OFFICIAL: Chandler and Lexy for Najera, Carroll and Dampier

[Proudiddy]

Charlotte has traded Tyson Chandler and Alex Ajinca to Dallas for Dampier, Matt Carroll and Najera, a league source tells Y! Sports.

PER WOJ

http://twitter.com/wojyahoonba

Wasn't Damp's contract voidable? Something else has got to be coming....

[murphman]

Charlotte has traded Tyson Chandler and Alex Ajinca to Dallas for Dampier, Matt Carroll and Najera, a league source tells Y! Sports.

PER WOJ

http://twitter.com/wojyahoonba

Wasn't Damp's contract voidable? Something else has got to be coming....

Yes, Damps 13 million $ contract is almost completely unguaranteed. Major trade bait right there.

[tamburello]

This has to be a nightmare. We trade expirings for other expirings and Carroll's contract. Hopefully this deal would also be killed by Jordan..

[Proudiddy]

I'm not in love with the fact that we took back Matt's contract... Najera only makes 2.5 or so the next 2 years, so that's not too bad. But, perhaps we took Matt back for his 3 pt shooting we need, b/c I don't see us being able to move him.

Najera may stick b/c he seems like a LB guy.

No way we keep Damp, he's a piece to a bigger puzzle... Just wonder what that is...

[Cats4lif3]

We now hold the cards for any big trade for a big man!!!!

[Proudiddy]

This has to be a nightmare. We trade expirings for other expirings and Carroll's contract. Hopefully this deal would also be killed by Jordan..

If we keep all 3 guys, then yes, it is a nightmare. But, if what Cats4lif3 said is correct, we're working to get a big name guy and I'm guessing Damp's voidable contract is a big part of that.

Worst case scenario, I could see us voiding his contract and using the space to sign someone, although I'm not impressed with what's left.

[Proudiddy]

Yeah, MJ must've needed Damp's contract, he's pulling the trigger on this one:


Dallas and Charlotte are getting on trade call with league office to finalize deal, source says. 6 minutes ago via web

[tamburello]

We already had a great card in Chandler for any kind of trade, why did we want to get a slightly better card and pay Carroll's horrible contract's last 3 years? This is bad, very bad..

[murphman]

We gave up 14 million to take on 20.4 million. I guess we had to use the 3.1 TPE from Raja to make it work.

[murphman]

So, one has to wonder, did LB or MJ really get cold feet last night or did Dallas swoop in on the 11th hour with a better offer once they lost Al Jefferson to Utah?

[tamburello]

Besides, I don't get how this trade can be completed. Dampier+Carroll+Najera=20 million, Chandler+Ajinça=14 million. We don't have any signficant TPE's.

[blazenheat09]

I for one actually do not mind it. TC was never healthy and Frenchie was never going to see the floor (let's be honest).

Carroll may have a bad contract but is shooting that we badly need.

Najera, like said before is cheap, and could be an LB guy.

Plus this Damp contract hints of things to come, no doubt.

Pulling out of the Toronto trade for this and whatever else is to follow may be a very smart move. Patience!

[murphman]

Oh man, does this mean Henderson is doomed to another year on the bench?

[Absinthe]

Dallas has a ton of expiring contracts at the trade dead line. I'm assuming Charlotte is going to use Dampier as trade bait. On the other hand, taking back Carrol's ridiculous contract is laughable. A major price to pay for a glorified towel boy.

[ohara831]

Najera and Carroll will be useful off the bench. And Dampier's contract is not guaranteed, so that is a huge bonus! This is good IMO.

[Proudiddy]

Tam and Murph, I'm just hoping and praying that we already had a deal in place to follow this one. If not, I'm with you - It's Diop all over again.

Looking at it as optimistically as I can, I see it as we knew what Carroll was capable of and could use him, while the Mavs had no use for him at all.

From what I've read, Damp's contract was very desireable. The Wolves were about to deal Jefferson to the Mavs but got hung up on what else the Mavs wanted the Wolves to take on:


But the Dallas-Minnesota talks hit another roadblock, sources said, when the Mavericks insisted that the Wolves take on the contracts of DeShawn Stevenson and Matt Carroll in addition to the pieces Minnesota really wanted: Erick Dampier's non-guaranteed $13 million contract and two conditional future first-round picks.

Problem now is that Jefferson's deal is done. I hope MJ didn't pull the trigger on this hoping to beat the Jazz to finalizing their deal and got us stuck.

[tamburello]

Besides, I don't get how this trade can be completed. Dampier+Carroll+Najera=20 million, Chandler+Ajinça=14 million. We don't have any signficant TPE's.

Pardon me, this trade can be completed in two separate parts. First, Najera for Raja's TPE, then Carroll+Dampier for Chandler+Ajinça. Still I feel we are being robbed.

[Proudiddy]

Also, the Mavs are getting a good deal out of it b/c Chandler has to play off of a PG like Kidd to be at his best. I'm sure he'll have a good year for them if healthy.

I'm just still trying to figure out where we're going from here. Just WOW.

[Chef]

Pardon me, this trade can be completed in two separate parts. First, Najera for Raja's TPE, then Carroll+Dampier for Chandler+Ajinça. Still I feel we are being robbed.

as long as we don't resign damp!!!!!!

great move. damp's contract is so nice for a trade now. let the suitors come to us. if not, he really does fit our team then he is expiring.

just whatever we do...don't resign him!!!!!!!

[Proudiddy]

Ohhhh wtf are we doing?!?!?


the bobcats are "very likely" to waive dampier and his non-guaranteed $13 million salary for next season, a source tells y!

[TrytoCompete]

the missing piece for the TJ ford trade???????
:(:(:(:(:(:(

[ohara831]

We are going to sever ties with Dampier and that is a savings of $13 mil ! This is a very good move.

[Plowright]

You actually think carrol is staying around???

You must be dreaming, he is the opposite of an LB player, hel get trade, u will see

[tamburello]

The Bobcats are "very likely" to waive Dampier and his non-guaranteed $13 million salary for next season, a source tells Y!

Wojnarowski says. So don't get excited for something big, fellas. These were all about cap space.

[Chef]

Ohhhh wtf are we doing?!?!?

this is great fun! but i do need to get some things done...i have posted and read more in the last 30 hours than i have in the last 3 months.

[heelsfan525]

according to mavsnews on twitter we sent TC and 2 other players...

and

according to hotstoveNBA on twitter bobcats are going to waiver Dampier

[Proudiddy]

Ok, now this shit doesn't make any sense... We could've actually used Chandler, as I said before, he was our most gifted/talented, defensive-minded center. He was the best option for us at center this year. So we just traded his contract for 2 semi-bad contracts on seldom used players, and plan on cutting the center they sent back in return.

So now what... SMH...

[TrytoCompete]

Could we be trying to get the room to make the trade for CP3 and inherit all the bad contracts that NOLA wants to get rid of?:g:

I can only hope

[Fred Williamson]

and here.....................is your starting center............................................ ............................................


Desagana.....DIOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!

http://ballersfb.nike.com/basketball_content/nba/players/profile/desagana_diop.jpg

[UNCCatFan]

We could do something like nazr, dampier and diaw for paul and okafor

[Proudiddy]

and here.....................is your starting center............................................ ............................................


Desagana.....DIOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!

http://ballersfb.nike.com/basketball_content/nba/players/profile/desagana_diop.jpg


I get it now... We did it as a motivational tactic!

[ohara831]

and here.....................is your starting center............................................ ............................................


Desagana.....DIOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!

http://ballersfb.nike.com/basketball_content/nba/players/profile/desagana_diop.jpg

I just threw up in my mouth! Stop it!

[ebrown]

Could we be trying to get the room to make the trade for CP3 and inherit all the bad contracts that NOLA wants to get rid of?:g:

I can only hope


If we pulled that off, I dont know what I would do but I'm just saying....

[Fred Williamson]

Diop has to be involved. we trade 14million and get 20milli in return. that does not work.

[ohara831]

I think the TPE we have from the Raja Bell deal figures into it maybe.

[Proudiddy]

Diop has to be involved. we trade 14million and get 20milli in return. that does not work.

We can only hope... If we didn't send them a shitty contract back, I'm pissed.

[teej]

Diop has to be involved. we trade 14million and get 20milli in return. that does not work.

Najera for the Raja TPE

Lexy and TC for MC Hammer and Damp.

[blazenheat09]

Carroll's contract isn't absolutely terrible considering some of the recent ones given out (Amir Johnson and Darko), plus he averaged over 10 a game a few seasons ago for us so, its definitely not good but not the end of the world either.

I just though we could use Dampier as a trade chip.

Good news is that Boris is still on the team for all the haters :p

[Fred Williamson]

if it is Chandler/Lexi/Diop for Damp/Carrol/Najera, I'm cool with it

[Cats4lif3]

I really believe that cp3, big al (yes I kn ow it's been said it's official) or Kris kaman or someone good that no one would expect....... Rosterbate for a second mello

[tamburello]

Trade can be done with the given players, check out what I previously wrote, guys.


Pardon me, this trade can be completed in two separate parts. First, Najera for Raja's TPE, then Carroll+Dampier for Chandler+Ajinça. Still I feel we are being robbed.

[jdsingar]

That would make much sense..trading Diop for Carroll...the same trade as a few years ago. It would be nice to throw him in there with the parameters of this trade. I am not sure what is going on, or how this makes sense at the moment. Waiving Dampier is basically just like cutting Chandler with no ramifications.

[ohara831]

And poor Bonnell has nothing on this yet. Must be at lunch - again.

[TrytoCompete]

I think we are about to make a big move. Like said in previous post. I think it will be a big name, to give us a slightly more southern Big Three.

[Proudiddy]

And poor Bonnell has nothing on this yet. Must be at lunch - again.

I was just thinking the same thing... But, he's been on lunch for the last 2 weeks or so.

[eleaf14]

And poor Bonnell has nothing on this yet. Must be at lunch - again.

If I were a sportswriter without twitter, I would do the same thing. Wait on a call from Rod. Then ask what crazy pills have been consumed in the war room the past 30 hours.

[Proudiddy]

I think we are about to make a big move. Like said in previous post. I think it will be a big name, to give us a slightly more southern Big Three.

A BIG name indeed! Eddy Curry here we come!

[TrytoCompete]

I think Bonnell is out relaxing on the NEW South Tryon area that was written up about the other day. :biggrin:

[jdsingar]

A BIG name indeed! Eddy Curry here we come!

