An interesting trade idea...

[coachcdobbs]

Its an idea I believe could happen pretty easily if we wanted it to. Also without having to get rid of Dampiers contract.

Bobcats:

Boris Diaw (9,000,000) 2 years
Desagana Diop (6,500,000) 2 years
(Maybe a pick as well)

Wizards:

Gibert Arenas (17,731,000) 4 years

Trust me, I know there are a lot of people on here who will shun this idea, but I think it works for a few reasons.

First, Im sure Washington would love to get out from underneath this contract. He does get paid, and I mean he gets paid! But, he is (when healthy) one of the most talented players in the NBA (IMO). He has had trouble staying healthy but I think the time away from basketball would give him a new perspective on the game and how to approach it as a professional.

Second, these are two contracts we really need to do something with, and if we can get a very talented player back in return for them then we need to do it. Diaw cant be getting paid 9,000,000 to sit on the bench and were already giving Diop almost 7,000,000 to wear a suit. Arenas would be a guy that could come in and give an immediate impact. If were going to be spending the money anyways, lets give it to someone who can play a big role. I like the fact that in the trade we would not have to give up Dampiers contract as well, which we could use to get another center or a combination of players. I like the Chris Paul idea, but it is VERY wishful thinking.

Third, although Arenas contract is pretty bad, it isnt as bad as it may seem. We will be giving Diaw and Diop the same amount of money over the next 2 seasons. That means we take on two years of money for Arenas. However, in the final year of his deal his contract would be a HUGE expiring contract which you could use as trade bait. Only year 3 of the deal would be the year you are kind of "stuck" with money on the books. For a player like Arenas I really dont mind it.

I know this isnt the ideal trade scenario, but it would allow us to get rid of Diop and get something for Diaw. Whether you like Arenas or not, you cant say the guy isnt talented when healthy. I do think in a situation like this it still leaves you room to try to go out and get Chris Paul (although it is wishful thinking) because you still have Dampiers contract and your core talent to offer.

Thoughts???

[kickazzz2000]

If you can get Arenas without using Dampier, you have to at least consider it.

[ohara831]

I'd use the Dampier contract also and insist on Blatche coming over with Arenas. A starting lineup of Arenas, Jax, Crash, TT and Blatche can rival the starting 5 that the two teams in Florida throw out. And if we keep the bulk of our youth for a bench, we will have a formidable team.

[mrtarheel]

I would prefer McGee over Blatch because he is a true center. Blatch is more of a 4 than a 5

[Black]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=27utuyv

id give it a shot

[Ampsportsduo]

First concern: He's played just 47 games in 3 seasons. It's almost impossible to gauge exactly which Agent Zero would be arriving. It would be reckless to lock in to that contract without knowing exactly who they're getting.

Second concern: The impending CBA changes. You can't have a 32-33 year old player with an injury history occupying 1/3 or more of your salary cap space.

Third concern: Eliminates any chance at CP3.

Fourth concern: As a point guard his assist to turnover ratio is less than 2:1 and he averages 3 times as many FG attempts as he does assists. In an offense predicated on ball movement he's the antithesis of what LB would like (not that LB would see the end or even middle of that contract).

I agree that it's an intriguing prospect, but I don't see the need to make the move at this time. Washington will likely trade him (barring tremendous unforeseen chemistry with him and Wall) at any point, so I would wait if I were the Cats to even seriously entertain this notion.

I would also require a young player and a pick to take on the contract. They want to be out from under his contract more than we want him a part of our team. If the Cats FO decided it was worth the risk, I'd lay those demands on the table and wait for the call. If it never came, so be it.

[Ampsportsduo]

I would prefer McGee over Blatch because he is a true center. Blatch is more of a 4 than a 5

Based on McGee and Wall's summer league play, pretty sure the team has images of CP3 and Chandler dancing in their heads. Doubt he's available.

Blatche has had some knucklehead tendencies. I'd want to dig a little deeper before pegging him as a desirable trade piece.

