Boris for Toronto's TPE?

[CatNation]

thats the rumor going on now...what does that give us? just cap space?

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/2010/07/11/20100711phoenix-suns-acquire-hedo-turkoglu-josh-childress.html

apparently we get dwayne jones too. zzz

[Black]

whatever gets rid of him, im for it....we could turn that money and Chandler into a pretty decent deal

[Proudiddy]

Good find CN... I'm really surprised that's all we're getting back in return, especially since you would think Colangelo values Diaw much more than any other GM in the league.

It sounds like this is already done, there must be a bigger move piggybacking off this. Although I am happy we're clearing the room for TT to take over the starting role and give UPS more time as well. TT as a starter will make a huge difference for us.

BTW, Dwayne Jones has to be happy coming back to his former team of 10 days, or whatever it was...

[French_Cats]

Diaw is official is transferred for Dwayne Jones , I'm too happy Diaw suck :clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping:

[CatNation]

Diaw is official is transferred for Dwayne Jones , I'm too happy Diaw suck :clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping:
with that username youre the last person i would have imagined saying that :D

[French_Cats]

lol Diaw is a fat ass :biggrin:

[CatNation]

lol Diaw is a fat ass :biggrin:

Whats your source that is this official? all i see is still rumors...

[French_Cats]

Whats your source that is this official? all i see is still rumors...


the best french journalist basketball

http://www.basketusa.com/news/rumeurs/38212/hedo-turkoglu-et-josh-childress-vers-phoenix/

[Proudiddy]

if you google diaw, there's multiple people/sources tweeting it, but can't tell if they're just re-stating the article or reporting it as done. The article itself seems to suggest it's pretty much done though.

[Proudiddy]

the best french journalist basketball

http://www.basketusa.com/news/rumeurs/38212/hedo-turkoglu-et-josh-childress-vers-phoenix/

How can I translate that to English? I did see that he's referencing the AZ Republic article though...

[French_Cats]

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/2010/07/11/20100711phoenix-suns-acquire-hedo-turkoglu-josh-childress.html

[CatNation]

How can I translate that to English? I did see that he's referencing the AZ Republic article though...

Yeah I see that too. Basically from all I can find its just this one source still...

whats the value of a TPE cap experts? Are we gettin a good deal here? toronto fans seem rather angry lol

[Cats4lif3]

It was from bosh's so my guess is it should be 8 mil or higher. But I'm far from an expert

[Proudiddy]

Wow, nice little nugget the French paper suggests there at the end.

And I know everything doesn't translate smoothly, but thanks to Google Translate, it sounds like the writer is talking shit about our use of Diaw in the 2nd to last paragraph lol...


A word about Toronto has lost five days in Chris Bosh and Hedo Turkoglu, but decided to move forward by focusing on seemingly Boris Diaw and Leandro Barbosa, two former Suns. The French have everything to gain by joining a formation that has no leader and where his versatility will undoubtedly wonder. Boris was on an average season with Charlotte, where he had his intelligence and sense of play to get out of class along with Stephen Jackson and Gerald Wallace. For the Raptors, he will have more responsibilities.

As for Charlotte, which has lost Raymon Felton, he's a "trade exception" several million to recruit a playmaker We talk about Luke Ridnour or Ramon Sessions.

I wouldn't be mad at getting Ridnour or Sessions at the right price, along with DJ and Collins.

BTW, I didn't even think about the Raps getting Barbosa AND Diaw back together... Colangelo is working...

[Cats4lif3]

Hornets need money..... Now we feet money...... We need pg...... They have 2.... Any relations???

[French_Cats]

http://twitter.com/paulcoro/status/18333450426

[CatNation]

Hornets need money..... Now we feet money...... We need pg...... They have 2.... Any relations???

its been done to death but get us jeff/sessions or collision! lol

would chandler+tpe for sessions/jefferson work?

edit: is a tpe actually something we get that can even be traded again or do we just get capspace? I need to learn this cap stuff a little better

[Marvel]

Yes.......Yes,no mo' Diaw.:biggrin: I don't care if we get nothing for his fat ass, this is beautiful.

[Cats4lif3]

nOt sure what it exactly means but the trade exception is worth 16 million

[Proudiddy]

its been done to death but get us jeff/sessions or collision! lol

would chandler+tpe for sessions/jefferson work?

edit: is a tpe actually something we get that can even be traded again or do we just get capspace? I need to learn this cap stuff a little better

good question, so does that mean we're freeing up the roughly 9+mil from trading Diaw plus acquiring an additional 8 mil in cap space to work with in a future trade?

So 17 mil total... Another trade must be coming.

edit: saw cats4lif3 said the exception was worth 16mil, so make that 25 mil total

[CatNation]

from what I was reading I don't think we get the whole 16 mil TPE I think its just a part of it...

anyway NBA.com is reporting the first part of this trade so the guy must be legit. he was a suns writer though so I wouldn't totally sure on his knowledge of bobcats raptors talk..

http://www.nba.com/news/features/aldridge.2010.freeagency/#?ls=iref:nbahpt1

[French_Cats]

[QUOTE=Proudiddy;170932]good question, so does that mean we're freeing up the roughly 9+mil from trading Diaw plus acquiring an additional 8 mil in cap space to work with in a future trade?


yes.

[Proudiddy]

ESPN just had a blurb on the bottom line that I caught this at the end of it "Bobcats... acquire... 2nd round pick..." Didn't catch what was in between that but they also have the same Diaw for TPE deal on espn.com

[CatNation]

ESPN just had a blurb on the bottom line that I caught this at the end of it "Bobcats... acquire... 2nd round pick..." Didn't catch what was in between that but they also have the same Diaw for TPE deal on espn.com

no dvr?? :paddle:

[Proudiddy]

no dvr?? :paddle:

lol nope, university/campus housing sucks...

[GOBOBCATS24]

You probably saw that the Hawks were receiving a 2012 2nd rounder with the trade exception in exchange for the rights to Josh Childress. you KNOW the Charlotte Bobcats aren't going to acquire draft picks as we only hand them out and never ask for them.

[CatNation]

well I've got class in 7 hours so whatever happens I guess I'll find out in the morning..night yall

[TheBeagle]

A fabulous trade for us if it happens. Diaw became virtually useless when Jack arrived, and now there are some extra funds to acquire a 1. Kudos, Rod and MJ :clapping:

[GOBOBCATS24]

I have been waiting for this moment since November 16th 2009 when I realized Boris Diaw didn't give a shiate about this franchise. He is a nice guy though with so much skill its rediculous.

I played horse with him once last year. I tried every trick shot i knew and he just threw them in and made them look like the most simple shots on the planet. I have a lot of respect for his skillZ but his mentality on court was just terrible.

We all know theres a big trade coming especially now.

KEEP ON TRUCKIN FRONT OFFICE!

[GoBobs]

A TPE is not an something that can be traded between teams. We are not getting the Raps TPE. The Raps use part of their 16 mil TPE to acquire Diaw because they are over the cap, so like 8 mil of it gets used up.

Because we are taking back less salary and also over the cap trading Diaw creates a TPE for us in the amount of the difference in salary between Jones and Diaw.

So we would currently have an 8 mil TPE as well as our Mid level exception (which cannot be combined by the way)

My best guess is still that they are going after TJ Ford simply because we need a pg and he is obtainable. Clearing 8 mil under the tax is also about what we need to fit his contract, which is at least expiring.

[tamburello]

GoBobs is correct, our TPE would be $ 8.1 million worth and could be used in one year. And it cannot be combined with either MLE or player contracts. So all we would be gaining after this trade is some flexibility, since we have now some distance from lux tax limit. We can now freely use our MLE.

I'm not very happy with this trade, we should be getting a draft pick from the Raptors at least. And although the guys around here are extremely happy to get rid of Diaw, he was one of the players I liked on our roster. He was the real playmaker of our offense sometimes. Anyway, he had become redundant as we have re-signed Tyrus, I wish him good luck with Toronto.

And some fellas here want CP3 badly. I do, too. However, right now, the only trade asset we have is Chandler's contract. A straight trade TC for Paul is working, but it cannot be completed until July 28, since traded players cannot be traded back to their former teams within a year.

[GoBobs]

The price for paul would be much higher I am afraid.

I would be all over a Ford + Tyler H for our TPE + a 2nd round pick. Not a huge Ford fan but I think Tyler is going to be really good.

Guessing Dwayne Jones is going to either get waived or another trade is coming. We don't really need another center.