I'm banking on Jerome James. He would be the starting center we need to compete.

On another note, Big Z is signing with Miami. Probably for chips and cookies. Add that to Haslem. Nice.

[GoBobs]

Damp + Nazr + Carrol for Kaman + Baron Davis would be nice

[Proudiddy]

Him and Carl Scheer probably pitched a tent in his back yard and have been roughing it out in the wilderness telling campfire stories of George Shinn for the last 2 weeks.

[ebrown]

okafor and cp3 for dampier and doris????

is that possible?

[Chef]

if it is Chandler/Lexi/Diop for Damp/Carrol/Najera, I'm cool with it

cuban loves centers but he isn't taking diop back.

our next move
dump dampier: +12mil, diaw +9, nazr +6, jax +8

for

cp3, posey, oak

they would do it if we had 1st to give

[Proudiddy]

Damp + Nazr + Carrol for Kaman + Baron Davis would be nice

The Clippers would be nuked out of the league if they gave us that deal lol.

[LiquidWayno]

This trade would be rad if Diop were included. Never liked Lexi. Carroll could fill a need. Dampier could be used for a monster PG or C somewhere.

[TrytoCompete]

I'd love our starting 5 if we could get baron davis and kaman out of Clippers. Don't they want cap room anyway because they think they got a chance at Melo?

[polarcat]

i agree, that there is more to this.... no gm is this bad. this is the prelude to a bigger trade that gets us a center and pg. najera is probably our bench pf to back up t2 and carroll adds the 3-pt shooter back to our bench. i think diaw + damps contract + something else will be in play in the next 24 hours or so. forget tj, calderon or ridnour..... we're talking bigger name that will help us.

[Absinthe]

Jordan is terrible. How this trade better than the proposed Calderon trade? How? They pretty much just gave Dallas a ton of expiring contracts to dangle at the trade deadline. I think they have something like 27 million in expiring contracts now.

[tamburello]

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nba/news/story?id=5377055

[Proudiddy]

i agree, that there is more to this.... no gm is this bad. this is the prelude to a bigger trade that gets us a center and pg. najera is probably our bench pf to back up t2 and carroll adds the 3-pt shooter back to our bench. i think diaw + damps contract + something else will be in play in the next 24 hours or so. forget tj, calderon or ridnour..... we're talking bigger name that will help us.
Man I hope we're right... B/c if this was the move I was waiting for I may be on an episode of Forensic Files in the near future.

[ebrown]

i agree, that there is more to this.... no gm is this bad. this is the prelude to a bigger trade that gets us a center and pg. najera is probably our bench pf to back up t2 and carroll adds the 3-pt shooter back to our bench. i think diaw + damps contract + something else will be in play in the next 24 hours or so. forget tj, calderon or ridnour..... we're talking bigger name that will help us.

if you add carrolls contract to that and trade for cp3 and oak i think it works

[tamburello]

Jordan is terrible. How this trade better than the proposed Calderon trade? How? They pretty much just gave Dallas a ton of expiring contracts to dangle at the trade deadline. I think they have something like 27 million in expiring contracts now.

If we end up with Dampier's contract before sending him somewhere else and then waive him, I'll definitely think in that way.

[TrytoCompete]

All I can say is I've enjoyed the MJ ownership a lot more. The team is more exciting. Fun to see how all this plays out. Bob would have made this move and that would be that. go into the year with Diop is our starter.

[Proudiddy]

From the ESPN link, I'm now beginning to regret this move. Not only did we not have any other trade lined up after acquiring Damp, but we may end up waiving him without getting anything in return. Now throw in the fact that the Mavericks couldn't use him to get Chris Paul either and that's why they ended up targeting TC and giving Damp up... Well, there goes that whole 'big name trade' theory... Wow this sucks.

[blazenheat09]

If we end up with Dampier's contract before sending him somewhere else and then waive him, I'll definitely think in that way.


From what that ESPN article read, i think we'll look for another trade before cutting him. I have a feeling (and desparately hope) that something else big is in the works.

With our luck though, watch Ajinca turn into the next great all star, Dirk-like haha :facepalm:

[teej]

Even if we cut Dampier, this allows financial flexibilty to bring Theo back, sign someone to the MLE and still have room for more.

[polarcat]

if you add carrolls contract to that and trade for cp3 and oak i think it works

sure.... show me where to sign. :biggrin: i feel like we would have to part with wallace in order to get cp3. question is do you go for the young pg floor general over the athletic wing player that is the heart of your franchise?

cp3 /dj
jack / hendo
gforce / ups
t2 / najera
eo50 / nazzy

[Fred Williamson]

we will not waive Dampier. We are not that retarded.

[Proudiddy]

Bonnell is all over it as usual!


If reports on the Internet are true (Yahoo Sports twitter), the Bobcats intend to move Tyson Chandler and Alexis Ajinca to the Dallas Mavericks in return for Erick Dampier, Eduardo Najera and ex-Bobcat Matt Carroll.

Still pursuing independent confirmation of this. But here's what's interesting: Dampier's $13 million salary next season -- the last on his contract -- is unguaranteed. So hypothetically, the Bobcats could cut him now (or in the preseason) and not owe him anything.

That would effectively get the Bobcats out of their payroll mess, similar to had Chandler terminated his contract last month.

http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2010/07/chandler-ajinca-leaving-in-a-salary-dump.html

SMH... Real insider insight there.

[SirBobcat]

we will not waive Dampier. We are not that retarded.

Yes they are because they want that 13 million dollars immediately off the books.

[K1NGofAKR0N]

can we waive eduara najera too?!?!?!

[Chef]

waiving him is just about the same as a tpe except we don't actually have to trade anyone. in other words we could say to NO, we will trade you paul and posey for diaw and jax and by the way, we will take oak off your hands for free.

[RixFan16]

if you add carrolls contract to that and trade for cp3 and oak i think it works

Yup, it works:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=25dyyzq

[ohara831]

Stein at ESPN indicates we will look to move Dampier's contract as trade bait, and only later cut him if no good deal. That is why MJ wanted the contract. That $13 mil can be a very useful trade bait for us. See what he can do with it first, and then judge the deal.

[bbh2020]

I'm still not clear on how this trade works, even with the raja TPE thrown in.

Dampier = $13,075,000
Carroll = $4,300,000
Najera = $2,800,00
Total coming in = $20,175,000

Chandler = $12,750,000
Ajinca = $1,467,840
Raja TPE = $3,300,00
Total going out = $17,517,840

This is over the 10% allotment for trades isn't it?

[jdsingar]

Heh, glad to see we're getting good publicity.

http://twitter.com/chadfordinsider/status/18461262905

[ebrown]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2c3jx3r

[teej]

I'm still not clear on how this trade works, even with the raja TPE thrown in.

Dampier = $13,075,000
Carroll = $4,300,000
Najera = $2,800,00
Total coming in = $20,175,000

Chandler = $12,750,000
Ajinca = $1,467,840
Raja TPE = $3,300,00
Total going out = $17,517,840

This is over the 10% allotment for trades isn't it?

Two seperate trades.

Najera for the Raja TPE.

Dampier + Carroll for Lexy + TC

[Proudiddy]

Stein at ESPN indicates we will look to move Dampier's contract as trade bait, and only later cut him if no good deal. That is why MJ wanted the contract. That $13 mil can be a very useful trade bait for us. See what he can do with it first, and then judge the deal.

I just don't like that the Mavs weren't able to upgrade with his contract even with all the pieces they have to offer with how deep their bench is... We have to hope that Damp+Nazr+Diaw is enough to warrant a big talent compared to whatever the Mavs were offering.

And I hate to be a downer guys, but as much as I want to dream about a CP3 trade, the Hornets have been pretty adamant that they aren't moving him since the draft.

[tamburello]

I'm still not clear on how this trade works, even with the raja TPE thrown in.

Dampier = $13,075,000
Carroll = $4,300,000
Najera = $2,800,00
Total coming in = $20,175,000

Chandler = $12,750,000
Ajinca = $1,467,840
Raja TPE = $3,300,00
Total going out = $17,517,840

This is over the 10% allotment for trades isn't it?

It will be the third time I'm telling, anyway. These trades can be completed in separate parts. You can think of it as you trade TPE for Najera first, then Damp+Carroll for TC+Ajinça. Both trades work spontaneously. Also it's 25%+100k, not 10%.

The other question, Najera's deal has become fully guaranteed as he wasn't waived before June 30. If we want to waive him, we have to pay all of $5.5 million he's owed.

[Proudiddy]

It will be the third time I'm telling, anyway. These trades can be completed in separate parts. You can think of it as you trade TPE for Najera first, then Damp+Carroll for TC+Ajinça. Both trades work spontaneously. Also it's 25%+100k, not 10%.

The other question, Najera's deal has become fully guaranteed as he wasn't waived before June 30. If we want to waive him, we have to pay all of $5.5 million he's owed.

If we waived him and paid out the 5.5M, will that erase it form our cap salaries?

I'm embarrassed, Jordan is being compared to Kahn now.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

Guys, I know Shaq is old and nearing the end but he would like to play two more years. Would it be a big deal to sign Shaq to two years and see what he can give us? I mean an old worn out Shaq is better than anybody we have on our team who is young and healthy.

That is of coaurse if Shaq would play on the seriously cheap.

[Fred Williamson]

This is from Mezortakus from the cats RGM board:


This trade can't be judged yet until we see what else Jordan does.

After this trade assuming we waive Dampier we are ~$6.1m under the cap ($59m - $14m [Chander+Ajinca] + $7.1m [Carroll+Najera] = $52.9m

We could still trade Diaw to Toronto or Phoenix and get nothing back since they each have TPEs to use which could push us further under the cap. We could use this to sign contributors to short term deals, make a big splash like Paul (though its doubtful we could pull that off), etc.

We could trade Dampier to another team over the luxury tax saving them $26m and getting useful assets back in return (picks, contributors, etc.)

say what you want, this was a wise move

[teej]

I'm embarrassed, Jordan is being compared to Kahn now.

By a guy who lives behind a computer screen in Connecticut.

Chad Ford is an idiot.

[CatNation]

this is a move that can't be judged till we see the final plan. of course thats hoping there is a final plan :facepalm:. i will not indulge in the foolish cp3 talk, you guys just set yourself up for disappointment every time

[tamburello]

If we waived him and paid out the 5.5M, will that erase it form our cap salaries?



