The Pros and Cons of Boris Diaw at the PG position

[Muttley]

Evans or Mayo would be great with DJ, certainly.

I guess I'm concerned as to whether Livingston can even go 25 minutes a night. On the one hand, he says that there is no "cap" on his limits. On the other hand, he says his minutes will be "monitored". Time will tell.

I'd feel a lot better if we added another tall-ish PG to push/complement Livingston and Augustin. Then maybe that makes "Doris" a little more expendable.
What are the pros and cons of sticking Boris at the 1?
He could certainly pass all we wanted from there, and LB is certainly the coach to get the most out of him as a PG.
I'm not sure I advocate this, but it could be worth the discussion (you know, if CP isn't our starting pg).
That'd be a whole lot of 6'8''-6'10'' on the court.

[ziggy]

Muttley, I thought this would make an interesting discussion so I moved it to its own thread.

[Ghost Kat]

Disadvantage: Boris can't guard a PG, Especially not on a fast break

[BlockParty]

Muttley, I thought this would make an interesting discussion so I moved it to its own thread.

Pros:

Diaw hasn't been a fast break 'finisher' at all for the Bobcats, so asking him to sometimes be the last person down the court is no big deal.

Ball skills: He is tall enough to see the floor and 90% of the Power Forwards in the league don't have the lateral quickness to consistenly pressure someone coming up the court.

Open Shots: LB likes a PG that thinks pass First. see Cons below

It's innovative, it would be interesting to see how other teams defend it..and how we defend other teams. But..we need to rethink our defense...given a lineup of Diaw/Jax/GW/TT/Nazr....who guards Rondo, Jamier Nelson, Derrick Rose, Steve Nash, John Wall, Raymond Felton, Eric Gordon, Steph Curry? all who having varying levels of scoring ability, but all are quicker from point A to point B than anyone in our lineup above.

Cons:

May slow the tempo slightly in transistion game, most teams want the PG to be the quickest person on the court to blow by at least 7 of the other 9 people on the court at any time.

Diaw is not a bad shooter, and this may further send him into ignoring his scoring opportunities to Boris...Pass First, Pass Second, Pass Third, ok I've been wide open under the basket WITH the ball for 3 seconds I should probably shoot.

DJ's development. In another thread someone mentioned how we may repeat our mistakes with Ray (pretending he's a shooting guard) with DJ last season. DJ needs minutes at PG.

What happens when Diaw has a ...lethargic game and he has 6 turnovers at halftime?

[DY_nasty]

There isn't a single positive thing that could come from Boris Diaw running the point. wtf

[Muttley]

Muttley, I thought this would make an interesting discussion so I moved it to its own thread.
Cool!

I think that he might be more comfortable there than any other position. That could work in our favor. If he's benched for Tyrus, then we'll have a pouty Doris on our hands, which would be worse than an everyday Boris.

On the other hand, he would be destroyed by guys like Rondo. On the other other hand, what guard on our roster isn't going to be? Jax and Henderson, I suppose. Could Diaw guard Allen?

[DY_nasty]

Boris Diaw wouldn't even be able to get the ball up the court lol

[BRNC]

Innovative idea and kudos for that...IMO the problem would be implementation with the person being called upon to implement...:biggrin:

[ND22]

I had this discussion with a good friend of mine last night and we both came to the conclusion that in spot situations he could play it, but he would slow the tempo down and he wouldn't be able to guard any good point guard in the league.

[CatNation]

he'd get the ball stolen from him 85% of the time by most PGs in the league. I've always thought his handles were overrated

[x2pacalypse]

didn't diaw come into the league as a PG for the hawks?

[rsxnova]

Wait so we are thinking about using Doris' overrated pass skills at the PG position. I think we need a pro/con thread for giving DJ a chance.

[DY_nasty]

Hawks were fools to draft Diaw that high for one. I still think that they had no clue what they were doing when they brought Diaw over though. Atlanta traded him after trying to run him as a 2/3 with spots at 4, and rightfully so - he was horrible. Dude was a pretty good player in PHX because there were so many shooters around him and little expectations of him. He could pass the ball anywhere and get an assist on that team. He could turn it over and it wouldn't be a devastating hit to the offense too because they squeezed so many possessions out of each game.

Clearly thats not the case here in Charlotte.

