Just might happen

[mrtarheel]

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/13671341/after-hornets-meeting-paul-still-seeking-way-out?tag=headlines;nba

Had to get it out there and here is another good sign for us

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=16922

[Black]

Goosebumps.

[Black]

holy fuck, make this happen!


The Hornets, meanwhile, have been looking at Orlando, Charlotte and New Jersey as potentially attractive trade partners once the firestorm settles down, according to one of the people with direct knowledge of the Hornets' strategy. Two other sources familiar with the situation confirmed prior discussions involving the Bobcats and Nets and said those talks are expected to advance in the coming days.

[BlockParty]

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/13671341/after-hornets-meeting-paul-still-seeking-way-out?tag=headlines;nba

Had to get it out there

Best line...."
The Hornets, meanwhile, have been looking at Orlando, Charlotte and New Jersey as potentially attractive trade partners once the firestorm settles down, according to one of the people with direct knowledge of the Hornets' strategy. Two other sources familiar with the situation confirmed prior discussions involving the Bobcats and Nets and said those talks are expected to advance in the coming days. "

George Shinn's redemption to Charlotte (who am I kidding, he's just trying to get every last nickel he can)

[BlockParty]

Orlando, NJ and Charlotte are top 3 teams...here is link on why Orlando doesn't make sense (thank you Chukwuemeka)

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/rumors/post/Magic-couldn-t-take-Paul-considering-Okafor-s-c;_ylt=AsjOhfkze08weYNG.ElHevq8vLYF?urn=nba-258107

[Black]

i feel like i just drank a gallon of coffee...im pumped

[blazenheat09]

I just blew a load...no homo

[teej]

I'll believe it when I see it.

Which means I don't believe it.

[Dlwhite83]

Why does the article on Espn.com . Say he wants to stay put

[BlockParty]

Why does the article on Espn.com . Say he wants to stay put

Because for tonight, the no-hitter in baseball is a bigger story

[dvdbumpus]

New Jersey doesn't have the assets New Orleans is looking for...which would be DOLLARS!

Only 10 million in expiring contracts and not much else to give that's attractive.

[heelsfan525]

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/68371/20100726/paul_still_seeking_way_out_of_new_orleans/

[mrtarheel]

Read the article it says that they are keeping it all in house while undercover they are going to try and trade him. They save face, he saves face by not going public and in the end we get what we want. I don't see why they would want to keep him knowing he won't resign with them and end up like Cleveland. Even if he does come here and leave in 2yrs we have the best 2yrs of our Bobcats life.

[teej]

Read the article it says that they are keeping it all in house while undercover they are going to try and trade him. They save face, he saves face by not going public and in the end we get what we want. I don't see why they would want to keep him knowing he won't resign with them and end up like Cleveland. Even if he does come here and leave in 2yrs we have the best 2yrs of our Bobcats life.

IF he comes, and that's a massive IF, he'd likely stay for a while.

But, I'd say chances are more likely that Larry Brown retires or changes teams before CP3 makes his way to the QC.

[dvdbumpus]

IF he comes, and that's a massive IF, he'd likely stay for a while.

But, I'd say chances are more likely that Larry Brown retires or changes teams before CP3 makes his way to the QC.

He'd then become our version of Lebron. Stud player who we spend whatever it takes to win! I'd be all for it as long as he doesn't do an ESPN special for "the defection PT. 2"

[BlockParty]

CP3 here in next month..Cleveland tanks over next two seasons..LB coaches this season and next and then we hire Byron Scott (CP3's father/big brother figure).

[heelsfan525]

JonRothstein (http://twitter.com/JonRothstein)
Programing Alert....@KBerg_CBS (http://twitter.com/KBerg_CBS) joins me at 10:50 PM on 1050 #ESPN (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23ESPN) NY to talk about the latest with @theoneandonlyCP3 (http://twitter.com/theoneandonlyCP3) and the #Hornets (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23Hornets)

http://espn.go.com/new-york/radio/news/story?page=new-york/listenlive i think this is the right link to listen live...

[mrtarheel]

He'd then become our version of Lebron. Stud player who we spend whatever it takes to win! I'd be all for it as long as he doesn't do an ESPN special for "the defection PT. 2"

I think he might actually stay if he comes. We have a good team with him

CP3, Livingston, Collins
Jax, Henderson, Carroll
Crash, Brown,
TT,
Okafor, Nazr, Diop

I could see more trades to come maybe Najera for Bass and maybe even get Posey out the deal if they will take Diop seeing that they would need a center

[kickazzz2000]

JonRothstein (http://twitter.com/JonRothstein)
Programing Alert....@KBerg_CBS (http://twitter.com/KBerg_CBS) joins me at 10:50 PM on 1050 #ESPN (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23ESPN) NY to talk about the latest with @theoneandonlyCP3 (http://twitter.com/theoneandonlyCP3) and the #Hornets (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23Hornets)

http://espn.go.com/new-york/radio/news/story?page=new-york/listenlive i think this is the right link to listen live...

all i hear is colin cowherd's bitch ass talkin about gotomypc.com\

i need to hear about cp3gotoclt.com damnit

[heelsfan525]

all i hear is colin cowherd's bitch ass talkin about gotomypc.com\

i need to hear about cp3gotoclt.com damnit

ya i think we missed half of it bc of advertisements

[ammofan]

Oh MY GODDDDD!!!!

