Our team won't get better...TIME TO TRADE

[Weezy21]

1) Felton has reached his potential in my eyes...please dont OVERPAY him
2) We def. need more playmakers
3) This will be the best trade value wallace has...yes he's my favorite player but im tryin to look at the bigger picture

So here is the blockbuster trade.....wont ever happen...but needs to!

Bobcats get- cp3, brand, artest, willie green, sasha

Lakers get: S&T felton

Hornets get: Wallace, Iggy, Diop, Lou Williams

76ers get: Diaw, Augustin, Tyson, Peja, Thorton

Line-ups

Bobcats- cp3/jack/artest/brand/naz....take on brands contract but it lands us cp3 an artest...making the playoffs isnt good enuff

Lakers- felton/kobe/odom/pau/bynum...finally gets them their pg

Hornets- collison/iggy/wallace/west/okafor...lose a franchise player but gets back 2 allstars plus a good player in lou williams to compliment collison...that line up would be SICK

76ers- they r gunna have to rebuild wether they like it or not...this will shed a TON of long term cap and yes they wont be very good next year but it will help their future a LOT...plus they have a high 1st round pick this year along with one most likely after next year....possible line-up:

C-Tyson/Sammy
PF-Speight/Diaw
SF-Peja/Young
SG-Thorton
PG-Augustin/Jrue

[GoBobs]

I don't think we are any better off with Paul and not Wallace then we are with Wallace and not Paul. Your deal really makes us Older and gives a lot less flexibility by adding Brand.

I think our team can get better by developing our young prospects. One or two of Henderson, Brown, Ajinca, DJ need to become solid players for us.

[teej]

Brand and Artest? We might as well trade for DeSagana Diop too...oh, wait.

But no, Brand is horrible and Artest is washed up.

[dav7z]

I don't think we are any better off with Paul and not Wallace then we are with Wallace and not Paul. Your deal really makes us Older and gives a lot less flexibility by adding Brand.

I think our team can get better by developing our young prospects. One or two of Henderson, Brown, Ajinca, DJ need to become solid players for us.

Agreeded , We not going to trade Crash, Crash is our core building piece. CP3 is good but i think Crash adds more to our team than CP3 would . Thats even more true when you consider contracts,.


We don't need Brand and that bad contract when we have TT who i think could produce much more at this stage of his carer.

I don;t think Lexy , Brown , DJ , or Hendo will contribute much . Though i think Lexy has the most up side.

In ordor to get better our thoughts should be making a desision on Felton , See what JAX value is on the open market. Same goes for Diaw , See what Chandler and Nazzs value is . Im thinking sence we gave up a first for TT . Plans must be long term with him .

[Weezy21]

Agreeded , We not going to trade Crash, Crash is our core building piece. CP3 is good but i think Crash adds more to our team than CP3 would . Thats even more true when you consider contracts,.


wallace has been our core piece since day 1 tho...and we all know that he is one concussion away from seriously getting hurt...CP3 is one of the top 5 players in the league! look what paul did for tyson...he made tyson look like an allstar!!!

i love wallace more than any player but to say he would be better for us than paul is a bit much...ask any coach, scout, player, or league expert who they would rather have an i can guarantee cp3 would get every vote

[teej]

i love wallace more than any player but to say he would be better for us than paul is a bit much...ask any coach, scout, player, or league expert who they would rather have an i can guarantee cp3 would get every vote

Every vote? Mark Stein would still say Steve Nash...:p

Look, I love CP, and if we sign him as a FA I'll be super crazily happy. But to give up GW, Ray, Diaw, and DJ and take on two of the worst contracts in the league, no thanks.

