What are you guys thoughts on resigning Felton? Let him walk? Or do we need him?

[TheDunkinDuncan]

I really dont think of DJ as a floor general, so I am wary about letting Felton walk... thoughts guys?

Also, what about Ratliff? Any chance we could bring him back? I think people underestimate the impact he makes on defense. And if Chandler could get healthy and sort out any issues he might have I really liked our center by committee thing we where attempting to do with the magic.

I am a firm believe in it taking time for a team to gel, especially on defense. I wouldnt mind seeing us keep the core of our players together (minus Diaw)

I feel like Felton has got a lot of heart and gets respect from some of the other players.... and he has shown that clutch ability in the past... if you can get past his getting used by Nelson in that playoff series, I think he is worth keeping around. But I know opinions on that vary!

[Chef]

only if we can get him no more than 6 mil per year

[Plowright]

Let DJ start, you give him the responsibilty he will step up, play him starters minutes, he will give you starters numbers.

[spectre]

Yes we need him (TJ Ford ain't no upgrade), but we don't have the space to re-sign him.

I figure we'll let him walk due to financial considerations.

Didn't Shinn get blasted repeatedly for letting FAs go because of money?

[Felton for Prez]

Didn't Shinn get blasted repeatedly for letting FAs go because of money?

It was mainly because he let Alonzo go. I don't think there would be nearly the backlash if Felton walked.

[ammofan]

Let him walk....pick up another pg who doesnt want as much $

[Cats4lif3]

I think we are going to try and either hit or miss with dj. And If it's a miss well make a move at deadline

[ohara831]

I think we are going to try and either hit or miss with dj. And If it's a miss well make a move at deadline

I get the same feeling. I think we may keep Torrance if he plays as well as expected in Summer League. Assuming he does accept our invite and not go somewhere else.

[K1NGofAKR0N]

if larry brown left mayb a few guys who arnt over the age of 28 will get a minute or 2

[spectre]

All Star weighs in:

Wallace hopes Felton, Brown return to Bobcats (http://www.news-record.com/content/2010/06/25/article/wallace_hopes_felton_brown_return_to_bobcats)


CHARLOTTE (AP) — Gerald Wallace doesn't want to see a lot of changes for the Charlotte Bobcats this offseason.

Raymond Felton? He wants the impending free-agent point guard to re-sign.
Larry Brown? Wallace credits the Hall of Fame coach with his first All-Star appearance and hopes he returns for a third season.

Wallace even thinks volatile Stephen Jackson gets a bad rap, and is looking forward to another season with Captain Jack.

After decompressing with fishing and his son's baseball games, Wallace is starting to think about basketball again after the disappointed of Charlotte's four-game sweep to Orlando in the franchise's first playoff appearance.

The series featured a one-sided matchup at point guard, with Jameer Nelson outplaying Felton. General manager Rod Higgins has called Felton's impending unrestricted free agency a "delicate situation" and it's possible he won't be re-signed.

"He's a major piece for our puzzle," Wallace said. "He was one of the pieces that helped us get to where we got for the first time in franchise history. Hopefully, he'll be here. If not, I wish him the best in his career in whatever he decides to do."

While Brown has worked out draft prospects all month and was deep in draft discussions Thursday night, he hasn't come out and said he's definitely returning for a third season.

Wallace was quick to praise Brown for his development. Wallace averaged 18.2 points and a career-high 10 rebounds in 76 regular-season games. He was selected as the Bobcats' first All-Star and was voted to the NBA's all-defensive first team.

"The past few years he's been here has been probably the best years of my career as far as a player," Wallace said. "I've improved both years. ... He did a lot for my growth in this league. In my opinion, I'd love for him to be here. I'd love for him to stay here as long as he wants to coach. But at the end of the day, that's his decision."

Wallace, the last remaining member of the expansion club's inaugural team in 2004-05, saved his highest praise for Jackson.

After off-court issues ranging from feuds with coaches to his role in the infamous brawl in Auburn Hills, Mich., Jackson was considered a risk when Charlotte traded for him early last season. But Jackson helped the Bobcats to the playoffs and played well with Wallace.

"I sat down and talked to him many times about the bad rep around the league and how people thought about him and everything," Wallace said. "I told him, point blank, 'I don't see you as that person.'

"I think his time in Charlotte was not only a great experience for myself, but for the rest of the team, too. I think he was a great leader on this team. He took the young guys under his wing."

Meanwhile, Wallace, left unprotected six years ago in the expansion draft by Sacramento, has developed into a player who has an outside chance at representing the U.S. this summer in Turkey.

"When you really look at it, the national team pretty much consists of all your heavyweight hitters in the league," Wallace said. "For them to even consider me to come is an honor for me. It just shows the work I've put in over these nine years."
Felton deserves a lot of credit for us being one of the top defensive teams in the league. I'm a firm believer that team defense starts at the PG spot (if the opposing PG gets by him then everyone has to try and adjust) and we did lose vs Orlando in part because Felton had a lot of trouble with Nelson.

That doesn't erase his body of work up to that point however. If we go with a downgrade at PG and fall off defensively...we won't get the chance to allow Jameer or anyone else to outplay our PG in the playoffs.

We won't be there.

[teej]

Ray wants too much money for us to justify re-signing him.

I'd be surprised if he's back.

[K1NGofAKR0N]

Walk. Dj is the man! Play him larry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Dlpz87]

I fail to see how TJ Ford (our most likely sign-n-trade candidate) is any different than an aged DJ?

We have to give Felton as competitive an offer as we can without breaking the piggy bank. Playoffs aside, there was a big damn drop in defense when he went to the bench in a game. That's from my observations, but I'm sure Brett's algorithms would show something similar.

On the other hand, I'm excited to see what the SL will bring with our PG invites.

[TheDunkinDuncan]

I think that is a good point you make Spectre...

I personally think keeping Felton would be a good move and in my mind DJ has the potential of giving us a nice spark off of the bench...however it just seems that he is a rather large liability for us as our starting PG. I just dont think he can run the team as well as Felton.

After finally gelling last year towards the end of the season, it would just be a shame if we don't allow Felton and these guys to continue to try to grow as a unit. They all went through something kind of special last year, at least by Bobcat standards, developing a certain level of chemistry and comradery that a lot of teams don't have.

Also, does anyone else feel like we absolutely have to do something with Diaw... at least have him coming off the bench and give Tyrus a chance to step up and start at the 4 spot. I would love to see some minor shake ups on the trade front and us bring in above average and consistent scoring threat. We shall know a lot more about whats happening come July!