CP3 to Charlotteeeeee! Yeaaaaaa :)

[rsxnova]

Oh MY GODDDDD!!!!

CP3 to Charlotteeeeee! Yeaaaaaa :)

Make it happen!!!

[Proudiddy]

Omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg!!!!

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I just blasted a wad in my undergarments!!! Go fuck yourself new jersey!!! Go fuck yourself orlando with your porn star head coach!!!

Please make it happen mj!!! Please please please!!!! Let something good happen for us for once!!!!! Yes yes yes!!!!! Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!

[Proudiddy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RnPB76mjxI

[westbrook08]

Look.Espn,and fox,and nba tv,can spin this shit any they want saying it's the lakers or the magic or the knicks,but that is because that is where the MEDIA wants him to go.the fact is we all know george shinn.and if paul really is getting moved this is going to become about money sooner,rather than later.I strongly believe this is our deal to lose,and even if we are not the team he goes to,someone is going to need to go through us from a money standpoint,and we are still looking at a golden opportunity to improve this team.If NJ happened to be the team and we could pry away brook lopez and a first rounder as a 3rd team,and then move diaw a that 1st and maybe take back a small contract for cauldaron,i would still be very happy with that.That's just just an example,but i believe we have more to work with than anyone else right now,so I feel pretty good that positive change is coming.

[stun704]

Look.Espn,and fox,and nba tv,can spin this shit any they want saying it's the lakers or the magic or the knicks,but that is because that is where the MEDIA wants him to go..
Dude stop with the defeatist attitude, the media doesn't control shit, the owners and GMs make the decision at the end of the day and bobcats tops the knicks,magic, and lakers in a deal.

[kickazzz2000]

Dude stop with the defeatist attitude, the media doesn't control shit, the owners and GMs make the decision at the end of the day and bobcats tops the knicks,magic, and lakers in a deal.

take a deep breath...and read what he said again.

[G Wuh Wuh Wuh Wallace]

Dude stop with the defeatist attitude, the media doesn't control shit, the owners and GMs make the decision at the end of the day and bobcats tops the knicks,magic, and lakers in a deal.


Ya man, re-read and then take a chill pill.:facepalm:

[rsxnova]

Dont be to hard on him. We are all just happy we have a shot.

[stun704]

Ya man, re-read and then take a chill pill.:facepalm:
sorry tl;dr, i just read the first line was about, "the media won't allow CP to be traded to charlotte" and assumed thats what the rest of the paragraph was about, i'll shorten the quote too only be responding to that.

[eleaf14]

http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2010/07/oh-surepaul-is-a-lifer-in-new-orleans.html

Bonnell thinks it wont happen, so thats another thing working in our favor...right?

[eleaf14]

and a little more from Bonnell...

http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2010/07/really-ask-what-youd-sacrifice.html

[ammofan]

http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2010/07/oh-surepaul-is-a-lifer-in-new-orleans.html

Bonnell thinks it wont happen, so thats another thing working in our favor...right?

He also said we wouldnt trade for J-Rich and that MJ wouldnt buy into the team

[eleaf14]

I, for one, like Rick...but yeah the Jordan stuff was what I was jabbing about...

"Larry Brown wants this to happen, and I sure understand that desire."

Of all the things I have read regarding Chris Paul and the Bobcats...this had to be my favorite.

[BlockParty]

He also said we wouldnt trade for J-Rich and that MJ wouldnt buy into the team

and about how Captn Jack would never be a good move on Charlotte's part

[ohara831]

Yeah, Bonnell has not been on top of things too much. Not sure if he didn't burn some bridges with the FO and his sources are limited. He better start kissing some butts in the FO if he wants to get some better insight!

[CatNation]

To compare how fans and nonfans compare assets of a team, a guy on hornetsreport said any bobcats offer would have to start with damp+wallace+jackson+dj+hendo+picks+expiring :facepalm:

[ammofan]

To compare how fans and nonfans compare assets of a team, a guy on hornetsreport said any bobcats offer would have to start with damp+wallace+jackson+dj+hendo+picks+expiring :facepalm:

LMAO....why dont we just trade team? Charlotte Hornets baby! hahah

But if they wanted that we would walk away quick

[Toocool]

To compare how fans and nonfans compare assets of a team, a guy on hornetsreport said any bobcats offer would have to start with damp+wallace+jackson+dj+hendo+picks+expiring :facepalm:

That guy on hornets report is a retard. Wallace+Jackson, both of them basically all-stars for one? I don't think so. DJ, Hendo and Nazzy as well? Dream on.

