Pre-draft and trade rumors

[dnbman]

Post them here.

I'd also love to see Bobcat related stuff from ESPN insider summarized. Chad Ford says he has a lot of gossip in his current blog. (When does he not say that, though?)

[Dustin Phifer]

I like this thread you put up because there is a lot of rumors going around right now. I just started to write for Bobcatsplanet.com about a couple of weeks ago and have really enjoyed it. And it was a good time to start writing because it is a very very busy offseason for the Bobcats. As far as rumors going around now the Bobcats are in a lot of trade talks. Not only to get rid of cap but to also try to make this team better. One source has said that Jordan is willing to take on more money if it will siginificantly improve this team. I like to hear that because it shows me that Jordan is really serious about putting a winner on the court. I will have an article up soon talking more in detail about this.

[jdsingar]

I just skimmed through Chad Ford's Insider Blog and it doesn't seem like there is anything Bobcats related in there. The main trade points are concerning teams with draft picks trying to make moves.

The Charlotte Observer did say that there appears to be some activity within the organization concerning a trade. I would be surprised if there wasn't a trade, honestly. I have gotten used to seeing big trades (JRich, S-Jax) occur as the organization makes strides of improvement.

I'd be content if no major moves were made, but if they can come up with some creative ways to make the team better it would be welcomed.

[TyHill]

Just a small article on MJs intentions pre draft.
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/37832491/ns/sports-nba/

"CHARLOTTE, N.C. - The Charlotte Bobcatshttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif (http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/37832491/ns/sports-nba/#) are talking with teams about either purchasing a pick or making a trade that would yield selections in Thursday's NBA draft.Coach Larry Brown said Monday that several teams are looking to give up picks. The Michael Jordan-owned Bobcats don't own a selection in either the first or second round.
"Michael might buy a draft pick. I don't know," Brown said. "We might be able to move a contract to get a draft pick. I don't know. It might be a trade involved that could do that. You better be aware of the talent and what value you have on a pick."

[ammofan]

I only want a 2nd rounder if we can trade for it. Buying it is stupid financially becasue I heard it costs near 1.5 millie for one pick. No 2nd rd. player is worth that unless another DaJuan Blair falls.

[DY_nasty]

I only want a 2nd rounder if we can trade for it. Buying it is stupid financially becasue I heard it costs near 1.5 millie for one pick. No 2nd rd. player is worth that unless another DaJuan Blair falls.
Its only bad when the owner feels it bad. Some owners have no problems handing out a million just to move up 10 spots in the 2nd round (like Portland just did today). Others, like Phoenix's bastard of an owner, will sell every pick they can. Its a preference thing... 1.5 mill in cash isn't hurting some people. And its not like the 1.5 mil is added on to the cap either - its a literal purchase. Not only that, but if you want to purchase the pick, draft a player, then trade that player in a deal with someone else, you could actually make a profit in the same night. Thats where people got the whole 'pritchslapped' term from.

All that being said, I'm not too certain as to why Portland dropped 1 mil on moving up 10 spots with the warriors of all people. It may have been a 'quick' move in order to get something out of GS's ownership before the team changed hands. Or its Paul Allen's money giving the finger to the rest of the league again. Either way, it sets an outlandish starting price for draft picks if other teams made deals based off of that.

[SWedd523]

According to RealGM, the Pacers are considering trading their 10th pick for a PG, so let's revisit my previous trade. They obviously want out of TJ Ford's contract as he's fell out of favor with the franchise.


S&T Raymond Felton + Nazr Mohammed + Cash considerations

for

TJ Ford + Roy Hibbert + 10th pick


TJ/Flip/DJ
Jack/Flip/Gerald
Crash/UPS
Boris/Tyrus/Lexy
Tyson/Hibbert/Diop


That 10th pick could be used in a couple of different ways:

1. PF/C Greg Monroe (if he falls) has the exact same skillset as Boris, complete with the passive stereotype :rolleyes: and would give LB all sorts of wet dreams with his ability to work in the high and low post

2. SG/SF Xavier Henry played a complementary role at Kansas and excelled with his ability to shoot off the catch and dribble who also plays tough defense. He would make Jack expendable for a shorter contract/younger player while also possibly making Diaw's whiny ass happy.

3. PF Patrick Patterson is a ready-to-contribute player who was great both before and after Calipari came to town. Workaholic who has improved every year. He makes Boris and Tyrus expendable



Other options: SF/PF Al-Farouq Aminu, SG/SF Paul George, PF/C Ekpe Udoh, C Cole Aldrich, SG/PG Avery Bradley

[ammofan]

Its only bad when the owner feels it bad. Some owners have no problems handing out a million just to move up 10 spots in the 2nd round (like Portland just did today). Others, like Phoenix's bastard of an owner, will sell every pick they can. Its a preference thing... 1.5 mill in cash isn't hurting some people. And its not like the 1.5 mil is added on to the cap either - its a literal purchase. Not only that, but if you want to purchase the pick, draft a player, then trade that player in a deal with someone else, you could actually make a profit in the same night. Thats where people got the whole 'pritchslapped' term from.

All that being said, I'm not too certain as to why Portland dropped 1 mil on moving up 10 spots with the warriors of all people. It may have been a 'quick' move in order to get something out of GS's ownership before the team changed hands. Or its Paul Allen's money giving the finger to the rest of the league again. Either way, it sets an outlandish starting price for draft picks if other teams made deals based off of that.

I can see what your saying, but In this draft, I dont see enough value to really worry about getting a pick. But, if MJ wants to then sure go buy one!

[teej]

S&T Raymond Felton + Nazr Mohammed + Cash considerations

for

TJ Ford + Roy Hibbert + 10th pick


TJ/Flip/DJ
Jack/Flip/Gerald
Crash/UPS
Boris/Tyrus/Lexy
Tyson/Hibbert/Diop



I would cream my pants if we did that.

[Cats4lif3]

That would be amazing!! What are your guys thoughts on buying atls pick and drafting Eric blesoe?

[ammofan]

I would cream my pants if we did that.

me too! But how do we sign and trade felts on draft night?

[Plowright]

Draft express said that Portland traded the pick to get Trevor brooker.. sorry guys, i know some of to move ahead of u wanted him, guess we wud have to move above that pick

[teej]

me too! But how do we sign and trade felts on draft night?

It'd be an agreement like what the Hawks and Grizz did in '01, when they traded Shareef Abdur-Rahim for the 3rd pick basically. Indy would pick the 10th for us, then when we could trade it'd become official.

We'd have to get Ray to agree to it though.

[kickazzz2000]

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/67332/20100621/teams_trying_to_trade_for_chris_paul/

[dnbman]

Guys, the last couple of years we've had threads get really confusing on what the rumors were versus fan created trades. Let's put all of the made up scenarios in the "one move" or other threads and keep this thread just for press collected rumors. Thanks!

[Cats4lif3]

me too! But how do we sign and trade felts on draft night?

If it's possible let's do it hibbert and the pick are worth it without tj!!

[SWedd523]

Guys, the last couple of years we've had threads get really confusing on what the rumors were versus fan created trades. Let's put all of the made up scenarios in the "one move" or other threads and keep this thread just for press collected rumors. Thanks!

Well we've been rumored to be trading for TJ for 3 years now, with last year being nearly a done deal with DJ. RealGM also posted that they are looking into dealing their 10th pick for a PG. We've also been rumored to be hugely active on the trade front, especially for a pick.

So I sort of put 2 and 2 together figuring we'd be one of the many teams talking to them about that pick and what the logical trade would be. Too much conjecture I guess? :g:

[dnbman]

Well we've been rumored to be trading for TJ for 3 years now, with last year being nearly a done deal with DJ. RealGM also posted that they are looking into dealing their 10th pick for a PG. We've also been rumored to be hugely active on the trade front, especially for a pick.

So I sort of put 2 and 2 together figuring we'd be one of the many teams talking to them about that pick and what the logical trade would be. Too much conjecture I guess? :g:

No, that's cool. But let's do it in another thread so that we can keep actual press created rumors separate from our scenarios and conjecture. Ideally, this thread stays lean and link focused and the other threads are used for discussion.

[spectre]

Be kind of hard to S&T Felton before the draft (or even have an agreement where they draft for us) since we're not allowed to talk to Felton or his agent til July 1st.

...but Hibbert AND the 10th pick? I thought y'all were saying Felton's lost value!

Sorry DNB...first and last off topic.

[dnbman]

Be kind of hard to S&T Felton before the draft (or even have an agreement where they draft for us) since we're not allowed to talk to Felton or his agent til July 1st.

...but Hibbert AND the 10th pick? I thought y'all were saying Felton's lost value!

Sorry DNB...first and last off topic.

Doses of reality are always welcome. Not to mention, I play favorites and you are one of them.

(Swedd on the other hand... anything I can do to get this guy out of my threads....)

[teej]

(Swedd on the other hand... anything I can do to get this guy out of my threads....)

I know, right?

:biggrin:

[SWedd523]

Doses of reality are always welcome. Not to mention, I play favorites and you are one of them.

(Swedd on the other hand... anything I can do to get this guy out of my threads....)

Seeeee yaaaaa

[dnbman]

Seeeee yaaaaa

Swedd, don't go away mad.







Just go away!


By the way, are you in Soda City for the summer?

[SWedd523]

Don't you talk to me you big meany! :mad:









No, I don't have anywhere to live as my apartment isn't open until 8/15

[GoBobs]

We keep hearing all this noise about how the Bobcats are going to get a pick by the draft but does it seem to anybody else like all the guys we have been working out so far won't be drafted.