[ammofan]

I would do it if we knew Gil-0 was 100% going into the season. If not then forget about it.....when he is healthy IMO he is a top 5 pg in the NBA

[Black]

how many of the games he missed last year were from injury, and how many were from suspension?

when he did play, he averaged 22 4 7

[Muttley]

Based on McGee and Wall's summer league play, pretty sure the team has images of CP3 and Chandler dancing in their heads. Doubt he's available.

Blatche has had some knucklehead tendencies. I'd want to dig a little deeper before pegging him as a desirable trade piece.
Agreed on all accounts. McGee is their starting center and he's making 1.6 million. Good for them.

Gilbert's a tough nut to crack. Taking his contract into account, in the last year of his contract, he'll make... If my calculations are correct... let me see here... Oh, a F*CKTON of money.

Not sure MJ or I are ready for that.

[Ampsportsduo]

how many of the games he missed last year were from injury, and how many were from suspension?

when he did play, he averaged 22 4 7

Towards the end of 06-07 tore his MCL against us.

Came back 07-08 and only played 8 games at the end of the season (remember the should he come back or just sit out discussion)

08-09 missed the majority of the season with lingering injuries (only played 2 games)

09-10 played 32 games before the gun fiasco

[Black]

just for fun, if we did the deal, then traded damp for Oak

Arenas
Jack
GW
TT
Oak

i could deal with that if arenas stayed healthy and gives up his NRA membership

[murphman]

I'm not sure if Arenas & Jax would work well together.

[Black]

under Larry, i think its possible. if he would commit to 3-4 more years, id be a lot more comfortable with our current situation

[Proudiddy]

I'd do it no doubt, but I have a hard time believing that any team will do a deal with us unless they get Damp's contract back, just b/c we have it.

[dav7z]

Its an idea I believe could happen pretty easily if we wanted it to. Also without having to get rid of Dampiers contract.

Bobcats:

Boris Diaw (9,000,000) 2 years
Desagana Diop (6,500,000) 2 years
(Maybe a pick as well)

Wizards:

Gibert Arenas (17,731,000) 4 years

Trust me, I know there are a lot of people on here who will shun this idea, but I think it works for a few reasons

First, Im sure Washington would love to get out from underneath this contract. He does get paid, and I mean he gets paid! But, he is (when healthy) one of the most talented players in the NBA (IMO). He has had trouble staying healthy but I think the time away from basketball would give him a new perspective on the game and how to approach it as a professional.

Second, these are two contracts we really need to do something with, and if we can get a very talented player back in return for them then we need to do it. Diaw cant be getting paid 9,000,000 to sit on the bench and were already giving Diop almost 7,000,000 to wear a suit. Arenas would be a guy that could come in and give an immediate impact. If were going to be spending the money anyways, lets give it to someone who can play a big role. I like the fact that in the trade we would not have to give up Dampiers contract as well, which we could use to get another center or a combination of players. I like the Chris Paul idea, but it is VERY wishful thinking.

Third, although Arenas contract is pretty bad, it isnt as bad as it may seem. We will be giving Diaw and Diop the same amount of money over the next 2 seasons. That means we take on two years of money for Arenas. However, in the final year of his deal his contract would be a HUGE expiring contract which you could use as trade bait. Only year 3 of the deal would be the year you are kind of "stuck" with money on the books. For a player like Arenas I really dont mind it.

I know this isnt the ideal trade scenario, but it would allow us to get rid of Diop and get something for Diaw. Whether you like Arenas or not, you cant say the guy isnt talented when healthy. I do think in a situation like this it still leaves you room to try to go out and get Chris Paul (although it is wishful thinking) because you still have Dampiers contract and your core talent to offer.

Thoughts???


http://www.bobcatsplanet.com/vb/showthread.php?t=11232
The deal in more detail . I would love to pick up Young and Blatche. Washingtom does this to dump Arenas .

Blatche is better than OK50 for the money . Young a PF is iceing on the cake,
We stay out of the LUXERY TAX'
daz7zs OFFICAL trade Thoughts this time,

[Proudiddy]

If we could get Young and Blatche out of this deal too, I could see this one being the most realistic trade available. I don't think they'd give us both Arenas AND Young b/c I believe one of those two is there preference to start at SG next to Wall.

