*The Olive branch back* Some food for thought... across the entire fanbase

[jamestheaussie]

I will be posting this both here for the RoF crew, and over at Bobcats Planet so I can here from people perhaps stuck in the 24hr waiting period, or not wanting to sign up.

I want to predicate this thread by saying that this is based on nothing new... so don't read between any lines.

I want everyone to think for a second that I am completely wrong about the rumors circulating and the Erick Dampier trade was for nothing more than a cap dump to get closer to the salary cap. Now that you have that in mind try and answer the following questions for me:

1. If the organization's primary concern is saving money and being close to the cap why do you give Tyrus Thomas $12.5 million in the first year of his contract? Wouldn't it make far more sense to back load it so the bulk of the money comes when Diaw/Nazr and then Diop are off the books?

2. If the primary concern is money, why do you sign Shaun Livingston for over $3 million per year, rather than sign an undrafted rookie for 1/5th of that?

3. How does this scenario make sense? Trade Chandler and Ajinca ($14 million) for Dampier, Najera and Carroll ($20.3 million)... even if you cut Dampier outright you only save $7 million. If $7 million is so important to your franchise, refer to point 2.

4. Why do point three when the following deal was ready to go: Diaw and Chandler ($21 million) for Calderon and Evans ($14 million)? Still the same $7 million saving as in point 3, but you don't need to pay for Livingston in point 2, and you keep your depth at C. In fact, you save more... because after the 2010 season another $5 million falls off from Evans.

5. If the justification for signing Livingston as an FA and Tyrus Thomas to an extension is to give Larry Brown the pieces he needs, how does one justify leaving him with Nazr and Diop at center? Why would he sign off on that trade?

I welcome your answers.

[x2pacalypse]

is that the brawny man on crystal meth?

i see what you are saying, and most people see these facts, but a lot of the flak we are getting is based off that these ARE bogus things the FO is doing, but many see the FO as being just that weird and crazy so its not too farfetched

[teej]

Black and WvsMC, not necessary. James, it makes sense, but I think everyone is just upset at how things went down with the rumors.

[jamestheaussie]

I definitely see what you're saying, but how much of that is just national reflection on MJ from the Kwame Brown days?

Trust me, he's had his moments for the Bobcats (Carroll's extension, then the Diop trade) but since Larry Brown came aboard the only thing I can really condemn the front office for is passing on Brook Lopez to take Deej... and we're still not really sure how that pans out.

[jamestheaussie]

Black and WvsMC, not necessary. James, it makes sense, but I think everyone is just upset at how things went down with the rumors.

I'm sorry people are upset, but I still stand by what I have been told directly.

At this point, I still have to be guarded but come tomorrow night or Saturday morning I can be an open book and be grilled as much as people like.

[teej]

I'm sorry people are upset, but I still stand by what I have been told directly.

At this point, I still have to be guarded but come tomorrow night or Saturday morning I can be an open book and be grilled as much as people like.

You have every right to stand by it. Just understand that there are going to be a lot of skeptics, and most people only believe what's written on Yahoo, ESPN, Fox, etc. Right or wrong, RoF has little credibility (same for BCP) and while I certainly apologive on behalf of our members, perhaps some prudence is in order on all parts.

[ALong13]

My only response to the questions is that I don't believe the Cats are looking to shed money now, or even in the future, but the goal is to stay away from the tax and to gain flexibility in the future. The cats knew they were losing Felton this year and they knew they were going to lock up TT. I don't think they expect to make a big splash this year, however I believe Tyrus was given 12.5 million this year and Livingston was signed is because Livingston was a need, Thomas however was our main gain. NJ was reportedly going to offer a front loaded contract that would put the Cats in the tax, they avoided it by giving him a front loaded contract, but small enough to fill up to the tax without going over. This allowed them to make sure they didn't spend more money than they had to by saving tax charges, however it also saves them money in the future as now Thomas's contract goes down in later years allowing you more flexibility in the future. The Bobcats were looking to save money and gain flexibility, maybe not right now, but in the future for sure. Thomas contract allows more money to be used in the future (flexibility) and Dampiers contract allows more money to be saved now (by avoiding the tax when we terminate his contract). I may be completely wrong, but this is my opinion of why the Cats have done what they have done recently.

[jamestheaussie]

You have every right to stand by it. Just understand that there are going to be a lot of skeptics, and most people only believe what's written on Yahoo, ESPN, Fox, etc. Right or wrong, RoF has little credibility (same for BCP) and while I certainly apologive on behalf of our members, perhaps some prudence is in order on all parts.

I said it on RoF, and I'll say it here; my biggest mistake throughout this process was being out of my league. My source in the organization has fed me small fish now and then, stuff not even really worth blogging. I knew about the Nazr trade, and had heard about the Larry Hughes signing early... but nothing like this. My other source (who I got the majority of my information from) hardly ever has anything for me, because the Bobcats do very little to make noise nationally.

I got a little caught up, and completely didn't assess the ramifications of reporting every single tiny update I received. I also wholly underestimated the power of everyone reconnecting to RoF from outside of that blog's community.

I can assure you, I wont make the same mistakes again in my reporting... nor will I play the 'cryptic game' because in hindsight I see how frustrating that is.

[ALong13]

By the way my answers were a serious opinion to the questions as I think this was a good discussion question, my answer is not meant to be an sarcastic backlash over the events that have transpired. Just wanted you to know. I believe people overreacted the last few days and I apologize for them. BCP is a great place to discuss Bobcats basketball, but with past people and events that have happened on board we sometimes overreact a bit. So I apologize for that.

[Cats4lif3]

Thanks for all the inside stuff James you've made this week great and I believe your telling the truth about what you know and I hope it pulls through or a good backup plan does! No matter what GO BOBCATS!!!!!

[jamestheaussie]

By the way my answers were a serious opinion to the questions as I think this was a good discussion question, my answer is not meant to be an sarcastic backlash over the events that have transpired. Just wanted you to know. I believe people overreacted the last few days and I apologize for them. BCP is a great place to discuss Bobcats basketball, but with past people and events that have happened on board we sometimes overreact a bit. So I apologize for that.

I think it was a great answer. I just question what flexibility is gained by not pulling the trigger on the Raptors' deal?

You're paying Carroll, Najera and Livingston a combined $10 million in 2011-12, whereas you could be paying just Calderon $9.78. Even if you look two years down the road it's $7 million for Carroll and Livingston vs. $10.5 mil for Calderon.

Why would $3.5 million (a tiny sum in the NBA) be so important in 2012-13?

[ziggy]

James, so what you're saying is that if something big is likely to happen that it'll happen by Saturday, Right?

If it doesn't happen by then should we assume that the deal fell apart and that nothing is going to happen?

[Cats4lif3]

Is that the year cp3 contract expire

[jamestheaussie]

James, so what you're saying is that if something big is likely to happen that it'll happen by Saturday, Right?

If it doesn't happen by then should we assume that the deal fell apart and that nothing is going to happen?

That's correct. I was told that all of the negotiations needed to be wrapped up by Friday night (Vegas time). It could have happened any time between Monday and Friday, but I was specifically told 'by the end of the week'.

This is only the time frame for the deal I was told about. It should not be assumed that if Friday comes and goes we'll be cutting Dampier for cap relief, because I know there are several other backup plans which could take weeks to come to fruition (I only know of 1 of these backup plans).

[CatNation]

Because Matt Carroll is a lot cooler than Reggie Evans

[ammofan]

Hey James, I really have enjoyed reading all of your stuff. People here at BCP may just be mad at you or be skeptical because we had this guy called "Ballwhore" who tried to say he had sources or whatever, here on BCP. he wasnt well liked so members here have a hard time believing any rumors that arent official.

But I believe you and I really wish you would tell us ANYTHING you hear. I dont see anything wrong with it at all.

[GoBobs]

I totally think the Dampier move was to set up a larger trade. However to answer question 1, I think we had to offer Tyrus the front loaded deal because the Nets were going to. With a lockout coming everyone would rather get paid big this year. It might hurt now but will pay off down the road.

I think a CP3 deal is totally plausible if we are willing to give up Wallace. Personally I wouldn't trade Wallace for anything because I love the guy. I also don't want to become the Hornets 2.0, CP3 and a bunch of scrubs.

I think the best deal we should offer is Damp/Nazr/Gerald Henderson/Brown/DJ/Edwardo + Future first for CP3/Oak/Posey. If split into two deals the salaries match and Damp can be traded by himself to satisfy league rules.

As for the Bobcats past trades I think we generally lose trades. Not by a lot but enough to piss me off. Here are a few examples:

Diop for Carrol - We give up a front loaded contract and take on a back loaded contract.

J-Rich, Dudley, 2nd for Diaw, Bell - We shouldn't have had to throw in Dudley and a 2nd. That tilts the trade in the Suns favor.

Oak for Chandler - looks better after Oak had a terrible year, but we could have gotten more for him. Even if it was just an expiring or a late first round pick form OKC that would have been better then an over paid injury prone player.

Chandler, Ajinca for Damp, Edwardo, Carroll - Did Carrol and Ajinca really need to be in there to make this deal work? :facepalm:

[SWedd523]

1. If the organization's primary concern is saving money and being close to the cap why do you give Tyrus Thomas $12.5 million in the first year of his contract? Wouldn't it make far more sense to back load it so the bulk of the money comes when Diaw/Nazr and then Diop are off the books?

The front loaded deal was because he was getting offers from other teams (Suns, Nets) and they felt that was the only way to keep him on the team. As for the $12mil number, the entire amount isn't counted towards the cap, the signing bonus is spread out among the entirety of the contract.


2. If the primary concern is money, why do you sign Shaun Livingston for over $3 million per year, rather than sign an undrafted rookie for 1/5th of that?

1. They did it to match up with Miami. Livingston guards Miller, Jack guards Wade, Crash guards LeBron, Tyrus guards Bosh.

