What do we get for Dampier?

[Twan's Kin]

Dallas loved the fact that Dampier was one of their huge trade assets going into this off-season. Dallas fans called Dampier the Dampier Ultimate Sign-and-Trade or "DUST" Chip.

So my question is... who should we trade Dampier to and what do we get in return?

[CatNation]

I think a lot of us have that bad feeling that its just for the cap space..

[Cats4lif3]

From what I have heard cap relief is the backup plan

[GoBobs]

Couple of thoughts:

Andy V and Moe Williams

Troy Murphy and TJ Ford

Baron Davis and Chris Kaman

Shaq and AI

[CatNation]

Couple of thoughts:

Andy V and Moe Williams

Troy Murphy and TJ Ford

Baron Davis and Chris Kaman

Shaq and AI

I like where this is going

[ammofan]

Couple of thoughts:

Andy V and Moe Williams

Troy Murphy and TJ Ford

Baron Davis and Chris Kaman

the B-Diddy and Kaman would be awesome. Baron was loved here in Charlotte by me and many others back in the day....and Kaman is an all star. Although, I dont think the Clipps want to give up those two. They have a good starting lineup right now....

The most likely is Ford/Murphy because we have wanted Ford before.....

Im not sure if Cle would pull the trigger on the Var/Mo deal because the owner still really wants to win now. If I were him I would do it, but I think he still wants to see what his group can do without LeIdiot

[ammofan]

I like where this is going

haha.....I would be thrilled to get those two. I mean they arent the BEST at all and they a death waiting to happen if you combine their ages, but they can still contribute and sell tickets big time. I imagine many ppl would buy season tix if they found out Shaq/AI were coming to play with Gerald/Jack

[Chef]

haha.....I would be thrilled to get those two. I mean they arent the BEST at all and they a death waiting to happen if you combine their ages, but they can still contribute and sell tickets big time. I imagine many ppl would buy season tix if they found out Shaq/AI were coming to play with Gerald/Jack

yeah this would be the best thing ever. if it were 2002.

[ND22]

Why the hell would the Clippers trade Chris Kaman and Baron Davis? No the more likely scenario is giving us Davis and DeAndre Jordan. :facepalm:

[spectre]

I'd be shocked if we use Damp for anything other than a dump.

Haven't crunched numbers, but I read elsewhere that if we waive him we'd be like 4 million under the cap? That's pretty damn good for a team bumping up against the LT just a week ago.

Should have gave Felton that 2 year deal if we were going to do the Dallas trade. He's still the best option barring some great trade (that our FO can never seem to do).

[jdsingar]

I'd be shocked if we use Damp for anything other than a dump.

Haven't crunched numbers, but I read elsewhere that if we waive him we'd be like 4 million under the cap? That's pretty damn good for a team bumping up against the LT just a week ago.

Should have gave Felton that 2 year deal if we were going to do the Dallas trade. He's still the best option barring some great trade (that our FO can never seem to do).

I fully agree. My only concern after cutting Damp: wtf do we have? Lost a starting PG and Center. Something HAS to be brewing.

I'm down for Shaq and AI though. Nostalgia will run wild at TWC arena. It's been 9 years since they squared off in the finals. Crazy stuff.

[SirBobcat]

Should have gave Felton that 2 year deal if we were going to do the Dallas trade. He's still the best option barring some great trade (that our FO can never seem to do).

That's hindsight my friend. I'm sure the Bobcats didn't know Dallas was going to trade with them when the Bobcats were negotiating with Felton.

[amour217]

Regardless we get flexibility of SOME sort with Dampier...we can either deal him for something we need or just let him go and have some breathing room financially. It's a good thing, IMO.

Now, if we don't address our PG situation, that'll be pretty wack

[SirBobcat]

I hope we can pull something big off.

[dav7z]

I think this could be realistic,
Out = Damp +Diaw+ Brown
In = OK50,+ Posey+ Collison+ Thorton
In= 20 milion Out 23 milion

Collison, DJ
JAX, Thorton, Henderson
Wallace, Posey, Carroll
TT, Nigera
OK50, Nazz , Diop

We siting at 71 milion now if we made this move we would be siting at or around 68 milion just under the luxery tax.

