View Full Version : My realistic Prediction of the Bobcats' offseason
SirBobcat
06-17-2010, 03:40 PM
Plan 1: Trade Nazr Mohammed to Minnesota for Kevin Love and Ramon Sessions.
Why for Charlotte? Obviously, it's turning an expiring contract for two players that you know will contribute to the Charlotte Bobcats. Love is a fantastic rebounder and very solid scorer. He would certainly be a better starting option than any Center we have on the roster (yes i'm aware he's a PF). Sessions would provide that combo guard role that Flip Murray did last year before he was traded off. While Murray is a better shooter, Sessions is a better distributor which makes him more valuable to Larry Brown.
Why for Minnesota? They obviously can't find a role in their team for Love and Sessions. The team is desperate for freeing up money; this deal accomplishes that. Sessions hasn't meshed with the new guys they want to roll with, mainly Flynn, so getting rid of this contract would be beneficial for their plan. I don't know why Minnesota doesn't want to play Love, but one man's trash is another person's treasure.
Plan 2: Resign Felton for the best deal you can give for both parties.
Plan 3: Resign Ratliff and Hughes to vet minimum as they're cheap bodies.
C- Love/Chandler/Ratliff
PF- Diaw/Thomas
SF- Wallace/Hughes
SG- Jackson/Henderson
PG- Felton/Augustin/Sessions
IR- Ajinca/Diop/Brown
Did you really think this offseason was going to be very big?
5 BIG Things They Won't Do
1. They're NOT trading Boris Diaw
2. Tyson Chandler is NOT going to opt out of his almost 13 million dollar expiring contract. That's just ridiculous!
3. They're NOT going to let Felton or Thomas walk.
4. Tyrus Thomas is NOT going to start over Boris Diaw (even though Thomas is better than Boris)
5. We're NOT going to go crazy and deal a bunch of players
*** DISCLAIMER: Obviously that deal might not happen. But, what I mean is that we're going to make a deal similar to that to try and add talent. In this day in the NBA, expiring contracts are very valuable. I feel Minnesota would make that deal, but I wouldn't be shocked if it was another team. I looked into Minnesota's situation and read articles relating to Love and Sessions and I feel that they're expendable considering Minnesota's new vision.***
Cats4lif3
06-17-2010, 04:02 PM
That's not realistic at all
spectre
06-17-2010, 04:06 PM
I would love for that to happen, but I have doubts Minny would bite on that trade. They only have 31 million on the books for next season (assuming DX didn't cut one of their players)...so I doubt they're desperate to cut salary.
Muttley
06-17-2010, 04:07 PM
Love/Sessions<->Nazr (or a similar trade) doesn't seem to me like something another team would do just for cap-space or future cap-space.
Also, if we did get Sessions, or a similar caliber point guard, would we still resign Raymond? I would think that that would be all the reason the FO would need to not extend a contract offer to Ray.
SirBobcat
06-17-2010, 04:07 PM
Right, and trading Boris Diaw, Diop, and others is realistic? Who in the NBA would take on Diop and Diaw's contracts unless we took back an even worse contract? Realistically, we're not making much of an impact besides a deal with one of our expirings (more realistically Mohammed than Chandler)
You all seem to think we're going to pull a bunch of trades and that's just not happening! We're probably going to make one deal and then sign our own to contracts, qualifying offers, and minimum deals. This is going to be another boring offseason whether you want to accept it now or deny, then find out later that we're going to end up doing a whole lot of nothing.
Cats4lif3
06-17-2010, 04:10 PM
Right, and trading Boris Diaw, Diop, and others is realistic? Who in the NBA would take on Diop and Diaw's contracts unless we took back an even worse contract? Realistically, we're not making much of an impact besides a deal with one of our expirings (more realistically Mohammed than Chandler)
You all seem to think we're going to pull a bunch of trades and that's just not happening! We're probably going to make one deal and then sign our own to contracts, qualifying offers, and minimum deals. This is going to be another boring offseason whether you want to accept it now or deny, then find out later that we're going to end up doing a whole lot of nothing.
No trading neither Boris diop or nazr is realistic for love and sessions
More realistic for our front office:heinrich,ford or mo
SirBobcat
06-17-2010, 04:12 PM
Love/Sessions<->Nazr (or a similar trade) doesn't seem to me like something another team would do just for cap-space or future cap-space.