[Marvel]

Kidding me, i could give a rats ass if we got a bag of nuts for Diaw.I'm over the moon he's gone.$9.5 mil on this guy for what.Skill set my ass.
GET OUTTA HERE DIAW!!!!

[DY_nasty]

Great move by the FO

I'm so happy :biggrin:

[bing!]

I'm still ambivalent as to whether I'm happy or sad he left... guess I'll just have to wait and see what that money is gonna reel in.

[SWedd523]

After the Raps got two firsts in the Bosh trade, I would have expected us to get one in return. Or Maybe Diaw for Jack + TPE.

I'm going to reserve judgement on this trade until I find out what follows it.

[polarcat]

i wish it was jack + tpe coming back but it's looking like that won't be. just the tpe would be alright by me considering how badly i want diaw out of the qc. came across via realgm board that it might actually include tc now and we get back calderon and the tpe. not a fan at all if that's the new deal.
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=16779

[murphman]

Do we still have the 3 million trade exeception from the Raja trade? If so, does that give us over 11 million trade exception combined or does it not work that way?

I'm really happy if this goes down. We will have some serious space to play with and there is still so much time before camp to see what other opportunity falls into our lap.

[CatNation]

9:20 am not a peep from Bonnell yet :g:

[murphman]

9:20 am not a peep from Bonnell yet :g:

Well the Suns/Raptors trade has to be completed and approved by the league before we can move Diaw to Toronto. Plus they could always change their minds at the last minute. :facepalm:

[BigMike]

PLEASE let this trade go through! Please please please please please......

[SirBobcat]

A lot of us were adamant about wanting Tyrus Thomas as the starting Power Forward and this move not only immediately sheds the contract, but it makes Tyrus Thomas the starting Power Forward. Using a basic calculator and HoopsWorld's salaries listed, if this deal happens, then we currently have approximately 63 million dollars of salaries between 11 players on the roster.

C- Chandler/Mohammed/Ajinca/Diop/Jones
PF- Thomas/Brown
SF- Wallace
SG- Jackson/Henderson
PG- Augustin

Obviously, we'll use the remaining space to make things a lot more even considering the depth below the big men is extremely weak.

Another calculation i've done for the following season with the current salaries and considering that Tyrus Thomas' next year salary is 7 million dollars: The Bobcats have 40,432,379 million dollars into 7 players

Next year's roster with current roster and no more moves

C- Ajinca/Diop
PF- Thomas
SF- Wallace
SG- Jackson/Henderson
PG- Augustin

The Bobcats would have significant cap space for the first time in years and still a 7 man roster...which i'm sure they'd try to bring back Derrick Brown for as cheap as they could to make it a modest 8 man roster to start out with.

Watch out next summer...perhaps we'll use the trade exception there and use it to bring in NC native Chris Paul!

[ohara831]

Waiting to see what the deal is before I pass judgment. But Diaw gone is a good start.

[ammofan]

Man I hope we can get Calderon. He has a big contract but I know a Raps fan and he said he's not as bad as alot of fans make him out to be.
I heard this may be going down:
Charlotte Trades-Tyson Chandler, Boris Diaw
Toronto Trades- Jose Calderon, TPE

So our lineup looks like:
Calderon/Augustin
Jackson/Hughes?/Henderson
Wallace/UPS
Tyrus/McGuire?
Nazr/Diop/Ajincaaaaaa

And then I would think we would go after Al Jeffereson with the TPE and then get this lineup:

Calderon
JAck
Wallace
Tyrus
Jefferson

:D

[Ghost Kat]

Yesterday the Raptors shipped off Hedo Turkoglu to Phoenix and got Leandro Barbosa in return and have a deal that's likely to drop today which will return Boris Diaw for Jose Calderon and Tyson CHandler for the trade exception the team obtained from Miami in the Bosh sign-and-trade deal.

Read more NBA news and insight: http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=16779#ixzz0tTfdMDd0


I really hope this isn't a another trick to get me all hyped up about Boris leaving.

[ammofan]

Yesterday the Raptors shipped off Hedo Turkoglu to Phoenix and got Leandro Barbosa in return and have a deal that's likely to drop today which will return Boris Diaw for Jose Calderon and Tyson CHandler for the trade exception the team obtained from Miami in the Bosh sign-and-trade deal.

Read more NBA news and insight: http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=16779#ixzz0tTfdMDd0


I really hope this isn't a another trick to get me all hyped up about Boris leaving.


that would be a better trade for us. Then we can spend the TPE on a center and still have a good PG.

[Cats4lif3]

Ammofan I hope you are right

[Proudiddy]

Well the Suns/Raptors trade has to be completed and approved by the league before we can move Diaw to Toronto. Plus they could always change their minds at the last minute. :facepalm:

You'd think Bonnell would at least provide some insight as to what exactly we're getting back if it goes through (Calderon/Exception or just Jones/Exception), or what we're looking at doing after... Does he think if he reports on it then they'll nix the deal?

I'm tired of it man.

He must've broke his cpu after drowning it in the tears of losing Raymond Felton.

Can't wait for his next update this morning: Jack Admits It, He Threw a Haymaker During Malice at the Palace.

[Ghost Kat]

If we can get rid of Diaw and Tyson in the same day I'll be so happy I might just go home and impregnat my wife.

The cap space might be the best part of the deal

[Chef]

NO WAY JOSE! his deal is awful. i would much rather have...gulp...tj ford for 1 year at 8.5 mil. plus jose is soft and lb would eat him up for dinner.

ps. this is a GREAT move on its own. 1. why the suns want turk who knows 2. why the raps want boris who knows

[ammofan]

NO WAY JOSE! his deal is awful. i would much rather have...gulp...tj ford for 1 year at 8.5 mil. plus jose is soft and lb would eat him up for dinner.

ps. this is a GREAT move on its own. 1. why the suns want turk who knows 2. why the raps want boris who knows

Why would anyone want TJ over Jose? Jose is wayyyyy better than TJ and I dont care if TJ expires, I want better players.

[Chef]

Why would anyone want TJ over Jose? Jose is wayyyyy better than TJ and I dont care if TJ expires, I want better players.

Jose Calderon

$9,000,000 2010

$9,780,993 2011

$10,561,985 2012

do you want him as our point guard for the next 3 years? i don't.


ps. mod's, now that boris is gone please change the player name order immediately. i don't want his name anywhere near mine.

[Black]

toronto's fans want to dump Jose as bad as we want to dump Boris....keep him the hell away from Charlotte

[ammofan]

Jose Calderon

$9,000,000 2010

$9,780,993 2011

$10,561,985 2012

do you want him as our point guard for the next 3 years? i don't.


ps. mod's, now that boris is gone please change the player name order immediately. i don't want his name anywhere near mine.

I would rather have him then boris....and i would rather have him then tj ford

[BETCATS]

Diaw for Jose is okay
Tyson for a trade exception is :g:

WHAT WILL WE DO NEXT? (Turn off caplocks)

[Cats4lif3]

It will work best for the bobcats if it were to seperate trades

diaw for calderon
And
Chandler for TPE( this would make th TPE about 12 mill which if I'm not mistaking is exactly what we need for big al)

[BobCatsFanInTx]

A TPE is not an something that can be traded between teams. We are not getting the Raps TPE. The Raps use part of their 16 mil TPE to acquire Diaw because they are over the cap, so like 8 mil of it gets used up.

Because we are taking back less salary and also over the cap trading Diaw creates a TPE for us in the amount of the difference in salary between Jones and Diaw.

So we would currently have an 8 mil TPE as well as our Mid level exception (which cannot be combined by the way)

My best guess is still that they are going after TJ Ford simply because we need a pg and he is obtainable. Clearing 8 mil under the tax is also about what we need to fit his contract, which is at least expiring.Fuck!!! TJ makes me bored Ford is not the answer for our team!!

[Plowright]

Anyone else rather have ray for 8 mill a year than calderon? Anyone it is basically the same contract at the pg

[GoBobs]

I really hope we don't get Jose. That would ruin all chance of getting Melo next summer or cp3 the summer after that.

[dvdbumpus]

Anyone else rather have ray for 8 mill a year than calderon? Anyone it is basically the same contract at the pg



I agree there, OR we could just go after Ramon Sessions and his sub $4 million a year contract? ? ? ?

I say go with that. :D

[TrytoCompete]

I think it's written in stone. The God's have spoken and we shall acquire TJ FORDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!:mad:

[Plowright]

Sent this email to Rick:

All is quiet from you rick, surely youmust be investigating these reports of Diaw to Toronto for a trade exception and dwayne jones. The fact seem to be very sketchy, maybe why you are taking our time??? Anyway all of us over on bobcatsplanet.com are itching to fins out of this is true and if it is part of something bigger
ps: Any news if Mikhail Torrance or Sherron Collins are getting a training camp invite? Or to early, if it is would you expect them to. Why didnt Torrance play for heat in the summer leagu game?

