Rap music from '88 to '92.

[Veteran_Picksetter]

Who else loves the rap music from this era? Which groups?

[WhatAboutBob_cats]

My favorite groups include, Gang Starr, Public Enemy, NWA, Eric B. & Rakim, A Tribe Called Quest, De La Soul, and probably some more that I've forgotten

[Ghost Kat]

Why just from "88-92"?

[ajbry]

Ah, the golden era.

Dr. Dre, N.W.A., ATCQ, Public Enemy, Ice Cube, and G-Funk in general.

My favorite song of all-time is from Nas' demo tape he released in '89.

[ziggy]

That was the era of 2 of my ALL-TIME favorites

Public Enemy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFjaO7OJaH8

and Boogie Down Productions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtrNj47u1D8

[Veteran_Picksetter]

Why just from "88-92"?



Well, I'm partial to that era. I went to shows for De La Soul (twice), A Tribe Called Quest, Brand Nubian, Public Enemy, and Third Bass during that time. And they were all great experiences at small, intimate clubs.

It seemed like a period when rap really expanded its subject matter, vocabulary, sampling, and vocal style. You had Public Enemy getting intellectual, political, and a bit revolutionary. You had De La Soul and A Tribe Called Quest taking wordplay and vocabulary into another realm, from what I could tell.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

[ziggy]

Well, I'm partial to that era. I went to shows for De La Soul (twice), A Tribe Called Quest, Brand Nubian, Public Enemy, and Third Bass during that time. And they were all great experiences at small, intimate clubs.

It seemed like a period when rap really expanded its subject matter, vocabulary, sampling, and vocal style. You had Public Enemy getting intellectual, political, and a bit revolutionary. You had De La Soul and A Tribe Called Quest taking wordplay and vocabulary into another realm, from what I could tell.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

In the annals of rap history, A Tribe Called Quest was so, so underated.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERQzl4xDpXk

[amour217]

An absolute CLASSIC

IHGDP0Gvs3Q

[dnbman]

Nice & Smooth
D Nice
Das FX

Also, with that whole Native Tongues movement: Leaders of the New School!

[Veteran_Picksetter]

Nice & Smooth
D Nice
Das FX

Also, with that whole Native Tongues movement: Leaders of the New School!

Aw yeah, Nice and Smooth. "Sometimes I rhyme slow, sometimes I rhyme quick" with the Tracy Chapman sample. I played that song OVER and OVER and OVER. Got the very same cassette single somewhere around here.

Native Tongues, baby.... Has anybody mentioned the Jungle Brothers?

[Chef]

pete rock and cl smooth
epmd
ll
run dmc
very early biggie

i see the golden age extending to 1997ish wu-tang, tupac, biggie, mobb deep and dying with puffy

[dnbman]

Aw yeah, Nice and Smooth. "Sometimes I rhyme slow, sometimes I rhyme quick" with the Tracy Chapman sample. I played that song OVER and OVER and OVER. Got the very same cassette single somewhere around here.

Native Tongues, baby.... Has anybody mentioned the Jungle Brothers?

True blue! All those groups were great.

My Nice and Smooth track was "Hip-Hop Junkies," but the other track was great too!

Another all time favorite: "They Reminisce Over You," by Peter Rock and C.L. Smooth.

[dnbman]

pete rock and cl smooth
epmd
ll
run dmc
very early biggie

i see the golden age extending to 1997ish wu-tang, tupac, biggie, mobb deep and dying with puffy

When I read about the golden age, I think it's early Wu-Tang, but sort of stops after those first series of solo releases. I've also heard some say the golden age ends with Pac and Biggie's deaths, which would be about the time you stated. I usually don't think of those two when I think golden era though.

[amour217]

Can't forget Whodini

[dnbman]

Can't forget Whodini

Whodini and Run DMC seem more like old school. Usually I think of the first 10 years of hip-hop as old school: basic boasting, straight forward rhymes, and fairly simple beats. Then comes the golden age when you have a big jump in the lyrical style along with producers like Premier making more organic sounding tracks. The sound becomes richer and the lyrics are arguably their most meaningful during this period. By the mid to late 90s, it breaks up into a bunch of different sub-genres with a steady stream of flavor of the month stables dominating-- No Limit, Crunk, Cash Money, etc. There was a lot of great stuff in the underground, but you never heard it on commercial radio.

Anyway, that's how I sort of think about it: three periods.

