone thought was disgustingly overpaid when they signed him, and then also Hedo Turkoglu who is now overpaid, and now Vince Carter who people say the same about; it’s not like outside of Howard they’re full of young guns) is a bit unfair, and ignores the success that they’ve had. No, it’s not a championship ring. But it’s a start, a real start. And for fans in Charlotte, it’s at least something to make them feel good and give them hope.

Toocool

04-28-2010, 06:34 AM

Dwyer is an idiot.
Need I say more.

He criticizes us for moving EO50. He knows nothing when we traded specifically because TC's salary is far cheaper. As for our core, we know that Hendo and UPS can play. They just need more development time.

Demon DeaCat

04-28-2010, 02:44 PM

First off, I respect the opinion of most of the posters on this board who actually watch this team night in and night out a lot more than some random SI writer with an obvious axe to grind, who probably didn't even see us play all year until last week.

I think we have to be careful not to let these four games diminish what was a tremendous season by the cats. We lost to arguably the best team in the NBA. They were the one team I felt we couldn't beat for exactly the reasons we lost, too many 3-pt. shooters.

I disagree that our future is bleak. While we have probably seen Jax's best year, he still has enough in the tank to be a not great, but good player, for at least a couple more years. He's also got enough left to have some decent trade value if we choose to go that route. He'd be a great #2 option for a team that feels they're 1 player away.

We'll shed a number of large salaries in the next couple of years so we'll get the flexibility we haven't had, and contrary to what Dwyer believes, Wallace, TT, and Brown (and I'd even say DJ, although some may disagree) is a decent core of talent to build around. We'll definitely need to make re-signing TT a priority though, even if it means letting Felton walk.

While guys like Boris and Jax aren't a part of the long-term future, they're productive guys who can help keep us competitive for the next couple of years while the young guys come into their own. I am a little troubled by the lack of draft picks, but I think we're in decent shape going forward.

BobCatsFanInTx

04-29-2010, 01:57 PM

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/The-Charlotte-Bobcats-Gone-Til-November?urn=nba,237041

the bold, unfortunate truth. talk about how great it was to be there all you want...nothing about this was good. this was an absolutely colossal failure. No draft picks, no cap space, no future.I agree that the playoffs were ugly and we should not be content with what happened. We won't be content and our Bobcats and whoever coaches them won't either. With the team we currently have playing together for a full season we WILL improve and do better next season.

To say our team has no future is just stupid. Our Bobcats have a solid bunch of guys with talent and they can and will improve once they have an off season of bonding and time together next season playing basketball. I don't have this glass half empty look at our team.

Our Bobcats may not be adding pieces in the DRAFT for next season but they have two young pieces from last year who barely got an opportunity to help our team. I don't have to say who those pieces are. Point is, they will be like draft picks for next season.

I am not going to cry the sky is falling. I like the makeup of our team and feel that if they can stay healthy or at least have few injuries they will be better.

Are our guys going to be an elite team next season? Doubtful. Still I like the future of our team. Our team is not in any major need of an overhaul so a few minor changes can make a huge difference.

After not making the playoffs last season there were chicken littles and we turned out fine.

We have a whole off season to unwind and rejoice in the afterglow of making the playoffs.

Let us relax and enjoy the summer. If a trade happens that we can discuss we will. Anything takes place we will all discuss it.

In the meantime as basketball fans, let us enjoy the rest of the playoffs.

spectre

04-29-2010, 02:36 PM

Tex is the optimistic guy on the board...ROF is about the only blog site still advocating to bring back Felton (not Arnott...their posters).

I truly must be in the Twilight Zone! :cool:

Ampsportsduo

05-01-2010, 11:51 PM

Tex is the optimistic guy on the board...ROF is about the only blog site still advocating to bring back Felton (not Arnott...their posters).

I truly must be in the Twilight Zone! :cool:

Why would you ever subject yourself to ROF? Of course, I watch reality TV and that's equally as moronic so I guess I shouldn't judge.

I'm glad some other people have pointed out that Dwyer's a twit because I don't want to be that guy who's always ripping national writers.