[dnbman]

We keep hearing all this noise about how the Bobcats are going to get a pick by the draft but does it seem to anybody else like all the guys we have been working out so far won't be drafted.

I'm guessing they're getting enough of an idea from what they're hearing and seeing about other workouts. I don't know if it would make financial sense to workout a bunch of guys that could go anywhere in the first if we don't even have a pick.

Good question though.

[teej]

Caracter, Booker, Torrence, and a few others are likely high 2nd rounders.

[dav7z]

This Crawford guy kinda looks like a option , Some of the others should get invites to the summer league.
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/06/21/1515831/big-names-on-outside-looking-in.html

[SirBobcat]

If they're going to buy or trade for a pick, it will be to get a big guy who can defend and rebound against bigger post players like Dwight Howard; Solomon Alabi is still there he would be ideal, but I doubt he'd be there in the very late 1st/early 2nd.

[DY_nasty]

I think this postseason has proved that as long as a team has at least one strong 6'10 goon, they can frustrate Dwight Howard and completely remove him from a game mentally. Heck, as long as we've got Theo and Diop we can remove him from a series just like we did last year. Howard's got a long ways to go before he's to the point where teams need to make roster adjustments with him in mind.

[Chef]

I think this postseason has proved that as long as a team has at least one strong 6'10 goon, they can frustrate Dwight Howard and completely remove him from a game mentally. Heck, as long as we've got Theo and Diop we can remove him from a series just like we did last year. Howard's got a long ways to go before he's to the point where teams need to make roster adjustments with him in mind.

agreed, if we buy a draft pick we need to make it a shooter or t. booker.

[spectre]

I think this postseason has proved that as long as a team has at least one strong 6'10 goon, they can frustrate Dwight Howard and completely remove him from a game mentally. Heck, as long as we've got Theo and Diop we can remove him from a series just like we did last year. Howard's got a long ways to go before he's to the point where teams need to make roster adjustments with him in mind.

Maybe.

I thought Tyson did a very good job on Dwight when he tried to post up. Nazr (not a goon by any stretch) nor Theo had as good a consistent showing IMO. There was a couple of 2nd half starts I was screaming for LB to replace Theo with TC.

Drtg Playoffs

TC - 107
Nazr - 111
Theo - 111

I don't know what their respective opponents' PER is for the playoffs (82games doesn't have that up yet).

[K1NGofAKR0N]

get pacers 10th pick. then draft xavier henry, avery bradley or gordon hayward. simple as that

[Plowright]

If only it was as simple as that :p

[Plowright]

http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/web_100622.html?ls=iref:nbahpt2

Very interesting, DJ maybe involved for a trade for the pacers 10th pick

[WarioVsMooChicken]

DJ + NAZR for the 10th and Ford?

I'd hit it

[teej]

DJ + NAZR for the 10th and Ford?

I'd hit it

Agreed.

10char

[spectre]

That has fueled speculation Bird will try to leverage the No. 10 pick in a deal to acquire a long-term solution at the point, a position that has been something of a revolving-door in recent years. The Pacers have been linked in published reports with Minnesota (Jonny Flynn), San Antonio (George Hill), New Orleans (Darren Collison), Charlotte (D.J. Augustin) and Denver (Ty Lawson). I'll be the dissenting vote. I'd rather have DJ starting than TJ Ford and since we can't draft for crap I'd just as soon have Nazr (or cap relief) over the pick. To me the 10th certainly isn't worth the difference between DJ plus Nazr.

Get Murphy/Boris swap involved then I might can get on board.

BTW:


The overwhelming theme was clear though, in comparison to recent years this draft class isn't nearly as strong.
"History says it won't be as good this year," said one general manager picking in the bottom half of the first round. "These things go in cycles."
Of the six executives I spoke to, not one categorized this year's draft class as above average. I asked each to describe the class as above average, par or sub par.
Over the last six weeks, three responded with "sub par."


Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/67346/20100622/gms_see_2010_as_down_year_for_draft/##ixzz0rbMdPj6I

[CatNation]

I dunno why theyd want DJ for 10 when Minny was offering that much better package with flynn

[dnbman]

I dunno why theyd want DJ for 10 when Minny was offering that much better package with flynn

That Minnesota trade made zero sense to me. The Timberwolves are a ship without a rudder. That's the guy that ruined Rubio for them. Is it possible you turn two high draft picks in a good draft into the 10th pick in a poor one?


On a different note, Tyrus is saying he wants to be here:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5314994

[K1NGofAKR0N]

tyrus also jsut said he wants to stay and sign long term deal with cats. hes better than any pick we could trade for. make this a priority. forget felton

[Cats4lif3]

http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/web_100622.html?ls=iref:nbahpt2

Very interesting, DJ maybe involved for a trade for the pacers 10th pick

Pull the trigger! I hear minnesota wants the 10th pick trade it and diaw for al Jefferson

[murphman]

tyrus also jsut said he wants to stay and sign long term deal with cats. hes better than any pick we could trade for. make this a priority. forget felton

I hear you but his market value is completely up in the air. Best to extend him the QO and see if any team makes him an offer. We can always match if reasonable. Or if no offer comes, we can make an offer of 4-5 million per and see if he bites.

[spectre]

Pull the trigger! I hear minnesota wants the 10th pick trade it and diaw for al Jefferson

Now we're talking!

If we could turn DJ/Nazr into Ford/10th and then swap Boris/10th for Al Jeff I'm all sorts of down.

One year of TJ wouldn't be all bad would it?

[teej]

On a different note, Tyrus is saying he wants to be here:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5314994

Excellent news. My biggest worry with him was that he'd be unhappy here.

What is it about Charlotte that makes everyone want to stay? Or really the Carolinas. All the Panthers are loyal (except Peppers), all the Hurricanes are loyal, and so far the 'Cats have been loyal.

[spectre]

On a different note, Tyrus is saying he wants to be here:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5314994

Excellent find man!

That's good news. There's been very minor opinionating (that a word?) that he was looking to get out of Charlotte, so it's nice to see that debunked.

I wonder if LB being here made a difference?

[Cats4lif3]

Now we're talking!

If we could turn DJ/Nazr into Ford/10th and then swap Boris/10th for Al Jeff I'm all sorts of down.

One year of TJ wouldn't be all bad would it?

He'll be like felts 2 years ago ehh all he had to do was dish it to mek.

[teej]

Semi-related:




Ratliff's future uncertain: Ratliff, the shot-blocking, free-agent forward who finished last season with the Charlotte Bobcats, said he doesn't know whether he'll be back with the team next season.
"It's something I'm not really even thinking about right now," he said. "I'm trying to enjoy my summer and working with my kids and different things of that nature. They've said that they would like me back, and it's something I will definitely look at."

[murphman]

Now we're talking!

If we could turn DJ/Nazr into Ford/10th and then swap Boris/10th for Al Jeff I'm all sorts of down.

One year of TJ wouldn't be all bad would it?

Problem is that we would be giving up 18.4 mil in salary and taking on 21.5 mil. Plus we would have to fill one more roster spot than before which would cost more salary and widen that gap.

[spectre]

Problem is that we would be giving up 18.4 mil in salary and taking on 21.5 mil. Plus we would have to fill one more roster spot than before which would cost more salary and widen that gap.

That's not a problem! It's within the 125% + 100k rule and we lose over 3 million in salary! Use it to sign Theo to a vet min deal and we still net over 2 million.


He'll be like felts 2 years ago ehh all he had to do was dish it to mek.

The problem is in the bolded part. TJ chucks and doesn't dish.

[DY_nasty]

That Minnesota trade made zero sense to me. The Timberwolves are a ship without a rudder. That's the guy that ruined Rubio for them. Is it possible you turn two high draft picks in a good draft into the 10th pick in a poor one?


On a different note, Tyrus is saying he wants to be here:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5314994
Just to clear it up, Rubio not coming over had nothing to do with Flynn, and everything with his Euro club not being flexible when it comes to a buyout. Rubio offered to have his entire rookie contract be paid to his team - he was willing to play in the NBA for free. If anything, blame Kahn for being short-sighted and his team for not being flexible.

[ohara831]

Now we're talking!

If we could turn DJ/Nazr into Ford/10th and then swap Boris/10th for Al Jeff I'm all sorts of down.

One year of TJ wouldn't be all bad would it?

Wow! If we managed to do something like this, I would pull out my vuvuzela and blow it till it was heard in all corners of the earth!

[dnbman]

Just to clear it up, Rubio not coming over had nothing to do with Flynn, and everything with his Euro club not being flexible when it comes to a buyout. Rubio offered to have his entire rookie contract be paid to his team - he was willing to play in the NBA for free. If anything, blame Kahn for being short-sighted and his team for not being flexible.

That may be how it eventually went down. However, on draft night and the month after, Rubio, his family, and his agent kept saying things to the effect of Minnesota wasn't the right situation. You could see Rubio's reluctance the night of the draft.

He may have come to terms with all of that and it ended up being Kahn's fault, but at least initially, Rubio didn't want to come to Minnesota where there was a log jam at the pg position and mediocre talent elsewhere.

[ammofan]

We should buy Miami's #18 pick....they are willing to sell it for cap space

[nugentrk]

he Heat are willing to sell the 18th pick in Thursday's NBA Draft, according to league sources.

"They want to sell it to clear cap space," one Western Conference executive told Yahoo! Sports.