We want CP3, but not that badly. He would come to a team that would look something like this:

CP3/Livingston
Hughes (holy crap)
UPS/Posey
TT/Diaw
Okafor/Diop

Even worse than where he started. UPS and TT are good yes, but hughes at the 2 kills it. So trading the face of our franchise and Cpt Jack, not to mention a much improved Hendo, DJ, Nazzy and picks? Won't happen.

[eleaf14]

and about how Captn Jack would never be a good move on Charlotte's part

If this actually does go down, we should refer to it as "the Bonnell kiss of life" from here on out.

[Proudiddy]

If this actually does go down, we should refer to it as "the Bonnell kiss of life" from here on out.

I hope we can do that soon...

Don't forget this little nugget:

"The Bobcats are NOT interested in Larry Hughes as some of you have suggested"

*Spongebob Announcer Voice* TWO WEEKS LATER

"The Bobcats have signed Larry Hughes for the remainder of the season"

lolz

[BlockParty]

To compare how fans and nonfans compare assets of a team, a guy on hornetsreport said any bobcats offer would have to start with damp+wallace+jackson+dj+hendo+picks+expiring :facepalm:

So what we can take away from the hornets fan is....the oil spill is impacting their ability to think clearly with rational thoughts.

[K1NGofAKR0N]

So what we can take away from the hornets fan is....the oil spill is impacting their ability to think clearly with rational thoughts.

that guy was joking right? about trading all those guys? and just saying if we somehow got cp3 and melo we wudnt be able to sign them to the kinda deals they wud like. especially having emeka okafor too

[CatNation]

So what we can take away from the hornets fan is....the oil spill is impacting their ability to think clearly with rational thoughts.

Just tell them they can soak up all the oil with discarded CP3 jerseys when he gets traded for Dampier+DJ+Henderson lol. Should be more than enough

[dav7z]

Just tell them they can soak up all the oil with discarded CP3 jerseys when he gets traded for Dampier+DJ+Henderson lol. Should be more than enough

Im thinking its going to take Damp , Nazz, DJ, Hendo and a first.

[CatNation]

Im thinking its going to take Damp , Nazz, DJ, Hendo and a first.

more than enough to soak up the oil I mean, I don't think that offer is more than enough at all. I'm still firmly on the non-believer bandwagon

[BlockParty]

More fuel to the fire that CP3 is leaving (or at the very least wants to leave and the press release yesterday about him not requesting a trade is chin music for the NBA and ESPN).

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Ahc1og0sadVJDUZp793YUtC8vLYF?slug=ap-hornets-newera


{Paul said his meeting with Hornets general manager Dell Demps, head coach Monty Williams and team president Hugh Weber on Monday “went really well.” He added that he was “excited” by Williams’ approach to coaching.

Paul even went so far as to say he’s “never been able to envision” continuing his NBA career anywhere but New Orleans, the city where he became an NBA All-Star, the face of his franchise and one of the most popular figures in the community. And yet, when given the chance to say without reservation that he did not want to be traded, Paul said now was not the time.

“There will be a time,” Paul said, trying to repeatedly to turn the focus of his comments back to his work in the community and his camp at Tulane University.

“I stay committed to the city of New Orleans,” Paul said. “Everything else we talked about (in Monday’s meeting with the club), like Mr. Demps said, we want to keep some of that stuff private.”}

[BobCatsFanInTx]

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/13671341/after-hornets-meeting-paul-still-seeking-way-out?tag=headlines;nba

Had to get it out there and here is another good sign for us

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=16922From your second link..."The meeting went well. It was great to get an opportunity to sit down with Coach Williams, President Weber and our new General Manager Dell Demps. I expressed my desire to win and I like what they said about the direction that they want to take the team. I have been a Hornet my entire career and I hope to represent the city of New Orleans and state of Louisiana for many years to come."

Sounds like someone who is resigned to the fact he isn't going anywhere.

[Mustachio]

From your second link..."The meeting went well. It was great to get an opportunity to sit down with Coach Williams, President Weber and our new General Manager Dell Demps. I expressed my desire to win and I like what they said about the direction that they want to take the team. I have been a Hornet my entire career and I hope to represent the city of New Orleans and state of Louisiana for many years to come."

Sounds like someone who is resigned to the fact he isn't going anywhere.



sounds like a guy thats gonna continue to do charity work in his adopted city.

[rsxnova]

I just cant wait for something to happen.

[ammofan]

I just cant wait for something to happen.

Just SOMETHING......Trade Dampier! lol

[CatNation]

found another guy on hornetsreport who thinks they can get Iggy for Okafor. And I thought our fanbase was delusional sometimes...lol

[rsxnova]

found another guy on hornetsreport who thinks they can get Iggy for Okafor. And I thought our fanbase was delusional sometimes...lol

lol Iggy for Okafor? They wont make the same Brand mistake twice.