I don't think people appreciate the situation that the Bobcats are in. When you're a new franchise trying to win back a city, you need to have a measure of success. This team achieved that goal. Most people (even aforementioned bloggers) have never lived in a city that loved a team before a painful seven year divorce and then had to endure as a new arena was built against public preference and a poor new owner. It's a unique situation and to not appreciate it harms one's ability to assess this team and the management's decisions. Obviously things didn't go as we'd all have liked in the postseason, but playing the most balanced team in the East didn't help. If the Cats don't start 3-9 or lose to the Nets twice and they play the Hawks is this article written? My guess is no.

The entire crux of this take is Jack slipping. The guy's just turned 32 and played the 4th most minutes in the league. Does anyone else think that maybe, just maybe that had something to do with it?

The other key assertion: Jordan won't spend. He doesn't imply sources other than his gut, so that's a leap to make. Why take the time and effort to scrape together the funds to buy the team if you have no intention of making the team better? Until Jordan has proven he won't spend, this is an unfair assessment.

Quick note that I haven't seen mentioned elsewhere: In addition to Jack being 4th, Crash was 5th in the league in minutes. Going forward we have to get these numbers down.

dav7z

05-02-2010, 12:05 AM

Why would you ever subject yourself to ROF? Of course, I watch reality TV and that's equally as moronic so I guess I shouldn't judge.

I'm glad some other people have pointed out that Dwyer's a twit because I don't want to be that guy who's always ripping national writers.

I don't think people appreciate the situation that the Bobcats are in. When you're a new franchise trying to win back a city, you need to have a measure of success. This team achieved that goal. Most people (even aforementioned bloggers) have never lived in a city that loved a team before a painful seven year divorce and then had to endure as a new arena was built against public preference and a poor new owner. It's a unique situation and to not appreciate it harms one's ability to assess this team and the management's decisions. Obviously things didn't go as we'd all have liked in the postseason, but playing the most balanced team in the East didn't help. If the Cats don't start 3-9 or lose to the Nets twice and they play the Hawks is this article written? My guess is no.

The entire crux of this take is Jack slipping. The guy's just turned 32 and played the 4th most minutes in the league. Does anyone else think that maybe, just maybe that had something to do with it?

The other key assertion: Jordan won't spend. He doesn't imply sources other than his gut, so that's a leap to make. Why take the time and effort to scrape together the funds to buy the team if you have no intention of making the team better? Until Jordan has proven he won't spend, this is an unfair assessment.

Quick note that I haven't seen mentioned elsewhere: In addition to Jack being 4th, Crash was 5th in the league in minutes. Going forward we have to get these numbers down.
In my email from MJ for STH holders. Stated his plans was for the team to get better. And the team to take things to the next level. I don;t expect MJ to break the bank , But to sign TT and Felton and inprove through expirings

WarioVsMooChicken

05-02-2010, 12:12 AM

spectre

05-02-2010, 07:30 AM

Why would you ever subject yourself to ROF? Of course, I watch reality TV and that's equally as moronic so I guess I shouldn't judge.

Heh, because I'm everything about the Bobcats! I don't care to delve into the OT stuff (haven't even opened the new OT thread on here) but I usually hit everything Bobcats' related.

The fans over there have really turned the place around. As bad a "knee jerk" place as that used to be do you realize there's not one thread going on about how Felton singlehandely lost the playoff series? They've even recognized that the options other than him are weak as hell and they want him back!

Compare that with all the other threads on here and on other forums.

I'm glad some other people have pointed out that Dwyer's a twit because I don't want to be that guy who's always ripping national writers.

I don't think people appreciate the situation that the Bobcats are in. When you're a new franchise trying to win back a city, you need to have a measure of success. This team achieved that goal. Most people (even aforementioned bloggers) have never lived in a city that loved a team before a painful seven year divorce and then had to endure as a new arena was built against public preference and a poor new owner. It's a unique situation and to not appreciate it harms one's ability to assess this team and the management's decisions. Obviously things didn't go as we'd all have liked in the postseason, but playing the most balanced team in the East didn't help. If the Cats don't start 3-9 or lose to the Nets twice and they play the Hawks is this article written? My guess is no.

Amazing isn't it. Guys like Dwyer seem to have an axe to grind...and with our owner it wouldn't be surprising. They might know all you laid out, but a lot just ignore it.

The entire crux of this take is Jack slipping. The guy's just turned 32 and played the 4th most minutes in the league. Does anyone else think that maybe, just maybe that had something to do with it?