Also, if we did get Sessions, or a similar caliber point guard, would we still resign Raymond? I would think that that would be all the reason the FO would need to not extend a contract offer to Ray.
For Minnesota, they more than likely would. Hell, they started Darko Milicic over Kevin Love...that says a lot considering Love is averaging a double double and he's not even getting 30 minutes a night! As for Sessions, they've tried to team him with Flynn and they're just not working out together. Out of the two, who is Minnesota more than likely going to package out of town? Sessions.
Muttley, I had that same thought about Sessions and relating it to Felton. I think we'd still keep Felton. I think the plan no matter what is to keep Felton and we're going to make a very solid effort to bringing him back. I just would be shocked if we didn't see Raymond Felton back on a long term deal for the Charlotte Bobcats.
spectre
06-17-2010, 04:14 PM
Right, and trading Boris Diaw, Diop, and others is realistic? Who in the NBA would take on Diop and Diaw's contracts unless we took back an even worse contract? Realistically, we're not making much of an impact besides a deal with one of our expirings (more realistically Mohammed than Chandler)
You answered your own question. In the only credible deal with Gana & Boris I've seen we were taking back Hedo's terrible contract.
No need to take offense. For the most part I liked your scenario.
For Minnesota, they more than likely would. Hell, they started Darko Milicic over Kevin Love...that says a lot considering Love is averaging a double double and he's not even getting 30 minutes a night! As for Sessions, they've tried to team him with Flynn and they're just not working out together. Out of the two, who is Minnesota more than likely going to package out of town? Sessions.
You don't think they could get better than Nazr? Kevin Love was a 5th overall pick, and the reason he was behind Darko was because of fit with AL Jeff. They also don't need expirings.
Besides, the rumors have them preferring to move Al Jeff over Love.
It'd be awesome for you to be right, but I don't see it.
SirBobcat
06-17-2010, 04:19 PM
No trading neither Boris diop or nazr is realistic for love and sessions
More realistic for our front office:heinrich,ford or mo
Why don't you enlighten me on what you think is going to happen? Because I just find it hard to believe we'll be looking for a starting point guard when Felton is going to be resigned. We're certainly not going to bring aboard a 8 plus million dollar PG when we're bringing Felton back and we're not going to invest around 14 to 16+ million dollars in point guard money this season. I'm curious what you think is going to happen because it's just different than what I think.
spectre
06-17-2010, 04:25 PM
SirBobcat...here's the issue in a nutshell:
We're right at the luxury tax right now with Tyrus accepting the qualifying offer.
Re-signing Felton ADDS to our salary and puts us over the LT.
Trading for another PG regardless of what he's making keeps our salary neutral.
In order to stay under the self mandated line it appears the FO is looking to go the latter route even if it weakens another position.
That's what it's looking like anyway. I don't like it, but such is life.
Muttley
06-17-2010, 04:25 PM
For Minnesota, they more than likely would. Hell, they started Darko Milicic over Kevin Love...that says a lot considering Love is averaging a double double and he's not even getting 30 minutes a night! As for Sessions, they've tried to team him with Flynn and they're just not working out together. Out of the two, who is Minnesota more than likely going to package out of town? Sessions.
Muttley, I had that same thought about Sessions and relating it to Felton. I think we'd still keep Felton. I think the plan no matter what is to keep Felton and we're going to make a very solid effort to bringing him back. I just would be shocked if we didn't see Raymond Felton back on a long term deal for the Charlotte Bobcats.
I see what you're saying. I'm of the mind that says that we'll mostly stand pat this offseason. However, that's not stopping me from speculating (for conversation's sake) on what kind of trades could be.
I'm still not sure about Felton's re-signing, because he turned down the offer last year, the cap implications, and the competition from other teams to sign him. I would not be entirely shocked by the team going either way on him (unless the contract is something absurd). I wanna say that I think it's almost as likely that Demarcus Nelson will be on the team next year as it is that Ray returns.
SirBobcat
06-17-2010, 04:27 PM
You answered your own question. In the only credible deal with Gana & Boris I've seen we were taking back Hedo's terrible contract.
No need to take offense. For the most part I liked your scenario.