[BobCatsFanInTx]

Unless the Bobcats can be sure that they can replace Raymond with a better pg than Raymond, I think it would be a mistake to let Raymond go.

I am not saying Raymond can not be replaced but the Bobcats organization better be damned sure they have a solid replacement.

If there is any doubt about a possible replacement than they should avoid letting Raymond go. Raymond had his best seasons as a starting pg under coach Brown and he has improved from the first to the second under coach Brown. I have no reason to doubt that under coach Brown this could be a break out year for Raymond.

Raymond was hamstrung by terrible coaching until coach Brown came and took him under his wing. In essence, Raymond has only been in the league two years.

[DY_nasty]

The thing that bugs me is that people see Ray as some sort of 'winner' or 'leader' when he hasn't won anything at all. Then people want to say he's improved under Larry Brown - which he has in a way, I think Larry has limited Ray's decision making to an extent. I just think that Ray should've improved some on his own. Gerald Wallace became an all-star without great coaches and an even more hectic career than Felton. Even now, his outside shooting is getting to the point where he's coming close to being a better shooter than Ray. A couple of years ago, that would've been a pipe dream. Then people want to say that Ray is clutch, when in reality, our team as a whole steps up in the last few minutes of a game. Even then, who do you want taking the last shot in game? Odds are, Ray isn't gonna lead that poll in votes. Especially now that Jack is here.

[Weezy21]

let felton walk.....trade tyson and henderson for monta ellis...call it a day

[CarolinaBlue23]

Let Felton walk. It's not like he is Chris Paul. I would be happy to see the team find a true point guard that can defend and pass better than Felton. Putting the front court players in better position to score without having to dribble so much would be a boost on the offensive end.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

Let Felton walk....You will all be looking back on this thread and regret you said that.

There is not ONE pg the Bobcats can get at this point that is a SURE FIRE replacement for Raymond!!! Be careful what you wish for cause you just might get it!!!!!!

[BobCatsFanInTx]

Let Felton walk. It's not like he is Chris Paul. I would be happy to see the team find a true point guard that can defend and pass better than Felton. Putting the front court players in better position to score without having to dribble so much would be a boost on the offensive end. I would be happy to see the team find a true point guard that can defend and pass better than Felton.

[/QUOTE] Good luck with that Carolina Blue. We would be better off trying to sign Raymond and package him in a trade. As far as getting another pg who is GOING TO BE CHRIS PAUL in their talent, also good luck. There are maybe a half dozen pg's in the upper echelon of the league but Raymond fits into that middle group of maybe a little over a dozen pg's who are not All Star good but solid and beneficial. These are guys who can be real good at times but are inconsistent. Some of these guys are this way due to youth and still looking to reach potential. Raymond has a little room for improvement since this next season is only his third under coach Brown. I see this upcoming season as a possible breakout season for Raymond. We shall see, either with us or benefiting a team in our conference or division.

If people are going off the idea that when Chris becomes a FA we will get him, they really need to think more logically. Our team at best may make the second round of the playoffs as fifth or sixth seed if we had Chris Paul. Chris Paul most likely will get an offer from a team who is likely to be a top three seed in their conference and can compete for a championship. Players like CP3 want to play for titles not just settle for a fourth or fifth seed where titles don't usually happen.

The Bobcats have far more pressing needs than replacing their franchise pg. There is not one pg the team can get that is going to be a major improvement. At least not this season. So unless we can package Raymond in a sign and trade and fill at least one of our more pressing needs I find it crazy to let Raymond walk.

On a side note, we do have last years draft picks and if they are given a chance to truly help the team they may prove to be quality assets.

[spectre]

Regardless...I think Felton's gone if for nothing else than our financial situation. We're only 2.5 million under the projected luxury tax and we're showing no signs of ever going over it.

I think with all the undrafted PGs we're bringing in...3 right?...we're going to re-visit that trade with Indiana at the last deadline and send DJ/Nazr/Henderson for TJ/Rush.

We'd lose around 640k in salary, get Jordan's PG that he's long coveted and "upgrade" the backup 2.

Ford/Torrance/Collins
Jax/Rush
Crash/UPS
Boris/Tyrus
TC/Gana/Jinx

I just hope those rooks can step up.

[ohara831]

That would be too much to give up. Both DJ and Henderson, and then Nazr's expiring?

[spectre]

That would be too much to give up. Both DJ and Heanerson, and then Nazr's expiring?

That was the deal last year at the deadline. We supposedly backed out at the last minute...so maybe we can get it a little bit better in our favor (it won't be Gana instead of Nazr though).

Remember we're the idiots who almost traded Crash for this joker.

I'm hard pressed to understand why Rush is an upgrade to Hendo.

[Black]

That would be too much to give up. Both DJ and Heanerson, and then Nazr's expiring?

i agree...i would rather sign Shaun Livingston and Flip, and go at it with a rotation of DJ/Livingston at point, and Flip playing some minutes at the one and the two....Livingston will be a low risk investment who we can sign for cheap, and we know what Flip brings to the table

[110oldeast]

This post is pretty much flawed from beginning to end. I've pretty much accepted that Felton won't be back, but this city in lumping so much of the playoffs and ignoring the season from Felton has showed either: a) minimum CURRENT NBA knowledge or understanding or b) scapegoating for the purpose of driving down an FA's value or justifying other moves.

Folks are seriously misguided if they think pg is at the top of issues with our offense.

Our biggest issues are:

1) Lack of true post threat
2) Weak wing 3 pt shooting
3) PLAYING A SLOW PACE without strong wing shooting or a dominant post man (LB is a terrific coach, but that's assinine).

When ANYONE who has watched these freaking playoffs should have seen that the teams and pgs who are successful offensively are doing so by 1 or more of the following:

1) Pushing the pace
2) Having legit post up scoring options
3) Having strong shooting options ON THE WING

You can bring whatever pg folks wet dream of on here, but at a minimum, one of the above will need to take place for the improvement folks are wanting. And that includes Chris Paul, who always has knock down shooters playing alongside him as that's how N.O. built around him from the jump, leaving only David West (his main pick and pop butter guy) from the roster that preceeded him. Deron Williams is the closest thing you can find to a pg who could take a team with weak shooting and no post threat and possibly be successful and the team's success would still be hindered. I challenge any of the folks on here to tell me what pg playing at this team's pace with this team's wing shooting and this team's post threats is going to come in and set things on fire without a multitude of other challenges being made.