[CatNation]

just watched a Paul interview where he said he would never not wear #3. Maybe thats why this trade is taking so long to complete :biggrin: Cmon Crash help us out!!

[ammofan]

just watched a Paul interview where he said he would never not wear #3. Maybe thats why this trade is taking so long to complete :biggrin: Cmon Crash help us out!!

I bet Gerald would change his number for CP

[SirBobcat]

I think it's ridiculous these players saying things like "I'll never play a game of basketball without being number 3". Dude, so what if you don't get your desired uniform number? It's the action the court that'll make your legacy...not your stupid jersey number. How about you focus on being a champion and not what number you'll get?

[G-Force]

I think it's ridiculous these players saying things like "I'll never play a game of basketball without being number 3". Dude, so what if you don't get your desired uniform number? It's the action the court that'll make your legacy...not your stupid jersey number. How about you focus on being a champion and not what number you'll get?

Maybe he shouldn't make a statement like that, but you can't blame him for wanting to keep the #3. Its part of his persona and brand.

[SirBobcat]

Maybe he shouldn't make a statement like that, but you can't blame him for wanting to keep the #3. Its part of his persona and brand.

You said it...Part

I'm glad that, like ammofan said, Gerald Wallace wouldn't be one of those people. He plays the game over being involved in a number.

[Dcarnys]

Honestly I don't think a number should be that big of a deal. But I would definetly see Crash changing numbers possibly.

[jdsingar]

I read this on ESPN Insider about the Nets having a shot at Paul:


According to Fred Kerber of the New York Post, the Nets and Hornets have yet to talk about a possible Chris Paul swap since Billy King took over as GM, but that they'll likely make "the obligatory call to see what chance" they have of landing him.

Kerber reported that the Nets would likely have to include rookie Derrick Favors, the team's first-round pick this June, Devin Harris and draft picks to have a shot at Paul.

Not sure how we could compete with that.

[SirBobcat]

Ladies and Gentlemen, if it is indeed true that in order for the Nets to get Chris Paul that they'd have to give up their top 3 pick, another 1st next year, Devin Harris, and additional picks, then we are out of this race (if we were ever in it).

The only way we had a shot was if Shinn was trying to dump salary...which Charlotte has Dampier's monster contract that can be completely taken off immediately along with expirings and two young prospects (Augustin and Henderson). If that's true about the Hornets asking for that price, then we're out folks.

[DY_nasty]

Ladies and Gentlemen, if it is indeed true that in order for the Nets to get Chris Paul that they'd have to give up their top 3 pick, another 1st next year, Devin Harris, and additional picks, then we are out of this race (if we were ever in it).

The only way we had a shot was if Shinn was trying to dump salary...which Charlotte has Dampier's monster contract that can be completely taken off immediately along with expirings and two young prospects (Augustin and Henderson). If that's true about the Hornets asking for that price, then we're out folks.
If the Nets want to give all that up to get Chris Paul (who'll inevitably jet from that void of talent) then by all means let them commit franchise suicide.

[Muttley]

Ladies and Gentlemen, if it is indeed true that in order for the Nets to get Chris Paul that they'd have to give up their top 3 pick, another 1st next year, Devin Harris, and additional picks, then we are out of this race (if we were ever in it).

The only way we had a shot was if Shinn was trying to dump salary...which Charlotte has Dampier's monster contract that can be completely taken off immediately along with expirings and two young prospects (Augustin and Henderson). If that's true about the Hornets asking for that price, then we're out folks.
Yeah, but the hornets really don't need Harris. Worst case scenario, the 'Cats should be able to get Harris while sending Dampier to New Orleans.

[kickazzz2000]

Look. If what James and ourday were right, and they were close to accepting our offer (which sounds more likely to have been the case, now that the media have sorta picked up on it)...that means Shinn liked it.

Last I checked, Shinn's writing the checks. Unless this new GM can somehow convince Shinn that he can improve the team enough to make the return worth it...

What Shinn wants is still what Shinn is going to get. One GM has already apparently fallen onto the axe for this.

Wait for it.

[Scottley Crue]

Yeah, but the hornets really don't need Harris. Worst case scenario, the 'Cats should be able to get Harris while sending Dampier to New Orleans.
I agree with you. New Orleans knows that Collison can run the show and I feel pretty sure that they wouldn't want to take back a PG to get in his way. If we can't get CP3 directly, then I think we can make some nice improvements by being a facilitator. I have little doubt that Shinn is massively interested in Dampier's contract.

[BlockParty]

The only way we had a shot was if Shinn was trying to dump salary

Does a bear shit in the woods?
Does the PGA miss Tiger Woods when he's not on Tour?
Does a NASCAR driver know how to turn left?

Of course that is all Shinn wants to do, which is why we are in the best position (this summer).

