People who criticize Jordan for drafting Kwame Brown are shortsighted FOOLS

[EC123]

Everyone **NOW** knows that Kwame Brown turned out to be a bust.

Just because you **NOW** know that does not mean that it was clear **BACK THEN** before Kwame Brown was drafted.

In fact, Kwame Brown was a CONSENSUS Top 3 draft pick in the 2001 Draft Class by most sources. Look at this guy's assessment of Brown (http://www.foulshots.com/Analysis/2001nbadraftscouting.htm).

Drafting a CONSENSUS pick at #1? Clearly what one would be expected to do. So for people to even act like Jordan's decision to draft Kwame Brown was a **BAD** one, is an example of just how stupid human beings can be.

Most would have done the same thing. Besides, most players in that draft class didn't turn out to be anything special anyway. If Jordan had drafted Tony Parker at #1, he'd have been crucified for it in the press **BACK THEN**.

If you want to criticize Jordan for coming back to play, and probably putting too much pressure on Kwame and potentially scarring a teenager who hadn't "gotten it" yet, that's one thing, but for people to call the pick a bad pick just because of what they know now, is, I must say, f_cking stupid.

[rsxnova]

You think we would understand that with all the Ammo, May, DJ what if's.

[ALuhrs704]

lets not put DJ in that catagory yet. i wanted brook lopez like every1 else, but i still think dj can play.

[Chef]

Everyone **NOW** knows that Kwame Brown turned out to be a bust.

Just because you **NOW** know that does not mean that it was clear **BACK THEN** before Kwame Brown was drafted.

In fact, Kwame Brown was a CONSENSUS Top 3 draft pick in the 2001 Draft Class by most sources. Look at this guy's assessment of Brown (http://www.foulshots.com/Analysis/2001nbadraftscouting.htm).

Drafting a CONSENSUS pick at #1? Clearly what one would be expected to do. So for people to even act like Jordan's decision to draft Kwame Brown was a **BAD** one, is an example of just how stupid human beings can be.

Most would have done the same thing. Besides, most players in that draft class didn't turn out to be anything special anyway. If Jordan had drafted Tony Parker at #1, he'd have been crucified for it in the press **BACK THEN**.

If you want to criticize Jordan for coming back to play, and probably putting too much pressure on Kwame and potentially scarring a teenager who hadn't "gotten it" yet, that's one thing, but for people to call the pick a bad pick just because of what they know now, is, I must say, f_cking stupid.

good points. the only player in the top 3 would have been gasol

[GoBobs]

I have been saying this for years. If he didn't pick Brown it was going to be Chandler or Curry.

[ND22]

The Wizards needed a big and Kwame looked liked the best potential big man in that class, just like Greg Oden did a few years ago. I don't blame him at all. Hell this wouldn't even that big a deal if Jordan hadn't been with the Wizards.

[Toocool]

The drop down from Kwame to Tyson frickin Chandler? 1.3 points and 3.4 rebounds and can barely stay on the court through injuries or fouls. Eddy Curry? Fat and in debt.

I do also believe that I would of picked Kwame if I were MJ in that situation, as he was the best player available at the time.

[EC123]

The drop down from Kwame to Tyson frickin Chandler? 1.3 points and 3.4 rebounds and can barely stay on the court through injuries or fouls. Eddy Curry? Fat and in debt.

I do also believe that I would of picked Kwame if I were MJ in that situation, as he was the best player available at the time.

Exactly, so tell me why people constantly smear Jordan's career as an executive with the name "Kwame Brown". Laugh at the idea of Jordan in the front office, using Kwame Brown as the punchline.

Because they are shortsighted and clearly know nothing, that's why.

Again, if people want to ridicule Jordan for coming back to play instead of letting guys like Kwame develop without having to play in his shadow, fine...I'm all for it.

But, the Brown pick was clearly the right one at the time...even now if you look back at that class, he'd probably still be a lottery pick.

[BlockParty]

Guys (and gals if you are reading) calm down. Don't let the media drive your opinion or misconceptions. The media, especially with regards to sports, is all about "What have you done for me lately". John Fox is hands down the best Panther coach ever, and if they start the season 0-3 the media (and fans encouraged by the media) will be asking for his head on a platter.

