Tyrus thomas to the Denver Nuggets?

[Plowright]

So the Denver Post said that the nuggets may try to aquire Tyrus Thomas... they are over the luxury tax but apparantly have room for one more signing. They were thinking to maybe try and trade J.R. Smith as bait. Type into google and you will find the story.

Can not say i would approve for this trade i think Ty is one of the few who i see as an asset in the future. Thoughts?

[DY_nasty]

Essentially, Tyrus is our first round pick this year - if we were to give him up, I'd like a lot more back than just one headcase named JR.

[Dcarnys]

Do they Want Diaw????? Ill give him up in a heartbeat.

[BETCATS]

If we can bundle Tyrus with one of our terrible contracts (like Diaw or Diop) i would be happy. Or if we could get supperior talent back, i would be happy. Their is a rumor floating around that Carmelo wants to be a Knick, but isnt a free agent until next summer. IF this is true, the knicks may still want an expiring. So after we trade Thomas, we can do a sign and trade of Tyson's expiring for David Lee (with a new contract). Too bad it wont happen.

[ammofan]

NO! Do not let Tyrus walk...do not s&t him! We need him and he could develop into one of the top PF's in the league(IMO)

[SWedd523]

If we trade Tyrus and include Diaw in that deal, who is going to be our PF?

[teej]

If we trade Tyrus and include Diaw in that deal, who is going to be our PF?

UPS? I don't know, but if it isn't Diaw or Sean May it's going to be an upgrade.

Play GW/Jack at the 3/4, and Stevie at the 2?

[SWedd523]

Jack-Crash-Tyrus/Diaw is wayyyyyyy better than Stevie-Crash-Jack


The only way I trade for JR is if we get Nene out of it.

[gforce33]

ok

melo <> TT
:biggrin:

[BRNC]

They have no first to send back...and we have no need (and I doubt desire) to take Smith...they'd have to find a third team to make this work...one that actually wanted Smith and willing to send us a first...I would hope...

[GoBobs]

They can want him all they want, but they have no way to get him unless we agree to it.

[mj4life]

denver is way over the lux tax threshold so all they can offer starts at the mid level exception so if they offer a contract we would easily be able to match it, i think sign and trade is also out cause he is restricted fa and not unrestricted

[Fred Williamson]

sign and trade him for Ty Lawson (kid is a baller and I take him over DJ and Ray on any day of the week) and Balkman
then trade UPS, DJ and Diop for Beasley, Chalmers and Jones


Lawson/Chalmers
Jax/Hendo
Crash/Jones
Beasley/Diaw/Balkman
Chandler/Nazr


That's a damn good team IMO

[spectre]

I'd be shocked if Denver would give up Lawson.

Beasley might be going out for a crappy package value wise but I'd bet that it includes cap space for the upcoming season...which your above doesn't do.

I like the thinking tho.

[Demon DeaCat]

They have no first to send back...and we have no need (and I doubt desire) to take Smith...they'd have to find a third team to make this work...one that actually wanted Smith and willing to send us a first...I would hope...

Smith has serious character issues so you're right that our desire for him may be lukewarm, but I'm not sure I agree that we don't need him. If we're lucky we'll get one more year like this year out of Jack, and even that is doubtful. Given his age, we'll start to see a decline in his production soon. Smith is a super-talented young guard. Acquiring him would enable us to re-set the clock at the SG position with a talented player. I'm not saying we should definitely do it, but if there was an offer on the table for JR, I think we'd need to consider it.

[BRNC]

DeaCat...the "desire" I speak is (to a great extent what you said) but also...George Karl has handled "problem children" over the years as has LB...Smith (in many ways) is better than 2-3 years ago...but also his BBIQ is not, maturity continues as an issue, and I'm still not sold on him as a team player at all...those three things are what I doubt the FO desire...

Jax has had his issues over the years but he has always been considered a team player...so that was never a question for him...

The organization also has to decide on TT...and there have been similar "questions" of the same issues regarding TT over the years...why would the FO want to double that...I would not...and some "rumbling", particular from DJ apparently directed at TT in front of reporters at a practice, would seem to indicate TT has not been a "fit"...that may also lead to reluctance on the part of the FO to simply "exchange" those issues by trading the two...

I'm not saying a trade will not happen...I just doubt (since no pick can come back to us from Denver) that it will happen without a third team getting into the mix...

addition: Let me also say it is never considered a "smart" move to trade a big for a small...and I can't see trading a position that is considered weak, PF (particularly with the play of Doris), would be attractive without (at the very least) getting a back-up for that weak position...and Chris Andersen (long contract and very uneven play) would not be particularly attractive at this point but might have to be included to get a deal like this done...so I just don't see a match here...