There's no offense on my part...just discussing. I question the validity of the Hedo rumors because I don't think Michael Jordan bought the team to take on even worse contracts than the deals he has now. I just question that, in this market, we're going to find someone this year to take on the contracts of Diop and Diaw without being killed with contracts that I don't feel Michael wants to be strapped with.
You don't think they could get better than Nazr? Kevin Love was a 5th overall pick, and the reason he was behind Darko was because of fit with AL Jeff. They also don't need expirings.
Besides, the rumors have them preferring to move Al Jeff over Love.
It'd be awesome for you to be right, but I don't see it.
That's the question of the day. Not the idea of them wanting to deal both guys away for expiring deals, but whether or not Nazr is the best contract they could acquire to make the deal.
I don't know honestly, but I do know we'll be looking to send one of our expiring contracts for some players that can be huge contributors on the 2010/2011 Charlotte Bobcats roster. I also hope it happens as I really like Love and Sessions, but it's just a matter of whether Minnesota can't find a better offer.
I just took a stab thinking it might be this deal, but like I said in my disclaimer, this might not be the exact deal, but I feel that's the kind of deal we're looking to make in this market. We have 2 pieces that are valuable league wide and it might supersede the normal value in a deal.
Cats4lif3
06-17-2010, 04:27 PM
Why don't you enlighten me on what you think is going to happen? Because I just find it hard to believe we'll be looking for a starting point guard when Felton is going to be resigned. We're certainly not going to bring aboard a 8 plus million dollar PG when we're bringing Felton back and we're not going to invest around 14 to 16+ million dollars in point guard money this season. I'm curious what you think is going to happen because it's just different than what I think.
Well when the owner has already said we were going to upgrade the position it kind of hinted Felton wa out but I maybe wrong. And it's the NBA no one knows what's going to happen. But if I had to take a REALISTIC guess I'd say we bring in one or two second rounders mos likely a pg and pf and then they trade for pg, most likely a vet and most likely they will sign flip or Larry.
One of these teams who can sign multiple free agents could easily bring in Ray for 10 mil a year if they dnt get a big name. And mj can and won't matchit.
SirBobcat
06-17-2010, 04:33 PM
Well when the owner has already said we were going to upgrade the position it kind of hinted Felton wa out but I maybe wrong. And it's the NBA no one knows what's going to happen. But if I had to take a REALISTIC guess I'd say we bring in one or two second rounders mos likely a pg and pf and then they trade for pg, most likely a vet and most likely they will sign flip or Larry.
One of these teams who can sign multiple free agents could easily bring in Ray for 10 mil a year if they dnt get a big name. And mj can and won't matchit.
If Felton isn't brought back, then I see your point. I'm speculating Felton is coming back and thus is the big reason why I feel this is the route we'd go to.
I think Felton isn't coming back, just the vibe I got from Rod Higgins' comments, so I think the more likely situation is trading for a PG. And I don't see the Wolves trading Love and Sessions for Nazr, they're a team with a good young nucleus wanting to get better and acquiring Nazr does not make them better.
Toocool
06-18-2010, 01:14 AM
Love and Sessions? Wolves wouldn't bite for that. I see them shopping Jefferson, not Love and Sessions.
murphman
06-18-2010, 09:31 AM
Love and Sessions? Wolves wouldn't bite for that. I see them shopping Jefferson, not Love and Sessions.
Rumor has it that Minny has been shopping (or at least putting out feelers) Jefferson but teams are very nervous about that rehabed knee and that remaining contract.
Of course, looking at his 2010 stats, one would think those fears would calm down but I guess not.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2389
ammofan
06-18-2010, 10:10 AM
Rumor has it that Minny has been shopping (or at least putting out feelers) Jefferson but teams are very nervous about that rehabed knee and that remaining contract.