Of course it did. The whole piece was a hit job. The author wanted the article to come out as it did so he took liberties with his points. Like with many small minded people it also appears that he felt the need to justify his article from the beginning of the season.

The other key assertion: Jordan won't spend. He doesn't imply sources other than his gut, so that's a leap to make. Why take the time and effort to scrape together the funds to buy the team if you have no intention of making the team better? Until Jordan has proven he won't spend, this is an unfair assessment.

They said the same about Johnson and continued to do so even tho he did spend. Almost every team avoids going into the LT yet WE are talked about in a disparaging manner because we want to avoid it as well.

Quick note that I haven't seen mentioned elsewhere: In addition to Jack being 4th, Crash was 5th in the league in minutes. Going forward we have to get these numbers down.

We've just not been smart with our money. Trading for worthless players, getting rid of bad picks by taking back salary have hurt us. That has dug into our ability to get a quality bench. Shame too, as in the last couple of seasons some real bargains have been available. Going forward we have to be smarter else we'll never have a good bench and we'll always be doomed in trying to play the starters too much.

spectre

05-02-2010, 07:34 AM

I believe if we keep the same team we have now, we'll do better than last year, just because our team would have had some time to gel. Like I'd easily expect 4-5 more wins and the 6th seed. We won't take over next season, but we will make the playoffs (Barring injuries)

THE YEAR AFTER NEXT HOWEVER. We start losing some stupid contracts and we'll start getting draft picks. Then we can only improve. Not to mention, now that we've made the playoffs, we're probably more appealing for free agents.

I don't understand why anyone would expect us to just suck and go away. Next year will probably be lots like this one..but after that, things will be awesome

We'd most likely have gotten at least the 6th seed if Jax had been here for the entire season, so that as a minimum with the status quo should definitely be achievable if they're given another season together.

We wouldn't just suck and go away. It's a ridiculous assertion as is. That being said however, both Jordan & LB like to improve thru trades. There are multiple ways to improve the team via that route vs. going knee jerk.

The FO just needs to be smart and patient.

EC123

05-02-2010, 12:13 PM

Hey I just realized...this Dwyer guy is the one who predicted that we'd only win 19 games this year!

:hysterical:

There's a "fail" all right...

Based on the opening day roster, I'm sure.

Are you retarded, or something?

That's like saying, you predict your high school team will only win 5 games, and then they end up winning 25 because a couple of 6'7 twins' parents move their family to your school district.

Conditions change. He didn't "FAIL" just because the Bobcats management made moves.

Now, if he'd have predicted that the Bobcats management would not make moves to improve the team, then he'd have failed.

Learn cause and effect idiot.

If everything about the team had remained the same, then his prediction would be worth judging.

BobCatsFanInTx

05-02-2010, 01:04 PM

Based on the opening day roster, I'm sure.

Are you retarded, or something?

That's like saying, you predict your high school team will only win 5 games, and then they end up winning 25 because a couple of 6'7 twins' parents move their family to your school district.

Conditions change. He didn't "FAIL" just because the Bobcats management made moves.

Now, if he'd have predicted that the Bobcats management would not make moves to improve the team, then he'd have failed.

Learn cause and effect idiot.

If everything about the team had remained the same, then his prediction would be worth judging.His prediction is still bogus if the Bobcats stand pat and make no moves.

Last year the lineup the Bobcats had got them way more than 19 wins and the other teams in the NBA did not make such huge moves that we would SUCK THAT BAD. Before our Bobcats made their trades they still most likely would have won at least 28 to 36 wins.

It is funny how people forget that last season both Boris and Raja improved our team. I am not so sure a healthy Raja would not have been beneficial to our team. So while I do think the trades improved us I don't see how standing pat would equate to our team being a 19 win team. I just don't see how other teams improved so much that our Bobcats would slip so far.

So while you get unnecessarily nasty in your post I just want to say that this is all a matter of perspective. You can disagree with someone but to act like a grade school aged kid in response is not needed or warranted.

Peace. May we disagree with class and maturity.

110oldeast

05-02-2010, 01:38 PM

You mentioned a part of the equation that folks conveniently neglect when discussing our team.

We started out the season with TWO (2) healthy starters in Felton and Wallace. We had 3 guys in Raja, Diaw, and Chandler who were injured and out of shape. THAT set the foundation for our struggles more so than the total roster. This wasn't a 19 win roster and the team was set to go the playoffs potentially if it had closed out the season healthy the year before.