MJ's first decision as an executive didn't work out (it doesn't matter that his decision would've been made by 75%+ of every other NBA executives that season). As a player he dictated what interviews the media got and didn't get, and to say he was rubbed the wrong way and held a grudge against the media in general, is an understatement. He had huge battles with them regarding going to Atlantic City to gamble with his Dad during the playoffs and they destroyed him when he played baseball. So to say he would snub the media is probably also an understatement.

The media became a necessary evil to MJ, when he didn't experience immediate success as an NBA executive, the writers sensed blood and haven't let up since. They won't let up until he does something great (like San Antonio drafting Tony Parker and Manu Ginoboli, like the Lakers trade for Gasol, like Riley orchestrating getting Lebron, Wade and Bosh). Heck the 3 best moves MJ has been able to take credit for is moving Juwan Howard's horrible contract in Washington, hiring LB and the trade for Jackson.

Time heals all wounds, but a good trade would be like a cure for the common cold.

[DY_nasty]

To all the people talking about Curry, Chandler, and Kwame being the only options... you're wrong.

Washington's FO was set to move their #1 pick and some filler for Elton Brand - MJ strong armed them into picking Kwame. Jus sayin.

[EC123]

To all the people talking about Curry, Chandler, and Kwame being the only options... you're wrong.

Washington's FO was set to move their #1 pick and some filler for Elton Brand - MJ strong armed them into picking Kwame. Jus sayin.

Prognosticators were calling Kwame Brown a potential Kevin Garnett.

Who would you have wanted in 2001: Kevin Garnett or Elton Brand?

[DY_nasty]

Prognosticators were calling Kwame Brown a potential Kevin Garnett.

Who would you have wanted in 2001: Kevin Garnett or Elton Brand?
Again... just sayin

Lets say that the Wizards had opportunity to use the #1 pick this year to trade for Derek Rose. Its pretty much the same thing. You have the chance to trade for a guy thats already established himself as one of the best young players in the NBA and in the top 10 at the position - OR - you can gamble on a young guy who's got loads of hype and unless he's a colossal failure, no one will blame you.

MJ gambled and lost, I certainly don't hold it against him nor should anyone else. I'm just throwing the rest of the story out there so that people at least know that there was more to it than just the draft process itself. Most of the 2001 draft is full of all-around bad decisions anyways.

[dvdbumpus]

I think these things are ironic:


takes far too many three-pointers


He can handle the ball like a guard and has a good-looking stroke from 15 to 17 feet.

Where have these skills been? I never knew he had 3 point capability.

[Absinthe]

Teams have to know when to draft diamonds in the rough. Look at the San Antonio Spurs, for example. Their front office is fantastic because they routinely pick up major talent in the late first round/early second round area. Manu Ginobili was drafted with the 57th pick. Tony Parker was a 28th pick. They also drafted Luis Scola at 27th (Rnd. 2). George Hill was taken 26th. Dejuan Blair was taken 37th. Then you have Tiago Splitter. Sure, he decided to play in Europe for several years, but he's supposed to be a great player.

Drafting may as well be completely random in sports because a lot of players simply don't live up to the hype and others don't even pan out. Kwame Brown was one of those players. Was it the right thing to do by taking him as a high draft pick? Probably, but it still stings. Charlotte deserves every single bit of shit they get for drafting Morrison so I don't see why Jordan shouldn't deserve criticisms leveled at him over Kwame.

[EC123]

Again... just sayin

Lets say that the Wizards had opportunity to use the #1 pick this year to trade for Derek Rose. Its pretty much the same thing. You have the chance to trade for a guy thats already established himself as one of the best young players in the NBA and in the top 10 at the position - OR - you can gamble on a young guy who's got loads of hype and unless he's a colossal failure, no one will blame you.

MJ gambled and lost, I certainly don't hold it against him nor should anyone else. I'm just throwing the rest of the story out there so that people at least know that there was more to it than just the draft process itself. Most of the 2001 draft is full of all-around bad decisions anyways.

If the guy they're going to use the pick on is being called the next Jordan or the next Shaq or the next Kobe or Garnett, he's going to be drafted, period.

Should Cleveland have traded the rights to the #1 that got them LeBron for several great seasons? I'm sure they had suitors dangling some pretty good bait.

So what. You don't pass on the so-called next great thing. Only knock against Kwame at the time was effort and the usual no college. Other than that, there was not much to think about. No more than thinking about John Wall when he was drafted.

You can say all you do now, in hindsight, but drafting Kwame Brown at #1 was no more of a gamble than drafting anybody else there.