Wait so we are thinking about using Doris' overrated pass skills at the PG position. I think we need a pro/con thread for giving DJ a chance.
This.

Just a year ago people were going on and on about how DJ should replace Ray. There is no way that a fat 6'8 dope who LOVES to hesitate and over-think with the ball in his hands is a better option than DJ at any point.

[Fred Williamson]

Diaw at PG? Oh great, while we are at it, why not put Crash at center? I mean he grabs a ton of rebounds and can block shots?



:facepalm:

[Veteran_Picksetter]

Boris playing the "1" and attempting to guard other PG's or trying to break presses: NO.

Boris playing the 3, 4, or 5 depending on the matchup and initiating some of the halfcourt offense: Sure, no problem.

I support Boris more than most, but even I don't really see him as a guy who can play all 5 positions--Just the frontline positions.

He's effective in using his PG-like skills against big men. He could be important as a ball-movement guy, especially if DJ proves to be more of a scorer than a distributor.

[ajbry]

Boris playing the "1" and attempting to guard other PG's or trying to break presses: NO.

Boris playing the 3, 4, or 5 depending on the matchup and initiating some of the halfcourt offense: Sure, no problem.

I support Boris more than most, but even I don't really see him as a guy who can play all 5 positions--Just the frontline positions.

He's effective in using his PG-like skills against big men. He could be important as a ball-movement guy, especially if DJ proves to be more of a scorer than a distributor.

This sums it up perfectly.

Diaw at the 1 - in any circumstance - would be a disaster. I'm still hoping he's not even on the roster by the time the season rolls around...

[TattoodCats4life]

Let me just interject this starting lineup for a moment,

DJ (fast, shooter, less passing or is that fixed in camp?)
Diaw (BIG, slower but okay, tell him he needs to shoot 40% of the time he has the ball when he's in camp)
Jax (clearly he can slide up a spot and he can do everything a 3 should do).
GW3 (NOT THE WHOLE GAME!!! Just for the first 10 minutes, and maybe the last 5 minutes)
TT (He played center before for us here and there)

Over the course of the game everyone moves to their "natural" positions, henderson gets some burn, brown gets some, and <gulp> diop gets some :)

[Veteran_Picksetter]

The point of a Boris Diaw is to draw defending bigs out of the lane, opening things up for others.

The second point of a Boris Diaw is to catch the defense asleep with his ability to find open teammates like a little PG does.

The third point of a Boris Diaw is to have him rotate well on defense and also handle defensive switch-offs amongst the 3,4, and 5 positons.

To what degree any of this shows up in a typical stat line is highly debatable.

[rsxnova]

Let me just interject this starting lineup for a moment,

DJ (fast, shooter, less passing or is that fixed in camp?)
Diaw (BIG, slower but okay, tell him he needs to shoot 40% of the time he has the ball when he's in camp)
Jax (clearly he can slide up a spot and he can do everything a 3 should do).
GW3 (NOT THE WHOLE GAME!!! Just for the first 10 minutes, and maybe the last 5 minutes)
TT (He played center before for us here and there)

Over the course of the game everyone moves to their "natural" positions, henderson gets some burn, brown gets some, and <gulp> diop gets some :)



Looks like a solid 20 win team to me.

[CatNation]

I wish Hendo had handles and court vision. He'd be awesome as a big PG instead of an undersized SG

[Veteran_Picksetter]

I wish Hendo had handles and court vision. He'd be awesome as a big PG instead of an undersized SG

That would be nice, but I don't really see him as undersized for SG, based on his combine measurements.

At 6'4" barefooted, he's 6'5.25" in the typical NBA shoe, and shoe height is what the NBA generally goes with. Okay, that's fairly average, but.....

His 6'10.25" wingspan is in Small Forward territory. His 8'6.5" standing reach is very good for a Shooting Guard. Add in his great hops and the fact that he will fill out with time: At worst, he should be a good defensive 2-man someday.

I have high hopes for Gerald, but he will need some highly-skilled offensive players alongside of him for the next few years. A DJ//Hendo/Jack trio on the perimeter could possibly work at times.....

[Toocool]

Cat, Hendo doesn't have the handles of a PG but he's gone pretty damn far from last season. Had a few glances of him when he played SL and seemed to me that he was in control of the ball more. His vision is also better and from what i've heard he had some good passes.

