Starting PG in 2010 for your Charlotte Bobcats is......

[Cats4lif3]

Who do you think is gonna be our starting and backup point guard next season. Whydo you think so an how will we get them.

I'd love to see what everyone thinks.

[teej]

Starter? TJ Ford
Backup? Ish Smith
3rd PG? Flip or Hughes.

[spectre]

Starter? TJ Ford
Backup? Ish Smith
3rd PG? Flip or Hughes.

Just kill me now.

[Cats4lif3]

For some reason MJ loves tj ford.

[teej]

Just kill me now.

He asked what we thought, not what we wanted :facepalm:

[dav7z]

I was told we was going to upgrade the position.
Im thinking we trade into
Collison, DJ will continue to be a back up one more season unless a decent offer comes by.
Terrico White will become our combo guard . With his wing span , speed ,size, and ability to get to the hoop . He might take DJs spot. Or if we don't trade in to a point . Look for this kid to start at point.

[Cats4lif3]

I'd love if the bobcats would try to deal for Mo Williams or collison

[ohara831]

Either :
A. TJ Ford via a trade as was almost done this season or

B. Gilbert Arenas. Yes, I know it is shocking. But I think the Wizards want him gone. He has a lot of salary and 5 years left. But who knows what they may give up in order to get him gone. Not the #1, as that is the John Wall selection. But they may very well take DJ, Diop and Diaw and Charlotte gets Gilbert and the #30, #35 and 2011 1st - Partially Protected. Or Gilbert, the 2 picks this year mentioned above, and another player whom LB may fancy as fitting his mold. Just saying, you never know what the Wizards may give up in order to get rid of him. Why not ask for the moon and see what they say?

[Cats4lif3]

Either :
A. TJ Ford via a trade as was almost done this season or

B. Gilbert Arenas. Yes, I know it is shocking. But I think the Wizards want him gone. He has a lot of salary and 5 years left. But who knows what they may give up in order to get him gone. Not the #1, as that is the John Wall selection. But they may very well take DJ, Diop and Diaw and Charlotte gets Gilbert and the #30, #35 and 2011 1st - Partially Protected. Or Gilbert, the 2 picks this year mentioned above, and another player whom LB may fancy as fitting his mold. Just saying, you never know what the Wizards may give up in order to get rid of him. Why not ask for the moon and see what they say?

if his knee can hold up I'm all for it

[ohara831]

I know a lot of people really like Blatche. What if we could get Gilbert and Blatche for DJ, Diop and Diaw?

[Cats4lif3]

I like that trade

[ammofan]

I was told we was going to upgrade the position.
Im thinking we trade into
Collison, DJ will continue to be a back up one more season unless a decent offer comes by.
Terrico White will become our combo guard . With his wing span , speed ,size, and ability to get to the hoop . He might take DJs spot. Or if we don't trade in to a point . Look for this kid to start at point.


Who told you that information

[spectre]

He asked what we thought, not what we wanted :facepalm:

I know that.

Honestly I'm doing my best not to think it because I don't want to give any power to make it happen. I'm scared to death we're going to give up good assets for a guy his current team is itching to get rid of.

Crash for TJ. I don't think I'll ever get over that one.

[Cats4lif3]

As I've already said I like Mo and Collison but two people who could battle dj for starting PG through free agency is Nate Robinson and Jordan Farmar.

I think farmar is a great potential PG, but just can't excel in phils triangle offense. His QO is only 2.5 mill

[Chef]

Either :
A. TJ Ford via a trade as was almost done this season or

B. Gilbert Arenas. Yes, I know it is shocking. But I think the Wizards want him gone. He has a lot of salary and 5 years left. But who knows what they may give up in order to get him gone. Not the #1, as that is the John Wall selection. But they may very well take DJ, Diop and Diaw and Charlotte gets Gilbert and the #30, #35 and 2011 1st - Partially Protected. Or Gilbert, the 2 picks this year mentioned above, and another player whom LB may fancy as fitting his mold. Just saying, you never know what the Wizards may give up in order to get rid of him. Why not ask for the moon and see what they say?

i would rather make a mistake resigning ray before either of these options

[teej]

Crash for TJ. I don't think I'll ever get over that one.

LMAO. What's worse is that it was turned down.