2. They were unimpressed with the Summer League guys. The only person that remotely showed he could compete was Collins, and that was just barely.

3. Livingston played very well towards the end of last year and has finally shown that he can be an at least average PG in the league. He posted numbers just as good as Felton did last year and that talent at $3.5 is a steal.


3. How does this scenario make sense? Trade Chandler and Ajinca ($14 million) for Dampier, Najera and Carroll ($20.3 million)... even if you cut Dampier outright you only save $7 million. If $7 million is so important to your franchise, refer to point 2.

Simple, LB gave a big "Hell no!" to Calderon because he plays defense like a bull fighter, just lets the opponent run right through. Najera and Evans are similar and Carroll is a good zone buster and instantly becomes our best outside shooter.


4. Why do point three when the following deal was ready to go: Diaw and Chandler ($21 million) for Calderon and Evans ($14 million)? Still the same $7 million saving as in point 3, but you don't need to pay for Livingston in point 2, and you keep your depth at C. In fact, you save more... because after the 2010 season another $5 million falls off from Evans.

See response to point 3


5. If the justification for signing Livingston as an FA and Tyrus Thomas to an extension is to give Larry Brown the pieces he needs, how does one justify leaving him with Nazr and Diop at center? Why would he sign off on that trade?

Nazr was our best Center last year, followed closely behind by the Zombie. Tyson was way too overpaid to provide nothing but defense, a role that Diop can fulfill.






Nobody is disputing the fact that a trade is coming. If history is any indication, LB is going to make at least two more trades before all is said and done. Everybody will agree that something is in the works. The only issue that some guys have had is that Ourday apparently posted that the trade was "done" and to check ESPN because Hollinger was in on it. It's simply in bad form to make a claim like that and frankly, a bit of backlash should be expected--especially from a fanbase desperate to be contenders. It made it worse to post the story afterwards claiming innocence and trying to paint the other parties in a bad light. Simply put, it was wrong to claim a deal was completed, but it was also wrong to lambast the guy with nasty remarks. Neither party wins in a situation like that, it's best to just let it go and move on from it. Hopefully that's what we can do here.

Had "the claim" not been made, the expectations wouldn't have been so high that the angry posters made their remarks. That doesn't excuse the people sending hate mail, and I have personally/publicly reprimanded the responsible parties, so hopefully it won't happen again. I thoroughly enjoy BCP and don't want the good reputation that we have to be tarnished.

We definitely appreciate whatever information you have alluded to (as it actually corroborates some tidbits I've received from higher ups) and look forward to much more of it to come in the future. Hopefully you stick around and become an active member of BCP because you seem to have a high reputation from RoF. Quality posters are always welcome. Keep the rumors and sources coming, they help pass this unbearably long offseason! :


:cheers1:

[nazsquad]

I like the hype and anticipation surrounding your postings..... but, I question your "sources." The only people in the Bobcats organization that know which deals are coming through and being offered are MJ, Higgins, and Fred. Other people who work for the Bobcats do not get this information, and are left looking at the same websites everyone else does.

So if you are tight with Fred, Rod or MJ, then what are doing on Bobcats Planet.

There are deals out there that make sense to me. CP3, Clipper deals, etc. But it is all speculation

[teej]

I like the hype and anticipation surrounding your postings..... but, I question your "sources." The only people in the Bobcats organization that know which deals are coming through and being offered are MJ, Higgins, and Fred. Other people who work for the Bobcats do not get this information, and are left looking at the same websites everyone else does.

So if you are tight with Fred, Rod or MJ, then what are doing on Bobcats Planet.

There are deals out there that make sense to me. CP3, Clipper deals, etc. But it is all speculation

I'd say Larry has a good idea too...

And probably their scouts and Dave Hanners at least.

[Black]

I like the hype and anticipation surrounding your postings..... but, I question your "sources." The only people in the Bobcats organization that know which deals are coming through and being offered are MJ, Higgins, and Fred. Other people who work for the Bobcats do not get this information, and are left looking at the same websites everyone else does.

So if you are tight with Fred, Rod or MJ, then what are doing on Bobcats Planet.

There are deals out there that make sense to me. CP3, Clipper deals, etc. But it is all speculation


x1000000000

[stun704]

I believe him. I don't see the point of going through all of this trouble if he was just making something out of nothing, all doubters should ignore this thread.

[nazsquad]

Sorry, your right. Larry has a good idea. But honestly, there is such a small amount of people that actually deal with this info inside the organization. Those up in ticket sales and marketing and hr, etc dont hear anything. They hear what everyone else hears in Charlotte. So, my point is what is someone that is tight with MJ and his circle doing posting on a forum?

Like everyone else, I want to believe this guy and I would love something big to happen.

I also believe there is the possibility of something major going down. But inside of just saying by Friday night we will know something, say something more concrete. Name players, a team, something. If anything happens tomorrow this guy appears awesome without saying anything concrete. I believe Dampier is on the move and could say by the end of next week Bobcats will be making a major trade.

[CatNation]

Sorry, your right. Larry has a good idea. But honestly, there is such a small amount of people that actually deal with this info inside the organization. Those up in ticket sales and marketing and hr, etc dont hear anything. They hear what everyone else hears in Charlotte. So, my point is what is someone that is tight with MJ and his circle doing posting on a forum?

think friend of a friend of a friend of a friend of a friend etc..

[murphman]

think friend of a friend of a friend of a friend of a friend etc..

I enjoyed yesterday on ROF. So much I joined up. But I don't plan to spend any less time on here. James has handled this with about as much class as possible. Ourday has every reason to be gun shy. Sounds like that one email he got was really bad (I hope it didn't come from anyone from here or CarolinaHuddle).

[Black]

I enjoyed yesterday on ROF. So much I joined up. But I don't plan to spend any less time on here. James has handled this with about as much class as possible. Ourday has every reason to be gun shy. Sounds like that one email he got was really bad (I hope it didn't come from anyone from here or CarolinaHuddle).

what kind of email?

[BlockParty]

I'm not sure what the all the haste is about...I'm just thankful we don't live up north and have to pretend about being excited about Hockey or Baseball.

I'm thankful we live in a town with two Pro teams that enter the season with reasonable playoff aspirations. Yeah ok..i really don't follow the Panthers much outside of the sunday games.

The main reason for the Dallas trade was the deep sense of the jilted lover the Bobcats must have felt during the draft and first week of free agency. Our hands were tied, we had no wiggle room and very little leverage. Now, with Damp's contract we have flexibility, other teams want to talk to us. As far as deals working out or not, Rod Higgins said this week that 99% of the deals/talks never become deals...so no big surprise whe something falls through.

We have a little over 3 months left until opening night...but about a month to go until the NBA releases their schedule (it's coming out later this summer because of all the free agency moves...just watch, the Bobcats will be on National TV, after all outside of the Miami game, I don't see the networks going to Cleveland very often).

[BIGCatBobcat]

I believe him. I don't see the point of going through all of this trouble if he was just making something out of nothing, all doubters should ignore this thread.

I am a huge doubter and I have breezed through this thread. I've got a blog coming and, seriously, I think it will quell some of the rumors. If something happens along the lines of these supposed "sources" I'll recant just like I did when MJ bought the team the day after I said it wouldnt happen. I think people are lending a bit much creedence to what commenters and people without a forum or accountability or even someone who is BSing on the street are saying. Take it for what it is, a relative guess, however grounded in "inside sources" that it may be.

Certainly no offense to you James nor to the other guy but 2 guys running around the internet saying "I know this" or whatever is like the wacked out guy on the street corner saying the world will come to an end tomorrow. Could it? Sure. But will it and what information do you have that's better than the entire national and local media?

[stun704]

I am a huge doubter and I have breezed through this thread. I've got a blog coming and, seriously, I think it will quell some of the rumors. If something happens along the lines of these supposed "sources" I'll recant just like I did when MJ bought the team the day after I said it wouldnt happen. I think people are lending a bit much creedence to what commenters and people without a forum or accountability or even someone who is BSing on the street are saying. Take it for what it is, a relative guess, however grounded in "inside sources" that it may be.

Certainly no offense to you James nor to the other guy but 2 guys running around the internet saying "I know this" or whatever is like the wacked out guy on the street corner saying the world will come to an end tomorrow. Could it? Sure. But will it and what information do you have that's better than the entire national and local media?
My question to you and the other doubters are, why hasn't Collison been traded yet? matter of fact there has been next to none rumors dealing with trading collison, this is the PERFECT time to trade collison, matter of fact, his trade value can only get lower if they keep CP3, because his numbers will get even lower since he'll be playing a strictly backup role... Its my opinion that, CP3 will be traded, in one way or another and they plan to keep collison, I seriously haven't heard one trade rumor dealing with collison.

[batingaw]

I believe him. But I cannot wait. Can you PM me the trade they want to do and also their backup plan? :D
For me, this does not even considered a rumor because it has only 30% chance to go through. If it is above 50%, then it has a higher percentage that the deal will go through.
Based on facts, there is definitely something going on in Vegas.
And I like it because FO is trying hard to make this team a contender. If it will not go through, bobcats still has flexibility in Damp's contract and bobcats still have a chance to reach playoffs.
After two years, bobcats will be a major player in free agency.

[jamestheaussie]

I like the hype and anticipation surrounding your postings..... but, I question your "sources." The only people in the Bobcats organization that know which deals are coming through and being offered are MJ, Higgins, and Fred. Other people who work for the Bobcats do not get this information, and are left looking at the same websites everyone else does.

So if you are tight with Fred, Rod or MJ, then what are doing on Bobcats Planet.

There are deals out there that make sense to me. CP3, Clipper deals, etc. But it is all speculation

What you are saying is completely logical, but I cannot reveal how my source(s) would find out this information. What I can say, however, is that while the absolute highest echelon of guys (like MJ, Fred, Rod or LB) may be the ones proposing these kind of deals they sure aren't sitting at trade machines to find out what would be approved under the CBA, they also aren't the ones told to draft press releases, take notes during meetings etc.

