View Full Version : Still wish we had this guy?
BobCatsFanInTx
05-10-2010, 02:03 PM
Jared Dudley scored 16 off the bench, including three more dagger 3-pointers.
http://www.nba.com/2010/news/features/art_garcia/05/10/suns.spurs.4/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt1
I love JMZ, but he's said himself that he wasn't going to fit in here under LB.
So no, I don't wish I had him or J-Rich back.
ammofan
05-10-2010, 03:06 PM
Yeah......obviously the trade hasn't worked in our favor. Dudley is a good 3 pt shooter and J-Rich is just J-Rich. Sure, we got Raja, which we packaged together to get Jack, but other than that, we lost the trade. Boris was ok, but to be honest, I want him gone.....forget him....trade him
Yeah......obviously the trade hasn't worked in our favor. Dudley is a good 3 pt shooter and J-Rich is just J-Rich. Sure, we got Raja, which we packaged together to get Jack, but other than that, we lost the trade. Boris was ok, but to be honest, I want him gone.....forget him....trade him
So...you'd rather have J-Rich (who's not even a 2nd option like Jack should be) and JMZ (who isn't an LB player) than Jack and Diaw? Ok...
spectre
05-10-2010, 03:18 PM
Of course I'd like to have Duds back...but not if it meant not doing the original trade. I wouldn't mind Richardson back as 6th man...but 13/14 million for a bench guy on the Charlotte Bobcats isn't happening anytime soon either.
Plowright
05-10-2010, 03:25 PM
HAHA when is saw the title of this post i instantly thought jared Dudley.
Yeh i wish we had him back aswell :(
but 13/14 million for a bench guy on the Charlotte Bobcats isn't happening anytime soon either.
You sure? Tyson was close...:biggrin:
spectre
05-10-2010, 03:45 PM
You sure? Tyson was close...:biggrin:
Only cuz LB likes to play Ancient Age to start games. :facepalm:
LOL! Point taken!
Felton for Prez
05-10-2010, 04:02 PM
So...you'd rather have J-Rich (who's not even a 2nd option like Jack should be) and JMZ (who isn't an LB player) than Jack and Diaw? Ok...
Why wasn't Dudley an LB player? Maybe not the ideal LB player because he's not all that athletic but he could play multiple positions, worked his butt off and has extremely high bball IQ.
jdsingar
05-10-2010, 04:15 PM
Whenever I watched Jared play in Charlotte, it didn't really seem like he was playing to his potential at the time. We don't shoot many threes, nor did we (still the case) more than one or two guys to create openings for others. Jared is playing with Steve Nash and Amare right now, and I believe he is getting good looks because of it. He could have done well if he stuck around longer, but I think he was better served elsewhere.
All things considered though, it seems like we got the short end of that deal. At least in the long run. J-Rich is playing like a great No. 3 guy. I don't miss him though.
superb1
05-10-2010, 04:36 PM
Salary wise it was not necessary to include Dudley, FWIW
Why wasn't Dudley an LB player? Maybe not the ideal LB player because he's not all that athletic but he could play multiple positions, worked his butt off and has extremely high bball IQ.
Go listen to the first podcast he did with Simmons, he specifically says that Charlotte and LB wasn't where he was going to maximize his talent.
dnbman
05-10-2010, 07:27 PM
Dudley is a Robert Horry type player. He's the type of player you need to have on your team if you want a championship, but not a guy you build around. Dudley wouldn't be doing the things he's doing in Phoenix for us because of the system and his role on a veteran team. We didn't have the luxury to hang on to Dudley and allow him to hangout until we turned into a contender.
So, to echo what others have said, yeah, it would be nice to have him. However, he isn't and wasn't a player you covet when you're young and trying to build a contender. He's the type of guy you eventually give the mid level exception to in order to solidify your chances in the playoffs.
110oldeast
05-10-2010, 10:56 PM
Loved the kid's game. He's a solid defender, CAN CATCH AND SHOOT and does all the little things you need.
I will be an annoying broken record (I know I already am to some), but we need some effing wings who can naturally catch and shoot. Otherwise, we will just be Atlanta north. Athleticism is nice, but if you don't have shooters and play a halfcourt game like LB pushes, you are making things ridiculously hard for your team. Our offensive margin for error is so slim because of this. It's also part of what at times make Boris a necessary evil.
If you're going to keep bringing in athletic players with mediocre jumpshots and try to limit jumpshots, you need to push the ball a good amount of the time. It's just not realistic to think that you are going to run a predominantly halfcourt offense with no dominant big guy and mediocre jumpshooting.
Love LB and he has forgotten more ball than all of us on this board combined know, but that's just the reality in today's non-illegal defense having (not talking about D-3) NBA.
WarioVsMooChicken
05-10-2010, 11:07 PM
Bring back Matt Caroll? >.>
EvetsMorrison15
05-11-2010, 12:18 AM
when I read the thread tittle I thought the person was Ammo. Then I saw that Ammofan didn't write it so I sank in my chair.
GoBobs
05-11-2010, 01:31 PM
The suns have a system which helps there players maximize their ability to shoot threes. There are tons of guys who have gone there and had there best years shooting the three ball. Just look at their other guy Frye. How many teams around the league would have given that guy the green light to shoot so many threes. It would never happen under Larry Brown I can tell you that. Raja Bell and Boris Diaw proved they could shoot the three ball during their time with the suns. Tim Thomas played his best basketball with them and lit it up from three.
