What to do with diaw?

[Cats4lif3]

There have been a few threads an numerous posts about diaw. I for one think he is amazing when playing to his potentila but he does that once out of every doZen games. Sothe question is what to do with diaw????

[spectre]

There have been a few threads an numerous posts about diaw. I for one think he is amazing when playing to his potentila but he does that once out of every doZen games. Sothe question is what to do with diaw????

To Toronto for Jack & Evans. :p

I can think of seriously worse deals. Another would be sending him to Cleveland for Mo Williams...but I don't know why they'd do that after acquiring Jamison.

Putting him in a backup role would be an extremely expensive thing to do and I'm not sure he would be disgruntled and play even worse. I think we pretty much have to move him if he's not the starter.

[Plowright]

Diaw knows our system now, hes gonna go through pre season with jax. All im thinking is that maybe we shouldnt right him off right now. Diaw had a below par year, yes but doesnt mean we trade him straight off, maybe just give our team so gel time for once in the last two Larry Brown reigned years lol

[Muttley]

To Toronto for Jack & Evans. :p

I can think of seriously worse deals. Another would be sending him to Cleveland for Mo Williams...but I don't know why they'd do that after acquiring Jamison.

Putting him in a backup role would be an extremely expensive thing to do and I'm not sure he would be disgruntled and play even worse. I think we pretty much have to move him if he's not the starter.
Diaw for Jefferson works straight up. Saves Minnie some money?
I came up with a 3way with Minn and Tor, too.

Minn gets:
Hedo & Nazr

Tor gets:
(rid of Hedo) & Diaw & Webster (can Minn trade him yet? - tradechecker seemed to think so*)

Cha gets:
Jefe & Jack

I think that would work for everyone.

Edit:
*Cannot be traded until Aug. 24th.
The trade works replacing Webster with Sessions. I still think each team would be satisfied with such a trade.

[spectre]

I "think" traded players can only be re-traded by themselves (remember the NY rumors about Boris & Raja?).

I'd be all over that trade, but it looks too good for us. I could be overrating Al Jeff's value though; supposedly teams are still concerned about his knee.

[K1NGofAKR0N]

tyrus better start over him

[ammofan]

Cut him......

lol, We just need to trade him somehow. Tyrus proved during the playoffs that he is the superior player and I want him starting. Maybe we can Sign and trade Felts packaged with Diaw to acquire a great point guard?

[Plowright]

dj & diaw for Tony Parker works salery wise. Dont know if i like it tho

[Cats4lif3]

I thought about this, knocks need a point and coach mike loves diaw, I have know idea if this would work but

Knicks get diaw and Felton
cats get David lee

[Plowright]

I thought about this, knocks need a point and coach mike loves diaw, I have know idea if this would work but

Knicks get diaw and Felton
cats get David lee

I like that, would have to be a S&T with lee tho as hes a free agent, just depends how BIG his contract would be

[Cats4lif3]

Think it would help both teams out but doutbful it'll never happen

[Black]

we just have to keep our fingers crossed that he can play like he did when he came here from Phoenix

[GoBobs]

Keep Diaw he is good. He can play multiple positions and would be a great 6th man off the bench if he was comfortable with that roll. If we lose him I think we go back to not enough ball movement and an even worse offense.

[ND22]

If we can get a good deal for him, trade him. If not, I'm okay with him being on the team although I hope Tyrus can make enough strides in Larry Brown's eyes to warrant getting the start over Diaw.

[Ghost Kat]

we just have to keep our fingers crossed that he can play like he did when he came here from Phoenix

You mean when he play'd good for like 20 games then fell off the rest of the season? Thats Diaw, He's done that every season for every team he has play'd for. To me theres no real defense left for keeping Boris, Trade him, I don't care who the Cats get in return

[Black]

You mean when he play'd good for like 20 games then fell off the rest of the season? Thats Diaw, He's done that every season for every team he has play'd for. To me theres no real defense left for keeping Boris, Trade him, I don't care who the Cats get in return


he played pretty damn well over the entire 59 game span

last 25 games of the 2008-2009 season:

15.5 ppg
4.9 rpg
4.7 apg

id hardly call that falling off

[Ghost Kat]

he played pretty damn well over the entire 59 game span

last 25 games of the 2008-2009 season:

15.5 ppg
4.9 rpg
4.7 apg

id hardly call that falling off

Show me his first 25

[DY_nasty]

he played pretty damn well over the entire 59 game span

last 25 games of the 2008-2009 season:

15.5 ppg
4.9 rpg
4.7 apg

id hardly call that falling off
Did you see him play? How did HE not fall off? lol

He's one of the few Bobcats to ever get booed in Time Warner Arena.