What I'm getting at is that there are a great number of people who know information when a deal is past the 'hey let's see if they'd do this' phase. My rudimentary understanding is that tens of trades are proposed at any given time and most are shot down at the first phone call, but when there is even the slightest hint of interest others are required to deal with the minutia.

[Black]

so lay out every possible trade you have heard of, without sources, and lets see if one of them happens....it would do a lot for your credibility for me

[jamestheaussie]

so lay out every possible trade you have heard of, without sources, and lets see if one of them happens....it would do a lot for your credibility for me

Honestly, I have heard of two trades. The 'big one' and one backup plan. To write them both here would very obviously tell everyone which is the 'big' trade and which is a safety net.

I know there are other backup plans... but I have no clue what they are.

[Felton for Prez]

Here is my take, for what its worth. There were two guys on RoF that got some inside color and that color was extremely exciting. Does that make it fact? No. But these two guys are fans, they are extremely excited and want to help excite a fanbase that really hasn't had a lot to get excited about (ex: last place in ESPN future rankings).

The takeaways are the following
- apparently the Bobcat fan base is better than we all thought. The fact that people are "mad" is somewhat interesting to me. The fact people care at all is a good sign. I'm not mad, although my employer should be. We are all looking for inside info. These guys have that. Inside info isn't always perfect unless someone bugs MJ's office.
- The lesson for James and OurDay is that the internet is a public forum. While 99 times out of 100 you may be talking back and forth with a small group, the internet grapevine is amazing. I'll spare you my views on the commerce aspect of the internet, but its related. This is a good thing.
- People that get angry and propose threats are morons. Period. A perfect example of no good deed goes unpunished. My view is the same as TV programing. If you don't like it/believe it, don't watch it. End of story. People that make an issue of it are really mad at themselves and don't know how to deal with that.

James - good luck man. Keep up with the news. Your obviously an avid fan and that's the only thing I care about. If you weren't, it would be a whole different story. I honestly hope you frequent this site going forward and hope to read your views and recommendations.

The final verdict is this. In today's world of breaking news, the reader needs to decides what is worth their time and what isn't. I read everything and at no time did you or Ourday define anything as fact. Could the reader inferred fact? Yes. And that is the problem. Excitement causes the message to be viewed as fact despite the specifics of the message.

We live in a world where people expect instant gratification with everything. You were excited and wanted to share that info. Its a sad commentary on society today that you get stones thrown at you for that.

I thank you for being a fan (as I do Ourday). Its not like Ballwhore here who intentionally pisses people off. You both seem like fans and therefore I would love to hear what you know, even if its not confirmed. If the rest of the blogosphere only wants facts, tell them to read the WSJ or NYT.

[jamestheaussie]

Felton for Prez, you basically echoed my feelings. I realize a lot better what being cryptic can do.

As a final show of good faith (provided the managers of the blog are okay with it) I would like to post the outline of what I heard earlier this week on both RoF and BP at the same time (provided the trade does not occur).

You all are true, die hard Bobcats fans and I want to be sure people don't think everything that happened was to drum up hits for RoF (as some have suggested, I have no vested interest in David's success).

I also have a confession to make... I lurked a whole lot here yesterday when I found out I was being talked about, I see now that no lurking is allowed... so let me apologize for that :cry:

[GOBOBCATS24]

You have my permission but if it involves Gerald Wallace in any way it will hurt me deeply.

But go on ahead.

[x2pacalypse]

as head masturbator in charge here i give you permission

[batingaw]

Good! We don't need to wait for Saturday. ;) Waiting....

[Toocool]

Another fellow Aussie. Fire away mate, and let's see what you've got. If it involves Gdub, I might be doing a bit of face to palm.:facepalm:

[ziggy]

Felton for Prez, you basically echoed my feelings. I realize a lot better what being cryptic can do.

As a final show of good faith (provided the managers of the blog are okay with it) I would like to post the outline of what I heard earlier this week on both RoF and BP at the same time (provided the trade does not occur).



Sure, PM me and we can work it out.

[jamestheaussie]

To clear up confusion... I still meant when the deadline is up. I'm not posting anything anywhere early.

I just didn't want people to think when I do post it (If I have to) that I am expecting everyone to flock to RoF to read it.

[docend24]

I will be posting this both here for the RoF crew, and over at Bobcats Planet so I can here from people perhaps stuck in the 24hr waiting period, or not wanting to sign up.

I want to predicate this thread by saying that this is based on nothing new... so don't read between any lines.

I want everyone to think for a second that I am completely wrong about the rumors circulating and the Erick Dampier trade was for nothing more than a cap dump to get closer to the salary cap. Now that you have that in mind try and answer the following questions for me:

1. If the organization's primary concern is saving money and being close to the cap why do you give Tyrus Thomas $12.5 million in the first year of his contract? Wouldn't it make far more sense to back load it so the bulk of the money comes when Diaw/Nazr and then Diop are off the books?

2. If the primary concern is money, why do you sign Shaun Livingston for over $3 million per year, rather than sign an undrafted rookie for 1/5th of that?

3. How does this scenario make sense? Trade Chandler and Ajinca ($14 million) for Dampier, Najera and Carroll ($20.3 million)... even if you cut Dampier outright you only save $7 million. If $7 million is so important to your franchise, refer to point 2.

4. Why do point three when the following deal was ready to go: Diaw and Chandler ($21 million) for Calderon and Evans ($14 million)? Still the same $7 million saving as in point 3, but you don't need to pay for Livingston in point 2, and you keep your depth at C. In fact, you save more... because after the 2010 season another $5 million falls off from Evans.

5. If the justification for signing Livingston as an FA and Tyrus Thomas to an extension is to give Larry Brown the pieces he needs, how does one justify leaving him with Nazr and Diop at center? Why would he sign off on that trade?

I welcome your answers.

1) They didn't.
2) The primary concern is not money as long as we are under luxury tax cap.
3) It's Calderón + Evans (+Ajinça) vs Livingston + Nájera + Carroll (+ Dampier's 0 dollars contract);
there are numerous aruments for and aginst each other; after all it majorily depends on how LB thins those players can be used; Calderón's contract was considered untradeable before that Toronto/Charlotte; you may be overlooking the thing Jones for Diaw is still possible
4) So they would trade Chandler and they would keep him as well? Get your facts right.
5) Nobody is saying we are done dealing. Just not "watch ESPN" BS.

To me after this post, you as a source are laughable.

[docend24]

Chandler, Ajinca for Damp, Edwardo, Carroll - Did Carrol and Ajinca really need to be in there to make this deal work? :facepalm:

Is that a tricky question? Yes, they did.

[jamestheaussie]

1) They didn't.
2) The primary concern is not money as long as we are under luxury tax cap.
3) It's Calderón + Evans (+Ajinça) vs Livingston + Nájera + Carroll (+ Dampier's 0 dollars contract);
there are numerous aruments for and aginst each other; after all it majorily depends on how LB thins those players can be used; Calderón's contract was considered untradeable before that Toronto/Charlotte; you may be overlooking the thing Jones for Diaw is still possible
4) So they would trade Chandler and they would keep him as well? Get your facts right.
5) Nobody is saying we are done dealing. Just not "watch ESPN" BS.

To me after this post, you as a source are laughable.

1) Yes they did, $12 million. http://hoopshype.com/salaries/charlotte.htm
2) Salary cap is $58 million. Per the above link we are on the hook now for $71 million not including Derrick Brown, Dominic McGuire or Shaun Livingston. Even if you cut Dampier we are over the cap and into luxury.

3) Fair point about Ajinca, I admit that I missed his contract, still Alexis only accounts for another $1.7 million.

4) I said DEPTH not STARTER. Last time I checked Ajinca was DEPTH. I'll get my facts straight if you get your comprehension straight.

5) I never said that, so again... get your facts straight.

[ND22]

Meh, I'm going to remain a skeptic. Even if you do know something I think the chances are slim of it happening. There's too many variables, too many things that could happen that could shut the trade down. However, if you are telling the truth, that MJ and Co. are trying to make a big splash, then I feel good knowing the front office is not content right now, although that still won't change the my feelings on this last trade.

[jpf_v2.0]

1) Yes they did, $12 million. http://hoopshype.com/salaries/charlotte.htm

Per hoopshype it's 12 mill the first year, but per storytellers it's 6.8 mill the first year.

http://www.storytellerscontracts.info/resources/10-11salaries.htm

Personally I trust storytellers more, they at least have all the players that the team entered the new league year with listed (hoopshype doesn't have Diop listed under the Bobcats salaries).

[jamestheaussie]

Per hoopshype it's 12 mill the first year, but per storytellers it's 6.8 mill the first year.

http://www.storytellerscontracts.info/resources/10-11salaries.htm

Personally I trust storytellers more, they at least have all the players that the team entered the new league year with listed (hoopshype doesn't have Diop listed under the Bobcats salaries).

No doubt, Storytellers is as reliable as the day is long as far as I'm concerned. However, that figure is before the contract extension... notice it still lists him as an RFA? But there is a lot of inconsistency:

ESPN has it listed as $4.7 million http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3032

The Newark Star Ledger originally said it was $12 million http://www.nj.com/nets/index.ssf/2010/07/nets_pass_on_tyrus_thomas_who.html

Rotoworld list it as $6.2, but they show this sum to be prior to the extension http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?id=1252&sport=NBA

[chabber]

I think I was probably the first to say, over at RGM, that it was possibly something cooked up to drive hits for ROF. The cynic in me came out after you guys said to keep checking ESPN and nothing came to fruition. I had seen how this had spread across several major basketball boards and fans of other teams were following yet we didn't hear a peep from any media outlets. I apologize for my remark, both to you guys and to ROF, It was an unfounded accusation given that I don't visit ROF often nor do I know yours or ourdays history there.