Of course, looking at his 2010 stats, one would think those fears would calm down but I guess not.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2389
He's better on one knee than Diaw
He's better on one knee than Diaw
Diaw is better on two knees...if you get what I mean...
ammofan
06-18-2010, 04:50 PM
diaw is better on two knees...if you get what i mean...
hahahahahhahahhaahhaahha :D
mrtarheel
06-18-2010, 09:00 PM
My thought is if they are offering Al Jefferson and in need of a center Chandler will get it done. Maybe a sign and trade of Ray and Chandler for Al and Sessions. They still have Rubio might be the hangup by getting a pg but maybe a 3 way would work adding NY giving them Ray and they send Lee to Minny.
kickazzz2000
06-18-2010, 11:35 PM
http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2010/06/bobcats-busy-on-trade-front.html
Cats4lif3
06-18-2010, 11:43 PM
Ahhh music to my ears! But if they are trying to get al now it's not for Chandler. Maybe diaw and nazr?? That would be amazing!!! Al and Chandler together makes us a contender I believe post d and o
ammofan
06-19-2010, 01:37 AM
http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2010/06/bobcats-busy-on-trade-front.html
That makes me excited! haha
Can anyone else really feel that Hedo trade coming very soon now?
spectre
06-19-2010, 07:17 AM
Jefferson In Demand (http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=16511#ixzz0rEszgA2c)
In talking to a number of league sources in the run-up to the draft, HOOPSWORLD keeps hearing one name, in particular, involving possible draft day trades. We've heard plenty of rumors involving Minnesota Timberwolves forward Al Jefferson, and it turns out that where there's smoke there is definitely fire. Quite a few teams have indicated that Al Jefferson is one of their primary targets this summer.
(http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=16494) The issue, of course, is that the Timberwolves really have two starting power forwards. Jefferson was acquired in the trade that sent Kevin Garnett to Boston, but the team subsequently drafted Kevin Love, and Love appears to have all-star potential at the four. He's a better rebounder and as good a scorer as Jefferson, but he has the added ability of hitting the three and he's vastly better at the free throw line. The team tried starting Love and Jefferson together a few times last season, but that didn't yield the wins, so it appears the Wolves will cash in Jefferson and slide Love into the starter's role.
(http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=16494) The challenge for Timberwolves GM David Kahn and his team will be finding just the right deal. Several teams believe a draft day deal could get the deal done, and that the Timberwolves have targeted a player near the top of the draft as their ideal piece. Given their need for a center - Darko Milicic is saying he's finished with the NBA and Ryan Hollins is inconsistent - the Wolves could use Sacramento's fifth overall pick to land a player like Greg Monroe from Georgetown. Jefferson would be an upgrade over Jason Thompson, meaning the Kings could send him out and land another piece for their long-term puzzle.
The Timberwolves also need an upgrade at the guard spots, where Jonny Flynn and Ramon Sessions both look like good back-up point guards and Corey Brewer also looks like he would be better served as a back-up shooting guard. Unlike last year, however, the 2010 draft class is not incredibly deep in talented guards.
Still, there are plenty of teams looking to make moves on draft day, and it sounds like Jefferson might be the biggest name that gets moved as part of the annual draft party. There are certainly a lot of teams saying they have had conversations with the Timberwolves about acquiring him.
^ That guy thinks Jonny Flynn is a backup point guard? 13.5 ppg and 4.4 ast is not bad for a rookie pg playing for the T-Wolves IMO.
As for Jefferson, I wonder if the Kings would still be interested him now that they have Dalembert. I know Jefferson is a PF, but taking on both their contracts is pretty heavy. Anyways, I'm interested to see if we are one of the teams interested in Jefferson.
how realistic is this, based on the assumption that boston wants to rebuild/dump salary. it is a huge risk for us, but can sure up our pf position for hopefully 2 of his 3 last years.
we trade diop or nazr (hopefully diop but more likely it would take nazr) and boris to the celtics for kg.
why we do it: if we can get 2 seasons out of kg it is worth it. he would fit like a glove in larry brown's system.
why they do it: if it is nazr, saves them 6 mil next year (plus he expires this year: tradeable) and boris expires in 2 saving them over 18 mil in year 3.
of course they would have to have other moves in the works to justify this move to their fans.
Cats4lif3
06-19-2010, 11:27 PM
how realistic is this, based on the assumption that boston wants to rebuild/dump salary. it is a huge risk for us, but can sure up our pf position for hopefully 2 of his 3 last years.
we trade diop or nazr (hopefully diop but more likely it would take nazr) and boris to the celtics for kg.
why we do it: if we can get 2 seasons out of kg it is worth it. he would fit like a glove in larry brown's system.
why they do it: if it is nazr, saves them 6 mil next year (plus he expires this year: tradeable) and boris expires in 2 saving them over 18 mil in year 3.
of course they would have to have other moves in the works to justify this move to their fans.