I think that getting Jack was huge in part b/c of his skillset and in part b/c it gave us another healthy player needing defensive attention. Around similar a similar time, we began to INCORPORATE a HEALTHY Nazr into the lineup.

This last part is a boost that we have greatly forgotten, as his offensive ability was huge for us and allowed Boris a cushion to play his way back into shape as the other 4 guys could do something while being out there with an unhealthy Raja and TC only further exposed his being injured and out of shape.

His prediction is still bogus if the Bobcats stand pat and make no moves.

Last year the lineup the Bobcats had got them way more than 19 wins and the other teams in the NBA did not make such huge moves that we would SUCK THAT BAD. Before our Bobcats made their trades they still most likely would have won at least 28 to 36 wins.

It is funny how people forget that last season both Boris and Raja improved our team. I am not so sure a healthy Raja would not have been beneficial to our team. So while I do think the trades improved us I don't see how standing pat would equate to our team being a 19 win team. I just don't see how other teams improved so much that our Bobcats would slip so far.

So while you get unnecessarily nasty in your post I just want to say that this is all a matter of perspective. You can disagree with someone but to act like a grade school aged kid in response is not needed or warranted.

Peace. May we disagree with class and maturity.

spectre

05-02-2010, 01:39 PM

Ampsportsduo

05-02-2010, 02:48 PM

Now, if he'd have predicted that the Bobcats management would not make moves to improve the team, then he'd have failed.

Learn cause and effect idiot.

If everything about the team had remained the same, then his prediction would be worth judging.

I was just enjoying a relaxing Sunday doing some work and I stumble upon this...

First of all, act with a sense of decorum towards other posters.

Secondly, don't go spouting off when you clearly didn't read his preview. What's more egregious, someone assuming LB wouldn't make moves for an entire year after turning over nearly half the roster the year before or someone blasting someone solely based on what he thinks may have been written? I'll let you decide.

Thirdly, here's some actual quotes from Dwyer's preview of the Bobcats:

"D.J. Augustin really showed promise in his rookie year, and it's possible he (rightfully) takes over as a starter this season."

"I have to give up on the idea of just handing the Bobcats wins just because they're coached by Larry Brown. Perhaps I'm off on this, perhaps his abilities (he still is a damn good coach, especially when he's not submarining his own influence by playing GM) are still profound enough to let the Bobcats flirt with winning 30 games"

"Sagana Diop? Flip Murray? Good god."

"If the Bobcats pass 30 wins again, especially with Bell out for four months, he deserves to be Coach of the Year."

Analysis on DJ... wrong. Analysis on Flip... wrong. He acknowledges that LB is involved with personnel decisions and trades are possible but he thinks its purely a negative. And you want to spout insults?

Oh, but he couldn't have anticipated the team acquiring Jack, that's the crux, right? Well, I'll preempt your cute response with these quotes from Dwyer about the trade:

"Jackson deserves to be exiled on a team like the Charlotte Bobcats."

"the Warriors were more than happy to receive pennies for someone who might be the NBA's most overrated dollar."

"Honestly, Jackson's a ridiculous waste of a 6-foot-8, 235-pound frame."

"he'll get sick of being carped out by Brown, and the Bobcats will start actively looking to deal him by February. They probably won't be successful, nobody's as pathetic and as desperate as the Bobcats"

"the deal just makes absolutely no sense for Charlotte."

"Jackson begged for, hoped for, demanded and welcomed this hell. This Bobcat hell."

So the team won 25 more games than Dwyer predicted, by adding "a ridiculous waste of a 6-foot-8, 235-pound frame"? Based on this please tell me how Dwyer's analysis of the Cats has not been a failure all year? I'm sure that you can win arguments at the bus stop by tossing around insults at the expense of facts, but not here. Feel free to point to the Tyrus Thomas trade as another factor that couldn't be anticipated, but I'll warn you Dwyer refers to him as, "just a reserve." Do your research, respect others and by all means your next post better be an apology. In the words of Dwyer, you "begged for, hoped for, demanded and welcomed this hell. This Bobcat hell." Wanna dance with the devil, again?

BobCatsFanInTx

05-06-2010, 02:39 PM

I was just enjoying a relaxing Sunday doing some work and I stumble upon this...