They do this to dump Posey and OK . We do this to pick up two young studs in Collison and Thorton

Thoughts

[ohara831]

I think this could be realistic,
Out = Damp +Diaw+ Brown
In = OK50,+ Posey+ Collison+ Thorton
In= 20 milion Out 23 milion

Collison, DJ
JAX, Thorton, Henderson
Wallace, Posey, Carroll
TT, Nigera
OK50, Nazz , Diop

We siting at 71 milion now if we made this move we would be siting at or around 68 milion just under the luxery tax.

They do this to dump Posey and OK . We do this to pick up two young studs in Collison and Thorton

Thoughts

I would say that the team above would be able to challenge Orlando and Miami. Maybe not quite as good, but still right there to challenge them.

[ChuckHayes69]

I think this could be realistic,
Out = Damp +Diaw+ Brown
In = OK50,+ Posey+ Collison+ Thorton
In= 20 milion Out 23 milion

Collison, DJ
JAX, Thorton, Henderson
Wallace, Posey, Carroll
TT, Nigera
OK50, Nazz , Diop

We siting at 71 milion now if we made this move we would be siting at or around 68 milion just under the luxery tax.

They do this to dump Posey and OK . We do this to pick up two young studs in Collison and Thorton

Thoughts

I don't think we'd take on those contracts unless Paul was coming with them. I also think they would rather trade paul than their 2 young players that they could build around after they blow up their roster. Having said that, I'd consider that deal maybe, but I don't know...that gives us a lot of bad contracts again and that's really frustrating.

[jdsingar]

I think this could be realistic,
Out = Damp +Diaw+ Brown
In = OK50,+ Posey+ Collison+ Thorton
In= 20 milion Out 23 milion

Collison, DJ
JAX, Thorton, Henderson
Wallace, Posey, Carroll
TT, Nigera
OK50, Nazz , Diop

We siting at 71 milion now if we made this move we would be siting at or around 68 milion just under the luxery tax.

They do this to dump Posey and OK . We do this to pick up two young studs in Collison and Thorton

Thoughts

I like that trade, though I don't see how much they benefit by taking on Diaw's deal. I suppose they would have to take something, though. The only problem with that deal is that I think we realized Okafor wasn't the answer at Center. His salary is crippling as well.

[ChuckHayes69]

I like that trade, though I don't see how much they benefit by taking on Diaw's deal. I suppose they would have to take something, though. The only problem with that deal is that I think we realized Okafor wasn't the answer at Center. His salary is crippling as well.


Wow I didn't see Diaw was going there too...I'd sign off on that then, although that makes me think even more that they wouldn't do it.

[Demon DeaCat]

Couple of thoughts:

Andy V and Moe Williams

Troy Murphy and TJ Ford

Baron Davis and Chris Kaman

Shaq and AI

C is the obvious winner, but since I don't think that's realistic I'd go with D. Even in his diminished state, Shaq is still as good, if not better than any center we've ever had. As for PG, anyone we'd get is likely only going to be a band-aid anyway. It doesn't seem to make sense to trade for Calderon or Sessions and hitch ourselves to those guys for multiple years if they aren't what we really want. We could probably trade for Ford, but he'd just be a one year acquisition, and again, not the ideal guy for the position. That being the case, I'd just as soon have AI.

So provided we can't pull the major trade to acquire an impact player for Dampier, I'd try to sign Shaq with our MLE, offer AI a 1-year, non-guaranteed, minimum deal, and then waive Dampier to get back under the tax.

Also, bringing in Shaq allows us to still move Nazr at the trade deadline if need be. He's our best remaining tradeable asset (assuming Dampier gets waived), but unless we get another C, we really can't afford to trade him.

[Chef]

I don't think we'd take on those contracts unless Paul was coming with them. I also think they would rather trade paul than their 2 young players that they could build around after they blow up their roster. Having said that, I'd consider that deal maybe, but I don't know...that gives us a lot of bad contracts again and that's really frustrating.

no cp3 then no oak. collison and posey, but that still leaves us short at center.

[dav7z]

I like that trade, though I don't see how much they benefit by taking on Diaw's deal. I suppose they would have to take something, though. The only problem with that deal is that I think we realized Okafor wasn't the answer at Center. His salary is crippling as well.

We would be taking on OK5O and Posey. Though OK is a stedy 12 -10 player . Hes far from trash.

Collison is a perfect fit and by keeping cp3 and dumpimg ok50 looks like they just dumping salery and keeping thair star. With the players around him Collison could average 15 and 9


Thorton a starter in his own rights plays the Two , JAX and Wallace both can cut playing time hear . Thorton could get you 14 on a average in this role . Could be a long term starter for us.