All the best from England

James Plowright

Then got this reply:

I'm pursuing independent confirmation. I assume the trade exception would get them a point guard. T.J. Ford, maybe?

interesting...

[Black]

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NBA&hl=137755&id=947

[Proudiddy]

Yeah, despite LB's professed loyalty to Felton, you gotta believe that he didn't feel Ray was a long-term answer if we let him go knowing we could dump enough salary to re-sign him anyway...

[ajbry]

Bonnell weighs in:


The Charlotte Bobcats are close to sending Boris Diaw and possibly Tyson Chandler to the Toronto Raptors in a three-way deal including the Phoenix Suns that would acquire point guard Jose Calderon and at least one other player, a source from one of the three teams involved confirmed.

Acquiring Calderon would address the gaping hole at point guard after Raymond Felton agreed to terms with the New York Knicks. Diaw, a power forward, becomes expendable since the Bobcats committed to a five-year, $40 million deal with Tyrus Thomas. Chandler, a center, is an expiring contract worth about $12 million this season.
http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2010/07/bobcats-close-to-trading-diaw-chandler-aquiring-calderon.html

[Proudiddy]

Bryan Colangelo is at it again.

In a complex transaction that’s still not finalized, the Raptors are shipping out Hedo Turkoglu, Jose Calderon and one other piece not yet confirmed and getting back Leandro Barbosa of the Phoenix Suns, Boris Diaw and possibly Tyson Chandler from the Charlotte Bobcats.

http://thestar.blogs.com/raptors/2010/07/its-all-one-deal-and-its-bye-bye-turk-and-jose.html

i guess calderon is ours...

[CaptainCrunch]

^this would be awesome

[Black]

I wonder who the other player is.

[Cats4lif3]

Rick failed to metion the trade exception.....

[eleaf14]

Color me skeptical. I would have thought that Chandler and Boris would have brought in better pieces. Is Calderon going to be our backup? If so I would think that sum of money is way excessive for a backup. The only way this turns out positive is if we can get Big Al from Minny with the TRE. Otherwise I am not going to be happy.

[Proudiddy]

So I don't get it??? Are we still getting the trade exception from Toronto if we're still taking back Calderon and sending Chandler?

I wouldn't be super excited about getting Calderon, but offensively he definitely gives us what LB needed - a guy with a ridiculously good Asst.-TO ratio and a threat shooting the ball from outside... BUT, as with many of the Euro gaurds, the guy's defense is questionable.

That being said, if we can turn the cap space into someone like Al Jefferson, I will blow my wad.

[polarcat]

I wonder who the other player is.

I'm guessing it's Damon Jones, but idk.

[GoBobs]

So Nazr, Diop, Lexy and possibly Dwayne Jones are going to be our only centers. :facepalm: We give up both guys who can play center or pf in Diaw and Chandler. I am losing faith in our front office fast. I can't help but think this LB is behind this. Larry will probably make Jose look better on offense but still this sucks.

[jdsingar]

I'm curious as to what the TPE could get us. I'm pretty convinced that Chandler could get us more. Calderon for Diaw straight up isn't bad at all, but $10 mil a year for an average PG is really a stretch. Going for young PG talent or someone like Devin Harris would be a much better move.

[dav7z]

If we get Jones his contract is not granteed til Aug 15th. Im sure we cut him and save another milion of cap space 992 thousand.

http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/suns.jsp

[G-Force FTW]

Just some more confirmation............

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/rumors/post/Raptors-dealing-Turkoglu-adding-Diaw;_ylt=Arc7FTTeZ62dA6IVHh6i1Lc5nYcB?urn=nba,255 335

[murphman]

So we will not offer Felton 8 million per for 3 years but we will pay Jose 9.75 per?

[Proudiddy]

I like the version of Diaw for Calderon/Jones/trade exception better than the version of us giving up Diaw AND Chandler.

Giving up both hurts us in future deals, b/c I could see the Wolves taking Chandler and using him in their rotation rather than just sending him home while they wait for his contract to expire... I don't see the Wolves wanting to put Nazr in their rotation.

[dav7z]

It looks like we trying to trade Boris for Calderon straight up.
Then Chandler for the exemption Whitch would be 12.7 that way. Thats our incentive for taking Calderons contract. Money has more value than players right now.

Then i could see us trading for Jefferson with the exemption.

I just don't know if the Raptors will take on TC.

[x2pacalypse]

So we will not offer Felton 8 million per for 3 years but we will pay Jose 9.75 per?

hah that's all i keep thinking about

[Proudiddy]

It looks like we trying to trade Boris for Calderon straight up.
Then Chandler for the exemption Whitch would be 12.7 that way. Thats our incentive for taking Calderons contract. Money has value than players right now.

Then i could see us trading for Jefferson with the exemption.

I just don't know if the Raptors will take on TC.

So trading TC for the exception... Will that just technically 'transfer' the exception to us of about 12.7 mil? Rather than the exception PLUS the room created by Chandler being traded, so like 12 plus 12 mil for use in trade?

Sorry, don't know how this works.

[GoBobs]

Plus Feltons contract has a team option in the third year, which is really nice if you plan to go after Paul.

[dav7z]

hah that's all i keep thinking about

Im thinking only if they take TCs contract
The exemption can be better used else where if they don't take on TCs contract.

Like Sessions and Jefferson for for the exemption and fillers . We siting in the drivers seat on this one either way.

[CatNation]

raptors fans are saying now we won't even be getting the TPE :confused:

diaw/calderon and tyson for reggie evans/marcus banks??

wtf is going on...

[ajbry]

If they're really cashing in Chandler for Evans and Banks... :facepalm:

[dav7z]

So trading TC for the exception... Will that just technically 'transfer' the exception to us of about 12.7 mil? Rather than the exception PLUS the room created by Chandler being traded, so like 12 plus 12 mil for use in trade?

Sorry, don't know how this works.

The 12.7 exemption has that much value 12.7 enough to trade for Jefferson straight up.
It puts us 12.7 milion under the cap thet can be used on another player . But its a time period to use it . If you don't use it with in a year you lose it.

[Scottley Crue]

I definitely think it'd be best to see if you could get the TPE for Chandler. Then that's about what Jefferson makes, right? IIRC, it seemed Minny wanted Dampier's contract because you could immediately get rid of it...basically wanting nothing for Jefferson. Well, if we can get the TPE for Chandler's contract, we can give Minny exactly what they appear to be looking for, nothing that can actually be used to their advantage later if they choose.

I'm Ok with Calderon, but if you can add him to replace Raymond and Jefferson at center, I think that helps tremendously. We'd need to strengthen the bench some, I believe, but you'd have a solid post threat and a good outside shooter in the starting five.

[Proudiddy]

raptors fans are saying now we won't even be getting the TPE :confused:

diaw/calderon and tyson for reggie evans/marcus banks??

wtf is going on...

I had a bad feeling this would be what happened and our dumb asses would trade them TC anyway and not get the TPE back...

If this is what happens, I hope they send a bottle of K.Y. with the other crappy pieces of the deal while our front office is bent over holding their ankles.

[CatNation]

I had a bad feeling this would be what happened and our dumb asses would trade them TC anyway and not get the TPE back...

If this is what happens, I hope they send a bottle of K.Y. with the other crappy pieces of the deal while our front office is bent over holding their ankles.

apparently that would give us 7.5 mil cap space or something like that. god knows what we would do with that...evans is definitely a LB player though

[dav7z]

hah that's all i keep thinking about

Im thinking only if they take TCs contract
The exemption can be better used else where if they don't take on TCs contract.

Like Sessions and Jefferson for for the exemption and fillers . We siting in the drivers seat on this one either way.

[Proudiddy]

apparently that would give us 7.5 mil cap space or something like that. god knows what we would do with that...evans is definitely a LB player though

I can only figure up around 2 mil cap space - Evans is due 5M and Banks 4.7M this season, which I believe is the last year in each of their contracts, so they're expirings...

That's about 10 mil coming back in exchange for TC's 12.7 mil. Diaw and Calderon's contracts pretty much cancel each other out...

So the only difference is between TC and Evans/Banks contracts.

[Proudiddy]

The 12.7 exemption has that much value 12.7 enough to trade for Jefferson straight up.
It puts us 12.7 milion under the cap thet can be used on another player . But its a time period to use it . If you don't use it with in a year you lose it.

thanks dav!