The Bobcats have a $3 million trade exception (Raja Bell trade). We can used it to take pick #18 and Daequan Cook ($2 million salary).

Then draft Hassan Whiteside or Eric Bledsoe

[dnbman]

The Bobcats have a $3 million trade exception (Raja Bell trade). We can used it to take pick #18 and Daequan Cook ($2 million salary).

Then draft Hassan Whiteside or Eric Bledsoe

Does Miami want to part with Cook?

[nugentrk]

Does Miami want to part with Cook?

who else do the have? Michael Beasley and James Jones makes too much money.

[nugentrk]

If we make a trade now, do the salary count this season(2009/2010) or next season (2010/2011). Because it will put the bobcats over the luxury tax.

[teej]

If we make a trade now, do the salary count this season(2009/2010) or next season (2010/2011). Because it will put the bobcats over the luxury tax.

10-11.

Also, Rubio didn't want to play in Minnesota to begin with. Kahn knew that and drafted him anyway. Along with Flynn and signing Sessions. And drafting Ellington. And shopping their best player (Al). He's a retard.

[nugentrk]

What i mean is if we trade for a player like Daequan Cook. Would cook's salary count this season, since technically this season ends June 30th.

[dnbman]

What i mean is if we trade for a player like Daequan Cook. Would cook's salary count this season, since technically this season ends June 30th.

I think you're right.

However, while I'm not sure, I don't think that Miami see Cook as a throw in player. He's a contributor and he's cheap. I'm not sure they'd move him just to make a selling of their first rounder work.

[SCBobcat]

Miami has only Cook, Beasley, and Chalmers under contract. They also hold an option on Joel Anthony but have yet to exercise it. Thus, they have only 3 salaries to dump.

[ohara831]

Bucks just acquired Corey Maggette from GSW for Charlie Bell and Dan Gadzuric

[ammofan]

Bucks just acquired Corey Maggette from GSW for Charlie Bell and Dan Gadzuric

whatever.....lol

[TheLegend]

Bucks just acquired Corey Maggette from GSW for Charlie Bell and Dan Gadzuric

God, their going to be nasty.

[nugentrk]

whatever.....lol

well if the Bucks buyout Carlos Delfino's contracts for 500K and if the salary cap is 53-56 million, they will be 7-10 million under the salary cap. They will have to renounce Luke Ridnour and John Salmons.

They need a PF, so they can target Tyrus Thomas if they like him.

[ammofan]

well if the Bucks buyout Carlos Delfino's contracts for 500K and if the salary cap is 53-56 million, they will be 7-10 million under the salary cap. They will have to renounce Luke Ridnour and John Salmons.

They need a PF, so they can target Tyrus Thomas if they like him.

tyrus isnt going anywhere......Bobcats>Bucks....Charlotte>Milwaukee

[TheLegend]

tyrus isnt going anywhere......Bobcats>Bucks....Charlotte>Milwaukee

True True +1

[Plowright]

Not going to lie, that trade is GREAT for Bucks is it not?

[ammofan]

Not going to lie, that trade is GREAT for Bucks is it not?

Yeah its pretty great.......its the equivalent of us trading Stevie Graham and Diop to GS

[TheLegend]

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/67360/20100622/salmons_tells_bucks_hes_opting_out/

John Salmons is opting out. You guys think we can get him and trade Jack?

[GoBobs]

They took a step up talent wise.

[ajbry]

Excellent trade for the Warriors, as they finally rectify their mistake of signing Maggette in the first place.

The Bucks apparently want another attempt with a SF who can't do anything but score (Richard Jefferson before). I wouldn't be concerned about them - if anything I'd say this makes them worse. The guy is a major ball-stopper who gets his numbers at the expense of everyone else. Doesn't pass, doesn't defend.

[ND22]

Wow, I think that's a good trade for the Bucks.

Also, if we can that DJ & Nazr for Ford and 10th pick can happen...yes, hell yes.

[TattoodCats4life]

Here ya go, I fixed that for ya :)


Wow, I think that's a good trade for the Bucks.

Also, if we can that DJ & Diop for Ford and 10th pick can happen...yes, hell yes.

[Demon DeaCat]

I'm not gonna lie, I'd be excited if we were getting Maggette. Call him a ball hog if you wish, 20 ppg is 20 ppg. For a team that struggles to score like we do, he'd be a welcome addition in my book. I think that's a pretty solid trade for the Bucks.

[ajbry]

I'm not gonna lie, I'd be excited if we were getting Maggette. Call him a ball hog if you wish, 20 ppg is 20 ppg. For a team that struggles to score like we do, he'd be a welcome addition in my book. I think that's a pretty solid trade for the Bucks.

It's no coincidence that Corey Maggette is not synonymous with team success. But if you like looking at hollow stats, then go right ahead. They don't get much hollower.

He's a R-Jeff, J-Rich, J-Ho level player. If he's your 4th best player you may have a decent team. If not, get ready for a nice lottery pick.

Maggette's ideal role should be a 28-ish MPG sixth man who averages 15-16 points. He's far too limited otherwise and you can't afford to have him on the floor for starter's minutes. He literally grinds the game to a screeching halt in every aspect. Completely consumed with getting his and not much else.

And what purpose would he possibly serve for the Bobcats? Jack and Gerald are clearly better players and there's not many minutes behind those guys.

[Proudiddy]

I'm not gonna lie, I'd be excited if we were getting Maggette. Call him a ball hog if you wish, 20 ppg is 20 ppg. For a team that struggles to score like we do, he'd be a welcome addition in my book. I think that's a pretty solid trade for the Bucks.

Well, I'm not gonna lie either, I subscribed to your line of thinking that 20 ppg is 20 ppg until we got J-Rich... And believe me, I learned that there's different versions of 20 ppg. From my observations of Maggette, he's definitely a talented player, but on paper to add a 20 ppg scored in Maggette with a backcourt of Steph Curry and Monta, along with Biedrins and Turiaf as big men, and Randolph and Wright if they're healthy, there's no reason they shouldn't have been at least the 8th seed in the West.

Maggette isn't efficient despite his high FG %. You've just gotta watch him. Just because a guy is a 20 ppg scorer doesn't mean he's a go-to scorer, I sadly had to learn that the hard way with J-Rich. No doubt, he'll be a nice pick for the Bucks, but not one we need.

BTW, WTF are we doing - The Bucks also JUST TRADED A F'ING 2ND ROUNDER FOR CHRIS DOUGLAS-ROBERTS... I would've done that. That's ridiculous.

[Toocool]

BTW, WTF are we doing - The Bucks also JUST TRADED A F'ING 2ND ROUNDER FOR CHRIS DOUGLAS-ROBERTS... I would've done that. That's ridiculous.

We're pretty fat on the SG as it is. With Jax and Hendo on the books, LB probably still has a mancrush on Hughes :facepalm: and Flip also wants to come back. Add CDR into the equation, and we turn into a team that hordes not only centers but shooting guards as well.

[DY_nasty]

As much as I'd like to see Maggette drive the lane with none of the efficiency of Wallace, bring no defense or outside shooting, and carry in with him a fresh breeze of failure and taint...

Wait, no. Nevermind.

[Demon DeaCat]

Well, I'm not gonna lie either, I subscribed to your line of thinking that 20 ppg is 20 ppg until we got J-Rich... And believe me, I learned that there's different versions of 20 ppg. From my observations of Maggette, he's definitely a talented player, but on paper to add a 20 ppg scored in Maggette with a backcourt of Steph Curry and Monta, along with Biedrins and Turiaf as big men, and Randolph and Wright if they're healthy, there's no reason they shouldn't have been at least the 8th seed in the West.

Maggette isn't efficient despite his high FG %. You've just gotta watch him. Just because a guy is a 20 ppg scorer doesn't mean he's a go-to scorer, I sadly had to learn that the hard way with J-Rich. No doubt, he'll be a nice pick for the Bucks, but not one we need.

Our only problem when J-Rich was here is that we didn't have enough other talent to complement his, which meant he had to be a chucker. He fit in just fine with Phoenix this year on a team that made it to the WC finals, because he was allowed to be a 2nd or 3rd option.

As for GSW failure to be a playoff team, that has a whole lot more to do with Nellie than it does Maggette. Nellie is notoriously undisciplined, and despite his gaudy career wins total, just isn't a very good coach. Talk about a hollow stat. Maggette would fit in fine under the structure of LB. People said all the same things about Jax- ball hog, inefficient, all about getting his, etc. until he came here and we started winning.


And what purpose would he possibly serve for the Bobcats? Jack and Gerald are clearly better players and there's not many minutes behind those guys.

Maggette would be a super 6th man here. GW and Jax played way too many minutes last year, so there'd be back up mintes for him at SG and SF. Would you rather have Corey Maggette or Larry Hughes playing those minutes?

[Plowright]

Would you rather have Corey Maggette or Larry Hughes playing those minutes?[/QUOTE]

If there was no such thing as a salary cap, then maggette... however there is and he is way over payed so larry hughes

[murphman]

According to a report on Yahoo! Sports, Portland is showing strong interest in Cavaliers guard Mo Williams. Williams still has two years and $17 million left on his deal with the Cavs.

http://www.woio.com/global/story.asp?s=12692108

Considering Mo Williams and Andre Miller have been talked about coming here, this is an interesting development. Could have trickle down effects to us. Cleveland might want DJ or a sign and trade for Felton.

