Larry Hughes narrows list to 4 teams...Bobcats are one... [Archive]

ALong13

07-20-2010, 01:11 AM

"Larry Hughes says he's down to the Lakers, Celtics, HEAT, and Bobcats..."

http://twitter.com/TheRocketGuy/status/18944082397

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We are one of his 4 choices, I just wonder with S-Jax, Henderson, Carroll, Livingston, Collins, and DJ...where exactly does he think he fits on our team? Hughes bring veteran leadership to the team, but to me his shooting was horrific in some of his games last season and his shot selection is not needed on a team with young players. Honestly I'd rather Henderson get the burn than him, but that's just me...

What are some of you guys' thoughts?

EC123

07-20-2010, 03:50 AM

<sarcasm> Larry Hughes isn't a Center, is he?

Didn't think so. </sarcasm>

Fred Williamson

07-20-2010, 04:45 AM

http://knowyourmeme.com/i/2270/original/political-pictures-do-not-want-surprised-guy.jpg

BlockParty

07-20-2010, 06:50 AM

We made his top 4...he picked the 3 odds on favorites to make it to the finals...and the Bobcats, a team that might appease LB and sign a veteran to take minutes away from our youth movement.

I'd say no way in hell, unless we don't pickup another starter/quasi starter at PG. I don't want a minute of Henderson's playing time going to Hughes.

Plowright

07-20-2010, 07:06 AM

It depends if other moves reduce our depth, but otherwise i wouldlnt mind letting him go

stun704

07-20-2010, 07:23 AM

The DECISION............................

When is larry hughes espn special?

But seriously this says a lot about our franchise, if we are in the same sentence as the Lakers,Heat and Celtics, as far as FA destinations go, it means that Larry really loved the city and the organization, matter of fact, has there been any ex-players that said they didn't like playing here?(hornets or bobcats)

Proudiddy

07-20-2010, 08:04 AM

I'm at the point now, if we don't make a move to solidify the PG position through trade, we may as well bring him back.

dnbman

07-20-2010, 08:13 AM

Proudiddy

07-20-2010, 08:20 AM

And by narrowed down his list, he means those are the teams that returned his call, two of them actually suggesting he might play for them.

I wouldn't necessarily mind having Hughes if he can still play. I thought he was pretty marginal for us last year. Seeing as how we've already spent a lot of money and still need a C, I'm not sure we need Hughes.

I can see Hughes coming back looking much better, in big part b/c he came off surgery on his thumb last year with us when we got him. He didn't look like he had his basketball legs under him yet... So I think his conditioning and basketball awareness will be much better if we bring him back (plus, he says he's working out now over the summer and he's not making 11M/yr anymore).

Only thing I don't think he can change if we bring him back is his shot selection, which wasn't very good last year.

bobcatniners09

07-20-2010, 11:24 AM

He wants to play for the Heat? odd, nobody wants to go there right now.

ND22

07-20-2010, 11:29 AM

If he resigns, fine, but I do want to see what Hendo and UPS can do with more minutes.

BRNC

07-20-2010, 05:46 PM

I agree on Hendo and UPS...I thought they both showed they deserve time from SL...I'd like to see a "pure" PG come in rather than a hybrid this time...but if we get a hybrid I'd rather see Flip...he seemed to have great chemistry with the other guys on the team...

SirBobcat

07-20-2010, 06:48 PM

We certainly could use some people on the team. Especially if we end up scoring another deal where we lose more people than we gain. I wouldn't be too upset to see Larry sign for the vet minimum. My guess is: if the 3 contenders on his list don't want him, then he'll wind up in Charlotte.

Twan's Kin

07-20-2010, 11:05 PM

The DECISION............................

But seriously this says a lot about our franchise, if we are in the same sentence as the Lakers,Heat and Celtics, as far as FA destinations go, it means that Larry really loved the city and the organization, matter of fact, has there been any ex-players that said they didn't like playing here?(hornets or bobcats)

My guess is that Raja Bell despises the Bobcats organization.

teej

07-20-2010, 11:06 PM

My guess is that Raja Bell despises the Bobcats organization.

That has more to do with him being traded than anything that happened while in Charlotte. Though them choosing not to extend his contract probably has a lot to do with it too.