Posey is just two years like Diaw , But we would have to take some bad too.

They all so drop tons leaving flexability for the new owners. With a core of West , CP3 , Diaw ,Brown , and expirings. Its a fresh start with a super star.

[Chef]

C is the obvious winner, but since I don't think that's realistic I'd go with D. Even in his diminished state, Shaq is still as good, if not better than any center we've ever had. As for PG, anyone we'd get is likely only going to be a band-aid anyway. It doesn't seem to make sense to trade for Calderon or Sessions and hitch ourselves to those guys for multiple years if they aren't what we really want. We could probably trade for Ford, but he'd just be a one year acquisition, and again, not the ideal guy for the position. That being the case, I'd just as soon have AI.

So provided we can't pull the major trade to acquire an impact player for Dampier, I'd try to sign Shaq with our MLE, offer AI a 1-year, non-guaranteed, minimum deal, and then waive Dampier to get back under the tax.

Also, bringing in Shaq allows us to still move Nazr at the trade deadline if need be. He's our best remaining tradeable asset (assuming Dampier gets waived), but unless we get another C, we really can't afford to trade him.

i'd take the indiana deal. i really like how murphy can fit into what we have. he balances tt perfectly. ford isn't worth close to 8.5 but he can play. and a hell of a lot better than ai at this point. ai is off the reservation. the best part, if it isn't working, it is 19+ in expirings.

[Cats4lif3]

With NOH's GM gone I think cp3 is a little more expandable then collinson. They love him! And with cp3 talking about forming his own triple threat.... I can see NOH try to get something out of him now especiallly if it saves them money since they are trying to sell the team. I think nazr damp and a 1st could get us cp3 and ok

[dav7z]

i'd take the indiana deal. i really like how murphy can fit into what we have. he balances tt perfectly. ford isn't worth close to 8.5 but he can play. and a hell of a lot better than ai at this point. ai is off the reservation. the best part, if it isn't working, it is 19+ in expirings.

How does the Murphy deal get us under the Luxery Tax ?

[dav7z]

With NOH's GM gone I think cp3 is a little more expandable then collinson. They love him! And with cp3 talking about forming his own triple threat.... I can see NOH try to get something out of him now especiallly if it saves them money since they are trying to sell the team. I think nazr damp and a 1st could get us cp3 and ok


Nazz + Damp is 19 milion
CP3 and OK0 24 milion
that puts us at 76 milion 6 milion over the Lux Tax . I can't see that happen

[murphman]

Even though there are rumors that Chris Paul is on the market I really doubt we will get him. NO is going to want a lot and we don't have as good of an offer as a few other teams. NO primarly would want cap space and draft picks. A team like NY, Minny or Sacramento can offer them their 1st round picks in 2011 & 2013, take on another contract off NO's hands (like Posey) and ship them back a good, young recently drafted player or two to help build around or add depth (like Terke Evens (SAC), Jonny Flynn (Minny), rights to Rubio (Minny), Danilo Gallinari (NY), etc). In that example NO gives away 21.4 million in salaries & only takes back 2-6 million in salaries, still maintain a starting 5 on the roster, save a ton of money and be well below the cap for this season and really low to start next year, and gets two 1st round picks in 2 of the next three drafts. Plus each of those other three teams can do that and still be below the luxury tax because they have so much space right now.

I think if NO really is willing to give up on Paul, they will be wanting to have super low salaries as the top priority so taking on high contracts is not really a want for them right now (meaning Jax or Crash). Thus the best I think we can offer is Damps contract, DJ & maybe Henderson & UPS if they want them, and our 1st round picks in 2014 & 2016 (our 2012 is already gone). We could also take on Posey's contract but that would put our salary in the low to mid 70's with still no backup PG or a 3rd center and to bring two more FA vets to fill those roles would move our salary above 75 million. We could beg and plead for Toronto to use thier trade exception to take Diaw off our hands but I don't think they like us a whole lot now and I'm sure they will want more in the deal (like us taking back a lesser contract and getting a 2nd round pick or two). Thus we would still probably be well into the luxury tax for this season and toying with it next season.

For NO, we would not look as enticing as other potential trade partners.