No, sir. Whatever you pay for the buyout appears on your payroll. If you waive a player and he demands nothing (like Derek Fisher's buyout in Utah), he's erased from salary. If you pay 3 million for buyout, 3 million appears on payroll.

[Proudiddy]

By a guy who lives behind a computer screen in Connecticut.

Chad Ford is an idiot.

Good point. You reminded me of his habit of pontificating on air of his love of Star Wars.

[Proudiddy]

No, sir. Whatever you pay for the buyout appears on your payroll. If you waive a player and he demands nothing (like Derek Fisher's buyout in Utah), he's erased from salary. If you pay 3 million for buyout, 3 million appears on payroll.

Wow, that sucks. I was hoping it was looked at as paying for the contract out of the owner's pocket expenses rather than counting towards the franchise's... Or something like that...

[Chef]

By a guy who lives behind a computer screen in Connecticut.

Chad Ford is an idiot.

nice. chad ford has gm's ears so his info is worth a look, but often times he plays favorites with his opinions and generally shits on the Bob's. if this exact trade had been made by the lakers it would be a great move for both teams.

[tamburello]

This trade can't be judged yet until we see what else Jordan does.

After this trade assuming we waive Dampier we are ~$6.1m under the cap ($59m - $14m [Chander+Ajinca] + $7.1m [Carroll+Najera] = $52.9m


This wise guy apparently forgets Tyrus in our payroll. Stop daydreaming gentlemen, we're not moving under salary cap limit whatsoever.

[jpf_v2.0]

From Bonnell's comments on his blog...


If this is happening, it hasn't reached the point where all the players have been informed. Just got off the phone with Matt Carroll, who said the Mavericks haven't called him or his agent yet.
By the way, Matt said he'd be thrilled to come back to the Bobcats. The Carrolls still own a home here from his first stay as a Bobcat, though the house is rented right now.
"If it's true, I'm excited,'' said Carroll, who hasn't played much in Dallas.

Posted by: Rick Bonnell | Jul 13, 2010 3:57:27 PM

[ebrown]

this is probably what will happen

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=26wg4dp

[jpf_v2.0]

This wise guy apparently forgets Tyrus in our payroll. Stop daydreaming gentlemen, we're not moving under salary cap limit whatsoever.

Thanks for clearing that up Tamb, I was looking over my notes and still had us over 60 mill in salary.

[Proudiddy]

From Bonnell's comments on his blog...

Ok, I have to give Bonnell his props on this bit. IDK, I would like to hope that we hold off on finalizing it until we know what we can do with Damps contract.

I would enjoy having Matt back as long as we use him. But, I DO NOT want Najera.

[Muttley]

Dampier's contract could end up netting us Monta Ellis (Warriors are being sold and they always love a good salary dump), or something else as others have mentioned.

I just hope that MJ's prudent enough to hang on to Dampier's contract until the last possible moment to see if there are any takers.

[SirBobcat]

I like this deal. We're in save mode!

Dampier and Najera's deals are non guaranteed! So basically we traded Tyson Chandler and Alexis Ajinca for Matt Carroll. $14,067,840 out and we're ending up with $4,300,000 in return that goes down each of the remaining years left; Approximately 10 million dollars in immediate shedding!

Assuming we cut Dampier and Najera, we have $62,911,810 invested into 12 players. At the end of this season, we have $51,068,970 into 9 players.

Here's my source on Dallas' contracts: http://www.hoopsworld.com/story.asp?story_id=9182

They're usually very accurate on contracts unlike HoopsHype

[Ghost Kat]

Damn, Are yall fans or accountants??

[tamburello]

I like this deal. We're in save mode!

Dampier and Najera's deals are non guaranteed! So basically we traded Tyson Chandler and Alexis Ajinca for Matt Carroll. $14,067,840 out and we're ending up with $4,300,000 in return that goes down each of the remaining years left; Approximately 10 million dollars in immediate shedding!

Assuming we cut Dampier and Najera, we have $62,911,810 invested into 12 players. At the end of this season, we have $51,068,970 into 9 players.

As I have mentioned in previous pages, Najera's remaining two years have become fully guaranteed as he wasn't waived by June 30.

[teej]

It's official

http://www.nba.com/bobcats/mavericks_trade_100713.html

[Proudiddy]

Dampier's contract could end up netting us Monta Ellis (Warriors are being sold and they always love a good salary dump), or something else as others have mentioned.

I just hope that MJ's prudent enough to hang on to Dampier's contract until the last possible moment to see if there are any takers.

You just gave me an idea of an amazing trade that will satisfy 2 of our needs... Without looking at the payrolls, tell me if this works:

We send to GSW:

Damp
Diaw

We Receive:
Ellis
Biedrins

From my memory, on NBA2k, Biedrins makes a flat rate of 9M a year for like 4 or 5 more years. I like his game and he could be the center we're looking for. His salary with Diaw's should cancel out, and they get a shorter contract in Diaw's.

As far as Ellis, I'm not sure without looking, but shouldn't his contract match up well with that 13M?

[bbh2020]

how do you know that najera's deal is non-guaranteed?

[SirBobcat]

As I have mentioned in previous pages, Najera's remaining two years have become fully guaranteed as he wasn't waived by June 30.

Thanks for that information and why in the hell didn't Dallas get rid of that salary?

[jdsingar]

You just gave me an idea of an amazing trade that will satisfy 2 of our needs... Without looking at the payrolls, tell me if this works:

We send to GSW:

Damp
Diaw

We Receive:
Ellis
Biedrins

From my memory, on NBA2k, Biedrins makes a flat rate of 9M a year for like 4 or 5 more years. I like his game and he could be the center we're looking for. His salary with Diaw's should cancel out, and they get a shorter contract in Diaw's.

As far as Ellis, I'm not sure without looking, but shouldn't his contract match up well with that 13M?

Biedrins is a risk. With that risk comes upside at the center position. I would like a deal like that one. Just keep in mind..Biedrins was (at least at one point) shooting 13% from the charity stripe. Ridiculous.

[ohara831]

As I have mentioned in previous pages, Najera's remaining two years have become fully guaranteed as he wasn't waived by June 30.

Yeah, It sucks. But we had to take it to get the Dampier contract. I like having The Hammer back. Think he'll help with offense off the bench.

[CatNation]

Anyone who doesn't like Matt Carroll isn't a real Bobcats fan. He's like our Ricky Proehl if Ricky Proehl was bad

[Proudiddy]

Biedrins is a risk. With that risk comes upside at the center position. I would like a deal like that one. Just keep in mind..Biedrins was (at least at one point) shooting 13% from the charity stripe. Ridiculous.

Yeah, I remember him making 3 jeers and The Not Top 10 several times last year for his FT shooting, but I can live with that. Hopefully, he can improve that, if not, I'm fine with subbing him out at the end of games with the rebounding, defense, athleticism and inside scoring he brings.

[ammofan]

I actually like this deal....we get a mega trade piece and still get everyone's 2nd fav Bobcat, Matt carroll. He fills a huge need of shooting that we dearly missed last season.

[ammofan]

I was just thinking......maybe we can still turn around and trade dampier for Calderon?

[DCW]

hows bout trying to aquire Nene, wasnt the nuggets interested in Biedrins maybe something like that

[tamburello]

Thanks for that information and why in the hell didn't Dallas get rid of that salary?

Maybe they thought there are always stupid buyers for stupid contracts in the NBA.


I love Carroll, believe me or not he was my favorite Bobcats player on the roster back then. What I don't like is simply his contract.

[bbh2020]

Keep in mind that Ajinca's agent tweeted that he was traded yesterday, while the Toronto deal was still being discussed.

I have to believe (or really hoping) that this only part of a bigger move for some talent.

I'm sure there are a lot of discussions going on in Vegas this week.

Let's see how this plays out and judge it again at the end of the week.

[jdsingar]

I was just thinking......maybe we can still turn around and trade dampier for Calderon?

I guess we could in theory. That is very underwhelming though. It would probably be better just to cut Dampier's salary rather than at $30+ million over 3 years.

[blazenheat09]

Biedrins is a risk. With that risk comes upside at the center position. I would like a deal like that one. Just keep in mind..Biedrins was (at least at one point) shooting 13% from the charity stripe. Ridiculous.


Do I dare bring up the JEFF CAPEL FREE THROW SCHOOL :biggrin:

With that, he'll easily be up to 70% soon haha

[Proudiddy]

Being that this was the first trade I made up on this board that I can remember, this is what I'm going with still...

Damp, Diaw

for

Biedrins, Ellis.

It makes sense b/c Beidrins and Ellis were both rumored to be available around and before the draft. The Warriors are looking to cut payroll/costs and Higgins still has connections with their FO, I assume. It's the most realistic and logical trade I can think of.

[Muttley]

You just gave me an idea of an amazing trade that will satisfy 2 of our needs... Without looking at the payrolls, tell me if this works:

We send to GSW:

Damp
Diaw

We Receive:
Ellis
Biedrins

From my memory, on NBA2k, Biedrins makes a flat rate of 9M a year for like 4 or 5 more years. I like his game and he could be the center we're looking for. His salary with Diaw's should cancel out, and they get a shorter contract in Diaw's.

As far as Ellis, I'm not sure without looking, but shouldn't his contract match up well with that 13M?
Ellis makes $11M.

Ellis AND Biedrins... that's a lot of long-term financial commitment.

[teej]

Do I dare bring up the JEFF CAPEL FREE THROW SCHOOL :biggrin:


Three shots of Jack Daniel's, everyone.

FSCarolinas drinking game FTW.

[bbh2020]

here's the press release:


Charlotte Bobcats General Manager Rod Higgins announced today that the team has acquired center Erick Dampier, shooting guard Matt Carroll, forward Eduardo Najera and cash considerations from the Dallas Mavericks in exchange for Tyson Chandler and Alexis Ajinca. "Our main goal this offseason was finding a way to reshape this roster and continue the momentum we have established," Higgins said. "While it’s always difficult to give up key pieces of your team, we believe this deal will give financial flexibility and the ability to improve our team at the same time."

[Proudiddy]

Ellis makes $11M.

Ellis AND Biedrins... that's a lot of long-term financial commitment.

But both are relatively young and hard to argue they wouldn't upgrade our talent level.

A starting lineup of:

DJ or Ellis
Jack
Wallace
Thomas
Biedrins

I like it.