BlockParty

07-20-2010, 11:30 PM

That has more to do with him being traded than anything that happened while in Charlotte. Though them choosing not to extend his contract probably has a lot to do with it too.

I think bonnel reported sometime this spring that Raja felt betrayed that the Bobcats pushed and pushed for him to continuing playing and forgo the surgery on his wrist (in his mind potentially causing permanent injury). Then the trade comes along and we drop him like a sack of potatoes.

teej

07-20-2010, 11:32 PM

I think bonnel reported sometime this spring that Raja felt betrayed that the Bobcats pushed and pushed for him to continuing playing and forgo the surgery on his wrist (in his mind potentially causing permanent injury). Then the trade comes along and we drop him like a sack of potatoes.

Yes, but he also had the option to say "No, the Doctors say I need surgery" and be done with it. It was his choice as much as their's, and he knew he wasn't getting an extension.

Smart business by the 'Cats, and Raja will be making a nice sum of money in Utah.

TheBeagle

07-21-2010, 02:20 AM

Love to have Hughesy here, but they just had to go and sign Livingston :rolleyes: making Hughesy not a part of the plans unfortunately...

LOL I think Livingston's slowly becoming my new Shannon Brown.

Veteran_Picksetter

07-21-2010, 11:13 AM

I'm at the point now, if we don't make a move to solidify the PG position through trade, we may as well bring him back.

Totally agree. Think of Hughes as the second or third PG. Also, DJ would benefit playing next to a big PG at times, since DJ had his best days acting more like a 5'11" SG next to Felton. Hughes and Livingston would give us two options for that.

Ghost Kat

07-21-2010, 12:21 PM

Larry Hughes has a "list" ?

:hysterical:

dvdbumpus

07-22-2010, 04:57 PM

Larry Hughes has a "list" ?

:hysterical:

A wish list to Santa maybe.

"Dear Santa,

Please let me play again. I don't want to end up like Jeff Mcinnis.

Thanks <3,

Larry"

Toocool

07-22-2010, 07:27 PM

Wow. Hughes has a list. Just wow. He seems to be acting like people want him. I don't want him, not at all. I wouldn't even have given Ajinca up to trade for his scrubby ass.

Jax > Hughes (No brainer)
Hendo > Hughes (Hendo^2 is more stronger, faster, and more complete than ever before, and that beats Hughes)
Carroll > Hughes (Hammer can actually hit a basket and can pass on a fast break)

Any questions? Nope? Then get lost Hughes

Ghost Kat

07-22-2010, 08:39 PM

rsxnova

07-22-2010, 08:41 PM

He needs to go ahead and sign with the Heat.

Veteran_Picksetter

07-22-2010, 09:21 PM

dvdbumpus

07-22-2010, 11:00 PM

I'm suprised we haven't contact Antonio Daniels. More of a distributer, 6'4" and a defensive minded veteran.

rsxnova

07-22-2010, 11:22 PM

I'm suprised we haven't contact Antonio Daniels. More of a distributer, 6'4" and a defensive minded veteran.

Maybe we want to just use the young guys.

Toocool

07-23-2010, 01:58 PM

It's obvious he would be signed as a big PG, not a Wing. So these comparisons are not relevant. I'm sure you're quite aware of our currently shaky PG lineup.

I wouldn't let him even touch the ball. When you have a 3 v 1 fast break and you don't pass and let everyone else run back, you have a problem. As for our shaky PG lineup, I'm fine with seeing DJ and Livingston duke it out for the starting spot. And if we pull CP3, even better.

Veteran_Picksetter

07-24-2010, 12:45 PM

I wouldn't let him even touch the ball. When you have a 3 v 1 fast break and you don't pass and let everyone else run back, you have a problem. As for our shaky PG lineup, I'm fine with seeing DJ and Livingston duke it out for the starting spot. And if we pull CP3, even better.

I'm not content with Augustin and Livingston as the only Point Guards at all. With his injury, Livingston can't be a full-time starter. And it is still very questionable as to whether DJ is starter caliber.

As it stands now, the starting position is DJ's by default, and I'm not happy with that.

Veteran_Picksetter

07-24-2010, 12:51 PM

I wouldn't let him even touch the ball. When you have a 3 v 1 fast break and you don't pass and let everyone else run back, you have a problem. As for our shaky PG lineup, I'm fine with seeing DJ and Livingston duke it out for the starting spot. And if we pull CP3, even better.

It' been pretty much established by quotes from coaches, etc., that Livingston can't play starter minutes in this league because of his physical issues.

teej

07-24-2010, 12:58 PM

It' been pretty much established by quotes from coaches, etc., that Livingston can't play starter minutes in this league because of his physical issues.

So you start Livingston at point, then play DJ 20+ minutes as a shooting guard with Boris or Jack playing point.

Veteran_Picksetter

07-25-2010, 12:37 AM

So you start Livingston at point, then play DJ 20+ minutes as a shooting guard with Boris or Jack playing point.

I personally think the person who starts should be available for 30 minutes a night. Livingston won't be up for that.

If we're stuck with only DJ and Livingston at PG this season, then start DJ because he can handle the bigger minutes. Then you have DJ bring the ball upcourt, but run most of your halfcourt offense through Jack, Boris, and Gerald. Hopefully DJ will be able to rack up some points feeding off of those guys. HOPEFULLY.

teej

07-25-2010, 12:53 AM

I personally think the person who starts should be available for 30 minutes a night. Livingston won't be up for that.

If we're stuck with only DJ and Livingston at PG this season, then start DJ because he can handle the bigger minutes. Then you have DJ bring the ball upcourt, but run most of your halfcourt offense through Jack, Boris, and Gerald. Hopefully DJ will be able to rack up some points feeding off of those guys. HOPEFULLY.

Totally understand your position, but I would rather play the best man. DJ showed last year (and even in parts of his rookie year) that while he can shoot the lights out, he's not a point guard. He's a poor man's Jet Terry or homeless man's AI type player. I'd rather play Livingston 25-30 minutes, then let DJ feed off others. you could play them together and go small with Jack, Crash and Boris/TT.

DJ is a 5'11 shooter, so unless he's in a backcourt with Tyreke Evans, OJ Mayo or the like, there's no way he can survive as a PG.

CatNation

07-25-2010, 01:26 AM

Veteran_Picksetter

07-25-2010, 05:44 AM

Sad thing is we didn't really learn our lesson when we screwed up Raymond playing him at SG early in his career. And now everyone wants to do the same thing to DJ (hell we already did last year). He'll never be a good point if we don't give him a chance.

The difference is, we are in "win-now" mode this time around. How much do we develop young players vs. get wins?

I have no issue with DJ being the "PG" guy who brings the ball up the court--as long as he gets it into the hands of Jack, Gerald, or (a hopefully rejuvenated) Boris early in the shot clock on a regular basis.

I know you dislike Boris, but if our PG situation stays the same, I'd like to see what he can do with his "Point Forward" skills until the PG position is deemed solid.

Veteran_Picksetter

07-25-2010, 05:51 AM

Totally understand your position, but I would rather play the best man. DJ showed last year (and even in parts of his rookie year) that while he can shoot the lights out, he's not a point guard. He's a poor man's Jet Terry or homeless man's AI type player. I'd rather play Livingston 25-30 minutes, then let DJ feed off others. you could play them together and go small with Jack, Crash and Boris/TT.

DJ is a 5'11 shooter, so unless he's in a backcourt with Tyreke Evans, OJ Mayo or the like, there's no way he can survive as a PG.

Evans or Mayo would be great with DJ, certainly.

I guess I'm concerned as to whether Livingston can even go 25 minutes a night. On the one hand, he says that there is no "cap" on his limits. On the other hand, he says his minutes will be "monitored". Time will tell.

I'd feel a lot better if we added another tall-ish PG to push/complement Livingston and Augustin. Then maybe that makes "Doris" a little more expendable.

DY_nasty

07-25-2010, 09:35 AM

I'd always seen DJ as Damon Stoudamire-lite.

During his rookie year, he looked like the best pure point guard in his draft class (pure point... as in, best distributor and most capable of running an offense efficiently himself). A guy doesn't have to put up 6+ assists a night to be a true point guard, he can still be a scorer as well. As long as DJ shakes off whatever it is that destroyed his play this season he's just fine as a point guard.

TheBeagle

07-25-2010, 08:03 PM

If we're stuck with only DJ and Livingston at PG this season... Worst beginning to a sentence I've ever seen.....no matter what comes after, I'm left feeling violently ill.

