Michael Beasley?? [Archive] - Bobcatsplanet Forum

jdsingar

07-08-2010, 02:51 PM

Well here we go again. We're following our m.o. of taking damaged goods via trade. I don't that would be a bad deal for us though. Beasley has some potential left and isn't far removed from being a #2 pick. I would hope we could get more for Tyson's expiring, though. I wonder how long Jared's deal is for.

Ironically, Beasley shunned UNC-Charlotte for K-State when choosing schools. It's a bit ironic that he might end up in Charlotte anyway.

Mustachio

07-08-2010, 02:51 PM

more worried about chemistry. Beasley is a talent, but he sure isnt a world beater right now in Miami.

I just dont see how that could work with Coach Brown. Mental toughness is not Beasleys strong suit... in fact hes kind of a basket case.

I dont hate it because we'd only lose Ty, whom we are almost guarenteed to lose midway through the season to injury anyway. Adding Jared Jeffries aint a bad deal either. Id do it.. what thes worst that could happen?

Wolfpackbobcat

07-08-2010, 02:53 PM

I don't blame Beasley for shunning unc-charlotte...

jdsingar

07-08-2010, 03:24 PM

I don't blame Beasley for shunning unc-charlotte...

Well, as a graduate of that institution...I would have to agree. K-State was/is a much better program. I am not sure how he was considering UNC-Charlotte in the first place. I think the school had someone on staff that he was close to, but I am not positive.

It's tough being at the level of a UNC-Charlotte or an...N.C. State these days :biggrin:

teej

07-08-2010, 03:28 PM

It's tough being at the level of a UNC-Charlotte or an...N.C. State these days :biggrin:

:biggrin:

Beasley sucks, but ILBIT...

dav7z

07-08-2010, 03:37 PM

This would be such a great move for us. Its a no brainer. It puts us back into the free agent market . Gerat contracts . Gives us leverage with TT . Allows us to sign Felton if we chose . Opens up D Harris for TT talks . If TT would WALK it allows us 9 milion in the free agent market. And i think this thing is a done deal . Can't wait til 8 tonight we should know by then .

Wolfpackbobcat

07-08-2010, 03:55 PM

college bball aside...this trade has to happen..our division is already ridiculous as it is

spectre

07-08-2010, 03:58 PM

Four-way trade talk CONT' ... Beasley told WED by Heat to expect trade and Bobcats highly motivated to get him.

http://twitter.com/STEIN_LINE_HQ/status/18057856057

I have no fricking clue who's account this is and I'm blocked from twitter at work....so, FWIW.

teej

07-08-2010, 04:01 PM

http://twitter.com/STEIN_LINE_HQ/status/18057856057

I have no fricking clue who's account this is and I'm blocked from twitter at work....so, FWIW.

A) It's Mark Stein's
B) Can't you use proxies?

dnbman

07-08-2010, 04:05 PM

A) It's Mark Stein's
B) Can't you use proxies?

Kids in high school use proxies. Ethical adults at work do not.

teej

07-08-2010, 04:06 PM

Kids in high school use proxies. Ethical adults at work do not.

:biggrin:

Ethical adults also don't watch Chinese streams of Bobcat games...uh, wait. Nevermind.

SWedd523

07-08-2010, 04:09 PM

Looking at the trade, we better be getting a future first out of the deal at least. Miami was going to trade Beasley for nothing more than salary cap; the guy has no value whatsoever. None. Chandler is our best Center. Trade him for Beasley and we get absolutely dominated by the Magic and Celtics (our two likeliest playoff opponets).

PLUS! Tyrus. Beasley. Diaw. Jeffries. Do we really need four Power Forwards? The only way we do this is if we know Tyrus isn't coming back, which doesn't make sense as we've offered him the QO and him and LB apparently love each other.

Again.......... Makes no sense to get a basket case like Beasley. LB would kill the guy, absolutely no mental toughness.

dnbman

07-08-2010, 04:10 PM

:biggrin:

Ethical adults also don't watch Chinese streams of Bobcat games...uh, wait. Nevermind.

Ethical adults at work do not.

Outside of work... we all have vices.

Ampsportsduo

07-08-2010, 04:11 PM

Cats4lif3

07-08-2010, 04:12 PM

S it true we also get Mario chalmers in the deal?

Ampsportsduo

07-08-2010, 04:14 PM

For those of you holding out hope Ray comes back. Don't. He's going to be a Knick.

(If he does come back here, expect it to be with a much higher cap number than any of us want to see.)

WAM9

07-08-2010, 04:18 PM

I'm no Beasley fan in any way, shape or form but this would be a great deal for us. We would absolutely HAVE to pull the trigger on this if given the opportunity.

By the way, Jeffries is an expiring contract as well making $6.9 million in this final year of his deal.

If this is pulled off it would be a huge feather in the cap of our front office!

jdsingar

07-08-2010, 04:19 PM

Just going to say that I hate this trade. I've defended almost every move this FO has made, but this is too much.

Give up TC, fine but who's playing center? 30 minutes a night for the Naz squad?

We're the facilitator for a bigger move, but we don't get a little bonus pick or some such thrown in? Whenever GMs like Presti and Prtichard would do these, they'd get a little something extra thrown in.

Beasley's the antithesis of a LB player. He's not a great defender and yet another 3 that isn't a great 3-point shooter. He's efficient at scoring only at the hoop and the mid-range baseline jumper.

If we take on Beasley (4.9) and Jeffries (6.8 ) we add only 1 million dollars of cap space at the expense of a center? So the team has 1 PG and 1 Center but we add two more underachieving forwards and $1 mill in cap space?

I don't see this as a plus at all if it goes through as stated here.

We could just sign Jamaal Magloire. Then we could trade for Baron Davis, and hope that David Wesley and P.J. Brown would come out of retirement of the veteran minimum. Then we could trade Gerald Wallace D.J. and Hendo for Stephen Curry. It would be the NEW Charlotte Hornets. Er. Bobcats.

I think this deal is neutral, per se. If we could move Boris Diaw and pick up a Center or PG, that would be ideal. I think it's good that we start to get some guys who may not fit the LB mold perfectly; He's shown that he may not be around for very long. Beasley offers potential, and at a relatively low price.

On the flipside, Miami has been trying to trade this guy for a bag of peanuts. For us to give up much of anything (Granted, we HAVE to for salary purposes) is a bit much. So yes, it would be nice to get a 1st rounder.

I'm excited that we may have some flexiblity with the FA market. Here's to hoping we don't sign Luke Ridenour to a 4 year, 38 million dollar deal.

SWedd523

07-08-2010, 04:23 PM

teej

07-08-2010, 04:25 PM

That lineup is horribly unbalanced. I fail to see how this trade is a "must do" in any way for us. It makes absolutely no sense. At all.

It's only a must if we get Chalmers. That's the lastest rumor.

Also, it'd be 1.3 mil to re-sign Theo or the minimum of like 800k for Jawai. Center depth is the least of my worries.

Ampsportsduo

07-08-2010, 04:26 PM

Ampsportsduo

07-08-2010, 04:28 PM

It's only a must if we get Chalmers. That's the lastest rumor.

Also, it'd be 1.3 mil to re-sign Theo or the minimum of like 800k for Jawai. Center depth is the least of my worries.

Jawai? Credibility down my friend.

As for Theo, you don't think Miami would be interested in adding him?

dnbman

07-08-2010, 04:28 PM

That's a lot of "coulds" jd.

Let me repeat, and reiterate Amp's point here. We trade our best big man in order to give Miami more capspace, when they were going to just trade Beasley for Dooling and the instant cap relief, and we don't even get a pick out of the deal?