First of all, act with a sense of decorum towards other posters.

Secondly, don't go spouting off when you clearly didn't read his preview. What's more egregious, someone assuming LB wouldn't make moves for an entire year after turning over nearly half the roster the year before or someone blasting someone solely based on what he thinks may have been written? I'll let you decide.

Thirdly, here's some actual quotes from Dwyer's preview of the Bobcats:

"D.J. Augustin really showed promise in his rookie year, and it's possible he (rightfully) takes over as a starter this season."

"I have to give up on the idea of just handing the Bobcats wins just because they're coached by Larry Brown. Perhaps I'm off on this, perhaps his abilities (he still is a damn good coach, especially when he's not submarining his own influence by playing GM) are still profound enough to let the Bobcats flirt with winning 30 games"

"Sagana Diop? Flip Murray? Good god."

"If the Bobcats pass 30 wins again, especially with Bell out for four months, he deserves to be Coach of the Year."

Analysis on DJ... wrong. Analysis on Flip... wrong. He acknowledges that LB is involved with personnel decisions and trades are possible but he thinks its purely a negative. And you want to spout insults?

Oh, but he couldn't have anticipated the team acquiring Jack, that's the crux, right? Well, I'll preempt your cute response with these quotes from Dwyer about the trade:

"Jackson deserves to be exiled on a team like the Charlotte Bobcats."

"the Warriors were more than happy to receive pennies for someone who might be the NBA's most overrated dollar."

"Honestly, Jackson's a ridiculous waste of a 6-foot-8, 235-pound frame."

"he'll get sick of being carped out by Brown, and the Bobcats will start actively looking to deal him by February. They probably won't be successful, nobody's as pathetic and as desperate as the Bobcats"

"the deal just makes absolutely no sense for Charlotte."

"Jackson begged for, hoped for, demanded and welcomed this hell. This Bobcat hell."

So the team won 25 more games than Dwyer predicted, by adding "a ridiculous waste of a 6-foot-8, 235-pound frame"? Based on this please tell me how Dwyer's analysis of the Cats has not been a failure all year? I'm sure that you can win arguments at the bus stop by tossing around insults at the expense of facts, but not here. Feel free to point to the Tyrus Thomas trade as another factor that couldn't be anticipated, but I'll warn you Dwyer refers to him as, "just a reserve." Do your research, respect others and by all means your next post better be an apology. In the words of Dwyer, you "begged for, hoped for, demanded and welcomed this hell. This Bobcat hell." Wanna dance with the devil, again?Excellent post!!!

millst2

05-06-2010, 03:49 PM

Well while i agree with most the one team I didn't want to face in round 1 was Orlando, I do not think we need to blow up the team. The 2 people we need to unload is Diop and Diaw. They suck and play with no intensity.

I was talking to my brother the other night about the state of our beloved bobcats. Like some have stated already is that Chandler, Jackson, Thomas, Hughes did not have enough time to mesh with the team a full season. I think with the same squad minus Doris and Diop we would approach 50 wins and have a top 4 seeding in the west. Now this is as of now before we see where the Big Free Agents go this year.

One thing that I have seen and you can see this on everyother team that wins in the NBA is we really do not have that third person. We have 2 but they are not the Main scoring option we lack. If you look at Boston ( KG, Pierce, Allen), Spurs ( duncan,Parker, Ginobli), Cavs ( Lebore, Jamison, Williams), Lakers ( Kobe, Gasol, Bynum), Orlando ( Howard, Nelson, Carter)... These teams all have a go to guy they can depend to close out a game, they all have that main scoring threat and a legit big 3 on each team.

That is what we lack and that is what we should proceed to get. I think we did great this year, but we just got a bad draw when we pulled Orlando in the first. Many of us said Orlando is an early exit for us.

I think Jordan and the FO knows that we are missing that third piece of the puzzle and I think that is what we go for this summer. Stern said this week that the salary cap is only 1 million less than this year, so it isnt the 10 million difference every one thought we would drop to. So Jordan will wield some star power and get us that missing piece I would hope. But worse case scenario we suffer another year with bad contracts and then take a 1st rd exit again next year, then get the scoring options we need in 2011.

I hope for the first but we shall see.

BRNC

05-06-2010, 03:52 PM