[Chef]

how can we manage to screw up a home run trot? we basically trade diaw for cash. then we have to go and say you know what for chandler too, lets throw in an overpaid point guard who is destined to be crushed by larry brown. instead of doing the smart thing. taking the money and trading for tj ford and a pick from the pacers. then using his expiring and tysons later for more pieces. i would think jordan would be much smarter than this particularly going into a lockout season who's outcome will most likely greatly favor the owners.

[ohara831]

If we are giving Diaw and TC and NOT getting the TPE, I want Bargs coming over in the trade! Damnit!

[GoBobs]

I can kind of understand the FO or Larry wanting Jose, but we could have gotten him for Diop + a vet min deal. Huge fail.

[polarcat]

Seriously! The TPE + Calderon is all we need for Meow + TC and then followed by Jefferson. Why and/or how did it dissolve into a lateral pg and some garbage back-up pf, while not clearing cap space? Well, the deal has already morphed a couple times already today, maybe it still has room to change again.

[Proudiddy]

Here's another twist, NBC Sports is saying the deal is already done... But now it's just Diaw for a TPE.

But not the Bosh TPE.

Instead, it's:

Diaw

for

TPE Raptors Acquired from Suns for Turkoglu.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/07/toronto-raptors-trade-for-boris-diaw.php

No mention of Calderon, Chandler, or any other players...
WTF????

[CatNation]

raptor fans really jumping the gun on this without a legit source. i think ill wait and see what unfolds. theyre already grading the deal and calling it official :facepalm:

[Mustachio]

http://www.acclaimimages.com/_gallery/_images_n300/0095-0510-3020-1619_young_boy_licking_a_large_lollipop_or_sucker. jpg

[bbh2020]

i'm not sure how it could be for the tpe from the suns. i believe they used that to acquire josh childress from the hawks.

[JefDav84]

BobcatsBball

#Bobcats trade update. Tyson confirmed to Y! Sports that he has been traded to #Raptors via @SpearsNBAYahoo #NBA #Trade #Suns

[CatNation]

then again....

SpearsNBAYahoo (http://twitter.com/SpearsNBAYahoo)
Tyson Chandler confirms to Y! Sports he was traded to the Toronto Raptors. 15 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/SpearsNBAYahoo/status/18370326754) via TweetDeck (http://www.tweetdeck.com/)

edit: ^ ahh you got me ha

[eleaf14]

so we werent able to get rid of diaw after all of this?

[bobcatniners09]

Tyson for who?

[gforce33]

The Charlotte Bobcats are close to sending Boris Diaw and possibly Tyson Chandler to the Toronto Raptors in a three-way deal including the Phoenix Suns that would acquire point guard Jose Calderon and at least one other player, a source from one of the three teams involved confirmed.

Acquiring Calderon would address the gaping hole at point guard after Raymond Felton agreed to terms with the New York Knicks. Diaw, a power forward, becomes expendable since the Bobcats committed to a five-year, $40 million deal with Tyrus Thomas. Chandler, a center, is an expiring contract worth about $12 million this season.


http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2010/07/bobcats-close-to-trading-diaw-chandler-aquiring-calderon.html

[Zoolander]

so we werent able to get rid of diaw after all of this?
Just heard on the radio that he was traded for Calderon. So Diaw can till be traded for the TPE.

[CatNation]

Supposedly its

Diaw Tyson

for

Calderon/Evans/Jones

cutting jones right away I imagine. How does that leave our cap lookin?

[CatNation]

lol so many guests viewing this topic? raptor fans or what? :paddle: if youre cats fans, register and post please!

[Chef]

Supposedly its

Diaw Tyson

for

Calderon/Evans/Jones

cutting jones right away I imagine. How does that leave our cap lookin?

not a fan of this deal.

[bobcatniners09]

I heard we are going to try to go after Al Jefferson. Any truth?

[CatNation]

I heard we are going to try to go after Al Jefferson. Any truth?

We'd all like to hope so but unfortunately its our front office so...LB will probably fall in love with Reggie Evans, start him, and make him take 15 foot jumpers

[ohara831]

not a fan of this deal.

I am with you! I'd rather have a tooth ache.

[Fred Williamson]

I hate this front office

[G Wuh Wuh Wuh Wallace]

This deal is killing me they need to come out with the truth soon before i have a heart attack. New member btw, :biggrin:

[nfcchamp2004]

im a fan of this deal only if we do something else...like getting a center to help nazr out

[Chef]

This deal is killing me they need to come out with the truth soon before i have a heart attack. New member btw, :biggrin:

welcome!!!!

[ChuckHayes69]

We'd all like to hope so but unfortunately its our front office so...LB will probably fall in love with Reggie Evans, start him, and make him take 15 foot jumpers

Ha....so true, it's getting frustrating

[GoBobs]

Supposedly its

Diaw Tyson

for

Calderon/Evans/Jones

cutting jones right away I imagine. How does that leave our cap lookin?

This trade doesn't seem to work. 21,750,000 going out. 14,080,000 coming back plus D. Jones who I think is less then 1 mil. If it was 1 mil 125% + 100k would be 18,850,100 so Tor would need to add another 3 mil in salary to make the deal work. Their TPE cannot be combined with a player. If it was Chandler for Calderon/Evans and then a second deal, Diaw for TPE that would work. Don't see how Jones really matters unless he is needed to make the trade work.

Side Note: Does anyone remember Jones playing for the Bobcats in 08-09 season. He logged 52 minutes over 6 games.

[jdsingar]

We'd all like to hope so but unfortunately its our front office so...LB will probably fall in love with Reggie Evans, start him, and make him take 15 foot jumpers

Haha! That sounds more like Ham Biscuit. If he was around, Evans would definitely start. I don't think adding Evans is a bad move. He's a great rebounder, but can't do much else.

This deal, in and of itself, is awful though. I think it really depends on what we get with this exception.

[zbo1234]

they are saying that the bobcats would also get Dwayne Jones. He will probably get dropped 2 give more cap room. Hopefully. Because he will do the bobcats as much good as that ear infection is doing for Hansbrough.:g:

[jdsingar]

Side Note: Does anyone remember Jones playing for the Bobcats in 08-09 season. He logged 52 minutes over 6 games.

Yeah I know that, at the minimum, he was signed for a 10 day contract. I don't remember the circumstances around his signing though.

[Demon DeaCat]

Wow. My head is spinning with all this. I'm not even sure I totally understand how this whole TPE thing works, but based on the math, Calderon + Evans is 7.7 mil less than TC/Diaw. I assume that creates a 7.7 TPE for us. If we packaged that along with the 3 mil TPE from Raja that gives us a 10.7 mil TPE. Could that not be packaged with another player in a possible Al Jeff trade? If so, this seems like a good deal. As long as we end up with him, I don't really care how we get there. But it's very possible I'm misunderstanding all of this.

[MGH1989]

lol so many guests viewing this topic? raptor fans or what? :paddle: if youre cats fans, register and post please!

If you ask, thou shall receive. Bobcats fan who reads this board a lot, I will give my two cents on this trade. I didn't like giving up Chandler and his expiring deal, but unlike most opinions Ive read, I like Calderon. He will improve this team offensively and facilitate this offense more so then Felton could. He is a pass first PG and much more reliable threat from outside. Defensively Calderon is garbage yes, but so was the whole Toronto team. From all indication Calderon is a good guy, he won't be a problem and will let LB teach him, thus I expect him to get better defensively here, not to mention we are a much better defensive team then Toronto, so having Gerald and Captain Jack will help his perimeter defense.

[GoBobs]

I hate this front office

+1

We would be nowhere if we didn't get wallace out of the expansion draft. We have done almost as good a job of wasting lottery picks as the Knicks over the last few years.

Everybody talks about the J-Rich trade as a great move because GSW selected Wright, but two picks later Noah went to CHI. The way to build a team in this league is through the draft. Instead we become infatuated with players who were great a few years ago and get tired of them 8 months later. :facepalm:

[ammofan]

I like Calderon!!!!!! Except, what are we gonna do with the center position?

[MGH1989]

+1

We would be nowhere if we didn't get wallace out of the expansion draft. We have done almost as good a job of wasting lottery picks as the Knicks over the last few years.

Everybody talks about the J-Rich trade as a great move because GSW selected Wright, but two picks later Noah went to CHI. The way to build a team in this league is through the draft. Instead we become infatuated with players who were great a few years ago and get tired of them 8 months later. :facepalm:

things change, people thought Noah was a bust before last year.