Augustin
Jack/Henderson
Crash/UPS
Diaw/Beasley/Tyrus/Jeffries
Nazr/Diop

That lineup is horribly unbalanced. I fail to see how this trade is a "must do" in any way for us. It makes absolutely no sense. At all.

I think this trade, especially the one including Chalmers, anticipates losing Thomas and Felton.

Having Chalmers as a possible starting point guard helps the trade tremendously, though, like AMP suggests, I'd like to get a pick out of it.

Chef

07-08-2010, 04:29 PM

we should demand their next first round pick and hope like hell they don't mesh and crash and burn. if not we have a late first rounder to take or trade. i think we should hold their feet to the fire. they are desperate to get rid of chalmers and beas.

jdsingar

07-08-2010, 04:32 PM

It would really be nice if we could get rid of Diaw in this deal. Not sure if that works logistically.

Throw Chalmers in, and this is definitely a no brainer.

teej

07-08-2010, 04:32 PM

When you're a facilitator of a trade you don't give up 100% value to get 100%.

Unless you know who the center is that will be coming to you, I don't think you make a move that leaves you with 1 center. This team's defense will be taking a huge step back no matter what next season, this only serves to make that step bigger.

Chandler's contract is expiring as well, so jeffries expiring isn't a cap room plus at the end of the year, it's a minus in terms of total value. This move will also likely mean less playing time for D. Brown.

1. Where does all this one center talk come from? We'd have at the least Nazr and Gana who are true centers, and Diaw who spent plenty of time at the 5. Also, Tyrus would likely be S&T for another big or would play at the 5.

2. As expirings go, the whole point is to use them for future value. For a team where cap space is worthless outside of CP3 (maybe), getting a #2 pick, a second rounder and a former lottery pick for an expiring is pretty solid. Value wise, there might not be much better for TC. We'd still have the option to get out of Beasley and Chalmers contracts if necessary, thus still have the massive expirings.

3. UPS is good, but when you look at these guys we'd be bringing in, he's not even close. Jeffries is an excellent defender and a guy MJ drafted way back when. Beasley was a huge prospect. How should UPS be involved in that?

4. All this is moot if Chalmers isn't in the deal.

BobCatsFanInTx

07-08-2010, 04:34 PM

How do we feel about shipping TyChan out for that knucklehead Beasley??

http://espn.go.com/blog/TrueHoop/post/_/id/17823/can-miami-pull-off-beasley-tradeHe had a minor incident with pot and he is only two years in the league I hardly think that qualifies him as a knucklehead. Jax had more baggage by far and he has turned out just fine. Beasley has a world of potential and I would hardly start dismissing this guy given what few real options our team has. So I say we should definitely go get him.

Many times one teams trash ends up being another teams treasure. Why should we not take a "RISK" on a guy who has only been in the league two seasons with a piss ant pot incident?

I really don't see many teams wanting our overpriced garbage for something substantial returning to us. Beasley is in essence like a high draft pick this season. The kind of guys we have on our team should make Beasley's transition to Bobcat good guy and solid contributor seamless.

rsxnova

07-08-2010, 04:34 PM

It would really be nice if we could get rid of Diaw in this deal. Not sure if that works logistically.

Throw Chalmers in, and this is definitely a no brainer.

I think this trade would give Diaw a one way ticket out of town. This is also a +.

jdsingar

07-08-2010, 04:34 PM

BTW, where are these rumors of Chalmers being included coming from?

ammofan

07-08-2010, 04:35 PM

BTW, where are these rumors of Chalmers being included coming from?

Same thing I wondering.....I hope they are true tho!

rsxnova

07-08-2010, 04:37 PM

BTW, where are these rumors of Chalmers being included coming from?

Alan Hahn reports a three team trade is now close.

That would change things to

Charmers , Jefferies , Beasley in

Chandler out

From the real GM

Chef

07-08-2010, 04:38 PM

He had a minor incident with pot and he is only two years in the league I hardly think that qualifies him as a knucklehead. Jax had more baggage by far and he has turned out just fine. Beasley has a world of potential and I would hardly start dismissing this guy given what few real options our team has. So I say we should definitely go get him.

Many times one teams trash ends up being another teams treasure. Why should we not take a "RISK" on a guy who has only been in the league two seasons with a piss ant pot incident?

I really don't see many teams wanting our overpriced garbage for something substantial returning to us. Beasley is in essence like a high draft pick this season. The kind of guys we have on our team should make Beasley's transition to Bobcat good guy and solid contributor seamless.

6 high schools in 4 years+history of being hard to coach+shaky mental health+hard driving coach=very high risk for complete breakdown.

ammofan

07-08-2010, 04:39 PM

Alan Hahn reports a three team trade is now close.

That would change things to

Charmers , Jefferies , Beasley in

Chandler out

From the real GM

Where does it say CHALMERS tho? i cant find it! lol

BobCatsFanInTx

07-08-2010, 04:47 PM

:biggrin:

Beasley sucks, but ILBIT...What's that say about our team? Miami made the playoffs seeded higher than us. Beasley may not be a world beater after two seasons but he does not suck. The guy has a bit of potential yet untapped and I sure as hell would not dismiss him so easily. I really don't think our team is in a position to be greedy or expect much in trades. The only player we are disenchanted with that has any value at all would be Boris Diaw. Other than that I don't see any real trades that are going to top this proposed one.

I sure don't see where we are going to be seriously crippled by the sucky ass Beasley.

He is solid enough to not be a total drag at his position. He may not make us better but truthfully I don't see him making us worse. This proposed draft is not a + or - straight off it is a wait and see.

ChuckHayes69

07-08-2010, 04:47 PM

Where does it say CHALMERS tho? i cant find it! lol

Yeah, what I read said:

Charlotte: Jeffries and Beasley
Rockets: Chandler
Heat: Cap Space (I'd assume they'd have to get a pick or something too but that's all they said)

DY_nasty

07-08-2010, 04:47 PM

6 high schools in 4 years+history of being hard to coach+shaky mental health+hard driving coach=very high risk for complete breakdown.
This.

I really want someone to explain to me how his scoring is going to stay consistent or improve at all AFTER he leaves Wade and his insanely high usage rate.

I want to believe.

Ampsportsduo

07-08-2010, 04:50 PM

1. Where does all this one center talk come from? We'd have at the least Nazr and Gana who are true centers, and Diaw who spent plenty of time at the 5. Also, Tyrus would likely be S&T for another big or would play at the 5.

2. As expirings go, the whole point is to use them for future value. For a team where cap space is worthless outside of CP3 (maybe), getting a #2 pick, a second rounder and a former lottery pick for an expiring is pretty solid. Value wise, there might not be much better for TC. We'd still have the option to get out of Beasley and Chalmers contracts if necessary, thus still have the massive expirings.

3. UPS is good, but when you look at these guys we'd be bringing in, he's not even close. Jeffries is an excellent defender and a guy MJ drafted way back when. Beasley was a huge prospect. How should UPS be involved in that?

4. All this is moot if Chalmers isn't in the deal.

1. Diop cannot play extended minutes on a team that has any aspirations. Trying to sell me on Diaw as a 5 isn't going to work. His time at the 5 was highly situational.

2. When you have to resort to telling me where guys were drafted instead of anything they've done that says a lot. How is capspace not valuable to this team? Valuewise a starting center is better than a backup SF and a backup backup PF.

3. Brown's a lot closer than you want to give him credit for. No reason he cannot be a role player behind Crash. Is he as good, no. Is it a wide margin, I don't think so. Certainly not worth giving up your starting center for.

