I hope this idea dies fast

[BobcatsAllDay]

I say no but I was curious to see what my fellow Cat fans feel about this idea....

http://dimemag.com/2010/05/mike-browns-next-move-charlotte/

[teej]

I think LB comes back, but if Brown doesn't get a HC job, I think he or Woody (or both) will be on LB's bench. Both are LB disciples...

[ohara831]

Yeah, I dont think Brown was given a fair deal in Cleveland. It was the FO who made the moves to put the people around King James, not Coach Brown. If LB brought him in as an asst for a year and then handed the reigns over to him, I would not lose any sleep over it.

[ziggy]

There was one name at the top of that article that was intriguing... Tom Thibodeau.
As the architect of the Celtics defense, I would think that some team would have snatched him up by now.

[teej]

There was one name at the top of that article that was intriguing... Tom Thibodeau.
As the architect of the Celtics defense, I would think that some team would have snatched him up by now.

Seeing how NoLa has their job between him and Monty Williams, and only Philly has announced a coach, I think he'll have a HC job next season. There's still ATL, NJN, Chicago, LAC, and Cleveland.

[K1NGofAKR0N]

i would like this. ALot.

[DY_nasty]

Yeah, I dont think Brown was given a fair deal in Cleveland. It was the FO who made the moves to put the people around King James, not Coach Brown. If LB brought him in as an asst for a year and then handed the reigns over to him, I would not lose any sleep over it.
They won 60 games and had the best record in the league! People need to stop saying Lebron didn't have help. Geez, in Game 6 against Boston Mo dropped 20 in the 1st half.

Maybe if Mike Brown knew what an offensive set was instead of "give it to Bron and everyone just wait for something to happen" he'd have been able to beat a decent team in the playoffs for once. Maybe if he was a decent coach, he'd have played JJ Hickson some more instead of leaving The Ghost of Z out on the floor while the Celtics played small ball. The guy is a complete idiot and the only reason he even kept his job for more than a year was because Bron took Flip Saunders' balls and proved Flip to be the coaching equivalent of Chris Webber. He's only been in Cleveland this long because he's a Lebron cheerleader and exists solely to appease the Ringless King.

The guy failed completely at integrating Jamison into that line up. Failed when it came to making adjustments - all the time. And never realized that Cavs were possibly the best running team in the league.

I give him credit for his defense, but other than that he's a complete sham and further proof that the COTY award is utterly worthless.

If he becomes head coach of the Bobcats this year, I'm out. Maybe he learns what an offense looks like and how to handle a rotation in the next few years, but I'm not sticking around to watch him figure it out in Charlotte.

[ND22]

They won 60 games and had the best record in the league! People need to stop saying Lebron didn't have help. Geez, in Game 6 against Boston Mo dropped 20 in the 1st half.

Maybe if Mike Brown knew what an offensive set was instead of "give it to Bron and everyone just wait for something to happen" he'd have been able to beat a decent team in the playoffs for once. Maybe if he was a decent coach, he'd have played JJ Hickson some more instead of leaving The Ghost of Z out on the floor while the Celtics played small ball. The guy is a complete idiot and the only reason he even kept his job for more than a year was because Bron took Flip Saunders' balls and proved Flip to be the coaching equivalent of Chris Webber. He's only been in Cleveland this long because he's a Lebron cheerleader and exists solely to appease the Ringless King.

The guy failed completely at integrating Jamison into that line up. Failed when it came to making adjustments - all the time. And never realized that Cavs were possibly the best running team in the league.

I give him credit for his defense, but other than that he's a complete sham and further proof that the COTY award is utterly worthless.

If he becomes head coach of the Bobcats this year, I'm out. Maybe he learns what an offense looks like and how to handle a rotation in the next few years, but I'm not sticking around to watch him figure it out in Charlotte.

I second this completely. Watching Cleavland play offense was a complete joke, the other four would stand around and let Lebron do his own thing and when Lebron decided to do nothing it was even worse. Jamison was getting his ass handed to him by KG yet he keeps him in and leaves Hickson (a starter for 70 or so games) on the bench. Yeah, they won 60 games in the regular season but it doesn't matter, they were not prepared for the Celtics at all.