[Chef]

Whodini and Run DMC seem more like old school. Usually I think of the first 10 years of hip-hop as old school: basic boasting, straight forward rhymes, and fairly simple beats. Then comes the golden age when you have a big jump in the lyrical style along with producers like Premier making more organic sounding tracks. The sound becomes richer and the lyrics are arguably their most meaningful during this period. By the mid to late 90s, it breaks up into a bunch of different sub-genres with a steady stream of flavor of the month stables dominating-- No Limit, Crunk, Cash Money, etc. There was a lot of great stuff in the underground, but you never heard it on commercial radio.

Anyway, that's how I sort of think about it: three periods.

it's funny how hiphop now has a documented history. my dad is still saying it is a fad and will come and go like disco. granted he has been saying this since i started listening to it in the late 80's.

[dnbman]

it's funny how hiphop now has a documented history. my dad is still saying it is a fad and will come and go like disco. granted he has been saying this since i started listening to it in the late 80's.

Did you tell him that Chuck D. created rap music because he never dug disco?

Hip-hop practically is modern global culture.

[ziggy]

I may catch some flack for this, but I think hip-hop (not rap) started to slowly die with the rise of N.W.A. they took the music in an entirely different direction and unfortunately because of their success they spawned years and years of copycats.

Go ahead and jump me, I'm ready :paddle:

[Marvel]

I may catch some flack for this, but I think hip-hop (not rap) started to slowly die with the rise of N.W.A. they took the music in an entirely different direction and unfortunately because of their success they spawned years and years of copycats.

Go ahead and jump me, I'm ready :paddle:

Not true at all,in fact you couldn't be further from the truth.What has changed though is exposure."Rap" has become the media whore for the younger generation a la 50 Cent,The Game,Lil Wayne,The Diplomats etc.Rap artists today are just getting the spotlight and the popular consensus is,rap is hip hop,which it's not.
So basically what i'm saying is, people don't know the difference between rap and hip hop and it's become a very thin line to distinguish between the 2, unfortunately.
Hip hop is very much alive, it's just not exposed like rap is.Which,personally,i think is a beautiful thing.
That's my 2 cents on it anyway.

[bing!]

...people don't know the difference between rap and hip hop...

^ forgive my ignorance, but what exactly is the difference between those two genres?

[SWedd523]

The quality of rap music as charted by trigonometry. -1 being the beginning (Kool Herc); -0.5 being the rise in popularity (Sugarhill Gang, Run DMC, and LL); 0 being the high point in 93-94 (Nas, Biggie, Common, Fugees, Wu Tang debuts); 0.5 being the decline (50 Cent, Eminem, Lil Wayne); 1 being where it just flat out sucks (Gucci Mane, Soulja Boy, etc.)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fe/Kernel_cosine.svg/600px-Kernel_cosine.svg.png

[teej]

^ forgive my ignorance, but what exactly is the difference between those two genres?

I would guess that Hip-Hop is more of a rhythm and meaningful lyrics, rap is just talking over a bass line.

You kinda tell when you hear it.

[dnbman]

^ forgive my ignorance, but what exactly is the difference between those two genres?

Hip-hop is a culture. Rap is a style of mic delivery. The classic description of hip-hop is four pillars: rap, graffiti, breaking, and DJing.

I think what Marvel is saying is that NWA took rap from that hip-hop culture and starting making ghetto reporting which turned into exploitation, which turned into soulless garbage.

[dnbman]

I would guess that Hip-Hop is more of a rhythm and meaningful lyrics, rap is just talking over a bass line.

You kinda tell when you hear it.

Rapping is rapping. That's it. When people refer to real hip-hop, they're referring to a culture of do-it-yourself art and celebration that had loose parallels with punk rock.

In fact, you see the exact same parallels when people talk about "punk rock" music: punks look at the message and the life, while non-punks just see simple and fast rock music.

[teej]

In fact, you see the exact same parallels when people talk about "punk rock" music: punks look at the message and the life, while non-punks just see simple and fast rock music.

Hence the Jay-Z/Linkin Park mix?

[dnbman]

Hence the Jay-Z/Linkin Park mix?

I think P.E. and Anthrax (despite not really being punk) might be a better example. Jay-Z walks the line of hip-hop and Linkin Park isn't really remotely punk.

[Marvel]

^ forgive my ignorance, but what exactly is the difference between those two genres?