[Black]

Did you see him play? How did HE not fall off? lol

He's one of the few Bobcats to ever get booed in Time Warner Arena.


you are saying he fell off during the 59 games he played during the 08-09 season?

as for the first 25 games he played for us

14.6 ppg
6.9 rpg
5.2 apg

where is this drop off you guys are talking about? his points and assists went up, and his rebounds went down

do you want me to average the nine games in between too?

[DY_nasty]

you are saying he fell off during the 59 games he played during the 08-09 season?

as for the first 25 games he played for us

14.6 ppg
6.9 rpg
5.2 apg

where is this drop off you guys are talking about? his points and assists went up, and his rebounds went down

do you want me to average the nine games in between too?...but did you see him play?

[Black]

yes, and i realize he is inconsistent, and unmotivated, and if it were up to me, we would trade him

but like i said in my first post in this thread, the best we can hope for, is him playing like he did when we first got him, and not like last year when he was just a chubby pussy....no one is going to trade for him

[Weezy21]

found this on a golden state message board

"How about Ellis to the Bobcats for DJ Augustin and Boris Diaw. Ellis and Jackson worked to a point here in GS and would probably be better in the East. Raymond Felton is an unrestricted free agent and the Cats may not want to shell out big money for him. Ellis, Jackson and Wallace would make a nice trio with Chandler in the middle. Ajinca maybe able to start at the PF position as well.

For the Warriors, this gives them a much shorter contract in Diaw, who has 2 years left and $18M which is very manageable. He's a SF/PF that can play alongside Randolph. Diaw can also play some center like he did in Phoenix. He's 28 years old and still has at least 4 years left of good basketball. He's a true point forward and can guard nearly every position. The versatility and size this team needs. The kicker would be Augustin. A former lottery pick that can come off the bench for Curry."

http://www.goldenstwarriors.com/viewtopic.php?t=9311&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15

ummm yes please

[teej]

found this on a golden state message board

"How about Ellis to the Bobcats for DJ Augustin and Boris Diaw. Ellis and Jackson worked to a point here in GS and would probably be better in the East. Raymond Felton is an unrestricted free agent and the Cats may not want to shell out big money for him. Ellis, Jackson and Wallace would make a nice trio with Chandler in the middle. Ajinca maybe able to start at the PF position as well.

For the Warriors, this gives them a much shorter contract in Diaw, who has 2 years left and $18M which is very manageable. He's a SF/PF that can play alongside Randolph. Diaw can also play some center like he did in Phoenix. He's 28 years old and still has at least 4 years left of good basketball. He's a true point forward and can guard nearly every position. The versatility and size this team needs. The kicker would be Augustin. A former lottery pick that can come off the bench for Curry."

http://www.goldenstwarriors.com/viewtopic.php?t=9311&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15

ummm yes please

Hell yes.

I'll toss in Brown or Ajinca if they want them.

[Black]

lol, ajinca starting at the 4

[Toocool]

Ellis for Diaw and DJ? I wouldn't mind it except for 2 things....

1. Ellis needs the ball to be effective, as does Cpt Jack. Sure he's a great scorer, but the amount of possessions going to Captain and Ellis would be a huge amount.

2. Ellis is like a Red Hot Chilli Pepper. You have no idea what he's going to do.

3. He's got a massively fat contract. HUGEEEEE contract. I would think about it before biting...although the prospect of getting rid of Diaw is pretty interesting :)

[teej]

Ellis for Diaw and DJ? I wouldn't mind it except for 2 things....