[EC123]

Teams have to know when to draft diamonds in the rough. Look at the San Antonio Spurs, for example. Their front office is fantastic because they routinely pick up major talent in the late first round/early second round area. Manu Ginobili was drafted with the 57th pick. Tony Parker was a 28th pick. They also drafted Luis Scola at 27th (Rnd. 2). George Hill was taken 26th. Dejuan Blair was taken 37th. Then you have Tiago Splitter. Sure, he decided to play in Europe for several years, but he's supposed to be a great player.

Drafting may as well be completely random in sports because a lot of players simply don't live up to the hype and others don't even pan out. Kwame Brown was one of those players. Was it the right thing to do by taking him as a high draft pick? Probably, but it still stings. Charlotte deserves every single bit of shit they get for drafting Morrison so I don't see why Jordan shouldn't deserve criticisms leveled at him over Kwame.

Comparing Morrison's draft status to Brown's is ridiculous. No one was projecting Morrison to be the next Jerry West. There were way more doubts surrounding Morrison than Kwame Brown.

The Morrison pick is the one that should haunt Jordan. Brown would have been picked first by whatever team had the pick.

Jordan should ONLY be criticized for his decision to come back and play. I think that pressure damaged Brown tremendously.

Not most 18 yo could handle it.

[DY_nasty]

Comparing Morrison's draft status to Brown's is ridiculous. No one was projecting Morrison to be the next Jerry West. There were way more doubts surrounding Morrison than Kwame Brown.

The Morrison pick is the one that should haunt Jordan. Brown would have been picked first by whatever team had the pick.

Jordan should ONLY be criticized for his decision to come back and play. I think that pressure damaged Brown tremendously.

Not most 18 yo could handle it.
lol wat

Kwame was still a high school kid. Morrison was the college GOAT or something close at the time. Jerry West? Fuck that - BIRD 2.0

http://i36.tinypic.com/34ipmps.jpg

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/adam-morrison


Strengths: A special talent ... Old school right down to the stripes on the socks ... Like a coach on the floor ... Incredibly competitive ... The game comes very easily to him ... A great player in the half court ... Can create offense for himself or others ... Really excels with the ball in his hands at the top of the key ... Very good scorer with complete offensive repertoire ... Effortless shooting stroke ... Has great anticipation and basketball understanding ... Great intangibles, competes and inspires others to play hard ... Hard worker ... Plays with great intensity and aggressiveness ... Fundamentally solid, does all the little things to help his team win ... A true competitor. Will not back down from anyone ... Wants to take the big shot ... Sees the floor well, and is creative finding teammates for baskets ... Catches and shoots, or can shoot on the move ... Great at moving without the ball ... Finds a way to score against better athletes ... Great leadership ability ...

Weaknesses: Not especially gifted athletically ... Lacks great foot speed getting out into transition ... Runs decent, but needs a head of steam ...Better hand speed than foot speed ... Leaping ability is average ... Plays hard on defense but lacks great lateral quickness ... Lack of a great first step will make it harder to get shots off against superior athletes ...http://www.draftexpress.com/article/West-Coast-Swing-Adam-Morrison-Workout-1327/

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Adam-Morrison-NBA-Draft-Scouting-Report-2790/

Read up on the greatness.

[Dcarnys]

Thats the thing about draftology (hehe) is that you have no idea how things can work out until they happen. Sure Kwame was a bust so was Ammo, but noone thought that at first. God rest his soul but what happens if in the future another Len Bias type issue happens? You never know what you're gonna get in the draft .

Just look at the list thats here, how many people on that list acctualy lived up to their potential? Crash, J-Rich, Gasol, Arenas, Joe Johnson, Tony Parker? Sure theres others but common look at some people on that list too Kwame, Diop, Brian friggin Scalabrine. You just cant tell until it's too late.

[DY_nasty]

Thats the thing about draftology (hehe) is that you have no idea how things can work out until they happen. Sure Kwame was a bust so was Ammo, but noone thought that at first. God rest his soul but what happens if in the future another Len Bias type issue happens? You never know what you're gonna get in the draft .

Just look at the list thats here, how many people on that list acctualy lived up to their potential? Crash, J-Rich, Gasol, Arenas, Joe Johnson, Tony Parker? Sure theres others but common look at some people on that list too Kwame, Diop, Brian friggin Scalabrine. You just cant tell until it's too late.
Well, there is a bit of truth in that because the top 7 picks are where FOs are usually slaves to hype and external opinions...