But really, looking back, I kinda wish we had done the Naz/DJ/Hendo for TJ/B. Rush trade. I know I screamed like all hell when it was about to happen, but it's a decent idea.

Any chance that still happens?

[Cats4lif3]

He asked what we thought, not what we wanted :facepalm:

How bout this it can be what you think or what you want

[nugentrk]

Louis Williams - Through The Wire
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvb-1wjAtk4

Nazr for Louis Williams + Filler(s)


The 76ers will probably draft Evans Turner so Louis Williams can probably be had.

[Cats4lif3]

Louis Williams - Through The Wire
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvb-1wjAtk4

Nazr for Louis Williams + Filler(s)


The 76ers will probably draft Evans Turner so Louis Williams can probably be had.

I doubt 76ers use turner as a 1

[nugentrk]

Strictly a salary dump for them. Louis Williams is a combo guard.

[GoBobs]

Starter: Raymond Felton - at the end of the day we are willing to pay Raymond as much as anyone 6-7 mil per year on a long deal. Ray is dedicated to the city and his teammates and signs with the bobcats over several other offers for similar money. Even though the Bobcats are over the tax before the season starts after signing Tyrus and Ray, they can dump Nazr during the season to get under the tax.

Backup: DJ - Even though is value is at a bit of a low point he provides something this team really needs, outside shooting. Even if we could turn DJ into Lawson, N. Robinson, or Collison, none of those guys stretch the court like DJ can. Our best bet is to hope he returns to his rookie form this season.

Wild card for either spot - Nate Robinson

[ziggy]

Starter: Jeff McInnis
Backup: Sean Singletary







































Just kidding :biggrin:

I like the idea of picking up someone like Jordan Farmar which was mentioned a few posts earlier. That would give us:

starter: Jordan Farmar
backup: DJ Augustin




sorry about the McInnis flashbacks.

[Plowright]

So you think darren collinson cant strectch the floor as much as DJ??? ok... and Jordan Farmar starting at point! are you kidding? You thought ray got dominated in the play offs wait till you see jordan farmar. He is apalling, he wouldnt be a 2np option point on most play off teams, just the lakers cause they have kobe and crap PG's

[teej]

Starter: Jeff McInnis
Backup: Sean Singletary

And while we're at it, I hear Primoz isn't up to too much right now, and without Theo and probably Nazr, we need a new center!

[SCBobcat]

I think it's going to be DJ and I feel good about that. DJ went through a pretty bad sophmore slump, but so do a ton of players. Hell, Mario Chalmers was tons worse last year-to the point that he was a forgotten 3rd stringer.
DJ will bounce back. Then we will have a LB vet and a rookie of some sort (or young guy like Demarcus Nelson) as backups. I'll go out on a limb and say Demarcus and Chucky Atkins.

[DY_nasty]

The thing is that Chalmers was never that good, and if he doesn't hit that amazing shot on Rose, he probably doesn't even get drafted.

I still say that DJ has had probably the worst 'sophomore slump' (that wasn't because of injury) I've ever seen in the NBA.

Starter: Collison
Backup: DJ
3rd: Scottie Reynolds (because we haven't been hit by enough curve balls lately)

[Fred Williamson]

I know a lot of people really like Blatche. What if we could get Gilbert and Blatche for DJ, Diop and Diaw?

I don't get it. What makes people think that the Wizards are going to dump Arenas for trash? Yeah, his contract sucks, but he's still an allstar who can easily average 25/7/5. And you certainly won't get Blatche in such a deal. He may be a bit retarded, but he's the the most skilled big man in the league, and still only 24 years old. The Wizards front office isn't that desperate.


Louis Williams...

he's not a point guard and he sucks

[teej]

he's not a point guard and he sucks

I do hope you're going to be around this offseason. I have a feeling you'll be saying that a lot.

And why the hell would we draft/sign Scottie Reynolds?? If we're going with that type, it'd be Price from UConn.

[DY_nasty]

And why the hell would we draft/sign Scottie Reynolds?? If we're going with that type, it'd be Price from UConn.
My Collison/DJ backcourt wasn't crazy enough. I had throw something completely absurd in there for it to be realistic.