Well,rap isn't necessarily a genre.Rap existed way before hip hop even came out and founded itself(hip hop) on rapping/ryhyming.
Essentially,the difference between the 2 is hip hop is a culture.KRS One states there are 9 elements to which make up that culture which consists of breaking,DJing,beat boxing,MC,graffiti arts,street fashion,street knowledge,street language and street entrepreneurialism-trade and business.
Rap is something we do,hip hop is something we live,the way we view the world and everything in it.
Rap without culture is just rap,no true meaning.
Hip hop educates, uplifts and inspires.

[teej]

breaking,DJing,beat boxing,MC,graffiti arts,street fashion,street knowledge,street language and street entrepreneurialism-trade and business.

@DNB

I'd give Jay-Z at least 7 of those.

[dnbman]

@DNB

I'd give Jay-Z at least 7 of those.

No doubt. Where I think some in the hip-hop community don't like Jay-Z is he cops a lot of the phony commercialism that many people think stained the rap art form. Hip-hop isn't riding around on boats sipping Cristal.

A friend of mine once said that you can tell a real head by talking to him about snacks at the gas station. If he knows every kind and flavor of fruit related beverage, he's probably real.

[SWedd523]

There's only one flavor-- purple drank!!!


And I doubt they'd call them beverages. You cracker you :g:

[teej]

There's only one flavor-- purple drank!!!


And I doubt they'd call them beverages. You cracker you :g:

JaMarcus Russell agrees with you.

And Lil' Wayne.

[ziggy]

Not true at all,in fact you couldn't be further from the truth.What has changed though is exposure."Rap" has become the media whore for the younger generation a la 50 Cent,The Game,Lil Wayne,The Diplomats etc.Rap artists today are just getting the spotlight and the popular consensus is,rap is hip hop,which it's not.
So basically what i'm saying is, people don't know the difference between rap and hip hop and it's become a very thin line to distinguish between the 2, unfortunately.
Hip hop is very much alive, it's just not exposed like rap is.Which,personally,i think is a beautiful thing.
That's my 2 cents on it anyway.

I think we are actually more in agreement than you think.

With the introduction of N.W.A. people moved away from hip-hop towards rap. Record labels discovered that songs glorifying gang banging, drugs and violence made them more money than real hip-hop. Hence real hip-hop was no longer pushed by the record labels and interest in hip-hop waned, while interest in rap grew.

[Marvel]

I think we are actually more in agreement than you think.

With the introduction of N.W.A. people moved away from hip-hop towards rap. Record labels discovered that songs glorifying gang banging, drugs and violence made them more money than real hip-hop. Hence real hip-hop was no longer pushed by the record labels and interest in hip-hop waned, while interest in rap grew.

Ok,i see what you mean.True, record companies have blown up rap and thus glorified gang banging,hoes,money etc.But hip hop has never been a statement for glorifying material things,it doesn't mean it's slowly dying though.It's alive and well and i think the culture is as strong as ever,even more so since NWA came on to the scene.
The culture of hip hop and the exceedingly "interest" of rap growth,are 2 different things.
Hip hop isn't slowly dying,it's just that rap is a different means to an end.
Rap = money,self glory,hoes,bitches,guns,violence.
Hip hop = awareness,enlightenment,understanding,knowledge.
I guess you're right in saying that the "interest" in hip hop has died while the interest in rap is thriving but hip hop in and of itself, is alive.

[Chef]

No doubt. Where I think some in the hip-hop community don't like Jay-Z is he cops a lot of the phony commercialism that many people think stained the rap art form. Hip-hop isn't riding around on boats sipping Cristal.

A friend of mine once said that you can tell a real head by talking to him about snacks at the gas station. If he knows every kind and flavor of fruit related beverage, he's probably real.

not a Jay-Z fan, don't know why, but a huge hiphop fan. i don't think it was jay that was the beginning of the cristal and diamond era, but it was actually biggie. or in all actuality puffy. puffy killed hip hop.

the thing is, just like the nba, i think the fans put too much idealism into it. as fans we want to see the players care about the cities, legacies of the game, winning, their place in history (see James, LeBron). when, in reality, the players see it as a business and it is more about the money than the game.

the vast majority of artists love what they do, but are doing to make money. therefore, they make what sells. the second a "new" sound comes out and is a commercial hit ie crunk, gangsta, etc people cash in.

as for your drink thing. i get as a joke and chuckled at it, but that is one of things that is my biggest annoyance about hip hop today. it speaks of "being real" or ghetto fabulousness. there is difference between sell-out commercialism and remaining entrenched in a poverty mindset. it has gotten to the point that if a black man or woman becomes successful at anything other than singing, acting or sports they are selling out their community or not staying true to their roots. if they dare speak about self-reliance, criticize the lack of responsibility in parenting in the black community or move out of the crime infested inner city they are an uncle tom or have somehow lost their blackness. instead of being revered to higher point than entertainers they are seen as lepers. i get why it happens, i just think it wrong and would like to see hip hop embrace the notion that this is what should be important. when the ghetto lifestyle has gone from hip hop to commercial shouldn't the opposite lifestyle then become the new hip hop (assuming true hip hop is counter culture)?