[Weezy21]

well im not gunna beat this thing to death...if u dont like the trade u dont like it haha



Look, I love CP, and if we sign him as a FA I'll be super crazily happy. But to give up GW, Ray, Diaw, and DJ and take on two of the worst contracts in the league, no thanks.

but just curious...who else's contract were u referring to besides brand? u talking about cp3?

cuz i kno we would also be getting rid of diop's contract (one of the worst), diaw still has 2 more years at 9 million, which is pretty bad for a out of position PF...plus tyson is getting paid like 12 million next year when he's gunna avg. 3 points and maybe 4 rebounds if that

atleast we will be getting production for MJ's money :biggrin:

[teej]

but just curious...who else's contract were u referring to besides brand? u talking about cp3?

cuz i kno we would also be getting rid of diop's contract (one of the worst), diaw still has 2 more years at 9 million, which is pretty bad for a out of position PF...plus tyson is getting paid like 12 million next year when he's gunna avg. 3 points and maybe 4 rebounds if that

Artest. He's wayyyyyyy overpaid and LA is going to regret it if they can't get rid of him.

Also, TC averaged 6/6 this year in limited time. Hopefully Theo won't be back, or if he is won't be starting, so I fully expect a healthy TC to meet my double/double expectations.

[WhatAboutBob_cats]

After being eliminated by the Suns yesterday, it is being reported that the Spurs may be looking to trade Tony Parker.

"according to a recent report in the San Antonio Express-News, has told friends that he's unsure about his future in town after the contract extension recently bestowed upon Manu Ginobili and with second-year guard George Hill capable of playing the same position."
-Marc Stein, ESPN

"The Spurs' preferred course would be to find a taker for $15 million mistake Richard Jefferson; of course, they'd also like to trade Malik Hairston for LeBron James. More realistically, San Antonio can explore trading Tony Parker. He's on the books for $13.5 million, but the Spurs have a capable reserve in George Hill who makes only $1.5 million. If they can trade Parker for help on the wings and/or a true "stretch 4" to help them match up against the Suns and Blazers of the world, it could get them under the tax line while also prying the window open on the Duncan era for another year."
-John Hollinger, ESPN

So after reading that, does anyone think the Spurs may be interested in a Diaw+someone else swap for parker? If only Diaw hadn't been so unimpressive this year, maybe it would be possible but I think his play this year may scare off the Spurs.

[Weezy21]

So after reading that, does anyone think the Spurs may be interested in a Diaw+someone else swap for parker?

i doubt they would want diaw...they already have duncan an blair...unless they played diaw at the 3 but still doubt it cuz jefferson is at the 3

[gforce33]

If trade wallace
Cats = No ornamental value

[110oldeast]

A playmaker is only as good as the SHOOTERS around them.

Again, there is a reason N.O. OVERHAULED their entire roster outside of David West when CP3 came. His game is predicated on penetrating an OPEN lane with a SPREAD floor and kicking the ball out to shooters or finishing with the in between game.

We can bring in all the playmakers we want, but if you still have mediocre wing shooting and play a predominantly halfcourt game, we will be limited.

Seriously, look around the league. You need 3 pt shooters. And when you don't have them, you better be pushing the ball. See why Atlanta struggles in the playoffs when they can't get out in transition.

We need shooters and we need some WING SHOOTERS. We continually try to get around it, but it's the reality of the NBA.

[G Force]

haha this crazy kid wants to trade the whole team away. chill, little man.

[Chef]

not sure stern would ever allow artest and jackson on the same team again.

[110oldeast]

Does the Orlando/Atlanta series not offer any perspective to folks?

I honestly don't think doing drastic things makes sense right now. Unless you somehow magically think we are going to make some moves that make us the Eastern Conference favorites, I think we should continue to progress and then look at what comes of freeing up space after next year does.

There is a progression that takes place and if we keep looking for shortcuts, we will put ourselves in Knicks land.

[Weezy21]

haha this crazy kid wants to trade the whole team away. chill, little man.

haha guess ur right

i just dont think resigning felton and tyrus will do a damn thing for us...i guess i cant stand having tyson,diop, and diaw...i want ppl who actually make a difference

an yes it was definitly some trade u would see off of nba live...i apologize for that haha....this offseason is already making me go a little crazy...im just praying our team doesnt come back looking the same cuz we will be one and done again

[Plowright]

Larry Brown is a teacher, ask anyone who has ever had him as coach. so our team will get better...

[teej]

Larry Brown is a teacher, ask anyone who has ever had him as coach. so our team will get better...

Darko disagrees. :rolleyes:

[DY_nasty]

Darko disagrees. :rolleyes:
lol

He's got the same eye for talent that didn't see Carmelo either

[teej]

lol

He's got the same eye for talent that didn't see Carmelo either

Or Bosh, or Wade.