[ammofan]

Man you gusy need to be happy we wont be getting Ford or idnour or somebody liek that....Calderon is a very efficient point who will excel with swingmen like Jack and Gerald

[G Wuh Wuh Wuh Wallace]

Call me crazy but I think Jose Calderon could be a great cog in this offense. He spreads the ball around very well, and has what ray-ray lacked in the shooting department. Also the fact that he shared minutes with Jarret Jack. I think he will come in and be a upgrade in every department except defense. They seem to really like him in toronto as well similar to how we are mourning losing raymond in the charlotte community.:cool:

[CatNation]

If you ask, thou shall receive. Bobcats fan who reads this board a lot, I will give my two cents on this trade. I didn't like giving up Chandler and his expiring deal, but unlike most opinions Ive read, I like Calderon. He will improve this team offensively and facilitate this offense more so then Felton could. He is a pass first PG and much more reliable threat from outside. Defensively Calderon is garbage yes, but so was the whole Toronto team. From all indication Calderon is a good guy, he won't be a problem and will let LB teach him, thus I expect him to get better defensively here, not to mention we are a much better defensive team then Toronto, so having Gerald and Captain Jack will help his perimeter defense.

Welcome to the board! Yeah I'm hoping we will be able to mask Calderon's defensive shortcomings. I still hope DJ has a chance to start and see what he can do though. One thing that doesn't make sense is having a Calderon/DJ 1/2 at PG. They do the same things. I'm assuming we aren't done dealing now that we have some more cap space, so I'll hold off on "grading the deal" until the full plan is complete

[stun704]

Call me crazy but I think Jose Calderon could be a great cog in this offense. He spreads the ball around very well, and has what ray-ray lacked in the shooting department. Also the fact that he shared minutes with Jarret Jack. I think he will come in and be a upgrade in every department except defense. They seem to really like him in toronto as well similar to how we are mourning losing raymond in the charlotte community.:cool:
You don't fool me raptor fan.. you are happy as hell to dump that worthless prick on us

[jdsingar]

+1

We would be nowhere if we didn't get wallace out of the expansion draft. We have done almost as good a job of wasting lottery picks as the Knicks over the last few years.

Everybody talks about the J-Rich trade as a great move because GSW selected Wright, but two picks later Noah went to CHI. The way to build a team in this league is through the draft. Instead we become infatuated with players who were great a few years ago and get tired of them 8 months later. :facepalm:

As terrible as the FO has been with drafting, I don't think we can ignore their good record with trades.

Hermann for Nazr (and contract)..Slight loss
Carroll for Diop (Both bad contracts, Diop's is worse) Slight loss
Brandan Wright for J-Rich (and his salary) Slight win
Ammo for Radman ..Even
J-Rich for Diaw and Bell..Win
Radman and Bell for S-Jax ..Big win

They've consistently made improvements via trade, albeit minor ones. If they can find a way to get rid of Diop and get something that can play basketball, it could be huge.

[Fred Williamson]

we will probably miss the playoffs because of this trade.

Teams in the east are getting better while our front office somehow manages to make this team fucking worse and worse.

This is some Isiah Thomas type ish.

[JefDav84]

Calderon is also a go to guy for when we need FT's. Something we need in crunch time. Have watched too many games where we miss key FT's.

[tamburello]

This trade doesn't seem to work. 21,750,000 going out. 14,080,000 coming back plus D. Jones who I think is less then 1 mil. If it was 1 mil 125% + 100k would be 18,850,100 so Tor would need to add another 3 mil in salary to make the deal work. Their TPE cannot be combined with a player. If it was Chandler for Calderon/Evans and then a second deal, Diaw for TPE that would work. Don't see how Jones really matters unless he is needed to make the trade work.

Side Note: Does anyone remember Jones playing for the Bobcats in 08-09 season. He logged 52 minutes over 6 games.

Probably this trade will be faciliated in two parts, in first, Diaw for TPE, in second Tyson for Calderon+fillers, that way it works..

[MGH1989]

Welcome to the board! Yeah I'm hoping we will be able to mask Calderon's defensive shortcomings. I still hope DJ has a chance to start and see what he can do though. One thing that doesn't make sense is having a Calderon/DJ 1/2 at PG. They do the same things. I'm assuming we aren't done dealing now that we have some more cap space, so I'll hold off on "grading the deal" until the full plan is complete

I would love to parlay this into Al Jefferson.

[stun704]

No way to justify this, Toronto Raped us in this trade, they traded their Diop for our huge expiring and change... we could have gotten Al Jefferson, now we got someone else s garbage :mad:

[bbh2020]

looks like its a done deal. chandler and diaw for calderon and evans.

can our salary cap gurus tell us what this means?

[G Wuh Wuh Wuh Wallace]

You don't fool me raptor fan.. you are happy as hell to dump that worthless prick on us

Nope very wrong I live in Matthews and am a diehard Bobcats fan.:p

[stun704]

Nope very wrong I live in Matthews and am a diehard Bobcats fan.:p
:facepalm:

[GoBobs]

Trade exceptions explained for those interested

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=14923

important parts:

Trade exceptions can't be added to anything. A team can acquire 125% of the salary they trade away (in a simultaneous trade). So if they have a $10 million player, he can be traded for up to $12.5 million in incoming salary. If they also have an outstanding trade exception for $5 million, they can't add it to the $12.5 million in order to acquire a player making $17.5 million. The trade exception can only be used to acquire a player or players making the amount of the exception or less (plus a $100,000 fudge factor).

Trade exceptions can't be added to other trade exceptions, either. Right now the Lakers have two trade exceptions – one for $2.5 million, and the other for $1.9 million. They can't combine them to acquire a player making $4.4 million. The $2.5 million exception can only be used to acquire a player making $2.5 million or less, and the $1.9 million exception can only be used to acquire a player making $1.9 million or less (again, each also has a $100,000 fudge factor).

People commonly refer to teams trading their trade exceptions. This doesn't happen. A team never acquires a trade exception from another team. However, in the same trade a team might use their existing trade exception, while the other team generates a new trade exception of their own, which they then have a year to use.

[GoBobs]

I think Jose will make us better, but don't like the salary at all. We should have been able to move Diop if we are taking on what is universally considered a bad contract. We are getting screwed in this even though we may be a little better next year.

[ammofan]

Man....u guys need to just embrace the players we get! I will embrace any player we bring and and hope he turns out to be GREAT(See my new avatar lmao :D)

[CatNation]

Nope very wrong I live in Matthews and am a diehard Bobcats fan.:p

Where at in Matthews?

[G Wuh Wuh Wuh Wallace]

Where at in Matthews?
Neighborhood called Brightmoor

[MGH1989]

http://behindblondiepark.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/caricrature_img134.jpg
Where at in Matthews?

[K1NGofAKR0N]

great another bad deal added to our roster I dont think i like this move. we better be able to get rid of diop sometimes soon. and stephen jacksons contract

[CatNation]

Neighborhood called Brightmoor

yeah I think I know where that is. used to live right down the road in stallings

[stun704]

Neighborhood called Brightmoor
google ftw :o

[eleaf14]

Not happy here at all. Unless this yields us an improvement at Center.

I feel a little robbed...and this makes Bryan Colangelo look real good, after alot of the boneheaded moves he's made over the last 2 years. It also seems like Tor hasnt fallen off that far after losing their stud. So I would keep them in playoff discussion. And unless we are using this to make another move we have to be considered worse. We directly helped a team behind us get better, while we take a step back. Now realizing this...one can only hope more is coming our way and that our FO wouldnt do that to us.

Calderon is a nice PG. About on keel w/ Felts despite the lack of D. He's more fluid and can dish it out. I am not sure he's worth his contract though, infact he probably deserves more along the lines of Felton's money. His A/PG ratio is a come up, as is his 3pt shooting and FT shooting (will be huge), but at that cost its an inflated deal. He's also 29. So unless our system fits him better...it is safe to say what you see is what you get.

I was proud of the FO for the deal we laid out to Tyrus. It seemed like a better deal than what some of the other teams have been spending (Gooden, and especially Colangelo's golden move with Amir Johnson :facepalm:).

I see a us taking a step back looking at this...I grade this a -1, simply because it feels rushed. We lose 2 potential starters for 1 with another expiring (only valuable if we trade it...I will be pissed if Evans is on this squad in Oct.). While we save ourselves a little bit now...we are committing more to the future, which seems to be the same ol song and dance. All of this and you add in what this means for DJ's potential...I am just disappointed.

However I will retract most of this if we can get a starting Center that is an improvement over what we had last year.