And for us, in the above example we get a 4some of Paul, Jax, Crash and TT (and probably Larry Brown) for two seasons and then probably all of them will be gone by the summer of 2012 except TT (free agency, retired, opted out, whatever). Then, in June 2012, we will have no 1st round draft picks in 3 of the next 5 drafts and perhaps one less 2nd rounder or two, no real superstars on the team (unless we hit a home run in the 2011 draft or get really lucky in some other trade), no coach and an unsure future. Plus for these two "great seasons" that we will have mortgaged the farm to get, we still may only be tied with (or slighly behind) Orlando as the 2nd best team in the division & moved our playoff seeding from a 7th to a 4th or 5th.

Damn, I just depressed myself with a hypothetical that is unlikely to happen. I need a happy pill.

[spectre]

That's hindsight my friend. I'm sure the Bobcats didn't know Dallas was going to trade with them when the Bobcats were negotiating with Felton.

True enough. I do think that there were other deals out there to get relief however...but at any rate it appears the FO has felt all along that they could get an "upgrade" over Felton. Until it all plays out it's hard to judge them one way or the other.

The Caleron deal really put the scare in me though.

Like I said in another thread...if we trade Damp instead of waiving him that almost surely means we're paying the tax. Would any of those ideas be worthy of that in Jordan's eyes?

[vinnie_paz]

Even though there are rumors that Chris Paul is on the market I really doubt we will get him. NO is going to want a lot and we don't have as good of an offer as a few other teams. NO primarly would want cap space and draft picks. A team like NY, Minny or Sacramento can offer them their 1st round picks in 2011 & 2013, take on another contract off NO's hands (like Posey) and ship them back a good, young recently drafted player or two to help build around or add depth (like Terke Evens (SAC), Jonny Flynn (Minny), rights to Rubio (Minny), Danilo Gallinari (NY), etc). In that example NO gives away 21.4 million in salaries & only takes back 2-6 million in salaries, still maintain a starting 5 on the roster, save a ton of money and be well below the cap for this season and really low to start next year, and gets two 1st round picks in 2 of the next three drafts. Plus each of those other three teams can do that and still be below the luxury tax because they have so much space right now.

I think if NO really is willing to give up on Paul, they will be wanting to have super low salaries as the top priority so taking on high contracts is not really a want for them right now (meaning Jax or Crash). Thus the best I think we can offer is Damps contract, DJ & maybe Henderson & UPS if they want them, and our 1st round picks in 2014 & 2016 (our 2012 is already gone). We could also take on Posey's contract but that would put our salary in the low to mid 70's with still no backup PG or a 3rd center and to bring two more FA vets to fill those roles would move our salary above 75 million. We could beg and plead for Toronto to use thier trade exception to take Diaw off our hands but I don't think they like us a whole lot now and I'm sure they will want more in the deal (like us taking back a lesser contract and getting a 2nd round pick or two). Thus we would still probably be well into the luxury tax for this season and toying with it next season.

For NO, we would not look as enticing as other potential trade partners.

And for us, in the above example we get a 4some of Paul, Jax, Crash and TT (and probably Larry Brown) for two seasons and then probably all of them will be gone by the summer of 2012 except TT (free agency, retired, opted out, whatever). Then, in June 2012, we will have no 1st round draft picks in 3 of the next 5 drafts and perhaps one less 2nd rounder or two, no real superstars on the team (unless we hit a home run in the 2011 draft or get really lucky in some other trade), no coach and an unsure future. Plus for these two "great seasons" that we will have mortgaged the farm to get, we still may only be tied with (or slighly behind) Orlando as the 2nd best team in the division & moved our playoff seeding from a 7th to a 4th or 5th.

Damn, I just depressed myself with a hypothetical that is unlikely to happen. I need a happy pill.

great post ! cleared up a lot while crushing many of my dreams lol but very informative at the same time...

[spectre]

When exactly does Cinderella turn back into the dirty cleaning lady (when does Damp become fully guaranteed?)?

[rsxnova]

Do you guys think Crash will be looking for a max deal when he opts out?

[x2pacalypse]

i really doubt it...i can see him getting close but i think he knows he can't justify getting paid the same as lebron/wade etc

[rsxnova]

i really doubt it...i can see him getting close but i think he knows he can't justify getting paid the same as lebron/wade etc

But maybe the same as JJ?

[teej]

But maybe the same as JJ?

Exactly.

The fact that JJ is getting paid more than Wade is why it'll be different, though the CBA things will change a lot. If they go hard cap like the NFL, there won't be a max, which would make things interesting to say the least.

But I doubt Crash would ask for the max, but it'd be a big number.