[BlockParty]

Ampsportsduo provides some good stats to stay away from this deal. The stats show Gilbert is more likely to not play more than 50% of his games in the coming 4 years.

Plus, based on Diaw and Diop's contracts expiring in 2 years vs 4 for Gilbert..that's $34-35+ million still to be paid after their contracts expire.

Plus..it's an open possibility for MJ to have the 2 biggest monetary busts in Wizards history (see Kwame).

Finally...if Wall turns out to be everything he's billed to be, as each year goes by, the Wizards will be that much more motivated to part ways.

[EC123]

Towards the end of 06-07 tore his MCL against us.

What is it with Charlotte teams and people's getting injured?

Dante Culpepper.

Gilbert Arenas.

Shaun Livingston.

Who else?

[EC123]

I'm not sure if Arenas & Jax would work well together.

Anybody who is going to take a lot of shots won't work well with Jax.

[Proudiddy]

What is it with Charlotte teams and people's getting injured?

Dante Culpepper.

Gilbert Arenas.

Shaun Livingston.

Who else?

Terrence Murphy, rookie 2nd round pick, WR for the Packers, Thomas Davis hit him on a kickoff return and ended his career.

[Proudiddy]

What about this? I'm not how sure Portland would be interested:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2699avv

[BlockParty]

What is it with Charlotte teams and people's getting injured?

Dante Culpepper.

Gilbert Arenas.

Shaun Livingston.

Who else?

Danny Granger

Sam Vincent's Pride

[dav7z]

If we could get Young and Blatche out of this deal too, I could see this one being the most realistic trade available. I don't think they'd give us both Arenas AND Young b/c I believe one of those two is there preference to start at SG next to Wall.

If you notice i set the trade up to keep them strong in ever position. Making it work on both sides.

They lose Young but gain a experianced PF in Diaw to help wall. They pick up a VETRAN back up center to help Magee .

Wall with McGee , Diop ,and Henderson ,YI is a nice start . With lots of flexability.

Arenas, JAX, Wallace , TT, Blantche Thats a very strong starting five
D J for insurance if Arenas goes down, Thorton to back up Jax, Brown to back up Wallace and TT , Nazz fo Blanche.

Its a solid line up , Adding Theo might be another piece to add but solid.

[teej]

Danny Granger

Sam Vincent's Pride

Ken Lucas, Anthony Bright, and anything else that's come in contact with Steve Smith's fist.

George Seifert's career.

That dude from Tampa Bay who got absolutely clocked by Dante Wesley...twice.

[x2pacalypse]

What about this? I'm not how sure Portland would be interested:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2699avv

i would do that in a second although i don't think portland is ready to give up oden just yet, they are probably going to give him one last try

as for arenas, i would honestly rather wait till there's enough pressure from the NBA and community to for the wizards to cut Arenas and save face, then we can go in for a cheaper deal

i'm worried though because you can only have so many potential cancers (arenas/jax/TT) before everything turns malignant

also...here's me hanging out with agent 0
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs121.snc3/16846_282221767515_610497515_4834196_4682968_n.jpg

[BlockParty]

Chris Simms Phil's boy? lost his spleen I think?

Dan Morgan (though he only remember one of the hits)

[dav7z]

What about this? I'm not how sure Portland would be interested:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2699avv

Trade machines never work for me i can't see the trade.?

[teej]

Chris Simms Phil's boy? lost his spleen I think?

Yeah Al Wallace hit him so hard his spleen burst open.

He had it removed and hasn't played much since.

[Proudiddy]

Trade machines never work for me i can't see the trade.?

Yeah, my bad about your Wiz trade Dav, I didn't see the trade itself, I just saw someone put Arenas, Blatche, and Young... From what you're saying we give back, I could see them doing it - Although I don't know how Blatche and LB would work out lol...

As far as my trade, it was:

Diaw to Portland

for

Greg Oden and J. Bayless

[rsxnova]

I would take that Diaw trade in a quick second.

[teej]

Diaw to Portland

for

Greg Oden and J. Bayless

I'd do it for Bayless and a guy to give high-fives. Wait, nevermind, didn't see Oden there :biggrin:

I'd rather do Diaw for Miller though.

[Proudiddy]

I'd do it for Bayless and a guy to give high-fives. Wait, nevermind, didn't see Oden there :biggrin:

I'd rather do Diaw for Miller though.

Yeah, but I think they'd be more willing to give up Bayless for an expiring and maybe we throw in our 1st rounder for 2058. They seem real inconsistent in giving him playing time... He may drop 20+ pts one night, and the next night he won't see the floor.

Plus Oden still hasn't finished a season yet, maybe it's worth the gamble. I was just trying to see what I could come up with for us without giving up Damp's contract. But, like I said, I'm not sure if Portland would bite - but I'd go after Bayless before Miller. Miller is the better player for them right now and he's the type of PG that could play til he's 40 and not drop off much in production.

[teej]

Plus Oden still hasn't finished a season yet, maybe it's worth the gamble.

That's exactly why it isn't worth it.

Sam Bowie part II

[coachcdobbs]

I really dont think that Washington would throw in a young big guy in a deal where they are already taking back Desagana Diop lol. I think getting Arenas back for Diop and Diaw is good enough!

Here is a question: Would you do the same deal with Mohammed in it though instead of Diop?

[Chef]

I really dont think that Washington would throw in a young big guy in a deal where they are already taking back Desagana Diop lol. I think getting Arenas back for Diop and Diaw is good enough!

Here is a question: Would you do the same deal with Mohammed in it though instead of Diop?

nope. zero assests for agent zero. his contract is that toxic right now.

[dav7z]

I really dont think that Washington would throw in a young big guy in a deal where they are already taking back Desagana Diop lol. I think getting Arenas back for Diop and Diaw is good enough!

Here is a question: Would you do the same deal with Mohammed in it though instead of Diop?

We would be taking on 8o million in Arenas. Its a very bad contract . Though Arenas has tons of skill , Wall is the core . Washington about has to rid that contract to start over.

No our fucture wouldn't allow us to give up Nazz in a deal for him .

Washington has to have give backs for any one to take on that contract.

Young and Blatche would have to be added in for bad contracts all so .

Giving up Livingston and Carroll means we take back about 2 milion less money .


Arenas and DJ at point is solid
Jax and Henderson at the two
Wallace , Young , Brown at the three . Allows us to cut Wallaces mins
TT. Young , Blatche , all three could start hear
Blatche Nazz , Vet hear.
This line up would be big long and quick , Blatche and Young would thrive under Brown. I think Brown could all so handle Arenas.

[BRNC]

No one can predict if Gil (how much) will play and what a hole to try to dig out of if he does get injured again...we're already against the financial wall so I'd shun Gil and his contract...

[spectre]

Bumping the last trade idea thread:

Bobcats/Trailblazers (http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1042304)

Boris Diaw for Rudy Fernandez/Joel Przybillia

I'm not a "Rudy guy" by no means, but I like Przybillia and I esp. like that both of those would be expirings. Prz is supposedly running and should be back by the beginning of the year.

I'm pleasantly surprised that the majority of Blazers' fans in that thread are agreeable...they've always seemed to overvalue their guys more than most others.

[SWedd523]

I'd do that trade in less than a heartbeat. I'd really love to get Batum out of them somehow though.

[teej]

I'd do that trade in less than a heartbeat. I'd really love to get Batum out of them somehow though.

Agreed. Except one thing.

When the hell would Hendo play?

[SWedd523]

If we got Batum, It'd likely take Hendo to get it done. If not then you'd see Rudy get some minutes at point, Hendo get some minutes at SF and Hammer rot on the bench next to Diop.

[kickazzz2000]

Bumping the last trade idea thread:

Bobcats/Trailblazers (http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1042304)

Boris Diaw for Rudy Fernandez/Joel Przybillia

I'm not a "Rudy guy" by no means, but I like Przybillia and I esp. like that both of those would be expirings. Prz is supposedly running and should be back by the beginning of the year.