[SWedd523]

Have to agree. If you guys lament LB's rotations. Boy are you going to flip when you see Mike Brown's.

[GoBobs]

He never made what should have been a totally obvious move and put LBJ at the PF and had the team run more. If we get a new coach we need somebody that can teach these guys offense not another defensive coach.

[Toocool]

I think of Mike Brown...and I think of Fine Ham Biscuit. Perhaps it's the bald head :g:

Anyway, Mike Brown is a crap coach. Sure you could say he was great defensively, but his idea of offensive was give the ball to Lebron and pray. I also recall Mike Brown, in the last play of the game for the game winner, instead of him drawing up a play, his assistant is doing it. So I wouldn't want him, unless LB is coming back since I wouldn't want to touch his offensive with a ten foot sanitized pole.

[dunnlx]

Mike Brown sucks!!!!!


He never made what should have been a totally obvious move and put LBJ at the PF and had the team run more. If we get a new coach we need somebody that can teach these guys offense not another defensive coach.

[-Ian-]

I think of Mike Brown...and I think of Fine Ham Biscuit. Perhaps it's the bald head :g:

Anyway, Mike Brown is a crap coach. Sure you could say he was great defensively, but his idea of offensive was give the ball to Lebron and pray. I also recall Mike Brown, in the last play of the game for the game winner, instead of him drawing up a play, his assistant is doing it. So I wouldn't want him, unless LB is coming back since I wouldn't want to touch his offensive with a ten foot sanitized pole.
This!
http://i40.tinypic.com/b832g4.jpg


If there's anyone that I would like to replace LB as a coach, that would be Dave Hanners. He may not be the coaching genius like LB, but he can maintain the defensive intensity that the team has if ever he becomes the coach and it seems that he's also meticulous when it comes to details.

Mike Brown already served as an assistant coach to Pop but it seems that he didn't learned anything. :facepalm:

[spectre]

I'd guess Woodson would have more of a chance here than Brown.

[DY_nasty]

I'd actually give Woodson a little bit of leeway. He had to deal with Atlanta's completely retarded management for a couple of years. The stress was so much that lost all hair on his body.

I really, really don't like how his teams were completely unreliable from the neck up though.

Dwayne Casey ftw.

[spectre]

I'd actually give Woodson a little bit of leeway. He had to deal with Atlanta's completely retarded management for a couple of years. The stress was so much that lost all hair on his body.

I really, really don't like how his teams were completely unreliable from the neck up though.

Dwayne Casey ftw.

But was that Woodson's fault?

I admire the guy for keeping a winning team on the court while keeping that idiot Smith in line (for the most part).

Biggest preference o'course is LB coming back. This team still needs to be coached up on the fundamentals...kind of hard to get the Bernie/Idiot stink off after just 2 seasons.

[DY_nasty]

I believe that mental fortitude is one of the few things that a coach has a direct effect on. The mark of a good coach, in any sport, is having a team that always plays hard regardless of what the score or situation is. Woodson's Hawks team, outside of that 7 game series with the Celtics, didn't really step up at any point during their playoff runs.

Also, I think you guys give Bernie a bad rap around here. He did a lot given what he had to work with...

[spectre]

Bernie had THREE plays. We know this because Steve Smith said as much during one of the Hawks' games. He said Bernie had the "thinnest" playbook in the league. His biggest thing was to "play hard".

By us being such a young/untalented team in the beginning it hurt our player development utilizing a glorified version of street ball. I don't think it's coincidental that Felton had a static improvement line until LB got here. Crash didn't see his game evolve in the fundamentals until LB got here.

I found it interesting that the same comments were made about the Bulls these past couple of seasons. Luckily for them they actually had some strong talent.

Smith was a total brat in a lot of games. I went to one last year where he showed his arse and Woodson sat him for the entire 2nd half.