[x2pacalypse]

i'm just gonna go ahead and butt into this thread with some modern day songs i think are great too, just to show people that there is still good stuff out there

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgjWwUs2Mys
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4OQU8qlSgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waxpn9QjC9Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWc4DG1s53g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vd3_y9Mh7IE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHLyPdt-Fi4

HIJACKED

[ziggy]

I'm loving this thread :biggrin:


An example of Hip-Hop


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPFcJTbVfkw


An example of today's Rap


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeXqcM9BVO8

[dnbman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9VYzNUXGDA&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu9wCJVkYhw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c09EeU2V0jE&feature=related

[img]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WBEo2QQJx8[img]

[dnbman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UuFHMnWMRo

[dnbman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VRZq3J0uz4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG4h1pGfHC8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAfrhmIvZ_s

[dnbman]

French hip-hop legend:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-n8kGW16RYs

[dnbman]

as for your drink thing. i get as a joke and chuckled at it, but that is one of things that is my biggest annoyance about hip hop today. it speaks of "being real" or ghetto fabulousness. there is difference between sell-out commercialism and remaining entrenched in a poverty mindset. it has gotten to the point that if a black man or woman becomes successful at anything other than singing, acting or sports they are selling out their community or not staying true to their roots. if they dare speak about self-reliance, criticize the lack of responsibility in parenting in the black community or move out of the crime infested inner city they are an uncle tom or have somehow lost their blackness. instead of being revered to higher point than entertainers they are seen as lepers. i get why it happens, i just think it wrong and would like to see hip hop embrace the notion that this is what should be important. when the ghetto lifestyle has gone from hip hop to commercial shouldn't the opposite lifestyle then become the new hip hop (assuming true hip hop is counter culture)?

I agree with you completely, but I guess the difference this way: the whole "back pack" hip-hop attitude is more just being a regular person. I see the snacks/drink comment as more of an expression of hip-hop's relative innocence or positivity than it's dedication to hood culture. What I hate is stuff like DJ Khaled's "I'm from the Ghetto," which seems to celebrate all of the tragedy it talks about in the song. (Though, I get that one might say it's about how people shouldn't let being from hood be a source of shame.) Rock music is the same way: if you make money people call you a sell-out. But, I think there's a big difference between doing your thing and making money versus being in the game solely to make money, aping every stereotype in cliche you can in the process. Producers and video directors are too seductive for kids to see the shallowness of it. Hope that makes sense.

To make the point:
Mos Def is making serious dollars. Cool.
Kia Shine made big dollars. WTF???

[x2pacalypse]

both nas and jay-z are mainstream but i consider jay-z to be a sellout, he is a good musician, but a sellout....nas has generally stayed true to his music with just a few hiccups here and there, and even his last album with damian marley was great (although a little heavy for nas)

edit: the whole point of this was to show there are ways to make money without becoming a sellout in hip hop

[dnbman]

edit: the whole point of this was to show there are ways to make money without becoming a sellout in hip hop

I think a lot of times you make a lot more money being a real hip-hop group. Chances are you own all or a much larger percentage of all of your publishing rights. You also control all of your expenses. Big labels can sell a lot of records and leave the artists virtually broke in a couple of years depending on the deal, especially if there's not a strong radio single that continues to get plays after it's popularity fades.

[Fred Williamson]

if you love the golden era, you have to check out this kid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FrFwQj1TSk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8IcqSqx_tA&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRLAOccUj4M

"When I didnt have a Mic. I rapped On headphones" :biggrin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3APL3G2o8cY

R.I.P. Charizma


some of my favourite songs at the moment:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JEDUqFEZHE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydIyEEyHDK8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hzHoSpGkjM

[Chef]

that first goodie mob album was good. not outkast good, but still pretty good.