[jdsingar]

I think I am one of the few people that actually likes this trade. Diaw for Calderon is an even swap in terms of talent, but I think Calderon fits our needs well so this will help us out. Chandler for Evans gives us a backup PF with an expiring contract and frees up around $8 mil.

The only problem is..what do we do with the extra money? Sure, a trade for someone like Al Jefferson would be nice. But do we have any tradeable assets at this point?

[Fred Williamson]

I'm sure we somehow included our next years picks in this trade.

[bing!]

@stun - take it easy, dude

I know what'll endear Jose to some of you guys...

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/si/2008/writers/ian_thomsen/12/12/weekly.countdown/kevin-garnett-jose-calderon.jpg

:biggrin:

[jdsingar]

eleaf, you make some good points.

However, Diaw's time in Charlotte was over. Chandler could have been a good piece, but he is frequently injured and we needed to get something for him. This move sets us up well. The only position that needs to be addressed is Center.

[Fred Williamson]

...we needed to get something for him.

and that's the point, we didn't get anything for him.

[Mustachio]

Remember that graphic from the Shard Lewis - Gerald Wallace contract days. yeah well the jokes on us now.

Jose Raymond
PPG - 9.8 13.3
FG % - .496 .410
3 % - .387 .327
Reb - 2.4 3.4
Steal - .87 1.4
TO - 1.6 2.6
Ass - 6.6 6.4

Salary 10mil 7mil


Go Bobcats! Cause anytime you can let go of a hometown favorite and replace him with a guy who makes 3 million more and does less... you gotta do it. and while your at it, throw your entire front court at the other team to make the deal go through.

[ammofan]

ESPNEWS says that it is a 4 way deal with TOR, PHX, CHA, and ATL

[Mustachio]

I'm sure we somehow included our next years picks in this trade.


haha you know we did.

Calderon for Tyson, Diaw and 2012-2018 first round draft picks

[CatNation]

Remember that graphic from the Shard Lewis - Gerald Wallace contract days. yeah well the jokes on us now.

Jose Raymond
PPG - 9.8 13.3
FG % - .496 .410
3 % - .387 .327
Reb - 2.4 3.4
Steal - .87 1.4
TO - 1.6 2.6
Ass - 6.6 6.4

Salary 10mil 7mil


Go Bobcats! Cause anytime you can let go of a hometown favorite and replace him with a guy who makes 3 million more and does less... you gotta do it. and while your at it, throw your entire front court at the other team to make the deal go through.

1. we didnt let go of felton
2. your numbers aren't adjusted for minutes so they dont really mean anything

[bing!]

Cause anytime you can let go of a hometown favorite and replace him with a guy who makes 3 million more and does less... you gotta do it.

Jose:

http://i26.tinypic.com/k1wbiu.jpg

Raymond:

http://i32.tinypic.com/9abvpd.jpg

[CatNation]

how do you go from 98% FT one year to 79% the next year?? must have had his confidence drop once they brought Jarrett Jack over there

[Mustachio]

1. we didnt let go of felton
2. your numbers aren't adjusted for minutes so they dont really mean anything



we made zero effort to resign Felton outside of the offer a year ago.

and Bing corrected the stats with a Per 36 minutes (thanks bing) and it looks even worse in my opinion. very nearly identical stats, except for Jose averages 2 more assist and is 3 years older. That is totally worth the 3 million a year difference in salary.

[Zoolander]

Unless I'm mistaken, I've always thought the "rule" was to never trade a BIG for a small or something like that. Maybe the front office didn't get that memo. After all, we did draft Augustine over Lopez, which I'm still scratching my head over. Now we have to get another PG to maybe start over our 1st rd pick PG. While Lopez is one of the leagues best young centers. I know there's no need to cry over spilled milk, but.... my goodness man, Let's get something right dammit!

[CatNation]

we made zero effort to resign Felton outside of the offer a year ago.

and Bing corrected the stats with a Per 36 minutes (thanks bing) and it looks even worse in my opinion. very nearly identical stats, except for Jose averages 2 more assist and is 3 years older. That is totally worth the 3 million a year difference in salary.

We gave Felton our best offer and he turned it down. So we turned our attention to Tyrus. And whaddya know Felton screwed himself by not taking it.

Calderon can run an offense much better than felton. He'll average 3 more assists with less turnovers.

Obviously its not the home run trade that everyone wanted (cp3/jefferson for our garbage etc) but hey, at least we got rid of diaw

[jdsingar]

we made zero effort to resign Felton outside of the offer a year ago.

and Bing corrected the stats with a Per 36 minutes (thanks bing) and it looks even worse in my opinion. very nearly identical stats, except for Jose averages 2 more assist and is 3 years older. That is totally worth the 3 million a year difference in salary.

I'm not sure how it looks worse. Calderon looks like a much more efficient player, and a pure PG. Felton brings toughness and a better ability to drive to the whole. He got more steals and rebounds as well. They seem about even, which definitely makes Calderon overpaid.

However, I think Calderon may be a better fit for the team. I think he will be a much better creator for our wings. His poor defense may be offset by having a three-headed defensive monster behind him.

When it comes to resigning Felton...the point is that we couldn't have without trading away some salary. This trade got rid of salary and brought back a PG.

[bbh2020]

Here's the salary breakdowns for the upcoming year per http://hoopshype.com/salaries/toronto.htm


Diaw = $9,000,000
Chandler = 12,750,00
Total = 21, 750,000 going out

Calderon = $9,000,000
Evans = $5,080,000
Total = $14,080,000 coming in

This saved the Cats $7,670,000.

There are 2 reasons this was done:

1. The money savings the Cats get above
2. Calderon is a smart, saavy veteran that can shoot from the outside and does not turn the ball over. Those were 2 things Felton could not do and what drove Larry Brown the most nutty. How many interviews last year did he mention "unforced turnovers"?

Now, we are all drooling over the chance to get Al Jefferson, and the expirings of Nazr and Evans would do that, but I'm not sure the Cats make another move. They may be trying to turn a profit for once next year instead of losing tons of $$$$.

They have only sold about 7800 season tickets so far, although their coorporate sponsors have jumped dramatically, up to about 90 since MJ took over.

I've got my fingers crossed that they make a move for Big Al, but I do not have my hopes up.

[azfollower]

Obviously its not the home run trade that everyone wanted (cp3/jefferson for our garbage etc)


Does anyone know if there's still a chance we can get Jefferson for the pieces we still have?

I thought that was why we threw TC into this deal?

[Chef]

the only thing i can think of is that we couldn't have gotten rid of diaw if we didn't do the tc/jose trade. the news on this trade was all over the place. if this didn't happen, then i repeat we managed to miss a base on our home run trot and it turned into an out.

[CatNation]

Does anyone know if there's still a chance we can get Jefferson for the pieces we still have?

I thought that was why we threw TC into this deal?

I don't really know what tradeable pieces we really have left. Nazr?

[rsxnova]

ESPNEWS says that it is a 4 way deal with TOR, PHX, CHA, and ATL

So maybe we take firsts from everyone or something.

[murphman]

Hearing that Dallas is heating up talks to trade for Al Jefferson. Looks like Damps nice contract is the bait. I doubt we can compete with that.

[Chef]

Hearing that Dallas is heating up talks to trade for Al Jefferson. Looks like Damps nice contract is the bait. I doubt we can compete with that.

we could have if we didn't take jose for tc.

just a question. how sure are we about this. haven't seen anything but diaw for tpe on espn, real gm, twitter (chad ford, stein, etc).

[Black]

dear god, what have we done...

[ammofan]

Man wtf is going on?

[rsxnova]

dear god, what have we done...

I dont think there is anyway for us to know...

[Muttley]

we could have if we didn't take jose for tc.

just a question. how sure are we about this. haven't seen anything but diaw for tpe on espn, real gm, twitter (chad ford, stein, etc).
If it's Diaw for the tpe (which is not something that's actually traded. It'd be TOR using their TPE to get Diaw and then we'd get a TPE equivalent to Diaw's salary), then the tpe is only 9 million, which is not enough to turn around and use to acquire Al Jefe.

If it's Diaw for Calderon, AND separately TC for the tpe, then we'll have a $12,600,000 trade exception which will work to acquire Al Jefe.

I believe that adding Evans to the mix basically takes away any chance to work something out with Minnie.

[murphman]

What concerns me now is how our 2nd will look on the floor

Jose/Henderson/UPS/Reggie Evans/Diop (or Lexy).

That has "no offense" written all over it.

I'm thinking Brad Miller would give us a better threat. However I hear he wants to sign with a contender and get at least a two year deal.