If that was LB Smith woulda been "outta there". Woodson most likely didn't have that luxury and so had to deal with what he got.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

People who can not appreciate the coaching skills and the job that Mike Brown did while in Cleveland are very ignorant. I love our current coach but if Mike Brown were to replace Larry Brown I would be thrilled.

[teej]

Bernie had THREE plays. We know this because Steve Smith said as much during one of the Hawks' games. He said Bernie had the "thinnest" playbook in the league. His biggest thing was to "play hard".

If he had Kobe, Boston's Big 3, or Steve Nash that would've been fine...:rolleyes:


I went to one last year where he showed his arse

I vaguely remember that, he's an arrogant little prick. There's a reason they weren't thrilled about re-signing him.

[DY_nasty]

Ignorant to what? Mike Brown's "Give it to Bron and wait for something to happen" offensive playbook?

Avery Johnson, Sam Mitchell, Byron Scott, Mike Brown - all winners, all fired. Jerry Sloan has never won the award. So yeah, the COTY award is a sham. Don't let ESPN fool you into thinking that Mike is a good coach. Their "experts" have a habit of being dead wrong more times than not.

[teej]

Avery Johnson, Sam Mitchell, Byron Scott, Mike Brown - all winners, all fired. Jerry Sloan has never won the award. So yeah, the COTY award is a sham. Don't let ESPN fool you into thinking that Mike is a good coach. Their "experts" have a habit of being dead wrong more times than not.

Mainly because their experts got canned too...remember Doc Rivers went into tv after he got canned by the Magic (after winning the COTY, too) and is on his way to a possible second ring...hmm.

[DY_nasty]

Mainly because their experts got canned too...remember Doc Rivers went into tv after he got canned by the Magic (after winning the COTY, too) and is on his way to a possible second ring...hmm.
You give me 3 hall of famers and one of the best young pg prospects in the NBA (not to mention refmageddon - aPowecalaypse now) and I'd have a ring too.

Doc was close to being fired before the Big 3 showed up in Boston.

Thib should be given a lot of credit for the Celtics D as well.

To be completely honest though, I'll never really forget Doc for what he did to McGrady in Orlando. Never even taught McGrady how to attack a zone defense... He's probably one of the main reasons that McGrady is as broken down as he is right now. People forget that McGrady was better than Kobe at one point...

[BobCatsFanInTx]

I think of Mike Brown...and I think of Fine Ham Biscuit. Perhaps it's the bald head :g:

Anyway, Mike Brown is a crap coach. Sure you could say he was great defensively, but his idea of offensive was give the ball to Lebron and pray. I also recall Mike Brown, in the last play of the game for the game winner, instead of him drawing up a play, his assistant is doing it. So I wouldn't want him, unless LB is coming back since I wouldn't want to touch his offensive with a ten foot sanitized pole.It is not like our team is loaded with offensive talent. I'd take Mike Brown any day. The reality is that based on talent alone most coaches would be lucky to take the Cavs to 50 win seasons let alone 60+. So while Mike is the scapegoat for the failing of the Cavs in the playoffs I would take being a top seed each season any day over being a fourth or later seed. I bet you 90 to nothing that NO coach will get more out of Cleveland and King James than did Mike Brown. That is of coarse if Lebron stays in Cleveland. While Mike Brown is made the scapegoat you can almost be assured that the next coach does not coach this years lineup next season.

A man does not take a middle of the road team and win 60+ if he has no clue how to be a head coach. Lebron can only do so much and it takes a solid coach to get the best from his players.

Many have said Phil Jackson is overrated. I say the man may have had talent but he also has had many ego's with which to pacify. Phil is a players coach and his knowledge is much higher than many want to recognize.

I guess my point is Mike Brown has not had Phil Jackson teams talent but given that kind of talent he would have a title at this time himself.

Mike Brown's reputation may have taken a hit but mark my words that when this man gets the right job he will help a good team win it all.

[DY_nasty]

Mike Brown isn't the scapegoat, he's directly at fault for each of the Cavs playoff failures. Lets look at some glaring situations that a quality coach would address...