[Proudiddy]

here's the press release:


Charlotte Bobcats General Manager Rod Higgins announced today that the team has acquired center Erick Dampier, shooting guard Matt Carroll, forward Eduardo Najera and cash considerations from the Dallas Mavericks in exchange for Tyson Chandler and Alexis Ajinca. "Our main goal this offseason was finding a way to reshape this roster and continue the momentum we have established," Higgins said. "While it’s always difficult to give up key pieces of your team, we believe this deal will give financial flexibility and the ability to improve our team at the same time."

I wonder what the cash considerations are? Maybe they felt bad and paid off Diop's deal lol...

[TrytoCompete]

NBA tv is discussing that perhaps now we do diaw straight up for calderon. Or maybe throw another team in and make it a 3 team trade

[jpf_v2.0]

I'd be fine with Ellis, but not so much with Biedrens. The two together would account for 80 mill over the next 4 years. The two together just doesn't seem like a smart move salary wise IMO.

[Proudiddy]

NBA tv is discussing that perhaps now we do diaw straight up for calderon. Or maybe throw another team in and make it a 3 team trade

Nah, not straight up... They'll probably talk us into giving them Wallace and Jack for Sonny Weems.

[dvdbumpus]

I'll take the Biedrins/Ellis deal! Those are young studs. Wonder what it'd be like with those guys in a structured system that's not Nelly ball....probably be pretty well off....

If nothing else, I like the fact that Dampier's contract is voidable. Either a great trade piece or extra money for us. Keep in mind this was originally the trade piece that was going to net Al Jefferson, so some other stuf players could be coming our way (Monta Ellis?)

Why the heck did we take back Matt Carroll though?? AGH!!!! Couldn't they have taken Diop back? FML....

[rsxnova]

im scratching my head till this is over.

[Wolfpackbobcat]

hopefully something else happens in a few days

[eleaf14]

Charlotte Bobcats General Manager Rod Higgins announced today that the team has acquired center Erick Dampier, shooting guard Matt Carroll, forward Eduardo Najera and cash considerations from the Dallas Mavericks in exchange for Tyson Chandler and Alexis Ajinca. "Our main goal this offseason was finding a way to reshape this roster and continue the momentum we have established," Higgins said. "While it’s always difficult to give up key pieces of your team, we believe this deal will give financial flexibility and the ability to improve our team at the same time."

More coming. Thats for sure.

[jpf_v2.0]

I'll take the Biedrins/Ellis deal! Those are young studs. Wonder what it'd be like with those guys in a structured system that's not Nelly ball....probably be pretty well off....

Don't get me wrong I like the thought of the trade on the court, but salary wise with the uncertainty of the labor situation I think it could end up a bad move.

It would push us over the luxury threshold this year (assuming no other moves) and have us over 58 mill in salary each of the next two years with 9 players under contract for 2011-12, and 8 under contract for 2012-13.

EDIT- actually it'd be more than that in 2011-12 and 2012-13. Just noticed I didn't have TT's salary numbers filled in those years.

[ND22]

This can't be the last move. Can't be. Seriously, this can't be.

If it is... :facepalm:

[Muttley]

According to Bonnell, Najera's contract is declining as well:

"$4.3 million next season and $3.9M and $3.5M after that.
Najera makes $2.8M next season and $2.6M"

So, what takes up $7.1M in cap room this season, only takes up $6.5M and then $3.5M in the years after that, which is at least somewhat helpful as other contracts rise in cost. (Although, Ajinca and Chandler would've taken up $0M in cap room next season...)

[dvdbumpus]

Don't get me wrong I like the thought of the trade on the court, but salary wise with the uncertainty of the labor situation I think it could end up a bad move.

It would push us over the luxury threshold this year (assuming no other moves) and have us over 58 mill in salary each of the next two years with 9 players under contract for 2011-12, and 8 under contract for 2012-13.

Touche. Touche. I'll take Ellis or biedrins then. Biedrins for Diaw or Ellis for Dampier's voidable contract.

[dnbman]

According to Bonnell, Najera's contract is declining as well:

"$4.3 million next season and $3.9M and $3.5M after that.
Najera makes $2.8M next season and $2.6M"

So, what takes up $7.1M in cap room this season, only takes up $6.5M and then $3.5M in the years after that, which is at least somewhat helpful as other contracts rise in cost. (Although, Ajinca and Chandler would've taken up $0M in cap room next season...)

Based on Higgins comment, I'm guessing he wants to see if Dampier can be our center this season first, but then use him as a zero risk trade chip for a bigger target, as we can now go after a player that makes close to $15M should we find the right piece. If don't find the right piece and Dampier doesn't work out, we cut him. Essentially, Dampier gives us more flexibility, even if Najera and Carroll provide a little more financial commitment. Even though Hammer and Najera are limited, both can contribute.

[jpf_v2.0]

I just had to edit my previous post. It would actually be more salary than that in 2011-12 & 2012-13 (I didn't have salary numbers plugged in those years for TT, so it's safe to say it would be at least 65+ mill each of those years, can't give the exact number since I don't have those numbers yet).

[ELEVATION]

I know that this may seem a lil crazy..but dnt keep Jamison out of the picture as a possible pick up for the Bobcats. Although his contract is big, like cp3 he is from NC and would like to play in his hometown (he has a house in NC).

I would love for the 'CATS to get CP3 more though!!

[azfollower]

The most likely trade I see coming out of this is Diaw and Dampier going to Indiana.

I think we could bring in Murphy/Ford with those chips, and while neither of those guys would be perfect for us, we need a PG like Ford and Murphy would be our only shooting big man.

What do you guys think?

[dnbman]

I know that this may seem a lil crazy..but dnt keep Jamison out of the picture as a possible pick up for the Bobcats. Although his contract is big, like cp3 he is from NC and would like to play in his hometown (he has a house in NC).

I would love for the 'CATS to get CP3 more though!!

I don't think the Cats are interested in Jamison after giving Tyrus his contract. Maybe, but I doubt it.

[dvdbumpus]

The most likely trade I see coming out of this is Diaw and Dampier going to Indiana.

I think we could bring in Murphy/Ford with those chips, and while neither of those guys would be perfect for us, we need a PG like Ford and Murphy would be our only shooting big man.

What do you guys think?

I'd be ok with Murphy, but would much rather have Ramon Sessions...

[Chef]

But both are relatively young and hard to argue they wouldn't upgrade our talent level.

A starting lineup of:

DJ or Ellis
Jack
Wallace
Thomas
Biedrins

I like it.

wasn't there major tension between jax and ellis. ellis is a blackhole. as much as i like his individual game, his team game is awful.

[ajbry]

wasn't there major tension between jax and ellis. ellis is a blackhole. as much as i like his individual game, his team game is awful.

Jack and Ellis are extremely close and had great chemistry on the floor.

But you are correct - Monta isn't much of a willing passer.

[dvdbumpus]

wasn't there major tension between jax and ellis. ellis is a blackhole. as much as i like his individual game, his team game is awful.

Reminds me on Tyrus Thomas....

[Proudiddy]

wasn't there major tension between jax and ellis. ellis is a blackhole. as much as i like his individual game, his team game is awful.

Yeah, I was under the impression that they were close and considered each other almost like brothers. NBATv had some show on from before he got traded that had Ellis and Jax talking about how Jax helped him adjust to the NBA, he looked up to him, etc.

[Chef]

Jack and Ellis are extremely close and had great chemistry on the floor.

But you are correct - Monta isn't much of a willing passer.

ok. then my main concern is ellis and larry brown. could go one of two ways, ellis becomes a top 5 point guard or gets 25 to the izz-EL for murdering LB.

[SWedd523]

People did nothing but complain about our lack of outside shooting. We just picked up a phenomenal outside shooter for 4mil. Compare that to what Redick got and I'll say we got a steal as far as he's concerned. Najera is a nice backup energy guy who does a bit of everything on a cheap contract. Damp is better than Tyson, and has a more valuable contract.

Win
Wash
Win


Good deal.






Would it have worked out nicely if Diop was included instead of the Raja TE? Yes. Would I have came if Roddy Beaubois was included? YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS S

[MGH1989]

Someone reassure me.

[Chef]

Someone reassure me.

it absolutely will be. either in the next few weeks or later in the season. either way it is a win for us. now, the next scary thing is what are we going to do with boris and damp's contract.

if we can't get stars, we should absolutely try to rid ourselves of the barnacle at the end of the bench disguised in street clothes named diop.

[Mustachio]

this couldnt have been posted in the official thread? attention hog.

[SWedd523]

Merged. Let's keep all the Dallas trade discussion in one place please :)

[Mustachio]

Sorry Sweed, but there is nothing phenomonal about Matt Carroll. hes as average as water.

[dvdbumpus]

if we can't get stars, we should absolutely try to rid ourselves of the barnacle at the end of the bench disguised in street clothes named diop.

oh god. Don't even get me started about that bum.

[SWedd523]

Sorry Sweed, but there is nothing phenomonal about Matt Carroll. hes as average as water.

He's a better (.395) 3PT shooter than JJ Redick (.392) and Redick just signed for $6.5mil a year. Hammer is much, much less than that.

I'd say we got great value for one of our weakest aspects of the game.

[Felton for Prez]

Anyone else get the feeling that Jordan lost big at the poker table last night?

[ChuckHayes69]

He's a better (.395) 3PT shooter than JJ Redick (.392) and Redick just signed for $6.5mil a year. Hammer is much, much less than that.

I'd say we got great value for one of our weakest aspects of the game.

I agree. I wouldn't call him a great value, but he is definitely the exact type of player we need off the bench, and his contract isn't too bad since it is decreasing each year. Overall I like this deal a lot. Waay better than that Calderon deal, and I wouldn't be surprised if there's another move coming.

[CatNation]

how long until the damp contract become guaranteed? if hes on the roster at the beginning of the season he just becomes an expiring right? so why trade him for chandler? i guess we shouldnt expect to see damp in a cats uni..

[teej]

how long until the damp contract become guaranteed? if hes on the roster at the beginning of the season he just becomes an expiring right? so why trade him for chandler? i guess we shouldnt expect to see damp in a cats uni..

Exactly. More on Dampier's contract in here:

http://bobcatsplanet.com/wp/bobcats-trade-chandler-to-mavericks

[ohara831]

If we use Dampier's contract and Diaw for a good trade, then I will be very happy with this off season.