[ammofan]

Well forget the 4 way i think....

Im watching NBA TV and they said it was a 3 way between TOR-PHX-ATL

And that was just for TOR to acquire Barbosa and Jones

[bing!]

There is so much unwarranted panic going around that it's plainly ridiculous. Down a couple of chill pills with beer or something and ride this waiting game of a storm out. You're freaking out at the pieces of a, probably, larger picture.

... hmm, probably, now I'm starting to worry myself...

[Muttley]

That said, from the sources I've looked at, I don't think ANYONE knows what's going on for sure.

(Unfortunately, ANYONE could include Rod and MJ.)

[kickazzz2000]

I believe that adding Evans to the mix basically takes away any chance to work something out with Minnie.

If thats the case, I wonder who insisted? TOR, or LB?

[Chef]

why do i hate following this team so much, but love them so much? bobcats, i wish i knew how to quit you.

[Ampsportsduo]

Tried to read every post. First, don't be angry about this trade. We improved at PG. Now instead of just having a guy like Flip off the bench to drain 3's we have a starter that can do it. Is his defense as good as Ray's? No, but offensively the team will be better off. Calderon can shoot from anywhere on the floor and as a pass first PG that's a great plus.

Second, We addressed the biggest need of PG. Be thankful this isn't a trade for TJ Ford. Is Calderon's contract a little bit bigger than it should be? Maybe. Maybe not if the change of scenery helps boost him back to the level of a couple years ago. This in no way way compares to Crash/Lewis.

Third, We got rid of Diaw and his contract. I've long since been a Diaw supporter, but with the shift to T-Time and his new contract it's the right move.

Fourth. Evans as someone mentioned is an LB-type guy. He rebounds at a tremendous rate and while he'll never been in the game at crunch time he's an expiring so he fills a hole in the frontline created by the departures.

Fifth, Why would anyone assume this is the last move? The team still needs to get someone to eat some of Crash and Jack's minutes. They still need to add at least one body to play the 5. Hopefully, they add another bench scorer.

[kickazzz2000]

FYI - Jose Calderon has a 10% trade kicker - which if he does get moved to the Bobcats - will kick in!
about 1 hour ago via TweetDeck


http://twitter.com/ericpincus

[ammofan]

FYI - Jose Calderon has a 10% trade kicker - which if he does get moved to the Bobcats - will kick in!
about 1 hour ago via TweetDeck


http://twitter.com/ericpincus

what does that mean?

[murphman]

Udonis Haslem just tweeted that he turned down offers from Dallas and Denver to go back to Miami.

Al Jefferson to Dallas seems to make a lot of sense now.

[Zoolander]

As of right now, I don't think there is anything concrete. A lot of heresay but no major outlets are reporting anything definite. Espn just states that a 4 team trade is in the works involving Diaw for Jones. That's about it. So I wouldn't get too worked up until we have the final tally.

[teej]

what does that mean?

If he's traded, he increases his salary by 10%, or close to 1 million.

I'm not saying anything good or bad until I know what did or didn't go down, but ILBIT.

[Muttley]

It's gonna be really funny if this whole thing ends up not happening.

What will we panic about then?

[CatNation]

Yeah I have yet to find any real concrete sources for all this yet. We'll see what happens

[Ampsportsduo]

I'm not saying anything good or bad until I know what did or didn't go down, but ILBIT.

I was going to wait, but people went all Chicken Little. Just trying to help people relax.

[bing!]

This thread is making my F5 button scream profanity.

[Muttley]

Yeah I have yet to find any real concrete sources for all this yet. We'll see what happens

Someone from BCP with a twitter account should tweet that "TOR agrees to include their 2011 1st round draft pick in the deal." and see if it will actually manifest itself...

or at least see if it shows up on the ESPN bottom line.

[Ampsportsduo]

Someone from BCP with a twitter account should tweet that "TOR agrees to include their 2011 1st round draft pick in the deal." and see if it will actually manifest itself...

or at least see if it shows up on the ESPN bottom line.

Too busy trying to decide what my new sig will be

[BobCatsFanInTx]

Well forget the 4 way i think....

Im watching NBA TV and they said it was a 3 way between TOR-PHX-ATL

And that was just for TOR to acquire Barbosa and JonesShit!!!! This sucks. I liked the idea of freeing some cap space while getting a quality pg and making another trade later to get another C.

[bing!]

Teej, merge these two babies.

http://www.bobcatsplanet.com/vb/showthread.php?t=11171

http://www.bobcatsplanet.com/vb/showthread.php?t=11174

:)

[Ampsportsduo]

Where the heck is Spectre? Rod Higgins call him in for a consultation?

[teej]

Muttley: Done

http://twitter.com/the_real_teej

[CatNation]

Muttley: Done

http://twitter.com/the_real_teej

lol expect hoopsworld to report it as a done deal within 20 minutes

[murphman]

The trade kicker (if true) plus the 3 year commitment to Jose really puts the exclamation mark on the end of this sentence spoken by MJ and LB:

"DJ, we do not have faith in you.".

[bing!]

The trade kicker (if true) plus the 3 year commitment to Jose really puts the exclamation mark on the end of this sentence spoken by MJ and LB:

"DJ, we do not have faith in you.".

Neither does anyone, methinks.

[teej]

An actual twitter source. Mark Stein of ESPN


Deal as reported by multiple outlets has Raps getting Barbosa/T. Chandler/Diaw, Bobs getting Calderon (and now Evans) and Suns getting Hedo 19 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/STEIN_LINE_HQ/status/18379035313) via TweetDeck (http://www.tweetdeck.com/)

<LI id=status_18378817218 class="hentry u-STEIN_LINE_HQ status hover" jQuery1278966505767="6">I've been advised to expect Reggie Evans to be included in widely reported three-way deal (TOR, CHA and PHX) and land with Bobcats 23 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/STEIN_LINE_HQ/status/18378817218) via TweetDeck (http://www.tweetdeck.com/)

[dnbman]

The trade kicker (if true) plus the 3 year commitment to Jose really puts the exclamation mark on the end of this sentence spoken by MJ and LB:

"DJ, we do not have faith in you.".

I don't think it necessarily says that. Every team needs two quality point guards, even if one is the dominant 1. I think they see DJ as a both a point guard and three point specialist 2 that can be used when needed.

What was the trade kicker?

[CatNation]

An actual twitter source. Mark Stein of ESPN

the "multiple outlets" part pretty much means hes just talking out of his ass and his sources are all the same rumors we have

[Muttley]

Where the heck is Spectre? Rod Higgins call him in for a consultation?
If only, Amp. If only.

Nice work Teej. (+1)
Now to sit back and let the twitter machine go to work...

[rsxnova]

Maybe our FO does something good and lands Bargs in all this mess.

[G-Force FTW]

Did I do something wrong here?

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2cl5guc

[bing!]

Did I do something wrong here?

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2cl5guc

You failed to account for the TPE? :confused:

[teej]

Did I do something wrong here?

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2cl5guc

It's not taking into account the TPE's.

[dnbman]

Did I do something wrong here?

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2cl5guc

I think this doesn't take into account the trade exemption Phoenix got from the Amare sign-and-trade.

[RixFan16]

ESPN now reporting this:

Suns get:
Hedo Turkoglu
Josh Childress

Raptors get:
Leandro Barbosa
Boris Diaw

Bobcats get:
Dwayne Jones
Bosh TPE

Hawks get:
Suns 2012 2nd round pick

[bing!]

ESPN now reporting this:

Suns get:
Hedo Turkoglu
Josh Childress

Raptors get:
Leandro Barbosa
Boris Diaw

Bobcats get:
Dwayne Jones
Bosh TPE

Hawks get:
Suns 2012 2nd round pick

Wait, lemme guess, Multiple Sources (http://blogs.thescore.com/tbj/2010/07/08/tbj-exclusive-multiple-sources-uncovered/)?

:D

[SWedd523]

The funny thing is, when I saw these reports this morning I thought to myself, "They'll find some way to either fuck it up or get Reggie Evans."



Amazingly, they've done both. Atta boy! Instead of it being Boris for Calderon and Tyson for TPE (which happens to work perfectly with Jefferson's contract), we add Evans in and basically knock ourselves out of the running for his services.




We shall henceforth be known as, Jose and the Lolcats.
http://imgs.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2001/04/11/dd_josie.jpg

[ohara831]

ESPN now reporting this:

Suns get:
Hedo Turkoglu
Josh Childress

Raptors get:
Leandro Barbosa
Boris Diaw

Bobcats get:
Dwayne Jones
Bosh TPE

Hawks get:
Suns 2012 2nd round pick

So TC stays, and we do not get Calderon?