4. Don't know about the Chalmers inclusion. I've seen three reports, this one the only one mentioning him. The Heat were frustrated with him last season and he certainly doesn't make PG a no concern position.

Most importantly...

How clearly is this not a LB move? Assuming LB comes back, is he going to want to play these guys forced on him over a guy that he wanted in Chandler? This may be the beginning of the end. Or maybe the middle of the end? Just the end?

ammofan

07-08-2010, 04:50 PM

Yeah, what I read said:

Charlotte: Jeffries and Beasley
Rockets: Chandler
Heat: Cap Space (I'd assume they'd have to get a pick or something too but that's all they said)

So now it wont be involved in a Bosh S+T?

This is confusing! lololol

ND22

07-08-2010, 04:54 PM

I like the trade, would love it if Chalmers was included. Guess we just wait and see.

rsxnova

07-08-2010, 04:55 PM

So now it wont be involved in a Bosh S+T?

This is confusing! lololol

Im am just going to sit back and hope for the best.

Ampsportsduo

07-08-2010, 04:55 PM

The only possible caveat to me not liking this trade:

A certain PG from the state comes home. Unfortunately, that would likely involve a lot of people's favorite Cat being shipped out.

dnbman

07-08-2010, 04:57 PM

The only possible caveat to me not liking this trade:

A certain PG from the state comes home. Unfortunately, that would likely involve a lot of people's favorite Cat being shipped out.

Are you suggesting this just because Beasley can play SF? Any indications?

BobCatsFanInTx

07-08-2010, 04:57 PM

6 high schools in 4 years+history of being hard to coach+shaky mental health+hard driving coach=very high risk for complete breakdown.We could have said the same thing about Jax and his known erratic and unpredictable behavior from the past.

Also look at how different Ron Artest has been with his last two teams. He has been a pretty good guy and he made a solid contribution to the Laker's winning the title this season. Being surrounded by positive influences helps.

Micheal Beasley may be a risk but to me he is a worthwhile risk. He is growing up and really has not had a serious incident in Miami. He was seen as talented enough to be drafted high and good enough for the Heat. I don't think the Heat are simply parting with him because he is a "problem" waiting to happen or is without talent. The Heat toiled over the decision to trade him. Riley likes him and he seemed to get along in Miami with his teammates fairly well. Trading Beasley is simply Miami shedding more salary to get the ultimate prize. We know who that is. It gives them some wiggle room besides.

teej

07-08-2010, 04:57 PM

1. Diop cannot play extended minutes on a team that has any aspirations. Trying to sell me on Diaw as a 5 isn't going to work. His time at the 5 was highly situational.

2. When you have to resort to telling me where guys were drafted instead of anything they've done that says a lot. How is capspace not valuable to this team? Valuewise a starting center is better than a backup SF and a backup backup PF.

3. Brown's a lot closer than you want to give him credit for. No reason he cannot be a role player behind Crash. Is he as good, no. Is it a wide margin, I don't think so. Certainly not worth giving up your starting center for.

4. Don't know about the Chalmers inclusion. I've seen three reports, this one the only one mentioning him. The Heat were frustrated with him last season and he certainly doesn't make PG a no concern position.

Most importantly...

How clearly is this not a LB move? Assuming LB comes back, is he going to want to play these guys forced on him over a guy that he wanted in Chandler? This may be the beginning of the end. Or maybe the middle of the end? Just the end?

1. See Mavericks, Dallas. Gana STARTED for them in the playoffs multiple times. He started over half their regular season games and all but 4 playoff games when they went to the Finals. I'm certainly not expecting that, but he's competent defensively and just as bad as TC offensively.

2. We're not going to sign a LeBron, Bosh or Wade. CP3 is the only major free agent in our sights, and that means it's better to acquire assets via trade. If Beasley plays even below what a second pick would, it's a steal. Chalmers is not horrid, and Jeffries would be one of the top defenders on the team.

3. UPS can certainly be a role player, but he's a homeless man's version of Crash. His jumper isn't good, his man-to-man D isn't great, and he is unpolished on offense.

4. If Chalmers isn't in it, then a pick would be needed to make sense.

LB is probably in his final season. Whether he plays Beasley or not, Beasley still practices and learns for a year. I'd be shocked if LB is back after the lockout. This team has to be prepared for that. See what happened to other teams when LB left? Lottery.

jdsingar

07-08-2010, 04:58 PM

The only possible caveat to me not liking this trade:

A certain PG from the state comes home. Unfortunately, that would likely involve a lot of people's favorite Cat being shipped out.

How does this lead to He-Who-Elbows-Hodge's-Nuts coming here? If a certain reckless machine leaves town, I would be pretty upset.

murphman

07-08-2010, 04:59 PM

Yeah, what I read said:

Charlotte: Jeffries and Beasley
Rockets: Chandler
Heat: Cap Space (I'd assume they'd have to get a pick or something too but that's all they said)

Well I also read that Tornoto would take back 3.1 million in salary from the Rockets. No one player on their roster makes that but two combined do: Chuck Hayes & Jermaine Taylor or Hayes & Budinger would be 3.1.

Still, if I was the Rockets, here is my concern. When it is all over they wind up taking on an additional 2 and half million of salary. They have already said they would match any offer for Luis Scola who is on the Nets Radar. A high offer from the Nets might push them into luxury tax if they match. Having 2.5 more in salary makes it worse.

Chef

07-08-2010, 05:01 PM

We could have said the same thing about Jax and his known erratic and unpredictable behavior from the past.

Also look at how different Ron Artest has been with his last two teams. He has been a pretty good guy and he made a solid contribution to the Laker's winning the title this season. Being surrounded by positive influences helps.

Micheal Beasley may be a risk but to me he is a worthwhile risk. He is growing up and really has not had a serious incident in Miami. He was seen as talented enough to be drafted high by the Heat. I don't think the Heat are simply parting with him because he is a "problem" waiting to happen or is without talent. The Heat toiled over the decision to trade him. Riley likes him and he seemed to get along in Miami with his teammates fairly well. Trading Beasley is simply Miami shedding more salary to get the ultimate prize. We know who that is. It gives them some wiggle room besides.

jax is 32 years old, beas is 21. huge maturity difference. jax is still a ticking time bomb. look at his GS behavior. yes it was a shitty situation, but he wasn't exactly screaming professionalism when he was screaming trade me now.

rsxnova

07-08-2010, 05:01 PM

The only possible caveat to me not liking this trade:

A certain PG from the state comes home. Unfortunately, that would likely involve a lot of people's favorite Cat being shipped out.

I think most fans would be willing to lose Wallace for CP3

Chef

07-08-2010, 05:02 PM

How does this lead to He-Who-Elbows-Hodge's-Nuts coming here? If a certain reckless machine leaves town, I would be pretty upset.

if the elbower comes to town i will get over my sadness of seeing the machine leave.

ND22

07-08-2010, 05:03 PM

jax is 32 years old, beas is 21. huge maturity difference. jax is still a ticking time bomb. look at his GS behavior. yes it was a shitty situation, but he wasn't exactly screaming professionalism when he was screaming trade me now.

I don't blame him at all for demanding a trade. Golden State put together a very good team that beat 1st place Dallas in 06. Then GS just lets that team fall apart and they haven't been back to the playoffs since. Jax saw the situation and wanted out.