[UNCCatFan]

Does a bear shit in the woods?
Does the PGA miss Tiger Woods when he's not on Tour?
Does a NASCAR driver know how to turn left?

Of course that is all Shinn wants to do, which is why we are in the best position (this summer).

beautifully said. we all know george shinn, otherwise known as the second most evil person in history behind Hitler, but a close second. How many times did he trade away Hornets back in the 90's to save a buck. I mean larry johnson and alonzo mourning. There is no way that Nola is gonna take on Devon Harris, and paul will not be happy in NJ.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

Does a bear shit in the woods?
Does the PGA miss Tiger Woods when he's not on Tour?
Does a NASCAR driver know how to turn left?

Of course that is all Shinn wants to do, which is why we are in the best position (this summer).The great thing about possibly being a strong candidate for Paul is being one that few if any outside Bobcats fans believe to be so. I kind of like the idea of us slipping in under the radar and getting CP3!!! I would Jizz in my pants at seeing all the Bobcat haters and dismissers get upset about the transaction.

[CatNation]

The great thing about possibly being a strong candidate for Paul is being one that few if any outside Bobcats fans believe to be so. I kind of like the idea of us slipping in under the radar and getting CP3!!! I would Jizz in my pants at seeing all the Bobcat haters and dismissers get upset about the transaction.

lol if we got him I'll need a CP3 "U Mad" pic to spam alllll over RealGM. I know stun will be right there with me haha

[kickazzz2000]

lol if we got him I'll need a CP3 "U Mad" pic to spam alllll over RealGM. I know stun will be right there with me haha

If this shit goes down, i'm taking a cardboard cutout of MJ with a voice bubble sayin "u mad?", takin the train up from philly to penn station, taking the escalator up and hanging out outside the entrance to msg standin next to that thing. right before the first bobcats knicks game.

[jazzer89]

maybe we can get Devin Harris in a facilitator role in a 3 team trade between us, Hornets and New Jersey. i like the idea of being a facilitator in this kinda of trade because its possible New Jersey would be giving up a bunch of talent and picks for paul while we maybe only give up dampier's contract and a few fillers. (i really dont want to give up on henderson cause he is our backup plan if jackson ever throws a tantrum and wants to be traded)

[b-nukle]

maybe we can get Devin Harris in a facilitator role in a 3 team trade between us, Hornets and New Jersey. i like the idea of being a facilitator in this kinda of trade because its possible New Jersey would be giving up a bunch of talent and picks for paul while we maybe only give up dampier's contract and a few fillers. (i really dont want to give up on henderson cause he is our backup plan if jackson ever throws a tantrum and wants to be traded)

I'd take this if we can't get Chris Paul
http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5649550

[BRNC]

I'm not sure that even the Nets would send Lopez and Williams out...but I like the trade for us...

[G-Force]

I'd take this if we can't get Chris Paul
http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5649550

The Nets have made some really dumb decisions this offseason, but they would never go for that. They would basically trade away the whole team (all the quality players).

I would love that trade if it did happen... B. Lopez is a Beast!!!

[dav7z]

The Nets have made some really dumb decisions this offseason, but they would never go for that. They would basically trade away the whole team (all the quality players).

I would love that trade if it did happen... B. Lopez is a Beast!!!

I havn't seen ANY one confirm any thing at all . I call this thread the hopes and dream thread . You guys do know its about a 90% chance CP3 never plays for Charlotte.
And a even larger chance we land Lopez and Harris.

But i will give you guys this over a 1000 people have read about thease hopes and dreams.

[rsxnova]

I would shit a brick if we landed Lopez.

[kickazzz2000]

And a even larger chance we land Lopez and Harris.



I'm starting to be more ok with that.

Harris Jax Wallace Thomas Lopez = 55 wins

[Proudiddy]

I don't know... Might not happen now, AGAIN, I'm so tired of this...

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/68429/20100729/paul_happy_with_demps_hornets_not_considering_trad e_offers/

[BobCatsFanInTx]

We might get stuck making deals along these lines.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=24cgq9d and

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yjlzsgu

First trade is we send Dampier to the Pacers for Dunleavy and Hansbrough.

Second trade we send Augustine and Diop to the Pacers for TJ Ford.

We can package this all in one trade.

This is not anywhere near the blockbuster that we were hoping for but it does get us a more experienced pg who has had some pretty good seasons as a pg during his career. Under LB who knows what we he could do?

Dunleavy gives us much needed offensive fire power. He may excel with our team.

We get rid of Diop which we have been wanting to do as well as get some rebounding help in Hansbrough. That is if the team does not go for or get Amundson.

The Pacers may want draft picks to take on Diop and if they are not unconditional I can see doing so.

[CatNation]

just waive Dampier and get it over with

[ziggy]

We might get stuck making deals along these lines.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=24cgq9d and

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yjlzsgu

First trade is we send Dampier to the Pacers for Dunleavy and Hansbrough.

Second trade we send Augustine and Diop to the Pacers for *********** TJ Ford.***********+

We can package this all in one trade.

This is not anywhere near the blockbuster that we were hoping for but it does get us a more experienced pg who has had some pretty good seasons as a pg during his career. Under LB who knows what we he could do?

Dunleavy gives us much needed offensive fire power. He may excel with our team.

We get rid of Diop which we have been wanting to do as well as get some rebounding help in Hansbrough. That is if the team does not go for or get Amundson.

The Pacers may want draft picks to take on Diop and if they are not unconditional I can see doing so.

Can't we just all make a pact that TJ Ford's name will never be spoken on this site again?

[Ghost Kat]

Can't we just all make a pact that TJ Ford's name will never be spoken on this site again?

If we pick up TJ Ford I will cover myself in honey then try to pet a Grizzy Bear

[rsxnova]

That trade is bullshit. Not only do we get Ford, but we lose our PG of the future.

[BETCATS]

That trade that someone made up with the Pacers is awful. Getting rid of all 3 of our centers and not getting 1 in return (that 1 being Roy Hibbert) is just epic fail.

[Ampsportsduo]

I don't know... Might not happen now, AGAIN, I'm so tired of this...

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/68429/20100729/paul_happy_with_demps_hornets_not_considering_trad e_offers/

If this was accurate, why would CP not say so publicly? No one would be mad with him saying he's committed to staying in NO and has no desire to move.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

Can't we just all make a pact that TJ Ford's name will never be spoken on this site again?Only problem is that if the Bobcats are going to make any more moves it will be for players along the lines of TJ Ford. This organization does not have the cajones to make a major move.

[Ampsportsduo]

Only problem is that if the Bobcats are going to make any more moves it will be for players along the lines of TJ Ford. This organization does not have the cajones to make a major move.

You just said MJ lacks cajones. Couldn't disagree more.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

That trade is bullshit. Not only do we get Ford, but we lose our PG of the future.He sure as hell isn't seen in a very positive light around the NBA so I think we would be lucky to get rid of him. Also TJ for all his faults has a much better track record than does DJ and also pg's of the future won't be hard to replace in a world where pg's come a dime a dozen.

What we get with my trade scenarios is a solid outside shooter and tough inside guy who will board and a guy who is probably AS GOOD AS WE ARE GOING TO GET THIS SEASON at pg.

[teej]

This organization does not have the cajones to make a major move.

Stephen Jackson says hey. :facepalm:

[BobCatsFanInTx]

You just said MJ lacks cajones. Couldn't disagree more.As a player no but let us see what kind of owner he is. Truth be known if he is any kind of owner he will not be cheap and he will let his basketball guys run things.

Just because MJ was a great player does not mean he will be a very good basketball front office leader. There are guys who do that very well and they don't need MJ to be to intrusive in their business.

If the Bobcats make little piss ant moves when they could at least make a minor splash I will say MJ has no cajones. Last I looked we got hamstrung with a few shitty contracts and very little has been rumored in regards to dealing those. Diaw does not want to be a Bobcat and is one of our few realistically tradeable assets.

I never said my trades would please anybody or that they were a part of my all time wish list but they are probably the closest to what MJ and the Bobcats will do.

When a deal for a real game changer falls through they Bobcats will necessitate a trade to benefit a team like the Pacers in taking their unwanted contracts and players off those teams.

I see the Bobcats being the NBA's Oakland Raiders. They will take other teams cast offs and try to turn them into assets. They already have begun as much.

[teej]

I see the Bobcats being the NBA's Oakland Raiders. They will take other teams cast offs and try to turn them into assets. They already have begun as much.

Fine with me. 3 rings isn't bad.

Until MJ goes senile. That would suck.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

Stephen Jackson says hey. :facepalm:Jax has never been an All Star. I would not consider him a major move. He fit a need and is a mid level talent but he also shoots far too often and tends to make poor in game decisions. So while I like Jax he sure as hell is nowhere along the lines of CP3 or any other player in that level of talent and play.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

Fine with me. 3 rings isn't bad.

Until MJ goes senile. That would suck.Only problem is that teams aren't turning garbage into gold these days. I would rather us get a sure thing rather than take a chance on a guy who MIGHT pan out.

MJ is not senile. He MAY be a cheap owner,"that remains to be seen," and he IS a bit arrogant and COULD be too hardheaded to bend to others suggestions or wills.

Time will tell all though. I want to believe MJ would be willing to push for a move that would bring a perennial all star or two to the team but I am a bit apprehensive on that.

[teej]

Only problem is that teams aren't turning garbage into gold these days. I would rather us get a sure thing rather than take a chance on a guy who MIGHT pan out.

If you don't take a chance, you'll never win. The Lakers took chances on Ron Artest, Andrew Bynum, even Kobe and Fisher back in '96. The New Orleans Saints took major risks in Drew Brees, Darren Sharper, etc. Champions always take chances.


MJ is not senile. He MAY be a cheap owner,"that remains to be seen," and he IS a bit arrogant and COULD be too hardheaded to bend to others suggestions or wills.

My point was Al Davis is beyond senile, and thus the Raiders have sucked for the last 7 seasons. When Al was in his prime, the Silver and Black were the best routinely.

[WAM9]

Now we are comparing MJ to Al Davis...give me a f'ing break.

[teej]

Now we are comparing MJ to Al Davis...give me a f'ing break.

For the next 30 years, I'd like that to be true.

After that, no.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

If you don't take a chance, you'll never win. The Lakers took chances on Ron Artest, Andrew Bynum, even Kobe and Fisher back in '96. The New Orleans Saints took major risks in Drew Brees, Darren Sharper, etc. Champions always take chances.



My point was Al Davis is beyond senile, and thus the Raiders have sucked for the last 7 seasons. When Al was in his prime, the Silver and Black were the best routinely.All those players you mentioned were known talents. As far as the Saints the only real chance they took was on Brees and it was not because he was a questionable talent they were hoping would become great, but because of a major injury that Brees may not return back to normal form from.

Fisher was playing well when the Lakers got him and was a known commodity. Ron Artest so far has had one real major issue. He was and may still be a head case but his talent was All Star worthy. Andrew Bynum was a young man who needed to grow.

I realize that taking a chance never hurts but the teams who take chances are the ones who have been top three seeds in years past and have advanced in the playoffs. They can afford to make a mistake or two. They have the kind of guys and chemistry that can overcome problem players or players who don't perform up to their talent.

The Bobcats imo need a sure fire All Star talent that will unify the team and who has experienced at least winning one playoff series.

Not only that but getting a popular NBA player puts butts in seats even when the team struggles. Crash is the face of the franchise but I feel the team needs something better than Jax to unite with him for the sake of the Bobcats being on national TV and selling out their arena.

As far as Al being senile, I just think the Raiders of the seventies through the early 80's were very lucky.

[Ampsportsduo]

As a player no but let us see what kind of owner he is.

That's all anyone is advocating. In my world, saying a man lacks juevos is passing judgment.


Truth be known if he is any kind of owner he will not be cheap and he will let his basketball guys run things.

Just because MJ was a great player does not mean he will be a very good basketball front office leader. There are guys who do that very well and they don't need MJ to be to intrusive in their business.

Having MJ as an owner will be a tremendous advantage and to refuse to use it would be foolish. Every owner is involved in personnel decisions particularly when the luxury tax is involved, to ask him to stay out of it is unfair.



If the Bobcats make little piss ant moves when they could at least make a minor splash I will say MJ has no cajones.

You already made that statement.


Last I looked we got hamstrung with a few shitty contracts and very little has been rumored in regards to dealing those.

No team has fewer beat writers than the Bobcats. That plays a big part in the lack of rumors. When a team's only beat writer is talking about Chris Paul two weeks after he's being discussed on local radio and its all over message boards it shows you what we're working with. Just because "rumors" aren't floating around doesn't mean the team isn't active. It's foolish to assume it does.


I never said my trades would please anybody or that they were a part of my all time wish list but they are probably the closest to what MJ and the Bobcats will do.

When a deal for a real game changer falls through they Bobcats will necessitate a trade to benefit a team like the Pacers in taking their unwanted contracts and players off those teams.

So again, have you passed judgment or not? Certainly seems like you have.


I see the Bobcats being the NBA's Oakland Raiders. They will take other teams cast offs and try to turn them into assets. They already have begun as much.

The man has owned the team for less than a year and you're comparing him to Al Davis? Laughable. Filing this post under Haters gonna Hate.

[teej]

All those players you mentioned were known talents. As far as the Saints the only real chance they took was on Brees and it was not because he was a questionable talent they were hoping would become great, but because of a major injury that Brees may not return back to normal form from.

Fisher was playing well when the Lakers got him and was a known commodity. Ron Artest so far has had one real major issue. He was and may still be a head case but his talent was All Star worthy. Andrew Bynum was a young man who needed to grow.

I realize that taking a chance never hurts but the teams who take chances are the ones who have been top three seeds in years past and have advanced in the playoffs. They can afford to make a mistake or two. They have the kind of guys and chemistry that can overcome problem players or players who don't perform up to their talent.

The Bobcats imo need a sure fire All Star talent that will unify the team and who has experienced at least winning one playoff series.

Not only that but getting a popular NBA player puts butts in seats even when the team struggles. Crash is the face of the franchise but I feel the team needs something better than Jax to unite with him for the sake of the Bobcats being on national TV and selling out their arena.

As far as Al being senile, I just think the Raiders of the seventies through the early 80's were very lucky.

I disagree with almost every part of your post.

Kobe was drafted #13, as a HS kid. No one knew he would be an All-Star, much less a Top 10 player of All-Time.