[Black]

JJ's deal was also the product of the 2010 offseason. Teams were going to offer him max money, so ATL had to match. Teams are not going to offer Gerald max money, so we wont have to either.

[CatNation]

oh god the thought of giving Crash a max contract at 29-30 years old makes me nauseous....

[rsxnova]

oh god the thought of giving Crash a max contract at 29-30 years old makes me nauseous....

On the bright side, Gerald seems to be the kind of player that would accept an extension over the drama.

[BlockParty]

When exactly does Cinderella turn back into the dirty cleaning lady (when does Damp become fully guaranteed?)?

October 30th or just prior to 1st game, whichever is sooner...so plenty of time to keep us wondering, but also plenty of time for other teams to have star players get hurt in training camp and motivate them to take Damp's contract for relief.

Example...assuming NOH don't accept any of the trade offers for CP3 and are intent on making the best out of their situation, if one of his compliments (West, Posey, Oakafor) go down in training camp with a season ending injury, they will pack their bags and have a fire sale. CP3's value is at it's greatest right now, if something happens that indicates it'd be impossible for them to be competitive this upcoming year, he becomes that much more disgruntled and they lose leverage.

Hopefully NY doesn't give up the farm for him (that could conceivably put two former Bobcats with high paying contracts sitting on the bench in NY)....assuming Oakafor's contract is a mandate for a CP3 trade.

[spectre]

October 30th or just prior to 1st game, whichever is sooner...so plenty of time to keep us wondering, but also plenty of time for other teams to have star players get hurt in training camp and motivate them to take Damp's contract for relief.

Example...assuming NOH don't accept any of the trade offers for CP3 and are intent on making the best out of their situation, if one of his compliments (West, Posey, Oakafor) go down in training camp with a season ending injury, they will pack their bags and have a fire sale. CP3's value is at it's greatest right now, if something happens that indicates it'd be impossible for them to be competitive this upcoming year, he becomes that much more disgruntled and they lose leverage.

Hopefully NY doesn't give up the farm for him (that could conceivably put two former Bobcats with high paying contracts sitting on the bench in NY)....assuming Oakafor's contract is a mandate for a CP3 trade.

Thanks BlockParty!

The longer it draws on the more pissed Damp liable to be. Can't really blame him either as his options for a better payday keep dropping by the day.

[K1NGofAKR0N]

trade dampier and matt carrol to the warriors for biedrens. they hav a center in david lee and wud probaly like to get rid of his contract

[BRNC]

I think we have to start accepting the fact that NO may indeed keep CP3 and Dampiers' contract is out best chance to get an upgrade at PG before the season starts...but if not CP3 who does everyone (realistically) want to go after...A. Miller from Portland?

[spectre]

The trick would be in getting the deal to work while keeping ourselves under the LT.

[BRNC]

If we deal with a team under the cap (T'wolves...maybe Wizards) not a problem...Hinrich would be an option from the Wizards...but other teams under may not offer a real option...even with the best (Dampier) contract for trades it is still going to be tough...

[dvdbumpus]

If we deal with a team under the cap (T'wolves...maybe Wizards) not a problem...Hinrich would be an option from the Wizards...but other teams under may not offer a real option...even with the best (Dampier) contract for trades it is still going to be tough...

So, what about Hinrich and Nick Young? Would that be an option? Hell, I'll take Hilton Armstrong in a trade so there's at least a big.

We'll probably end up making a trade for Ty Lawson and Nene....or to the Magic for Marcin Gortat and Brandon Bass. Some trade that'll tie us up financially...

[rsxnova]

So, what about Hinrich and Nick Young? Would that be an option? Hell, I'll take Hilton Armstrong in a trade so there's at least a big.

We'll probably end up making a trade for Ty Lawson and Nene....or to the Magic for Marcin Gortat and Brandon Bass. Some trade that'll tie us up financially...

Good idea but there is no way we go over the lux tax for Gortat and Bass.

[Veteran_Picksetter]

So, what about Hinrich and Nick Young? Would that be an option? Hell, I'll take Hilton Armstrong in a trade so there's at least a big.

We'll probably end up making a trade for Ty Lawson and Nene....or to the Magic for Marcin Gortat and Brandon Bass. Some trade that'll tie us up financially...

Depending on the trade, of course, I would love to see what LB could do with Nick Young. 7-foot wingspan and a 40-ish vertical--are you kidding me?

[mrtarheel]

We get CP3 and EEmeka OOOkafor. See new post Just Might Happen for links.