[EC123]

The OP clearly knows NOTHING about basketball.

Seeing Chandler and Diaw remaining on his final roster is proof of this.

[spectre]

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1010181


Trade ID# 5517474 (http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5517474)

Charlotte Trade Breakdown
Incoming Players: Devin Harris, Yi Jianlian
Outgoing Players: Nazr Mohammed, DJ Augustin, Derrick Brown, '12 CHA 1st
CHA upgrades its rotation BIGTIME.
Harris, Jackson, Wallace, Diaw, Chandler
(Downey), Henderson, Jianlian, Diop


New Jersey Trade Breakdown
Incoming Players: DJ Augustin, Andrei Kirilenko, #9
Outgoing Players: Devin Harris, Yi Jianlian, #27
NJN adds assets to surround Lopez, the #1 pick ( :pray: ), and an elite max FA ( :pray: :pray: ).
(Wall), Williams, [James], Kirilenko, Lopez
Augustin, Lee, Roberts, (Hobson), (Udoh)


Utah Trade Breakdown
Incoming Players: Nazr Mohammed, Derrick Brown, #27
Outgoing Players: Andrei Kirilenko, #9
UTA sheds $11mil in '10 payroll, while adding a defensive backup big and quality young SF.
Williams, Matthews, Miles, [Boozer], Okur
Price, [Korver], Brown, Millsap, Mohammed


I'd do it from Charlotte's POV.

Not only would we be getting Harris...think of all the Asian streams we'd be able to choose from!

I know the pick would be problematic and we wouldn't be able to deal it because of the Ted Stepien Rule...but that's just a technicality (HEH!).

[SWedd523]

I don't think I'd do that trade. Devin may be worth a first, but Yi is. Worth Nazr's expiring, our only other PG on the roster and our brightest-future young fella.

Without either the first, DJ, or UPS, I'd consider it.

[Marvel]

I wouldn't do that trade either.I love Harris but giving up Derrick Brown for Yi would be a HUGE mistake.

[EvetsMorrison15]

could we land Bosh?

[DY_nasty]

could we land Bosh?
I'm sure someone could think up some wonderful, magical s&t deal that involves Toronto happily taking Diop, Nazr, and DJ but the real answer is a solid NO.

[spectre]

It's a quantity for quality trade. Giving up bench players (one who's behind our best player no less) and a pick we'd most likely blow for a tall PG like Harris...not to mention another go to scorer...is a no brainer IMO.

That being said I didn't realize it had us taking on about 4 million in salary. Maybe swap TC for Nazr, have them throw in CDR for some scoring (or other filler) and get some cap relief to sign (or S&T) TT. Get Watson in FA.

Harris/Watson
Jax/Hendo/CDR
Crash/Yi
Boris/TT
Nazr/Gana/Jinx

with all 3 SGs who can play at SF and Yi at the 4.

You guys are also neglecting the new availability of Asian streams. That's like a late 1st round pick to me.

[SWedd523]

The problem with quality over quantity is that we'd be paying more salary for less guys. After that trade, we'd take on an additional $4 million and only have 8 guys on the roster. That alone gives it a large "hell no" in my book

we'd have 1 PG, 1.5 SF, and 1.5 PF. No thank you. If the trade were to be reworked (like you mentioned), then I'd come back to the table.

[spectre]

If the trade were to be reworked (like you mentioned), then I'd come back to the table.

It wouldn't work on it's face anyway due to the pick going out from us that was proposed.

The salary would definitely be an issue, but the idea that Nets' fans would even consider a package from us for Harris (he's easily be the best PG available assuming TP stays, which I think he will) made me a little optimistic something could actually be done.

Of course how often does the worst team get the top pick? They'll probably end up getting the 3rd or 4th and someone like the Clipshow will luck into 1st overall.

[BRNC]

I doubt we could come up with the "best package" for Harris anyway...other teams are already calling the Nets about his availability...I guess there is an assumption the Nets win the Wall sweeps...and given TP not wanting to leave the Spurs Harris would be the best (probably) available...