1. Ellis needs the ball to be effective, as does Cpt Jack. Sure he's a great scorer, but the amount of possessions going to Captain and Ellis would be a huge amount.

2. Ellis is like a Red Hot Chilli Pepper. You have no idea what he's going to do.

3. He's got a massively fat contract. HUGEEEEE contract. I would think about it before biting...although the prospect of getting rid of Diaw is pretty interesting :)

1. He and Jack managed quite well with the Dubs. And they had more ball hogs on that team. As long as Crash gets the other touches, Tyrus and Tyson can make a living off put backs and be happy.

2. And Jack and Tyrus aren't?

3. Yes, but it saves us from either overpaying Ray or spending the MLE on Luke Ridnour or the like.

[DY_nasty]

I don't want to see Monta, Hedo, or Jefferson on this team... ugh, 3 of the most overrated, overpaid guys in the league.

[Weezy21]

lol, ajinca starting at the 4

ya i was thinking the same thing


1. Ellis needs the ball to be effective, as does Cpt Jack. Sure he's a great scorer, but the amount of possessions going to Captain and Ellis would be a huge amount.

2. Ellis is like a Red Hot Chilli Pepper. You have no idea what he's going to do.

i can't remember where it was posted but jackson loves monta and calls him his little brother...i think it could work

later on that message board, somebody else said

"I am just saying that Monta does not appeal to all the teams. He would have to go to a specific team.

A team that is already a solid defensive team that could make up for his deficiencys.
A team with veteran leadership so he can just fit into a role"

Our defense is awesome and we got vets in wallace and jack...this would give us instant offense and we would seriously become a hard team to game plan around...plus we have expirings we can still trade for other pieces

[DY_nasty]

He still can't shoot though. Just add him to the list of slashers and guys on the team who can't shoot beyond 18 ft. He's not a point guard by any stretch either...

[Plowright]

hmmmmmmmmmm, think it would be risky, could go well however could turn into a disaster, if we were to trade for ellis i would want to keep diaw as he wud prob be the next best passer.

[ammofan]

How is Monta overrated? He averaged like 26 ppg last year didn't he? I dont care what kinda offense he was in, Warriors, Timberwolves, Lakers, Bobcats.....If you average 26 a game, your great.
Monta is alot better than Joe Johnson imo.

[GoBobs]

Ellis = team killer

Same goes for Al Jefferson and to a lesser extent Stephen Jackson. I really don't want any of these guys that are all about themselves. Obviously it isn't working out for there current teams.

Diaw may not put up the stats that Monta or Al Jefferson does but his play has more of a positive impact on the other guys.

Diaw might pass up some shots but the flip side is a player who keeps taking shots when he is off. When is the last time Diaw went 6-18, never. Jackson did it twice in four playoff games, not to mention his 2-11 team killing performance in game 4.

[DY_nasty]

How is Monta overrated? He averaged like 26 ppg last year didn't he? I dont care what kinda offense he was in, Warriors, Timberwolves, Lakers, Bobcats.....If you average 26 a game, your great.
Monta is alot better than Joe Johnson imo.
1) he can't shoot
2) he's not a good passer
3) he's not efficient
4) he's never been asked to do anything other than score, doesn't understand team play at all
5) he's a crappy man defender, portland used to pop bottles before each game they played. Brandon Roy (or any decent shooting guard for that matter) owns his soul
6) he's undersized
7) he's immature as hell
8 and on have to do with why he'd not help with the bobcats...

8) he can't shoot - adding to our list of people who can't shoot
9) he's not a passer, or pg by any stretch. assuming felton leaves and we use dj and diaw to get monta, we have no true passers on the team at all
10) he can't guard anyone. If playoff-jameer did Ray in, then I'd hate to think what'd happen to Monta if he were tasked with keeping someone out the paint
11) he's immature as hell. the team has always had a bunch of high character guys until now, I don't want to see it mucked up with headcases and timebombs
12) that contract. o.m.g. it makes more sense to just keep ray

Edit: You did NOT just say that Ellis is better than Joe Johnson. I'm not even going to address that nonsense...