[ohara831]

The TJ Ford conjecture starts up again. Is he guessing, or did someone give him a heads up? I wonder.

http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2010/06/dont-discount-a-pacers-deal-involving-ford.html


And Diaw being moved might also help.

http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2010/06/some-thoughts-entering-the-draft.html

[murphman]

Raja to Lakers?

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Ao0iGxPGWYEzvJYnDCPAg62zvLYF?slug=ys-belllakers062210

[ammofan]

We just need to make some sort of trade.....lol im bored

[Plowright]

We just need to make some sort of trade.....lol im bored

I second that ammofan, there is NOTHING to talk about atm lol well draft night+days after should provide some interesting topics

[ammofan]

I second that ammofan, there is NOTHING to talk about atm lol well draft night+days after should provide some interesting topics

Im going to go work for a while today and hopefully come back to some good or bad news requarding the Bobcats :D

[Chef]

not good.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5317801

we need him to stay in NO until he is a free agent. if he lands on a team with lebron or wade there is no way we get him in free agency in 2012. i really think that if we keep our salary cap situation neat and tidy we have a serious shot at our first super-duper star. hometown hero, wants to play here and is a Jordan brand superstar.

pipe dream:
melo in 2011, paul in 2012

[Plowright]

"GM Rod Higgins working the phones. Right now they have no picks, but that might change" Sounds like there trying hard!

[ohara831]

http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2010/06/higgins-1st-round-not-out-of-question.html

Maybe getting into the 1st?

[spectre]

http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2010/06/higgins-1st-round-not-out-of-question.html

Maybe getting into the 1st?

It'd have to be via trade. Rumors now have 1sts going for 3 million AND a young prospect. That's freaking crazy!

I figure Miami, Chicago and of course the Pacer's 10th are obtainable. Miami not so much as they don't want to take salary back and they don't have any players for a lopsided salary trade. Chicago possibly if we're giving them expirings for Hinrich.

[teej]

Boston's apparently shopping the 19th pick...

[Cats4lif3]

http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2010/06/higgins-1st-round-not-out-of-question.html

Maybe getting into the 1st?

Depending on who we pick and if they play I'm open for this! Maybe Eric bledsoe and te trade diaw for hontich?? Or draft a good pf and trade for hontich and get a 2nd rounder and get mikhail torrence

[spectre]

Boston's apparently shopping the 19th pick...


According to a source close to Boston Celtics (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=bos) general manager Danny Ainge, the Celtics have put their first-round pick in the NBA draft -- No. 19 overall -- on the market Wednesday, looking for a suitor.

Ainge hasn't been enamored with anyone at the spot, according to the source, and is willing to get a return of a future pick.

The Celtics own the 19th and 52nd picks in Thursday's draft.
If they'll wait til 2016 then you know we're all over that! :p

[CatNation]

the suggested trades in Bonnell's comment boxes are just hilarious. diop nazr tyson for chris paul etc. i wish

[Cats4lif3]

Would chicago do diaw+ cash for hontich and 17th pick?

[teej]

Would chicago do diaw+ cash for hontich and 17th pick?

Maybe, if they're getting a Joe Johnson in July.

I'd do it.

[Cats4lif3]

Maybe, if they're getting a Joe Johnson in July.

I'd do it.

I think it's a good trade and we could draft a pf or pg

[bbh2020]

From NBA.com





Bobcats ramping up efforts to land Draft pick


Posted Jun 23 2010 12:29PM
CHARLOTTE, N.C. (AP) -- For a team without any picks, the Charlotte Bobcats sure aren't acting like they plan to sit out Thursday's NBA draft.











After working out dozens of draft prospects in the past few weeks, the Bobcats have been talking deals with numerous teams in the past few days. Potential scenarios include something as big as a multiplayer trade that nets a first-round pick to something as simple as purchasing a second-round choice.
General manager Rod Higgins says he's been "very busy" with numerous trade conversations.
The Bobcats have pulled off draft-week deals in each of the last three years. And with the Bobcats close to the luxury tax, a figure owner Michael Jordan has said they won't go over, a relatively cheap rookie contract may be an attractive option.

[ohara831]

I think it's a good trade and we could draft a pf or pg

Yep. I'd do that.

[Proudiddy]

Aww man, Rudy Fernandez is on the market - I would love getting him over Hughes and Flip. But they're wanting a draft pick... From realgm:


An NBA executive told the New York Times that the Blazers and Knicks are discussing a trade for Rudy Fernandez.

The Knicks would most likely part with either Wilson Chandler or Toney Douglas in such a deal.

Another league executive said Fernandez is available but the Blazers are hoping to receive a draft pick in return. The Knicks currently do not have a first-round pick in Thursday's draft.

Read more: http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/67391/20100623/blazers_knicks_discussing_fernandez/#ixzz0rhoVgYGj

[spectre]

[/URL][URL="http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1022509#p23862665"]Chad Ford: Al Jefferson for Zach Randolph? (http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1022509)

http://i47.tinypic.com/214pfyt.png

Remember when teams couldn't give Randolph away?

[ohara831]

Man, I would think Charlotte could put together something better than Zach Randolph. Come on guys, try to get Big Al in Charlotte

[nugentrk]

[/URL][URL="http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1022509#p23862665"]Chad Ford: Al Jefferson for Zach Randolph? (http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1022509)

http://i47.tinypic.com/214pfyt.png

Remember when teams couldn't give Randolph away?

When you are playing for the Knicks, everyone automatically thinks you sucks. Leave and have a good year, your value goes back to your pre-Knicks days.

[Chef]

Man, I would think Charlotte could put together something better than Zach Randolph. Come on guys, try to get Big Al in Charlotte

we are overflowing with 25/12 all-star power forwards.

[nugentrk]

ESPN Bucher

Thunder acquire G Daequan Cook, 18th overall in draft from heat for 32nd pick.

Looking for a link.


The Bobcats have a $3 million trade exception (Raja Bell trade). We can used it to take pick #18 and Daequan Cook ($2 million salary).


Damn I'd be a good GM

[Plowright]

Heat now have 3 second rounders, we gotta get one!

[ammofan]

Damn I'd be a good GM
Can the Bobcats trade Rod Higgins to BobcatsPlanet for you???

[ammofan]

Heat now have 3 second rounders, we gotta get one!

Forget that, I want players or a 1st rounder

[Plowright]

no we would f*ck that up, we havent worked anyone out and are out of touch, i imagine we would do another Shaun May :/

It would really suck if we ended up doing nothing...

[spectre]

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/17014/wolves-burning-up-the-phones


Update: Just got off the phone with sources connected to both teams. The Jefferson for Randolph talks are dead for now. Memphis is unwilling to part with their pick as part of a deal. Minnesota thinks they can do better.


However, the most consistent thing I'm hearing is that the team appears to be determined to move Al Jefferson. According to sources they've offered him to Detroit for Tayshaun Prince this week and have also contacted the Pacers about their interest in Jefferson for Troy Murphy's expiring contract.

[ammofan]

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/17014/wolves-burning-up-the-phones

We will give up Diop and Nazr for Jefferson....lol

I wish we could get Big Al but I doubt we can.

[spectre]

http://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/16879900726

NBA source: There's a firesale in Golden State & everyone's available except Curry. Owner trying to make team more attractive for new buyer. about 1 hour ago (http://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/16879900726) via UberTwitter (http://ubertwitter.com/)

http://a1.twimg.com/profile_images/240599830/340x_bigger.jpg (http://twitter.com/DraftExpress)
DraftExpress (http://twitter.com/DraftExpress)
Jonathan Givony

[SWedd523]

Anthony Randolph




EDIT: And Andris Biedrins

[teej]

I want Randolph! Or Biedrins.

Tyson for Andris? And then Nazr for something?

[ammofan]

http://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/16879900726

NBA source: There's a firesale in Golden State & everyone's available except Curry. Owner trying to make team more attractive for new buyer. about 1 hour ago (http://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/16879900726) via UberTwitter (http://ubertwitter.com/)

http://a1.twimg.com/profile_images/240599830/340x_bigger.jpg (http://twitter.com/DraftExpress)
DraftExpress (http://twitter.com/DraftExpress)
Jonathan Givony

We always seem to steal players from GSW. Get Monta to run point! He's not a natural point but he's a darn great player. Put him with Jack....Oh wait they were in GSW and Jack said that is his younger brother :D.....Ellis+Jack+Gerald=Big Three

[Weezy21]

http://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/16879900726

NBA source: There's a firesale in Golden State & everyone's available except Curry. Owner trying to make team more attractive for new buyer.

tyson & henderson for ellis :biggrin:

[nugentrk]

Can the Bobcats trade Rod Higgins to BobcatsPlanet for you???

The problem is probably Rod Higgins is being force to get "Larry Brown type players" vs Rod Higgins building the team in his own image. Who knows how different things would be if he did not had a meddling coach forcing his hand.

[ammofan]

tyson & henderson for ellis :biggrin:

That would be th greatest move in the history of the NBA! LOL jk but it would be great

[Plowright]

The problem is probably Rod Higgins is being force to get "Larry Brown type players" vs Rod Higgins building the team in his own image. Who knows how different things would be if he did not had a meddling coach forcing his hand.

Think thats a great point... anyway GET RANDOLPH!!!

[spectre]

On the revolving twitter comments on DX:


Apparently Minnesota is offering 16+23+Al Jefferson to Detroit for 7+Tayshaun Prince+Chris Wilcox. Not sure Detroit goes for that...

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/#ixzz0riuBJofp
http://www.draftexpress.com

[ohara831]

On the revolving twitter comments on DX:



From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/#ixzz0riuBJofp
http://www.draftexpress.com


If I'm Detroit, I'd do that deal.