I'd much rather trade those two for al Jefferson
I'd much rather trade those two for al Jefferson
the problem with the whole jefferson thing is, it won't happen in a million years. kg might in a thousand. jefferson may be hurt and his stock may be low, but minny doesn't have to trade him and will get much more for him than salary relief. we aren't getting jefferson. we don't have the assets.
Cats4lif3
06-19-2010, 11:48 PM
the problem with the whole jefferson thing is, it won't happen in a million years. kg might in a thousand. jefferson may be hurt and his stock may be low, but minny doesn't have to trade him and will get much more for him than salary relief. we aren't getting jefferson. we don't have the assets.
I unfortuantly agree
does anyone have any ideas who bobcats FO might be in trade talks for?
ammofan
06-20-2010, 01:15 AM
I unfortuantly agree
does anyone have any ideas who bobcats FO might be in trade talks for?
Thats what I want to know.
Toocool
06-20-2010, 01:15 AM
I unfortuantly agree
does anyone have any ideas who bobcats FO might be in trade talks for?
TJ "fail" Ford. :facepalm:
TJ "fail" Ford. :facepalm:
And Hidayet Turkoglu.
mrtarheel
06-20-2010, 12:45 PM
Don't count Al Jefferson out MJ has something up his sleeve and if he can get Big Al to go along with Jax, Crash and Chandler we become the Celtics, well close to it. We then need to send Dj out in a package with Diop to get some relief maybe to Sac for Thompson and maybe Udrih. Sign free agents Flip and Gooden
Felts, Udrih, Flip
Jax, Hendo, Graham
Crash, Ups,
Al, Thomas, Ajinca
Chandler, Thompson, Gooden
MJ knows he has to make money and put a contender on the floor to get the people to come out so what better way than to get an all star caliber player even thou his is coming back from surgery a year ago. LB likes players that can play multiple positions and with that lineup we have pf that play c and c's that can play pf. Win Win situation. Make it happen MJ
Don't count Al Jefferson out MJ has something up his sleeve and if he can get Big Al to go along with Jax, Crash and Chandler we become the Celtics, well close to it. We then need to send Dj out in a package with Diop to get some relief maybe to Sac for Thompson and maybe Udrih. Sign free agents Flip and Gooden
Felts, Udrih, Flip
Jax, Hendo, Graham
Crash, Ups,
Al, Thomas, Ajinca
Chandler, Thompson, Gooden
MJ knows he has to make money and put a contender on the floor to get the people to come out so what better way than to get an all star caliber player even thou his is coming back from surgery a year ago. LB likes players that can play multiple positions and with that lineup we have pf that play c and c's that can play pf. Win Win situation. Make it happen MJ
i know mj is "black jesus" but this is truly turning water into wine
Scottley Crue
06-20-2010, 04:31 PM
Al Jefferson is a nice player, but I'm "curious" at best if he can guard quick, athletic 4's. I haven't really got the impression he can do that, but I could be wrong. He'd certainly bring the post offense we need, but I'd wonder how much the defesne would suffer because of it.
Cats4lif3
06-20-2010, 08:46 PM
It may jst be my hopes in the way but I truly bleieve mj is either going after Jefferson or collison I think he's trying to put a contender together!
mrtarheel
06-21-2010, 07:47 PM
With Crash and Chandler playing with Al defense will be the last worry. Crash has off the ball defense and Chandler has the redirect at the basket.
BETCATS
06-21-2010, 11:28 PM
TJ "fail" Ford. :facepalm:
This is the story of every off season since TJ was put on the trading block by the Bucks.
Anyway, i still expect us to trade for either Elton Brand or Al Jefferson, i am guessing Raymond is gone if someone wants to overpay him, i would say it is a safe bet if he leaves TJ Ford is his replacement, the return of Flip Murray could be something more than a pipe dream, the depature of Tyson Chandler could fall into that same catogoery, Darius Miles will not make the team even though it would be awesome if he did, Tyrus Thomas will either become our future or part of our past, Larry will make a firm choice to stay then leave right after he announces it, Boris Diaw will purge on crêpes, and our big free agent signing will be ...... Sean Mothafuxing May.
I would ask if anyone has missed me but i already know the 2 letter answer to that.
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