I'll definitely say that this whole thing was pretty fun to following along with. What I am still most interested in, after tonight, is finding out what the big offer from NJ was and how we were basically pissing off and making the Knicks and Nets look like fools in this process.

I'm glad you've registered over here now James. It'll be nice to read your stuff and seeing you interact with the guys here.

[jpf_v2.0]

No doubt, Storytellers is as reliable as the day is long as far as I'm concerned. But there is a lot of inconsistency:

ESPN has it listed as $4.7 million http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3032

The Newark Star Ledger originally said it was $12 million http://www.nj.com/nets/index.ssf/2010/07/nets_pass_on_tyrus_thomas_who.html

Rotoworld list it as $6.2, but they show this sum to be prior to the extension http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?id=1252&sport=NBA

Can't explain what the Star Ledger and Rotoworld are listing it as, but I can ESPN...the amount they have listed is the BYC value for trade purposes.

EDIT-

Noticed you edited yours. You're looking at the previous year contracts on storytellers if you're seeing the info you mentioned in your post. The current year contract infos are at

http://www.storytellerscontracts.info/resources/10-11salaries.htm

[Zoolander]

Sorry, your right. Larry has a good idea. But honestly, there is such a small amount of people that actually deal with this info inside the organization. Those up in ticket sales and marketing and hr, etc dont hear anything. They hear what everyone else hears in Charlotte. So, my point is what is someone that is tight with MJ and his circle doing posting on a forum?

Not neccessarily. I don't believe the guy at all, but that's not to say info can't be leaked. It can be either intentional or unintentional. Fred sits down with his wife after a long day, "Hey honey how was your day?" Fred replies, "Well, we've been trying to get this trade to go through..... and so on an so forth." His wife than meets a close friend at the Y, "So how's Fred?" "Oh he's having problems with some trade thingy" .... and it snowballs from their.

Besides he doesn't actually have to have sources who know those three respectively, they can know people inside the other organizations with who they are trying to trade with.

Albeit, I'm not looking for another trade until we get closer to Camp. I don't believe him because he has contradicted himself too often. That raises flags to me. That doesn't mean I don't find everything the aussie posts quite intriguing however...... It makes the offseason fun.

[jamestheaussie]

Can't explain what the Star Ledger and Rotoworld are listing it as, but I can ESPN...the amount they have listed is the BYC value for trade purposes.

EDIT-

Noticed you edited yours. You're looking at the previous year contracts on storytellers if you're seeing the info you mentioned in your post. The current year contract infos are at

http://www.storytellerscontracts.info/resources/10-11salaries.htm

I see it now, sorry for the confusion. I had to hard refresh my browser as I was being taken to the cached 7/9 version.

[x2pacalypse]

aussie have you talked to your dude at all since you first heard about the rumor? and if so what's he been saying? like is the deal getting farther away from happening?

[jamestheaussie]

aussie have you talked to your dude at all since you first heard about the rumor? and if so what's he been saying? like is the deal getting farther away from happening?

I have two different people that I hear things from. One is inside the Bobcats organization and has said that things are very tight lipped. As I mentioned over at RoF there is a lot of intentional misinformation that is being leaked to media outlets (Specifically any interest in Ramon Sessions) so there is so much hearsay that they are afraid to communicate anything. He knows about one of the backup plans, and knows about parts of the 'big trade' i.e. he knows who Charlotte is going to get, but wasn't sure about who was being traded.

The second is a national source based out of NY. He only hears really big proposed deals when they come through his office. He was originally the person who told me about what was trying to be worked out, and I could only partially verify this with my Bobcats source... but suffice it to say it was close enough that I felt confident in these two guys who don't know each other.

My person in NY doesn't really have his finger on the pulse. He hears about something that might go down, but rarely gets an update. According to my source in Charlotte he heard the proposed trade hit a snag on Wednesday, but it was more of a delay than something that could kill the deal outright. I have not been given a true status update since the beginning of the week when I was told the next step had a 30% chance of happening.

[SWedd523]

Tyrus' full $12mil contract doesn't count towards the cap. The signing bonus is spread out among the life of the contract. It's whatever he got paid/years of contract + bonus/years of contract

[jamestheaussie]

Tyrus' full $12mil contract doesn't count towards the cap. The signing bonus is spread out among the life of the contract. It's whatever he got paid/years of contract + bonus/years of contract

That makes a lot of sense. So, am I correct to assume then that ESPN is correct and $4.7 million is his base salary, but in reality it's closer to $6.8 this season due to the bonus?

[jpf_v2.0]

As I said earlier, what is on ESPN is his BYC for trade purposes going by the info from storytellers.

The way you're doing it (taking what ESPN has listed and adding his prorated signing bonus hit) comes up almost 700K short of the 6.8 mill figure that is his likely cap figure for this year.

[docend24]

1) Yes they did, $12 million. http://hoopshype.com/salaries/charlotte.htm
2) Salary cap is $58 million. Per the above link we are on the hook now for $71 million not including Derrick Brown, Dominic McGuire or Shaun Livingston. Even if you cut Dampier we are over the cap and into luxury.

3) Fair point about Ajinca, I admit that I missed his contract, still Alexis only accounts for another $1.7 million.

4) I said DEPTH not STARTER. Last time I checked Ajinca was DEPTH. I'll get my facts straight if you get your comprehension straight.

5) I never said that, so again... get your facts straight.

1) linking hoopshype for salaries = fail; Nets wanted to make him an offer sheet with a frontloaded contract because that would be tough for bobcats to match; so Cats went aehad and sign him outright, TT nešver signed any offer sheet this offseason
2) you are claiming things against your "rumour theory" - if we would over luxury tax cap without Dampier there would be no point for risky moves as you claimed them becasue if they would failed FO would just cut Dampier and would be fine - so pretty much you are contradicting yourself; I don't know why you want to count McGuire against our cap when we have never signed him - I bet you are living in the world of rumour a way too much
4) claim for the sake of claiming, donť get me wrong I liked Lexy but he was far from useful; if you want to count Ajinça, you have to count Diop as a center option first (as sad it is)

Comprehension straight? LOL, don't make an exhibiton of yourself:biggrin:

[jamestheaussie]

1) linking hoopshype for salaries = fail; Nets wanted to make him an offer sheet with a frontloaded contract because that would be tough for bobcats to match; so Cats went aehad and sign him outright, TT nešver signed any offer sheet this offseason
2) you are claiming things against your "rumour theory" - if we would over luxury tax cap without Dampier there would be no point for risky moves as you claimed them becasue if they would failed FO would just cut Dampier and would be fine - so pretty much you are contradicting yourself; I don't know why you want to count McGuire against our cap when we have never signed him - I bet you are living in the world of rumour a way too much
4) claim for the sake of claiming, donť get me wrong I liked Lexy but he was far from useful; if you want to count Ajinça, you have to count Diop as a center option first (as sad it is)

Comprehension straight? LOL, don't make an exhibiton of yourself:biggrin:

Maybe something is getting lost in translation, I'm not sure... but you seem to be looking for a fight when there isn't a need for one.

1) I never said Tyrus Thomas signed an offer sheet. I merely said, based on the information I saw, that we front loaded his deal. That was based on Hoopshype (who I find to typically be reliable) and the Newark Star Ledger who's claim of a $12 million first year was referred to by Dime magazine, as well as other outlets... so I didn't pull it out of thin air even if it wasn't correct.

2) I don't know what the 'world of rumor' is... but we're not the New Orleans Hornets, and Dominic McGuire is not Luther Head. Take a second to search 'Dominic McGuire' and tell me who signed him to an undisclosed 1 year contract. I'm not addressing what else you said, solely because I don't understand what you're talking about.

4) If the Bobcats trade Tyson Chandler to Toronto they have Nazr, Diop and Ajinca at center. They traded Tyson and Alexis to get Dampier... if they cut Dampier they are left with Nazr and Diop, and that's it. There is a difference between depth and quality depth, but there's no denying that we are thinner at the 5 spot now than we would have been just trading Chandler. Unless of course there is anyone who believes Dampier will play a minute for the Bobcats, which I don't think is the case.

If you want to be angry, fine, hold your breath and stomp your feet... go for it. But I believe if I wanted to make an 'exhibition out of myself' I would have plastered information all over twitter for the world to see. So, have at it... go look at @jamestheaussie and tell me if I've done anything to grandstand myself.

[docend24]

Maybe something is getting lost in translation, I'm not sure... but you seem to be looking for a fight when there isn't a need for one.

1) I never said Tyrus Thomas signed an offer sheet. I merely said, based on the information I saw, that we front loaded his deal. That was based on Hoopshype (who I find to typically be reliable) and the Newark Star Ledger who's claim of a $12 million first year was referred to by Dime magazine, as well as other outlets... so I didn't pull it out of thin air even if it wasn't correct.

2) I don't know what the 'world of rumor' is... but we're not the New Orleans Hornets, and Dominic McGuire is not Luther Head. Take a second to search 'Dominic McGuire' and tell me who signed him to an undisclosed 1 year contract. I'm not addressing what else you said, solely because I don't understand what you're talking about.

4) If the Bobcats trade Tyson Chandler to Toronto they have Nazr, Diop and Ajinca at center. They traded Tyson and Alexis to get Dampier... if they cut Dampier they are left with Nazr and Diop, and that's it. There is a difference between depth and quality depth, but there's no denying that we are thinner at the 5 spot now than we would have been just trading Chandler. Unless of course there is anyone who believes Dampier will play a minute for the Bobcats, which I don't think is the case.

If you want to be angry, fine, hold your breath and stomp your feet... go for it. But I believe if I wanted to make an 'exhibition out of myself' I would have plastered information all over twitter for the world to see. So, have at it... go look at @jamestheaussie and tell me if I've done anything to grandstand myself.
LOL, a cheapshot.