[Cats4lif3]

Starter: Raymond Felton - at the end of the day we are willing to pay Raymond as much as anyone 6-7 mil per year on a long deal. Ray is dedicated to the city and his teammates and signs with the bobcats over several other offers for similar money. Even though the Bobcats are over the tax before the season starts after signing Tyrus and Ray, they can dump Nazr during the season to get under the tax.

Backup: DJ - Even though is value is at a bit of a low point he provides something this team really needs, outside shooting. Even if we could turn DJ into Lawson, N. Robinson, or Collison, none of those guys stretch the court like DJ can. Our best bet is to hope he returns to his rookie form this season.

Wild card for either spot - Nate Robinson

sorry but

1) we won't sign Ray for as much as other teams will
2) I'm pretty sure collison can stretch the floor alot better then dj

[spectre]

My Collison/DJ backcourt wasn't crazy enough. I had throw something completely absurd in there for it to be realistic.

How do you propose we get Collison?

Not that you're required to give reason/explanation in this thread...but I was just curious.

[Cats4lif3]

Would the hornets accept dj, nazr and diaw For collison and posey??

[Muttley]

Would the hornets accept dj, nazr and diaw For collison and posey??

Maybe... but the NBA would not.

[spectre]

Would the hornets accept dj, nazr and diaw For collison and posey??

I kind of doubt it. Boris would cost more than Posey and they have the same amount of years.

Off topic note...but did we trade Boris for cap relief? All of a sudden Draft Express doesn't have him listed AND they have his salary deducted from our total!

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-player-salaries/team/Bobcats/

And here I thought miracles couldn't happen!!! :kingofpop:

[Muttley]

I kind of doubt it. Boris would cost more than Posey and they have the same amount of years.

Off topic note...but did we trade Boris for cap relief? All of a sudden Draft Express doesn't have him listed AND they have his salary deducted from our total!

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-player-salaries/team/Bobcats/

And here I thought miracles couldn't happen!!! :kingofpop:

They must have heard you, because he was on there when I clicked the link.
Sorry, MJ, but you can stop dancing now.

[Cats4lif3]

Is there any other way to get collison?

[spectre]

They must have heard you, because he was on there when I clicked the link.
Sorry, MJ, but you can stop dancing now.

LOL, I must have missed him! I swear I looked a 2nd time before I posted that and still didn't see him.

Yeah...he's still here.

[Muttley]

Is there any other way to get collison?
In your trade, the Hornets were taking in significantly more salary than they were sending out. This violates the CBA rules.

To adjust the trade you proposed, something like Nazr/DJ for Collison/Posey works (according to the CBA). This also might be more enticing to New Orleans, because they cut a lot of salary a lot faster.

The problem with that for me is that Posey is just another Diop. They make exactly the same amount of money, and if I recall correctly, last year Steve Martin made this comment about James Posey:
"He looks like he ate James Posey."

[Cats4lif3]

In your trade, the Hornets were taking in significantly more salary than they were sending out. This violates the CBA rules.

To adjust the trade you proposed, something like Nazr/DJ for Collison/Posey works (according to the CBA). This also might be more enticing to New Orleans, because they cut a lot of salary a lot faster.

The problem with that for me is that Posey is just another Diop. They make exactly the same amount of money, and if I recall correctly, last year Steve Martin made this comment about James Posey:
"He looks like he ate James Posey."

Thanks for that good info

[dav7z]

Who told you that information

I know a few guys who work in the organization . Who ask me what rumors are going on hear at Bobcatsplanet. They call me and tell me what they are hearing while asking what the fans hear are saying. Neither guy is in a position to make a desision . But they tell me what they are hearing.

Last things i heard was early this week.
1st its very unlikely Felton will be back.
2nd They said we was upgrading the point position. Mosy likely by trading a big. Who? no names was said.
3rd They said it was a 80% chance we would be active in the draft . Most likely early 2nd round. It wasnt said but implyed a need for a combo guard.


Being the thread it is Collison came to mind as a nice upgrade. And i just have a feeling White is a combo L Brown has his eye on.

[GoBobs]

sorry but

1) we won't sign Ray for as much as other teams will
2) I'm pretty sure collison can stretch the floor alot better then dj

Collison shot 46-119 last year from 3 for .400. Not bad at all for a rookie.