If the suns had Ajinca he would be a 3pt machine! If they had Tyson Chandler there training staff would find a way to keep him healthy.
BobCatsFanInTx
05-11-2010, 03:29 PM
Just a quick question in regards to Jax and JRich. Of the two, who takes more unnecessary quick shots early in the shot clock and gets his team out of rhythm? I say Jax. Who has worse shot selection?
To me, JRich is a smarter player. Not necessarily the better player but to me definitely the smarter of the two.
Sometimes, brain is way better than athletic skills. In the case of JDud and and JRich I think it holds true. That said, I am looking forward to next season because I think a full off season and whole season together will help our team immensly. Just need to replace Diaw and Diop in my opinion.
BobCatsFanInTx
05-11-2010, 03:30 PM
when I read the thread tittle I thought the person was Ammo. Then I saw that Ammofan didn't write it so I sank in my chair.Why???? Is there something wrong with me starting a thread like this?
Why???? Is there something wrong with me starting a thread like this?
We're talking about Steve Morrison. He's a die hard Ammo fan.
And as for your question, J-Rich may be the smarter player, but he's the one who shrinks in crunch time. And he's paid a lot more, too.
Demon DeaCat
05-11-2010, 04:02 PM
No way we're in the playoffs this year if that trade didn't happen, so I'm okay with it.
EvetsMorrison15
05-12-2010, 03:02 PM
Why???? Is there something wrong with me starting a thread like this?
i meant for you guys to rip on me. I know that you all hate him so I was just trying to stir shit.
spectre
05-12-2010, 03:03 PM
i meant for you guys to rip on me. I know that you all hate him so I was just trying to stir shit.
Not his fault we took him 3rd with such high expectations.
I hate Bernie for talking MJ into it.
BobCatsFanInTx
05-25-2010, 10:13 PM
i meant for you guys to rip on me. I know that you all hate him so I was just trying to stir shit.
For what it is worth EvetsMorrison15, I do actually feel that Adam Morrison still has a chance to do something besides ride the bench. I feel that Adam's biggest problem is mental and not his ability to play the game. I always felt like he needed a sports psychologist to see why he had confidence issues.
I am sure I will be ripped on with you for my opinion that Adam Morrison is not washed up.
No matter, I still feel that way and hope one day to be proven right.
BobCatsFanInTx
05-25-2010, 10:17 PM
We're talking about Steve Morrison. He's a die hard Ammo fan.
And as for your question, J-Rich may be the smarter player, but he's the one who shrinks in crunch time. And he's paid a lot more, too.Last time I looked JRich has been pretty good for the Suns this post season. In critical situations, crunch time and otherwise. I would take JRich and JDud back in a nanosecond.
Last time I looked JRich has been pretty good for the Suns this post season. In critical situations, crunch time and otherwise. I would take JRich and JDud back in a nanosecond.
Heh, I was actually looking for this thread after that game.
Except, I wanted to say if I had to pick a Sun to become a Bobcat, I'd take Goran Dragic. Damn, can he play or what?
kickazzz2000
05-26-2010, 02:32 AM
"We've got a good scouting department," Kerr said. "I know Jared's been perceived as a throw-in to that deal, but he was no throw-in. Charlotte really valued Jared. We haggled over him for a while in that deal."
http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/columns/story?columnist=shelburne_ramona&id=5216812
"I think someone's trash is another man's treasure," Dudley said. "Certain people just work in certain systems.
"Channing, as you can tell, is flourishing in an opened-up system where he can shoot the ball. In Portland, he wouldn't even be allowed to shoot it. I wasn't even allowed to shoot the ball from 3-point range when I was in Charlotte, and now I'm one of the league leaders in 3-point shooting.
"Plus, Alvin [Gentry, the Suns' coach] gave us all confidence, like, 'Hey, I'm not going to take you out. You're going to play through your bad mistakes because I want you guys improving and to become successful.'"
Ahem, Larry?
DY_nasty
05-26-2010, 04:28 AM
Last time I looked JRich has been pretty good for the Suns this post season. In critical situations, crunch time and otherwise. I would take JRich and JDud back in a nanosecond.
I'm one of the few people that believes that the Bobcats had a playoff team before LB flipped the roster upside down. Call me crazy.
spectre
05-26-2010, 06:06 AM
Speaking of "this guy"...
"I've been on teams in Charlotte where guys were rooting for other guys not to do well," Dudley said. "They wanted them to do bad so they could play."
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2010/columns/story?columnist=adande_ja&page=SunsChemistry-100525
Reminds me of some fans.
ziggy
05-26-2010, 06:38 AM
I wonder who the guys were that were rooting against their teammates?
And I wonder if they are still around?
I'm one of the few people that believes that the Bobcats had a playoff team before LB flipped the roster upside down. Call me crazy.
j-rich is cap killer though. as much as we hate Doris, he has made us much better.
I wonder who the guys were that were rooting against their teammates?
And I wonder if they are still around?
Probably the older guys like DA, Othella, Boykins and McInnis, and younger ones like Jermareo.
Let's put it this way. Only Gerald, Ray, Nazr, Lexy, and DJ are still around from JMZ's time here. I can't see Crash or Ray beng that way since they played, same for DJ then, and we've already documented Lexy has attitude issues and Nazr wanted PT...
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