[Demon DeaCat]

I don't disagree with any of the concerns you raised. It would be a calculated risk to be sure. But he is going into the final year of his contract, so it isn't as if we'd be locked in for the next 3 or 4 years. If things didn't work out we could just cut our losses and go our separate ways with cap space in hand. That certainly minimizes the risk that is there. That being the case, I think it would be worth that risk for the following reasons:

1) Jack is getting older and we're going to have to address the SG position sooner rather than later if we want to stay at a playoff level over the next several years. Our window of opportunity to trade him may not extend beyond this year. After that, his contract is going to be rather difficult to move, especially if his play starts to slip next year as it did in the playoffs.

2)The character/professionalism issues notwithstanding, Smith's talent is undeniable. He brings youth and excellent perimeter shooting to the table, 2 things we need.

As for potentially trading Boris for Smith, I would make that trade, not because I don't think Boris is a valuable contributor to our team. I'm actually one of the few on this board who believes that he is. But I'd do it because I believe TT is our future and should get the opportuinity to realize his full potential as a starter. $9 million is way too much to pay a back-up PF so if we do commit to TT, which I hope we do, it makes sense to move Boris.

To your point about the PF position being weak, I don't know that it has to be. As great as LB has been for us, one area where he has probably hurt us is that he hasn't provided an opportunity for our young talent to develop. Boris averaged 35 mpg this season. If those minutes were to go to TT, I'd have no problem with the other 13 (or more) going to Brown. He's not that undersized as a PF. He's actually roughly the same size as Boris and regardless, with his talent, we need to find any way we can to get him on the floor. Not to mention we also have AA. He's been developing for 2 years now. We've got to figure out whether or not he can play at some point. I think we have enough options at PF that Boris is expendable.

Again, I'm not pretending there isn't a "buyer beware" disclaimer where Smith is concerned, but IMO, the risk/reward would be in our favor.

[BRNC]

I'd trade Boris for Smith and not even think about it...but I thought the discussion was TT for Smith?

The hope for many of us was if a guy with the talent (TT being the case in hand) was signed that could actually push Boris for a starting position he (Boris) would pick up his level of play...that (IMO) did not happen...if given a choice between the two (and I'm not a huge fan of TT) I'd trade Diaw and keep Tyrus...but the Nuggets have not indicated any desire (nor any other team I'm aware of) to make a trade for Diaw...that chance went by when we made the trade for Jackson...

The thing for me on trading TT...there have been indications that he may not want to be here...if that is the case I'm all for trading him but I'd rather get a back-up PF and a first round pick...not JR Smith...I have no interest in Smith...I recognize the talent but really don't want him here...I respect your choice concerning him and get what you say...but I see him as more of a risk that we end up not keeping...so I'd rather have a pick and a back-up PF if TT is traded...

[Demon DeaCat]

Gotcha. Yeah, I was just talking about the idea of trading for Smith in general. Conceptually, I'm not opposed to trading for him, but I definitely wouldn't trade TT for him so we're on the same page there.

Regarding TT, I really hope the rumors about him not wanting to stay are untrue. I think we can all agree that giving up that 1st rounder for nothing would be the worst possible scenario.

[BRNC]

Gotcha. Yeah, I was just talking about the idea of trading for Smith in general. Conceptually, I'm not opposed to trading for him, but I definitely wouldn't trade TT for him so we're on the same page there.

Regarding TT, I really hope the rumors about him not wanting to stay are untrue. I think we can all agree that giving up that 1st rounder for nothing would be the worst possible scenario.

My thoughts exactly...giving up our first but ending up with nothing if TT goes...I try to take every rumor with a-grain-of-salt attitude so (for me) it is difficult to understand him (TT) not wanting to be here...I would guess if the "he has not fit in with his teammates" I've heard are true then it makes sense...

It would seem that he knows he has a change to compete for a starting position but who really knows?

[teej]

Well, it turns out "JR Swish" is one of CP3's great friends...maybe we should get him?

[Demon DeaCat]

I was curious what their relationship was like. If CP viewed Smith as a bad teammate in NO, that would certainly change my opinion about going after him, but if they really are good friends I'm even more for it. Every move we make should be judged on the basis of whether or not it positions us to land CP.