DJ as a rookie went 108-246 for an excellent .439. Last year DJ was 70-178. Not a great % but still a very respectable .393, only .007 less then Collison while sinking more overall shots. Also, it took Collison 2109 minutes to make 46 buckets while it only took DJ 1470 minutes to make 70 buckets.

[SWedd523]

I still don't understand why everybody soured on DJ so badly. Sure he had a down year, but this is still the same guy that (as a rookie) everybody was saying should take Ray's job right?

He played great as a rookie when given starter minutes. He played nicely even this year when given minutes. Give the kid a chance to show us what he can do. I have a feeling if he's given the starting spot, he'll open a lot of eyes on how good he can be

[Plowright]

Well the rumours you heard before sounds great to me :)

1) raymond not being back, great, upgrade at the point, great, Darren Collinson unbelievebly great.
2) trading the big would be Tyson maybs? Likes it in New orleans with CP3 him n oakafor at centre would be scary, or maybe TC at PF?
3) trading into the draft great!!! Mikhail Torrence is P-E-R-F-E-C-T ( have i mentiond him once or twice before?) lol

Love it when it appears an offseason is going to ones plan :)

[Cats4lif3]

Well the rumours you heard before sounds great to me :)

1) raymond not being back, great, upgrade at the point, great, Darren Collinson unbelievebly great.
2) trading the big would be Tyson maybs? Likes it in New orleans with CP3 him n oakafor at centre would be scary, or maybe TC at PF?
3) trading into the draft great!!! Mikhail Torrence is P-E-R-F-E-C-T ( have i mentiond him once or twice before?) lol

Love it when it appears an offseason is going to ones plan :)

I think we can all agree collison would be amazing I jst don't know if the FO has the stuff to make this happen I'd be fine with a dj and Chandler for Mek and collison but they can't retrade Tyson an mek right??

[BobCatsFanInTx]

Who do you think is gonna be our starting and backup point guard next season. Why do you think so an how will we get them.

I'd love to see what everyone thinks.RAYMOND FELTON!!! Hope you can stomach it because most likely Felton will remain a Bobcat and be the starter.

[Cats4lif3]

RAYMOND FELTON!!! Hope you can stomach it because most likely Felton will remain a Bobcat and be the starter.

If we can afford it and keep TT and stay under luxury tax I'm for Felton. But I'm pretty sure we can't afford him

[BobCatsFanInTx]

Don't expect a huge upgrade if any should someone take Feltons spot.

With that said I really don't see Felton leaving. If the Bobcats get rid of a pg it will be Augustine. I just don't see why the organization would throw Raymond under the bus for a poor playoffs considering most of the team had a poor playoffs.

Some of you are a trip with your fair weather support of a player who basically was the third best player on the Bobcats all year and who played a big role in the team making it's first playoffs.

I guess it is okay to speculate on whether Felton will be gone but for a lot of you it is a deep desire to see him go. There is no chance at an All Star pg coming to Charlotte this season or anytime soon. What is available will be either worse than Raymond, as bad/good or barely better. On a side note Collison has not done shit technically. He had a fairly good run as a starter but that is for less than half of one season. Not worth risking in my opinion.

Whatever you guys think though. I feel we need depth at sg and a post up pf or c more than we need to throw Raymond under the bus for a poor FIRST Playoff appearance.

[Cats4lif3]

It's not that I want Ray out I just don't think he will be here because of MONEY

now if Chandler would opt out I think we all can agree Felton will most likely be back.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

If we can afford it and keep TT and stay under luxury tax I'm for Felton. But I'm pretty sure we can't afford himBecause the league is kind of stupid I feel Raymond's value will be down quite a bit due to his poor playoffs. I don't see a lot of teams lining up to pay him more than our Bobcats can pay him. In my mind he will be resigned at a fair price. There just is not anybody who is an upgrade for our team. Why mortgage our future to get another PG when there is other positions we need to fill more?

I suppose if we can get a pg on the cheap that we are sure will be as good or better than Raymond it would be fine but I don't see that happening.

If our team can't get Felton to return or get a solid replacement at a decent price they are in trouble.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

It's not that I want Ray out I just don't think he will be here because of MONEY

now if Chandler would opt out I think we all can agree Felton will most likely be back.I am not talking about you so much as I am others who have really turned on Raymond. I get your point cats.