I'm pleasantly surprised that the majority of Blazers' fans in that thread are agreeable...they've always seemed to overvalue their guys more than most others.

Side note: link reminds me why I hate RGM...epitome of douchery over there

[Fred Williamson]

won't happen. Rudy wants to start and he will go back to Europe anyway. And Portland does not need Boris' useless ass, they already have a plenty of power forwards.

[mrtarheel]

Was just tinkering with the roster and came up with a couple possible trades that would make us pretty good.

1) Trade Diaw and Diop to GSW for Monta Ellis. They want him gone so the price for his 11mill won't hurt by taking Diop.

2) Bird is waiting on next yr so why not go in with the picks they have and some extra cash. Murphy is expiring anyway so get a head start by trading Murphy and Hibbert to us for Damp and a pic.

3) Sign Amundson

4) Trade Najera to the Bulls for James Johnson. They are trying to get rid of him and Najera will help them with his veteran leadership.

Ellis, Dj, Livingston
Jax, Hendo, Carroll
Wallace, UPS, Johnson
TT, Murphy, McGuire
Hibbert, Nazr, Amundson

Amundson, Murphy and Johnson can all play different positions along with the ones we already know about which is a plus.

[Black]

Was just tinkering with the roster and came up with a couple possible trades that would make us pretty good.

1) Trade Diaw and Diop to GSW for Monta Ellis. They want him gone so the price for his 11mill won't hurt by taking Diop.

2) Bird is waiting on next yr so why not go in with the picks they have and some extra cash. Murphy is expiring anyway so get a head start by trading Murphy and Hibbert to us for Damp and a pic.

3) Sign Amundson

4) Trade Najera to the Bulls for James Johnson. They are trying to get rid of him and Najera will help them with his veteran leadership.

Ellis, Dj, Livingston
Jax, Hendo, Carroll
Wallace, UPS, Johnson
TT, Murphy, McGuire
Hibbert, Nazr, Amundson

Amundson, Murphy and Johnson can all play different positions along with the ones we already know about which is a plus.


Work's for me! Where do I sign?

[mrtarheel]

Work's for me! Where do I sign?

If only the front office would get out and do something instead of sitting back and sign off on something

[truDUKEfan]

"Patients my Dear Watson"

[Chef]

If only the front office would get out and do something instead of sitting back and sign off on something

here's why. let's just say we do this trade. which i am all for. i think murphy is a player that can take us to another level.

then...

three weeks later it surfaces that NO would have done the cp3/oak deal for damp and change. how pissed would we all be? murphy will probably be there up until the season starts. nobody has the assets to get him. he is expiring and a great player. i applaud them for waiting although i am actually having to do work at work because this site's traffic has bottomed out.

[spectre]

Might have been mentioned before, but I just found out Jason Terry's contract is only guaranteed 5 million next year.

Not that I'm advocating for Terry, but I do know their fans want a backup PF and are pretty agreeable about a swap for Boris.

It'd be interesting to see Larry Brown dealing with Terry for a full season as his starting PG. Don't know if I care to see that HERE though.

[ALuhrs704]

man i'd LOVE that trade with gsw and ind. murphy is definitely a player that the bobcats need. i like terry in his role he has with dallas, off the bench scoring. i'd just rather have a pass first shoot 2nd pg running our squad, i feel like gerald n jax are better that way. even tho Monta ellis isnt a pass first player by anymeans, he's a borderline all star so sign me up

[Toocool]

Hibbert+Murphy for Dampier and a pick? Definately!

Hibbert is a great up and coming player. He won't be a star, but he'll definately be very very solid. I want!

[SWedd523]

Only way I trade for Terry is if I get Roddy along with it.

[TheLegend]

*sigh* Why is it that the Bobcats will wait to the last minute to make a trade....

[Fred Williamson]

Was just tinkering with the roster and came up with a couple possible trades that would make us pretty good.

1) Trade Diaw and Diop to GSW for Monta Ellis. They want him gone so the price for his 11mill won't hurt by taking Diop.