After that point though, a good scouting department and a solid player development process are what make a huge difference. Having none makes you terrible. Having one and not the other makes you an average team at best. Both? You're good to go.

Bobcats don't develop talent at all. Wallace is the only player to ever get significantly better during his time here and if that continues, the team's ceiling will stay low.

[EC123]

lol wat

Kwame was still a high school kid. Morrison was the college GOAT or something close at the time. Jerry West? Fuck that - BIRD 2.0

http://i36.tinypic.com/34ipmps.jpg

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/adam-morrison

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/West-Coast-Swing-Adam-Morrison-Workout-1327/

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Adam-Morrison-NBA-Draft-Scouting-Report-2790/

Read up on the greatness.Maybe I missed that by ignoring it all and demanding that the Bobcats draft someone other than Morrison. I didn't want Rudy Gay either. I still say in the right situation, Gerald Green could have become a decent player.

He had more upside than Morrison, regardless of morrison's championship with the Lakers or his name still being listed on a roster.

Couldn't have turned out much worse than Morrison's time here did.

[DY_nasty]

Maybe I missed that by ignoring it all and demanding that the Bobcats draft someone other than Morrison. I didn't want Rudy Gay either. I still say in the right situation, Gerald Green could have become a decent player.

He had more upside than Morrison, regardless of morrison's championship with the Lakers or his name still being listed on a roster.

Couldn't have turned out much worse than Morrison's time here did.
Gerald Green is your typical crazy athlete with upside and all that blah blah blah but has no clue how to play organized basketball.

He'll be lucky to make an NBA roster this season at all. He's a complete failure that most saw coming a mile away.

[teej]

Just would like to note, MJ wanted Roy but once Roy refused to work out, MJ caved into Bernie wanting AmMo. While it was ultimately Jordan's call, he didn't want AmMo. Just like Pat Riley didn't want Michael Beasley.

[DY_nasty]

Just would like to note, MJ wanted Roy but once Roy refused to work out, MJ caved into Bernie wanting AmMo. While it was ultimately Jordan's call, he didn't want AmMo. Just like Pat Riley didn't want Michael Beasley.
Pat Riley didn't want Wade either. He had to basically be locked in another room while Miami made the pick.

[teej]

Pat Riley didn't want Wade either. He had to basically be locked in another room while Miami made the pick.

Just goes to show even the best can screw up royally.

[EC123]

Gerald Green is your typical crazy athlete with upside and all that blah blah blah but has no clue how to play organized basketball.

He'll be lucky to make an NBA roster this season at all. He's a complete failure that most saw coming a mile away.Most are idiots, just like you.

He was a high school kid with more natural ability than many drafted ahead of him.

He's no different than Kwame Brown, other than not being 6'11 which can always earn you a roster spot.

[DY_nasty]

Most are idiots, just like you.

He was a high school kid with more natural ability than many drafted ahead of him.

He's no different than Kwame Brown, other than not being 6'11 which can always earn you a roster spot.
So now I'm an idiot? Don't get mad and resort to some weak ass name calling just because I throw out a point that shakes up your stance on something. Grow up.

Gerald Green, Joe Alexander, Joey Graham, Dorrell Wright, Ndubi Ebi ... all 1st round freak athlete swingmen who suck at everything that has to do with a basketball. They were all guys who lived on athleticism alone and got exposed the second they stepped on to a basketball court. Not in a 'oh, they just need a little work/patience' but in a 'omfg, these guys are HORRIBLE' way. Gerald Green in particular had no other skills than being huge, having a great verticle, and a jumper that was streaky enough to warrant an investment. He was never good at anything else.

I can understand wanting a guy to succeed, I want Dorrell Wright to turn it around in GS, but at the same time its okay to be want a guy to do well AND acknowledge the fact that he's terrible at the same time.

Kwame, even with his hands of stone and Mr. Magoo court awareness, is still a serviceable center. He's a big body and he's going to give any team who picks him up consistent goon play in the paint without missing any games - which is something we're definitely going to need from the center position on this team in particular.

[teej]

So now I'm an idiot? Don't get mad and resort to some weak ass name calling just because I throw out a point that shakes up your stance on something. Grow up.


EC123 has been given an infraction for that, he knows not to say it again...hopefully.