[Veteran_Picksetter]

French hip-hop legend:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-n8kGW16RYs

I'm proud to say I bought an MC Solaar CD back in the mid-90's.

I went to Paris in 1995, and I heard some French rap blasting from radios, etc. It blew me away. I came home to the US, did a little research, and picked up a Solaar CD.

Some of my favorite stuff with Solaar:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TV0b74LLGk0

(R.I.P. Guru)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7j7SSy4GbuA

[ziggy]

Any EPMD fans around from that era?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUGisre9xNU

[Ghost Kat]

Hotnessssss

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjWG1h5j4eE

[Veteran_Picksetter]

Any EPMD fans around from that era?


I definitely remember the "crossover" song.....

[ziggy]

I am feeling this song tonight

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nQTYjhKYj4


I think I've played it about 10 times straight.

[rsxnova]

I was but a babe in 1988, but i started listening to the Beastie Boys at a young age.

[ziggy]

I was but a babe in 1988, but i started listening to the Beastie Boys at a young age.


By 1988 I was already in college with this Vanity poster on my dorm room wall :biggrin:

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w301/bobcatsplanet/o_MP0076.jpg

[dnbman]

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002MFXQ0M/ref=dm_ap_alb8?ie=UTF8&qid=1280794284&sr=8-1

For the evolved hip-hop crew.

[ziggy]

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w301/bobcatsplanet/wutangclan_lilgirl.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjZRAvsZf1g

[LiquidWayno]

I'm a MAJOR fan of this era and old-school hip hop in general. I've been beatboxing and rapping ever since I first heard "Human Beat Box" by the Fat Boys in my teenage years. Here's a tad of me freestyling and beatboxing as I jam with some with friends (we play bars, hopefully weddings and bars eventually too). This one was based on the riff to Eminem's "Stan"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqH3C-n9xcU

[LiquidWayno]

From 1984, still golden though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJewbFZHI34

[LiquidWayno]

Even better, despite the shitty quality -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a65kmDFfl2g&feature=related

[ziggy]

I'm a MAJOR fan of this era and old-school hip hop in general. I've been beatboxing and rapping ever since I first heard "Human Beat Box" by the Fat Boys in my teenage years. Here's a tad of me freestyling and beatboxing as I jam with some with friends (we play bars, hopefully weddings and bars eventually too). This one was based on the riff to Eminem's "Stan"


Liquid Wayno has skills, Very Nice!
:clapping:

[BlockParty]

A little bit of a crossover to Hip Hop, but Heavy D could string a rhyme together, he could also play DT for the Panthers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNEgUPKxk7A

Naughty By Nature's O.P.P. singlehandedly kept Yo MTV Raps alive for a year.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xGuGSDsDrM

Speaking of MTV Raps...here's a little J Lo and Jay Z (when they were still in our tax brackets)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=np8ibfgtzFs

Bone Thugs-n-harmony-The Crossroads

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daXQN58sv1s

[BlockParty]

I was in college from 88-92 and this song single handedly helped drown out the opinions of dorm-mates during disagreements.

Rob Base and DJ EZ Rock-It Take Two

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IBRbzf3Fws&feature=related

[ziggy]

I was in college from 88-92 and this song single handedly helped drown out the opinions of dorm-mates during disagreements.

Rob Base and DJ EZ Rock-It Take Two

Ah BlockParty, so you're an old geezer like me :biggrin:

I was in college during that same time period, I bet you remember this song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrSSE9tfh-Y

[BlockParty]

Ah BlockParty, so you're an old geezer like me :biggrin:

I was in college during that same time period, I bet you remember this song.


Yep..what more can I say :)

My job the first two years in college was head basketball manager for the James Madison Men's Basketball team (Lefty Driesell was my boss). One of our players, Claude Ferdinand was from the bronx, ny so he had the best rap songs in the lockerroom.

[BlockParty]

Two more...Sybil's Don't Make Me Over (more r&b then rap) and Lisa Lisa & Cult Jam with Full Force:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqfL0VK_ww0&feature=related

The guy in the video Lisa's left looks like Humpty Hump

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6_Gjr16C8A

[dnbman]

Don't front!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-g604eJDU4&feature=related

[dnbman]

Special Ed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lp6mR-TD9w&feature=related

An all time favorite:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC1psGZXZlw

[rsxnova]

Im learning so much about music from this thread. Everyday is something new.