No, they don't.



2) Bird is waiting on next yr so why not go in with the picks they have and some extra cash. Murphy is expiring anyway so get a head start by trading Murphy and Hibbert to us for Damp and a pic.


Lol, good luck with that.




4) Trade Najera to the Bulls for James Johnson. They are trying to get rid of him and Najera will help them with his veteran leadership.


No he won't. Najera sucks and the whole league knows it. Bulls will rather keep Johnson or waive him, than trade him for Najera.

[Chef]

would anyone want this one. would portland do it?

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2g6hj86

[spectre]

would anyone want this one. would portland do it?

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2g6hj86

Their fans on RGM trade board have seemed very acceptable of that idea. They need a backup PF with Boris' skill set.

Most figured Rudy wouldn't be happy here, but we could easily include another team and get something else back.

[Chef]

Their fans on RGM trade board have seemed very acceptable of that idea. They need a backup PF with Boris' skill set.

Most figured Rudy wouldn't be happy here, but we could easily include another team and get something else back.

hmmm, i thought for sure they would overvalue rudy and i guess most fans way overvalue doris at 2years/9mil. i would do that deal in a heartbeat. andre miller is exactly lb's type of pg. tough, smart and can score. rudy could be a great back up/6th man. if he isn't happy he would be a great late season trade chip. if he performs well enough maybe we can get an expiring for him + diop. i would definitely do this deal.

[Scottley Crue]

would anyone want this one. would portland do it?

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2g6hj86
I can't sign up for this deal quick enough. Like Chef, I really like Miller and think Rudy would be of great benefit to us, be it as a backup 2 or a trade piece. But I really like it for Miller...I think he's a good, savvy vet who can score and run the show. I'd love to see the 'Cats get him.

[BRNC]

I'd do it in a heart-beat...I've always liked Andre and he's only got two years left on his contract...

[Toocool]

Miller? Definately. Where's the sheet to sign up?

I endorse this trade!

[spectre]

I'd do it in a heart-beat...I've always liked Andre and he's only got two years left on his contract...

Pretty sure it's even better than that...last year is either unguaranteed or a team option.

[BRNC]

Pretty sure it's even better than that...last year is either unguaranteed or a team option.

you're correct...listed as a 7.8 team option...I think he'd be a great pickup but can't see Portland motivated to move him since they traded Blake last season...I'm doubtful they'd want to go with Bayless (and no backup) as their starter...

[Toocool]

you're correct...listed as a 7.8 team option...I think he'd be a great pickup but can't see Portland motivated to move him since they traded Blake last season...I'm doubtful they'd want to go with Bayless (and no backup) as their starter...

Their backup would be Patrick Mills. Aussie Aboriginal guy, played in Beijing and achieved craploads, even outplayed Bogut to an extent. Got drafted late, broke his foot and only seen barely any game time. Although he had a solid college career and has quite a lot of international experience (also shows how shoddy our Basketball team is now without oldtimers like Andrew Gaze and Anstley [I think its Anstley])

Other option would be to have Roy take most of the ballhandling duties, problem with Roy is that he's never played a full season before. Always seems to get injured at some point.

[SWedd523]

Patty Mills was cut by the Blazers.

[BRNC]

Patty Mills was cut by the Blazers.

Armon Johnson (as far as I can tell) is the only other PG on the roster besides Bayless...so again...I can't see their motivation for trading Miller...and SWedd makes a solid point about Roy...Miller saved their a$$ last season when Roy (again) was hurt...

[BRNC]

IMO Hinrich remains our most realistic target...lateral move from Ray but Ray was good enough to get us into the playoffs...I think Hinrich could...and he only has 2yrs. on his contract...

[SWedd523]

You are correct. They were down to either Armon or Patty and decided to cut the Australian Assassinator.