2) give me a link that mcGuire one is official cause it is not; there would be something on bobcats.com about it as it is with Najera, Carroll and Dampier; livingston is still pending I guess as it is quite fresh

as you don't understand... and that's the problem when you are the starter of such a rumour you should have some knowledge how these things work

4) Nobody's denying it

You proved you know little about how trades adn signings work under association rules. One would think you would soemthing if you are running a potentially big rumour. If not it is legitimate to question the whole rumour at least. Those are facts. If you have some hurt feelings that's just you.

[batingaw]

Waiting mode... I hope I can hear something tomorrow. Sleep time...

[eleaf14]

last paragraph

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/07/09/1553786/jordan-bobcats-go-proactive-lock.html

[jamestheaussie]

LOL, a cheapshot.

2) give me a link that mcGuire one is official cause it is not; there would be something on bobcats.com about it as it is with Najera, Carroll and Dampier; livingston is still pending I guess as it is quite fresh

as you don't understand... and that's the problem when you are the starter of such a rumour you should have some knowledge how these things work

4) Nobody's denying it

You proved you know little about how trades adn signings work under association rules. One would think you would soemthing if you are running a potentially big rumour. If not it is legitimate to question the whole rumour at least. Those are facts. If you have some hurt feelings that's just you.

I can hear about oil spilling into the gulf, but that doesn't mean I have intimate understanding of how deep water drilling works... catch my drift? I have a basic, rudimentary understanding of the CBA based on little more than playing around with trade machines.

2) Not the same situation, not even slightly. A trade is very different to a free agent signing, and you know, I'll tell you what. If an announcement on Shaun Livingston is made before an announcement on Dominic McGuire then I'll say I'm wrong... but Bobcats.com never even mentioned us trading for Theo Ratliff, so I'd say their history is spotty at best. If Yahoo sports is good enough for most of the community here as found here:

http://www.bobcatsplanet.com/vb/showthread.php?t=11154

Then I would assume it's enough to call it a done deal, but maybe I'm wrong.

[DY_nasty]

Am I missing something? Whats the point of posting the details of a proposed trade that may or not go down AFTER some proposed deadline? I'd like to think that any FO would be so easily influenced by a couple of internet forums...

[batingaw]

Am I missing something? Whats the point of posting the details of a proposed trade that may or not go down AFTER some proposed deadline? I'd like to think that any FO would be so easily influenced by a couple of internet forums...
It makes boring summer exciting.

[jamestheaussie]

Am I missing something? Whats the point of posting the details of a proposed trade that may or not go down AFTER some proposed deadline? I'd like to think that any FO would be so easily influenced by a couple of internet forums...

I couldn't tell you. I was just told by my source in Charlotte to wait until the end of the week to reveal what was being worked on, and I'm respecting his wishes.

This whole debacle started by talking to people over at RoF who I have been discussing, chatting with and participating in game day threads for over a year. It was a small, tight knit community and I naively underestimated how many people it could impact being obtuse and cryptic with people who I knew innately trusted me based on that year + of posting.

If someone here who you trusted and talked with for over a year did the same thing I did would you immediately call BS and call them a liar? Maybe not, but an outsider would understandably view them in a different light.

[DY_nasty]

It makes boring summer exciting.
I'm sure it does, but it also wastes a lot of people's time as well.

Anyone can play the game of "If it rains tomorrow, don't forget I told you so - but if it doesn't, that means that it was never gonna rain anyways, lulz"

If you're going to take the step of THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN then go all in, don't just pussyfoot around it. And it doesn't require revealing sources either, it just requires showing some integrity.

[DY_nasty]

If someone here who you trusted and talked with for over a year did the same thing I did would you immediately call BS and call them a liar? Maybe not, but an outsider would understandably view them in a different light.If it wasn't someone that you trusted at that kind of level, then why go on the internet with something that you heard in confidentiality from someone that you have a good relationship with in the first place?

If you're going to take the step of becoming a leak, then either do it or don't. Its not really something that you can ride the fence on. If you're wrong you're wrong, okay. If you're right, you're right - good job. But playing both sides runs the risk of pissing everyone off.

[blazenheat09]

I understand where James is coming from. Any speculation of future moves of your favorite team is exciting. I appreciate his efforts.

The problem letting out details of a potential trade before can be the ramifications for the team and players involved if it dissolves. Say the deal was for CP3 and it leaked that he being traded was discussed but never came to fruition. He would immediately want out of NO and could cause tension throught the fan base. Sort of the same thing that is going on with Calderon right now in Toronto. Puts both parties in awkward positions.

[teej]

I'm not going to debate whether things are true or not, I'm just going to wait and see. But I do have one thing to add.



2) Salary cap is $58 million. Per the above link we are on the hook now for $71 million not including Derrick Brown, Dominic McGuire or Shaun Livingston. Even if you cut Dampier we are over the cap and into luxury.

Incorrect. Currently with McGuire at the minimum, Livingston at 3.5 and Tyrus at 6.8, then cutting Dampier leaves the team with 6-7 million under the tax. Even if Tyrus' deal is frontloaded as the Star-Ledger reports, then there's still 1-2 million under the tax after cutting Dampier.

[DY_nasty]

The problem letting out details of a potential trade before can be the ramifications for the team and players involved if it dissolves. Say the deal was for CP3 and it leaked that he being traded was discussed but never came to fruition. He would immediately want out of NO and could cause tension throught the fan base. Sort of the same thing that is going on with Calderon right now in Toronto. Puts both parties in awkward positions.
Has absolutely nothing to do with a FO's moves. If that were the case, then the Panthers would've traded up for Hakeem Nicks and the Jaguars would've drafted Tebow. Kobe would've been traded and AI would've never left Philly. Emmit would've retired a Cowboy, Dawkins would still be an Eagle... I could go on all day.

Fan sites, blogs, and forums have almost nothing to do with any FO's plans.

[jamestheaussie]

I'm sure it does, but it also wastes a lot of people's time as well.

Anyone can play the game of "If it rains tomorrow, don't forget I told you so - but if it doesn't, that means that it was never gonna rain anyways, lulz"

If you're going to take the step of THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN then go all in, don't just pussyfoot around it. And it doesn't require revealing sources either, it just requires showing some integrity.

To clarify for about the 10th time... I never said 'This is going to happen'.

If someone can find where I, jamestheaussie, ever said or posted this then I will acknowledge it. It was another user who heard this and communicated it as fact, but that was not me. He had reason to believe it was a done deal, and from knowing him I trust that he was saying so in good faith.

Excitement got the better of both of us in this instance, which I have regretted and apologized for. At this point, there's not much more I can say other than it's not going to happen again.

[blazenheat09]

Has absolutely nothing to do with a FO's moves. If that were the case, then the Panthers would've traded up for Hakeem Nicks and the Jaguars would've drafted Tebow. Kobe would've been traded and AI would've never left Philly. Emmit would've retired a Cowboy, Dawkins would still be an Eagle... I could go on all day.

Fan sites, blogs, and forums have almost nothing to do with any FO's plans.

It's completely different in those cases. You can't compare a draft where players are open to every team to trading a big piece of your team you already have. Players haven't been playing for those teams. Kobe demanded a trade bc his team sucked, they went out and got him help. Tensions were strained at that time but they coddled him like a baby. He is Mr. Laker. Nobody beleived he would leave in the first place. AI left Philly bc they didn't want him anymore. They needed him out. Emmit was washed up (did you watch any of his Arizona games) and the Eagles were looking for a youth movement. Paul is the one piece that NO has left. Thier strong stance on not trading him would be compromised if people knew that they absolutely were shopping him. I see where blogs and fan sites aren't the same as an official press release but it still contributes to it when so called "sources" from the team are giving out inforamation like that.

[jpf_v2.0]

It was another user who heard this and communicated it as fact

So wait, you're saying that your "source in Charlotte" is another message board user? :g:

[jamestheaussie]

So wait, you're saying that your "source in Charlotte" is another message board user? :g:

No.

If people want to keep coming late to the party, so be it. All the information on how this situation transpired is sitting on RoF, waiting to be read.

I expected a measured degree of grilling from this community when I posted this, and I expect far more tomorrow if I post what I heard (which will happen if the trade is not consummated).

I'm not talking about what happened to get to this point any more, because it's still based on ambiguity. When everything is in black and white (one way or another) it will be easier and everyone wont need to go so 'Columbo' on every word I write.

[SWedd523]

It's easy to claim to have sources, especially when we ALL know another deal is in the works since the Dampier trade. I can just sit here and make up some false source and say, "Hey guys a deal is coming. My sources told me so!! But if it doesn't happen don't shoot the messenger!" That way, ANY trade that goes through, I can lay claim to as I had a "source" in the talks.


Then if it does happen, I can say, "See!! I told you! Bow down before the King!"

and if not, I can say, "See!! I said it might not happen! Don't get mad at me!"


It's just really easy (especially in this situation) to claim to have information when it's blatantly obvious. Not saying that you're jerking us around James, just that it's easy for people to manipulate the "source'' system and have an out in either situation. That's why many people are so skeptical of the real (or fake ;)) information you have.

[jamestheaussie]

It's easy to claim to have sources, especially when we ALL know another deal is in the works since the Dampier trade. I can just sit here and make up some false source and say, "Hey guys a deal is coming. My sources told me so!! But if it doesn't happen don't shoot the messenger!" That way, ANY trade that goes through, I can lay claim to as I had a "source" in the talks.


Then if it does happen, I can say, "See!! I told you! Bow down before the King!"

and if not, I can say, "See!! I said it might not happen! Don't get mad at me!"