[dnbman]

Ah BlockParty, so you're an old geezer like me :biggrin:

I was in college during that same time period, I bet you remember this song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrSSE9tfh-Y

The weird thing about this is that I don't remotely remember Audio Two, but as soon as I saw the song title, I heard the song in my head.

[ziggy]

Here is another classic from 90/91. Enjoy :biggrin:

DNB, How old were you during this era?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Msq6s_t42OA

[dnbman]

I was a young kid, but I loved rap music. I used to watch Yo! MTV Raps with Fab 5 Freddy when I was about ten. In fact, Tougher than Leather was one of my favorite tapes when I was that age!

[dnbman]

Here is another classic from 90/91. Enjoy :biggrin:


Loved a lot of their tracks, but hate how anti-gay they were. "Punks Jump Up to Get Beat Down" would be in my top 10 hip-hop songs ever if it wasn't for the "freak, fly, flow" line.

[Chef]

Loved a lot of their tracks, but hate how anti-gay they were. "Punks Jump Up to Get Beat Down" would be in my top 10 hip-hop songs ever if it wasn't for the "freak, fly, flow" line.

rap as a whole is very anti gay. black culture as a whole is anti gay. that is why prop 8 in california got voted. the turnout from the black and latino communities voting for obama actually led to the prop 8 passing.

[Fred Williamson]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXUltoGnDGI&p=93043AA5C73508BE&playnext=1&index=2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFKRT25Xh1w&feature=related

[dnbman]

rap as a whole is very anti gay. black culture as a whole is anti gay. that is why prop 8 in california got voted. the turnout from the black and latino communities voting for obama actually led to the prop 8 passing.

Maybe. Although, there a LOT of gay black people. I'm not really sure what that makes of "black culture." At any rate, there's a difference between not supporting and saying your going to "fuck up a fagot." I just don't feel comfortable supporting that kind of outspoken hostility.

[Chef]

Maybe. Although, there a LOT of gay black people. I'm not really sure what that makes of "black culture." At any rate, there's a difference between not supporting and saying your going to "fuck up a fagot." I just don't feel comfortable supporting that kind of outspoken hostility.

there is alot of gay every race, no doubt. if you are unsupportive of outspoken hostility, there is a lot of hip hop/rap you must not like. the hostility towards women, police, "uncle toms"/sellouts, snitches etc runs throughout hip hop.

by in large, hispanic and black cultures have issues with homosexuality due to religious views. not debating what the bible's stance is, those that are religious tend to view it as a sin and are therefore not very tolerant (don't read hate) of it as a lifestyle.

[teej]

by in large, hispanic and black cultures have issues with homosexuality due to religious views. not debating what the bible's stance is, those that are religious tend to view it as a sin and are therefore not very tolerant (don't read hate) of it as a lifestyle.

I was about to post that.

Blacks and hispanics who are straight tend to be very homophobic. Same with rednecks and muslims. Most educated whites/euros, or educated people in general, and most asians are pretty accepting. There are obviously exceptions, and I'm not trying to be racist, but that's the general stance.

[BlockParty]

I think it's important that they have a nice jumpshot, a sick cross-over dribble, super hops and endless energy....said from my basketball shaded perspective :biggrin:

[Chef]

I was about to post that.

Blacks and hispanics who are straight tend to be very homophobic. Same with rednecks and muslims. Most educated whites/euros, or educated people in general, and most asians are pretty accepting. There are obviously exceptions, and I'm not trying to be racist, but that's the general stance.

ouch...read...religious = non-educated.

[dnbman]

there is alot of gay every race, no doubt. if you are unsupportive of outspoken hostility, there is a lot of hip hop/rap you must not like. the hostility towards women, police, "uncle toms"/sellouts, snitches etc runs throughout hip hop.

That's very true: a lot of rap (and music in general) I don't like. Granted, some of it is a little more veiled, and I just don't pay as much attention. But, it's hard to ignore something like "I.... fuck up a fagot." Also, I think there's a difference between hip-hop bravado and boasting-- saying whey you're a better MC than the next guy-- versus hating a group of people.

OH! And I also don't mind venting for legitimate means-- police brutality, selling out hip-hop, politics, etc.

[ziggy]

I always thought Heavy-D was underrated for that era

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXco_ity0fw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSRyCMExqk4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6JT1-P5lmQ

[teej]

ouch...read...religious = non-educated.

For the most part that's true, especially in the rural south (i.e. NC/SC), and the Middle East.

I'm not saying you have to be dumb to be religious, but for better or for worse those who are educated question most religious ideas.