Their PG depth chart looks like:

Miller/Bayless/Johnson

[Chef]

Armon Johnson (as far as I can tell) is the only other PG on the roster besides Bayless...so again...I can't see their motivation for trading Miller...and SWedd makes a solid point about Roy...Miller saved their a$$ last season when Roy (again) was hurt...

alright what about this. the first trade boris + dj for miller, rudy, filler. 2nd deal: DUST for camby.

why does portland do it? now they can basically offer NO an excellent package of talent plus DUST and roll with
paul
roy
bantum
mek
oden

meanwhile we get older yes but if we are going to gamble imagine the defensive lineup of
miller
jax
crash
tt
camby

who scores on us?

[Toocool]

meanwhile we get older yes but if we are going to gamble imagine the defensive lineup of
miller
jax
crash
tt
camby

who scores on us?

Who scores on us when Camby looses his legs like Shaq? Sure right now he's still okay, but in about 2 seasons his legs are gonna detonate on himself.

No for me.

[Fred Williamson]

Camby is defensively soooo overrated. He can rebound and block shots but his man defense is average at best.

[BRNC]

Chef...if we're back to the CP3 debate I'd rather have him than Miller...but without a deal for (at least an equal) PG I don't see Portland trading us Miller...

...and if NO will trade CP3 to Portland they'd probably trade him here...

I have to assume we will not get either so I'm still at Hinrich as the most realistic....I'd rather have someone better but that's what I see at this point...

[Chef]

Chef...if we're back to the CP3 debate I'd rather have him than Miller...but without a deal for (at least an equal) PG I don't see Portland trading us Miller...

...and if NO will trade CP3 to Portland they'd probably trade him here...

I have to assume we will not get either so I'm still at Hinrich as the most realistic....I'd rather have someone better but that's what I see at this point...

i was under the impression portland wanted to get rid of miller. it seems the portland fans were ok with it. throwing in dj may give them motivation. if i am wrong then, i guess miller isn't available to us. for the record, all trades not involving cp3 are only mentioned with the assumption cp3 is unavailable.

[Chef]

Who scores on us when Camby looses his legs like Shaq? Sure right now he's still okay, but in about 2 seasons his legs are gonna detonate on himself.

No for me.

in 2 seasons he is a huge expiring contract.

[BRNC]

Portland wanted to move Miller last year (before they traded Blake) but no one would give what they wanted...Miller is their best PG so I don't see that happening...I've looked at every team, specifically PG depth, and the best I see us doing is Hinrich, if the Wizards want Damp to cut more money...outside of Hinrich I don't see another PG (that would help) that might be had for a reasonable price...

[ALuhrs704]

i think hinrich is an upgrade over felton. his IQ is better, and a better passer/shooter. although felton could create off dribble better and was more athletic and strong, id take a pass first type pg and i think hinrich has some left too prove since he took a back seat to rose

[BRNC]

I like Hinrich...I like Ray...I see them as even...one does some things better etc...but since Ray left I could certainly live with Hinrich if it happens...

[LiquidWayno]

Let's not forget what a beast defender Captain Kirk is either.

[Fred Williamson]

he's okay but I don't see the Wizards giving up on him. As far as I know, he's the only backup PG they have.

[Chef]

all this durant sucks, lebron sucks who sucks worse talk has pulled me away from wasting time on fake trades. would you do either of these, both or none.

both are 2 part trades because of the DUST

cavs out: mo, jamision, 1st (debate the level of protection)
cats out: diaw, DUST

or
after 9/13
cavs out: mo, jamision
cats out: diop, matty or najera, DUST

either way we address our pg, add quality depth to our pf position or make diaw very expendable, can go killer athletic for stretches mo, jax, crash, jamision, TT. trade out diops worthless ass for jamision who expires next year. i would also consider trading jax if it got the deal done with a 1st round pick.

[spectre]

I'd obviously rather do the 2nd one, but I'd probably do both. Sure Jamison is declining and not worth his contract, but even so I think he'd probably be one of our better players next year...and then he'd be an expiring.

I don't think you need the 1st...they'd be getting a crap load of salary relief.

[Chef]

I'd obviously rather do the 2nd one, but I'd probably do both. Sure Jamison is declining and not worth his contract, but even so I think he'd probably be one of our better players next year...and then he'd be an expiring.

I don't think you need the 1st...they'd be getting a crap load of salary relief.

no, we'd get the first. no one is touching jamison until next year and mo is there's for at least 2 years. when indy got collison, it all but ended mo's chances of a trade. so, we are giving a TON of salary relief or they can use the the DUST plus TPE's for upgrades. i'd even throw in dj or ups (even though i don't think anyone in the league even moderately values him) for the protected 1st. i'm sure they would do miami's first though, but it will be one of the last picks of the round and not very valuable.

[Chef]

to get in on the melo action:

cats out:
diop
dj
hendo

in:
troy murphy

nj out:
murphy
harris
t. wil

nj in:
melo
diop
dj

den out:
melo
den in:
hendo
harris
t wil
nj #1 unprotected

part 2:
cha out:
damp + future 1
cha in:
billups + future 2

our lineup
billups
jax
crash
tt, murphy
murphy, naz

then we have to turn diaw into a center

does denver accept this for melo. our role would be if denver wanted salary relief plus rebuild, damp's contract comes in handy. if he becomes a deal facilitator, we make nj take diop.

[Black]

Only in NBA2k11

[BETCATS]

If we really go after Melo and it consumes us like CP3 did, it shows Jordan's idiotic ways. He is like a dog chasing the mailman, but instead of a mail truck the mailman is driving a Lamborghini. We do not have the pieces to get any superstar player, and if we did we shouldnt trade them.

[Chef]

If we really go after Melo and it consumes us like CP3 did, it shows Jordan's idiotic ways. He is like a dog chasing the mailman, but instead of a mail truck the mailman is driving a Lamborghini. We do not have the pieces to get any superstar player, and if we did we shouldnt trade them.

we won't ever get melo. i am trying to think of ways to help facilitate the deal with the DUST chip to get rid of diop and/or get assets in return.

[rsxnova]

I dont think they move Melo till the season starts.

[dvdbumpus]

Melo is a pipedream, and wants to play for Houston. Why would he play here when he could play in New Jersey, New York, or Houston?

We have to get more creative and take players teams are low on, and build through the draft. Crash and Jackson are good players but this isn't New York or Miami with unlimited cash and star power type of a city.

It's like competing with the Yankees and being the Devil Rays. No use trying to get the big free agents, just get some others free agents that will be useful and build through the draft and make shrewd trades that improve the club without losing financial flexibility (I'm looking at you, MJ and LB with the "win immediately in the short term" philosiphy. I want to win but I also want to win year after year after year, not just one year as a #7 and then 3 years of # 9-12.

Let's get smart and take a page out of other successful mid-level franchises.

[Chef]

Melo is a pipedream, and wants to play for Houston. Why would he play here when he could play in New Jersey, New York, or Houston?

We have to get more creative and take players teams are low on, and build through the draft. Crash and Jackson are good players but this isn't New York or Miami with unlimited cash and star power type of a city.

It's like competing with the Yankees and being the Devil Rays. No use trying to get the big free agents, just get some others free agents that will be useful and build through the draft and make shrewd trades that improve the club without losing financial flexibility (I'm looking at you, MJ and LB with the "win immediately in the short term" philosiphy. I want to win but I also want to win year after year after year, not just one year as a #7 and then 3 years of # 9-12.

Let's get smart and take a page out of other successful mid-level franchises.

again, no one is saying let's get melo. i am saying we could use the dust to facilitate a deal to one of melo's desired teams. denver would be looking to get young talent, draft picks and salary relief. we are the team who is best capable of providing salary relief. if we are important enough we can probably get rid of diop in the deal and take back an expiring or decent vet.

[ALuhrs704]

again, no one is saying let's get melo. i am saying we could use the dust to facilitate a deal to one of melo's desired teams. denver would be looking to get young talent, draft picks and salary relief. we are the team who is best capable of providing salary relief. if we are important enough we can probably get rid of diop in the deal and take back an expiring or decent vet.
yaa i get what your saying and i dig it. were definitlely dont have the assets to get a superstar n diops contract sucks. if we could rid 2 contracts then i like the direction where going

[truDUKEfan]

I totally agree.