[Ampsportsduo]

@mikecranston1 (http://twitter.com/mikecranston1): "#Bobcats (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23Bobcats) GM Rod Higgins vague on whether Dampier will be waived or used in another trade"

[Ghost Kat]

Anyone who doesn't like Matt Carroll isn't a real Bobcats fan. He's like our Ricky Proehl if Ricky Proehl was bad

I'm actually happy he's back...even though I don't know when he might get PT

[SWedd523]

How did we not get Roddy?
:cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::banghead::banghead::bang head::ranting::ranting::ranting::xplode::xplode::x plode::xplode::xplode::mad2::mad2::mad2::mad2::mad 2:

[ChuckHayes69]

How did we not get Roddy?
:cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::banghead::banghead::bang head::ranting::ranting::ranting::xplode::xplode::x plode::xplode::xplode::mad2::mad2::mad2::mad2::mad 2:

Cause they're not stupid.

[PouncingBobcat]

You have to be kidding me ?!?! Jordan cancels the trade for Jose Calderon and Reggie Evans instead opting for Najera, Dampier and Matt Carroll ?!?!?!?!?!?! Calderon is one of the best young PG's in the league !!!

This is one of the dumbest trades I have ever seen. Dampier?!?!?! This guy was washed up once he left the Warriors over 5 seasons ago !!! And Najera is a bench player at best. I'm sorry but Jordan is a moron when it comes to transaction decisions. Kwame Brown anyone ?!?!?!

Calderon coming in for Felton would have been an upgrade, but this move is a disgrace !!! If your going to unload Chandler (which I was in favor of) then pick up some talent, not three scrubs who aren't worth the court minutes.

[TheBeagle]

Boy, I'm just trying to figure out which is the more boring trade: the Calderon thing from yesterday or what actually went down today. God knows getting an email with Erika, Najera and Matt in Cats jerseys didn't inspire to anything other than a smidge of incredulity and a yawn. Couldn't we have just done the Boris for Dwayne Jones, and gotten cap room that way?

At this point, I just have to have faith they'll parlay this into something worthwhile because this team has taken a step or so back thus far in the offseason and is in danger of negating any goodwill generated over the course of last season.

[ziggy]

I'm comfortable with this as long as its a prelude to another move.

From an on the court perspective Lexi wasn't going to give us anything this year and Tyson would probably miss another 40+ games

[ChuckHayes69]

You have to be kidding me ?!?! Jordan cancels the trade for Jose Calderon and Reggie Evans instead opting for Najera, Dampier and Matt Carroll ?!?!?!?!?!?! Calderon is one of the best young PG's in the league !!!

This is one of the dumbest trades I have ever seen. Dampier?!?!?! This guy was washed up once he left the Warriors over 5 seasons ago !!! And Najera is a bench player at best. I'm sorry but Jordan is a moron when it comes to transaction decisions. Kwame Brown anyone ?!?!?!

Calderon coming in for Felton would have been an upgrade, but this move is a disgrace !!! If your going to unload Chandler (which I was in favor of) then pick up some talent, not three scrubs who aren't worth the court minutes.

Dampier is just as good as Chandler, with a more tradable contract because it is non-guaranteed. Calderon isn't anywhere near one of "the top young PG's"....he is average and overpaid.

[ammofan]

Well we better be trading Dampier....thats all i have to say

[WAM9]

Dampier is just as good as Chandler, with a more tradable contract because it is non-guaranteed. Calderon isn't anywhere near one of "the top young PG's"....he is average and overpaid.

Exactly.......

[PouncingBobcat]

I'm comfortable with this as long as its a prelude to another move.

From an on the court perspective Lexi wasn't going to give us anything this year and Tyson would probably miss another 40+ games

Are there rumors this is leading up to another trade or is this just a guess on your part? I sure hope your right because after hearing about the CHA-TOR trade and thinking it would be done just to hear this news today I'm a bit disappointed to say the least.

[PouncingBobcat]

Dampier is just as good as Chandler, with a more tradable contract because it is non-guaranteed. Calderon isn't anywhere near one of "the top young PG's"....he is average and overpaid.

Well that's your opinion. I couldn't disagree more with you. Dampier is just a clone of the Ratliff trade last year. Past his prime, waste of a bench spot. And Calderon is a good PG. He gets no press because he plays in Canada, but he's better than Felton.

[Chef]

any thoughts on nazr + diaw + damp for dunleavy, murphy and glup...tinsley.

why:
all three are expiring
we get rid of diaw a year early
these three would make us really tough everywhere except pg. but gives dj a chance to start if tinsley starts akting a fool.

[Ampsportsduo]

Have to give this trade an incomplete, no doubt. No one the team brought in will contribute next season. Dampier can put his hands up, but that's it. Carroll won't be playing, just as he didn't under LB before. Najera may get a few minutes in spot duty, but that's all.

This move is one of two things: a straight salary dump or the move before the move. No middle ground.

Had the team made this trade at the beginning of FA, I might be open to the idea of waiving Dampier immediately, but since most of the FAs of value in positions this team needs have been picked over, I would lean towards a trade. There are no acceptable PGs out there to lead the team. There are no centers out there with the ability to start and play big minutes.

To me the move that this could set up for would be Paul and Posey for Crash and Dampier. The Hornets have said they're going to stick with Paul, but word has come out that he feels lied to and the team has done nothing to help build a winner around him. This way they get an All-Star back, save $12.5 million instantly (if they cut Dampier) and they could make moves to improve their team without flirting with Luxury tax disaster. (For several reasons, there may need to be some other filler thrown if with the trade)

[CatNation]

I think we can all be 100% sure that damp will never take the court as a Bobcat. we'll either waive him or trade him. We wouldn't just trade a big expiring to get another big expiring and 2 contracts

[WAM9]

Well that's your opinion. I couldn't disagree more with you. Dampier is just a clone of the Ratliff trade last year. Past his prime, waste of a bench spot. And Calderon is a good PG. He gets no press because he plays in Canada, but he's better than Felton.

Good point guard and one of the top point guards aren't the same thing. Also, better than Felton? In some areas but certainly not defensively and not in the salary department.

I don't beleive Dampier will be on our team for long but even if he plays, the closer we get to the trading deadline, the more valuable he becomes.

By the way, you didn't like the Ratliff trade last year?

[PouncingBobcat]

I'm all too familiar with Murphy and Dunleavy from living in the Bay Area before moving to Charlotte. They are decent players, but i would look elsewhere. We should have made a play for Wesley Matthews who averaged 13 ppg as a rookie for the Jazz. Looks like the Trailblazers will get him unless the Jazz match his offer.

[PouncingBobcat]

By the way, you didn't like the Ratliff trade last year?

At first news of the trade I wasn't a fan. I think that was the overall consensus. But after he got on the court and sparked the team, I thought it was a good move. I was in Milwaukee for the Bucks-Bobcats game when he came in and made some nice rebounds to help Jackson get his 30+ point night. I think your right to have liked that move.

[ChuckHayes69]

Well that's your opinion. I couldn't disagree more with you. Dampier is just a clone of the Ratliff trade last year. Past his prime, waste of a bench spot. And Calderon is a good PG. He gets no press because he plays in Canada, but he's better than Felton.

If we can't trade Dampier though we waive him before the season and save $13 mil. Chandler was a waste of an IR spot and 12 mil if you want to diss somebody. Calderon is an average all around starting point guard in the nba, and getting paid like he's a premiere one. I don't get my bball information from the press though, so that's cool...I follow the league closely and watch individual players for myself. Calderon is a very good passer and efficient, but can't play any defense and since his injuries has lost driving ability and can no longer move like he used to be able to. Basically my problem with your original post was you showed no knowledge of the fact these players get paid, and the amount they make makes a huge difference in these trades.

[G Force]

Aren't we expecting to waive Dampier?

[ChuckHayes69]

Aren't we expecting to waive Dampier?

Definitely if we can't trade him before the season.

[Ampsportsduo]

Well that's your opinion. I couldn't disagree more with you. Dampier is just a clone of the Ratliff trade last year. Past his prime, waste of a bench spot. And Calderon is a good PG. He gets no press because he plays in Canada, but he's better than Felton.

Theo started just as many games as Naz or TC. Not sure how you call him a waste of a bench spot.

[dnbman]

Aren't we expecting to waive Dampier?

Not unless we see someone we want to sign outright right away. The plan according to the press is to let him play to see if he is a good fit for us this year, knowing we can trade him later or just cut him.

[SWedd523]

Well that's your opinion. I couldn't disagree more with you. Dampier is just a clone of the Ratliff trade last year. Past his prime, waste of a bench spot. And Calderon is a good PG. He gets no press because he plays in Canada, but he's better than Felton.

Damp played in and started more games than Tyson last year.
Damp had a higher FG%
Tyson had a higher FT%
Damp averaged more offensive rebounds
Damp averaged more defensive rebounds
Damp averaged more assists
Same amount of steals
Damp averaged more blocks
Damp averaged less turnovers
Tyson averaged more points


So he's basically a more durable, better shooting, better rebounding, better passer, and blocked more shots than Tyson. On a better (easier to move) salary.

[PouncingBobcat]

If we can't trade Dampier though we waive him before the season and save $13 mil. Chandler was a waste of an IR spot and 12 mil if you want to diss somebody. Calderon is an average all around starting point guard in the nba, and getting paid like he's a premiere one. I don't get my bball information from the press though, so that's cool...I follow the league closely and watch individual players for myself. Calderon is a very good passer and efficient, but can't play any defense and since his injuries has lost driving ability and can no longer move like he used to be able to. Basically my problem with your original post was you showed no knowledge of the fact these players get paid, and the amount they make makes a huge difference in these trades.

He's Spanish so that equals no defense. :rolleyes: I agree. We had the lowest points against last season so I felt we could take the defensive hit and still do well. His contract is more than I would like, but right now I would take him and cut elsewhere. I see your points and I respect them. You know your stuff. I just feel we have to do better getting talent before the season starts otherwise ATL, ORL, and MIA are going to smack us around in the division.

[ChuckHayes69]

Theo started just as many games as Naz or TC. Not sure how you call him a waste of a bench spot.

I think that was meant as Dampier being the waste of a bench space...which you could also argue against from several different sides I'd say.

[PouncingBobcat]

Damp played in and started more games than Tyson last year.
Damp had a higher FG%
Tyson had a higher FT%
Damp averaged more offensive rebounds
Damp averaged more defensive rebounds
Damp averaged more assists
Same amount of steals
Damp averaged more blocks
Damp averaged less turnovers
Tyson averaged more points


So he's basically a more durable, better shooting, better rebounding, better passer, and blocked more shots than Tyson. On a better (easier to move) salary.

That's not saying much considering how Chandler was always injured and never in the lineup. He was also around guys like Dirk, Terry and a few other high contract players.

[SWedd523]

And I'm sure if Tyson had been better in those categories you'd be using the stats as further proof that you don't like the trade.

Spin it however you will. I'd rather have Dampier.

[PouncingBobcat]

Theo started just as many games as Naz or TC. Not sure how you call him a waste of a bench spot.

You misread my post. Dampier is a waste of a bench spot, not Ratliff. I like how he sparked us down the home stretch.

[ChuckHayes69]

He's Spanish so that equals no defense. :rolleyes: I agree. We had the lowest points against last season so I felt we could take the defensive hit and still do well. His contract is more than I would like, but right now I would take him and cut elsewhere. I see your points and I respect them. You know your stuff. I just feel we have to do better getting talent before the season starts otherwise ATL, ORL, and MIA are going to smack us around in the division.

I definitely agree there. I just think we can do a lot better in the trade market with Dampier's non-guaranteed contract than Calderon's bad contract. I mean hell, the T-wolves were close to taking it and picks for Jefferson until the Mavs asked for them to take on Carrol and someone else's contract (don't remember who) too. I'd just say wait and see, I'd bet thousands that Dampier never sees October as a member of the Bobcats though. We either saved money or got a great trade chip for another move.

[ammofan]

Well the Hornets fired Bower today....alot of people say that CP3 may very well be available now

[PouncingBobcat]

And I'm sure if Tyson had been better in those categories you'd be using the stats as further proof that you don't like the trade.

Spin it however you will. I'd rather have Dampier.


HAHAHA, of course ! If Chandler had better stats if far fewer games your telling me that doesn't say anything? Not sure what your trying to say.

[rsxnova]

I'm all too familiar with Murphy and Dunleavy from living in the Bay Area before moving to Charlotte. They are decent players, but i would look elsewhere. We should have made a play for Wesley Matthews who averaged 13 ppg as a rookie for the Jazz. Looks like the Trailblazers will get him unless the Jazz match his offer.

Mike D:facepalm:, but i like Murphy.

[Ampsportsduo]

Aren't we expecting to waive Dampier?

Not unless the team can't find a trade. The team doesn't have to trade him before the season. Pretty sure it can be voided all the way up until January (certain day early in the month in which non-guaranteed contracts become guaranteed).

If there are FAs they are targeting they may do it sooner, but it makes sense to keep it on the books until something better comes along.

[PouncingBobcat]

Mike D:facepalm:, but i like Murphy.

My point exactly! :biggrin:

[SWedd523]

Dampier played in 55 games last year, averaging 23.3 minutes per. Tyson played in 51 games last year, averaging 27.6 minutes per.



Yet Dampier still averaged better numbers, The difference would be even (slightly) greater on a per36 basis. Where is the "far fewer games" thing you're talking about coming from? Do a little research dude. Dampier is better.

[ohara831]

Well the Hornets fired Bower today....alot of people say that CP3 may very well be available now

I mentioned on another thread, we might entertain trading the Dampier Contract and Diaw to NO for CP3 and Okafor.

[ChuckHayes69]

Not unless the team can't find a trade. The team doesn't have to trade him before the season. Pretty sure it can be voided all the way up until January (certain day early in the month in which non-guaranteed contracts become guaranteed).

If there are FAs they are targeting they may do it sooner, but it makes sense to keep it on the books until something better comes along.


That's nice to know....I feel like we could get more if we waited until mid season..........getting an expiring you don't have to pay looks pretty enticing to gm's who's teams are already out of it in January

[LiquidWayno]

I mentioned on another thread, we might entertain trading the Dampier Contract and Diaw to NO for CP3 and Okafor.
I would forgive Okafor for all his past transgressions if this trade happens.

[PouncingBobcat]

Dampier played in 55 games last year, averaging 23.3 minutes per. Tyson played in 51 games last year, averaging 27.6 minutes per.



Yet Dampier still averaged better numbers, The difference would be even (slightly) greater on a per36 basis. Where is the "far fewer games" thing you're talking about coming from. Do a little research dude. Dampier is better.


I'm not going to get into an argument with you because its not worth it. YOU SAID, If Chandler had played in less games but had better stats than Dampier then I would use that as backup to saying Chandler is worth more. I SAID, of course. Why would you value Dampier who plays for a better team rather than a beat up Chandler who, in our scenario, scored more? Think about it, ok?

[ammofan]

I mentioned on another thread, we might entertain trading the Dampier Contract and Diaw to NO for CP3 and Okafor.

I have a weird feeling that CP3 was the plan all along....either that or the reason MJ called off the TOR trade lat night is because he heard Bower was getting fired and we had a real shot at getting CP3 with him gone. I actually dotn know if i see CP3 and Mek for Diaw and Damp because I think the Hornets would want all young players or expirings. i can see something like Augustin, Henderson, Nazr, dampier for CP3, Okafor and someone else.

[TheBeagle]

I mentioned on another thread, we might entertain trading the Dampier Contract and Diaw to NO for CP3 and Okafor.
Whatever it takes. Amp even metioned a trade involving Erika and Crash for Chris et al. Must. Have. Chris.

[CatNation]

I mentioned on another thread, we might entertain trading the Dampier Contract and Diaw to NO for CP3 and Okafor.

the thing is, if the damp contract was worth anything near that why wouldn't dallas make the move themselves? hell they actually have draft picks as well. any cp3 trade would require MULTIPLE draft picks. its impossible.

perhaps the HAMMER has made Henderson expendable though.

per cranston tweet:

Higgins on Dampier: "In talking to Michael, he wants to make sure that we explore all of our options before our next move" 19 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/mikecranston1/status/18469511578) via web

we definitely aren't done yet

[Ampsportsduo]

You misread my post. Dampier is a waste of a bench spot, not Ratliff. I like how he sparked us down the home stretch.

Sorry, was under the impression that clone meant copy, or similar or the same.

[ammofan]

I would forgive Okafor for all his past transgressions if this trade happens.

me too! lol

I always was thinking this year about how we would be better if we still had Mek. Can you imagine:

CP3
Jack
Crash
Tyrus
Mek

:D OMG

[PouncingBobcat]

I have a weird feeling that CP3 was the plan all along....either that or the reason MJ called off the TOR trade lat night is because he heard Bower was getting fired and we had a real shot at getting CP3 with him gone. I actually dotn know if i see CP3 and Mek for Diaw and Damp because I think the Hornets would want all young players or expirings. i can see something like Augustin, Henderson, Nazr, dampier for CP3, Okafor and someone else.

If that's what Jordan has up his sleeve then I'm all for it! He can make as many crazy trades and unload them as he likes! Just bring in a respectable starter. CP3 goes above and beyond that request!

[ammofan]

If that's what Jordan has up his sleeve then I'm all for it! He can make as many crazy trades and unload them as he likes! Just bring in a respectable starter. CP3 goes above and beyond that request!

Yea I mean I agree.....just get a good quality player.....

[PouncingBobcat]

Sorry, was under the impression that clone meant copy, or similar or the same.

Your analyzing these moves. I like that. We need more intelligent Bobcat fans. I like what I see from you guys.

[Ampsportsduo]

the thing is, if the damp contract was worth anything near that why wouldn't dallas make the move themselves? hell they actually have draft picks as well. any cp3 trade would require MULTIPLE draft picks. its impossible.

The Hornets are trying to shed a bigger contract like Posey or Peja in addition to Paul. The Mavs wouldn't be able to take both without upsetting their core. We can upset the core, because F it blow up this core if it means getting a sure fire MVP candidate and then start building around him.

[CatNation]

The Hornets are trying to shed a bigger contract like Posey or Peja in addition to Paul. The Mavs wouldn't be able to take both without upsetting their core. We can upset the core, because F it blow up this core if it means getting a sure fire MVP candidate and then start building around him.

Yeah but when it comes to CP3 I don't think the Mavericks would care much about losing anyone besides Dirk. Face it guys, if Damp could get something like CP3 we wouldn't have it for Tyson Chandler

[CarolinaBlue23]

If there is any way the Bobcats can get CP3 without having to send G-Force and Jackson to the Hornets, then I will be all for it. Give them every expiring contract we have and toss in D.J or/and Henderson. Like the Miami Heat, we can find players to fill out the roster.

[ohara831]

Yeah but when it comes to CP3 I don't think the Mavericks would care much about losing anyone besides Dirk. Face it guys, if Damp could get something like CP3 we wouldn't have it for Tyson Chandler

But dont forget the added benefit that we are in the East. That is more preferable to NO than trading with someone in the West with whom they must compete for a Playoff spot. And if we have to add in youth like Henderson, so be it. We have The Hammer back to be a backup SG. It would be worth it. - Hey, it may be just a dream, but dont take it from me just yet! At least let me think it possible for a few hours.

[SWedd523]

I'm not going to get into an argument with you because its not worth it. YOU SAID, If Chandler had played in less games but had better stats than Dampier then I would use that as backup to saying Chandler is worth more. I SAID, of course. Why would you value Dampier who plays for a better team rather than a beat up Chandler who, in our scenario, scored more? Think about it, ok?

I'm sitting here thinking about it and trying to figure out how it's not okay for me to use stats to say you're wrong, but if the hypothetical situation existed where they'd support you, then it's all fine and dandy.

They played in just about the same amount of games. Yet, Dampier put up better numbers across the board. Think about it. Better numbers = better player, right? Right. Not even mentioning the little factoid that he has a much more easily movable contract and it really isn't even worth discussing with you.

Dampier for Tyson worked out in our favor. That is indisputable.

[ammofan]

But the thing is, is that CP3 may want to play here. He maybe wouldnt have gone to Dallas and stayed.

[Ampsportsduo]

Yeah but when it comes to CP3 I don't think the Mavericks would care much about losing anyone besides Dirk. Face it guys, if Damp could get something like CP3 we wouldn't have it for Tyson Chandler

It's not just Damp. He's a part of it. Damp + Crash taking back two bigger contracts and cutting all the money is much more valuable than just Damp. When stars get traded it's often at a discounted rate when teams are having financial issues. As of today, no team is better suited to help the Hornets get immediate relief than the Bobcats.

[TheBeagle]

Losing Chris would be a big PR hit for NO, but maybe including DJ could help soften the blow for them, and sweeten the pot along with Erika, Crash, whoever?

Hometown boy for homestate boy? Me like :biggrin:

[CatNation]

It's not just Damp. He's a part of it. Damp + Crash taking back two bigger contracts and cutting all the money is much more valuable than just Damp. When stars get traded it's often at a discounted rate when teams are having financial issues. As of today, no team is better suited to help the Hornets get immediate relief than the Bobcats.

yeah but they'd want at LEAST 2 draft picks and we have none for the next 14 years. Henderson and Brown aren't enough young talent. Losing Wallace makes our already bad front court even more pathetic. Everyone from NO from Owner to president to coach to ballboy has said they will not trade Chris. AND even if by some miracle of God (MJ...same thing?) we got him all signs point to him bolting in 2 years. Theres so many reasons CP3 is an unrealistic option and its getting old really.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

Was it that foolish to consider trying to sign Shaq?

[Ampsportsduo]

yeah but they'd want at LEAST 2 draft picks and we have none for the next 14 years. Henderson and Brown aren't enough young talent. Losing Wallace makes our already bad front court even more pathetic. Everyone from NO from Owner to president to coach to ballboy has said they will not trade Chris. AND even if by some miracle of God (MJ...same thing?) we got him all signs point to him bolting in 2 years. Theres so many reasons CP3 is an unrealistic option and its getting old really.

It's getting old? Might want to pass that along to MJ, because CP's a guy they're targeting. I guess I'll just stop now.

[Proudiddy]

Yeah but when it comes to CP3 I don't think the Mavericks would care much about losing anyone besides Dirk. Face it guys, if Damp could get something like CP3 we wouldn't have it for Tyson Chandler

I already said I thought trading for Ellis/Beidrins is the most realistic option and I didn't think CP3 was likely at all.

But, for the sake of argument... Look at what the Mavs have beside Dirk. A lot of old guys. Only guy as a GM I could see the Hornets wanting was Roddy Beaubouis (sp?). Butler and Haywood are both a little expensive. I see Diaw on the same level as Butler and Haywood - his stats aren't up to the level of Butler, but I could see how some GMs can equate their value b/c of Diaw's skill set.

Everyone else on the Mavs is old, expensive, or not worth any kind of investment anyway. And from what I read, the Mavs were on the verge of getting Jefferson from the Wolves but wanted them to take Deshawn Stevenson and Matt Carroll's contract. They also used Damp to try to get Paul and it didn't work.

So, I'm under the impression that they may have tried to get them to take on Carroll and Stevenson as well. If they want to save money and add talent, we can give them Damp, Diaw, and maybe even Jack and Nazr... I don't think it's likely at all, but I do think we have a better chance of getting CP than the Mavs did.

Also, odd timing --- Bower was fired as GM today. Hmmm...

[G Wuh Wuh Wuh Wallace]

yeah but they'd want at LEAST 2 draft picks and we have none for the next 14 years. Henderson and Brown aren't enough young talent. Losing Wallace makes our already bad front court even more pathetic. Everyone from NO from Owner to president to coach to ballboy has said they will not trade Chris. AND even if by some miracle of God (MJ...same thing?) we got him all signs point to him bolting in 2 years. Theres so many reasons CP3 is an unrealistic option and its getting old really.


Trading Crash is not an option. This guy is our franchise player Gerald Wallace will not leave the Bobcats any time soon i don't care what deal u want to throw at me. The front office wouldn't do it. Jack and Gerald are safe, you guys need to start thinking more immediate. The front office wants to capitalize on our momentum last year that means we will keep the core Thomas, Jackson, Gerald. Dampiers contract is not a long term salary dump, it is a short term move to give us more flexibility RIGHT NOW. Something big is brewing for sure but any idea of trading away our core at this point for a superstar point guard is just ridiculous.

[Ampsportsduo]

I already said I thought trading for Ellis/Beidrins is the most realistic option and I didn't think CP3 was likely at all.

I'm an Ellis fan but I don't think he fits the team needs. Another backcourt guy that scores better getting to the rim at the expense of shooting. I worry about the team becoming similar to the 76ers where teams just pack it in and with no true PG, offense would become even more muddled.

Biedrins is not an LB-type guy. Soft as tissue paper and while there are things he does well, not sure they fit.

Don Nelson and LB couldn't play more divergent styles of offense and we'd have 60% of their starting lineup from a year ago?

I do appreciate thinking outside the box, though, more fun that way.

[CatNation]

The Hornets are parted ways with general manager Jeff Bower, according to team sources.
It appears to have been a mutual decision.


Lol what does that even mean?

Shinn: I think you should be relieved of your duties as GM

Bower: Yeah I agree, I suck. Alright lemme go pack up my stuff. Peace!

[Ampsportsduo]

Trading Crash is not an option. This guy is our franchise player Gerald Wallace will not leave the Bobcats any time soon i don't care what deal u want to throw at me. The front office wouldn't do it. Jack and Gerald are safe, you guys need to start thinking more immediate. The front office wants to capitalize on our momentum last year that means we will keep the core Thomas, Jackson, Gerald. Dampiers contract is not a long term salary dump, it is a short term move to give us more flexibility RIGHT NOW. Something big is brewing for sure but any idea of trading away our core at this point for a superstar point guard is just ridiculous.

Gerald's value will never be higher. In business, it's best to sell high. I wouldn't take table scraps for him, but given the opportunity to give this team it's first superstar/MVP candidate, you have to consider it.

[CatNation]

Trading Crash is not an option. This guy is our franchise player Gerald Wallace will not leave the Bobcats any time soon i don't care what deal u want to throw at me. The front office wouldn't do it. Jack and Gerald are safe, you guys need to start thinking more immediate. The front office wants to capitalize on our momentum last year that means we will keep the core Thomas, Jackson, Gerald. Dampiers contract is not a long term salary dump, it is a short term move to give us more flexibility RIGHT NOW. Something big is brewing for sure but any idea of trading away our core at this point for a superstar point guard is just ridiculous.

I wouldn't want to trade Crash either but he's on a great contract and NO would undoubtedly make him their first request along with Damp, probably Nazrs expiring deal, Hendo, Brown, DJ since we have no draft picks to offer, and we'd have to take back posey and peja probably. So we get CP3 with a gutted roster, probably get the 7th or 8th seed again for a couple years, he ditches us for New York and thats that. Sound fun?!

[TheBeagle]

Something big is brewing for sure but any idea of trading away our core at this point for a superstar point guard is just ridiculous. LOL Dismantling a "core" that was swept in the first round as a 7th seed to get a "superstar point guard" is ridiculous? In case you haven't seen, MJ has already began the dismantling of the "core" when Raymond wasn't re-signed.

And you think bringing Chris to the Cats wouldn't capitalize on last year's momentum? Dude, now that's ridiculous.

[Proudiddy]

I'm an Ellis fan but I don't think he fits the team needs. Another backcourt guy that scores better getting to the rim at the expense of shooting. I worry about the team becoming similar to the 76ers where teams just pack it in and with no true PG, offense would become even more muddled.

Biedrins is not an LB-type guy. Soft as tissue paper and while there are things he does well, not sure they fit.

Don Nelson and LB couldn't play more divergent styles of offense and we'd have 60% of their starting lineup from a year ago?

I do appreciate thinking outside the box, though, more fun that way.

I think it depends on who is surrounding Biedrins. I agree about Ellis, but he did improve his 3pt shooting IIRC this year. I'm not sure how he'd fit either. And when Biedrins was playing with those guys when they beat the Mavs in the 1st round, Biedrins did work. He was grimy, he stuck his nose in there, and he was dirty - then he'd come down and dunk on the Mavs and was cocky about it. I think he fed off those guys - JRich, Jack, BD, etc.

And honestly, who would you want starting at center? Erica, Nazr, or Biedrins if we had the opportunity?

And Ellis is explosive and has the ability to play both guard spots. Also, he's pretty adept at stealing the ball, so... There's a lot to think about there.

Out of all the trades people are throwing around, I said it was the most realistic b/c the pieces fit salary-wise, we have a history and connection with GS and their front office, and both guys have ability that LB likes.

Diaw is soft as toilet paper, yet LB raved about him as he disappeared from games and passed up open shots for 2 years.

[G Wuh Wuh Wuh Wallace]

Gerald's value will never be higher. In business, it's best to sell high. I wouldn't take table scraps for him, but given the opportunity to give this team it's first superstar/MVP candidate, you have to consider it.

But then what happens to the whole makeup of this team. Who snags all those rebounds? I agree chris paul would be absolutely amazing to have here. I think he can be had without destroying what we have been trying to build for years as a franchise, a true competitive core. Wallace has been the only stable in this franchise since it began. Do you think they will get him now ? CP3 is a catch but he would only be with us for two years on his contract. We would have to win fast or he is gone like that. Then we have no wallace and no potential MVP point guard. CP3 is a sexy option no doubt but i would hope they don't trade away the only true Bobcat to get em. There are better ways.

[Marvel]

LOL,MJ has already said he wants to keep our core intact which includes Crash and Jax.Although, if MJ could get a player who could come in and contribute in the ways Crash has, but on a lesser scale and get CP in return,i guess MJ might consider it.

[Marvel]

Diaw is soft as wet toilet paper, yet LB raved about him as he disappeared from games and passed up open shots for 2 years.

Wet,a lot softer than dry.

[dnbman]

LOL,MJ has already said he wants to keep our core intact which includes Crash and Jax.Although, if MJ could get a player who could come in and contribute in the ways Crash has, but on a lesser scale and get CP in return,i guess MJ might consider it.

Y'all. Paul is a game changer. Whatever any general manager might say about "keeping a core together" or not making moves, they will ALL consider the situation if a player like Paul is involved, save Utah.

I guarantee you that MJ would trade Wallace for Paul right now in a heart beat. No doubt.

[G Wuh Wuh Wuh Wallace]

LOL Dismantling a "core" that was swept in the first round as a 7th seed to get a "superstar point guard" is ridiculous? In case you haven't seen, MJ has already began the dismantling of the "core" when Raymond wasn't re-signed.

And you think bringing Chris to the Cats wouldn't capitalize on last year's momentum? Dude, now that's ridiculous.
Raymond didn't fit LB's scheme thats why we let him walk. As far as I am concerned that was the first time this franchise has ever made the playoffs and the first time we have ever had an All-Star. I want CP3 as much as you but if we gut the roster for him we will have to rebuild again and after 2 years CP3 is gone if we don't win enough for him. Not worth the risk, although the playoffs were disappointing we have the most momentum this franchise has ever had. Gutting the roster for a super star PG is not the way to keep us in the hunt. If he can be grabbed without destroying the identity of this team HELL YA CP3 is our man. But in the long run, destroying the only successful team in the franchises history is a big gamble for chris paul.