The thing that bugs me is that people see Ray as some sort of 'winner' or 'leader' when he hasn't won anything at all. Then people want to say he's improved under Larry Brown - which he has in a way, I think Larry has limited Ray's decision making to an extent. I just think that Ray should've improved some on his own. Gerald Wallace became an all-star without great coaches and an even more hectic career than Felton. Even now, his outside shooting is getting to the point where he's coming close to being a better shooter than Ray. A couple of years ago, that would've been a pipe dream. Then people want to say that Ray is clutch, when in reality, our team as a whole steps up in the last few minutes of a game. Even then, who do you want taking the last shot in game? Odds are, Ray isn't gonna lead that poll in votes. Especially now that Jack is here.

[spectre]

Flip held out last year for a LLE deal which was around 2 million. Unless he's willing to take less I don't think we can afford him.

FWIW just in case I haven't said it enough...I DO NOT WANT TJ FORD ON THIS TEAM. I'd rather DJ start, and I'm not for that either. Damn straight that's overpaying, but it certainly looks like we're willing to pay close to that.

[Muttley]

FWIW just in case I haven't said it enough...I DO NOT WANT TJ FORD ON THIS TEAM.

So, what about this trade (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=29n7a9g), though?

[Fred Williamson]

So, what about this trade (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=29n7a9g), though?

I didn't read the previous posts but, are you serious?

[Black]

So, what about this trade (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=29n7a9g), though?

who do you buy your crack from?

[Muttley]

I didn't read the previous posts but, are you serious?
No.


who do you buy your crack from?
Bodie.

[spectre]

:hysterical:

Hey...don't give MJ any ideas!

[Black]

Raymond Felton, the top free agent point guard, has strong interest in the Heat, and Miami is expected to call Felton, among others, if it doesn't fill its cap with three stars. One scout cautioned, ``Felton is pretty good at a lot of things but not great at anything. And he was torched by Jameer Nelson in the playoffs.''

Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/06/29/1707168_p2/heats-pat-riley-must-convince.html#ixzz0sHq1p7QS


Felton
Wade
James
Bosh
Me

championship

[teej]

No way they get Ray, Bosh, LeBron and Wade.

[ammofan]

No way they get Ray, Bosh, LeBron and Wade.

How much u wanna bet that if they did.....Ray would be an all star? lol

[spectre]

josh in sacramento:
what or who do you see as a legit option to get the kings back to the post season do you see anyone willing to sighn this summer maybe felton



http://www.hoopsworld.com/images/hw_icon.gif
Bill Ingram:

I think Felton can be had, yes . . .he's a middle-tier point guard, but an upgrade from Beno for sure. I don't think he is the move that gets you back to the postseason, but he could be a step in that direction. The West is awfully tough, and the Kings are probably 3 players way from the playoffs.

Read more NBA news and insight: http://www.hoopsworld.com/chat.asp?chat_topics_id=1034&status=Inactive#ixzz0sLOOQzYg

[ammofan]

josh in sacramento:
what or who do you see as a legit option to get the kings back to the post season do you see anyone willing to sighn this summer maybe felton



http://www.hoopsworld.com/images/hw_icon.gif
Bill Ingram:

I think Felton can be had, yes . . .he's a middle-tier point guard, but an upgrade from Beno for sure. I don't think he is the move that gets you back to the postseason, but he could be a step in that direction. The West is awfully tough, and the Kings are probably 3 players way from the playoffs.

Read more NBA news and insight: http://www.hoopsworld.com/chat.asp?chat_topics_id=1034&status=Inactive#ixzz0sLOOQzYg

Why would the Kings need him? Are they playing 'Reke at PG or SG? I would rather have Beno as a back up for Reke.

[spectre]

I think they're feeling that he's more of a SG and I agree. Personally I always thought DJ would compliment them better (he could play off Evans' drive and kick), but from what little I've read they're wanting a strong defender as a partner to him as well.

Possible Point Guards? SAC - RGM (http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=1024817)

[BRNC]

I think our best hope to recover anything with Ray is if he agrees to an S/L to help us out....combining him (S/L) with one of our expiring contract might actually gain us someone back...just a thought...:g:

[spectre]

http://www2.journalnow.com/content/2010/jul/01/chandler-likely-is-in-felton-out/sports-professional-basketball-bobcats/


After giving Thomas a one-year, $6.2 million qualifying offer to make him a restricted free agent, the Bobcats have nearly $67 million committed to 11 players for next season. That includes an extra $1 million for bonuses Gerald Wallace received for making the All-Star team ($500,000) and all-defensive team ($500,000) that will count toward next season's cap.

With the luxury tax projected to kick in around $68-69 million -- and with Jordan stating publicly he won't exceed it -- Felton's future in Charlotte looks bleak.

His uneven career -- and major struggles in the playoffs -- don't help him, either.

Felton averaged 12.1 points and 5.6 assists while shooting a career-best 46 percent from the field last season. But he was thoroughly outplayed by Orlando's Jameer Nelson in Charlotte's first-round playoff sweep.

General Manager Rod Higgins has called Felton's impending unrestricted free agency a "delicate subject." The team has no meetings set up with Felton, who has changed agents and is now represented by Tony Dutt.

"Raymond is looking forward to continuing his career wherever it might be, as he understands the business," Dutt said. "I also know he loves the fans in Charlotte."

If Felton, who turned down an offer from the Bobcats last summer that would have paid him roughly $6 million per season, doesn't return, the Bobcats will almost certainly have to make a trade for a point guard. D.J. Augustin, who struggled for much of last season, is the only other point guard on the roster.

The team pursued Indiana's T.J. Ford last season. The Bobcats could also try to pull off a larger deal that could include Chandler. A player with a large salary would likely have to be involved for the Bobcats to clear enough payroll.

[spectre]

copied off another board:


Charlotte Bobcats free-agent point guard Raymond Felton received calls from New York, Miami, Indiana, New Jersey, Dallas and Memphis at the beginning of free agency, a source said. Felton is viewed as the best point guard available in free agency. While the Los Angeles Lakers are looking for a point guard, Felton is expected to command more than the midlevel exception and is likely out the Lakers’ range.Marc J. Spears, 2:45 a.m. ET, July 1

Edit:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AhrCIlrKtZesVrjyohcJKIy8vLYF?slug=ys-freeagentbuzz063010

[teej]

If Dallas wants Ray with Kidd and Roddy, then they'll never stop.

But I'd be fine with a S&T of Ray and add in TC for Dampier and Roddy B.