BlockParty

07-25-2010, 09:18 PM

Worst beginning to a sentence I've ever seen.....no matter what comes after, I'm left feeling violently ill.

We've had worse...

"The Bobcats announce the hiring of Sam Vincent"

"At Guard, from North Carolina, your point guard Jeff Mcginnis"

"With the ___ pick in the 20__draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select ________"...May :facepalm:, Morrison :facepalm:, and Ajinca :facepalm: highlight the list

"Bob Johnson announced that CSET will be the cable sports and entertainment network to bring the Bobcats to everyone in the Carolinas"

"Bobcats agree to trade for Desagana Diop escalting contract in exchange for Hollins' expiring contract and Carroll's declining contract."

BlockParty

07-25-2010, 09:20 PM

But..That is by no means an endorsement of opening Training camp with only the PG's we currently have under contract.

Veteran_Picksetter

07-26-2010, 08:26 AM

We've had worse...

"The Bobcats announce the hiring of Sam Vincent"

"At Guard, from North Carolina, your point guard Jeff Mcginnis"

"With the ___ pick in the 20__draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select ________"...May :facepalm:, Morrison :facepalm:, and Ajinca :facepalm: highlight the list

"Bob Johnson announced that CSET will be the cable sports and entertainment network to bring the Bobcats to everyone in the Carolinas"

"Bobcats agree to trade for Desagana Diop escalting contract in exchange for Hollins' expiring contract and Carroll's declining contract."

Insert "Apocalypse Now" ending here..... "The horror.....The horrrrroooorrrrr........."

Veteran_Picksetter

07-26-2010, 08:28 AM

worst beginning to a sentence i've ever seen.....no matter what comes after, i'm left feeling violently ill.

lol..........

Veteran_Picksetter

07-26-2010, 08:30 AM

But..That is by no means an endorsement of opening Training camp with only the PG's we currently have under contract.

good.......

Veteran_Picksetter

07-26-2010, 08:34 AM

We've had worse...

"The Bobcats announce the hiring of Sam Vincent"

"At Guard, from North Carolina, your point guard Jeff Mcginnis"

"With the ___ pick in the 20__draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select ________"...May :facepalm:, Morrison :facepalm:, and Ajinca :facepalm: highlight the list

"Bob Johnson announced that CSET will be the cable sports and entertainment network to bring the Bobcats to everyone in the Carolinas"

"Bobcats agree to trade for Desagana Diop escalting contract in exchange for Hollins' expiring contract and Carroll's declining contract."

This is like a standard list of Emotional Scarring carried around by your typical Bobcats fan. The fact that you are so clearly in tune with our worst mistakes has me worried a bit for you. Are you okay? Do you need "assistance" of any sort?

BlockParty

07-26-2010, 07:07 PM

LB is good therapy, MJ over Bob Johnson, Fox over CSET, TT over Melvin Ely, Jax over Kapono..things have improved in many areas. Life is good, though we still have plenty of work to do.

teej

07-26-2010, 07:17 PM

Fox over CSET

Both suck.

I like Steve Martin and Dell Curry, and Stephanie is fine as hell, but the coverage still sucks, and the picture is not much different from C-Set.

Then again, I actually had C-Set. :rolleyes:

ziggy

07-26-2010, 07:21 PM

This is like a standard list of Emotional Scarring carried around by your typical Bobcats fan. The fact that you are so clearly in tune with our worst mistakes has me worried a bit for you. Are you okay? Do you need "assistance" of any sort?

Speaking of mistakes and frightening sentences...

"Starting at center for YOUR Charlotte Bobcats PRIMOZ BREZEC!!!!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RKmY1R0JdU

TheBeagle

07-26-2010, 08:29 PM

This is like a standard list of Emotional Scarring carried around by your typical Bobcats fan. The fact that you are so clearly in tune with our worst mistakes has me worried a bit for you. Are you okay? Do you need "assistance" of any sort? LOL. I love the fact we're only entering Year Seven of existence, and we have so much baggage as fans. There's no doubting, while scarred for life, the Bobcat fan is made of stern stuff!

teej

07-26-2010, 08:32 PM

There's no doubting, while scarred for life, the Bobcat fan who can tell you the difference between Jeff McInnis, Alan Anderson and Kareem Rush is made of stern stuff!

Fixed it for you. Too many bandwagoners :p