[Proudiddy]

Also appears that Rod Higgins is either being coy or we're dumb as bricks - says there is no immediate plans to move Damps contract through trade or releasing him. Said it's one of the most valuable commodities in the league and although there's not any plans right now, they will explore whatever options may present themselves. Doesn't sound very exciting.

[ammofan]

Also appears that Rod Higgins is either being coy or we're dumb as bricks - says there is no immediate plans to move Damps contract through trade or releasing him. Said it's one of the most valuable commodities in the league and although there's not any plans right now, they will explore whatever options may present themselves. Doesn't sound very exciting.

Why would he come out and say "Yea he's a huge trade piece...were gonna try to trade him...or if not trade were gonna release him. Thats a free 13 million!!"....

Most GM's dont reveal any plans....

[Proudiddy]

Why would he come out and say "Yea he's a huge trade piece...were gonna try to trade him...or if not trade were gonna release him. Thats a free 13 million!!"....

Most GM's dont reveal any plans....

Yeah, I get that, but he kind of did say that. He said it's great for the franchise but not for Damp, lol. Then he followed that up with, we're not looking to move him, but...

My bad forgot to post the link.
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/07/13/1560878/deal-with-dallas-gives-bobcats.html

[Ampsportsduo]

I wouldn't want to trade Crash either but he's on a great contract and NO would undoubtedly make him their first request along with Damp, probably Nazrs expiring deal, Hendo, Brown, DJ since we have no draft picks to offer, and we'd have to take back posey and peja probably. So we get CP3 with a gutted roster, probably get the 7th or 8th seed again for a couple years, he ditches us for New York and thats that. Sound fun?!

Pretty sure that MJ and the fellas wouldn't be targeting him if they thought he was a rental. CP's around the city a lot and has stated a desire to bring a winner home to NC. Having a superstar and a gutted roster worked out poorly for Miami, am I right? Come on guys, am I right?

The team would almost certainly have Jack and Tyrus (plus Diaw's trade rewards). That's a pretty damn good core if you add CP3. Plus, we have a certified MVP candidate PG that everyone loves to play with and who networks like crazy to help bring FAs in. Am I missing the downside somewhere?

[Keetch]

And so it was that that the Bobcats removed the Okafor contract from its books.

Salary dump.

[CatNation]

Having a superstar and a gutted roster worked out poorly for Miami, am I right? Come on guys, am I right?


And look how its gonna work out for New Orleans.

[BlockParty]

This is an overall good trade for the Bobcats. We get two people for our 2nd unit and $13M to use to improve our PG and Center positions. It's a relief to be able to say we are only spending $14-15M (Nazr and Diop) on our Center position...this morning that number was double.

Keep in mind this trade is all about dumping $13M...nothing more or less, it purges our roster of headaches for LB (Ajinca's lack of desire made him lose his appetite last summer in France) and frees up the training room (Chandler lived there...I still hate his quote about his return last season, "I'm waiting until I am 100% pain free before I do any workouts"...aren't ya glad Felton, Wallace and Jack didn't take the same approach).

Carroll makes sense for a couple of reasons, his contract isn't anywhere close to what it was when we traded for Diop (Carroll's declines each year, Diop's increases). Carroll is also a good 3 point/FT threat which we don't have on our roster at the moment. AND...along with the recent article from MJ about trying to do the right things in Charlotte, expect Carroll to do a lot of community relations things. Felton was probably the best figurehead in community last year and he's gone. I understand our desire to have a winning team, but Jordan admitted that Bob Johnson failed in community relations.

Funniest thing about all of this is the Toronto GM Colanglo being left at the alter after they leaked the Diaw/Chandler trade.

Good stuff, congrats Rod and MJ.

[Ampsportsduo]

And look how its gonna work out for New Orleans.

You mean the team that has a highly overpaid over-the-hill Peja, an undersized center, that signed James Posey to a big contract because he played well in one playoffs, and traded off several smaller pieces in an effort to stay under the luxury tax? They made poor decisions. I'd rather be in position to make those decisions than just be envious of the next team over.

My point stands.

[Ampsportsduo]

And so it was that that the Bobcats removed the Okafor contract from its books.

Salary dump.

Not necessarily. With the way they've wheeled and dealed I feel they have earned the benefit of the doubt for the time being.

I need more optimism out of you. This negativity is killing me.

[stun704]

You mean the team that has a highly overpaid over-the-hill Peja, an undersized center, that signed James Posey to a big contract because he played well in one playoffs, and traded off several smaller pieces in an effort to stay under the luxury tax? They made poor decisions. I'd rather be in position to make those decisions than just be envious of the next team over.

My point stands.
So honestly do you think we have a real shot at cp3 this off-season? :g:

[Chef]

My point exactly! :biggrin:

but in that deal our line up would be
tinsley/dj or vice versa/collins
jax, dunleavy,carroll, hendo
crash,jax, dunleavy, hendo, ups
tt,murphy,ups,etc, etc
murphy, tt, diop

all three indiana players expire. dunleavy off the bench would be gravy.

[ziggy]

So honestly do you think we have a real shot at cp3 :g:

From what I have heard. yes.

[CatNation]

overpaid over-the-hill


See DeSagana Diop



an undersized center


We have no effective starting centers on the roster AT ALL at the moment (even if you count Nazr he would be included in any paul trade for his expiring)




that signed James Posey to a big contract because he played well in one playoffs, and traded off several smaller pieces in an effort to stay under the luxury tax?


Now sub out James Posey for Tyrus Thomas, and see Alexis Ajinca.

[stun704]

From what I have heard. yes.
Nice, does the Bower firing have anything to do with it?

[Marvel]

Any comparisons to Damp < > TC can be seen here:http://basketballvalue.com/teamplayers.php?team=CHA&year=2009-2010

and here:http://basketballvalue.com/teamplayers.php?year=2009-2010&team=DAL

[Scottley Crue]

This is a nice trade for the Bobcats. I do believe our bench needed help, and Hammer and Najera bring needed pieces (shooting and energy, respectively). Ultimately, the big fish is Dampier's contract. There's plenty of ways that can be used, and even in the "worst-case" scenario, you can just waive him and take his massive contract off the books. That's not a bad position to be in. I'm sure they're looking at all possible options and with Dampier's contract have the firepower to really pull something off. I really like what they've done here.

[Ampsportsduo]

So honestly do you think we have a real shot at cp3 this off-season? :g:

Yes. Shinn's tight pursestrings have cost this city before and I wouldn't be shocked if it cost New Orleans. It makes no sense for them to move him now other than financial, so that's why I'd lean no if I had to pick. Gun to my head, I'd say it doesn't happen now, but I do believe in my heart of hearts that this team will make a strong run at CP3 before he signs his next contract. If the Cats use Dampier's contract to add pieces to make it more attractive, I'm for it even at the expense of short term limited success. Remember that the initial word was that MJ didn't like the trade and later it shifted to LB. My guess is MJ didn't want to have $10+ million tied up in a guy that would be a backup PG when he's trying to get CP. We will be a player for his services at some point you can take that to the bank.

[CatNation]

Nice, does the Bower firing have anything to do with it?

yeah actually it does

http://twitter.com/DarnellMayberry

Bower's recently willingness to trade Chris Paul created tensions between him and ownership, sources say. about 2 hours ago (http://twitter.com/DarnellMayberry/status/18470532077) via web


theres NO CHANCE!!!1!1!1!!!!!11 :mad:

[Chef]

Trading Crash is not an option. This guy is our franchise player Gerald Wallace will not leave the Bobcats any time soon i don't care what deal u want to throw at me. The front office wouldn't do it. Jack and Gerald are safe, you guys need to start thinking more immediate. The front office wants to capitalize on our momentum last year that means we will keep the core Thomas, Jackson, Gerald. Dampiers contract is not a long term salary dump, it is a short term move to give us more flexibility RIGHT NOW. Something big is brewing for sure but any idea of trading away our core at this point for a superstar point guard is just ridiculous.

agree on crash. no way they give up our first all-star, what good is it getting cp3 and surrounding him with tt and nobody? he will be just as unhappy and leave in 2012. but, if it is doable with NO with Jax, he is gone instantly.

[K1NGofAKR0N]

Yes. Shinn's tight pursestrings have cost this city before and I wouldn't be shocked if it cost New Orleans. It makes no sense for them to move him now other than financial, so that's why I'd lean no if I had to pick. Gun to my head, I'd say it doesn't happen now, but I do believe in my heart of hearts that this team will make a strong run at CP3 before he signs his next contract. If the Cats use Dampier's contract to add pieces to make it more attractive, I'm for it even at the expense of short term limited success. Remember that the initial word was that MJ didn't like the trade and later it shifted to LB. My guess is MJ didn't want to have $10+ million tied up in a guy that would be a backup PG when he's trying to get CP. We will be a player for his services at some point you can take that to the bank.

Can someone actually tell me where to read the CP3 rumors? And i always thoguht there was some rule about trading players right after you traded for them?

[Ampsportsduo]

CatNation your points fall short due to your unwillingness to compare contracts. Peja makes more than twice what Diop makes and has hamstrung the franchise for the last several years. We don't have a great center option right now, but so what, CP isn't on the team yet. Give me TT getting a comparable contract over James Posey any day. TT has plenty of room to grow, but Posey was a guy who'd won a ring and was looking to cash in on guaranteed money. The point is the Hornets had a superstar and made poor choices around him that cost them.

[x2pacalypse]

basically there is no way we are gonna get chris paul unless he himself specifically demands a trade

[Ampsportsduo]

Can someone actually tell me where to read the CP3 rumors? And i always thoguht there was some rule about trading players right after you traded for them?


You can't trade a player as part of a package for 60 days. You can trade them immediately if they are the only player going in the trade.

As for the rumors, CP has been tremendous about not selling out the organization. Today's story about him feeling lied to was the first negative thing I've heard come out of him. I'm going on what I've heard from people around the team.

[BlockParty]

So the balance of powers between Eastern and Western Conference:

Gone from West to East:
Boozer & Amare & Randolph

From East to West:
Lee and.....uhmmm Ajinca

The east will get better this year, but the Bobcats will still be the 5th or 6th seed. With Miami, Orlando, Boston ahead of us..and some mix of Milw, Chicago, Bobcats, and Atlanta filling in through the 7th spot.