[SWedd523]

Roddy can ball like no other guard on our roster other than Jack. He's going to be a great player sometime real soon.

[teej]

Roddy can ball like no other guard on our roster other than Jack. He's going to be a great player sometime real soon.

Which is why it makes no sense for Dallas to go after Ray.

I think Cuban just has a hard-on for him.

S&T Ray at 9 mil with TC at 13 for Dampier (13), Carroll (4.3) and Roddy.

Or Ray (9) and Nazr (6) for Dampier (13) and JJ Barea.

[ammofan]

copied off another board:

Marc J. Spears, 2:45 a.m. ET, July 1

Edit:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AhrCIlrKtZesVrjyohcJKIy8vLYF?slug=ys-freeagentbuzz063010

Ok so what would be possible as far as sign and trading with those teams? Why not try to get lee in a double S+T?

[spectre]

Ok so what would be possible as far as sign and trading with those teams? Why not try to get lee in a double S+T?

Because we're around 1-2 million from the luxury tax and taking on Lee would add about 10 million (more or less) to our salary...putting us about 8 to 9 million over.

[spectre]

http://ken-berger.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/view/11838893?tag=headlines;nba


Point guard Raymond Felton (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/players/playerpage/555943) has been contacted by seven teams, including the three with the most cap money who also happen to be the three he's interested in: the Knicks, Heat and Nets, CBSSports.com has learned.

Felton expects to have a decision in 2-3 days, with the understanding that the teams pursuing him have to first resolve their pursuit of top-tier free agents like James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh. Felton, who averaged 12.1 points and 5.6 assists for the Bobcats (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/teams/page/CHA) last season, probably won't return to Charlotte because re-signing him would push the Bobcats over the luxury tax.

The Knicks' pursuit of Felton is a strong indication of a backup plan the team is ready to carry out if it doesn't land James. Sources say team president Donnie Walsh and coach Mike D'Antoni would then try to get a quick commitment from Felton and use a legit point guard as an enticement to one of the other free agents -- Bosh or Amar'e Stoudemire (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/players/playerpage/307861). Then, the Knicks could try to add one more piece -- such as small forward Mike Miller (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/players/playerpage/196339) -- before going over the cap to retain Lee, assuming they didn't have to renounce his rights to do it. If they did, the Knicks would probably have to forego one of the signings in order to fit Lee into their $34.1 million of salary-cap space.

[ALuhrs704]

i dont want jj barea but i would love roddy b or w/e his name is. but mark cuban will not trade him. i think the knicks are gonna grab felton, but who knows. i think we are better with a solid vet pg then with felton next year. (cough tj ford/jack)

[BobCatsFanInTx]

i dont want jj barea but i would love roddy b or w/e his name is. but mark cuban will not trade him. i think the knicks are gonna grab felton, but who knows. i think we are better with a solid vet pg then with felton next year. (cough tj ford/jack)Yes because based on all the interest Felton is getting it is obvious he is not a solid veteran pg.::) I don't understand all the negative and dismissive attitudes toward Raymond. Yes, he had a poor showing in the Playoffs and got exposed to some extent. So did 98% of our team. Should we just get rid of every player on our team except TT and Crash. Because from what I saw they were the only two that didn't get exposed during the playoffs.

Listen, I realize we are not going to get to keep Raymond based on the cap but if anybody really thinks TJ Ford or Jarett Jack is a real improvement over Raymond they really haven't paid attention.

By the way Raymond more than held his own against a lot of top tier pg's including Jameer Nelson during the regular season. Yes, defensively Raymond is far from the best among the middle tier pg's but he is not a complete slouch either.

If the Bobcats can get a solid replacement for Raymond while adding another needed piece in a sign and trade than I am all for it. I don't want him to leave without us getting some real value and needs back. Raymond obviously has some interest from several teams and to just let him leave with no compensation seems wrong.

At the end of the day I hope wherever Raymond goes that he does great and I hope he feels appreciated by Charlotte Bobcats fans for his years of service and classy attitude.

[mrtarheel]

Here is my thing, Ray is getting offers as so is TT. TT has the most value, we try a 3 way with Minny and Golden State with something in the means of Diaw to Golden State as they can use him at the 3-5 in Nellie's style of play and Ellis and TT to Minny.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=27rg7ju

Diop is TT contract. This allows GSW to then pursue Denver with Biedrins

[BobCatsFanInTx]

Here is my thing, Ray is getting offers as so is TT. TT has the most value, we try a 3 way with Minny and Golden State with something in the means of Diaw to Golden State as they can use him at the 3-5 in Nellie's style of play and Ellis and TT to Minny.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=27rg7ju

Diop is TT contract. This allows GSW to then pursue Denver with BiedrinsGreat deal for us but based on the Trade Machine it doesn't look real good for GS and Min. Especially for Min and if those two organizations see this trade scenario anywhere similar to the Trade Machine I doubt they bite. I don't see where we need to make a three of four team trade to get quality players to improve our team.

I could be wrong though.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

I doubt this trade I can up with would be accepted but I'll just put it out there..

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=28a9vnp

It involves us and Orlando

This trade involves the Pacers and gets us TJ Ford and allows us to send Diaw in the process.
There is a part of this trade I am sure won't sit well with many of you.

According to the Trade Machine the trade is fair but it doesn't get us any extra wins.

Still maybe I am making too much of some damned machine that probably can't correctly figure who wins more or loses more.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2cb7nlw

[CatNation]

coughALLENIVERSONcoughcough

[rsxnova]

coughALLENIVERSONcoughcough

:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: :facepalm::facepalm:

[CatNation]

:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: :facepalm::facepalm:

http://latrivianelson.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/allen.jpg

[spectre]

http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=mxqE3Mw_IZI&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch#%21v=mxqE3Mw_IZI&feature=related)

[SWedd523]

spec, that link goes to the youtube front page

[spectre]

Are you sure? I just clicked on it and it brought me to a Felton mix.

At any rate...this one should work!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxqE3Mw_IZI

[SWedd523]

This one works!

[dnbman]

Nice video.

Though, I'd much rather see more great passes than all of the threes and prayer layups.

[dnbman]

Hope this is what the rest of the league is doing:

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/67783/20100703/pacers_offering_one_year_deals_to_maintain_flexibi lity/

Indiana offering one year $3.5M deals. I'd gladly give Felton 7 years at $4M.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

Gee fellas thanks for the feedback on my trade proposals.

