DUST... Week???

[RMT]

Bobcats Get: Melo, Ty Lawson, & Jr Smith

Nuggets Get: Stephen Jackson,Gerald Wallace,and DJ Augustin

Bobcats New Lineup

PG:Lawson/Livington
SG:JR/Carrol/Henderson
SF:Melo/D.Brown/Mcguire
PF:Thomas/Diaw/Najera
C:Naz/K.Brown/Diop

Nuggets New Roster:

PG:Billiups/Augusin
SG:Jackson/Affalo
SF:Wallace
PF:Martin/Harrington/Balkman
C:Nene/Birdman

Bobcats Gets Younger and add fire power.Nuggets Get great players for losing melo and are a now much better defensive Team. I know its a risk cause melo could leave us but sometime you have to take risks in order to get to that next step. what you guys think?

[Black]

No thanks.

[Weezy21]

melo wouldnt wanna sign an extension to come play on that team

[The Prodigy]

No way would I even think about that trade. Not only would we lose Wallace, but we would essentially be using a worse version of the Nuggets last year.

Melo isnt happy because the Nuggets arent winning, if we started that lineup people would be laughing at us, because 2 of those guys didnt even start last year for the Nuggets, if I remember correctly.

[RMT]

No way would I even think about that trade. Not only would we lose Wallace, but we would essentially be using a worse version of the Nuggets last year.

Melo isnt happy because the Nuggets arent winning, if we started that lineup people would be laughing at us, because 2 of those guys didnt even start last year for the Nuggets, if I remember correctly.

lawson was a rookie last year playing behind the vet billiups and alot of people think lawson gonna be a great pg in this league

[CatNation]

ahahaha no

[Absinthe]

Are you crazy?

It's becoming more and more obvious that the Bobcats need to try to get Nene and Billups over Melo. Melo will never come here if Charlotte had to gut the team to get him. Hint: they'd have to gut the team to get him so he's never coming here.

[Chef]

Are you crazy?

It's becoming more and more obvious that the Bobcats need to try to get Nene and Billups over Melo. Melo will never come here if Charlotte had to gut the team to get him. Hint: they'd have to gut the team to get him so he's never coming here.

we won't get both nene and billups. billups maybe, if they decide to totally rebuild. nene has more value. okc could offer jeff green, cole aldrich and take back some bad contracts. they would definitely want nene too.

[LiquidWayno]

if we started Lawson, JR, Melo, Thomas & Kwame would be the most hood team in the league...and we would be worse than now.

[mrtarheel]

Billups and Nene could be had if the right trade came about. It isn't out of the question but it would be a reach, but being that he is still injured a 2yr 6mill Diop is better financially than a 2yr 11mil injured Nene any day.

[Demon DeaCat]

If I thought there was any chance we'd actually keep Melo beyond next year I'd do this deal in a heartbeat. Melo is better than GW. We need to accept that. He's a top 10 talent whose presence would allow us to attract other elite talent. We'd actually have a shot at the likes of Chris Paul if he was here. Jax's best days are behind him. He's on the decline while Smith probably hasn't reached his potential yet. Plus it would get us out of Jax's long contract in exchange for a cheaper, younger, yet still highly productive player. Jax is 32. GW is 28, but has the wear and tear of a 30 or 31 year old guy. We've gotten the best these guys have to offer. If we can sell high and cash in on them both coming off great years I think it would be advisable to do so.

The fact that Melo would bolt at the end of the season is the only reason I wouldn't do it, but if it happened and he were to stay, I'm confident this would prove to be a good trade for us long term.

[BRNC]

I would easily pass on this deal...

[teej]

Guys...Carmelo is not staying in Charlotte.

Our best bet is to rape a third team that is getting Carmelo.

[BRNC]

It might be possible to be a facilitator in a trade that moves Melo and come out ahead...but straight-up with the Nuggets I could easily see us as a weaker team...

The major problem (for us) is having a third team with cap so we could take less back...only way I see us winning even as a facilitator...that's going to be difficult to pull off...:g:

[dvdbumpus]

It might be possible to be a facilitator in a trade that moves Melo and come out ahead...but straight-up with the Nuggets I could easily see us as a weaker team...

The major problem (for us) is having a third team with cap so we could take less back...only way I see us winning even as a facilitator...that's going to be difficult to pull off...:g:

Let me bring up Oklahoma City or New Jersey? Hook me up with some of OKC's young talent!

[ziggy]

12 days, 14 hours, 11 minutes, 3 seconds left... Just sayin'.


We should do something special around here that day, Any suggestions?

[CatNation]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGdU3rr_nkI&feature=fvst

we can all learn how to do The Wave

[ziggy]

we can all learn how to do The Wave


I do 2000 of those every morning before breakfast :biggrin:

[BlockParty]

We should do something special around here that day, Any suggestions?

We land a member of Team USA's A team (the guys that are too good to be playing this summer) and we should meet at the Cable Box for the announcement....Ziggy you can be the dancer in the front.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwRo0iCvoYE&feature=related

[CatNation]

We land a member of Team USA's A team (the guys that are too good to be playing this summer) and we should meet at the Cable Box for the announcement....Ziggy you can be the dancer in the front.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwRo0iCvoYE&feature=related

I feel like you stole my avatar :g:

[BlockParty]

I feel like you stole my avatar :g:

:g:Not intentionally...I went to google images, searched for Gerald Wallace Block....my alias shows a bit of an affection towards good defense http://www.google.com/images?rlz=1T4RNSN_enUS390US392&q=gerald%20wallace%20block&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi

I will look for a replacement though

[CatNation]

:g:Not intentionally...I went to google images, searched for Gerald Wallace Block....my alias shows a bit of an affection towards good defense http://www.google.com/images?rlz=1T4RNSN_enUS390US392&q=gerald%20wallace%20block&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi

I will look for a replacement though

lol I'm just playin I don't care. its a sweet pic

[BlockParty]

Done...GW introducing Brandon Jennings to the NBA

[Toocool]

Well...I could teach you all how to do the Melbourne Shuffle :biggrin:

Honestly though, I would suggest Ziggy wax his chest, and crank out the pink bikini and the workable pole for us all, then he can finally come out of the closet.

If not, we can always have Toocool appreciation day. Everyone can sing praises of how I have continually led us through the dark ages of the off-season and into the new season with seemingly no hope with DJ starting :)

[teej]

Well...I could teach you all how to do the Melbourne Shuffle :biggrin:

Can you teach us how to Dougie?


Honestly though, I would suggest Ziggy wax his chest, and crank out the pink bikini and the workable pole for us all, then he can finally come out of the closet.

My virgin eyes!


If not, we can always have Toocool appreciation day. Everyone can sing praises of how I have continually led us through the dark ages of the off-season and into the new season with seemingly no hope with DJ starting :)

Yeah, uh, no.

:p

[Toocool]

Can you teach us how to Dougie?

Dougie??? No idea what that is...



My virgin eyes!

Lies! I know what you did last summer! And the summer before that, and the summer before that.


Yeah, uh, no.

:p

Uhh, yeah! Better than Teej appreciation day. Toocool > Teej

[rsxnova]

The Nets wont trade Lopez for Melo but offered Favors, Harris, and draft picks. Can someone work the Dust and make it a three team trade. I dont see the Nuggs wanting Harris.

It also mentions the Warriors offering Curry/Beans.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/68921/20100831/nets_unwilling_to_offer_lopez_for_melo_as_denver_h ears_trade_offers/

[teej]

Dougie??? No idea what that is...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HY9uZWCh4go



Lies! I know what you did last summer! And the summer before that, and the summer before that.


And that would be...?


Toocool > Teej

:bs:

[Chef]

melo to nj and us netting either chauncey or harris for damp.

either way, i think we are squarely in the melo dealings as a (silent) third party. no major reports about the DUST to denver = very good possibility that it could happen.

[rsxnova]

I posted this a few mins ago. I think it seems like it too.

The Nets wont trade Lopez for Melo but offered Favors, Harris, and draft picks. Can someone work the Dust and make it a three team trade. I dont see the Nuggs wanting Harris.

It also mentions the Warriors offering Curry/Beans.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_ar..._trade_offers/ (http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/68921/20100831/nets_unwilling_to_offer_lopez_for_melo_as_denver_h ears_trade_offers/)

[ammofan]

I wish we could get somebody.....Maybe Denver can give up K-Mart or something and we get him and Harris? Somehow....idk just a thought.

[ammofan]

Are we actually expecting a deal on Dustday? Couldnt it happen after?

[BRNC]

I'd welcome Chauncey or Harris with open arms...:biggrin:

[SWedd523]

Dumb as hell if Golden State offers Steph for Melo. Dumb. As. Hell.

[BRNC]

I'd really like to see us turn (the Dust chip) this into a quality PG and any Melo trade might give us that chance...

[teej]

Dumb as hell if Golden State offers Steph for Melo. Dumb. As. Hell.

Pretty much.

Melo isn't a max player, Steph could be.

And Chauncey/Curry/Smith/Martin/Nene with Beans or Birdman and Lawson on the bench is beastly. They could move Birdman or Beans somewhere else for a wing and they'd be super-contenders.

[Chef]

Pretty much.

Melo isn't a max player, Steph could be.

And Chauncey/Curry/Smith/Martin/Nene with Beans or Birdman and Lawson on the bench is beastly. They could move Birdman or Beans somewhere else for a wing and they'd be super-contenders.

gs isn't trading curry for melo. curry for paul, maybe.

[Woodsy23]

I reckon we should do a repeat of the magic number thread in this thread everyone post a funny picture representing the number of days til Dust Day, i thought it was hilarious but maybe im on my own here either that or looking for anyway to liven up this boring period :biggrin::biggrin:

[SWedd523]

I think facilitating a deal with Melo to New Jersey is in our best interest. Some quick tinkering with the trade checker gave me the following:

Scenario 1--no Crash
CHA out: Dampier, Augustin, 1 First
CHA in: Harris, Williams

NJ out: Harris, Williams, Favors, Murphy, 1 First
NJ in: Melo, Augustin, Smith

DEN out: Melo, Smith
DEN in: Dampier, Murphy, Favors, 2 Firsts



Lineup
Harris/Livingston/Tank
Jack/Henderson/Hammer
Crash/TWill/UPS
Tyrus/Diaw/Eddie
Nazr/Kwame/Diop




Scenario 2--with Crash
CHA out: Wallace, Dampier, Augustin, Diaw
CHA in: Harris, Williams, Nene

NJ out: Harris, Williams, Favors, Murphy, Humphries
NJ in: Melo, Smith, Diaw, Augustin

DEN out: Melo, Smith, Nene
DEN in: Wallace, Dampier, Murphy, Favors, Humphries



Lineup
Harris/Livingston/Tank
Jack/Henderson/Hammer
TWill/UPS/What's His Face
Tyrus/Eddie
Nene/Nazr/Kwame/Diop

[teej]

Scenario 1--no Crash
CHA out: Dampier, Augustin, 1 First
CHA in: Harris, Williams


Yes Please


Scenario 2--with Crash
CHA out: Wallace, Dampier, Augustin, Diaw
CHA in: Harris, Williams, Nene


Hell the fuck noooooooooooooo.

[LiquidWayno]

Agreed with Teej. Would love Chauncey or Harris here. Why is Harris on the block anyway?

[Toocool]

Agreed with Teej. Would love Chauncey or Harris here. Why is Harris on the block anyway?

I'll take a crack, but underwhelming seasons last year? Compared with his previous all-star season, Harris averaged 4 points less than last year (or could be because of the growth of Williams+Lopez).

Durability also has been a problem for Harris. Always seems to get injured...

[CatNation]

lol Carmelo is so much better than Stephen Curry is or will ever be

[rsxnova]

Jack would need to be moved ASAP(for a C if possible) if we manage to land Twill

[Chef]

lol Carmelo is so much better than Stephen Curry is or will ever be

it may be a little early to say that. carmelo is great, but his resume as both a team player and winner is shaky. he is a clear #1 on any team other than LA or Miami, but he doesn't act like a leader very often. offensively, he is top 5 in league though.

[dav7z]

Jack would need to be moved ASAP(for a C if possible) if we manage to land Twill

T Will is not much better than Hendo . I really don't think Denver is going to trade with NJ if Lopez is not involved.
Sac, and Houston and even us can offer a better packege than NJ did.
Dust day if it holds that long , We get a nice packege as a ficilator. Rumblings are we not after Mello with Wallace and JAX, Billups , Birdman , Smith, seem to be our main tarkets now. According to my low level frind. Its going to be tough Because we got to give much more salery than we take to get under.

[rsxnova]

T Will is not much better than Hendo . I really don't think Denver is going to trade with NJ if Lopez is not involved.
Sac, and Houston and even us can offer a better packege than NJ did.
Dust day if it holds that long , We get a nice packege as a ficilator. Rumblings are we not after Mello with Wallace and JAX, Billups , Birdman , Smith, seem to be our main tarkets now. According to my low level frind. Its going to be tough Because we got to give much more salery than we take to get under.

I think some form of this team below is tax worthy.

Billups/Livingston/Collins
Jax/Smith/Carrol
Wallace/Brown/who the f is dom
TT/Diaw(hopefully traded)/Najera
Birdman/Kwame/Diop

[SWedd523]

As much as I love Hendo, TWill is a much better player. More versatile, better passer, better ball handling, at least comparable defense and jumper. I'd gladly have him replace Hendo.

[ammofan]

Hey Dav7 thansk for that info. I would almost like to see Billups/Birdman and JR here more than Melo. We may be a better team that way. I mean aren't we a Top 4 team in the East with that lineup?

[dunnlx]

So True, S Curry is not all that!!!!!!


lol Carmelo is so much better than Stephen Curry is or will ever be

[dunnlx]

Melo is a max player, and better than anything on the Bobcats roster, anything and I'm not a Melo fan.


Pretty much.

Melo isn't a max player, Steph could be.

And Chauncey/Curry/Smith/Martin/Nene with Beans or Birdman and Lawson on the bench is beastly. They could move Birdman or Beans somewhere else for a wing and they'd be super-contenders.

[DY_nasty]

For everyone saying Curry is garbage, could you please point to a flaw in his game?

[Chef]

For everyone saying Curry is garbage, could you please point to a flaw in his game?

d d d defense

[DY_nasty]

d d d defense
He's the best perimeter defender on his team - which hasn't prided itself on defense for nearly a decade now.

[ziggy]

If he is garbage, then he is the most offensively gifted garbage with a pure genetically gifted shooting stroke that I've ever seen. :g:

[teej]

d d d defense

Sounds like Melo to me.

Melo is great offensively but he's horrid on D. And he's hardly a team player.

Steph is a marketing dream, is pure offense, and he's not terrible on the defensive end.

Steph is worth more value wise to a team than a maxed out Melo.

[rsxnova]

I think he is great, but how would his numbers look on a regular team. On that same note, Melo would have the scoring title for the next five years in GS.

[DY_nasty]

I think he is great, but how would his numbers look on a regular team. On that same note, Melo would have the scoring title for the next five years in GS.
People say the same thing about all GS players.

Jackson is working out great for us. JRich didn't work out here as the #1 scoring option, but during GS's best years he was never the #1. He was #3 behind Jackson and Baron Davis and had lots of other guys who could score around him as well. Once he got a situation similar to that out in Phoenix, he's started to flourish again.

When someone trades for Monta, they're in for a rude awakening if they expect his scoring to stay the same though. If you play 41 mpg and jack up 22 shots a night, its damn near impossible to NOT score 25 a night.

Harrington scored in GS, went on to score everywhere else. Isn't worth much else though - and those flaws were never truly exposed because GS doesn't emphasize those areas to begin with.

Baron was good before he got there, good when he got there, and was good after he left.

GS doesn't equal free points, it just puts an emphasis on it because Nelson doesn't care about anything else.

[BlockParty]

Sounds like Melo to me.

Melo is great offensively but he's horrid on D. And he's hardly a team player.

Steph is a marketing dream, is pure offense, and he's not terrible on the defensive end.

Steph is worth more value wise to a team than a maxed out Melo.

Steph is also a boat load (a BIG BOAT) cheaper then next 6 years (maybe longer depending on what happens with CBA).

[Chef]

He's the best perimeter defender on his team - which hasn't prided itself on defense for nearly a decade now.

his defense still needs much work. and saying he is the best defender on his team is like saying you are the most skinny kid at fat camp.

[dunnlx]

We don't have neither of them so who cares?


Sounds like Melo to me.

Melo is great offensively but he's horrid on D. And he's hardly a team player.

Steph is a marketing dream, is pure offense, and he's not terrible on the defensive end.

Steph is worth more value wise to a team than a maxed out Melo.

[Chef]

Steph is also a boat load (a BIG BOAT) cheaper then next 6 years (maybe longer depending on what happens with CBA).

this is why the draft is so important. look at lopez on nj. he is getting paid 3 mil this year. a great player shows the most value early on when they are getting paid peanuts compared to production and you can build around them with more expensive vets. okc is so competitive and so under the cap because of this.

[dav7z]

Hey Dav7 thansk for that info. I would almost like to see Billups/Birdman and JR here more than Melo. We may be a better team that way. I mean aren't we a Top 4 team in the East with that lineup?

Im sure we pass the first round with all three of those guys. Birdman is a hudge ? mark due to his knee problem . Im guessing more something like Billups , Smith , for DJ, Damp , Diaw, and another filler depending on who Denver trades with.

[DY_nasty]

We don't have neither of them so who cares?
Basketball fans.

[CatNation]

For everyone saying Curry is garbage, could you please point to a flaw in his game?

nobody said he is garbage, he just isn't Carmelo Anthony. Seriously, this is even more one sided than the LeBron vs Durant debate. Anthony is a top 10 player, Curry isn't even a top 10 point guard

[DY_nasty]

nobody said he is garbage, he just isn't Carmelo Anthony. Seriously, this is even more one sided than the LeBron vs Durant debate. Anthony is a top 10 player, Curry isn't even a top 10 point guard
No one said he was Carmelo. However, to say that he won't get to his level one day after he just finished 2nd in RoTY voting doesn't make any sense either - Carmelo has been in the league a substantially longer time. You really think the guy isn't going to get any better? Hell, if you really want to get down to it, Carmelo never had to play 2 on 5 for the majority of his rookie year and he had a much better group around him overall. Melo walked into an almost perfect situation with the Nuggets.

Edit: Curry probably would be in the discussion for top 10 pgs, a shame he never had anyone to pass to other than Monta.

[TheBeagle]

Carmelo Schmarmelo, if we bring in Chauncey, I'll be a very happy boy :biggrin:. Nene would be cool too. Birdman, no thank you. And JR Smith? Jeezus, don't we have our hands full enough with Tyrus? If we're going to have a dude on the roster that can shoot us out of a game as quick as he can shoot us in a game, give me Flip.

[dav7z]

Carmelo Schmarmelo, if we bring in Chauncey, I'll be a very happy boy :biggrin:. Nene would be cool too. Birdman, no thank you. And JR Smith? Jeezus, don't we have our hands full enough with Tyrus? If we're going to have a dude on the roster that can shoot us out of a game as quick as he can shoot us in a game, give me Flip.

Best thing about Smith is hes a expiring . Im thinking we going to have to take him if we get Billups. Borris is another reason . Hes going to be added to any deal involving Damp. According to rumors we need to be shiping out around 25 milion . And taking back as little as possable.


Billups and Damp is a wash at 13 million a piece, Denver would jump on that in a second flat. Thats 26 milion straight off thair cap, We should be able to gain a couple extra pieces and take back a little less in cash in a three way.

[TattoodCats4life]

I'll do any deal that:
A. rids diaw
B. retains wallace, jax, and TT
C. Adds birdman
D. Adds Billups.

Billups/Jax/Wallace/TT/Birdman is one HELL of a strong lineup, and TT and birdman both play in a similar way (all over the place, so you can't guess how they might defend or score) which is exciting to watch. I'm growing my hair for birdman spikes until such time as a trade happens which doesn't bring him here.

[Chef]

I'll do any deal that:
A. rids diaw
B. retains wallace, jax, and TT
C. Adds birdman
D. Adds Billups.

Billups/Jax/Wallace/TT/Birdman is one HELL of a strong lineup, and TT and birdman both play in a similar way (all over the place, so you can't guess how they might defend or score) which is exciting to watch. I'm growing my hair for birdman spikes until such time as a trade happens which doesn't bring him here.

ammended:
A. rids diop
B. adds draft picks
C. retains wallace
D. does not have us taking back bad contracts

[Toocool]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HY9uZWCh4go



Mate, I'm Australian not some wanna-be-black-guy aka Justin Bieber. Never even heard of Dougie until just then.

[Muttley]

Carmelo Schmarmelo, if we bring in Chauncey, I'll be a very happy boy :biggrin:. Nene would be cool too. Birdman, no thank you. And JR Smith? Jeezus, don't we have our hands full enough with Tyrus? If we're going to have a dude on the roster that can shoot us out of a game as quick as he can shoot us in a game, give me Flip.
This is so true. Though, I'd be okay with Birdman. His contract is a little lengthy though.

Billups for Damp would be sweet and worth MJ's money, in my opinion. How do we get Billups and Nene? Something like Boris/Nazr for Nene? Boris/DJ? (added to Damp for Billups after DUST day)

[Scottley Crue]

This is so true. Though, I'd be okay with Birdman. His contract is a little lengthy though.

Billups for Damp would be sweet and worth MJ's money, in my opinion. How do we get Billups and Nene? Something like Boris/Nazr for Nene? Boris/DJ? (added to Damp for Billups after DUST day)
I agree with you...I'd try to get Billiups and Nene in here. It'd be worth the money. I completely understand wanting to be under the luxury tax, but at some point, if you're going to really play the game, you're most likely going to have to pony up a little bit on the cash front. I'm not saying that paying the lux tax ensures a deep playoff run, but those who made deep playoff runs paid the tax for the most part, I believe.

[Black]

I posted this in the Melo thread earlier, but since this one is more active:



The Nuggets and new vice president of basketball operations Masai Ujiri, just introduced Tuesday to the local media, are not close to announcing a Carmelo Anthony trade.

Sorry to disappoint again: Anthony isn’t even on the market.

Not yet, anyway. http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/19614/melo-sweepstakes-sorry-haven%E2%80%99t-started-yet

I'm going to take the optimistic route and hope that has something to do with Dusty Damp.

[rsxnova]

I posted this in the Melo thread earlier, but since this one is more active:

Go figure, they dont want to move Melo till they can get the Dust Chip. It gives me something else to hope for.

[SWedd523]

Am I a complete doofus for thinking the following trade has a chance to happen?

CHA in: Deron Williams, Al Jefferson, Wilson Chandler, Eddy Curry, Othyus Jeffers
CHA out: DUST, Gerald Wallace, DJ Augustin, Nazr Mohammed, Derrick Brown, DeSagana Diop, Future 1st

UTH in: DUST, Chauncey Billups, Anthony Randolph, Danilo Gallinari
UTH out: Deron Williams, Al Jefferson, Othyus Jeffers, Future 1st

DEN in: Gerald Wallace, Ronny Turiaf, DJ Augustin, Nazr Mohammed
DEN out: Chauncey Billups, Carmelo Anthony, Renaldo Balkman, JR Smith

NYK in: Carmelo Anthony, DeSagana Diop, Renaldo Balkman, JR Smith, Derrick Brown
NYK out: Danilo Gallinari, Anthony Randolph, Wilson Chandler, Eddy Curry, Ronny Turiaf




Deron/Livingston/Tank
Hendo/Jeffers/Hammer
Jack/Chandler/McGuire
Tyrus/Diaw/Eddie
Jeff/Kwame/Curry



Charlotte upgrades it's two biggest holes, but loses its all-star in the process. Gets one of the best PG's in the league and a pseudo-Center in Jefferson. Moving Diop in the process is great, though it costs them a Future 1st.
Utah loses Deron but replaces him with Chauncey. They also get Gallo to eventually replace AK47 and Randolph to fill in anywhere in the frontcourt. Instant savings with DUST chip reduces their incoming salary and saves them ~$18mil next year
Denver replaces Melo with a much better value in Crash. They move JR and Balkman and replace them with DJ and Nazr/Turiaf. All contracts other than Crash are for one year, so if it doesn't work out they have a ton of expirings. Their incoming salary value is around $15mil less than their outgoing so they also get DUST type savings.
New York gets Melo... Melo gets New York. They also get young talents in Brown and JR and open the door for Paul to come to town, forming a super team of their own.

[ziggy]

^^^^^

I think Denver comes up on the short end of the stick in this deal. But if they are in a situation where they are going to lose Melo and they are willing to settle for 50 cents on the dollar as far as talent is concerned, then I can see it happening.


Go ahead and make this deal happen Commissioner Swedd :biggrin:

[Toocool]

Am I a complete doofus for thinking the following trade has a chance to happen?

CHA in: Deron Williams, Al Jefferson, Wilson Chandler, Eddy Curry, Othyus Jeffers
CHA out: DUST, Gerald Wallace, DJ Augustin, Nazr Mohammed, Derrick Brown, DeSagana Diop, Future 1st

UTH in: DUST, Chauncey Billups, Anthony Randolph, Danilo Gallinari
UTH out: Deron Williams, Al Jefferson, Othyus Jeffers, Future 1st

DEN in: Gerald Wallace, Ronny Turiaf, DJ Augustin, Nazr Mohammed
DEN out: Chauncey Billups, Carmelo Anthony, Renaldo Balkman, JR Smith

NYK in: Carmelo Anthony, DeSagana Diop, Renaldo Balkman, JR Smith, Derrick Brown
NYK out: Danilo Gallinari, Anthony Randolph, Wilson Chandler, Eddy Curry, Ronny Turiaf




Deron/Livingston/Tank
Hendo/Jeffers/Hammer
Jack/Chandler/McGuire
Tyrus/Diaw/Eddie
Jeff/Kwame/Curry



Charlotte upgrades it's two biggest holes, but loses its all-star in the process. Gets one of the best PG's in the league and a pseudo-Center in Jefferson. Moving Diop in the process is great, though it costs them a Future 1st.
Utah loses Deron but replaces him with Chauncey. They also get Gallo to eventually replace AK47 and Randolph to fill in anywhere in the frontcourt. Instant savings with DUST chip reduces their incoming salary and saves them ~$18mil next year
Denver replaces Melo with a much better value in Crash. They move JR and Balkman and replace them with DJ and Nazr/Turiaf. All contracts other than Crash are for one year, so if it doesn't work out they have a ton of expirings. Their incoming salary value is around $15mil less than their outgoing so they also get DUST type savings.
New York gets Melo... Melo gets New York. They also get young talents in Brown and JR and open the door for Paul to come to town, forming a super team of their own.



Dude...where do I sign up?
I would do that in a heart beat. D. Will, Jefferson...it would mean that for once in our entire lives that Bobcats will actually have a post presence. Means we can actually PASS to the dude in the middle and he can score.

That's borderline blasphemy, in the holy book of Bobcats...Thou shalt not have a Center with an adequate post game, lest his name be Jefferson/situational/etc.

[dvdbumpus]

You mean Alexis Ajinca wasn't a post presence?

[Toocool]

You mean Alexis Ajinca wasn't a post presence?

The dude barely got to see a uniform, let alone the court. He COULD have been our post presence, but he's off and away to Mavs land.

[dunnlx]

So true, Bobcats need to learn how to draft better.


this is why the draft is so important. look at lopez on nj. he is getting paid 3 mil this year. a great player shows the most value early on when they are getting paid peanuts compared to production and you can build around them with more expensive vets. okc is so competitive and so under the cap because of this.

[dunnlx]

I totally agree, Billups would be just fine. I still think the Bobcats need a post presence though.


Carmelo Schmarmelo, if we bring in Chauncey, I'll be a very happy boy :biggrin:. Nene would be cool too. Birdman, no thank you. And JR Smith? Jeezus, don't we have our hands full enough with Tyrus? If we're going to have a dude on the roster that can shoot us out of a game as quick as he can shoot us in a game, give me Flip.

[DY_nasty]

So true, Bobcats need to learn how to draft better.
Bobcats need to learn how to develop talent better. George Hill was looking like complete garbage through summer league and nearly all of his rookie year. Now he's looking like a reasonable replacement for Tony Parker.

Bobcats get a troubled rookie? "This is too hard, he's not becoming an all-star right away - time to dump him while he still has value"

[ziggy]

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w301/bobcatsplanet/Dust_bunnies.jpg

[Plowright]

Just put this into the trade machine and for some reason it wont say if it worked or not however i think the money adds up.

Denver in: Joakim Noah/ Erick Dampier

Denver out: Melo/Billups

Bulls in: Melo

Bulls out: Joakim Noah

Bobcats in: Billups

Bobcats out: Erick Dampier

So i think the money adds up but as i said the machine wont say if it does or not. Im new to using it so might be missing something really obvious that doesnt work... But Denver get younger in Noah and financial flexiblity in Dampier. The Bulls get Melo, nuff said and we get Billups a quality Point Guard.

[ziggy]

Dampier for Billups would be first degree grand larceny.

[ziggy]

Here is a Toronto blog's take on DUST Day.

http://jurassichoops.com/2010/09/09/will-jose-calderon-be-a-bobcat-on-monday/

they are looking at sending Calderon / Reggie Evans / Marcus Banks for Dampier and McBoris Diaw

[Plowright]

wasnt radmanovich and raja bell for jax larceny?? Speedy claxton and acie law for Jamal Crawford larceny?? Trades like that do happen not because there fair but Denver what young players adn financial flexability. They get both in that deal... maybe we throw in a first rounder but that sounds pretty good to me and i think Denver might be interested. Or am i just being stupid?

[The Prodigy]

Looks good for the most part to me. I would expect the Bulls having to give up more than only Noah though. I dont know what else they have to trade, but I would expect for them to give up a little more than only Noah.

Other than that, no complaints here.

[ALuhrs704]

im starting to believe in my heart that we are getting chauncy. its just so perfect for us.

[SWedd523]

The salaries don't matchup. Chicago has about $13mil too much incoming.

[teej]

they are looking at sending Calderon / Reggie Evans / Marcus Banks for Dampier and McBoris Diaw

Yeah, uh, no.

[SWedd523]

Typical delusional Raptors fan grasping at straws. On RealGM, they've posted hundreds of Caleron to Charlotte deals. There is no way an injured Caleron in worth $20mil. He's garbage to begin with and Toronto knows it so they're trying to dump him for whatever they can.

I'm staying far, far away from Caleron and the retarded Toronto fans are......... Retarded.

[teej]

Typical delusional Raptors fan grasping at straws. On RealGM, they've posted hundreds of Caleron to Charlotte deals. There is no way an injured Caleron in worth $20mil. He's garbage to begin with and Toronto knows it so they're trying to dump him for whatever they can.

I'm staying far, far away from Caleron and the retarded Toronto fans are......... Retarded.

Only way I take on Calderon is if they take Diop AND Diaw, and if they want Damp they're sending us a first or two.

[Black]

The trade machine is messed up, and if it doesn't say it is successful, it isn't; it doesn't tell you that it isn't.

A (slightly) more realistic trade I proposed elsewhere:

Bobcats get: Nene

Bulls get: Melo

Nuggets get: Noah, Dampier, Picks

[Toocool]

Only way I take on Calderon is if they take Diop AND Diaw, and if they want Damp they're sending us a first or two. They definately must take Diaw and Diop in ANY WAY for us to take on that scrub. Otherwise no deal.

[SWedd523]

That trade isn't more realistic at all considering Chicago still has $14mil too much coming in. Come on guys, Incoming trade value has to be within 125% of the outgoing for teams over the cap. Chicago has $2mil in capspace so they can bring in $2mil+125%. Noah (3mil) for Melo (17mil) does NOT fulfill that condition.








Also, threads merged. Please try and keep all Dampier related ideas in the Dust Day thread

[Black]

I was taking into account an extension for Noah, and some filler.

[SWedd523]

The extension wouldn't change his outgoing salary

[spectre]

I'm torn about helping Chicago get Mello. I like Billups, but getting him in a Damp trade would only help us for a year or two AND we'd still be above the tax for this season. We'd also be helping to set up a team that will be able to compete with Miami for years.

Personally I still want to get into a 3 way with Jersey. We'd be helping to set them up as well...but in that scenario we'd be getting Harris, who would be here awhile.

[ziggy]

I'm torn about helping Chicago get Mello. I like Billups, but getting him in a Damp trade would only help us for a year or two AND we'd still be above the tax for this season. We'd also be helping to set up a team that will be able to compete with Miami for years.

Personally I still want to get into a 3 way with Jersey. We'd be helping to set them up as well...but in that scenario we'd be getting Harris, who would be here awhile.

I'm in agreement with you Spectre.

Billups would help us a lot in the short term, but he is 34 years old and that is right around the time when players' games start to collapse and fall off of a cliff ( see A.I. circa 2 or 3 years ago )

[dav7z]

I'm torn about helping Chicago get Mello. I like Billups, but getting him in a Damp trade would only help us for a year or two AND we'd still be above the tax for this season. We'd also be helping to set up a team that will be able to compete with Miami for years.

Personally I still want to get into a 3 way with Jersey. We'd be helping to set them up as well...but in that scenario we'd be getting Harris, who would be here awhile.

Chicago don't have enough tradable assets, Noah not enough Boozer can't be traded . Rose is going no where. At the very least it will take Noah, Deng, and a couple fillers Noah and Deng isn't enough money to get it done along. Denver would not want to take on 5 years 71 milion for Deng
Denver is not going to mess with any thing NJ offers if it don;t include Lopez
NY has nothing to offer Denver
Houston and us have the most to offer . 26 million off this years books can't be overlooked.If we do end up helping assets and or draft picks need to be comeing back to us. We don't need thease other teams they need us.

[dav7z]

I'm in agreement with you Spectre.

Billups would help us a lot in the short term, but he is 34 years old and that is right around the time when players' games start to collapse and fall off of a cliff ( see A.I. circa 2 or 3 years ago )


The good thing about Billups is his contract . Only 3.75 milion is gurnateed next year so he could become another Dust chip if we chose to use him that way.

[ziggy]

Would Billups be satisfied here? I read recently that at this point in his career he is only interested in playing on a team that can compete for a championship.

[GOBOBCATS24]

I would think Billups would be more than satisfied to play for the coach that won him a championship and made him the player he is today

[Demon DeaCat]

I'm in agreement with you Spectre.

Billups would help us a lot in the short term, but he is 34 years old and that is right around the time when players' games start to collapse and fall off of a cliff ( see A.I. circa 2 or 3 years ago )

Agreed, and add to that the fact that he's playing all summer long, thereby expediting his decline. He's only got so many games left in those legs so he's shortening his career as we speak. If that's the best we can do I'd take it, but I'd rather cash Damp in for a guy that could help us more than just a year or two.

[spectre]

NJ isn't giving up Lopez but it looks like Chicago isn't giving up Noah either. IF they move him now vs the deadline (and I doubt it) I still think NJ has the better package. Without Noah Chicago's offer is crap.

IMO if we got Harris and stayed below the LT I'd be considering this a "win" offseason even with the downgraded C spot.

[Chef]

NJ isn't giving up Lopez but it looks like Chicago isn't giving up Noah either. IF they move him now vs the deadline (and I doubt it) I still think NJ has the better package. Without Noah Chicago's offer is crap.

IMO if we got Harris and stayed below the LT I'd be considering this a "win" offseason even with the downgraded C spot.

it's not that downgraded when you figure tyson is so rarely on the court due to injuries or fouls. shouldn't it strike him as odd that he is the only actual center on usa's roster and our go to rotation is durant at 4 and odom at 5?

[spectre]

it's not that downgraded when you figure tyson is so rarely on the court due to injuries or fouls. shouldn't it strike him as odd that he is the only actual center on usa's roster and our go to rotation is durant at 4 and odom at 5?

I'll admit I'm thinking with him being fully healthy for the year which won't necessarily be the case. I just know how Nazr & Gana defend the pick (or attempt to set a screen), and from what I've read Kwame isn't the brightest, and doing stuff like that takes smarts.

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1051804

This is the type of trade I'm thinking about:

NJ out:
Harris, T.Williams, D.James, K.Humphries, 2012 GS #1, 2011 GS #2, 2012 CHI #2, $3m

NJ in:
Melo, Augustin

Denver out:
Mello, JR Smith

Denver in:
Dampier, T.Williams, D.James, G.Henderson, B.Diaw, K.Humphries, 2012 GS #1, 2011 GS #2

Charlotte out:
Dampier, Diaw, Augustin, G.Henderson

Charlotte in:
Harris, JR Smith, $11m TPE, $3m Cash, 2012 CHI #2

Harris / Livingston / Collins
Jax / JR Smith / Carroll
Crash / D.Brown / McGuire
Tyrus / Najera
Nazr / Kwame / Gana

When he originally posted it Henderson wasn't in there, but I do agree we'd never get that good of a deal. I'd rather not take on JR either, but at least he's an expiring.

That 2nd unit's D would suck. LB would probably kill himself.

[BlockParty]

I'll admit I'm thinking with him being fully healthy for the year which won't necessarily be the case. I just know how Nazr & Gana defend the pick (or attempt to set a screen), and from what I've read Kwame isn't the brightest, and doing stuff like that takes smarts.

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1051804

This is the type of trade I'm thinking about:

NJ out:
Harris, T.Williams, D.James, K.Humphries, 2012 GS #1, 2011 GS #2, 2012 CHI #2, $3m

NJ in:
Melo, Augustin

Denver out:
Mello, JR Smith

Denver in:
Dampier, T.Williams, D.James, G.Henderson, B.Diaw, K.Humphries, 2012 GS #1, 2011 GS #2

Charlotte out:
Dampier, Diaw, Augustin, G.Henderson

Charlotte in:
Harris, JR Smith, $11m TPE, $3m Cash, 2012 CHI #2

Harris / Livingston / Collins
Jax / JR Smith / Carroll
Crash / D.Brown / McGuire
Tyrus / Najera
Nazr / Kwame / Gana

When he originally posted it Henderson wasn't in there, but I do agree we'd never get that good of a deal. I'd rather not take on JR either, but at least he's an expiring.

That 2nd unit's D would suck. LB would probably kill himself.

We'd be great at the guard spots and SF, but I'm not sure I'd want Tyrus/Najera/Nazr/Kwame/Gana getting a combined 96 minutes a game. We'd need another big for when Nazr's back wears out.

Tyrus 35 minutes
Najera 15 minutes
Nazr 20 minutes
Kwame 20 minutes
Gana 6 minutes

Just seems scary to have to expect that every night.

[spectre]

We'd be great at the guard spots and SF, but I'm not sure I'd want Tyrus/Najera/Nazr/Kwame/Gana getting a combined 96 minutes a game. We'd need another big for when Nazr's back wears out.

Tyrus 35 minutes
Najera 15 minutes
Nazr 20 minutes
Kwame 20 minutes
Gana 6 minutes

Just seems scary to have to expect that every night.

Dude I've been "there" since we moved TC! I'm also one of the few that wouldn't mind hanging onto Boris...but it looks like we're trying to move him. We've also not been rumored for any other bigs that I know of.

I just don't think we can cover the 2 holes and get under the LT. 2 out of the 3 is probably being optimistic as hell.

[Chef]

tweet news. gotta say this sounds about right.

STEIN_LINE_HQ

RT @EricPincus: @STEIN_LINE_HQ Can't see the Bobcats taking big $ back for Dampier - Charlotte isn't going to be a taxpayer (CAN'T ARGUE)
about 12 hours ago via ÜberTwitter
Reply Retweet

STEIN_LINE_HQ
Indy DID show interest in Calderon in AUG but traded for speedier/far cheaper Collison. Signs keep pointing to Jose starting season w/TOR
about 12 hours ago via ÜberTwitter

STEIN_LINE_HQ
Dampier does becomes eligible Monday to be packaged w/other Bobcats in trades. But I've been firmly told CHA and TOR not discussing Calderon
about 12 hours ago via ÜberTwitter

STEIN_LINE_HQ
Getting tweets asking if there's any substance to internet rumbles about a Calderon-to-CHA deal involving Dampier's contract. In a word? NO

[Toocool]

tweet news. gotta say this sounds about right.

STEIN_LINE_HQ

RT @EricPincus: @STEIN_LINE_HQ Can't see the Bobcats taking big $ back for Dampier - Charlotte isn't going to be a taxpayer (CAN'T ARGUE)
about 12 hours ago via ÜberTwitter
Reply Retweet

STEIN_LINE_HQ
Indy DID show interest in Calderon in AUG but traded for speedier/far cheaper Collison. Signs keep pointing to Jose starting season w/TOR
about 12 hours ago via ÜberTwitter

STEIN_LINE_HQ
Dampier does becomes eligible Monday to be packaged w/other Bobcats in trades. But I've been firmly told CHA and TOR not discussing Calderon
about 12 hours ago via ÜberTwitter

STEIN_LINE_HQ
Getting tweets asking if there's any substance to internet rumbles about a Calderon-to-CHA deal involving Dampier's contract. In a word? NO

Thank goodness for that, I really hope it stays that way because just about everyone here doesn't want Jose frickin Calderon.

[ammofan]

New article:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ap-nbasdustchip

[ammofan]

Cranston also has some interesting tweets:
http://twitter.com/mikecranston1

[kickazzz2000]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/basketball/nba/wires/09/11/2030.ap.bkn.nba.s.dust.chip.1st.ld.writethru.1061/


EDIT: Never mind, same article as posted above

[BlockParty]

New article:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ap-nbasdustchip


Cranston did a great job of explaining how the dust year came to be:

"
Dallas agreed to a seventh-year for Dampier, but only with a playing time requirement. Dampier had to log 2,100 minutes, or an average of 30 minutes over 70 games in 2009-10, to make the $13 million due in the final season guaranteed.

Slowed by a balky knee, the 6-foot-11 Dampier appeared in only 55 games last season and played 1,280 minutes. Suddenly, an aging, unspectacular player had become the “Dust Chip.” "

and very ironic that Higgins was the GM on the evolution side of Damp's contract 6 years ago.

[spectre]

Here's a little more I'm hearing about the #Bobcats and Dampier: 1. A decision on trade/release could come within the week about 1 hour ago (http://twitter.com/mikecranston1/status/24223276826) via TweetDeck (http://www.tweetdeck.com/)

then he follows with an opinion of (best case) being a 3rd team with Denver.

Higgins laying the groundwork for the possibility of just waiving him as well.

Whats up with the concern about owing him the 13 million if he's injured?

[SWedd523]

One of Charlotte’s options for Dampier was to waive him and re-sign him for less. But while Dampier said in July the Bobcats would get “the first opportunity” to re-sign him, he turned down a $2.2 million deal. It was all Charlotte could offer because it was over the cap and had used $3.5 million of the $5.7 million midlevel exception to sign guard Shaun Livingston(notes).


Interesting. Sort of confirms the guesses we've had about the terms of the deal he turned down

[BlockParty]

Whats up with the concern about owing him the 13 million if he's injured?

The contract can't be voided if he's hurt (whoever holds it has to honor it)..so we need to get Dan Morgan's oxygen chamber up to the cable box and put Damp in it until the trade/waive occurs.

[Scottley Crue]

about 1 hour ago (http://twitter.com/mikecranston1/status/24223276826) via TweetDeck (http://www.tweetdeck.com/)

then he follows with an opinion of (best case) being a 3rd team with Denver.

Higgins laying the groundwork for the possibility of just waiving him as well.

Whats up with the concern about owing him the 13 million if he's injured?
I don't understand the concern about Damp getting injured, either. I highly doubt he'll ever put on a Bobcats' uniform, be it practice or game jersey. I think it's fairly obvious that he'll be traded or cut before training camp starts, if just to avoid that very scenario.

[spectre]

The contract can't be voided if he's hurt (whoever holds it has to honor it)..so we need to get Dan Morgan's oxygen chamber up to the cable box and put Damp in it until the trade/waive occurs.

So he has to pass a physical or something if/when we waive him?

The scope doesn't really worry me. That's been around 4 months ago.

Still. That'd suck!

[BobCatsFanInTx]

What to do with Dampier? Part 2

An interesting article...http://www.bobcatsbaseline.com/blog/?p=3351

[SWedd523]

What to do with Dampier? Part 2

An interesting article...http://www.bobcatsbaseline.com/blog/?p=3351

Does Carmelo really have a Warner Brothers tattoo on his shoulder? What a retard.



p.s. Both of the proposed trades in that article are terrible

[BlockParty]

So he has to pass a physical or something if/when we waive him?

The scope doesn't really worry me. That's been around 4 months ago.

Still. That'd suck!

I asked Cranston in a tweet about why we need to keep Damp healthy..his response:

"Issue is you can't void the contract if he's hurt"

So, I doubt he has to pass a physical (though he probably would have to pass a physical if traded...unless the other team agreed to waive the physical). But if he blew out his knee or broke a bone...it'd cost MJ approximately $25M if some injury like that occured prior to waiving or trading the dust chip.

$25M =$13M to Damp, $8M in LT and $4M in loss of our share of LT from other teams because we are over the LT limit.

[SWedd523]

It would suck if we pissed Damp off by not dealing him sooner so he purposely fails a physical to get back at us and keep his $13mil salary.





Then again, any team trading for him certainly isn't going to play him on his current deal so I don't know why they wouldn't waive the physical. Unless the actual contract says, "You may not void this contract due to injury" or something along those lines, I don't see it being an issue

[Plowright]

T-Minus 3 hours 9 minutes until Dust Day (GMT) :D

[BobCatsFanInTx]

Does Carmelo really have a Warner Brothers tattoo on his shoulder? What a retard.



p.s. Both of the proposed trades in that article are terribleWhen it comes to the cap neither trade scenario seems terrible to me. At least when one considers MJ's mindset. If you think MJ won't have the cap in mind when it comes to trades you are probably not thinking straight. I would take Chauncey Billups straight up with a trade involving Erik Dampier. I am not sure Denver would be that stupid but if a trade won't hurt us cap wise and can get a high quality talent that fills a need I am all for it.


My thinking about getting Chauncey. As long as free agency and trades exist there will always be opportunities to get a solid if not above average pg when Chauncey's career is through. Pg's that are at least as good as Raymond was are not too hard to replace. However, having Chauncey reunite with coach Brown for a few seasons would not be a bad thing in my mind. I would much rather get Chauncey in a deal as opposed to losing Crash to get Carmelo.

Agree to disagree with the writer about trades but just know that the writer and I agree on what kind of player Carmelo REALLY is. Forget about the overblown hype. Crash and Carmelo are different types of players but nearly equal in value to their respective teams. Unless Carmelo steps up his defensive game and does more than score he would not fit in with Larry Brown. Coach Larry Brown takes defense seriously where Carmelo never has. Carmelo will put butts in the seats but I don't see how just getting him will add many wins if any.

Warner Brothers cartoons are cool so I don't find having a WB tattoo on ones person is retarded. That's just me though. Carmelo can always get paid by WB for endorsing their brand on his shoulder..lol :D

[LiquidWayno]

If we do end up just waiving Dampier, I guess I have been more dissapointed by our choices in the past. I wish that Diop would take a buyout.

[CatNation]

woooooooooooo

[ALuhrs704]

the Warner Brothers logo tatoo is not for warner brothers. Carmelo is from West Baltimore so thats why he has that tatoo. im excited to see what comes of dampier. hopefully by the end of the week we can have a clearer picture for our upcoming season. october 29th is closing in sooner than we know it!!!!

[Fred Williamson]

why do I have the feeling something bad is going to happen?

[CatNation]

I'd bet my car we waive him. We aren't goin 9 mil over tax for Chauncey.

[Toocool]

Waive, don't waive and trade. Either way let's just hope for the best, and have faith in Roddy.

[Plowright]

OMFG its today!!! AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH

[ziggy]

Happy DUST Day!!!!!!!!!!!!!



C'Mon Rod Higgins, Make something good happen!

[spectre]

If it's a trade you'd think it'd happen very soon...within the next day or so. The longer it stretches out I think would increase the odds of just waiving him.

They've had plenty of time to know what's out there.

[Plowright]

Happy Dust day to you to Ziggy, lets hope its a good one!

[BlockParty]

I wonder if the Bobcats have ruled everyone is eligble for being traded (probably so for the right player), well, accept for the obviously untouchable Dominic McGuire.

[ammofan]

Happy Dust Day!

[ohara831]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/basketball/nba/09/11/dampier.contract.ap/index.html

Even SI has to get in on the action!

[polarcat]

HAPPY D-DAY TO ALL! Let's hope Roddy and MJ turn this chip into something valuable.

:bounce8:

[murphman]

I've got a bad feeling that 3 weeks from now we are still going to be sitting here with nothing being done.

[rsxnova]

Did everyone hang their stockings and leave cookies and milk out last night.

This is all i got...

http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq200/stereolith/DustChip1.png

[BlockParty]

Whatever happens won't include Capt Jack. He will be at the cable box Thursday night signing autographs during an open house.

Meet Stephen Jackson | September 16 Open House

Stephen Jackson is hosting an Open House and signing autographs on Thursday, September 16 at Time Warner Cable Arena®!

Event hours are 6 p.m. - 9 p.m.

Click below to RSVP or call 704.BOBCATS for more information.

[mrtarheel]

Whatever happens won't include Capt Jack. He will be at the cable box Thursday night signing autographs during an open house.

Meet Stephen Jackson | September 16 Open House

Stephen Jackson is hosting an Open House and signing autographs on Thursday, September 16 at Time Warner Cable Arena®!

Event hours are 6 p.m. - 9 p.m.

Click below to RSVP or call 704.BOBCATS for more information.

As well it shouldn't I see Damp and Diaw leaving or either Diop. Dj could go to Sac for Thompson as they are loaded upfront, then all we would need is a starting pg.

[Plowright]

This is the most uneventful Dust Day ever... i haven't heard one rumour!

[Dcarnys]

This is the most uneventful Dust Day ever... i haven't heard one rumour!

True there, I was expecting Ballwhore to be foaming at the mouth by now.

[Scottley Crue]

I imagine it might take a bit. Just because Damp is eligible to be moved with others now doesn't mean he'll be traded immediately. I like mrtarheel's idea...get Thompson from the Kings and then go after a PG.

[mrtarheel]

Actually got the question answer by Bill Ingram on Hoopsworld and this is what he had to say

Andrew in Laurinburg, NC:
What do u see the Bobcats doing with Dampier's contract? What kind of trade do u see us doing to get better, maybe Dj for Thompson in Sac. and a follow up to get a starting pg allowing Livingston to gain strength in his knee.
Bill Ingram:

The Kings certainly have more talent than they can use in the front court. . .and Landry is better than Thompson. He'd be a nice fit in Charlotte, but he's also exactly what the Pacers need. They should put together a three-team deal with Ford landing in Charlotte, Thompson landing in Indy and Damp's contract landing in Sacramento. Other pieces would have to be involved, but that's the foundation of a move that helps everyone involved


Read more NBA news and insight: http://www.hoopsworld.com/Chat.asp?
HAT_TOPICS_ID=1157#ixzz0zQjaDvpJ

So if that is his basis why not just get Thompson and Ford and save money in one swoop.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=33bx2yq

[ohara831]

I read that Ingram chat this morning. Man, would I love to have Thompson in Charlotte. TJ is fine to be here, but I would want more than him if we pull the trigger.

[ammofan]

If we get TJ what do we do with DJ? Ship him off for a center?

[SWedd523]

That's a shitty idea. TJ isn't worth the DUST. That deal would require both TJ and JT coming our way.

[dav7z]

Got a feeling we trying to work something out like tiis . Hold up is i don't think we wanting to move Nazz. We trying to move Diaw.


Charlotte out= Damp., DJ, Nazz, 2nd round pick to Sac.
Denver out= Billups ,
Sac out = J , Thompson

Charlotte in = Billups, Thompson
Denver in = Damp
Sac in= DJ, Nazz , 2nd

[ohara831]

Got a feeling we trying to work something out like tiis . Hold up is i don't think we wanting to move Nazz. We trying to move Diaw.


Charlotte out= Damp., DJ, Nazz, 2nd round pick to Sac.
Denver out= Billups ,
Sac out = J , Thompson

Charlotte in = Billups, Thompson
Denver in = Damp
Sac in= DJ, Nazz , 2nd

If this happened, I would be so very proud of our FO for making this move. But I just dont think we will be this fortunate.

[BETCATS]

Is their any real proof anything is actually going on with us, the Kings, and the Nuggets?:g:

[ammofan]

Man if we got Chauncey I would probably faint because of MJ and the rest of the FO's greatness.

[Muttley]

Man if we got Chauncey I would probably faint because of MJ and the rest of the FO's greatness.
I don't even know if Chauncey is available (likely depends on Melo's situation), but if he came to Charlotte that would be sick. Watching him play in the World Championships was a real treat. He can run an offense and hit 3s and play D. Can't ask for much more.

[TheBeagle]

I don't even know if Chauncey is available (likely depends on Melo's situation), but if he came to Charlotte that would be sick. Watching him play in the World Championships was a real treat. He can run an offense and hit 3s and play D. Can't ask for much more. Word! Amidst the Carmelo hoopla, Chauncey is the only Nugget (well, other than Ty but we ain't getting him) I want on this team. Always liked the guy since I saw him play for Colorado in the NCAA tourney here in Winston as a freshman, and it would kick ass to have him as a Cat, but definitely not expecting it....but am hoping.

Also, getting Thompson would be nice and realistic, I think.

As for anymore PG help, I'm fine with what we have, or I should say, I've made my peace with what we have, and am full steam ahead with DJ, Livingston and Collins. I think it'd be stupid not to at least try to sign Flip, but barring adding him, I have no use for Ford or Calderon or any other underwhelming PG out there....let's throw our guys out there and see who sinks and who swims, and maybe if there's lots of sinking we can address it with the annual in-season mini-blockbuster LB trade.

Above all, if nothing comes, I just hope FO is smart enough to just cut Ericka, and keep us under the LT.

[SWedd523]

CHA in: TJ Ford, Jason Thompson, Jeff Foster
CHA out: Boris Diaw, DJ Augustin, Nazr Mohammed, 2nd Rounder

(cut the DUST)

IND in: Boris Diaw, Beno Udrih
IND out: TJ Ford, Jeff Foster

SAC in: DJ Augustin, Nazr Mohammed, 2nd Rounder
SAC out: Jason Thompson, Beno Udrih


Livingston/TJ/Tank
Jack/Hendo/Hammer
Crash/UPS/McGuire
Tyrus/Eddie
Thompson/Kwame/Foster/Diop

[teej]

CHA in: TJ Ford, Jason Thompson, Jeff Foster
CHA out: Boris Diaw, DJ Augustin, Nazr Mohammed, 2nd Rounder

(cut the DUST)


Yes please.

If they pulled that off, I'd be in shock.

[ammofan]

CHA in: TJ Ford, Jason Thompson, Jeff Foster
CHA out: Boris Diaw, DJ Augustin, Nazr Mohammed, 2nd Rounder

(cut the DUST)

IND in: Boris Diaw, Beno Udrih
IND out: TJ Ford, Jeff Foster

SAC in: DJ Augustin, Nazr Mohammed, 2nd Rounder
SAC out: Jason Thompson, Beno Udrih


Livingston/TJ/Tank
Jack/Hendo/Hammer
Crash/UPS/McGuire
Tyrus/Eddie
Thompson/Kwame/Foster/Diop

Yes please!

[Black]

Dampier's camp also indicated that to the Bobcats, who are convinced he's likely headed for Miami if Charlotte can't find a trade partner. But the Heat is not in position to trade for him, with only Mario Chalmers and rookies available to send.
http://blogs.herald.com/miami_heat/2010/09/heat-awaits-d-day-for-dampier.html

[BETCATS]

Where is the trade?
:confused::confused:

[ALuhrs704]

if we were to get ford. he would start over shaun livingston...... but ive always liked thompson and i would definitely be more optimistic on the season

[LiquidWayno]

Is it just me or are Thompson and Thomas similar players (not just in name)? Is JT capable of playing the 5? I will admit, I haven't seen much of the Kings since my boy Artest left.

[BETCATS]

At this point could a trade be cleared and Dampier be waved before becoming guarnteed? Somebody explain it to me and i will crawl back into my hole.

kthanksbye

[teej]

Is it just me or are Thompson and Thomas similar players (not just in name)? Is JT capable of playing the 5? I will admit, I haven't seen much of the Kings since my boy Artest left.

Not really. On NBA 2k10 my starting lineup is Felton/Jack/Crash/TT/JT. Works beautifully. JT is bigger, and is to offense what TT is to defense. JT is finesse, TT is power. They'd work really well together, as long as there's a true center as the backup.


At this point could a trade be cleared and Dampier be waved before becoming guarnteed? Somebody explain it to me and i will crawl back into my hole.

kthanksbye

Yes. Damp isn't guaranteed until the start of the season. We have over a month before that happens.

[LiquidWayno]

Good to hear. For some reason I never caught that many Rider games either. Let's do that trade and waive Damp.

[LiquidWayno]

I like that Foster and Ford are legitimate expiring contracts and Thompson is up for a team option after this year. We'd improve on the court and have some space next summer.

[ammofan]

Guys just because its dust day doesnt mean the deal would happen today. Higgins my have recived calls all day and he has to get it sorted out and decide what deal would be best.

[rsxnova]

Guys just because its dust day doesnt mean the deal would happen today. Higgins my have recived calls all day and he has to get it sorted out and decide what deal would be best.

Most likely what happened. We need to be patient with this. I dont want them to jump at any deals(Unless its the JT one)

[Toocool]

Agreed Ammo, I really would like Rod to take his time, discuss it with LB and Jordan about the best deal available. If it doesn't fit what our team needs, then we cut him.

[ammofan]

I think Higgins is smart enough that he can get the most value possible out of Dampier's contract. He just said last week that this is one of the most valuable contracts he's ever had to use and the most valuable in the league right now. With so many teams in financial trouble, I find it hard to believe he would get cut.

[Plowright]

Dust Day take two...

[ziggy]

Dust Day take two...

Dust Week?

[Plowright]

Zig, what u doing up! its like 6 am in the USA!!! Dust week sounds good to me (change the name of the thread) lol

[ziggy]

Zig, what u doing up! its like 6 am in the USA!!! Dust week sounds good to me (change the name of the thread) lol

I'm an early riser. No matter what I do I'm always up at 5:30 or 6:00am :g:

Thread title change coming up :biggrin:

[Chef]

in regards to when:
i check for the following things and get excited when i see:

1. # of people viewing the threads if it exceeds 25
2. if james the aussie posts
3. if ballwhore posts

[spectre]

I dunno...I think if a "very good" move is going to happen it would have (or we'd have heard about it). They've had 2 months to explore all the possibilities...and Higgins said this...so I think all the offers are "eh" and we're still debating which way to go.

Love to be wrong tho.

[Plowright]

http://www.hornets247.com/journals/2010/09/14/how-eric-dampier-gets-the-hornets-a-backup-pg

Thought this was interesting... not sure about their suggested deal tho. Think we would need JT not them

[spectre]

http://www.hornets247.com/journals/2010/09/14/how-eric-dampier-gets-the-hornets-a-backup-pg

Thought this was interesting... not sure about their suggested deal tho. Think we would need JT not them

could you give a synopsis or something? blocked here at work.

[ohara831]

N.O. gets DJ
Char gets Andre Miller and Pryzbilla with T.E.
Port. gets Dampier
or
N.O. gets DJ and Jason Thompson
Char gets Miller and Pryz with T.E.
Port. gets Dampier
Sac gets T.E. and picks ?

Obviously written from the N.O. fan's point of view.

[spectre]

Thanks O'hara.

Yeah, I'd say! NOLA's pretty much just getting assets without giving up anything! :p

I'd love that return for us, but the problem would be that we'd still be way over the LT.

Is Portland looking to cut some money? I know their owner is very rich, and their financial picture doesn't look that bad.

[ohara831]

I am not sure why, but there has been a lot of talk about Portland being involved in trading Andre Miller and/or Pryzbilla. That started before the end of last season and it is still going on.

[Chef]

I am not sure why, but there has been a lot of talk about Portland being involved in trading Andre Miller and/or Pryzbilla. That started before the end of last season and it is still going on.

espn trade checker has them at $74 mil i think that is about 4mil over for the tax. i could see them wanting to get under the tax, but don't think they need to get rid of andre to do it. although, andre and prez for damp would work. wonder if we could turn prez into a tpe and get back under the cap without it costing anything more than a 2nd rounder? (if it did, i imagine portland would do that deal outright and keep dre)

[dav7z]

Would you guys give away Diaw, or Nazz and DJ AND a first round pick . To one of the teams thet could take on salery. We might only get back just a second in return ??

If we had a second move in place to pick up say a Billups or a player of his caliber. To take full advantage of the Dust chip??

Im thinking this is the type trade we trying to put toghter??

Other Wize i think we sign flip and go into camp with what we got . And just cut the Dust.


THOUGHTS
Til we hear some rumors ., We not going to spend weeks making this move at this point.

[spectre]

Would you guys give away Diaw, or Nazz and DJ AND a first round pick . To one of the teams thet could take on salery. We might only get back just a second in return ??

It had better net us a darn good return.

[Chef]

Would you guys give away Diaw, or Nazz and DJ AND a first round pick . To one of the teams thet could take on salery. We might only get back just a second in return ??

If we had a second move in place to pick up say a Billups or a player of his caliber. To take full advantage of the Dust chip??

Im thinking this is the type trade we trying to put toghter??

Other Wize i think we sign flip and go into camp with what we got . And just cut the Dust.


THOUGHTS
Til we hear some rumors ., We not going to spend weeks making this move at this point.

nope for either. diaw will be a good player for us this year and a very valuable expiring next year. naz will have value later, DJ could still prove to be a valuable player and i am tired of peeling off draft picks left and right. unless they could land us a ECF caliber team i wouldn't even entertain it.

[ALuhrs704]

has there been any actual reports out there yet? i know were all kina speculating but im kinda dissapointed i havent heard any legit rumors yet.

[teej]

(or we'd have heard about it).

The only trades I remember us having any inkling about before the day of were Gana and Tyrus. And even Tyrus was still a surprise.

Major trades under Rod:

J-Rich (somewhat out of the blue)
Nazr for Primoz/Herrman (out of the blue)
Diaw/Bell for J-Rich/JMZ (out of the blue)
Gana for MC/Twiggy (somewhat anticipated)
Vladi for AmMo/Shannon (out of the blue)
TC for Mek (out of the blue)
Jack for Raja/Vladi (out of the blue)
TT for Flip/1st (very lightly anticipated)
Theo (out of the blue)
Damp/MC/Eddie for TC/AA (out of the blue)

Only 1 of 10 was not surprising. Only 3 of 10 weren't totally shocking.

I'd say Rod has 5-10 deals he's working on, but we'll only know if one goes down.

And note that there were several "almost" trades that were rumored and never happened (see Calderon, Jose).

[spectre]

The only trades I remember us having any inkling about before the day of were Gana and Tyrus. And even Tyrus was still a surprise.

Major trades under Rod:

J-Rich (somewhat out of the blue)
Nazr for Primoz/Herrman (out of the blue)
Diaw/Bell for J-Rich/JMZ (out of the blue)
Gana for MC/Twiggy (somewhat anticipated)
Vladi for AmMo/Shannon (out of the blue)
TC for Mek (out of the blue)
Jack for Raja/Vladi (out of the blue)
TT for Flip/1st (very lightly anticipated)
Theo (out of the blue)
Damp/MC/Eddie for TC/AA (out of the blue)

Only 1 of 10 was not surprising. Only 3 of 10 weren't totally shocking.

I'd say Rod has 5-10 deals he's working on, but we'll only know if one goes down.

And note that there were several "almost" trades that were rumored and never happened (see Calderon, Jose).

Well, you can't really pull out that one quote of mine without changing what I meant.



"The conversations have been had around the league,'' Higgins said. "I don't know if there's going to be anything that subsequently gets done.''

Higgins has pretty much talked to everyone in the league over the last 60 days so unless something really freaky changes he should know what the options are.

If there was a home run move out there don't you think we'd have jumped on it just as soon as it was feasible?

That's the type I was saying we'd have probably heard about...just like we "heard" of the interest in CP & the interest in Mello.

I have no doubt they can pull out a trade with no clear winner (or worse...us being the clear loser) and us not hear about it. That would be like your list except for Theo...which was basically one friend helping another out.

[teej]

If there was a home run move out there don't you think we'd have jumped on it just as soon as it was feasible?

Yes, but you still have to do due diligence, and that takes weeks or months. It's like buying a small business, you have to look at all the numbers, try to project, and get everyone to sign off on it.


I have no doubt they can pull out a trade with no clear winner (or worse...us being the clear loser) and us not hear about it. That would be like your list except for Theo...which was basically one friend helping another out.

Jack wasn't a clear winner? And I can argue the case for all except Gana and Vladi...

[dav7z]

nope for either. diaw will be a good player for us this year and a very valuable expiring next year. naz will have value later, DJ could still prove to be a valuable player and i am tired of peeling off draft picks left and right. unless they could land us a ECF caliber team i wouldn't even entertain it.


I think the frunt office is having that problem . Giveing up to much to get under the cap. Its a catch 22 you are damned either way.

I agree with Spectre we better be getting a damn nice return. Another option would be a three or four team trade taking back far less money . But a team with tons of cap space would have to be included thair.Even though Damp is a great trading piece we are not in a fianancal shape to use it to its fullest thair fore making a very hard trade.

[spectre]

Yes, but you still have to do due diligence, and that takes weeks or months. It's like buying a small business, you have to look at all the numbers, try to project, and get everyone to sign off on it.

They've had 60 days. According to Higgins they did their due diligence during that stretch. He insinuated that there's not much out there other than what they already know.

It's not too late; I could see it taking up til the end of the week for a no brainer deal that they'd already set up.


Jack wasn't a clear winner? And I can argue the case for all except Gana and Vladi...

At the time of the trade? Hell no! Jax was known as a trouble maker and he'd just demanded a trade...and it wasn't to Charlotte. In fact, he'd said he wanted to go to one of the Texas teams (among others I think), which meant a winning team. We'd yet to make the playoffs ever.

It could just as easily blown up in our faces.

Now...obviously a clear winner.
.

And I can argue the case for all except Gana and Vladi......and I can argue on why they weren't.

Instead of doing that though let's just say we did and it was a draw. :p

[teej]

At the time of the trade? Hell no! Jax was known as a trouble maker and he'd just demanded a trade...and it wasn't to Charlotte. In fact, he'd said he wanted to go to one of the Texas teams (among others I think), which meant a winning team. We'd yet to make the playoffs ever.

It could just as easily blown up in our faces.

Now...obviously a clear winner.

When you get a near All-Star on a reasonable contract for a scrub and an expiring contract, that's a win, regardless of the situation.

There are plenty of trades that were "clear wins" at the time that totally turned around to blow up. You can't judge on trade day (although ESPN likes to) and IIRC, Cleveland was declared champs when they got Shaq. Wasn't such a clear win, was it?

[spectre]

When you get a near All-Star on a reasonable contract for a scrub and an expiring contract, that's a win, regardless of the situation.

There are plenty of trades that were "clear wins" at the time that totally turned around to blow up. You can't judge on trade day (although ESPN likes to) and IIRC, Cleveland was declared champs when they got Shaq. Wasn't such a clear win, was it?

Say we made that trade, Jax clashed with LB's style of coaching and demanded out within the 1st month. His trade value was already crap (look what we gave up for him) and no one else really even wanted him before we came along. It's very possible we'd have been stuck and we'd be playing a guy 10 per to stay home.

Never say always.

Jax had also just signed that extension that kicks in this year. I don't think I've seen anyone call it "reasonable" in a publication...most call it overpaid. Personally I don't think it's that bad, but the length and the amount as well as his age the last two at least makes it "iffy".

[teej]

Say we made that trade, Jax clashed with LB's style of coaching and demanded out within the 1st month. His trade value was already crap (look what we gave up for him) and no one else really even wanted him before we came along. It's very possible we'd have been stuck and we'd be playing a guy 10 per to stay home.

Never say always.

Jax had also just signed that extension that kicks in this year. I don't think I've seen anyone call it "reasonable" in a publication...most call it overpaid. Personally I don't think it's that bad, but the length and the amount as well as his age the last two at least makes it "iffy".

If it didn't work out, it means we'd have had two guys making over 6 mil that were worthless instead of one. It's not like this team needs cap space until Jack's contract is an expiring anyways.

And his contract is less than Monta Ellis, for more value. He can be no older than 35 in this contract, and that's for no more than two months of postseason action. He's in all liklihood going to be a high quality starter for the duration, barring a massive injury or unexpected decline. If we were talking about Crash being 35 I'd be a lot more worried, since he's a high flyer, athletic type, but Jack plays based on skills and smarts more than athleticism. His contract is more than reasonable, especially seeing what Joe Johnson got paid.

[spectre]

If it didn't work out Raja would have expired by now and Vlad would be an expiring. Just because we've blown all our space for the next few years doesn't mean it isn't valuable.

No one thought that contract was a good signing at the time.

You might think it was a home run deal at the time but it's pretty obvious no one else did...else we'd never have been the high bidder with those two "worthless" players we gave up.

Taking him was a risk. It panned out, but there was no guarantee it would when we took it.

[teej]

Taking him was a risk.

Yes it was. I'm not saying he was an uber-valuable player. But for the situation the team was in, and for the price, it was smart.

If you go back and look at the "home run" acquisitions this past summer, none of them worked, and depending who you listen to, some backfired. Shaq was supposed to bring Cleveland a title. VC was supposed to get the Magic ahead of the Lakers. Richard Jefferson was supposed to give the Spurs the extra boost in the West. Yet each team regressed from the previous season.

Each situation is different. The 'Cats needed badly to make the playoffs, so risks were necessary. If you were the Cavs, Mavs, etc. it didn't make as much sense to risk so much when you were already close. Same deal here. The 'Cats need to either advance or regress. If they trade for Melo, they're taking the risk of regression to try to advance. Either one works, they just need to figure out which it is.

[ALuhrs704]

the JAX deal was a homerun deal last year. if it didnt work out, we wouldnt have lost anything last year. we were ugly on offense until jax came, and i'd like to think he was a major reason we made the playoffs. i dont see how it could not be a hr deal

[spectre]

Yes it was. I'm not saying he was an uber-valuable player. But for the situation the team was in, and for the price, it was smart.

If you go back and look at the "home run" acquisitions this past summer, none of them worked, and depending who you listen to, some backfired. Shaq was supposed to bring Cleveland a title. VC was supposed to get the Magic ahead of the Lakers. Richard Jefferson was supposed to give the Spurs the extra boost in the West. Yet each team regressed from the previous season.

Each situation is different. The 'Cats needed badly to make the playoffs, so risks were necessary. If you were the Cavs, Mavs, etc. it didn't make as much sense to risk so much when you were already close. Same deal here. The 'Cats need to either advance or regress. If they trade for Melo, they're taking the risk of regression to try to advance. Either one works, they just need to figure out which it is.

I didn't say we shouldn't have taken the risk...but the risk was definitely there. Especially with that contract. Go ahead and Google it; every team that was thinking about him was worried about that new deal he'd just signed.

That also prompted Don Nelson saying "It's harder than hell to trade that guy".

I don't consider any of those home runs...and esp. Dickie Jefferson. I thought the Spurs were fools at the time bailing out Milwaukee like they did. A home run to me is something like Gasol to LAL for Kwame Brown (tho Memphis did well with the picks). CP for Damp and youth/picks. Stuff like that.

[spectre]

the JAX deal was a homerun deal last year. if it didnt work out, we wouldnt have lost anything last year. we were ugly on offense until jax came, and i'd like to think he was a major reason we made the playoffs. i dont see how it could not be a hr deal

Yeah...tell that to Golden State. They probably thought the same thing that summer when they gave him that fat contract.

That's why every other team was after him and we had to offer our stellar package to trump all the other offers. :cool:

[teej]

I didn't say we shouldn't have taken the risk...but the risk was definitely there. Especially with that contract. Go ahead and Google it; every team that was thinking about him was worried about that new deal he'd just signed.

Oh, I totally understand that. And like I said, it wouldn't necessarily have been a home run deal for those teams. But in the situation Rod and MJ were in, it was for them. It could be a home run one place but a disaster somewhere else. It's all on a case-by-case basis.


I don't consider any of those home runs...and esp. Dickie Jefferson. I thought the Spurs were fools at the time bailing out Milwaukee like they did. A home run to me is something like Gasol to LAL for Kwame Brown (tho Memphis did well with the picks). CP for Damp and youth/picks. Stuff like that.

I agree with you. But I'm going by what the media defined as home run.

[ALuhrs704]

cleveland wanted jackson bad too.... but dampier just got waived according to cranstons twitter..... i guess we are stuck with what we got right now, baring a vet like flip, i wonder if this will have an effect on diaws trade status?