[Ghost Kat]

This is all I remember when I think Of Reggie Evans....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cv1cBN8M-9I

LB kinda guy???

[K1NGofAKR0N]

ESPN now reporting this:

Suns get:
Hedo Turkoglu
Josh Childress

Raptors get:
Leandro Barbosa
Boris Diaw

Bobcats get:
Dwayne Jones
Bosh TPE

Hawks get:
Suns 2012 2nd round pick
like this ALOT. is it rlly true u saw it on espn? when?

[RixFan16]

like this ALOT. is it rlly true u saw it on espn? when?

Saw it on ESPNews about 10-15 min ago

[Proudiddy]

But, from what someone posted earlier regarding trade exceptions, we cannot acquire an exception from another team, so basically we would just be giving Diaw away to clear his 9M off the books.

[Proudiddy]

Also Chandler supposedly already confirmed to yahoo sports that he's been traded to the Raps, so ESPNs reports are incomplete and inaccurate.

[amour217]

What is our F.O. smoking? I'm so scared to see what comes out of this trade...

[teej]

But, from what someone posted earlier regarding trade exceptions, we cannot acquire an exception from another team, so basically we would just be giving Diaw away to clear his 9M off the books.

Which would create a new TPE for us. Worth anywhere from 5-10 mil, depending on how they do it.

[teej]

We shall henceforth be known as, Jose and the Lolcats.


Unless I'm having a major brain fuck...

You're the one who drafted Calderon for your fantasy team, because he was pure offense...:rolleyes:

[dvdbumpus]

But, from what someone posted earlier regarding trade exceptions, we cannot acquire an exception from another team, so basically we would just be giving Diaw away to clear his 9M off the books.

I'll take it! :) Now let's use the TC contract to get someone of use. If we actually do the original trade of Calderon/Evans here are some pointers.

09-10 NBA PER:

Calderon (down year keep in mind): 16.58 (6th among east PG), 08-09 it was 18.8, right below Rajon Rondo and above Andre Miller.

Felton (best year): 15.25 (13th among east PG)
Reggie Evans: 11.47
Tyson Chandler: 12.58
Diaw: 12.8

So...we basically saved 7 mil and upgraded at PG a little bit, and downgraded big men. So, not too much other than less offense than before. :(

Let's pray for the salary dump deal...sigh.

[GoBobs]

One major thing Jose can do for us that Felton didn't is run the pick and roll. You can go under the pick on Felton but not on Jose because he is too good a shooter. When he misses however the other team will be on a break and that is going to drive LB crazy.

[Proudiddy]

Which would create a new TPE for us. Worth anywhere from 5-10 mil, depending on how they do it.

Shouldn't our exception end up being the difference between the contracts we sent them and the ones we got back.

From what I'm understanding is about $7M difference between what we sent out and what we are getting back.

[GoBobs]

Reggie Evans = Scrub

I would much rather have Marcus Banks

[teej]

Shouldn't our exception end up being the difference between the contracts we sent them and the ones we got back.

From what I'm understanding is about $7M difference between what we sent out and what we are getting back.

Yes, it just depends on how they do it.

If it's Tyson for the TPE with Diaw for Calderon, then the TPE is about 13 million.

If it's Tyson for Calderon and Evans, then Diaw for the TPE, it's 9 mil.

But, they could do it differently also.

[CatNation]

The most members online over 24 hours was 117, Today at 05:17 PM

gj guys :biggrin:

[TheLegend]

Bosh TPE? Can someone please explain what that means.

[dvdbumpus]

The most members online over 24 hours was 117, Today at 05:17 PM

gj guys :biggrin:

Awesome! I'm glad I was a part of the freakout. Last one I remember as the largest moment was the game where Shaun Livingston got his knee mangled and everyone freaked out about how terrible it looked. LOL.

[Proudiddy]

Also, if we don't get someone else in this like Bellinelli or another piece that could help us add Jefferson this trade can find it's rightful place in the shitter.

I can see how Jose will help us. He's bringing to the table what we lacked last year that got us kicked out of the playoffs - outisde shooting and taking care of the ball. On the other hand, he's not going to be driving in as much which LB preaches.

But, what he brings to the table will be a wash if we don't get a serviceable big man. Nazr is not a starter no matter what he does in the off-season, it's just not his role, and he's even said as much. Additionally, only guy I can see that could effectively run a pick with Jose is Jinx, and I don't trust him to be conistent enough to play big minutes like that yet. Nazr's not very fleet footed, so the pick game doesn't suit him either. We just traded away our best pick and roll guys.

There's got to be something else coming...

[K1NGofAKR0N]

what scares me is how Tyson supposedly already confirmed to yahoo sports he was traded to the raptors

[teej]

Bosh TPE? Can someone please explain what that means.

When Bosh was signed and traded to MIA for two firsts, that created a Traded Player Exception (TPE) of around 15 million dollars. This means the Raptors can acquire a player under 15 million dollars without giving any salary back, despite it putting them over the cap. If they use the TPE on Chandler, it would create a new TPE for the Bobcats worth Chandler's salary, which we could use to acquire a player under 13 million.

Make sense?

[CatNation]

what scares me is how Tyson supposedly already confirmed to yahoo sports he was traded to the raptors

he would have already tweeted somethin about it like he did when he came here. I think yahoo is prolly bsin to get hits on their site thinkin this was a done deal

[dvdbumpus]

http://www.tsn.ca/nba/story/?id=327363

Looks like we're getting nothing for a trade exception.....awesome.

[Proudiddy]

http://www.tsn.ca/nba/story/?id=327363

Looks like we're getting nothing for a trade exception.....awesome.

Dumbest shit we've ever done. EVER. Yes, including drafting Ammo.

[UNCCatFan]

Bosh TPE? Can someone please explain what that means.

That means that it is the TPE acquired from miami through the chris bosh sign and trade

[UNCCatFan]

that article makes it look like we are trading diaw and tyson for calderon and evans. doesnt that leave us with 7 million in cap room?

[CatNation]

http://www.tsn.ca/nba/story/?id=327363

Looks like we're getting nothing for a trade exception.....awesome.

"according to various reports"

STILL not a legit source that this is anywhere near being complete

[dvdbumpus]

Dumbest shit we've ever done. EVER. Yes, including drafting Ammo.

Oh wait, the draft where we passed on brandon roy, rudy gay, and Tyrus thomas?

[UNCCatFan]

Oh wait, the draft where we passed on brandon roy, rudy gay, and Tyrus thomas?

and then ended up going after tyrus thomas eventually anyways

[dvdbumpus]

and then ended up going after tyrus thomas eventually anyways

Thank you FO!

But wait....AMMO has won two championships...because he was a huge contributor LOL.

[Proudiddy]

Oh wait, the draft where we passed on brandon roy, rudy gay, and Tyrus thomas?

The power of hyperbole lol

[UNCCatFan]

Thank you FO!

But wait....AMMO has won two championships...because he was a huge contributor LOL.

very true, i don't understand the hype over lebron...miami should have looked at adding "the mustache" to the big 3

[dvdbumpus]

very true, i don't understand the hype over lebron...miami should have looked at adding "the mustache" to the big 3

How about the mustache one with the secondary 3?

[dvdbumpus]

Here's what Bleacher Report had to say about Boris:

"Boris Diaw is a great defensive-minded player. He can play defense, grab rebounds, and works hard. He's the anti-Turkoglu. His offense isn't bad; it comes in bunches. He will likely be the starting small forward."

Grabs rebounds? Works hard? A little questionable there.

Diaw rebounded less from the PF position than Corey Maggette did at the SF position. Oh, and how often has Diaw missed the buffet line? Not to often....

[ND22]

Guess I'm one of the few that likes this. We dump salary, and upgrade at PG. And who knows, this may not be our last move.

[WAM9]

I like it as well as long as it is the version where we don't give up Chandler for nothing.

[UNCCatFan]

Guess I'm one of the few that likes this. We dump salary, and upgrade at PG. And who knows, this may not be our last move.

I like the move, i just hope we are getting a good amount of tpe. i would hope we could somehow swing a better center into the roster

[bing!]

OT

I was just going through Bulls' RGM board and their comments over Chicago's work-outs with Ammo (the last several comments on this thread prompted me to check out what the hell is going on with him) and I ran into this image...

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff247/EdreesesPieces/adammorrison.jpg

I almost cried myself into a make-shift asphyxia.

[Black]

im fine with the move as long as we add a starting center somehow. the thought of going into the season with nazr and diop has me uneasy