1) Mo can't guard Rondo - Solution? Let Delonte guard him instead of putting Lebron, who actually isn't that quick laterally, on the shiftiest point guard in the league and in turn leave Paul Pierce to go ham.
2) Jamison - He never successfully integrated this proven scorer into the offense (Cavs have no offense, lol). Not only that, he decided to that leaving him to guard KG for the majority of the series was a good idea even though he's completely overmatched. His solution to Jamison getting soulcrushed? Put Shaq on him. Wow Mike Brown, that might be one the single dumbest coaching moves in the last 10 years. Whats Shaq going to do with KG working the high post and midrange game? Nothing at all. Not only that, but it lets the Kendrick Perkins have his way with whoever else is left defenseless inside. Solution? Definitely DON'T put Z out there and in some ass-backwards attempt to play up & down small ball. You got Hickson and Jawad, two fresh young bodies, wear KG's old and busted frame out Mr. Defensive Mastermind.
3) Why is Anthony Parker guarding Ray? For the couple of minutes that Moon was on Ray, he played terrific defense, but then you go right back to Parker? What is this? I don't even...
4) How about you address the team about the fact that they're the worst FT shooting team in the league?
5) Scoring would be a lot easier on everyone if you actually ran offensive sets. Can anyone actually recall a game where the Cavs moved the ball around the perimeter, letting the ball touch everyone's hands, for more than a quarter? Its never happened, and from high school and AAU up, its a trademark sign of a crap offense.
6) Why is he letting guys dance around on the sidelines during an elimination game? (Why is Lebron shooting from half court in pre-game warmups if his elbow is hurt for that matter...)

I could go on and on, but I'd rather not kill the basketball fan inside of me by rewatching the Cavs in the post-season.

The team won 60 games and had homecourt throughout the post-season. Lebron didn't do that by himself. The whole team did. And not all of the blame for failure is on Mike Brown, but as the leader, he AND Lebron will be taking a ton of flak and rightfully so. Never has a team had HCA twice in back to back years and failed to make it to the Finals altogether.

He's just another Avery Johnson. An experimental guy who inherited a loaded team, won in the regular season but completely crapped the bed in the playoffs. They both may end up being great coaches down the line but its very, very clear that they each need more time before they're remotely close to deserving the amount of attention that they receive.

I'd also say that Lebron's skill actually grew significantly under Paul Silas. With Mike Brown, not so much.

But back to Mike Brown, the only excuse that I can think of making for him is that maybe, maybe, maybe he was also caught up by Lebron running the show. However, even then it shows that he isn't able to run his own ship. So what's he good for?

[BobCatsFanInTx]

Mike Brown isn't the scapegoat, he's directly at fault for each of the Cavs playoff failures. Lets look at some glaring situations that a quality coach would address...

1) Mo can't guard Rondo - Solution? Let Delonte guard him instead of putting Lebron, who actually isn't that quick laterally, on the shiftiest point guard in the league and in turn leave Paul Pierce to go ham.
2) Jamison - He never successfully integrated this proven scorer into the offense (Cavs have no offense, lol). Not only that, he decided to that leaving him to guard KG for the majority of the series was a good idea even though he's completely overmatched. His solution to Jamison getting soulcrushed? Put Shaq on him. Wow Mike Brown, that might be one the single dumbest coaching moves in the last 10 years. Whats Shaq going to do with KG working the high post and midrange game? Nothing at all. Not only that, but it lets the Kendrick Perkins have his way with whoever else is left defenseless inside. Solution? Definitely DON'T put Z out there and in some ass-backwards attempt to play up & down small ball. You got Hickson and Jawad, two fresh young bodies, wear KG's old and busted frame out Mr. Defensive Mastermind.
3) Why is Anthony Parker guarding Ray? For the couple of minutes that Moon was on Ray, he played terrific defense, but then you go right back to Parker? What is this? I don't even...
4) How about you address the team about the fact that they're the worst FT shooting team in the league?
5) Scoring would be a lot easier on everyone if you actually ran offensive sets. Can anyone actually recall a game where the Cavs moved the ball around the perimeter, letting the ball touch everyone's hands, for more than a quarter? Its never happened, and from high school and AAU up, its a trademark sign of a crap offense.
6) Why is he letting guys dance around on the sidelines during an elimination game? (Why is Lebron shooting from half court in pre-game warmups if his elbow is hurt for that matter...)