[mrtarheel]

Hope this is what the rest of the league is doing:

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/67783/20100703/pacers_offering_one_year_deals_to_maintain_flexibi lity/

Indiana offering one year $3.5M deals. I'd gladly give Felton 7 years at $4M.

I was about to start a new thread about that but seems as if Ind only wants a 1yr deal, NY wants Tony Parker, LA got Blake, Heat want Fisher seems as if Felts might get lowballed around the league and should be glad to come back to a 5 or 6 mill deal to us hopefully. He is not an elite pg but he is tuff and gritty and fits with Jax and Crash. Maybe we should see what we could get for TT?

[DY_nasty]

I think Felton is feeling pretty insulted by that Pacers' offer.

He probably won't bite on anything until after the big name guys are all off the board.

[mrtarheel]

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/ex_sun_ready_to_rise_on_broadway_AD5etD0cdoWuYJELk PBzsM

Look half way down and you see NY doesn't want Raymond either, he is asking to much money. He may be backing his way right back to Charlotte begging for them to take him back.

http://www.freep.com/article/20100704/SPORTS03/7040495/1051/

Rumored to be talking to Detriot seems as if they want Bynum at about 2 mill, who thinks Felton will take that? Felton's options are falling by the way side and I think he will come around but in the mean time in the nypost article a 3 way deal involving the Knicks, Minny and GSW is interesting as maybe we could get involved with either Lee or Jefferson perhaps.

[BRNC]

I'm not sure I get the love for Jefferson...he's slow, bad knees, and a poor passer with a very large contract...

[spectre]

NBA At 2: Charlotte's Dilemma - Bill Ingram (http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=16681)


Charlotte's Dilemma

The summer of 2010 is a turning point for quite a few NBA teams. It seems half of the teams in the league cleared cap space in hopes of luring one of the four or five top names in free agency, and the reality is that once those names are off the market there will be a few teams ready to overpay players in an effort to salvage an otherwise lost summer.

The Charlotte Bobcats were not among the teams having fire sales for cap space, but were instead pushing for their first-ever playoff berth this season. Unfortunately, making the playoffs next season could be a longshot, as the Bobcats are one of the teams that could fall victim to other teams with cap space to burn next week.

Raymond Felton was a restricted free agent last summer, and the Bobcats didn't feel any sense of urgency in negotiating with him. They let him test the waters, but as is often the case with restricted free agents, most teams just stayed away because they felt Charlotte would simply match any offer. This summer there is no such hesitation, as teams believe they can make Felton an offer the Bobcats won't want to match.

Just three days into free agency Felton is already one of the more in-demand players, and is considered to be the best point guard available. The Miami HEAT, New York Knicks, New Jersey Nets, Memphis Grizzlies and, surprisingly, the Dallas Mavericks have all been in touch with Felton's camp. The word is Felton's agent plans to reach out to the Detroit Pistons, too, as Detroit is looking to move Rodney Stuckey into more of a two-guard role and Felton could take over the point.

The issue for Charlotte is that they don't want to overpay Felton. He's a strong starting point guard, but he's not elite. He's not at the level of Rajon Rondo, Derrick Rose, or even Jameer Nelson - three players the Bobcats face on a regular basis. He is, however, quite a bit better than his back-up DJ Augustin, who took a big step backwards last season, and Augustin is the only other point guard on the roster.

Felton's camp is saying he's finished with Charlotte, but that they would be willing to work with the Bobcats in a sign-and-trade scenario. If the Bobcats do, indeed, lose Felton, it will set them back significantly. The fact that they could lose Tyrus Thomas to free agency, as well, makes a second consecutive playoff berth seem unlikely.

The Bobcats have some work to do.

[dnbman]

This is a bit frustrating. I'm wondering what a sign and trade could land us from one of those teams.

Detroit: Bynum?
Miami: BEASLEY???!!!
NY Knicks: Lee?
Memphis: has some interesting possibilities

What can actually work cap wise?

[spectre]

Going from memory we're right at 2 million under the cap with 11 players. We have to have 2 more (and until we do around 400k is assessed to our cap for each spot). We HAVE to have another PG, so figure there's one minimum (400k) and we'll probably have to have another big (Theo?) and that'd be about 700k.

That'd put us less than 1 million before the LT.

So as long as the incoming from a S&T Felton is less than 1 million bucks in salary we're good!

:p

If we S&T Felton for Chalmers then of course we wouldn't have to have the minimum PG. After we did that we're probably within a half million of the LT.

[Demon DeaCat]

I'm not sure I get the love for Jefferson...he's slow, bad knees, and a poor passer with a very large contract...

........and he also averaged 17 and 9. That's pretty hard to come by in this league. If we got him he'd instantly become the best post player we've ever had, by far. Plus he's only 25. He bounced back pretty well last year from the ACL, and while he does carry a hefty price tag, the combination of talent and youth would be well worth the risk IMO.

[ALuhrs704]

........and he also averaged 17 and 9. That's pretty hard to come by in this league. If we got him he'd instantly become the best post player we've ever had, by far. Plus he's only 25. He bounced back pretty well last year from the ACL, and while he does carry a hefty price tag, the combination of talent and youth would be well worth the risk IMO.

idk i like al, and he is way better then ne 1 we have in the post, but he is looking to me like an elton brand.......

[bbh2020]

Remember, we can exceed the luxury tax not, as long as we are under it by 6/30/11, we do not have to pay the tax.

That is what the Hornets did on draft night by trading Mo Pete and their pick to OKC.

The luxury tax will not hamper us in a side and trade this summer, as long as we move Nazr or Tyson at the trade deadline.

We can take back whatever we want for Felton.

[bbh2020]

sorry, my spelling really sucks in the above post.

[spectre]

Remember, we can exceed the luxury tax not, as long as we are under it by 6/30/11, we do not have to pay the tax.

That is what the Hornets did on draft night by trading Mo Pete and their pick to OKC.

The luxury tax will not hamper us in a side and trade this summer, as long as we move Nazr or Tyson at the trade deadline.

We can take back whatever we want for Felton.

If that was the way the FO was looking at it I doubt they'd be totally ignoring Felton coming back.

I argued that all thru the last few months...but it certainly appears Jordan isn't willing to take that risk...and it IS a risk. If we're sitting at 4-5 million over at the deadline and other teams with space know we really want to get under the LT just imagine what they'd be demanding.

[Demon DeaCat]

If that was the way the FO was looking at it I doubt they'd be totally ignoring Felton coming back.