[spectre]

If I'm Detroit, I'd do that deal.

Valuewise I'd do it too, but supposedly Dumars is high on someone he might can get with that pick...plus they'd have a LOT of longterm salary to deal with.

Didn't they just sell the team?

[nugentrk]

but Jefferson is injury prone and he might have bad Knee's on a fat contract, I would counter with Richard Hamilton instead of prince.

[SirBobcat]

but Jefferson is injury prone and he might have bad Knee's on a fat contract, I would counter with Richard Hamilton instead of prince.

^ what he said

[teej]

Didn't they just sell the team?

The owner died.

But apparently earlier this year Minny offered Al for Tayshaun straight up. Why Dumars didn't do that is stupid.

[ammofan]

The Pacers are in serious talks with OKC to trade the #10 for Maynor, 18, and 21.

So maybe we can forget trading DJ, but a TJ Ford deal is likely more possible now imo.

Also, the Thunder are great at building a team! They may have a shot at getting Cole Aldrich and how great would he be with Durant, Green and Westbrook???

LINK:http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/67401/20100623/pacers_thunder_in_serious_talks_on_maynor_10th_pic k_deal/

[dnbman]

Also, the Thunder are great at building a team! They may have a shot at getting Cole Aldrich and how great would he be with Durant, Green and Westbrook???

The Miami trade was fantastic. I didn't realize that Cook meant so little. Someone mentioned us trying to purchase the pick and Cook; now I'm wondering if it might have happened! Though, the 32nd pick is a nice one to have. You typically get good value without a guaranteed contract.

[SirBobcat]

The Miami trade was fantastic. I didn't realize that Cook meant so little. Someone mentioned us trying to purchase the pick and Cook; now I'm wondering if it might have happened! Though, the 32nd pick is a nice one to have. You typically get good value without a guaranteed contract.

It's not that Cook meant so little, but the fact of Miami wanting to get rid of more salary.

For Miami's plan: it makes sense for them. The 32nd pick is a very high non guaranteed contract pick. They won't have the salaries of Cook and the 18th pick, so they shed even more salary. That leaves Chalmers and Beasley's contracts as the only contracts on the roster.

[ammofan]

I just heard that the Warriors are willing to give up the #6 pick if you take Monta....WTF!!!!!!

We need to get on the phone with them if we arent already!

[dnbman]

It's not that Cook meant so little, but the fact of Miami wanting to get rid of more salary.

For Miami's plan: it makes sense for them. The 32nd pick is a very high non guaranteed contract pick. They won't have the salaries of Cook and the 18th pick, so they shed even more salary. That leaves Chalmers and Beasley's contracts as the only contracts on the roster.

I understand all that. However, they still have to field a team, preferably with players with good value. Cook seemed like he really contributed. Considering they can already add two max contracts, I assumed they would have wanted to keep Cook. Guess not!

[TheLegend]

I just heard that the Warriors are willing to give up the #6 pick if you take Monta....WTF!!!!!!

We need to get on the phone with them if we arent already!

That sounds awesome if the Bobcats can pull that trade.

[dnbman]

That sounds awesome if the Bobcats can pull that trade.

How though? Will they take back salary for this year in something like Chandler?

[Cats4lif3]

I think this is gonna happen. All of our good trades are with GSW

[spectre]

Dnb I don't think Miami had enough room for 2 MAX guys + Wade. From what I'm reading they barely do right now after the trade IF it's one of the younger guys. If Amare is one of them then they're still slightly short (due to his length of time in the league his MAX is actually a little more than Flash & LBJ).

Lots of stuff out there...

GSW is talking to Denver about a Biedrens/KMART swap

Portland/Toronto talking Fernandez for the 13th

LAC is considering bailing the Bulls out of Deng's fat contract in a Deng/17th for 8th pick (bastards...this would give them a LOT of room).

LAC is also interested in Prince.

ATL is saying that if they don't resign Joe Cool Salmons is their No. 1 target.

[Proudiddy]

Yeah, I think we might be doing something with GS, they've always seemed willing to deal with us. IDK how I feel about Ellis... Sometimes he looks unstoppable, but I don't think he's a true PG and he doesn't have much of a perimeter shot, although he's gotten better from outside.

Bottom line though is the guy scores 25 ppg and is explosive. Maybe just the type of guy we need, plus we'd be teaming him back up with Jack.

Here's the link to the story:

http://warriors.blogs.pressdemocrat.com/10851/warriors-trying-to-deal-ellis/

I still don't know what they want in return if they're unloading a high pick and Ellis... How much does Diaw have left on his contract in years?

[dnbman]

Dnb I don't think Miami had enough room for 2 MAX guys + Wade.

I was including Wade as one of those max guys.

[spectre]

I was including Wade as one of those max guys.

Ah!

They're zeroing in on 3 MAX guys. Their fans are thinking Beasley will most likely go in a S&T.

The Deng dump really pisses me off. That will easily allow them 2 MAX guys to pair with Rose & Noah and still have some cash for some role players.

I hate Chicago.

[Cats4lif3]

hOw about s&t Felton, nazr or diaw plus the cash

[ohara831]

Man, I'd love to get Monta Ellis in a Bobcat uniform. Despite his issues, I think he'd play well for LB and learn from his coaching.

[ammofan]

Man if we land Ellis I will be ecstatic!

Why not see if thye take Tyson....i like Tyson but he is expiring, a big one at that, and GS may want him because of that.

[spectre]

hOw about s&t Felton, nazr or diaw plus the cash

For Monta? Why would any FA in their right mind consent to go to GSW right now?

Besides...I imagine that Ellis + 6th is for a pure salary dump. They're trying to unload to help the sale of the team. There's already opinions that if GSW trades Biedrens for Kmart that they'd most likely buy him out.

[dnbman]

Ah!

They're zeroing in on 3 MAX guys. Their fans are thinking Beasley will most likely go in a S&T.

The Deng dump really pisses me off. That will easily allow them 2 MAX guys to pair with Rose & Noah and still have some cash for some role players.

I hate Chicago.

This whole off season is pretty insane. It seems like the top 3 teams for the next 4 years are going to be created in the next two months, and all of the titles will come from them.

[Cats4lif3]

For Monta? Why would any FA in their right mind consent to go to GSW right now?

Besides...I imagine that Ellis + 6th is for a pure salary dump. They're trying to unload to help the sale of the team. There's already opinions that if GSW trades Biedrens for Kmart that they'd most likely buy him out.

What do you think they'd accept?

[Weezy21]

Besides...I imagine that Ellis + 6th is for a pure salary dump. They're trying to unload to help the sale of the team. There's already opinions that if GSW trades Biedrens for Kmart that they'd most likely buy him out.

so why not try tyson?? they can buy him out! wow you have definitely got my hopes up haha...watch us not do a damn thing 2morrow and all my dreams will be squashed...i mean can u imagine trading tyson for monta and the 6th pick?????

[dnbman]

i mean can u imagine trading tyson for monta and the 6th pick?????

That would be the best basketball news I've heard in a long long time.

[Weezy21]

That would be the best basketball news I've heard in a long long time.

ya tell me about it...i would skeet basketballs for a year

[Cats4lif3]

That would be the best basketball news I've heard in a long long time.

Who would be our center ......nazr

[ammofan]

Who would be our center ......nazr

Doesnt matter.....look at our lineup:

Ellis
Jack
Wallace
Diaw
Nazr


Theo started last year.....and in the playoffs

[dnbman]

Who would be our center ......nazr

I'd be fine rotating Nazr, Diop, and whoever we get for that trade. While this isn't a great trade, we could get a quality young PF with that pick and not stress as much about the pg situation, even if Monta isn't a true pg.

[spectre]

TC wouldn't accept a buyout unless it's like 80% of his existing contract. Why should he?

I don't think we have what it takes to get Monta. I think they're looking for a very similar deal like we did in that Richardson for 9th swap.

Be great if we could get him though. I love watching that kid play.

DNB the Boston model X 100. If either the Bulls or the Heat can pull in multiple max guys we're talking dynasty for years...not just 2 or 3.

[Cats4lif3]

Doesnt matter.....look at our lineup:

Ellis
Jack
Wallace
Diaw
Nazr


Theo started last year.....and in the playoffs

I feel ya! Or mayb trade diaw and that 6th pick for al

Ellis
Jack
Wallace
Thomas
Jefferson

[spectre]

I don't like being the Debbie Downer here...just hate for you guys to get your hopes up too high only to crash and burn. Remember we only have just so much to work with only having like 11 guys signed and right up against the LT, and for all intents and purposes Felton isn't an asset to move right now (and he might not ever be).

[SWedd523]

Just throwing this out there....

If we received the 6th pick, we'd be targeting guys like Monroe, Cousins, Aldrich, Udoh who all can play the Center position.

We could conceivably trade Ty for Monta and the 6th and end up with

Monta/DJ
Jack/Henderson
Crash/Brown
Diaw/Tyrus/Lexy
Nazr/Monroe/Diop


That's definitely a better team than what we had this year so even if it bumps us into the LT, I could see MJ going for it as it'd make us a contender depending on how the FA's spread out

[dnbman]

DNB the Boston model X 100. If either the Bulls or the Heat can pull in multiple max guys we're talking dynasty for years...not just 2 or 3.

Yeah, I said 4 with the hope that other new superstars might break the hegemony of whatever super squad forms this summer.