[GoBobs]

How is Monta overrated? He averaged like 26 ppg last year didn't he? I dont care what kinda offense he was in, Warriors, Timberwolves, Lakers, Bobcats.....If you average 26 a game, your great.
Monta is alot better than Joe Johnson imo.

Monta doesn't have a position. He is an undersized 2 guard who cannot defend other 2s. Monta couldn't carry Joe Johnsons Jock strap.

[Chef]

How is Monta overrated? He averaged like 26 ppg last year didn't he? I dont care what kinda offense he was in, Warriors, Timberwolves, Lakers, Bobcats.....If you average 26 a game, your great. o.

couldn't be more wrong

[Black]

couldn't be more wrong

yeah, not big on the monta idea....it seems decent on the surface, but the more i think about it, the more it seems like a train wreck waiting to happen.

[Chrystos]

I do like Ellis way more than Felton, but a would rather sign a PG like Ramon Session.

[ammofan]

I get the feeling that im not allowed an opinion here anymore...

And yes Monta>Joe Johnson

[DY_nasty]

I get the feeling that im not allowed an opinion here anymore...

And yes Monta>Joe Johnson
An opinion is an opinion. Feel free to express it - but also expect to see it catch flak. My opinions are as unpopular as ever, but at least I defend them with something that makes a little bit of sense to everyone.

I'm still trying to think of any one area where Monta is a better than Joe Johnson other than speed...

[Cats4lif3]

Ellis = team killer

Same goes for Al Jefferson and to a lesser extent Stephen Jackson. I really don't want any of these guys that are all about themselves. Obviously it isn't working out for there current teams.

Diaw may not put up the stats that Monta or Al Jefferson does but his play has more of a positive impact on the other guys.

Diaw might pass up some shots but the flip side is a player who keeps taking shots when he is off. When is the last time Diaw went 6-18, never. Jackson did it twice in four playoff games, not to mention his 2-11 team killing performance in game 4.

Two things I'll say about diaw he half asses everything in games and he has to have the most CLUTCH turnovers in not just the NBA but all sports.

I thinkvit wa against the bulls or toronto or the bucks one of them in November and it's tied with ten second left:
Diaw dribbles up to halfcourt does a no look pass to a wide open Felton and throws it straight out of bounds (diaw had know one near him and we lost that game)
this moment and a few others are when I lost my respect for the man, how can you have all that talent and not care or try.

[Toocool]

1. He and Jack managed quite well with the Dubs. And they had more ball hogs on that team. As long as Crash gets the other touches, Tyrus and Tyson can make a living off put backs and be happy.

2. And Jack and Tyrus aren't?

3. Yes, but it saves us from either overpaying Ray or spending the MLE on Luke Ridnour or the like.


1. The point I'm getting here is that they're both INEFFICIENT scorers. I don't mind the our back (or is it front court? I always get confused with this part) court getting most of the touches, but both of them on an off-shooting night spells game over (4-35 *facepalm*).

2. That's the thing. Jack and Ellis might have worked together well, but adding TT into the mix? It's like an explosion waiting to happen. Sure Gdub commands bucketloads of respect in that locker room, but can he control TT, Ellis and Jack? Not to mention Ellis is extremely immature.

3. I rather have Ridnour than Ellis. Ridnour is solid, and can actually defend. He's smart, and efficient. Ellis, not a good passer, not efficient, undersized, he couldn't even guard a fly if his life depended on it, as it'll probably dunk on him as it slashes slowly to the lane.

[teej]

Two things I'll say about diaw he half asses everything in games and he has to have the most CLUTCH turnovers in not just the NBA but all sports.

I thinkvit wa against the bulls or toronto or the bucks one of them in November and it's tied with ten second left:
Diaw dribbles up to halfcourt does a no look pass to a wide open Felton and throws it straight out of bounds (diaw had know one near him and we lost that game)
this moment and a few others are when I lost my respect for the man, how can you have all that talent and not care or try.

LMAO. I've never heard clutch TO's before.

But you're forgetting the worst of all. Against Indy in the fall, he gets the inbounds pass with like 1.7 left, and passes to DJ.