I argued that all thru the last few months...but it certainly appears Jordan isn't willing to take that risk...and it IS a risk. If we're sitting at 4-5 million over at the deadline and other teams with space know we really want to get under the LT just imagine what they'd be demanding.

Exactly. I certainly wouldn't want to have to include Brown, Hendo or Lexi in a salary dump just because teams know we're desperate.

I hope MJ is willing to go over the tax, but if he does, I want him to do so deliberately, not hoping that we'll be able to get relief at the last minute. Stuff almost never works out nice and neat for us like that.

[SCBobcat]

If we're sitting at 4-5 million over at the deadline and other teams with space know we really want to get under the LT just imagine what they'd be demanding.
EXACTLY RIGHT.
$5 million over equals $5 million in taxes due and the loss of $5 million in revenue sharing that we would get if we are under. Plus count a few million in saved salary if we were to trade Tyson at the deadline and not have to pay that portion of his salary for the remainder of the season. That equals at least $13 million in savings if we trade Tyson at the deadline. If teams know we are desperate for that savings the best we can hope for is a 2nd round pick in a trade for Tyson. Think Marcus Camby from Golden State to the Clippers for a 2nd round pick. That is all we will get in a BEST case scenario. Thay may actually demand an asset from us.

[bbh2020]

all good points after my post.

it is a gamble for sure. is mj an gambling man?

or are they willing to let the next season coast to see what happens with the new cba?

[spectre]

Heck SCB, if you notice the last few salary dumps for expirings have actually cost assets. I figure at the very least we'd have to lose either DJ or Hendo and we'd probably be lucky if it were only one of those guys.

From Ingram's chat yesterday:


Jon in :
Are the Cats going to sit still & drop off next year? Seems a bad move for a strugglin team that just started to build a fanbase. Another losing year & the city will forget they where ever here(they barely know now). Where does Felton land?

http://www.hoopsworld.com/images/hw_icon.gif
Bill Ingram:

That's the situation, Jon, and as you probably know I do games in Charlotte every year and have gotten to know the team pretty well. I'd hate to see them lose Ray, and then for DJ to struggle as the starter . . .but that seems to be where they're headed.

Read more NBA news and insight: http://www.hoopsworld.com/chat.asp?chat_topics_id=1044&status=Inactive#ixzz0svF0DIVy

[teej]

is mj an gambling man?

LOL.

10char

[spectre]

A couple tweets about Felton:

MIA, NY, NJ like Felton, but all three won’t solidify plans to meet or make offer until LJ, DW or CB make decisions, (http://twitter.com/SpearsNBAYahoo/status/17896669229) league source tells Y! Twitter (http://twitter.com/SpearsNBAYahoo/status/17896669229)


Heat has had contact with Raymond Felton, but agent Tony Dutt just said there is no visit planned until the overall picture clears up (http://twitter.com/IraHeatBeat/status/17888092995). Twitter (http://twitter.com/IraHeatBeat/status/17888092995)



I continually see the Nets mentioned. Why is that? I don't see Felton wanting to be anyone's backup so long as he could get a starting gig. Think they're trying to replace Harris? Why would they?

[teej]

Think they're trying to replace Harris? Why would they?

Avery Johnson...

[murphman]

If the reports of Bosh and Wade to Miami are true (both at max deals), I'm not really sure the Heat can afford Felton plus the other 4-6 players they will need to sign to meet the minimum roster requirements.

If Miami does get the big two, I wonder if MJ will loosen his "no luxury tax" stance a little and at least go above the threshold to start the season with the hopes that a mid-season trade could get him back under it. If so, a sign and trade with NJ for Devin Harris is possible although I don't like his contract having three more years to it plus it sends a strong message to DJ that we have little faith (both short term and long term) that you will improve.

[dav7z]

If the reports of Bosh and Wade to Miami are true (both at max deals), I'm not really sure the Heat can afford Felton plus the other 4-6 players they will need to sign to meet the minimum roster requirements.

If Miami does get the big two, I wonder if MJ will loosen his "no luxury tax" stance a little and at least go above the threshold to start the season with the hopes that a mid-season trade could get him back under it. If so, a sign and trade with NJ for Devin Harris is possible although I don't like his contract having three more years to it plus it sends a strong message to DJ that we have little faith (both short term and long term) that you will improve.

The Heat and the Knicks was just reported on news 14 . as being instrested in Felton
News 14 all so reported LB has more viger than he has had in years . Higgens stating with just a few more TWEEKS/?? Brown thinks we can contend for the east??


Im seeing three players as very expendable. Diaw , TC , Nazz
Ive all so heard rumor of a upgrade at the point position for a while now.
Its no way in hell Brown is going to start the season with DJ and thease guys in the summer league . Brown likes experiance to much.

[GoBobs]

Hopefully the Heat will land Haywood as well leaving them not enough money to go after Felton. The Knicks are rumored to prefer Luke R.

That would leave the Nets and Bulls. I doubt either of those teams wants to pay Raymond more then a deal just above the mid level.

[spectre]

Higgens stating with just a few more TWEEKS/?? Brown thinks we can contend for the east??

I want some of what he's smoking. :cool:

[dav7z]

I want some of what he's smoking. :cool:

It does seem far fetched to make a statment like that with what we have right now.
But Brown all most changed the whole team last year calling it TWEEKS?
You can take this to the bank. Its no way in hell any of thease summer league points makes Browns rotation next year. If we don't keep Felton Brown will make a trade some way or another.

[ALuhrs704]

felton is not the starting point guard we need. does everybody here really want to keep him? i think getting exposed by jameer was enough for me to see. personally, im really hoping for DJ to turn it around because after year 1 everyone was ready to see him being a starting pg. but now he is a career backup??

[dav7z]

felton is not the starting point guard we need. does everybody here really want to keep him? i think getting exposed by jameer was enough for me to see. personally, im really hoping for DJ to turn it around because after year 1 everyone was ready to see him being a starting pg. but now he is a career backup??

Either way about DJ what ever Brown thinks. All im saying is Brown is going to have more talent at point in both roles than any thing we have shown in the summer league.

[Chef]

felton is not the starting point guard we need. does everybody here really want to keep him? i think getting exposed by jameer was enough for me to see. personally, im really hoping for DJ to turn it around because after year 1 everyone was ready to see him being a starting pg. but now he is a career backup??

i don't think we keep him unless he wants to take much less money than what we were talking last year. if i were him, i would seriously consider, a 3 year offer for less money with the knicks. use d'inflation to average 15/10+ per game and in 3 years get paid big. he would produce big time in that system. if the knicks could get him and ray allen for 3 years with amare, gallinari, wilson chandler, (maybe melo next year), maybe re-sign david lee and run run run they could put up 115-120 points per game easy. felton's stats would be huge.