[Chef]

i don't see us landing ellis. even if we could, he plays absolutely 0 defense and is black hole on offense even more than gilbert. no way LB tolerates him for 2 weeks of training camp nevermind a whole season. plus, LB would break him worse than DJ. he has been able to do whatever he wanted with Nellie his whole career.

[teej]

Just throwing this out there....

If we received the 6th pick, we'd be targeting guys like Monroe, Cousins, Aldrich, Udoh who all can play the Center position.

We could conceivably trade Ty for Monta and the 6th and end up with

Monta/DJ
Jack/Henderson
Crash/Brown
Diaw/Tyrus/Lexy
Nazr/Monroe/Diop


That's definitely a better team than what we had this year so even if it bumps us into the LT, I could see MJ going for it as it'd make us a contender depending on how the FA's spread out

I'd add in Brown with Chandler to do that. Though I'd rather get Aldrich.

[SWedd523]

I'd add in Brown with Chandler to do that. Though I'd rather get Aldrich.

He'd be a better fit, but picking him at 6 is too high. Maybe that could be moved to Indiana for the 10th and 40th (Aldrich, Torrance)?





I'll qualify my previous post with saying that Golden State wouldn't do our proposed trade until AFTER the possible Beans/KMart trade went down

[teej]

He'd be a better fit, but picking him at 6 is too high. Maybe that could be moved to Indiana for the 10th and 40th (Aldrich, Torrance)?


That'd be great. Though 40 is a bit high for Torrance in my mind.

[Weezy21]

I don't like being the Debbie Downer here...just hate for you guys to get your hopes up too high only to crash and burn.

haha i will admit i fall right into this category

[Black]

as far as draft day goes....i would guess we get a 2nd....probably from the heat....and do not acquire anyone else

[ammofan]

He'd be a better fit, but picking him at 6 is too high. Maybe that could be moved to Indiana for the 10th and 40th (Aldrich, Torrance)?





I'll qualify my previous post with saying that Golden State wouldn't do our proposed trade until AFTER the possible Beans/KMart trade went down

If we trade and get the 6th pick....I want Monroe or Udoh

[Cats4lif3]

N this predraft show on nbatv they talked about vets possibly on the move tommorow night an they said a name they've been hearing alot is Raymon Felton

[ND22]

N this predraft show on nbatv they talked about vets possibly on the move tommorow night an they said a name they've been hearing alot is Raymon Felton

Doesn't surprise me at all. So I'm assuming whatever goes down would involve a sign and trade?

[Cats4lif3]

Doesn't surprise me at all. So I'm assuming whatever goes down would involve a sign and trade?

It would have to be. But if we can't resign him might as well get something out of him

[Black]

i havent read all of this thread because i have been out of town...but we will not be any better next year with our current roster.....be aggressive...pick up a player with a "bad" contract, and hope for the best

[LiquidWayno]

I have started thinking more and more about that Diaw/Diop (over Nazr) for J.Jack/Hedo trade. Would be dramatic (and maybe traumatic?) to take Hedo's contract, but I want to improve.

[ammofan]

Im all for any trade we make that does not involve Gerald Wallace. If we can bring in Hedo....do it. If we can get Monta...DO IT! If we can dump Raymond....DO ITTTTTTT!!!

[DY_nasty]

Orlando just offered Vince and Jameer to New Orleans for Paul and Posey.

New Orleans turned it down.

Edit: my fault, it was Paul and Okafor. Orlando was going to use their Hedo trade exception in a separate deal.

[teej]

Orlando just offered Vince and Jameer to New Orleans for Paul and Posey.

New Orleans turned it down.

I would've too if I was Bower.

Vince, Jameer, a future first and Pietrus for Paul and Peja.

And that might not even be good enough.

[EC123]

We keep hearing all this noise about how the Bobcats are going to get a pick by the draft but does it seem to anybody else like all the guys we have been working out so far won't be drafted.

Why do they need one as sorry as this draft is?

Their primary need should be a big in the paint. They can get a better one of those **AL JEFFERSON** through some kind of trade.

Nothing you get in the draft would be better than him.

Trade any one or two players except Gerald Wallace and Tyrus Thomas to Minnesota to get Al Jefferson!

PG - TBD
SG - TBD
SF - Gerald Wallace
PF - Tyrus Thomas
C - Al Jefferson
Bench - TBD

Start there and build on it for next season.

[Chef]

detroit has been shopping around #7 if the other team takes a bad contract. what do you guys think about this

diop/naz for rip hamilton/wilcox and #7

they get out from under rip (i think he still has several productive years and is a better fit on our team than jax will be at sg). saves them 3 mil this year, naz saves them 7 mil next year

we get rid of diop and take on hamilton who can really help us. we can now move jax (perhaps with chandler around the deadline) and we get a tough bench pf and get #7 in the draft. we can use it or package it with jax or diaw to get rid of their salary and get something good in return.

[murphman]

Denver is trying to make their big move

http://www.denverpost.com/nuggets/ci_15362396?source=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+dp-sports-nuggets+%28Denver+Post%3A+Sports%3A+Nuggets%29

[Proudiddy]

Anyone that knows, can we trade Felton TONIGHT being that he doesn't have a contract? Like would it be a trade where the parameters are agreed to in principle, as in "Bobcats agree to trade Felton after signing him to max contract to ____ for ____"?

[SirBobcat]

This is going to be unreal if the Miami Heat are able to bring aboard both LeBron and Bosh while keeping Wade. In order for this to happen, LeBron and Bosh will have to sign first and then Wade can just opt into his contract, then get signed to a long term deal. I just don't know if any team in the NBA would ever be able to match the skill that the Heat would possibly acquire.

C- Bosh
PF- Beasley
SF- LeBron
SG- Wade
PG- Chalmers

Also, What if Bledsoe falls to the top of the 2nd round!? That would, seriously, be a sick team!

[SirBobcat]

Anyone that knows, can we trade Felton TONIGHT being that he doesn't have a contract? Like would it be a trade where the parameters are agreed to in principle, as in "Bobcats agree to trade Felton after signing him to max contract to ____ for ____"?

Felton is a free agent man...we'd have to sign and trade him. As of the beginning of free agency, Raymond can go sign with anyone he wants. I severely doubt Raymond Felton gets traded tonight.

[spectre]

Anyone that knows, can we trade Felton TONIGHT being that he doesn't have a contract? Like would it be a trade where the parameters are agreed to in principle, as in "Bobcats agree to trade Felton after signing him to max contract to ____ for ____"?


...and for all intents and purposes Felton isn't an asset to move right now (and he might not ever be).

How could we sign and trade him if we're not even allowed to talk to him and his agent until July 1st? How would the teams decide his new contract? How would the receving team even know if Felton wanted to play there?

Felton is unrestricted, so he has the right to approve any S&T.

There is NO way under the NBA CBA that he can be traded tonight.

I noticed Bonnell is spreading the same thing in his latest blog. Hypothetically my ass. :facepalm:

[Proudiddy]

How could we sign and trade him if we're not even allowed to talk to him and his agent until July 1st? How would the teams decide his new contract? How would the receving team even know if Felton wanted to play there?

Felton is unrestricted, so he has the right to approve any S&T.

There is NO way under the NBA CBA that he can be traded tonight.

I noticed Bonnell is spreading the same thing in his latest blog. Hypothetically my ass. :facepalm:

Thanks for clearing it up. I was asking b/c somebody posted that they were saying Felton would be moved on NBAtv's Draft show... I was thinking along the lines of what you said - it wasn't possible.

[spectre]

Thanks for clearing it up. I was asking b/c somebody posted that they were saying Felton would be moved on NBAtv's Draft show... I was thinking along the lines of what you said - it wasn't possible.

That's why everyone stays confused on this stuff...the "experts" who get paid to report it can't even get it right.

[ohara831]

Interesting that they experts are saying GSW will take Udoh tonight. That would give them Wright, Randolph and Udoh at the PF position. Seems to me they may be looking to move one of the former if they draft Udoh.

[jdsingar]

This is going to be unreal if the Miami Heat are able to bring aboard both LeBron and Bosh while keeping Wade. In order for this to happen, LeBron and Bosh will have to sign first and then Wade can just opt into his contract, then get signed to a long term deal. I just don't know if any team in the NBA would ever be able to match the skill that the Heat would possibly acquire.

C- Bosh
PF- Beasley
SF- LeBron
SG- Wade
PG- Chalmers

Also, What if Bledsoe falls to the top of the 2nd round!? That would, seriously, be a sick team!

Yeah that would be the sickest team in history, especially if they get some decent filler talent. I would love to see this, despite the fact that we play in their division. I don't envision this happening unless Wade and Lebron can deal with being 1a and 1b.

[Chef]

Yeah that would be the sickest team in history, especially if they get some decent filler talent. I would love to see this, despite the fact that we play in their division. I don't envision this happening unless Wade and Lebron can deal with being 1a and 1b.

won't happen, both need the ball to be most effective. there simply will not be enough basketball's to satisfy them. i think if chicago lands bosh and bron that could be one of the best teams ever. on paper and reality.

rose
bron/henrich
deng/bron
bosh
noah

and if lac are dumb enough to take deng they could sign a legit sg to be the best ever.

[ohara831]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Aksd7sSURC20PRQ9QkNsPNS8vLYF?slug=ys-draftbuzz062310

Would love to take advantage of the Hornets tough luck.