[Fred Williamson]

Cut him......

lol, We just need to trade him somehow. Tyrus proved during the playoffs that he is the superior player and I want him starting.

some of you people are too funny. TT didn't prove ANYTHING in the playoffs, or in the past 3 years. He had a lot of opportunities, but he showed again and again and that he can't be a starting PF in this league.

I have no problem with TT being our sixth man, but making him a starter on this already god awful offensive team will send us straight to the lottery....with no picks.


I do like Ellis way more than Felton, but a would rather sign a PG like Ramon Session.another point guard who can't shoot to save his life. yeah, that's what we need right now.


found this on a golden state message board

"How about Ellis to the Bobcats for DJ Augustin and Boris Diaw. Ellis and Jackson worked to a point here in GS and would probably be better in the East. Raymond Felton is an unrestricted free agent and the Cats may not want to shell out big money for him. Ellis, Jackson and Wallace would make a nice trio with Chandler in the middle. Ajinca maybe able to start at the PF position as well.

For the Warriors, this gives them a much shorter contract in Diaw, who has 2 years left and $18M which is very manageable. He's a SF/PF that can play alongside Randolph. Diaw can also play some center like he did in Phoenix. He's 28 years old and still has at least 4 years left of good basketball. He's a true point forward and can guard nearly every position. The versatility and size this team needs. The kicker would be Augustin. A former lottery pick that can come off the bench for Curry."

http://www.goldenstwarriors.com/viewtopic.php?t=9311&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15

ummm yes please

adding Ellis to this team would give the worst shooting, most inefficient backcourt in the league with the most turnovers in the history of basketball. I can already picture Jax, Ellis, CHandler and Diaw turning over the ball on any possesion.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

Cut him......

lol, We just need to trade him somehow. Tyrus proved during the playoffs that he is the superior player and I want him starting. Maybe we can Sign and trade Felts packaged with Diaw to acquire a great point guard?ammofan, a sign and trade of Felton has always been what I feel is in the best interest of the Bobcats. However I am not sure doing so is going to ensure we get much of an improvement at pg. It is not like Felton is a slouch. He is a middle of the pack pg and most of what is out there to replace him are middle of the pack pg's.

If people think that players like Jarret Jack and TJ Ford are a big step up from Raymond they really haven't paid any attention to these players careers.

I would love if the Bobcats could make a blockbuster trade but I don't see it. There is a chance we can rid ourselves of Diop and/or Diaw but we can't jump the gun and trade them for the sake of trading them. The best thing our organization could do is to hold off on any trades till at least fifteen to twenty games into next season. Let us see what we have at that point. That is unless we sign and trade Raymond which would ensure he does not just leave for nothing. I hate the idea of an organization putting so much into a player only to have them leave the organization high and dry.

In a perfect world one of the pg's from our summer league will be a diamond in the rough or at least a solid addition to our team. In a perfect world having another young pg to compete with DJ would improve both and the best man would win the starting job and starting minutes.

Also, we need to see how our two draft picks from last season play and what kind of contributions they can bring. Since they hardly got any minutes the best thing that could happen is that we see them help our team exponentially.

It will be interesting to see what happens in the coming months.

[Ghost Kat]

I just wanted to take the time out of my busy day to express how much I hate Boris Diaw....

I hate him....

I feel better.

[BRNC]

I've watched "Doris" since the day he came into the league...and he is exactly the same player...you look look up "frustrating" in the dictionary and his picture is next to it...

He is a "classic" player that thinks they're better than they are, does not need to work to get better, and shows up to play (if you're lucky) for half the games...those are my reasons for wishing he'd never been brought here...as to the question of TT being a "better" option...that I do not know...but I will say that he "appears" to show up ready to play each game...