I could go on and on, but I'd rather not kill the basketball fan inside of me by rewatching the Cavs in the post-season.

The team won 60 games and had homecourt throughout the post-season. Lebron didn't do that by himself. The whole team did. And not all of the blame for failure is on Mike Brown, but as the leader, he AND Lebron will be taking a ton of flak and rightfully so. Never has a team had HCA twice in back to back years and failed to make it to the Finals altogether.

He's just another Avery Johnson. An experimental guy who inherited a loaded team, won in the regular season but completely crapped the bed in the playoffs. They both may end up being great coaches down the line but its very, very clear that they each need more time before they're remotely close to deserving the amount of attention that they receive.

I'd also say that Lebron's skill actually grew significantly under Paul Silas. With Mike Brown, not so much.

But back to Mike Brown, the only excuse that I can think of making for him is that maybe, maybe, maybe he was also caught up by Lebron running the show. However, even then it shows that he isn't able to run his own ship. So what's he good for?I could address your issues point by point but that would be moot. I will just say that Mike Brown cut his teeth as a head coach with the Cav's and if you don't think that if Mike Brown had the kind of talent that teams like Orlando, Boston and the LA Lakers have he could not win it all you are crazy. Mike Brown went to the Finals with less talent imo than the other lesser seeds that beat them. It is a shame that the Cav's faltered in the playoffs but other top seeds have failed to win it all. It is not always the coach.

Mike Brown may not be a perfect playoff coach but to me his decision making was far from the reason the Cav's failed. Let us just say that the last two seasons despite having the better regular season records the Cav's did not lose to anybody under the third seed in the East. Cleveland was not that much better record wise than the Magic and Celtics. Orlando had been a team that was improving every year for many years and they were due for a break through. Boston won a championship in in 2008 and much of the team from 2008 is the same. So while Boston may have been been a three seed this season they had health issues for much of it. As it turns out the playoffs for Boston have been anything but a fluke. They are on the verge of winning it all.

If somehow the teams that beat Cleveland faltered after their victories I could see the consternation but Orlando gave a hot Lakers team last season a run for their money in the Finals and Boston is on the verge of beating the teams with the first, second and third best records in the regular season. Which would make them this seasons champions. I think that says more about Boston and Doc Rivers than it does Mike Brown and what a failure he was as a head coach.

It is okay to be living room head coach but I think there are factors beyond match ups and X's and O's in regards to Cleveland not winning it all. Truthfully, I am not a fan of the King so I am thrilled that Cleveland failed. Still, I think Mike Brown did as good a job as ANY coach could have done with Cleveland THIS season. Last season there MAY be a solid argument. When you look at how Boston has played and how they have excelled I would say Mike Brown was the scapegoat this season.

At the end of the day I will take a head coach that gets the best out of his team he can. I would take a 60+ win season two seasons in a row any day. Nearly every season things happen that regular season records can't account for. Look how great the Spurs were early in the Millennium even though they did not have the best overall record in the NBA most seasons.

The last time I remember a team consistently having the best regular season record and actually winning it all was the 90's Bulls. Sometimes it seems that teams finishing in the second, third or fourth seeds in their conference are better set to win it all. Who knows? What I can say is that there are many factors that play into who wins the championships.

It is possible that Mike Brown sucks and is the worst playoff coach ever but I think he got a raw deal. He has been in the Finals and he made as well as King James made the Cav's legit.

I will guarantee you that with Danny Ferry and Mike Brown gone and if Lebron stays the Cav's won't be any better next season.

[TattoodCats4life]

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I am not a fan of the King so I am thrilled that Cleveland failed.
And this...

I will guarantee you that with Danny Ferry and Mike Brown gone and if Lebron stays the Cav's won't be any better next season.