[Demon DeaCat]

won't happen, both need the ball to be most effective. there simply will not be enough basketball's to satisfy them. i think if chicago lands bosh and bron that could be one of the best teams ever. on paper and reality.

rose
bron/henrich
deng/bron
bosh
noah

and if lac are dumb enough to take deng they could sign a legit sg to be the best ever.

I agree totally. A star pg and a star big or a wing and a big can work. But two star wings (particularly Bron and Wade) would be a disaster. One of them would be demanding a trade before the all-star break. It's one thing to get an elite player to take a back seat during the olympics, but neither of those guys would go for that over an entire NBA season.

[kickazzz2000]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Aksd7sSURC20PRQ9QkNsPNS8vLYF?slug=ys-draftbuzz062310

Would love to take advantage of the Hornets tough luck.

I enjoyed the blurb further down about the state of general fuckery that is the T'Wolves franchise.

[Chef]

the state of general fuckery ....

excellent!!!!!!!!

[spectre]

Per nbadraft.net twitter...Bulls & Pacers discussing a Hinrich/17th for 10th swap.

Edit:

That can't be the entire deal as Indy doesn't have the space to absorb Hinrich's contract. That being the case I'm not sure what the Bulls' motivation is unless it's jut to get out of his last couple of years.

[Cats4lif3]

Per nbadraft.net twitter...Bulls & Pacers discussing a Hinrich/17th for 10th swap.

Damn I really wanted the bobcats to get hinrich and the 17th

[ammofan]

How many more white guys will the Pacers get today??????

[murphman]

I'm going to laugh my arse off if Chicago makes all these moves and then the best free agents they can get are Joe Johnson and Boozer at or near max contracts (meaning severely overpaid).

[DY_nasty]

The LACK of bobcats news is killing me... I've heard something about almost every other team in the league so far. ugh


I'm going to laugh my arse off if Chicago makes all these moves and then the best free agents they can get are Joe Johnson and Boozer at or near max contracts (meaning severely overpaid).
Rose, Joe Johnson, *anyone*, Boozer, and Noah with a little bit of help off the bench is a contender

[Cats4lif3]

[QUOTE=DY_nasty;168650]The LACK of bobcats news is killing me... I've heard something about almost every other team in the league so far. ugh


Same here!! I'm so curious on what MJ's first big move as owner is gonna b

[ammofan]

I wouldnt be overly worried about the lack of Cats rumors......you dont really hear rumors about us.....it just kinda happens

[bbh2020]

ESPN Insider is saying "don't be suprised to see a Wall for Paul swap".

[SCBobcat]

Tonight is when we figure out what Ajinca ended up costing us. Personally, I would rather have him at #16 than most of the others cuurently projected there. Bonnell has Orton going #16 with his 3 pts and 3 rbs in 13 minutes. Sounds similar to Lexy's french stats.(Though I think Orton falls way below that)

[Proudiddy]

ESPN Insider is saying "don't be suprised to see a Wall for Paul swap".

I call bullsh*t. ESPN is just trying to create a buzz off of a rumor that they've started then discredited and then started again. They do it all the time.

It would still be awesome if Shinn gave a final f*ck you to the town his franchise is currently in like he did to us and gave away Paul, like he did Zo, LJ, Muggsy, Kobe, Jones, Rice, etc. Preferably I would like that 'f*ck you' to involve us.

[Cats4lif3]

thE nets are trying to shop Yi. Would they accept nazr for him and a 2nd rounder?

[teej]

thE nets are trying to shop Yi. Would they accept nazr for him and a 2nd rounder?

I dunno, he's been a bust so far. He's really a lot like Ajinca.

[spectre]

thE nets are trying to shop Yi. Would they accept nazr for him and a 2nd rounder?

Yes!!!!!!!! who gives a damn whether the guy can play; I want him for those "extra" things.

Asian streams and jersey sales galore!!! :biggrin:

[LiquidWayno]

If Lebron and Bosh went to Chicago, you know who would fit perfectly at SG that's a free agent? RAJA BELL, though reports say Kobe is trying to get him to LA. Raja would be the monster perimeter defender they could use and would take of 3 shooting, the biggest weakness i would see with a Rose/LeBron/Bosh/Noah lineup. They should move Hinrich.

[Cats4lif3]

I dunno, he's been a bust so far. He's really a lot like Ajinca.

Averaging 12 points last year..... Just like diaw and bobcats market grows!!!!!

[SCBobcat]

I agree with AsianStream...I mean spectre. I would do Nazr for Yi and a 2nd based solely on basketball without those extra benefits.

[ohara831]

More Insider talk of #6 being available from GSW if you take Ellis off their hands. Good grief, I'd love to get him in Charlotte. Ship out Jax since someone wants him, and send Nazr and DJ/Henderson and get me Ellis. Someone OK will be there at #6 and we will be in business. I know some here wont like Ellis, but to me his scoring potential is better than Jax's.

[spectre]

"Insider" on the Chicago board (posted by a mod...so maybe some credibility?):


according to sources,bulls will sign joe johnson to a 4year deal 60 million dolars,and tomorrow will try and most likely trade deng for more cap space,so to sign lebron,and also reinsdorf is willing to pay the luxury (http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1022850#) tax right now

and yeah...that would be considered tampering.

JJ has let it be known that he wants to play for the Bulls, but any agreement before July 1st is highly illegal.

Please let this be true and let them get caught. :fighting:

[spectre]

I agree with AsianStream...I mean spectre. I would do Nazr for Yi and a 2nd based solely on basketball without those extra benefits.

:hysterical:

Hey, I could make that the text under my handle instead of the ILBIT!

I don't understand the GSW rumor regarding Monta. Didn't they just turn down a Memphis trade last deadline for OJ Mayo? How much salary can you cut from a payroll before it becomes crap?

[ammofan]

Alright well as long as we do something I will be happy

[Proudiddy]

More Insider talk of #6 being available from GSW if you take Ellis off their hands. Good grief, I'd love to get him in Charlotte. Ship out Jax since someone wants him, and send Nazr and DJ/Henderson and get me Ellis. Someone OK will be there at #6 and we will be in business. I know some here wont like Ellis, but to me his scoring potential is better than Jax's.

I like Jack, but he showed me several games this season, including the playoffs that he isn't 'that' guy when we need 'that' guy. After thinking about it, I would love to take Ellis and the #6. Just don't know what they expect in return - if they could buy out Chandler or Nazr maybe???

BTW, I am getting extremely pissed... All the articles talking about how active we are on the phones and we still have no moves made. Man I'm hitting refresh on multiple sites and nothing but a developing case of OCD.

[Cats4lif3]

So what happens of PG is not taken care of tonight? Do we assume dj is starting of that we are resongning felt?

And I think yi would be a great backup forward and center and he's Asian

[ammofan]

and nothing but a developing case of OCD.

I already have a severe case of it

[Proudiddy]

If I'm not mistaken, Bleacher Report isn't very reputable and is written by fans (I could be wrong), but how about this:

Chris Paul

for who you ask? CRASH and an expiring...

lol

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/410416-nba-trade-rumors-10-players-who-would-make-a-fair-deal-for-chris-paul#page/2

[SCBobcat]

So what happens of PG is not taken care of tonight? Do we assume dj is starting of that we are resongning felt?

I hear Dan Dickau is looking for a job.
In all seriousness I don't think Felts is a realistic sign and trade candidate. There are 2 reasons to sign and trade. (1) to get the max raises over 6 years or (2) if the acquiring team is over the cap.
In Felts' case I don't see teams wanting to do a 6 year contract, or the raises versus starting salary being a difference maker. I also see him signing with a team that is under the cap still after the big FAs sign.

[Muttley]

I hear Dan Dickau is looking for a job.
In all seriousness I don't think Felts is a realistic sign and trade candidate. There are 2 reasons to sign and trade. (1) to get the max raises over 6 years or (2) if the acquiring team is over the cap.
In Felts' case I don't see teams wanting to do a 6 year contract, or the raises versus starting salary being a difference maker. I also see him signing with a team that is under the cap still after the big FAs sign.
Also, if an S&T does happen, it will NOT be tonight. As mentioned before, negotiations with Unrestricted free agents cannot happen until July1, and then contracts can't be signed until (I think) 1 week after that.

[murphman]

So what happens of PG is not taken care of tonight? Do we assume dj is starting of that we are resongning felt?



With all the moves teams are going to make from now through free agency, it is safe to bet that many/most will be wanting to make changes to their roster. The Cats can probably afford to wait it out and find a desperate team in need of something we have.

Remember, this draft and free agent class is extremely weak at the PG position so a sign & trade with Felton could net us a good player to a desperate team unhappy with their current situation. I'm OK with no big moves tonight. July may be our month.

[bbh2020]

i would be all over paul and their 1st for gw and nazr. we could draft a replacement for wallace.

i'd hate to see him go but we would have to pull the trigger on this.

[Cats4lif3]

Also, if an S&T does happen, it will NOT be tonight. As mentioned before, negotiations with Unrestricted free agents cannot happen until July1, and then contracts can't be signed until (I think) 1 week after that.

It happened it ibelieve the 1989 draft

[Cats4lif3]

i would be all over paul and their 1st for gw and nazr. we could draft a replacement for wallace.

i'd hate to see him go but we would have to pull the trigger on this.

Or Jack could play 3 and we jst have to find a 2

[bbh2020]

great point cat!

[K1NGofAKR0N]

get sixth pick if u take monta ellis? u hav to be crazy not to do this. id honestly do it in a second. thnik we cud get greg monroe AND monta ellis. idc how much money hes owed

[Dustin Phifer]

Hey guys. I have just heard from multiple sources that Al Jefferson is on the trade block but will not be going to Memphis. Al wants to go to a playoff team and doesn't feel Memphis is there yet. Sure would be nice since we were a playoff team to put something together to get him. But so far down here there has been no talk of that.