Bynum was picked when they were "losing," so that's hardly a top 3 seed taking a risk. He's part of the reason Kobe almost left.

As far as trying to acquire an All-Star, I'd be shocked if the 'Cats haven't tried to get CP3. I don't think they'll ultimately win, but they'll try like hell. There are times when you just cannot get someone like that. It was a coin flip (effectively) that kept us from getting Dwight Howard. We were in line to get Deron Williams or Chris Paul, but Bernie and the lottery fucked up. If Bernie hadn't talked MJ into AmMo, there could be Brandon Roy or LMA in the lineup. Same thing with DJ/Lopez.

This franchise is 6 years old. MJ has only been around for 4 years. In that time, he's taken a team with Derek Anderson, Primoz Brezec and Brevin Knight and turned it into Stephen Jackson, Tyrus Thomas and Boris Diaw.

Find me a move that is by consensus an MJ decision that hasn't panned out.

[Ampsportsduo]

All those players you mentioned were known talents. As far as the Saints the only real chance they took was on Brees and it was not because he was a questionable talent they were hoping would become great, but because of a major injury that Brees may not return back to normal form from.

Fisher was playing well when the Lakers got him and was a known commodity. Ron Artest so far has had one real major issue. He was and may still be a head case but his talent was All Star worthy. Andrew Bynum was a young man who needed to grow.

I realize that taking a chance never hurts but the teams who take chances are the ones who have been top three seeds in years past and have advanced in the playoffs. They can afford to make a mistake or two. They have the kind of guys and chemistry that can overcome problem players or players who don't perform up to their talent.

The Bobcats imo need a sure fire All Star talent that will unify the team and who has experienced at least winning one playoff series.

Not only that but getting a popular NBA player puts butts in seats even when the team struggles. Crash is the face of the franchise but I feel the team needs something better than Jax to unite with him for the sake of the Bobcats being on national TV and selling out their arena.

As far as Al being senile, I just think the Raiders of the seventies through the early 80's were very lucky.

Always going for "known entities" means you are constantly paying the premium. Very difficult to trade for these players, because well they're very good and even if you can teams often have to trade too much to get them. Think Minnesota got a good deal when they trade unknowns for a great known entity in Herschel Walker?

The Magic had Jameer Nelson, JJ Redick, Matt Barnes and Mickael Pietrus playing big roles for their team. The Celtics had Rajon Rondo, Kendrick Perkins and Big Baby. The Suns had everyone not named Nash or Stoudamire. Who amongst those would you consider a known entity? Even Dwight Howard was an unknown when the Magic selected him #1 overall. Perhaps they should have traded him for someone known.

I'm sure no one on here or in the organization would disagree that the team would benefit from having a perennial All-Star that can pack a house and get a team on national TV, but there's just not that many of those guys. A handful at most. You're oversimplifying assembling a team and ripping the management for living in the real world instead of a world where you can pick up an All-Star at the mall. Maybe they should just make a FB request for one and hope a friend sends them one like they're playing Farmville.

[rsxnova]

He sure as hell isn't seen in a very positive light around the NBA so I think we would be lucky to get rid of him. Also TJ for all his faults has a much better track record than does DJ and also pg's of the future won't be hard to replace in a world where pg's come a dime a dozen.

What we get with my trade scenarios is a solid outside shooter and tough inside guy who will board and a guy who is probably AS GOOD AS WE ARE GOING TO GET THIS SEASON at pg.

Hey, i just want you to know when i say bullshit im not saying it about your work. Im just a believer in giving DJ a chance first instead of settlling for the TJ Fords/Sessions of the NBA.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

Hey, i just want you to know when i say bullshit im not saying it about your work. Im just a believer in giving DJ a chance first instead of settlling for the TJ Fords/Sessions of the NBA.I can understand that and I actually agree. I was really doing that trade so as to show what kind of trade if any the Bobcats will make.

I went along those lines because I read that the Pacers would like to rid themselves of Dunleavy and/or Ford in a trade. That and Ford was a pg our front office was interested in at one point in time.

It just would not surprise me if our FO didn't oblige a team like the Pacers and take what they don't want while holding on to players like Diop.

[thesnowman22]

we need to stick with dj and livingston and save clear cap space for the future.

[stun704]

I wana chime in on the CP3 situation real quick for those that are losing hope, 2 things, 1) we haven't waived Dampier yet, 2) the CBS sports writer that included us in the running to land CP3 said it would get quiet as far as trade talks go before he is actually traded, i'm assuming so that his stock will go back up and after his basketball camp is over.

[rsxnova]

I wana chime in on the CP3 situation real quick for those that are losing hope, 2 things, 1) we haven't waived Dampier yet, 2) the CBS sports writer that included us in the running to land CP3 said it would get quiet as far as trade talks go before he is actually traded, i'm assuming so that his stock will go back up and after his basketball camp is over.

I hope this is true because the CP3 to Magic stuff is back up again.