[spectre]

felton is not the starting point guard we need. does everybody here really want to keep him? i think getting exposed by jameer was enough for me to see. personally, im really hoping for DJ to turn it around because after year 1 everyone was ready to see him being a starting pg. but now he is a career backup??

No...not everyone.

No matter what you think about DJ having a better season in year 1 (I don't...he SHOT better, bet he in no way, shape or form ran the team near as well), there's no way you can think DJ played better defensively than Felton in year 1 or in year 2...and that was usually against the bench.

You point out that Felton getting exposed by Nelson was enough for you...yet you're advocating for a weaker defender to start? That doesn't make a lot of sense.

Either way I don't think it matters as Felton is most likely gone.

[jdub28]

Why wasn't DJ in Summer League? I know we need to find other PG but if he is gonna be our starter shouldn't we get him some work?

[GoBobs]

Players with 2yrs experience cannot participate. Only reason Ajinca can play is because of the injury he had last year.

Felton didn't get torched by Nelson, the whole team did. Felton mostly got picked off by screens, it wasn't like a one on one situation. He didn't play great but same can be said for a lot of our guys and a lot of guys there first time in the playoffs for that matter. Look at Dudley and Fry for the suns. They shoot lights out from 3 all year yet in the first round of the playoffs they couldn't buy a bucket.

For me it's all about the price. If Felton signs somewhere else for 6 mil I will be pissed we didn't sign him for that. If it's 7-9 I will understand why we didn't sign him. If it's 10 or more I will be glad we didn't sign him. I don't mind paying players what they are worth but am totally opposed to overpaying or paying for potential.

[Weezy21]

Hopefully the Heat will land Haywood as well leaving them not enough money to go after Felton. The Knicks are rumored to prefer Luke R.

That would leave the Nets and Bulls. I doubt either of those teams wants to pay Raymond more then a deal just above the mid level.

Ya its coming down to who else the heat sign...right now its us vs. the heat in terms of getting felton back...i really dont want felton just cuz he wouldn't be a good long term answer...but on the other hand i dont want dj to be our starter...don't really think devin harris is an upgrade either...he shoots worse then felton from 3 point land

man i sure hope brown has a trick up his sleeve

[dnbman]

Ya its coming down to who else the heat sign...right now its us vs. the heat in terms of getting felton back...i really dont want felton just cuz he wouldn't be a good long term answer...but on the other hand i dont want dj to be our starter...don't really think devin harris is an upgrade either...he shoots worse then felton from 3 point land

man i sure hope brown has a trick up his sleeve

I wonder if Felton would sign for a little less to play in Miami where he'll have little pressure to create offense and a great shot at a title. He could focus on defending the opposing pg and score only when he needs to.

Miami might be an ideal fit for him.

[Scottley Crue]

I wonder if Felton would sign for a little less to play in Miami where he'll have little pressure to create offense and a great shot at a title. He could focus on defending the opposing pg and score only when he needs to.

Miami might be an ideal fit for him.
I think he'd fit in quite nicely in Miami, too. Just depends on if his focus is to get paid or be part (and I think he could be a big part) of very good team.

[SWedd523]

I think he'd fit in quite nicely in Miami, too. Just depends on if his focus is to get paid or be part (and I think he could be a big part) of very good team.

Why? He's be a horrible fit in Miami. Wade Dominates the ball. If he doesn't have it, it'll be in Bosh's hands. They need to be surrounded by shooters moreso than a guy like Felton.

Wade and Ray Allen as a backcourt would be much better than Wade and Felton. Especially considering that Allen should be cheaper

[thesnowman22]

You know, ive been on both sides of this, but ive decided that if you dont wanna try to win, dont have a team. we arent gonna get a better pg, and with dj as the starteer, we are not as good. we need to sign felton if the relationship isnt damaged beyond repair.

[CatNation]

I agree with the guy who says Felton wouldn't in Miami. They need to get elite shooters everywhere. Hell I bet theyd love to take DJ off our hands way more than Felton

[dnbman]

Why? He's be a horrible fit in Miami. Wade Dominates the ball. If he doesn't have it, it'll be in Bosh's hands. They need to be surrounded by shooters moreso than a guy like Felton.

Wade and Ray Allen as a backcourt would be much better than Wade and Felton. Especially considering that Allen should be cheaper

When Felton doesn't have his brain scrambled, he's a pretty good shooter, as he showed last year and his final year at UNC. I think if he was asked to do less in Miami, he would be a nice pairing with Wade, especially on the defensive side of the ball. Wade and Felton both have good enough shots from outside that they couldn't be left open. Felton's no three point champion, but he's good enough.

[Scottley Crue]

Why? He's be a horrible fit in Miami. Wade Dominates the ball. If he doesn't have it, it'll be in Bosh's hands. They need to be surrounded by shooters moreso than a guy like Felton.

Wade and Ray Allen as a backcourt would be much better than Wade and Felton. Especially considering that Allen should be cheaper
I'm definitely thinking on the defensive side of the ball that he and Wade would be a very good pairing. Felton's just a bulldog defensively and I think his shot, while not likely to win any shooting contests, has improved to the point that you need to pay attention to him.

Look at part of how Felton improved this year, especially with the addition of Jax. He had more options and other people (Jax, Boris) looking to make plays as well. He was asked to do a little less and he was able to be more efficent. With that, having the ability to hand off to Wade and Bosh and focus on defense and canning open shots is a role I think Felton can slide into nicely.

[CatNation]

I doubt theyd want Felton for his defense, its not like Chris Bosh is gonna be comin over to block shots when Felton gets blown by every time by Jameer Rose and Rondo every game in the playoffs

[BobcatsBall]

How much can we possibly afford to pay felton without going over the luxury tax?

[GoBobs]

Depends on what the cap is. We really need to make a minor move to free up some money. One possible trade could be Nazr for Rasheed who then retires freeing up 7 mil for us next year. It would be good for Boston because Perkins is out the first part of the year and when he comes back they could trade Nazr's expiring contract if they want to.

[mrtarheel]

We need to somehow see if we can get Beasley in a trade or maybe a sign and trade of Felton for Beasley and Chalmers. They are going to be strong with Bosh and Wade but in order to get Lebron they need to make space. Now is the time for the trade.