Chef

07-08-2010, 05:07 PM

I don't blame him at all for demanding a trade. Golden State put together a very good team that beat 1st place Dallas in 06. Then GS just lets that team fall apart and they haven't been back to the playoffs since. Jax saw the situation and wanted out.

the only difference between those two teams was baron davis. the players are just as responsible for the "situation" and team attitude as the coach etc. it was a team full of headcases from jax to monta to magette.

rsxnova

07-08-2010, 05:09 PM

the only difference between those two teams was baron davis. the players are just as responsible for the "situation" and team attitude as the coach etc. it was a team full of headcases from jax to monta to magette.

Dont forget Jrich:biggrin:

Ampsportsduo

07-08-2010, 05:09 PM

1. See Mavericks, Dallas. Gana STARTED for them in the playoffs multiple times. He started over half their regular season games and all but 4 playoff games when they went to the Finals. I'm certainly not expecting that, but he's competent defensively and just as bad as TC offensively.

2. We're not going to sign a LeBron, Bosh or Wade. CP3 is the only major free agent in our sights, and that means it's better to acquire assets via trade. If Beasley plays even below what a second pick would, it's a steal. Chalmers is not horrid, and Jeffries would be one of the top defenders on the team.

3. UPS can certainly be a role player, but he's a homeless man's version of Crash. His jumper isn't good, his man-to-man D isn't great, and he is unpolished on offense.

4. If Chalmers isn't in it, then a pick would be needed to make sense.

LB is probably in his final season. Whether he plays Beasley or not, Beasley still practices and learns for a year. I'd be shocked if LB is back after the lockout. This team has to be prepared for that. See what happened to other teams when LB left? Lottery.

1. Seriously? You just thought about that and typed it out, looked it over, and decided it was worth posting? You think the team just decided to keep him in street clothes for the playoffs so they could unveil him this season and laugh as he unexpectedly pillaged the league's centers? He had a sprained MCL in February and never played again last season. That's not at all encouraging to me.

2. I'm fine with dealing through trades, but if you're making trades you probably want to get good assets back. Jeffries going to be a top defender on the team from the bench? No way he starts over Diaw or Thomas, if he comes back.

3. No reason to compare Brown to Crash. Compare Brown to Beasley. Like I said, it's not a huge gap, not big enough to give up a starting center.

What LB does at the end of the season is of no consequence. I'm worried about this season. I'm worried about the fact that a team that just made it's first playoff run is going to lose 2 of its starters and not improve in any area. I'm concerned that LB will continue to play Crash and Jack too many minutes and this team's best hope will be to reach .500. You don't trade a starting center for backups. It's a rule.

Ampsportsduo

07-08-2010, 05:11 PM

Are you suggesting this just because Beasley can play SF? Any indications?

Heard that NO has been made aware that he will not be re-signing. You won't get anyone to confirm, so you can choose to believe me or not. I've not heard it's in the works, but CP is coveted by the FO, they've contacted the Hornets and he would be open to coming here to build a winner in his home state.

ChuckHayes69

07-08-2010, 05:15 PM

You don't trade a starting center for backups. It's a rule.

It worked for LA in '96.

Ampsportsduo

07-08-2010, 05:17 PM

It worked for LA in '96.

Because they got a center in addition to the backup. As I recall, he was kind of a big deal.

1st person ever to throw a Kobe-Beas comparison. Congrats.

DY_nasty

07-08-2010, 05:17 PM

So Beasley is somehow supposed to get better while playing for certified soul-eaters in MJ and Larry Brown after being coddled and having his hand held in Miami...

okay

So somehow, Wade makes it harder for people succeed despite all the attention he draws from a defense... OKAY

I get it.

Beasley is gonna be great... smfh

teej

07-08-2010, 05:20 PM

1. Seriously? You just thought about that and typed it out, looked it over, and decided it was worth posting? You think the team just decided to keep him in street clothes for the playoffs so they could unveil him this season and laugh as he unexpectedly pillaged the league's centers? He had a sprained MCL in February and never played again last season. That's not at all encouraging to me.

2. I'm fine with dealing through trades, but if you're making trades you probably want to get good assets back. Jeffries going to be a top defender on the team from the bench? No way he starts over Diaw or Thomas, if he comes back.

3. No reason to compare Brown to Crash. Compare Brown to Beasley. Like I said, it's not a huge gap, not big enough to give up a starting center.

What LB does at the end of the season is of no consequence. I'm worried about this season. I'm worried about the fact that a team that just made it's first playoff run is going to lose 2 of its starters and not improve in any area. I'm concerned that LB will continue to play Crash and Jack too many minutes and this team's best hope will be to reach .500. You don't trade a starting center for backups. It's a rule.

1. Gana is not going to be good. He doesn't need to be. He just needs to help fill the 1163 minutes Tyson gave us. That's less than 15 mpg. Tyson missed 31 games, and was not the starter in 55 games. That's a starting center? Look, I like Tyson's D, but he doesn't help much on a team with an anemic offense.

2. Jeffries would be our Matt Barnes. Only difference is JJ wouldn't start, but would sub in enough to reduce both Jack and Crash's minutes, and be far better than UPS.

3. Brown vs. Beasley? Beasley, hands down. And I don't like Beasley.

You're talking about this coming season. That's a bit narrow minded, isn't it? Rod and MJ's job is to plan for the future, and getting a lottery talent is part of that. LB could coach Crash, Jack and 3 scrubs to the playoffs.

ChuckHayes69

07-08-2010, 05:20 PM

Because they got a center in addition to the backup. As I recall, he was kind of a big deal.

1st person ever to throw a Kobe-Beas comparison. Congrats.

Just throwing out that your last part of the comment was dumb as hell.

I'm not dumb enough to call Beasley the next Kobe but you have to think about potential is my point. Also, I think Beasley would start for the team next year.

dnbman

07-08-2010, 05:21 PM

By the way, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Miami knows that Bron is signing with the Cavs, making a Beasley trade a desperate move to encourage James to rethink. Maybe this deal gets sweeter than it is now.

teej

07-08-2010, 05:21 PM

And Tyson is a solid center, but I wouldn't entrust my playoff hopes to him as starter...

rsxnova

07-08-2010, 05:24 PM

And Tyson is a solid center, but I wouldn't entrust my playoff hopes to him as starter...

Besides we will probably get Okafor back when we land CP3 anyway.:biggrin:

Absinthe

07-08-2010, 05:24 PM

Beasley is rubbish. Absolute rubbish. He's a headcase, he has substance abuse problems, and he's a "tweener" when it comes to what position he plays. They've been trying to practically give him away, not because they're being charitable, but because they want to rid the Heat franchise of the disease known as Michael Beasley.

DY_nasty

07-08-2010, 05:30 PM

Ampsportsduo

07-08-2010, 05:33 PM

Just throwing out that your last part of the comment was dumb as hell.

I'm not dumb enough to call Beasley the next Kobe but you have to think about potential is my point. Also, I think Beasley would start for the team next year.

How was it dumb as hell? You used the Lakers landing Kobe (while failing to mention the massive upgrade they made through free agency to get Shaq) to refute my point that trading a starting center for a backup is not a good idea. You made a lame point and got called for it.

I have thought about Beasley's potential. I don't like it. His ability to start at the PF is more of an indictment of our PF situation than it is a credit to him, and I don't think LB would start him over Diaw.

LiquidWayno

07-08-2010, 05:35 PM

If this goes down, it won't be the only move we make, so I may wait a bit to pass judgment. Jeffries will not be difficult to move. I wanted Chalmers two years ago. He'd certainly be better than Sherron Collins.

Absinthe

07-08-2010, 05:35 PM

Absinthe, you magnificent bastard. I've been lobbying to get you back on GAF for weeks now lol

I appreciate it, but they had their chance.