[GoBobs]

You guys are forgetting all the great games he had for us last year:

Oct 30th vs NYK 17pts 11reb 6ast 2stl 2blk
Nov 7th @ CHI 20pts 7 reb 5ast 3stl 1blk
Nov 14th vs POR 21pts 6 reb 4ast 1stl
Nov 16th @ ORL 21pts 3 reb 1ast 2stl 1blk
Nov 22nd vs IND 17pts 7 reb 4ast
Dec 5th vs PHI 28pts 5 reb 2ast 1stl 2blk
Jan 12th vs HOU 19pts 7 reb 6ast 1stl 3blk
Jan 15th vs SAS 26pts 11reb 2ast 2blk
Jan 26th @ PHX 24pts 11reb 5ast 1stl 1blk
Feb 9th vs WAS 16pts 4 reb 2ast 1stl
Feb 10th @ MIN 15pts 5 reb 5ast 3blk
Feb 16th vs NJN 19pts 10reb 3ast 1stl 2blk
Feb 19th vs CLE 18pts 5 reb 9ast 1stl 1blk
Feb 22nd @ LAC 20pts 9 reb 9ast
Feb 26th @ MEM 18pts 5 reb 1ast 1stl
Mar 1st vs DAL 15pts 4 reb 2ast 1blk
Mar 6th vs GSW 14pts 12reb 9ast
Mar 10th @ PHI 13pts 2 reb 1ast 2stl
Mar 12th vs LAC 16pts 4 reb 5ast
Mar 16th @ IND 20pts 5 reb 4ast 1blk
Mar 23rd @ WAS 17pts 3 reb 1ast 2stl
Apr 3rd @ CHI 18pts 7 reb 6ast 2blk
Apr 6th vs ATL 17pts 9 reb 9ast 1stl 2blk
Apr 9th @ HOU 18pts 3 reb 5ast 1stl

He had about 10 games where he was really terrible and the rest were pretty close to his averages in one way or another. We don't sniff the playoffs without Diaw last year.

[DY_nasty]

He had about 10 games where he was really terrible and the rest were pretty close to his averages in one way or another. We don't sniff the playoffs without Diaw last year.
Stats don't tell the whole story - not even in baseball.

Odds are you watched one of those games and facepalmed at least twice because of one of Diaw's dumb plays.

I think that without Diaw, whoever replaces him gives us more consistency, heart, and wins.

[Chef]

1. The point I'm getting here is that they're both INEFFICIENT scorers. I don't mind the our back (or is it front court? I always get confused with this part) court getting most of the touches,

the guards are the back court and the forwards are front court. it is from the point of view of the baseline.

[Ghost Kat]

You guys are forgetting all the great games he had for us last year:

Oct 30th vs NYK 17pts 11reb 6ast 2stl 2blk
Nov 7th @ CHI 20pts 7 reb 5ast 3stl 1blk
Nov 14th vs POR 21pts 6 reb 4ast 1stl
Nov 16th @ ORL 21pts 3 reb 1ast 2stl 1blk
Nov 22nd vs IND 17pts 7 reb 4ast
Dec 5th vs PHI 28pts 5 reb 2ast 1stl 2blk
Jan 12th vs HOU 19pts 7 reb 6ast 1stl 3blk
Jan 15th vs SAS 26pts 11reb 2ast 2blk
Jan 26th @ PHX 24pts 11reb 5ast 1stl 1blk
Feb 9th vs WAS 16pts 4 reb 2ast 1stl
Feb 10th @ MIN 15pts 5 reb 5ast 3blk
Feb 16th vs NJN 19pts 10reb 3ast 1stl 2blk
Feb 19th vs CLE 18pts 5 reb 9ast 1stl 1blk
Feb 22nd @ LAC 20pts 9 reb 9ast
Feb 26th @ MEM 18pts 5 reb 1ast 1stl
Mar 1st vs DAL 15pts 4 reb 2ast 1blk
Mar 6th vs GSW 14pts 12reb 9ast
Mar 10th @ PHI 13pts 2 reb 1ast 2stl
Mar 12th vs LAC 16pts 4 reb 5ast
Mar 16th @ IND 20pts 5 reb 4ast 1blk
Mar 23rd @ WAS 17pts 3 reb 1ast 2stl
Apr 3rd @ CHI 18pts 7 reb 6ast 2blk
Apr 6th vs ATL 17pts 9 reb 9ast 1stl 2blk
Apr 9th @ HOU 18pts 3 reb 5ast 1stl

He had about 10 games where he was really terrible and the rest were pretty close to his averages in one way or another. We don't sniff the playoffs without Diaw last year.