It's just really easy (especially in this situation) to claim to have information when it's blatantly obvious. Not saying that you're jerking us around James, just that it's easy for people to manipulate the "source'' system and have an out in either situation. That's why many people are so skeptical of the real (or fake ;)) information you have.

I couldn't agree more with you.

I only ever really intended to tell stuff to people who I was friendly with at RoF, which is why I never went to Twitter, Facebook, Real GM or any other site to drum up hype.

I naively expected this to be one of those 'Hey guys, you have to trust me on this' knowing those people would, rather than anticipating that rumors like this roll like a stone and pull in people who don't know me from Adam. I would be doubting too... it's just tough sometimes when you really want people to trust that you're not trying to get their hopes up or screw them over and there's nothing you can do because you've done nothing to earn their trust or respect.

[DY_nasty]

I just don't see the point in creating a huge fuss over nothing essentially...

It's completely different in those cases. You can't compare a draft where players are open to every team to trading a big piece of your team you already have. Players haven't been playing for those teams. Kobe demanded a trade bc his team sucked, they went out and got him help. Tensions were strained at that time but they coddled him like a baby. He is Mr. Laker. Nobody beleived he would leave in the first place. AI left Philly bc they didn't want him anymore. They needed him out. Emmit was washed up (did you watch any of his Arizona games) and the Eagles were looking for a youth movement. Paul is the one piece that NO has left. Thier strong stance on not trading him would be compromised if people knew that they absolutely were shopping him. I see where blogs and fan sites aren't the same as an official press release but it still contributes to it when so called "sources" from the team are giving out inforamation like that.You're missing the point. In all of those cases, fans were more than vocal about how they'd like those situations to have gone down and the team did the complete opposite. I was simply saying that FO's hardly ever take fan sites, blogs, and forums into consideration when making moves.

[Mustachio]

Look... this crap is getting old. THIS IS A MESSAGE BOARD / FAN BLOG SITE. NOT CNN!!

If you don't like what James the Aussie says and dont believe him ... then move the freak along.

BCP is here to provide fans a place to discuss anything involving the Charlotte Bobcats. That means that if your dog whispers in your damn ear that Larry Brown is gonna fire everyone and start over with the Charlotte Sting players, and you feel it necessary to share... freaking do it! And we will discuss it. STOP DISCOURAGING this type of stuff, its what these message boards are for.

James is relaying information to other Bobcat fans that he heard and felt relevant. If you dont freaking like what he has to say move on, or post something like "I'll believe it when I see it". He has his own credibility on the line, and since he doesnt work for a major news source his only credibility is this rumor. If it comes true, then damnit I'll be far more inclined to take his word as gospel next time. If it doesnt, I wont. Simple as that.


Bottom line this is a MESSAGE BOARD. not CNN, not the charlotte observer, not even MSNBC (although we get more views) ... No one said the things discussed here were gospel truth... they are what they are. Discuss them or move along, but dont discourage, intimidate, or blast other members for posting information if you have no way to prove otherwise.

[blazenheat09]

I just don't see the point in creating a huge fuss over nothing essentially...
You're missing the point. In all of those cases, fans were more than vocal about how they'd like those situations to have gone down and the team did the complete opposite. I was simply saying that FO's hardly ever take fan sites, blogs, and forums into consideration when making moves.

I see what you're saying, but I never said fans control front offices. They never look at blogs and sites for advice. They do what they THINK is best for the team. Point is, early information drops can blow up a deal by other teams jumping in for the same player, see what happened with the Mavs jumping in for Tyson. Even though Larry and Jordan might have backed out, we really dont know if they preferred the Mavs deal or didn't like Calderon as reports have suggested. Its best to keep your plans and hand close to you then letting all the details go public. Especially before deals are final. That's all I'm saying.

[NCBalla3]

look... This crap is getting old. This is a message board / fan blog site. Not cnn!!

If you don't like what james the aussie says and dont believe him ... Then move the freak along.

Bcp is here to provide fans a place to discuss anything involving the charlotte bobcats. That means that if your dog whispers in your damn ear that larry brown is gonna fire everyone and start over with the charlotte sting players, and you feel it necessary to share... Freaking do it! And we will discuss it. Stop discouraging this type of stuff, its what these message boards are for.

James is relaying information to other bobcat fans that he heard and felt relevant. If you dont freaking like what he has to say move on, or post something like "i'll believe it when i see it". He has his own credibility on the line, and since he doesnt work for a major news source his only credibility is this rumor. If it comes true, then damnit i'll be far more inclined to take his word as gospel next time. If it doesnt, i wont. Simple as that.


Bottom line this is a message board. Not cnn, not the charlotte observer, not even msnbc (although we get more views) ... No one said the things discussed here were gospel truth... They are what they are. Discuss them or move along, but dont discourage, intimidate, or blast other members for posting information if you have no way to prove otherwise.

AMEN!!! Bottom line....do we still think something is in the works??

[ohara831]

Look... this crap is getting old. THIS IS A MESSAGE BOARD / FAN BLOG SITE. NOT CNN!!

If you don't like what James the Aussie says and dont believe him ... then move the freak along.

BCP is here to provide fans a place to discuss anything involving the Charlotte Bobcats. That means that if your dog whispers in your damn ear that Larry Brown is gonna fire everyone and start over with the Charlotte Sting players, and you feel it necessary to share... freaking do it! And we will discuss it. STOP DISCOURAGING this type of stuff, its what these message boards are for.

James is relaying information to other Bobcat fans that he heard and felt relevant. If you dont freaking like what he has to say move on, or post something like "I'll believe it when I see it". He has his own credibility on the line, and since he doesnt work for a major news source his only credibility is this rumor. If it comes true, then damnit I'll be far more inclined to take his word as gospel next time. If it doesnt, I wont. Simple as that.


Bottom line this is a MESSAGE BOARD. not CNN, not the charlotte observer, not even MSNBC (although we get more views) ... No one said the things discussed here were gospel truth... they are what they are. Discuss them or move along, but dont discourage, intimidate, or blast other members for posting information if you have no way to prove otherwise.

Well said!

[x2pacalypse]

yea seriously james isn't causing any trouble he's staying in the same thread...basically i consider this thread james' propert there's no reason to go in and keep grilling him over the same subject, if you have a question thats fine but dont get accusatory or anything, it's just 1 thread out of a million

deep down inside i feel like something is going to happen early tomorrow, no i dont have any sources...just a feeling, this team has been getting all these pieces and not explaining much for more than a week now

[jpf_v2.0]

No.

If people want to keep coming late to the party, so be it. All the information on how this situation transpired is sitting on RoF, waiting to be read.

I expected a measured degree of grilling from this community when I posted this, and I expect far more tomorrow if I post what I heard (which will happen if the trade is not consummated).

I'm not talking about what happened to get to this point any more, because it's still based on ambiguity. When everything is in black and white (one way or another) it will be easier and everyone wont need to go so 'Columbo' on every word I write.

I wasn't trying to 'go so Columbo' on every word you wrote, it's just the way you worded that previous post it sounded odd.

[jamestheaussie]

deep down inside i feel like something is going to happen early tomorrow, no i dont have any sources...just a feeling, this team has been getting all these pieces and not explaining much for more than a week now

Can anything happen tomorrow? I really don't know if a trade can be completed if the league office isn't open. Heck, I don't know if they aren't 7 days a week. If memory serves me correct I can't really think of a trade announced over the weekend.

Regardless. I'll let people know tomorrow (or they'll know about it) and I can move on from this whole mess.

[Scottley Crue]

Look... this crap is getting old. THIS IS A MESSAGE BOARD / FAN BLOG SITE. NOT CNN!!

If you don't like what James the Aussie says and dont believe him ... then move the freak along.

BCP is here to provide fans a place to discuss anything involving the Charlotte Bobcats. That means that if your dog whispers in your damn ear that Larry Brown is gonna fire everyone and start over with the Charlotte Sting players, and you feel it necessary to share... freaking do it! And we will discuss it. STOP DISCOURAGING this type of stuff, its what these message boards are for.

James is relaying information to other Bobcat fans that he heard and felt relevant. If you dont freaking like what he has to say move on, or post something like "I'll believe it when I see it". He has his own credibility on the line, and since he doesnt work for a major news source his only credibility is this rumor. If it comes true, then damnit I'll be far more inclined to take his word as gospel next time. If it doesnt, I wont. Simple as that.


Bottom line this is a MESSAGE BOARD. not CNN, not the charlotte observer, not even MSNBC (although we get more views) ... No one said the things discussed here were gospel truth... they are what they are. Discuss them or move along, but dont discourage, intimidate, or blast other members for posting information if you have no way to prove otherwise.
Amen, brother. Let's just back off James for a minute here. He's free to say what he's heard and you're free to believe it or not. One of the great things about this site is how positive it is...being Bobcats fans, we get enough flak from the local and national media. Let's try not to pile on each other.

[DY_nasty]

Okay, so everyone should just go around posting "I know somebody who knows somebody who knows somebody who saiiiiid"?

Its why we put a big RUMOR tag on anything without something substantial behind it. They don't do that at RoF, but everywhere else... yeah, its the norm. And for a pretty good reason too, people like to not have their time wasted. Especially because a good amount of things that do go down end up here before they are on ESPN or through the AP. But hey, like I said, thats RoF - Here? Sure. Why not ask him if he's willing to start his own thread over it?

I'm not attacking anyone, don't get it twisted. I just can't see the point of going about it with the whole "I know, but I can't tell - but wait and see" lean.

[WAM9]

Look... this crap is getting old. THIS IS A MESSAGE BOARD / FAN BLOG SITE. NOT CNN!!

If you don't like what James the Aussie says and dont believe him ... then move the freak along.

BCP is here to provide fans a place to discuss anything involving the Charlotte Bobcats. That means that if your dog whispers in your damn ear that Larry Brown is gonna fire everyone and start over with the Charlotte Sting players, and you feel it necessary to share... freaking do it! And we will discuss it. STOP DISCOURAGING this type of stuff, its what these message boards are for.