Pick, Hendo was the go-to man in Duke. He did pretty well for a guy who could only drive and had no perimeter shot. The new improved Hendo now I believe can slowly develop into a go-to man, along with our good friend UPS.

[dvdbumpus]

I personally think Diaw is terrible and is just a ghost on the court. It's too bad the basket isn't a basket full of cupcakes.

Boris Diaw..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cqz9ZXUoUcE

[Veteran_Picksetter]

Cat, Hendo doesn't have the handles of a PG but he's gone pretty damn far from last season. Had a few glances of him when he played SL and seemed to me that he was in control of the ball more. His vision is also better and from what i've heard he had some good passes.

Pick, Hendo was the go-to man in Duke. He did pretty well for a guy who could only drive and had no perimeter shot. The new improved Hendo now I believe can slowly develop into a go-to man, along with our good friend UPS.

Hendo could get there offensively. He just needs to knock down those jumpers occasionally in order to open everything up. Otherwise, he will be easy to defend. Whether he excels offensively or not, I like his potential as a Hustle Play/defender guy.

[Chef]

he'd get the ball stolen from him 85% of the time by most PGs in the league. I've always thought his handles were overrated

this.

pg is not a position a good to above average dribbler can just move to. this isn't like football where a tackle can move to guard, a running back to full back etc. there are alot of people who are saying lebron is going to play point-forward like magic. i think lebron is one of the better passers and dribblers in the league but there is a huge difference between being the point guard and bringing the ball up sometimes during the game. i don't think the transition is going to be incredibly smooth for him. as for boris, he is no lebron.

but, as a change of pace for a 3 minute stretch it could work well.

[spectre]

Boris has good handles when it's opposing PFs or maybe a wing trying to guard him while he's bringing it up the court. Matched up against guys like Rondo, Paul, Felton and other "thieves" it wouldn't be pretty.

[dvdbumpus]

Thinking about it more we'll likely give Augustin a try at PG with a veteran backup near Vet Minimum. We'll likely trade Dampier's contract for a young big...Greg Oden maybe.

[Veteran_Picksetter]

Thinking about it more we'll likely give Augustin a try at PG with a veteran backup near Vet Minimum. We'll likely trade Dampier's contract for a young big...Greg Oden maybe.

Greg Oden?

[dvdbumpus]

Greg Oden?

Some young bum with potential.....it'll probably be Andray "crybaby" Blatche.

[ND22]

Greg Oden?

Yes sir, Greg Oden. :cool:

http://shotymeapparel.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/greg-oden-dancing.jpg

[SWedd523]

Atta boy









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[Veteran_Picksetter]

In all seriousness is there a situation in which we'd get Greg Oden?

Is Portland in a position where they'd do that?

Do we WANT Gred Oden? For what price?

It would definitely be an interesting storyline.....

[teej]

In all seriousness is there a situation in which we'd get Greg Oden?

Is Portland in a position where they'd do that?

Do we WANT Gred Oden? For what price?

It would definitely be an interesting storyline.....

Hopefully, it's no to all 3.

[French_Cats]

Damn Diaw took a look at how the weight photo was taken today:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:



http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/3885/diawh.jpg

[BlockParty]

Damn Diaw took a look at how the weight photo was taken today:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:




http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/3885/diawh.jpg
Did they require him to wear a flapjacket under his uniform, or is he intentionally going for the Charles Barkley Look?

[teej]

LMAO. Diaw is like Sean May 2.0

[SWedd523]

"bulking" up for extended minutes at Center behind Okafor after we trade for him and CP3?

[dvdbumpus]

So has anyone mentioned that the reason why it'd be bad to have Boris Diaw at point guard is because it's Boris Diaw?

[teej]

This is the closest I could come to a PG thread.

David Arnott of Rufus on Fire compared DJ Augustin to Panthers QB Matt Moore.

I am now firmly on the Jimmy Clausen bandwagon.

[rsxnova]

This is the closest I could come to a PG thread.

David Arnott of Rufus on Fire compared DJ Augustin to Panthers QB Matt Moore.

I am now firmly on the Jimmy Clausen bandwagon.

I wont be on the JC bandwagon till he at least signs.

[teej]

I wont be on the JC bandwagon till he at least signs.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5416258

Done.