[CatNation]

We need to somehow see if we can get Beasley in a trade or maybe a sign and trade of Felton for Beasley and Chalmers. They are going to be strong with Bosh and Wade but in order to get Lebron they need to make space. Now is the time for the trade.

You really wanna be the team that ruins the NBA for the next 8 years for Michael Beasley?

[ChuckHayes69]

You really wanna be the team that ruins the NBA for the next 8 years for Michael Beasley?

If it means having a viable threat to score from the post for the first time in franchise history, sign me up.

[ajbry]

If it means having a viable threat to score from the post for the first time in franchise history, sign me up.

I don't see how trading for Michael Beasley relates to that.

[Muttley]

I don't see how trading for Michael Beasley relates to that.
Well, it gives Miami even more cap room. Then, even if they don't get their 3rd max contract guy, they can still get the best of the rest to fill in around Wade and Bosh.

I assume this is what he means.

[ajbry]

Oh, that's a given.

I was just saying the Beasley isn't a post player.

[Muttley]

Oh, that's a given.

I was just saying the Beasley isn't a post player.
Oh, Ha! My bad.

Carry on....

[mrtarheel]

You really wanna be the team that ruins the NBA for the next 8 years for Michael Beasley?

This is going to happen regardless if we get him or not, why not get something you can use out of it while the getting is good instead of sit back and just get ur but kick while being able to put up a decent fight

[SWedd523]

Because Beasley is a bum.

[ChuckHayes69]

Beasley isn't just a post player, no. But he can score effectively from the post, as well as spread the floor and hit jumpers. Say what you want about his attitude and whatever else, but he would help this team and has the potential to be the best player on the team if he gets his head right. This is the type of opportunity that you have to go after if you're the Bobcats. We're not going to get Melo or CP3 or any of the stars to come here any time soon, so we have to take shots on guys like this if we want to even make it back to the postseason let alone even dream of contending. How many of you were unhappy with Jackson when we traded for him? Probably a lot, but I bet nobody is now. You gotta take a shot when you're a mediocre team that's up against the luxury tax and has few other possibilities of improvement.

[DY_nasty]

Beasley isn't just a post player, no. But he can score effectively from the post, as well as spread the floor and hit jumpers. Say what you want about his attitude and whatever else, but he would help this team and has the potential to be the best player on the team if he gets his head right. This is the type of opportunity that you have to go after if you're the Bobcats. We're not going to get Melo or CP3 or any of the stars to come here any time soon, so we have to take shots on guys like this if we want to even make it back to the postseason let alone even dream of contending. How many of you were unhappy with Jackson when we traded for him? Probably a lot, but I bet nobody is now. You gotta take a shot when you're a mediocre team that's up against the luxury tax and has few other possibilities of improvement.
If any rookie was going to succeed, it was going to be in Miami next to mvpmodeWade. No better situation for young player to succeed. Beasley can't do it. I'm not on board with this at all.

[dnbman]

If any rookie was going to succeed, it was going to be in Miami next to mvpmodeWade. No better situation for young player to succeed. Beasley can't do it. I'm not on board with this at all.

Why do you think that?

I actually think playing in Miami next to such a superstar might have been terrible for a guy who already thought of himself as a superstar. Charlotte would be a much more tame place with a collection of blue collar players supporting him and Larry Brown as the coach.

I think given that it's a two year commitment, it's well worth the risk.

[ChuckHayes69]

Why do you think that?

I actually think playing in Miami next to such a superstar might have been terrible for a guy who already thought of himself as a superstar. Charlotte would be a much more tame place with a collection of blue collar players supporting him and Larry Brown as the coach.

I think given that it's a two year commitment, it's well worth the risk.

Agreed....a young guy with a questionable attitude getting millions of dollars and put in South Beach doesn't spell lock to me. Larry Brown, Charlotte, Michael Jordan, and maybe Gerald Wallace seem like a much better fit for a guy like Beasley. Plus the way they seem to be shopping him around and having some trouble might spark some determination in him. I'll carry the Beasley debate over to the Beasley thread now, but just wanted to respond to those last 2 posts.

[ammofan]

Agreed....a young guy with a questionable attitude getting millions of dollars and put in South Beach doesn't spell lock to me. Larry Brown, Charlotte, Michael Jordan, and maybe Gerald Wallace seem like a much better fit for a guy like Beasley. Plus the way they seem to be shopping him around and having some trouble might spark some determination in him. I'll carry the Beasley debate over to the Beasley thread now, but just wanted to respond to those last 2 posts.

Yea plus Beasley was being forced to be the number 2 guy right away. Here he won have to be the #1, 2, 3 or maybe even 4th option. He can take a step back, develop and still contribute to a Playoff team.

[DY_nasty]

oh my god....

[Chef]

ballwhore here. i just got word that ray felton has been interviewing multiple team's d-league scouts in chapel hill at the unc practice facility. he has announced a 1 hour special to reveal his choice. it can be seen on the wb network next monday at 3:45 am immediately following a 30 minute paid advertising for the shamwow. all proceeds will go to the "Sean May Foundation for Washed up, Obese, Lazy waste of space ballers who can't read good".

there are some reports he may join tyrus thomas and adam morrison with the clippers.

[DY_nasty]

Yea plus Beasley was being forced to be the number 2 guy right away. Here he won have to be the #1, 2, 3 or maybe even 4th option. He can take a step back, develop and still contribute to a Playoff team.
Take a step back and develop? LOL

Imagine anyone next to wade in their first two seasons. Its free wide open buckets all game long.

Remember the last guy that couldn't succeed when given every chance in the world to? Big white guy, the next Larry Bird?

[ammofan]

Take a step back and develop? LOL

Imagine anyone next to wade in their first two seasons. Its free wide open buckets all game long.

Remember the last guy that couldn't succeed when given every chance in the world to? Big white guy, the next Larry Bird?

How the heck was Morrison given EVERY chance. I can see how someone may say Beas was given that because he started at least. Adam played one solid year, off the bench...then he got hurt and was not given a fair chance.

[Fred Williamson]

https://twitter.com/SpearsNBAYahoo/status/18146701714

[etothet]

http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/68019/20100709/knicks_close_on_multi_year_deal_for_felton/

[spectre]

I read on the Knicks' board this morning that an ESPN radio show was saying that Felton was willing to sign a 4/28 deal I think.

Figured it'd happen pretty quick with NY...even if Amare' did say he wanted Ridnour. Heh, even said Ridnour was "Steve Nash Lite". :facepalm:

Edit:

Had the wrong amount.