James is relaying information to other Bobcat fans that he heard and felt relevant. If you dont freaking like what he has to say move on, or post something like "I'll believe it when I see it". He has his own credibility on the line, and since he doesnt work for a major news source his only credibility is this rumor. If it comes true, then damnit I'll be far more inclined to take his word as gospel next time. If it doesnt, I wont. Simple as that.


Bottom line this is a MESSAGE BOARD. not CNN, not the charlotte observer, not even MSNBC (although we get more views) ... No one said the things discussed here were gospel truth... they are what they are. Discuss them or move along, but dont discourage, intimidate, or blast other members for posting information if you have no way to prove otherwise.

This is the most reasonable reply I have read in this entire thread.

[SWedd523]

Can anything happen tomorrow? I really don't know if a trade can be completed if the league office isn't open. Heck, I don't know if they aren't 7 days a week. If memory serves me correct I can't really think of a trade announced over the weekend.

Regardless. I'll let people know tomorrow (or they'll know about it) and I can move on from this whole mess.
I think if papers are finalized late Friday then an official announcement can be made over the weekend. But I'm pretty sure that nothing can be sent through on Sat/Sun.

I surely look forward to what you have to share, regardless of the validity or not. What you've had to share has brough tons of excitement to the otherwise boring offseason.

And you better not leave after your "announcement". You've been more than cordial in your time even through all the hate you've received. I would like to formally welcome you with open arms :biggrin:

[ohara831]

I echo the sentiments of WEedd523. James, you have been fun to follow these past couple days and I really hope you stay with us. Would love to have your input on matters all the time. The more posters, the more different opinions, the more fun it gets!

[fatlever]

I think if papers are finalized late Friday then an official announcement can be made over the weekend. But I'm pretty sure that nothing can be sent through on Sat/Sun.



you sure about this swedd? ive never heard anything that prevented teams from making trades over the weekend. ive found a few examples on nba.com transaction page where players were traded on the weekend. one involved our beloved ammo, who was traded on a saturday to the lakers. the official announcement was made saturday night.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3891214

[jamestheaussie]

I appreciate those of you with kind words, heck, I appreciate those of you who think I'm a loser... because your passion for this team continues to renew my faith that we have the hardcore fans, now it's up to the team to keep building a product that will pull in the masses.

I will definitely stop in from time to time... admittedly, football takes a lot of my time as I blog the Panthers for two different outlets, but there is plenty of room for me to bleed orange and blue as well as black and teal.

GO BOBCATS!

[SWedd523]

you sure about this swedd? ive never heard anything that prevented teams from making trades over the weekend. ive found a few examples on nba.com transaction page where players were traded on the weekend. one involved our beloved ammo, who was traded on a saturday to the lakers. the official announcement was made saturday night.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3891214

I could, and definitely seem to be, wrong ;)

[G Wuh Wuh Wuh Wallace]

I don't care if james is legitimate or not I come here to pass time, follow my favorite NBA franchise, and chat about interesting rumors. I am just really excited anyways, even the prospect of a big deal is exciting for this franchise and the city so by all means I want to follow it. If it doesn't happen, Ya sure its disappointing but overall get real guys, THIS IS NBA FREE AGENCY. The whole fun of it is some deals happen some don't. All in all everyone wants to see the best bobcats team on the court. Please don't get your feelings hurt every time a deal doesn't go through that was rumored its like you guys found out Santa wasn't real every time the Bobcats flop on a trade. Just enjoy the unpredictability and be a true fan.:paddle:

Go Cats!

[Zoolander]

Would the Bobcats risk trading Wallace to get better? Wallace holds the heart of many fans including mine.

I remember Jordan talking about Jax being what this team needed last year. Jordan values swagger and leadership in a player. Would he trade Jax?

[DirtyU11]

I read on here alot but rarely post, but it seems to me like this "Aussie" is the ballwhore of this season. Although a much more respectable poster. I like what he brings to the forum, and enjoy all the rumors, Lets all be thankful he isn't issuing demands and keeping us hostage like most of the posters with the "inside scoop" (AKA Ballwhore)

And as everyone else, I'm praying for CP3 too

Dirty is back

[Mustachio]

Would the Bobcats risk trading Wallace to get better? Wallace holds the heart of many fans including mine.

I remember Jordan talking about Jax being what this team needed last year. Jordan values swagger and leadership in a player. Would he trade Jax?



this is a great topic.

I personally like Gerald Wallace just as much as most everyone here, but i wouldnt cry if hes traded for what the general consensus considers a better player. Hes seems a great person and has been a hard hard working player. His contract is great, and it would take a lot to justify a trade. As far as the rumors of late, if Gerald is involved with the CP3 trade I would not be ecstatic. I think CP3 is great, but coming off a knee injury and with a team that would be much like the Hornets (without crash) I dont think the trade would be worth it.

Then again, we aint winning a championship with Gerald alone. So if a trade comes up and Mike thinks it makes us a contender, im all for it. I think our goal to make the playoffs is pathetic. It should be to win championships.

[Zoolander]

True

Wallace does so much for this ball club that it aint funny. He can get 32-17-4 on any given night. That's pretty remarkable for a small forward. He sets the tone on defense with his block shots and steals. He energizes the crowd with rim rattling dunks. IDK...... if he was traded, it would have to be a pretty exceptional player IMO.

[CatNation]

so when are we hearing this thang :confused:

[jamestheaussie]

so when are we hearing this thang :confused:

Ourdaywillcome's is revealing what he said here.

http://www.rufusonfire.com/2010/7/16/1573809/ourdays-reveal-thread

Based on what he has posted already I believe the trade died. Read what he said.

I remain resolute to my source and will post after midnight (Vegas time) here and on RoF.

[CatNation]

still don't see how moving Damp for equal salary is gonna happen when we are so far over the lux tax. like...we're pretty far atm..

[ohara831]

Well, I do not like how this team is currently constituted. Something needs to happen.

[CatNation]

if we moved damp for equal money...who else could we move to drop money later? too bad boris for the tpe never materialized

[jamestheaussie]

if we moved damp for equal money...who else could we move to drop money later? too bad boris for the tpe never materialized

Only thing I can hope is that someone has a contract they don't want enough to take back Diop and/or Diaw in a separate deal. Arenas comes to mind, but I don't want that drama.

[Felton for Prez]

So much for between 9 and 10

[jamestheaussie]

So much for between 9 and 10

He just got back on now...

[Felton for Prez]

He just got back on now...

Naturally right after I complain.

Its really sad that I am that interested in something that has a very slim chance of even happening. I guess I just want to believe that this team can become something interesting.

[jamestheaussie]

Naturally right after I complain.

Its really sad that I am that interested in something that has a very slim chance of even happening. I guess I just want to believe that this team can become something interesting.

I'm reassured that they tried to do something. MJ was trying to pull of a major coup, and I'll take an attempt and failure any day over Bob Johnson sitting around bitching he's not making money and never improving the team.

[ammofan]

I'm reassured that they tried to do something. MJ was trying to pull of a major coup, and I'll take an attempt and failure any day over Bob Johnson sitting around bitching he's not making money and never improving the team.

Okay thats fine....but we need talent on this team now. If we cant get CP3, or Melo or whoever, then we have to go find the next best thing. I want to see what MJ does now to improve our team, if this deal is dead...

[jamestheaussie]

Okay thats fine....but we need talent on this team now. If we cant get CP3, or Melo or whoever, then we have to go find the next best thing. I want to see what MJ does now to improve our team, if this deal is dead...

We'll have to wait and see on that one. I'm as curious as you are... we need a big now, really bad.

[GOBOBCATS24]

I just wanted to say this is themost i have ever visited ROF in the same day. I have come to realize its a really nice website. I will always forever and ever be loyal to BCP though and thats a fact.

[ammofan]

I was thinking today about how if we were to trade for lets say....Baron Davis straight up, and resign Dampier, we would still be a better team than last yr. I think B-Diddy is way better than felts and Damp=Chandler or is better than Chandler(Assuming we signed Damp after he was waived by LAC) we would be a better team than last yr. Plus we have Livingston and whoever else off the bench.

Anyone agree?

[ammofan]

I just wanted to say this is themost i have ever visited ROF in the same day. I have come to realize its a really nice website. I will always forever and ever be loyal to BCP though and thats a fact.

Yea RoF is a great site. I even went through the 24 hr waiting process to join! lmao

But BCP forever!

[GOBOBCATS24]

I mean i agree but at the same time which Baron Davis is gonna be here? Is it gonna be the Clippers Baron Davis who comes out some games and acts like he doesnt care and the next game is gonna play like his life depends on it? Or is it the BD that give 100% every game that we all want to know and love.

[SWedd523]

MJ has been focused on golf since about Wednesday. He's been in SLC playing in that golf tournament with all the other celebrities (Jason Kidd actually looks natural in his golf outfit). I don't understand how we're assuming Jordan's been sitting down with the other executives hashing out trades.

[ammofan]

MJ has been focused on golf since about Wednesday. He's been in SLC playing in that golf tournament with all the other celebrities (Jason Kidd actually looks natural in his golf outfit). I don't understand how we're assuming Jordan's been sitting down with the other executives hashing out trades.

I heard higgins was the man 'fetching' the trades and MJ and LB made calls and stuff for support

[teej]

MJ has been focused on golf since about Wednesday. He's been in SLC playing in that golf tournament with all the other celebrities (Jason Kidd actually looks natural in his golf outfit). I don't understand how we're assuming Jordan's been sitting down with the other executives hashing out trades.

Owner's Meeting in Las Vegas, I guess?

He's probably teleconferencing though.

[x2pacalypse]

it took me forever to find ourday's actual post where he revealed what he heard so here it is for convenience sake


Okay: First – THESE ARE MY SOURCES.
Although James’ people provided similar data. Don’t tag James with questions about these. He’s going to “show his cards” when he feels comfortable for the sake of his people.