DY_nasty

07-08-2010, 05:42 PM

I appreciate it, but they had their chance.
looooooooooool

well as long as i'm not the only one here trashing beas anymore

Ampsportsduo

07-08-2010, 05:44 PM

1. Gana is not going to be good. He doesn't need to be. He just needs to help fill the 1163 minutes Tyson gave us. That's less than 15 mpg. Tyson missed 31 games, and was not the starter in 55 games. That's a starting center? Look, I like Tyson's D, but he doesn't help much on a team with an anemic offense.

2. Jeffries would be our Matt Barnes. Only difference is JJ wouldn't start, but would sub in enough to reduce both Jack and Crash's minutes, and be far better than UPS.

3. Brown vs. Beasley? Beasley, hands down. And I don't like Beasley.

You're talking about this coming season. That's a bit narrow minded, isn't it? Rod and MJ's job is to plan for the future, and getting a lottery talent is part of that. LB could coach Crash, Jack and 3 scrubs to the playoffs.

1. Tyson was injured at the start of the season. Do you seriously think he wasn't brought here to start? You're trying to skew facts to make your argument stronger. Sure if Tyson's going to miss half the season it makes sense to unload him, but you think Houston doesn't know how many games he missed? Fact is they gain center depth and lose virtually nothing. We lose center depth and gain 2nd and 3rd PFs?

2. You're making assumptions that at this time I don't think can be made. As the third PF on the team how many minutes are you expecting him to get? Unless you assume another trade, in which case it's impossible to discern what you think the team will look like with this 2nd TBD trade.

3. You like Beasley more. Ok. he's better than a guy that saw limited action in his rookie season. Noted, and never disputed.

4. the Bobcats are a special situation. For the first time in team history there was positive momentum (somewhat stunted by a crib midget) and nearly all of that will be lost if this team is mediocre. That's where I fear this team will be headed with the PG and C situations if this deal goes through. Jeffries will likely be gone after one year, so the "future" argument resides with the Beas. Do you see Michael Beasley as a piece you want to build around? No one thought that in Miami, so you must be seeing something no one else is. For the present I see this as a loss. For the future, I see this as a loss.

Cats4lif3

07-08-2010, 05:45 PM

What's all this no center bs! We have nazr diop and Alexis!!! That's three! And mayb we get theo too. That's 4!!!

So is or isn't chalmers involved?

Ampsportsduo

07-08-2010, 05:50 PM

What's all this no center bs! We have nazr diop and Alexis!!! That's three! And mayb we get theo too. That's 4!!!

So is or isn't chalmers involved?

There's a team being assembled in South Beach. They are going to need some big bodies. He may have a chance to play for them and a ring. Or! OR! He could come back to Charlotte.

Conflicting reports only for sure pieces seem to be Beasley and Jeffries.

ChuckHayes69

07-08-2010, 06:02 PM

How was it dumb as hell? You used the Lakers landing Kobe (while failing to mention the massive upgrade they made through free agency to get Shaq) to refute my point that trading a starting center for a backup is not a good idea. You made a lame point and got called for it.

I have thought about Beasley's potential. I don't like it. His ability to start at the PF is more of an indictment of our PF situation than it is a credit to him, and I don't think LB would start him over Diaw.

No, I made a joke with an exaggeration and you got all defensive. You're the one making lame points, talking about Beasley like he belongs in the NBA trash heap after 2 seasons of pretty decent basketball. You'll get no argument from me that he's a starter at the 4 for us because of our horrid PF situation, but I will argue that trading a "starting C" isn't always bad. Last year Tyson started 27 games for us, came off the bench for 24, sat out 31, and has only started about half of his teams' games in his career. Generally Centers don't start getting healthier in their 10th nba season either, they start missing even more. So yeah, if Tyson was a lock for around 10 reb and 2 blk a game for 70+ games, I'd probably agree we should keep him. Considering he'll probably miss half the year and spend another 1/4 getting back into the swing of things, trade him for the potential of Beasley. As for Beasley we just disagree on how good he will be, so there's not much use in arguing over that.

PouncingBobcat

07-08-2010, 06:08 PM

I would love this move if it goes through. Getting rid of injury prone Chandler and picking up a recent #2 pick who averages just under 15 pts/gm!!! I'm all in on this !!!

I know that Miami is our rival and this would help them get LeBron, but you had to concede them a spot in the Eastern Conference once Bosh signed. I think we could get back into the playoffs as a 6 or 7 seed despite the strength of Miami and Orlando. It would definitely make for entertaining basketball at the TWC.

Ghost Kat

07-08-2010, 06:08 PM

My Two Centz

I think getting Beasley would be a great deal. Tyson sucks healthy or not. This team needs a low post offensive threat. Beasley has a nice jumper and fairly good hands. He's 6'10 235, Thats good size for a PF. He'll bang in the paint and might be a good pick and pop guy. His defensive isn't horrible but we aren't losing that much if we can keep Tyrus Thomas.

Boris is as good as gone if we make this deal. Probably traded somehow for a C or PG. Boris Diaw...I hate you

Ampsportsduo

07-08-2010, 06:14 PM

No, I made a joke with an exaggeration and you got all defensive. You're the one making lame points, talking about Beasley like he belongs in the NBA trash heap after 2 seasons of pretty decent basketball. You'll get no argument from me that he's a starter at the 4 for us because of our horrid PF situation, but I will argue that trading a "starting C" isn't always bad. Last year Tyson started 27 games for us, came off the bench for 24, sat out 31, and has only started about half of his teams' games in his career. Generally Centers don't start getting healthier in their 10th nba season either, they start missing even more. So yeah, if Tyson was a lock for around 10 reb and 2 blk a game for 70+ games, I'd probably agree we should keep him. Considering he'll probably miss half the year and spend another 1/4 getting back into the swing of things, trade him for the potential of Beasley. As for Beasley we just disagree on how good he will be, so there's not much use in arguing over that.

I'll learn to take it more gently when you say my points are dumb as hell.

My problem truly isn't so much with Beasley, it's the amount we're giving up. Even if TC is injured this season, is the best we can hope to get for his contract, Michael Beasley? There would have to be more to sweeten the pot for me to facilitate a move that definitely benefits the other three teams (maybe 2 if TC were to get hurt).

Ampsportsduo

07-08-2010, 06:18 PM

PouncingBobcat

07-08-2010, 06:20 PM

I'll learn to take it more gently when you say my points are dumb as hell.

My problem truly isn't so much with Beasley, it's the amount we're giving up. Even if TC is injured this season, is the best we can hope to get for his contract, Michael Beasley? There would have to be more to sweeten the pot for me to facilitate a move that definitely benefits the other three teams (maybe 2 if TC were to get hurt).

Probably won't happen because Miami is in control of this trade. If we don't take Beasley off their hands they will find another team willing to pickup a recent #2 overall draft pick. The fact that we brought in TT makes the loss of Chandler fine with me. His best days are behind him. I think the Okafor-Chandler trade turned out to be neutral for both teams. Maybe a slight edge to the Hornets because Okafor can stay healthy.

Proudiddy

07-08-2010, 06:21 PM

I'll learn to take it more gently when you say my points are dumb as hell.

My problem truly isn't so much with Beasley, it's the amount we're giving up. Even if TC is injured this season, is the best we can hope to get for his contract, Michael Beasley? There would have to be more to sweeten the pot for me to facilitate a move that definitely benefits the other three teams (maybe 2 if TC were to get hurt).

I thought we'd be able to get a lot more for Chandler's expiring than what the apparent ACTUAL value his expiring holds. I've come to this conclusion because we weren't able to make anything happen prior to and during the draft with he and Nazr's contract...

I think with all these teams clearing cap space prior to this offseason, the market for expiring contracts seems to have dwindled. The teams that haven't cleared cap space seem to think they have the talent to build on so they don't need to acquire any significant cap room.

So, that's a long way of saying, YES, I've come to the conclusion that Beasley and fodder are the best we're going to get unfortunately.

Ghost Kat

07-08-2010, 06:21 PM

He's not 6'10. He's 6'8" in shoes.

If you say so but I'm going by this.....

http://espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3418

Ampsportsduo

07-08-2010, 06:24 PM

If you say so but I'm going by this.....

http://espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3418

Not so much me saying so as DX saying so (http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?year=2008&sort2=DESC&draft=15&pos=0&source=All&sort=18). Measured height > List Height.

bbh2020

07-08-2010, 06:24 PM

has anyone heard about chalmers being included in the deal?

someone is reporting that over at real gm, but everything i've read does not mention chalmers.

bing!

07-08-2010, 06:24 PM

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Michael-Beasley-605/links/

So, Amp is right... unless Beasley grew 2 inches in the past two years.

EDIT: ninja'd

Ghost Kat

07-08-2010, 06:25 PM

Not so much me saying so as DX saying so (http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?year=2008&sort2=DESC&draft=15&pos=0&source=All&sort=18). Measured height > List Height.

OK...But that was from 2008 right?

Fred Williamson

07-08-2010, 06:28 PM

he was 19 when he got drafted. you can be sure that grew at least an inch in these 2 years

Ampsportsduo

07-08-2010, 06:36 PM

he was 19 when he got drafted. you can be sure that grew at least an inch in these 2 years

Miami listed him at 6'9 1/2" his rookie year. I'll say he may be 6' 8 3/4" now.

Ghost Kat

07-08-2010, 06:40 PM

Silly question but why do we say So & So is such & such tall in shoes.....

Like they ever play barefoot

SWedd523

07-08-2010, 06:45 PM

We make out like idiots if we trade a starting Center for a backup Tweener without getting a pick or something else of value. And no, Jeffries is not considered "something else of value".

Are we seriously forgetting that Miami has been begging teams to take Beasley for anybody offering less salary in return? They wanted KEYON FREAKING DOOLING from the Nets.... only to get turned down.

He's a good player, yes. But we are in the position of power, we should be demanding much more in return.

ammofan

07-08-2010, 06:45 PM

Who likes be Beas avatar? lmao :D

rsxnova

07-08-2010, 06:46 PM

Who likes be Beas avatar? lmao :D

+1 lol, thats great

ammofan

07-08-2010, 06:47 PM

Thanks bro hahah

SWedd523

07-08-2010, 06:47 PM

Who likes be Beas avatar? lmao :D

Where's the bag of weed?

ammofan

07-08-2010, 06:51 PM

Where's the bag of weed?

funny.....but whats wrong with you? lol......Im gettin nothin but bad vibes from you today. Maybe you should get off the internet for a while lol

SWedd523

07-08-2010, 06:57 PM

funny.....but whats wrong with you? lol......Im gettin nothin but bad vibes from you today. Maybe you should get off the internet for a while lol

My bad, I guess I missed the "Let's trade a starter for a backup" train this afternoon. I'll get off the internet and go and see if I can catch the second one.

It's not my fault for trying to be rational.

teej

07-08-2010, 06:57 PM

Podcast next week is going to be interesting, especially if this goes down...

bing!

07-08-2010, 06:58 PM

My bad, I guess I missed the "Let's trade a starter for a backup" train this afternoon. I'll get off the internet and go and see if I can catch the second one.

It's not my fault for trying to be rational.

Easy there, tiger.

Beasley is neither the beginning nor the end of the Cats' summer.

:)

SWedd523

07-08-2010, 07:03 PM

Easy there, tiger.

Beasley is neither the beginning nor the end of the Cats' summer.

:)

But seriously though, that's not even a possible argument to make. The minute we have 4 PF's on the roster, they ALL lose value. Beasley already had no value. Other teams will see that we "need" to move one and will have higher demands for it.

Just like we should be doing with Miami. We should get more. Beasley is fine, Jeffries is fine, but we need MORE.

That's the only reason why I'm not happy about it.

Cats4lif3

07-08-2010, 07:03 PM

So I have staye out of this so far but,
first off beasley is 22 and still has more upside then hendo and ups combined, IF tought well he can reach it. Second I think we can judge this trade till offseason is over because I hink more is to comE and lastly... We took risks on Jack and tyrus and they worked out so let's all have some faith in our cats.

bing!

07-08-2010, 07:11 PM

It's as if everyone expects of the FO to mess this up so badly and eventually grab the thorny end just to get out of the mud pit they, themselves, jumped into. The pieces for this potential trade are far from being set in stone and I don't think any single fan would be satisfied if they were and this deal went down.

Barring the circumstances, Beasley > Chandler, but in light of what was previously stated, this is a big 'no'.

mrtarheel

07-08-2010, 07:15 PM

I think this is the beginning of our willing and dealing. Jefferies is an expiring and NY is said to be keeping money for next yr while also being rumored to have talks with Minny. How about Lee to Minny, Diaw and Ajinca to NY and Al Jefferson to Charlotte.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=29c5ga6

Curry is the S & T of Lee which should be around 10mill or so.

GOBOBCATS24

07-08-2010, 07:20 PM

Looks like the deal is dead. Obviously we wanted more and they werent willing,

http://twitter.com/davidnuno

SWedd523

07-08-2010, 07:20 PM

Barring the circumstances, Beasley > Chandler, but in light of what was previously stated, this is a big 'no'.

Most definitely. I haven't once said Chandler is better, but there's simply no need for Beasley unless it was part of a bigger deal where Two other PF's get moved. It's (painfully) obvious that LB loves Diaw. He's also said to love Tyrus. Where is SCB going to fit in? Especially with Jeffries, who is a much better defender and a guy LB has been said to like.

We don't need 4 quasi-starting PF's on the roster. Not with DJ being the only PG. And we definitely don't need to do it if it leaves us with a Nazr/Diop Center rotation.

Add in the fact that Beasley has literally ZERO value (reiteration: the Nets declined him for Dooling), and we really make out like fools if we don't at least get somebody's pick out of the deal, Jack from TOR, Chalmers from MIA, or Lowry from HOU

spectre

07-08-2010, 07:24 PM

It's as if everyone expects of the FO to mess this up so badly and eventually grab the thorny end just to get out of the mud pit they, themselves, jumped into.

I certainly do. From my POV they've gotten lucky with the Jax trade and that's it.

I'm with those that are concerned about the C spot and I have a feeling that Theo would choose the Heat over us like Amp said. Remember Nazr went down for a couple of months...anyone ready to run with a Magloire/Gana rotation at the 5?

TC has some very good skills and it appears that he's finally healthy. If he's going to play his ass off for a new contract let him do it here.

On a positive note...LB would have someone else to yell at besides DJ (if he's the starter).

ND22

07-08-2010, 07:26 PM

Looks like the deal is dead. Obviously we wanted more and they werent willing,

http://twitter.com/davidnuno

If that's the case, good to know we weren't willing to just take Beasley and Jefferies.

ammofan

07-08-2010, 07:43 PM

looks like the deal is dead. Obviously we wanted more and they werent willing,

http://twitter.com/davidnuno

noooooooooooooooooo

Mustachio

07-08-2010, 07:46 PM

awesome.... so its back to a guaranteed first round loss again. Good, i was starting to think we might make some positive moves.

stun704

07-08-2010, 07:48 PM

The deal isn't dead yet.. atleast not for charlotte, toronto, and Miami... I heard it is now a 3 way trade with Houston excluded

Cats4lif3

07-08-2010, 07:51 PM

The deal isn't dead yet.. atleast not for charlotte, toronto, and Miami... I heard it is now a 3 way trade with Houston excluded

lInk please? And where do we sen tyson

spectre

07-08-2010, 07:53 PM

The deal isn't dead yet.. atleast not for charlotte, toronto, and Miami... I heard it is now a 3 way trade with Houston excluded

Welcome to the board!

SWedd523

07-08-2010, 07:54 PM

awesome.... so its back to a guaranteed first round loss again. Good, i was starting to think we might make some positive moves.

Jesusley is the answer to our problems! That's why he's been such a hot commodity this offseason and why the Heat are having to turn down all sorts of offers for his services. :rolleyes: With the way the trade is currently constructed, we get trashed by any team with a post presence. You think Orlando tore us up? Wait until you have Nazr and Diop covering Dwight for a series.

dvdbumpus

07-08-2010, 07:56 PM

lInk please? And where do we sen tyson

My guess is Tyson still goes to the Heat. Beasley is a knucklehead though! Let's go after someone else. Beasley would drive LB to retirement.

spectre

07-08-2010, 07:56 PM

Backing up Stun's post...from a moderator on RGM Toronto board:

Adam Gold and Joe (missed his Last name) from ESPN Radio in Charlotte are reporting that the Raptors and Heat have almost agreed to a deal that doesn't involve Beasley and he will only be included if Charlotte is interested. They say Houston has now backed out of the discussions and that Charlotte would have to send something to both the Heat and Raptors.

I don't know how that would all work, but whatever... it's just another rumour.

Edit:

Same mod:

Saying Raptors may get an additional 2nd round Draft pick from Charlotte for being included or waivable filler.

ammofan

07-08-2010, 07:57 PM

The deal isn't dead yet.. atleast not for charlotte, toronto, and Miami... I heard it is now a 3 way trade with Houston excluded

Where did you hear that??? And welcome to BobcatsPlanet!

dvdbumpus

07-08-2010, 08:00 PM

Backing up Stun's post...from a moderator on RGM Toronto board:

Edit:

Same mod:

Can we send Diop somewhere if they're looking for another person? Let's get rid of that bogus contract.

Cats4lif3

07-08-2010, 08:14 PM

Why don't we just straight up trade nazr for beasley!!!!!

ammofan

07-08-2010, 08:15 PM

Why don't we just straight up trade nazr for beasley!!!!!

Because MIA is trying to dump Beasley for cash....not acquire more cash

Cats4lif3

07-08-2010, 08:48 PM

Anything new on this?

ammofan

07-08-2010, 09:03 PM

Anything new on this?

Not that I have heard....

Muttley

07-08-2010, 09:39 PM

Not that I have heard....
I'd expect the dominoes to start falling any second now.

Cats4lif3

07-08-2010, 09:41 PM

I hope so I'm tired of this lbj shit!

Muttley

07-08-2010, 09:43 PM

I hope so I'm tired of this lbj shit!
Yeah, he's definitely sounding full of crap right now. I feel bad for Cleveland (kinda - I guess they could've done more to keep him).

ammofan

07-08-2010, 09:45 PM

He doesnt seem very happy while talking.......

Anyway, this Beas trade is probably gonna happen sometime very soon.

Muttley

07-08-2010, 09:48 PM

He doesnt seem very happy while talking.......

I notice that too. Almost... regretful? Quick! Someone hand him some money, it'll pass in no time.

Cats4lif3

07-08-2010, 09:48 PM

Like it cu it gets rid of French toast or whatever the he'll we call his lazy ass

ammofan

07-08-2010, 09:50 PM

I notice that too. Almost... regretful? Quick! Someone hand him some money, it'll pass in no time.

He doesnt even seem to care about them telling him about the burning jerseys!

teej

07-08-2010, 10:52 PM

Marc Spears:

Raps & MIA having tough sign and trade conversations, but Hou & Char still willing 4-way trade partners. Raps want picks and salay cap space

eleaf14

07-08-2010, 11:02 PM

Where is Bonnell...cmon man...write the article about tonight's W, and get some scoop on the situation. That game ended 2 hours ago.

ammofan

07-08-2010, 11:11 PM

Where is Bonnell...cmon man...write the article about tonight's W, and get some scoop on the situation. That game ended 2 hours ago.

He doesnt have a clue

Twan's Kin

07-08-2010, 11:28 PM

I've said it before and I'll say it again... after we get Beasley (with Jax and Tyrus), all we have to do is get Delonte West on the team. (Hey... we need someone to play point guard). Then we'd be the Cincinnati Bengals of pro basketball.

Muttley

07-08-2010, 11:37 PM

Marc Spears:Raps want picks and salay cap space
Ha! We ain't got none of that!

Marvel

07-08-2010, 11:47 PM

Well, looks like Minny will be getting Beasley anyway in a trade with Miami.

Muttley

07-08-2010, 11:48 PM

Beasley to Mini-soda (http://twitter.com/STEIN_LINE_HQ)... apparently

... Oh, and this is perfect: Bonnell JUST posted an article (http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/07/08/1552139/michael-beasley-to-charlotte-bobcats.html) about the 'Cats trying to get Beasley. Unlucky, Ricky B!

SirBobcat

07-08-2010, 11:53 PM

Yay!!!!!!!

LiquidWayno

07-08-2010, 11:54 PM

I wouldn't mind Delonte West though.

SirBobcat

07-08-2010, 11:58 PM

yeah because we can cut him and save 4 million dollars!

ammofan

07-09-2010, 12:11 AM

oh well.................on to the next one.

Now whats the deal with raymond?

JGib23

07-09-2010, 12:12 AM

Beasley to Mini-soda (http://twitter.com/STEIN_LINE_HQ)... apparently

for a future 2nd rounder? wow.. just gave him away.... I guess they missed out on Lee... I guess this will keep them away from T2 though.

CatNation

07-09-2010, 12:16 AM

MJ should just offer Kahn a bottle of his secret stuff for Jefferson he'd probably take it

LiquidWayno

07-09-2010, 12:34 AM

Michael's secret stuff? "This goes against everything they taught me in health class" - David Kahn

gforce33

07-09-2010, 12:36 AM

Beasley told WED by Heat to expect trade and Bobcats highly motivated to get him.

The Bobcats are in serious talks to offer either Luis Scola or Tyrus Thomas a contract.

The proposed deal, sources said, would send Beasley and Rockets forward Jared Jeffries to Charlotte, land Bobcats center Tyson Chandler in Houston and create sufficient cap space for Heat president Pat Riley to offer max-contract money to Wade, Bosh and James. ESPN.com

GoBobs

07-09-2010, 12:44 AM

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5365794

Dcarnys

07-09-2010, 12:45 AM

Crap ill do it, anyones better then TC

Dcarnys

07-09-2010, 12:53 AM

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5365794

Crap, Kinda missed that one. :banghead:

SWedd523

07-09-2010, 12:59 AM

They Heat just traded him for a SECOND ROUNDER, and you guys were creaming at the thought of giving our best big man. Come on guys, step y'alls talent evaluation game up.

ammofan

07-09-2010, 01:01 AM

They Heat just traded him for a SECOND ROUNDER, and you guys were creaming at the thought of giving our best big man. Come on guys, step y'alls talent evaluation game up.

Since when is Tyson better than Tyrus?

gforce33

07-09-2010, 01:14 AM

....
Missed a chance:facepalm:

rsxnova

07-09-2010, 01:14 AM

Wow we should have really tried to pull that one off.

jazzer89

07-09-2010, 01:34 AM

if you read the espn article about the trade it states the timberwolves believe they will get rid of jefferson by the start of the season. maybe because the 4 team deal couldnt get us beasley its possible the wolves throw jefferson and beasley our way for some of our current players. the only reason this could be a possibility is because why would the wolves take on beasley if they already have a great pf in love and they just drafted another great forward this draft. i think the wolves have some big trades in their future and it may just be with us considering the sources that stated we wanted beasley very badly.

Marvel

07-09-2010, 01:51 AM

LiquidWayno

07-09-2010, 02:12 AM

If we had cap space like the Wolves, I'm sure we would offer a 2nd rounder for him....it's not so much a matter of talent evaluation as its that there really isn't a lot else we have to offer via trade - Nazr & Tyson. That's it.

SWedd523

07-09-2010, 08:36 AM

Since when is Tyson better than Tyrus?

He's not dude haven't you been watching? All it took was a Second Rounder to get him. That's it.

It took a First Rounder to get Lexy.

How do you still not understand that Beasley has no value on the trade market?

jdsingar

07-09-2010, 08:38 AM

They Heat just traded him for a SECOND ROUNDER, and you guys were creaming at the thought of giving our best big man. Come on guys, step y'alls talent evaluation game up.

I don't think that trade speaks on Beasley's talent at all. Moreover, our "best big man" is a relative statement. Beasley was only traded for a 2nd rounder because Miami was eager to get rid of him for cap purposes, and the reward for Minnesota simply absorbing him in a straight up deal is that they didn't have to give up much for him.

murphman

07-09-2010, 09:00 AM

The deal wasn't just for a 2nd round pick. They also agree to swap 1st round picks sometime in the future. I'm sure there are restricitions tied to that considering Minny has been a lottery team for some time and Miami should be picking near last for the forseeable future.

However there are trade restrictions on dealing 1st round picks. I'm not sure but I think you can't trade a pick in back to back drafts. Since our 2012 1st is traded, the earliest we could offer the same is a 2014 pick. I don't know about you guys but that is too much of a risk. We could be awful in the 2013 season and lose a high pick to our division rival just for a guy who may only be on our team for this season.

ammofan

07-09-2010, 10:00 AM

He's not dude haven't you been watching? All it took was a Second Rounder to get him. That's it.

It took a First Rounder to get Lexy.

How do you still not understand that Beasley has no value on the trade market?

What is your problem bro? I know he has no trade value, thats why he wasnt traded till now and it was only for a second rounder. Im not retarded. But I was asking...since when is Tyson our best big man like you said....I would be willing to give up Tyson in alot of deals if that meant us acquiring a few players that could help out our team.

EDIT: We are the only team that wanted Lexy....plus the team we traded the 1st rounder to, wasnt saying: Were going to take Lexy unless you give us a 1st rd pick!!! You cant compare his trade to this Beas thing because we traded for potential(Lex had notplayed a game)...and the Wolves traded for Beas who everyone has seen play for a few years.

ChuckHayes69

07-09-2010, 11:41 AM

Muttley

07-09-2010, 12:16 PM

I agree with you SWedd that the Beasley trade gave up too much, and didn't get enough back.

That said, I think a lot of people who are concerned that guys like Beasley and Hinrich are getting traded for "nothing" are forgetting that "nothing" is EXACTLY what Miami and Chicago, respectively, Preferred to get back in these situations.

Maybe I'm just reading the comments at the Observer too much, but people proposing that we could have given Miami more than what Minnesota was offering are wrong. We couldn't have. Miami didn't want Nazr. They didn't want anybody. What they wanted was a big pile of not-having-to-pay-Michael-Beasley (or anyone else for that matter). The 'Cats could not have offered that to Miami without a 3rd or 4th team involved like the Rockets or Rockets/Raptors scenarios.

Ampsportsduo

07-09-2010, 05:07 PM

The potential swap of first rounders could raise the price quite a bit. Haven't seen any specifics on it other than it can be pushed out for 7 years.

dvdbumpus

07-09-2010, 08:50 PM

The Lexy comparison is weak...We traded a future first rounder for a present first rounder. Beasley was a salary dump. 2 completely different things. That's like saying we drafted Morrison 3rd overall and Melo was drafted 3rd overall maybe we could swap the two.

I hope we make a play for Jefferson now, although I don't think we have the assets to do so.

Could be possible. It might happen still. We would trade Chandler for Jefferson - Chandler with his expiring contract, and since Jefferson has a 2 year longer deal it probably made sense. Here's what it'd look like:

Minnesota:
PG: Flynn or Rubio
SG Brewer
SF: Wes Johnson
PF: Beasley
C: Kevin Love

Us:
PG: Augustin
SG: Jax
SF: Crash
PF: Diaw/Thomas
C: Jefferson

A little worried about the PG spot for us but we can add some depth from somewhere. maybe a Diaw trade?

Keetch

07-09-2010, 09:31 PM

Damn Wolves. I wish the other teams in the league would just tell Riley;

"No, you can keep him."

I would love to see the 3 Amigos (they need big hats for sure) have to play with Beas. Why are so many NBA teams such weak gamers? You know some times you have to say NO just to keep the other team from getting stronger by helping them improve chemistry or cap space.

They never learn. "There's always a sucker." must be on Riley's office wall.

Demon DeaCat

07-09-2010, 11:48 PM

Could be possible. It might happen still. We would trade Chandler for Jefferson - Chandler with his expiring contract, and since Jefferson has a 2 year longer deal it probably made sense. Here's what it'd look like:

Minnesota:
PG: Flynn or Rubio
SG Brewer
SF: Wes Johnson
PF: Beasley
C: Kevin Love

Us:
PG: Augustin
SG: Jax
SF: Crash
PF: Diaw/Thomas
C: Jefferson

A little worried about the PG spot for us but we can add some depth from somewhere. maybe a Diaw trade?

I know there are mixed feelings here about us trading for Al Jeff, but your scenario is the very trade I've been hoping we'd pull off for a while now. TC for Jeff makes us very legit. I know the wolves seem eager to move him, I just can't get a sense for what they want for him. Are they looking to fill a particular position, just get some talent irrespective of position, draft picks, or just relief from Jefferson's salary any way they can get it? Our expirings are about all we'd have to offer, but it doesn't seem as though there are many takers for him so maybe that's enough.

kickazzz2000

07-09-2010, 11:53 PM

I know there are mixed feelings here about us trading for Al Jeff, but your scenario is the very trade I've been hoping we'd pull off for a while now. TC for Jeff makes us very legit. I know the wolves seem eager to move him, I just can't get a sense for what they want for him. Are they looking to fill a particular position, just get some talent irrespective of position, draft picks, or just relief from Jefferson's salary any way they can get it? Our expirings are about all we'd have to offer, but it doesn't seem as though there are many takers for him so maybe that's enough.

Somehow still get Devin Harris added to that, welcome to #2 in the east

Demon DeaCat

07-10-2010, 12:28 AM

To answer my own question, I just ran across this snipet.

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/68032/20100709/mavericks_still_talking_trade_with_wolves_on_jeffe rson/

Seriously, DeShawn Stevenson and Carroll? If that's all it's going to take to get Jefferson then we've got to make this happen. If they're wanting Dampier and even considering a deal involving these scrubs, then they're clearly only interested in salary relief. We can certainly make them an offer that trumps this. Hopefully the Mavs stand their ground on not dealing Dampier and maybe we could be in business.