[spectre]

For everything the Heat's tried to simply give him away, there isn't one team yet willing to take Michael Beasleyhttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif (http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1023001#) into cap space. 1 minute ago via web

http://twitter.com/wojyahoonba

Amazing.

[krazyrumpshaker]

Wheres ballwhore and his inside info when you need it?

[spectre]

Wheres ballwhore and his inside info when you need it?

You mean the guy who said that Larry Brown was absolutely gone and DJ would be buying a house in Charlotte this offseason?

[SWedd523]

Wheres ballwhore and his inside info when you need it?

He's waiting for 452.7 people to be here at exactly 5:43 holding a llama egg in their right hand before he makes an appearance.

[spectre]

Sources: Bulls unloading Hinrich's salary (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2010/news/story?id=5324240)


By Ric Bucher
ESPN The Magazine

The Chicago Bulls (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=chi) have a deal in place that would move Kirk Hinrich (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1981) and the 17th pick to the Washington Wizards (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=was), freeing up enough cap space to pursue two maximum-salary players on this summer's free-agent market, sources with knowledge of the Bulls' plans said Thursday.

The deal can't be officially consummated until July 8, when the Wizards will have room under the salary cap to absorb Hinrich's $9 million contract without having to send back anything of similar value.

Since it's a good-faith deal for the time being, there remains a chance it could fall apart. But according to one source, the Sacramento Kings (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=sac) are prepared to make a similar deal with the Bulls in the Wizards' stead if that were to happen.

Either way, moving Hinrich and the pick would push Chicago's space under the cap from $20 million to more than $30 million. That puts the Bulls on equal footing with the Miami Heat (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=mia) in pursuing not just one but two members of a free-agent class that is expected to include LeBron James (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1966), Chris Bosh (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1977), Carlos Boozer (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1703), Amare Stoudemire (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1727) and Joe Johnson (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1007).

[SCBobcat]

Dude, that llama egg requirement is going to be tough.

[DCW]

lol............ thats to funny

[SCBobcat]

So because of deals tonight possibly being tied to free agency, I am going to be thinking every pick that does not absolutley fill a need may be one team picking for another (which could possibly be us).
The conspiracy theories tonight will run rampant.

[thesnowman22]

NO wont take cp for gw, its gonna take something big. I WISH we could get rid of felton, st. jackson, and someone else for him and keep crash.

Speculation aside, this is realistically the best chance we will ever have for Paul. We have enough talent to trade, we have MJ, and its his home area. He also says he wouldnt mind a trade.

Id be busting my arse to try to get him. Even if they say no, so what? You just gotta try. Prefer to keep gw though. maybe wishful thinking. Of course, if he goes free agent in the future, they gett nada.

[SWedd523]

Dude, that llama egg requirement is going to be tough.

No shit. You better get to searchin'!

[ohara831]

The later is gets, and closer to the Draft, the more I think nothing happens with Charlotte and we just sit out the Draft.

[TrytoCompete]

Yeah I'll be very surprised if we make a move tonight. I think we will make moves but cheap small market moves. We will wait for season to start and nickel and dime everyone that is trying to unload contracts. Then let LB construct some insane creation of a team. I'm just down in the dumps man. Why wouldn't we take hinrichs contract and the 17th pick. It just seems every year I think we are going to really try and compete then we don't. I think it was very clear this roster won't make it far in the playoffs. I just get so pissed off at us being complacent with the roster we have. See I thought things would be different with MJ but so far he is staying pat with the Bob johnson course. Anyways sorry to be all doom and gloom. I've been on forum before I just always forget my passwords so I made a new one.

[Proudiddy]

I'm not understanding the Wiz taking Hinrich though... Is he gonna sit the whole year? You have Wall, Arenas, and Hinrich at PG now... Someone's got to be the odd man out, right?

[SCBobcat]

It does seem like Wash will try to move one of arenas or hinrich. They will already have both of them playing SG and backup PG. Add in Nick Young and there is gridlock in the backcourt.

[DY_nasty]

I'm not understanding the Wiz taking Hinrich though... Is he gonna sit the whole year? You have Wall, Arenas, and Hinrich at PG now... Someone's got to be the odd man out, right?
Two things. 1, Arenas will be gone by the end of the week at the latest. 2, its a money move for Chicago, they now have enough cash (if James Johnson is included in the deal) for two max contracts.

[ohara831]

I gotta believe that the reason they took #17 is to put that with Gilbert and try to move Gilbert's contract.

[DY_nasty]

I'm pretty sure Arenas will be in Orlando when its all said and done. I think Washington will end up keeping the pick too.

[ohara831]

Man, this kinda suxs. The Wiz have essentially (3) 1st round picks to improve, the Heat are clearing space for Wade and another MAX contract, and the Hawks and Magic are already tough. Charlotte needs to find a way to improve a little more than just saying another year together under LB will help. I know financially it isn't easy, but they need to figure out something.

[Cats4lif3]

Man, this kinda suxs. The Wiz have essentially (3) 1st round picks to improve, the Heat are clearing space for Wade and another MAX contract, and the Hawks and Magic are already tough. Charlotte needs to find a way to improve a little more than just saying another year together under LB will help. I know financially it isn't easy, but they need to figure out something.

Agreed! Well I'm off to work, dear NBA gods watch over the bobcats

[Wanderlai]

Yeah, it sucks. Sad time to be a Bobcats fan. I think the team has peaked in what it can do and the east is only going to get tougher due to Chicago and Miami getting a talent boost, the Hawks and Magic are already good teams with better players.

The only way the Cats get better is to take a chance on a troubled player like Arenas, or a player a team doesnt want anymore that has a big contract...Al Jefferson. MJ is in a mess. He can't get a "star" player to sign here plus the team salary cap sucks. If he blows the team up and trys to get cap space and draft pics then the fan support and ticket sales suffer.

Maybe the Cats buy a 2nd round pic but I'm not sure they even do that.

[ohara831]

I dont think we are going to sux this next season, not by any means. But we are going to have a much tougher time within our own division unless we find a way to bring in more scoring ability. Our Defense was solid, but our scoring ability was not so hot.

[TrytoCompete]

I promise buying a second rd pick won't make us any better for this upcoming year. I mean are we even going to have ray ray at pg? I am scared to death thinking of Dj starting and some unproven 2nd rd pick being the backup. That wont cut it in the EAST. The ways things are going we are falling out of even the 8th seed. I mean we are a team still starting Diaw. I like diaw off the bench but he shouldn't start. I hate Tyson because you know he will miss time so you can never count on him. Even when he is out there he isnt dominant. Just as in previous post we either go full speed ahead and continue to acquire old vets soon so that we can make a "run" or we blow up the team. If MJ won't go over the cap, then as it stands this team is the best it will get. If this is the case he needs to blow it up, however as said before we gotta sell those tickets.

[dunnlx]

Bobcats will not make the playoffs next year with this roster, I say blow it up now!!!!!! I will not get myself all excited for nothing. Everyone will be getting better in the Esatern Conf while the Cats do nothing, oh well.


I promise buying a second rd pick won't make us any better for this upcoming year. I mean are we even going to have ray ray at pg? I am scared to death thinking of Dj starting and some unproven 2nd rd pick being the backup. That wont cut it in the EAST. The ways things are going we are falling out of even the 8th seed. I mean we are a team still starting Diaw. I like diaw off the bench but he shouldn't start. I hate Tyson because you know he will miss time so you can never count on him. Even when he is out there he isnt dominant. Just as in previous post we either go full speed ahead and continue to acquire old vets soon so that we can make a "run" or we blow up the team. If MJ won't go over the cap, then as it stands this team is the best it will get. If this is the case he needs to blow it up, however as said before we gotta sell those tickets.

[ohara831]

I dont think blowing it up is the answer. We do have some nice young pieces. We just screwed ourselves by making some bad trades - like Diop.

[CatNation]

I would love to get Gilbert here

[DY_nasty]

Geez guys, overreacting much? lol

[SWedd523]

For this entire offseason we knew we didn't have any cap space to play with and that whatever moves we'd make would be minimal. Why get all pissy now?




And for that matter, when have we ever made a publicized trade? The J-Rich for Diaw/Bell trade was a complete surprise. The Morrison/Brown for Vlad trade was a complete surprise. The Vlad/Bell for Jack trade was a complete surprise.


IF we DO make a trade, we won't know about it until it happens. IF we DONT make a trade, stop bitching.

[ND22]

For this entire offseason we knew we didn't have any cap space to play with and that whatever moves we'd make would be minimal. Why get all pissy now?




And for that matter, when have we ever made a publicized trade? The J-Rich for Diaw/Bell trade was a complete surprise. The Morrison/Brown for Vlad trade was a complete surprise. The Vlad/Bell for Jack trade was a complete surprise.


IF we DO make a trade, we won't know about it until it happens. IF we DONT make a trade, stop bitching.

I second this. Lets chill guys, the day isn't over yet.

[DY_nasty]

Exactly, say what you want about our management but they're easily one of the most tight-lipped in the league.

[ziggy]

Man, following this thread through 5 meetings and a pile full of crazy shit at work today was tough... But it was well worth it.


behold............ your Llama egg

http://images.elfwood.com/art/m/e/melodypena/hatch_llama_gry_bkgrnd.gif