[teej]

I was curious what their relationship was like. If CP viewed Smith as a bad teammate in NO, that would certainly change my opinion about going after him, but if they really are good friends I'm even more for it. Every move we make should be judged on the basis of whether or not it positions us to land CP.

Yeah CP's birthday was yesterday, and JR went out to dinner with CP before the party, which had no current Bobcats in attendance.

[spectre]

Not a fan of Smith and I'd only take on that baggage if that was the only option to letting TT walk for nothing. They won't give up Lawson and I'm leary of taking Martin even tho he's an expiring.

Denver only has the MLE. I have to assume TT wouldn't regress that much next year so he'd be tradable if we ever wanted to get out of it.

[Demon DeaCat]

Yeah CP's birthday was yesterday, and JR went out to dinner with CP before the party, which had no current Bobcats in attendance.

I thought he and Tyson were tight. Kinda surprised he wasn't there.

[-Ian-]

Yeah CP's birthday was yesterday, and JR went out to dinner with CP before the party, which had no current Bobcats in attendance.
How did you know? Were there any pictures of the party?

This is surprising. I thought CP3 and TC are like brothers. CP got very upset when Tyson was "traded" to OKC before.

[teej]

How did you know? Were there any pictures of the party?

This is surprising. I thought CP3 and TC are like brothers. CP got very upset when Tyson was "traded" to OKC before.

Yeah there were a few pics, but CP made a point to give a shout out to everyone there. TC wasn't on the list. Jarrett Jack, JR, Julian Wright, Bobby Brown, Rudy Gay, Morris Peterson, and Jannero Pargo were.

[EC123]

If the Bobcats give up Tyrus Thomas, they are dumber than anyone on this board who even entertains the idea of doing so.

There are so many expendable pieces on this team. Tyrus Thomas is not one of them.

Go out and try to get Al Jefferson, while KEEPING Tyrus Thomas, and have those two as your starting 4 and 5 next season.

Other than Gerald Wallace and Tyrus Thomas, EVERYONE ELSE on the team is expendable. If you can get something good in return for Jackson, or anyone else not named Wallace or Thomas, then do so.

[nazsquad]

I agree that Tyrus Thomas is good and has a lot of upside. He has a nice mid-range jump shot and he can block shots. He also plays with heart.

But if TT and Ray or TT and Boris can bring back Lawson, J.R. and Nene, I think we would have to pull the trigger.

[DY_nasty]

Tyrus isn't so good that he can't be traded. He's basically just Brandan Wright without the injury problems, a little more athletic, and with 100% more headcase.

He gives us something a little something to hope for. But right now he's hardly anything more than another Stromile Swift.

[Demon DeaCat]

I agree that TT shouldn't be considered untouchable. No one is for that matter, even GW. But staying with your analogy, Brandon Wright without the injury problems is probably a pretty good player. TT is the closest thing to a potential star we've got, so while not untouchable, it would need to be a blockbuster deal bringing in major talent to move him, IMO.

[DY_nasty]

I agree that TT shouldn't be considered untouchable. No one is for that matter, even GW. But staying with your analogy, Brandon Wright without the injury problems is probably a pretty good player. TT is the closest thing to a potential star we've got, so while not untouchable, it would need to be a blockbuster deal bringing in major talent to move him, IMO.
It wouldn't even need to be a blockbuster. If someone were to tell me that Tyrus got dealt for Landry straight up, I'd be more than happy.

[spectre]

Thomas had another rocky season, and despite a midseason trade from Chicago to Charlotte, he remains an enigma. He's terrific one night, then disappears the next. And with a reputation as a locker-room problem, Thomas may struggle to get a long-term deal.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=2010FreeAgents-100514&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba %2finsider%2fcolumns%2fstory%3fcolumnist%3dford_ch ad%26page%3d2010FreeAgents-100514

Chad Ford (behind the firewall).

[BETCATS]

I mean, i can almost understand Tyrus's anger/frustration here if their really is any. Larry wasnt playing him some nights, including games that Boris was sucking in. Unless their is something i am forgetting about TT (a small injury maybe?) he deserves a lot more playtime than Larry was giving him on some nights.

[Fred Williamson]

Tyrus Thomas is not starter material. He has no potential, upside, whatsover. He is what he is, a highflyer who can grab some rebounds and block shots. He should deal with it that he won't get 35mpg, and you guys should too.

[Demon DeaCat]

In some ways, that's a very encouraging report from Ford. Anything that drives his value down is good news for us.