Thats 20 some games you listed out of a 82 game plus playoffs season. What about the whole other half of the season were he was scoring 5-6 points a game with more turn overs then assists. Those games happened alot more then his good ones

[ALuhrs704]

Two things I'll say about diaw he half asses everything in games and he has to have the most CLUTCH turnovers in not just the NBA but all sports.

I thinkvit wa against the bulls or toronto or the bucks one of them in November and it's tied with ten second left:
Diaw dribbles up to halfcourt does a no look pass to a wide open Felton and throws it straight out of bounds (diaw had know one near him and we lost that game)
this moment and a few others are when I lost my respect for the man, how can you have all that talent and not care or try.

seeing boris play defense softer then tyson chandler is why i think he needs to leave. his offensive game is very nice considering the passing and dribbling assets but he was way to flaky frrom the perimeter and tyrus well be able to put up consistent stats with a starting role. my boris moment was when he missed a wide open 3 that wouldve won us the game at home cant remember what game but it was a big one.

[rsxnova]

^My Boris moment was the fastbreak dunk fail:facepalm:

[GoBobs]

Thats 20 some games you listed out of a 82 game plus playoffs season. What about the whole other half of the season were he was scoring 5-6 points a game with more turn overs then assists. Those games happened alot more then his good ones

Not True. He had 16 games where he scored 6 points or less vs 66 games where he scored more then that, including the 24 great games I listed.

He also had 16 games where he had more turnovers then assists vs 66 games where he had a 1:1 ratio or better. His season averages of 4.0 assists and 2.2 turnovers are very respectable. Jackson by contrast averaged 3.6 ast and 3.2 turnovers and had 27 games with more turnovers then assists.

[Chef]

Not True. He had 16 games where he scored 6 points or less vs 66 games where he scored more then that, including the 24 great games I listed.

He also had 16 games where he had more turnovers then assists vs 66 games where he had a 1:1 ratio or better. His season averages of 4.0 assists and 2.2 turnovers are very respectable. Jackson by contrast averaged 3.6 ast and 3.2 turnovers and had 27 games with more turnovers then assists.

he still doesn't pass the eye test. and i still think he is a better off the bench guy. but if you can use these stats to get a taker, i think you can have gm job somewhere! "you could sell a ketchup popsicle to woman in white gloves"

[GoBobs]

The eye test totally depends on who is watching. I watched at least 75 games last year and I still like him a lot. If we wanted to trade him there would be some willing takers.

Look I can agree he had a worse year then I expected. He needs to get his fats ass in better shape. He looks unfocused at times and doesn't have 1/100th of the killer instinct that Jackson has. When he throws a no look pass to nobody it makes you want to scream and there were plenty of :facepalm: moments last year. The fact is in spite of all this he is still a good player.

Nobody was so down on him at the end of his first year and he didn't play that much worse last year. The most noticeable thing is he shot 32% vs 42%(career high) from 3. He isn't the only player to slide a little in his second year under LB, see DJ. It was also only his second year as a starter in the league.

He is still only 28 and his game doesn't rely a lot on athleticism so it is very likely that the next 3-4 years will be his prime. I wouldn't mind seeing him come off the bench if he is alright with it. He is the ultimate utility man and would be hard to replace.

[Chef]

The eye test totally depends on who is watching. I watched at least 75 games last year and I still like him a lot. If we wanted to trade him there would be some willing takers.

Look I can agree he had a worse year then I expected. He needs to get his fats ass in better shape. He looks unfocused at times and doesn't have 1/100th of the killer instinct that Jackson has. When he throws a no look pass to nobody it makes you want to scream and there were plenty of :facepalm: moments last year. The fact is in spite of all this he is still a good player.

Nobody was so down on him at the end of his first year and he didn't play that much worse last year. The most noticeable thing is he shot 32% vs 42%(career high) from 3. He isn't the only player to slide a little in his second year under LB, see DJ. It was also only his second year as a starter in the league.

He is still only 28 and his game doesn't rely a lot on athleticism so it is very likely that the next 3-4 years will be his prime. I wouldn't mind seeing him come off the bench if he is alright with it. He is the ultimate utility man and would be hard to replace.

two things. his game is his game. you can't teach aggressiveness. he is "only 28" securely in the tail end of his prime. yes he can put up a triple double but he underachieves so much that you can't count on him night in and night out and at 9 mil or 1/6 of the total payroll he better. he would be great off the bench if he was paid 5 mil per year.

[dnbman]

I'm not sure I want this to happen, we could trade him to the Knicks.

Imagine a scenario where the Knicks get no major signings as the Nets, Chicago, and Miami stockpile talent. The Knicks would be somewhat desperate. We simply trade Diaw to NY for cap space, as they could absorb his entire salary. We could take some minor pieces back, a draft pick, trade exemption status, or some combination of the three.

[SCBobcat]

I honestly see that as a realistic scenario, DNB. I think the Knicks will strike out and trade for Arenas. If they add Diaw to the mix they can still put some sort of product on the floor and claim that Carmello was their real target all along.

[rsxnova]

I'm not sure I want this to happen, we could trade him to the Knicks.

Imagine a scenario where the Knicks get no major signings as the Nets, Chicago, and Miami stockpile talent. The Knicks would be somewhat desperate. We simply trade Diaw to NY for cap space, as they could absorb his entire salary. We could take some minor pieces back, a draft pick, trade exemption status, or some combination of the three.

I would sign and trade Felton and send Diaw for Tony Dougles at this point.

[Bobcat Matt]

If you can't unload him this year for an expiring, I say hold onto him for one more year, and move him next year as an expiring. I just don't know how much value he has right now with 2 years left on his deal, after how bad he was last season. I would not want to take on a bad contract, just to get rid of him. If they can SOMEHOW motivate his lazy french ass, he may come back and have a decent season.

[spectre]

Trade idea from ASChin over at Bobcats' Baseline:

http://www.bobcatsbaseline.com/blog/?p=3125&cpage=1#comment-9125


Boston has a thing for Barbossa.
Phoenix just lost Amare.
Thus…


CLT sends Boris Diaw back to PHX,
PHX sends Barbossa to BOS,
BOS sends Glen Davis and Rasheed’s retiring to CLT.


Once ‘Sheed officially retires, the ‘Cats will have the additional funds (around $6 million) to offer Raymond a $5-$6 million/year contract. Done. Everybody happy.


Bobcats get a bruiser PF to pair with Tyrus and keep their PG from last season. PHX gets an Amare replacement in Diaw who has and can play all three frontcourt positions while Boston gets their bench scoring offseason target.


I think that's a pretty darn good idea actually. The Suns did just sign 2 PFs, but they're also in rumors for a S&T for either Lee or Al Jeff. Maybe Boris with his cheaper/shorter deal would be an alternative?

[Weezy21]

I love that idea!!...but do u think boston would trade big baby with perkins hurt and sheed retiring? if they don't sign shaq, what other big bodies would they have?

[teej]

I love that idea!!...but do u think boston would trade big baby with perkins hurt and sheed retiring? if they don't sign shaq, what other big bodies would they have?

As a 'Cats fan, it's perfect. As a Celtics fan, not so perfect. Maybe if PHX added Robin and Boston sent back a first?

[Weezy21]

"BOSTON — The bond Tyrus Thomas and Glen Davis share can't be described, best friends since meeting as 8-year-olds in Baton Rouge, La.

"We're brothers," Thomas said.

And now they're opposing starting power forwards in an NBA playoff series.

"You always dream about it," Thomas said. "But for it to actually happen, it's amazing. It's good for us. But it's good for our city as well. We talk to the people at home, and everybody is excited.

"Of course my mom is going to root for me. But Glen calls my mom a mom. I call his mom a mom."

The friends led LSU to the 2006 Final Four, so they know winning. Thomas also stayed at Davis' house throughout last season's NBA playoffs, when the Celtics won the championship.

"We rarely talk about basketball," Thomas said. "The relationship started with basketball but has grown way beyond that."

Even more reason to do it!!!!!

[teej]

And DJ is friends with both, too.