[Cats4lif3]

Because the league is kind of stupid I feel Raymond's value will be down quite a bit due to his poor playoffs. I don't see a lot of teams lining up to pay him more than our Bobcats can pay him. In my mind he will be resigned at a fair price. There just is not anybody who is an upgrade for our team. Why mortgage our future to get another PG when there is other positions we need to fill more?

I suppose if we can get a pg on the cheap that we are sure will be as good or better than Raymond it would be fine but I don't see that happening.

If our team can't get Felton to return or get a solid replacement at a decent price they are in trouble.

my concern is the teams that have money to blow, and may not land top free agents. Like the knicks they could possibly give him 10 mil a year if they don't get lebron wade or bosh

[millst2]

my concern is the teams that have money to blow, and may not land top free agents. Like the knicks they could possibly give him 10 mil a year if they don't get lebron wade or bosh

I see the knicks fucking themselves. I heard a commentator say that the knicks put themselves in a bind. All they have stated was that its lebron, lebron, lebron. And they stated that if they fail to get lebron then whoever they get will make it seem that they have settled.

But the knicks I do not have a doubt they will try and pursue Felton, they have made it clear they like him, and they could sign him and a Bosh, Amare combo. The knicks will be better for sure, I just hope we do as well.

I think Felton is gone, we can't match what he will get from another team. And if he knows the knicks or another team has the cap space to get him on board and 1-2 more allstars he may even take a backloaded deal to get that done taking less in yrs 1-2 and making more in 3-5

[westbrook08]

I'm not even sure the bobcat's know what to do yet.obviously ray's value should be down,but you might have some team who completely strikes out in free agency and has to overpay so there fans come away with something,or the market might be low and ray might have to tuck his tail between his legs and take a shitty contract.I think mj just wants to improve the team.we have 2 good expiring contracts that other teams would want in TC and Nazzi.Ray could also be used in a sign and trade,and by all accounts,it would seem we want to get into the draft,so if any combiation of what we have to work w/ makes the team better then we pull the trigger.I could certainly see ray re-signing cheaper than expected,and then us bringing in a cheap veteran and using dj in a trade with one of our expirings to get back a big and a point guard.Or if ray's gone i'm sure we could all envision a tj ford move,or some drastic LB move to get a veteran.I Personally think ray will re-sign,we bring in another veteran 3rd guy and after ray's BYC restrictions come off and we figure out what kind of team we have after this year,than either he or dj moves next year.But who knows.Go Cats!

[ND22]

The good news about all this speculation is that it could all be answered in 5 days. Honestly none of us really know what's going to happen which is why I'm glad the draft is coming up. Obviously nothing could happen draft night and we could end up exactly where we are now, but I have a feeling that we'll have at least a decent idea of where the team is headed with this issue.

[CatNation]

Allen Iverson

[spectre]

Allen Iverson

If your plan is to put guys out there who'd make me accept the impending TJ Ford acquisition it ain't working. :p

[Toocool]

TJ Ford as our starting PG. Perhaps we would be going back into the black days of McInnis or BK...bad bad suppressed memories *shudder*. Kidding, I wasn't even around during that era of McInnis or BK :biggrin:

[Ghost Kat]

Fuck TJ Ford, No thank you. I'll take Iversons crazy ass over Ford. I may just be hating for no reason, What what has TJ Ford done? DJ isn't a bad point guard. He's small yes, But it's not like he couldn't start on another team. No surprise but i'm perfectly fine with DJ as the starter.

[ziggy]

Allen Iverson

Dear Lord no :facepalm:

[LiquidWayno]

DJ is traded for picks and we sign Stephon Marbury and Rafer Alston as our PG's, draft Luke Harangody and a 7'1 PF from an Eastern European country who has never played organized ball before but has "lots of potential".

Sorry for the sarcasm, being a Bobcats fan for all these years has taught me to prepare for the worst in front office/draft night moves.

[Ghost Kat]

Muggsy please come out of retirement

[Chef]

DJ is traded for picks and we sign Stephon Marbury and Rafer Alston as our PG's, draft Luke Harangody and a 7'1 PF from an Eastern European country who has never played organized ball before but has "lots of potential".

Sorry for the sarcasm, being a Bobcats fan for all these years has taught me to prepare for the worst in front office/draft night moves.

at this point i declare my fan free agency and ship out to okc