There has been so much speculation this week (here and in the national media) that I’m not worried about accidentally revealing the identity of my contacts.

STEP 3

George Schinn contacted the Bobcats about the possibility of a CP3 deal but wanted big money more than player-for-player deals. The Dampier deal was partially made with this in mind. The actual deal, as I heard it was this:

Dampier, DJ, Nazr, Gerald Henderson, a futre first rounder (the year was still being negotiated) and additional cash considerations. Najera was thrown onto the pile and he was never supposed to wear a Bobcats uniform anyway.

For this, Charlotte would receive Chris Paul and Emeka Okafor would return.

STEP 4:

This has its roots going back WAY before LeDouche James skipped out on Cleveland. The very beginnings of it go back all the way to last November.
This is also where we would lose Crash.

The trade involved the Nuggets. CP3 wanted to be teamed up with Carmelo Anthony. Once he heard the rumors about Bosh/James etc. he made it clear he didn’t want to be playing in NY, NJ or any other place where those guys might wind up. My PERSONAL OPINION is that it’s ego-based. He wants to prove that if he were on a team with what he felt was the right people, nobody – not even Lebron/Wade/Bosh would be able to keep them from winning the title.

Nuggets give up – Carmelo Anthony a conditional future first rounder and a 2nd rounder.

Charlotte trades Diaw and Crash.

It makes us MONSTERS (MonSTARS?) instantly in the Eastern Conference and immediate title contenders.

Once again – James’ is a bit different from mine and these deals ARE NOT OFFICIALLY DEAD YET.

So now you know.

BTW – I would have gotten this done quicker but SOMEONE cough cough Andrew coufh kept posting pics and every time a new one showed up, my screen would jump to it and I’d lose my place! (true story lol)

Hopefully y’all at least understand why I went out of my mind with excitement over all of this.


edit: honestly i'm about to cry at the thought that this could have happened and knowing it probably wont now...:( :( :( :( :( x100000

[BlockParty]

so the deal (not the aussie's the other guy on RoF) paraphrased:

"Dampier, DJ, Nazr, Gerald Henderson, a futre first rounder (the year was still being negotiated) and additional cash considerations. Najera was thrown onto the pile and he was never supposed to wear a Bobcats uniform anyway.
For this, Charlotte would receive Chris Paul and Emeka Okafor would return."

Not sure if it works...that would mean N.O. is super desparate to give up one all-star and another starter...for 4 quasi second teamers (maybe starters) and a draft pick, najera and cash.

But....didn't happen.

[catsandheels]

Did the other guy post it yet? if so can u give me a link?

[jamestheaussie]

Did the other guy post it yet? if so can u give me a link?

I'll tell my side at 3 a.m... thats what I told my source.

[teej]

I could see "Step 3" maybe.

Step 4 is horseshit.

[BlockParty]

*wonder if GW and CP3 would play golf (or corn hole, law darts, fishing) to see who gets to be #3

[x2pacalypse]

*wonder if GW and CP3 would play golf (or corn hole, law darts, fishing) to see who gets to be #3

nah dawg hate to say it but it would have to be CP30

[Muttley]

nah dawg hate to say it but it would have to be CP30
The guy from Star Wars?

[SWedd523]

I could see "Step 3" maybe.

Step 4 is horseshit.

Have to agree. I can see Melo for Crash and fillers having some legs, especially if he's made it clear he won't return. But Melo AND a first AND a pick for Crash and Doris? No way in Hell.


EDIT: Step 3 isn't even possible. The second trade including Najera isn't possible. He couldn't be traded with those other guys



*wonder if GW and CP3 would play golf (or corn hole, law darts, fishing) to see who gets to be #3


In that guy's scenario, Crash is leaving for Denver. So Paul wouldn't have any competition for the number

[x2pacalypse]

the guy from star wars?

:) .

[Black]

even if Paul came, that Gerald's number

[BlockParty]

The guy from Star Wars?

If that's the case...LB become Obi-wan-kenobi...
and Carroll most resembles Han Solo
and the rich lawyer, (Diehl I think) that sits in ther corner courtside seat could be Jabba the hut

[Muttley]

If that's the case...LB become Obi-wan-kenobi...
and Carroll most resembles Han Solo
and the rich lawyer, (Diehl I think) that sits in ther corner courtside seat could be Jabba the hut
Well casted!
If he really came back, it'd have to be Emeka as Cheuwbaka, too. Maybe MJ as Lando?

[SWedd523]

Brevin can be one of those little midget bear things. Same goes for DJ. Happy little bastards.

[BlockParty]

Have to agree. I can see Melo for Crash and fillers having some legs, especially if he's made it clear he won't return. But Melo AND a first AND a pick for Crash and Doris? No way in Hell.


EDIT: Step 3 isn't even possible. The second trade including Najera isn't possible. He couldn't be traded with those other guys





In that guy's scenario, Crash is leaving for Denver. So Paul wouldn't have any competition for the number

I'm a die hard Bobcats (and therefore diehard Wallace) fan..so, all my opinions, posts and acknowledgements would ignore the possibility of GW getting traded. Call me stubborn.

As you said...why lose GW when Melo leaves in a year or two anyway. And Najera can be traded....after the waiting period..60 days I think (still prior to the season)

[teej]

Brevin can be one of those little midget bear things. Same goes for DJ. Happy little bastards.

LMAO.

And Earl Boykins!

I have no clue what they're called though.

And Sean May is the ultimate Jabba the Hut.

[BlockParty]

Brevin can be one of those little midget bear things. Same goes for DJ. Happy little bastards.

the ewoks LOL..can you imagine the cable box on Halloween?

[Muttley]

LMAO.

And Earl Boykins!

I have no clue what they're called though.

And Sean May is the ultimate Jabba the Hut.
Ewoks
10chars

[BlockParty]

And the best of all..for Gerald Wallace.....

..Let the Force be with YOU

[Muttley]

And the best of all..for Gerald Wallace.....

..Let the Force be with YOU
Ah, the Force! Nice.

[SWedd523]

LB is the emperor guy that shoots lightning from his fingers, old bastard.

Vincent is Vader.



Boykins is one of the ewok things, can't believe I forgot him. I guess Muggsy would be their leader?

[teej]

the ewoks LOL..can you imagine the cable box on Halloween?


Ewoks
10chars

Nerds. :rolleyes:

Just kidding. Thanks guys.

[teej]

Boykins is one of the ewok things, can't believe I forgot him.

You couldn't see him, it's ok. You might've stepped on him, actually.

[SWedd523]

And the best of all..for Gerald Wallace.....

..Let the Force be with YOU

Gerald could never be the force. Why?


Because he's too busy BLOCKING THAT SHIT!! :D

[BlockParty]

And after this season when LB realizes he could've been drawing Social Security since OJ Mayo & Reggie Bush were on USC's payroll we have to find a replacement coach...

http://www.nola.com/hornets/index.ssf/2010/07/post_14.html#incart_rh

...you think Byron Scott would be interested in leaving Cleveland anytime soon?

(I hope LB remains in some type of consultant role whenever he does retire...I just think it's coming sooner than later)

[stun704]

step 3 and 4 make total sense... I don't think its BS, as higgins said before, trades usually takes months to work out all the kinks, and the fact that Shinn called us directly means only one thing.. The only place he wants to trade Cp3 to is to charlotte.


One thing to keep in mind though is: I think MJ markets Melo the most out of all the Jordan Brand athletes, it would only make sense for Melo to come play for the bobcats, only if denver would take Jax instead.

Cp3
Melo
Crash
TT
Okafor


That would be a sick nasty dynasty that could take out the lakers and the heat.

[BlockParty]

One thing to keep in mind though is: I think MJ markets Melo the most out of all the Jordan Brand athletes,


Seems that way... http://www.nike.com/jumpman23/index.html#/team ..didn't know DJ was one of them (or Joe Johnson)

[millst2]

The guy from Star Wars?

Muttley I about spewed damn mountain dew from my nostrils when i read that shit. HAHAHAHAHA

+1 for the great fukn laugh

[stun704]

Seems that way... http://www.nike.com/jumpman23/index.html#/team ..didn't know DJ was one of them (or Joe Johnson)

Weird I thought Lebron and Gerald Wallace was on there, but that just backs up my point, who does he have listed first? :g:

[millst2]

LB is the emperor guy that shoots lightning from his fingers, old bastard.

Vincent is Vader.



Boykins is one of the ewok things, can't believe I forgot him. I guess Muggsy would be their leader?

Mugsy would be a Jawa, little robed dudes with glowing eyes that scoured the deserts selling scrap metal and droids/

[CatNation]

glad to see we arent settling for crash and doris for CARMELO ANTHONY and squeezing a first round pick out of them :facepalm:

[stun704]

Mugsy would be a Jawa, little robed dudes with glowing eyes that scoured the deserts selling scrap metal and droids/

Adam Morrison is Darth V:ader.. BUT YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONEEEEE :facepalm:

[x2pacalypse]

so would the melo thing not work unless paul came? i mean i wouldn't want to give up crash for him to begin with let alone if paul isn't coming...but if we could give up what we are giving for paul for melo i would do that in a heartbeat

[The Prodigy]

Larry Brown as Emperor Palpatine (was this already mentioned?)

http://enrico.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/01/24/7210_article.gif
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0a/Palpatine_ROTJ.jpg

[Felton for Prez]

James - read the post on RoF. Fun week. Thanks.

What was the stuff with the Knicks and Nets? I didn't see that over there.

edit: didn't see the other thread. my bad.

[Fred Williamson]

glad to see we arent settling for crash and doris for CARMELO ANTHONY and squeezing a first round pick out of them :facepalm:

yeah that would be robbery from their side :facepalm: