What's going on - The return of ballwhore

[ballwhore]

DJ leaves today at 6."Going to claim his shit" words from his mouth. Front office is looking to package Dampier, Wallace and a draft pick to Denver for Melo. LB is a b#tch he wanted to leave so he will continue to b#tch. The rookie swagger is back 14pts 8 assist i'm callin it he doesn't want to be traded anymore. I miss you guys please forward your addresses so I can send flowers.

Love,


Ballwhore

[bing!]

I love you.

[SWedd523]

Sidd-whore-tha?

Con-whore-cius?

St. Whore?

Mo-whore-med?

Whore-ndhi?





Testicle prostitute, I think I love you :D

[ziggy]

Ballwhore



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The return of Ballwhore... My life is complete! :biggrin:

Let me ask you this, What kind of physical condition is DJ in?

[Chef]

1. damp can't be included unless it is separate deals
2. salaries aren't close
3. who else are we getting back, better be billups, because we don't get any better with this trade and ownership knows it
4. i love me some ballwhore

[BIGCatBobcat]

Testicle Prostitute....
If DJ leaves that means we lose you forever! So you're saying, DJ, Gerald and Damp for Melo?

What's this on LB being a bitch? You can't say bitch so you put a "#" in there? Seriously?

[ziggy]

Another question for... Mr. Whore.


What was DJ's reaction to the Bobcats acquisition of Shawn Livingston? Is DJ concerned that LB might put Livingston in the starting lineup instead of him?

[SWedd523]

Mr. Testicle Prostitute, sir--What is DJ's favorite color? I'm curious because I'm knitting him an "I hope you have a good season" sweater and want it to be PERFECT!

[ziggy]

Mr. Testicle Prostitute, sir--What is DJ's favorite color? I'm curious because I'm knitting him an "I hope you have a good season" sweater and want it to be PERFECT!

Don't forget to include the "Improve your FG%" matching scarf :biggrin:


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[Toocool]

Please tell me 'Whore of the ball' how the salaries magically match up.

[TheLegend]

Isn't that the guy that said if the bobcats don't win two games that he was going to do something with his balls? lol

[Toocool]

Isn't that the guy that said if the bobcats don't win two games that he was going to do something with his balls? lol

Nah, he plays with his balls regardless of whether the Bobcats win or lose.

[Black]

I'd like the deal a lot more if it netted us another starter.

Something like:

Wallace
Dampier
Nazr

for

Melo
Nene

Works salary wise.

[Chef]

I'd like the deal a lot more if it netted us another starter.

Something like:

Wallace
Dampier
Nazr

for

Melo
Nene

Works salary wise.

has to be:
wallace
damp
nazr

for
melo
billups

if we don't get a top tier pg there is no point in getting melo. plus, billups expires in two years, just in time to sign cp3 in 2012. in this scenario.

my wet dream would be to trade jax instead of crash and run melo at the 2.

then sign cp3.

cp3
melo
crash
tt
who cares

[Dcarnys]

Not without Billups!!!!! And there better be a new contract with mello, Im not getting rid of crash to have mello for 1 year.

[Chef]

t minus 5 hours. i am so giddy with anticipation of being disappointed by ballwhore once again.

[dav7z]

DJ leaves today at 6."Going to claim his shit" words from his mouth. Front office is looking to package Dampier, Wallace and a draft pick to Denver for Melo. LB is a b#tch he wanted to leave so he will continue to b#tch. The rookie swagger is back 14pts 8 assist i'm callin it he doesn't want to be traded anymore. I miss you guys please forward your addresses so I can send flowers.

Love,


Ballwhore

Two things i noticed , Ballwhore makes it sound as if DJ has all ready been traded. Saying things like ,leaves today at 6 and he doesn't want to be traded any more. DJ has never been traded ? DJ might all ready know hes gone. Ballwhore has called some of our biggest moves be for they happen. He all so seems to all ways have a inside track about DJ.


All so notice Ballwhores wording , The front ofice is looking to package. He makes it sound like two different things.
I don't have the inside sorces Ballwhore has , But i just checked again and it's still rumblings about Denver. But i have nothing about DJ at all . This has the makings of a couple instresting weeks.

[Black]

I think he means DJ is coming to Charlotte at six, not being traded.

[ziggy]

I think he means DJ is coming to Charlotte at six, not being traded.

That's the way I interpreted it also.

[UNCCatFan]

Being unfarmiliar with Ballwhores reputation, what kind of value should be put on this information?

[ND22]

Word from my boy up in the Queen City. Matt Caroll is coming in at 6 to, "get himself a fucking cinabon." Says he's tired of buying morning buns from Starbucks.

[DY_nasty]

Being unfarmiliar with Ballwhores reputation, what kind of value should be put on this information?
He's right more often than people give him credit for. Just this offseason he hit the Felton scenario on the head.

[dav7z]

He's right more often than people give him credit for. Just this offseason he hit the Felton scenario on the head.

So you guys are saying hes just calling a Mello trade , What else did he hit ? The Chandler trade and the Rich trade ? Can't remember? I know it was one big one.

[Black]

The Richardson trade I believe.

[DY_nasty]

So you guys are saying hes just calling a Mello trade , What else did he hit ? The Chandler trade and the Rich trade ? Can't remember? I know it was one big one.
Recently he was right about the TJ/DJ proposed deal that fell through at the last second and Felton being allowed to walk.

[Felton for Prez]

I thought he meant he was going to CLT to clean out his locker (aka "get his shit")

I thought Damp couldn't be included with others until the 13th?

[spectre]

He also predicted that Larry Brown wouldn't return this season (like Flip...DJ was intimidated by him).

[UNCCatFan]

well then, i kinda hope he is right. it is possible for us to make a deal such as this and get billups where we trade damp for billups, then gerald, dj and maybe nazr for melo

[ammofan]

Well only time will tell if hes right....

[Chef]

here's the thing, and I am not downplaying any posts by ballwhore his track record is pretty good and he does have legitimate ties to the organization, why would denver do this deal? it is pure speculation that it involves either billups or nene. for all we know it could be balkman and jr smith to make the salaries work. either way, the clippers and rockets can offer much much better deals as far as rebuilding plus stars go and if they want to send melo east nj is the better trade partner.

my first thought was they want damp's contract, but they can get that from us and don't need melo to do it. a simple billups for damp + a pick would do it. they can have damp plus get a nice deal from nj, sending melo east, by just including us in the dealings. it just doesn't make sense for denver to do a two team trade involving melo with us.

[UNCCatFan]

here's the thing, and I am not downplaying any posts by ballwhore his track record is pretty good and he does have legitimate ties to the organization, why would denver do this deal? it is pure speculation that it involves either billups or nene. for all we know it could be balkman and jr smith to make the salaries work. either way, the clippers and rockets can offer much much better deals as far as rebuilding plus stars go and if they want to send melo east nj is the better trade partner.

my first thought was they want damp's contract, but they can get that from us and don't need melo to do it. a simple billups for damp + a pick would do it. they can have damp plus get a nice deal from nj, sending melo east, by just including us in the dealings. it just doesn't make sense for denver to do a two team trade involving melo with us.

its hard for me to see denver trading melo to a team in the west

[DY_nasty]

NJ has pieces, a LOT of good pieces, but I doubt they're ready to use up all of their assets just to land one guy. They've laid out one hell of a foundation... it may sound odd to say, but they don't really need Carmelo. In 4-5 years, if they stay their present course, they'll be looking really good anyways.

Charlotte on the other hand... They get Damp, they save a fortune instantly, get picks/prospects, and an all-star back. Hard to argue with that. Especially if they're trying to remain competitive while retooling their roster.

[Chef]

NJ has pieces, a LOT of good pieces, but I doubt they're ready to use up all of their assets just to land one guy. They've laid out one hell of a foundation... it may sound odd to say, but they don't really need Carmelo. In 4-5 years, if they stay their present course, they'll be looking really good anyways.

Charlotte on the other hand... They get Damp, they save a fortune instantly, get picks/prospects, and an all-star back. Hard to argue with that. Especially if they're trying to remain competitive while retooling their roster.

favors
harris
#1 pick

hardly a foundation. their foundation just won 12 games last year. lopez is the only piece they have that they won't part with. remember, if they get melo, they get cp3. they already have gone on record as saying harris, favors and picks are available for an extended melo. clearly the better deal, plus they can include us to get damp.

[Weezy21]

favors
harris
#1 pick

hardly a foundation. their foundation just won 12 games last year. lopez is the only piece they have that they won't part with. remember, if they get melo, they get cp3. they already have gone on record as saying harris, favors and picks are available for an extended melo. clearly the better deal, plus they can include us to get damp.

maybe we are playing hardball...but hey if they would throw us billups then i say enuff with the hardball

[Chef]

maybe we are playing hardball...but hey if they would throw us billups then i say enuff with the hardball

that's my point. i am not doubting dj is gone as ballwhore says. i am seriously doubting melo to us for crash, unless denver thinks that keeps their team together enough to compete out west, in that case they won't be trading billups or nene which means we get no better in the end.

i think it will be damp + dj for a pg or damp + dj + nazr for some combo i haven't thought of yet in a 3 team deal with nj, houston or lac.

[DY_nasty]

favors
harris
#1 pick

hardly a foundation. their foundation just won 12 games last year. lopez is the only piece they have that they won't part with. remember, if they get melo, they get cp3. they already have gone on record as saying harris, favors and picks are available for an extended melo. clearly the better deal, plus they can include us to get damp.
thats not really indicative of the whole situation, they only 12 games yeah, but most of that was the habit of losing. contrary to popular belief, nj wasn't the worse team in the NBA last year - it was minnesota, by a long shot.

Denver was also pretty dead set on Lopez, thats not happening.

[polarcat]

so, 6pm is the magic time according to ballwhore. between jrich, tj/dj swap, and felton walking, i am not rejecting this speculation nor am i resting easy that melo will be a bobcat at the start of the season. i could see us pulling this off if either billups or nene are packaged with melo. i honestly hope the dust chip gets us something solid in return that increases our success rather than a lateral "who gives a shit" move. i like the plan of billups coming in for a couple of seasons to improve our pg situation until cp3 becomes available... with an extended carmelo already in the fold.

....and i just blew a wad.

[Weezy21]

so, 6pm is the magic time according to ballwhore. between jrich, tj/dj swap, and felton walking, i am not rejecting this speculation nor am i resting easy that melo will be a bobcat at the start of the season. i could see us pulling this off if either billups or nene are packaged with melo. i honestly hope the dust chip gets us something solid in return that increases our success rather than a lateral "who gives a shit" move. i like the plan of billups coming in for a couple of seasons to improve our pg situation until cp3 becomes available... with an extended carmelo already in the fold.

....and i just blew a wad.

u blew mine for me....no homo...ok nvm theres no way for it not to sound gay

[dav7z]

here's the thing, and I am not downplaying any posts by ballwhore his track record is pretty good and he does have legitimate ties to the organization, why would denver do this deal? it is pure speculation that it involves either billups or nene. for all we know it could be balkman and jr smith to make the salaries work. either way, the clippers and rockets can offer much much better deals as far as rebuilding plus stars go and if they want to send melo east nj is the better trade partner.

my first thought was they want damp's contract, but they can get that from us and don't need melo to do it. a simple billups for damp + a pick would do it. they can have damp plus get a nice deal from nj, sending melo east, by just including us in the dealings. it just doesn't make sense for denver to do a two team trade involving melo with us.

I think you guys are undervalueing Wallace . Hes a All Star a better defender and rebounder than Mello . In s/f rankings hes ranked 5th with Mello being ranked 4th. Denver gets a much better contract and a 1st round pick without much drop off in the position.
Favors and a couple picks equals WALLACE ? . I don't know if we should even do this considering contracts and abilitys ? If we jumping in we may as well go after Billups and Nane and try to win the east.

[DY_nasty]

I think you guys are undervalueing Wallace . Hes a All Star a better defender and rebounder than Mello . In s/f rankings hes ranked 5th with Mello being ranked 4th. Denver gets a much better contract and a 1st round pick without much drop off in the position.
Favors and a couple picks equals WALLACE ? . I don't know if we should even do this considering contracts and abilitys ? If we jumping in we may as well go after Billups and Nane and try to win the east.
In fantasy basketball only.

No one in their right mind would say that Wallace is a better player than Carmelo.

[dav7z]

In fantasy basketball only.

No one in their right mind would say that Wallace is a better player than Carmelo.


Im not saying Wallace is a better player. But if i was Denver getting Wallace and a first is not a bad offer. I would do it over what NJ offered. Lopez is the only thing that would make the NJ offer better.

But for this to work we have to give up more value.

Im thinking it would look kinda like this.
Wallace, DJ, Henderson, and a first, For Melo Thats what it would take in salery.

[UNCCatFan]

Im not saying Wallace is a better player. But if i was Denver getting Wallace and a first is not a bad offer. I would do it over what NJ offered. Lopez is the only thing that would make the NJ offer better.

But for this to work we have to give up more value.

Im thinking it would look kinda like this.
Wallace, DJ, Henderson, and a first, For Melo Thats what it would take in salery.

Dampier is going to be involved with any trade we make. although that could be a seperate trade for billups since he cant be paired up with anyone yet

[dav7z]

Dampier is going to be involved with any trade we make. although that could be a seperate trade for billups since he cant be paired up with anyone yet

Any thing that would include Wallace , and Damp would have to come after the 13th Im all most sure Diaw will be included in any Damp trade.


But lets say this went down today Damp can't be included.

[ballwhore]

DJ will be in Charlotte at 6 not traded.

[ohara831]

I'm just watching and waiting. Watching and waiting.

[eleaf14]

DJ will be in Charlotte at 6 not traded.


Glad you didnt deadbeat your thread. But one question for ya...when should we expect this?

[BETCATS]

Im gonna just sit in the stands on this one.
But if we really trade Wallace for Carmelo i will probably just become a Nuggets fan and leave you guys alone. (i know that by saying that, half of you are going to call Mike up personally and put more presure on him to get it done) We would be a lottery team the day Carmelo leaves us (whether that be after this year or 5 years from now, he will not retire a Bobcat). Jordan wouldnt drop him from Jordan Brand because he would still be making money, and it is not like Carmelo couldnt just switch to Adidas, Reebok, or one of those chinese companies that everyone else is going to if he did.

[SCBobcat]

DJ will be in Charlotte at 6 not traded.

Good. I look forward to that rookie swagger being ON our team."Claiming his shit" must mean that starting job that he knows should be his. He was so cold-blooded that first year. I can't wait to see that again.

[Chef]

DJ will be in Charlotte at 6 not traded.

so i guess this means that dj is leaving wherever he was and coming to charlotte to claim his starting pg spot.

secondly, wallace + damp and a pick gets traded for melo

still need someone else in the trade. in that case, it would have to be wallace + damp + nazr for melo and nene for me to be on board (not that that matters at all anyway)

dj/livingston
jax/hendo
melo/ups
diaw/tt
nene/kwame/diop

that could work i guess. still don't see it being any better than a 4 or 5 seed. sorry, ballwhore color me skeptical on the whole deal. not saying you aren't reporting good info, i just don't see the logic in it if i am jordan.

[ballwhore]

Didn't say it was a done deal but was told they are trying. We'll see soon enough. Check this off topic http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Anybg0Vyk8ua_8uMkmQhaA.8vLYF?slug=tsn-166987

[ND22]

so i guess this means that dj is leaving wherever he was and coming to charlotte to claim his starting pg spot.

secondly, wallace + damp and a pick gets traded for melo

still need someone else in the trade. in that case, it would have to be wallace + damp + nazr for melo and nene for me to be on board (not that that matters at all anyway)

dj/livingston
jax/hendo
melo/ups
diaw/tt
nene/kwame/diop

that could work i guess. still don't see it being any better than a 4 or 5 seed. sorry, ballwhore color me skeptical on the whole deal. not saying you aren't reporting good info, i just don't see the logic in it if i am jordan.

A 4 or 5 seed is still much better off than we are at now, which is a fringe playoff team.

[ammofan]

Ballwhore:

Chances this gets done? Or that we make some sort of deal after September 13th when Dampier can be packaged with other players?

[BIGCatBobcat]

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/19723/tuesday-bullets-199

4th item there: A Nuggets fan who has put in a lot of thought suggests his team make a series of trades that would turn Carmelo Anthony, Ty Lawson and the expiring contracts of J.R. Smith and Kenyon Martin into Jason Kidd, Tyson Chandler, Gerald Wallace and some other stuff. My guess is that the Bobcats won't part with their first-ever All-Star for expiring contracts, but I love this kind of scheming.

[Woodsy23]

im so confused, whats DJ doing at 6 :confused:

[Black]

im so confused, whats DJ doing at 6 :confused:

DJ was not in NC, presumably in New Orleans, where he is from. At 6, he boarded a flight for Charlotte, where he will begin to train, and claim his position as the starting point guard of the Charlotte Bobcats.

[ND22]

I like the attitude though, "claim my shit." He's not messing around, he wants it. Good to see he's driven to prove he's a starting pg.

[Toocool]

DJ means business then? I'm all for it. Looks like the kid has his swagger back, which was shown all through his rookie campaign (and went missing during his 2nd year).

[Chef]

ok so if it is damp and crash and a pick out it has to be 23-24 back in. i suspect it would be melo and jr smith.

does this get denver under the cap? if it does i could see them doing it and trying to get back to the WCF by basically swapping melo for crash. which means no billups or nene going out.

the question is, should we do this? if melo is not extended...hell no. if he is, it all but guarantees cp3 in 2012. but in the meantime is a lineup of:
dj/livingston
jax/hendo
melo/ups
diaw/tt
nazr/kawme/diop

better or worse than with crash but under the tax?

[spectre]

if he is, it all but guarantees cp3 in 2012.

That's the only reason I do it. I don't know that we'd be better off swapping Melo & Crash right off, esp. with the other assets we'd have to add in AND being tied because of the LT issues.

[GoBobs]

No way I would give up wallace without an extension and even then it would be very hard. Geralds D is about as good as melos offense. Geralds offense is way better then melos D. And he makes half the money and won't leave at the end of the year!

[Weezy21]

ok so if it is damp and crash and a pick out it has to be 23-24 back in. i suspect it would be melo and jr smith.

does this get denver under the cap? if it does i could see them doing it and trying to get back to the WCF by basically swapping melo for crash. which means no billups or nene going out.

the question is, should we do this? if melo is not extended...hell no. if he is, it all but guarantees cp3 in 2012. but in the meantime is a lineup of:
dj/livingston
jax/hendo
melo/ups
diaw/tt
nazr/kawme/diop

better or worse than with crash but under the tax?

wouldnt he be in the line up as well?

[Chef]

wouldnt he be in the line up as well?

opps you're right, but he would be super sixth man behind jax. which is why he is unhappy in denver. he wants to start. jr would be a one year rental or trade deadline send out.

either way is it worth going over the tax for two years waiting for cp3 to come?

[ALuhrs704]

can we please find another way to do this w/o trading crash? i may cry. i know melo is melo and what it means for our chances with cp3. but i'd almost rather get chauncy and keep gerald. i think that makes us better then getting melo basically for gerald. unless we get melo and chauncy. but i'd be sad. they already traded mek who is one of my heros. if wallace is gone then my head my explode. end of day, tho idc as long as we are better than last year.

[Fred Williamson]

good god, no. now this whole crap starts again.

And I don't want Melo unless he signs a 3year extension

[DY_nasty]

good god, no. now this whole crap starts again.

And I don't want Melo unless he signs a 3year extension
No team anywhere would trade for an all-star rental in this situation. Too much would have to be given up. He'd be traded and extended in the same day no matter where he went.

[CatNation]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5xebCq6lfk

[ALuhrs704]

i think i hate ballwhore. everytime he post something i get way way way to excited for something to happen

[TheBeagle]

Ballwhore!!!! Long time, man. Glad that your boy's mind is in the right place and ready to tear shit up this year as a starter. That's what we need, as opposed to Carmelo. Really, unless we get an extention AND can get Chris here after in '12, I'd rather have GW. That said, I think Melo and Jack could work some magic together on offense, but I don't know it'd help us win any more games, especially with the coach we have in place.

[Chef]

not sure ballwhore was given good info:
does the chicago deal make more sense for denver? yes deng is more expensive, but offensively better than wallace. gibson and johnson are both very solid players and they can offer draft picks.

Marc J. Spears of Yahoo! Sports reports that Carmelo Anthony would still like to depart Denver before the season begins.

A source with knowledge of Anthony's plans told Yahoo! Sports that his preferred destinations are Chicago and New York.

The Bulls' offer would need to include Luol Deng who could be packaged along with Taj Gibson and James Johnson. Chicago also has multiple draft picks to offer the Nuggets.

New York has limited assets to acquire Anthony via trade and officials from the team would like to pursue him in free agency.


Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/69036/20100908/melo_still_hoping_for_trade_to_bulls_knicks/#ixzz0z27TMo7j

[thesnowman22]

No way do we trade GW for that deal. Not happening.

[ebrown]

I would drive Gerald to the airport to get Melo. As good as his defense is we need someone who can consistently score. Jax was not all that consistent. Besides, Melo is a once in a lifetime opportunity, how do you not try to do everything to get him?

[Weezy21]

not sure ballwhore was given good info:
does the chicago deal make more sense for denver? yes deng is more expensive, but offensively better than wallace. gibson and johnson are both very solid players and they can offer draft picks.

Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/69036/20100908/melo_still_hoping_for_trade_to_bulls_knicks/#ixzz0z27TMo7j

I dont think ballwhore was given bad info...he didnt say it was happening...he said what we were trying to package to get melo...an yes if i was denver, id take the trade with chicago WAYY before taking the one with us

[eleaf14]

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nba/news/story?id=5550421

Looks like Denver doesnt want Deng. Bulls are discussing Noah. I still think we have better chips to offer. Wallace is an All-Star and a direct replacement at Melo's position. Plus we can offer immediate relief and future picks.

[Black]

If Noah is sent to Denver, they have no use for Nene. One will end up unhappy, and you can't really play either of them at the 4.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nba/news/story?id=5550421

Looks like Denver doesnt want Deng. Bulls are discussing Noah. I still think we have better chips to offer. Wallace is an All-Star and a direct replacement at Melo's position. Plus we can offer immediate relief and future picks.If we somehow get Melo in place of Crash and that makes most of you happy, you will rue the day you thought that was a good thing. Crash may not be an elite scorer but he scores well enough. Last season he improved his offense and there is no reason to believe he would not do so this season. Even if he doesn't he is still a more complete player than Melo. Melo is highly overrated and you will all see that if/when we get him.

I would much rather replace Jax with a top 4 or 5 SG than to replace Crash with Carmelo Anthony.

On a side note, I am a Nuggets fan as well as a Bobcats fan so I can handle the Nuggets getting Crash. If it would mean somehow both teams came out better than they were that would be great. I don't see it happening though. Larry Brown may need some people to score but I think he and us would seriously miss what Crash brings to the team. Crash is the ultimate TEAM player and his hard work and dedication rubs off on his teammates. I am not so sure Carmelo is as dedicated and hard working as Crash. Watching him, he has never seemed like that. I could be wrong though. So far it seems that the only aspect of Carmelo's game that consistently improves is his offense. Crash has lifted many aspects of his game since Larry Brown became our Bobcats head coach.

[Chef]

If we somehow get Melo in place of Crash and that makes most of you happy, you will rue the day you thought that was a good thing. Crash may not be an elite scorer but he scores well enough. Last season he improved his offense and there is no reason to believe he would not do so this season. Even if he doesn't he is still a more complete player than Melo. Melo is highly overrated and you will all see that if/when we get him.

I would much rather replace Jax with a top 4 or 5 SG than to replace Crash with Carmelo Anthony.

On a side note, I am a Nuggets fan as well as a Bobcats fan so I can handle the Nuggets getting Crash. If it would mean somehow both teams came out better than they were that would be great. I don't see it happening though. Larry Brown may need some people to score but I think he and us would seriously miss what Crash brings to the team. Crash is the ultimate TEAM player and his hard work and dedication rubs off on his teammates. I am not so sure Carmelo is as dedicated and hard working as Crash. Watching him, he has never seemed like that. I could be wrong though. So far it seems that the only aspect of Carmelo's game that consistently improves is his offense. Crash has lifted many aspects of his game since Larry Brown became our Bobcats head coach.

i agree with this with this exception. what if melo guarantees cp3? does that change your view.

[DY_nasty]

Carmelo took one of the bottom feeders of the NBA and turned into one the best teams in the West almost overnight.

Gerald is fun to watch.

[Chef]

Carmelo took one of the bottom feeders of the NBA and turned into one the best teams in the West almost overnight.

Gerald is fun to watch.

actually it was when they got chauncey that they moved to a 2nd or 3rd round playoff team.

[ALuhrs704]

if we get nene and chauncy we are a top 4 team in the east ( as long a were keeping the core we got now). if we get melo...... might not be as good this year but the sky is the limit. i just feel like at the end of the day he's going big market for extension

[Chef]

if we get nene and chauncy we are a top 4 team in the east ( as long a were keeping the core we got now). if we get melo...... might not be as good this year but the sky is the limit. i just feel like at the end of the day he's going big market for extension

it doesn't look like they are trying to rebuild this year. so i imagine they won't part with both billups and nene. unless they get noah from the bulls and decide to part with nene for damp although i think they could do better than damp for nene.

[dav7z]

I dont think ballwhore was given bad info...he didnt say it was happening...he said what we were trying to package to get melo...an yes if i was denver, id take the trade with chicago WAYY before taking the one with us

Im not so sure Chicagos deal is better for Denver.
Remember Dust by its self saves them 26 million dollars THIS season. Its not a expiring or any contract in the league thet will save them that much instant money.
Personaly i would rather see us land Billups and keep Crash than trade Crash for Melo.

I think a lot is hinging on the 13th and what the Bobcats do be for a lot of teams finish thair rosters.
EXAMPLES Addmuson and Flip . If we was to just cut dust . I think we might sign both guys. All i know is thair is still rumbles with Denver going on. What comes out of it i have no idea.

[dav7z]

This is what im hopeing for' Out, Dust, Diaw, In Billups, Smith, Anderson it makes us deep and balanced . And i think Brown would love to get Billups back. With Brown this is a top four team in the east.

Billups, DJ, Livingston
Jax, Smith ,Hendo
Wallace, Nijera, Carroll
Thomas,Anderson , Mcguire [WHO THE HELL IS THAT]
Anderson , Brown , Diop

I think Smith plays 30+ with this line up,

[dav7z]

I dont think ballwhore was given bad info...he didnt say it was happening...he said what we were trying to package to get melo...an yes if i was denver, id take the trade with chicago WAYY before taking the one with us

Im not so sure Chicagos deal is better for Denver.
Remember Dust by its self saves them 26 million dollars THIS season. Its not a expiring or any contract in the league thet will save them that much instant money.
Personaly i would rather see us land Billups and keep Crash than trade Crash for Melo.

I think a lot is hinging on the 13th and what the Bobcats do be for a lot of teams finish thair rosters.
EXAMPLES Addmuson and Flip . If we was to just cut dust . I think we might sign both guys. All i know is thair is still rumbles with Denver going on. What comes out of it i have no idea.

[DY_nasty]

Denver wants no part of Deng's contract, I can guarantee you that much.

And when did Birdman turn into a center? Dude's a high energy guy and is fun to watch but I might throw up if I have to see him start for more than 5 games at center for us.

[GOBOBCATS24]

I don't understand all the Birdman hype all of a sudden either. He was a pretty good energy guy who could block shots. He has lost a lot of the athleticism that he had. I am a big Boris Diaw hater, but I would much rather have him than Birdman at this point in each of their careers. And yes, if I had to see Birdman start at center on opening night in Charlotte I would barf all over the people sitting in section 114 seat row A seat 17. It would most likely ruin their corporate suit.

[ALuhrs704]

I don't understand all the Birdman hype all of a sudden either. He was a pretty good energy guy who could block shots. He has lost a lot of the athleticism that he had. I am a big Boris Diaw hater, but I would much rather have him than Birdman at this point in each of their careers. And yes, if I had to see Birdman start at center on opening night in Charlotte I would barf all over the people sitting in section 114 seat row A seat 17. It would most likely ruin their corporate suit.

i wont throw up if thats the case. mainly because i dont have any throw up left after watching tyson chandler play.

[dav7z]

Denver wants no part of Deng's contract, I can guarantee you that much.

And when did Birdman turn into a center? Dude's a high energy guy and is fun to watch but I might throw up if I have to see him start for more than 5 games at center for us.

Birdman is not a true center . Hes a p/f -center, Birdmans contract would just be a filler. But nice for debth in two positions.

Billups is what we should be after. Smith is a expiring , Birdman is much cheaper in rotation than Diaw,

Depending on who we play could dictate who starts at center. I could see us going a lot of different ways.
Billups, Smith, Wallace, Jax, T Time
Billups ,Jax, Wallace,T Time, Birdman
Billups, Jax , Wallace, T Time , Nazz or even Brown or Diop

Adding those players causes match up problems. Melo is fine and all that but we win more keeping Crash adding Billups ,Smith . Birdman
Sheading cash and picking up expirings is key for next season. This move saves us 13 milion in expirings next season.
All so Billups is not garnteed but 3.75 milion next season . Kinda like another dust chip if we chose to use it.

I can't understand why some of you guys see only Birdman. And don't the upside to moves. Or downside to moves,
Be side starting Birdman as opposed to Chandler ?? I guess you throwed up quite a few times last season all so?

[Chef]

this makes sense:

Melo-Noah swap talk premature
September, 10, 2010
SEP 10
3:10
AM ET

By Marc Stein
Archive
Four quickie reactions to all the Carmelo-to-Chicago chatter that generated so much curiosity Wednesday:

1. Before you expend too much brain power trying to figure out whether the Bulls would really part with Joakim Noah in a trade for Carmelo Anthony, be advised that the Bulls are actually working on something else Noah-related: Getting him locked in for the long term with a contract extension.

The sides have been negotiating quietly for weeks and sources close to the process say that sufficient progress has been made -- although no deal is imminent -- to all but guarantee that terms on a five-year extension will be reached before the Halloween deadline.

Noah is determined to stay in Chicago, one source assures, while the Bulls continue to send clear signals that they have no interest in parting with their center. Not even for someone of Anthony’s pedigree, as one source told ESPNChicago.com's Nick Friedell.

2. I did a spot check with a few of the sources used for last Thursday’s piece in this cyberspace about how the Nuggets are telling every team that calls about Melo’s availability that they’re not ready to discuss that subject yet.

One week later, Denver’s mindset hasn’t changed.

Sources tied to potential Anthony suitors are still telling ESPN.com that the Nuggets remain in the fact-finding phase and haven’t given a clear indication about how soon they’ll be willing to actually field offers.

No matter how much Melo might want out.

I certainly don’t doubt that Anthony’s desire to leave remains profound -- as ESPN The Magazine’s Ric Bucher laid out Aug. 16 when he quoted a source saying that it was “a matter of when, not if, Anthony and the Nuggets will go their separate ways” -- but most rival teams continue to cling to the belief that an actual deal is more likely to happen closer to the February trading than the leaguewide start of training camps in less than three weeks.

3. The newsiest development on the Denver side is the fact that new Nuggets general manager Masai Ujiri and Anthony still haven’t met face-to-face.

The Nuggets made it clear at Ujiri’s introductory press conference more than a week ago that they wanted him to sit down with the face of the franchise to assess whether any hope for a reconciliation remains or whether they have no choice but to start taking those trade calls, with Anthony eligible to become a free agent at season’s end.

Nuggets officials continue to believe that the sitdown will take place soon. Yet it’s worth noting that they likewise believed entering free agency July 1 that Anthony was close to signing the three-year, $65 million contract extension that Denver formally extended back in June before the draft.

The calls from other teams aren’t going to stop coming in no matter what, but the vigor with which the vultures circle only grows with each new hint of extension resistance from Melo.

4. Even if the Nuggets can eventually be sold on the idea of taking back a trade package headlined by Noah and Luol Deng -- which is debatable in itself unless the draft picks included were so irresistible or the Bulls landed a suddenly durable Nene as well – Chicago simply can’t afford to add Noah to a potential Melo offer.

Not after the long-term investments that the Bulls made this offseason on Carlos Boozer and Tom Thibodeau.

Boozer needs a long, defensive-minded center as a sidekick to truly flourish. Thibodeau needs a Kevin Garnett-style anchor on D in his first head-coaching gig like he had in Boston with KG as the Celtics’ defensive coordinator.

And Noah not only fills both of those roles but would be incredibly hard to replace. Especially if the would-be primary Noah replacement is a scoring machine who plays small forward.

When it comes to fit alongside the new power forward and the new coach, Melo isn’t at Noah’s level.

[DY_nasty]

Birdman is not a true center . Hes a p/f -center, Birdmans contract would just be a filler. But nice for debth in two positions.

Billups is what we should be after. Smith is a expiring , Birdman is much cheaper in rotation than Diaw,

Depending on who we play could dictate who starts at center. I could see us going a lot of different ways.
Billups, Smith, Wallace, Jax, T Time
Billups ,Jax, Wallace,T Time, Birdman
Billups, Jax , Wallace, T Time , Nazz or even Brown or Diop

Adding those players causes match up problems. Melo is fine and all that but we win more keeping Crash adding Billups ,Smith . Birdman
Sheading cash and picking up expirings is key for next season. This move saves us 13 milion in expirings next season.
All so Billups is not garnteed but 3.75 milion next season . Kinda like another dust chip if we chose to use it.

I can't understand why some of you guys see only Birdman. And don't the upside to moves. Or downside to moves,
Be side starting Birdman as opposed to Chandler ?? I guess you throwed up quite a few times last season all so?
No its not that we're only seeing birdman, its just that guy has never started 5 games over a single season and his stats at center (emergency situations) are bad. I understand it financially, but I'm just not all that wild about him.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

i agree with this with this exception. what if melo guarantees cp3? does that change your view.Yes it does but the problem is that I don't really see it guaranteeing that happens. It does significantly up our chances but if we can't be assured of such I would rather keep Crash.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

Carmelo took one of the bottom feeders of the NBA and turned into one the best teams in the West almost overnight.

Gerald is fun to watch.Carmelo fits what Denver needs. Larry Brown would not like Carmelo's one dimensional game. We all know how Larry Brown feels about his players playing solid if not great defense. Carmelo is a great player but I don't think he fits in with the Bobcats the way that Gerald has. His style of play in my opinion would not fit well in Charlotte. Crash does so much more than score. I am not saying Melo is a total slouch on Defense but his dedication to that aspect of his game is limited. If we loose Crash what players do you feel will step up to replace what Crash gave our team? It will take players, as in more than one to offset what we will lose if Crash leaves. As far as scoring, Carmelo would be a nice addition but I hope other players on our team can pick up where Crash left off. Melo by himself can not replace ALL that Crash has given our team.

On a side note I will say that George Karl happens to want to keep Carmelo and that is saying something. I just hate to see Crash leave. Everyone agrees that Raymond Felton was a true Bobcat. I agree. If anyone else can be called a true Bobcat through and through it would have to be Crash. I would hate to lose him.

As far as Carmelo taking a bottom feeder and making it a competitor, I would say that there are many factors to the rise of the Nuggets. Carmelo is not in the same league overall as Wade, James, Bryant and the such. At least in my opinion. He is a great player but if we can't be assured of other players stepping in to fill Crashes role on the team I am not sure Carmelo makes a huge impact on our team.

It is a shame Carmelo can not play for the Knicks if he does leave the Nuggets because he would be a great fit in NY.

[Chef]

Carmelo fits what Denver needs. Larry Brown would not like Carmelo's one dimensional game. We all know how Larry Brown feels about his players playing solid if not great defense. Carmelo is a great player but I don't think he fits in with the Bobcats the way that Gerald has. His style of play in my opinion would not fit well in Charlotte. Crash does so much more than score. I am not saying Melo is a total slouch on Defense but his dedication to that aspect of his game is limited. If we loose Crash what players do you feel will step up to replace what Crash gave our team? It will take players, as in more than one to offset what we will lose if Crash leaves. As far as scoring, Carmelo would be a nice addition but I hope other players on our team can pick up where Crash left off. Melo by himself can not replace ALL that Crash has given our team.
.

i agree, but if larry loves him so much how come it seems we try to trade him twice a year?

[GOBOBCATS24]

I am surprised that no one has brought up this point. Carmelo is one of the baddest players in the NBA with this so called "one dimensional game". Here lies the point. He has all of the athletic tools to become a very good defensive player. He has all of that room to grow right now because of his "bad" defense. Imagine if we brought him here to Charlotte under one of the greatest Defensive Minded head coaches ever and one of the greatest basketball teachers ever. Also playing in front of MJ every night. I think bringing him to Charlotte would help Melo leap to that super elite level of players. Would it be a gamble? Hell yeah. Would it work short term? Depends on how you look at it. Tickets sales would be awesome. National recognition would rise. Merchandise sales would rise.

If we traded Gerald, DUST, and a pick for Carmelo we would essentially be trading Gerald for Carmelo. I call that pretty good trade for both sides. I would hate to lose Gerald he is an absolute class act and one hell of a hard worker, but this is a business and Carmelo is the best business move and not too bad of a basketball move either. If we could milk a PG out of this deal somehow it would be great. I have said enough

Oh and all this depends on him signing an extension. No extension= no deal. duh

[ND22]

I am surprised that no one has brought up this point. Carmelo is one of the baddest players in the NBA with this so called "one dimensional game". Here lies the point. He has all of the athletic tools to become a very good defensive player. He has all of that room to grow right now because of his "bad" defense. Imagine if we brought him here to Charlotte under one of the greatest Defensive Minded head coaches ever and one of the greatest basketball teachers ever. Also playing in front of MJ every night. I think bringing him to Charlotte would help Melo leap to that super elite level of players. Would it be a gamble? Hell yeah. Would it work short term? Depends on how you look at it. Tickets sales would be awesome. National recognition would rise. Merchandise sales would rise.

If we traded Gerald, DUST, and a pick for Carmelo we would essentially be trading Gerald for Carmelo. I call that pretty good trade for both sides. I would hate to lose Gerald he is an absolute class act and one hell of a hard worker, but this is a business and Carmelo is the best business move and not too bad of a basketball move either. If we could milk a PG out of this deal somehow it would be great. I have said enough

Oh and all this depends on him signing an extension. No extension= no deal. duh

Very good point here. I'm torn on this, I LOVE Gerald, he's one of my favorite players, but you're right when you say Melo has all the tools to become a great defender.

[spectre]

i agree, but if larry loves him so much how come it seems we try to trade him twice a year?

Probably because he's the only player we have that teams really want.

[dnbman]

Spectre: proudly stating the obvious since 2007.

[Muttley]

Probably because he's the only player we have that teams really want.
Also, I feel like a good portion of those rumors come from other teams/media speculating about what they'd expect the 'Cats to trade for so-and-so, or from team's offers for Crash. Even if the team's been hearing out offers (which is their job to do for every player on the roster), he has not been traded. I think that says something.

Sadly, Crash to the Pacers for TJ Ford doesn't fit into the category of "just rumors". If that trade had been pulled-off, then you bet it would say something about someone really not liking Crash or his game.

[spectre]

Spectre: proudly stating the obvious since 2007.

Heh!

All of our players have/have had flaws of some sort. Crash's only flaw has been risk of injury...which he helped allay somewhat this past season. He plays on both sides of the ball AND he's paid a very fair amount.

With our FO you can't blame teams for being after him.

[SWedd523]

You better believe that if I was Rod/MJ/LB, I'd be dangling Crash all over the place. Anytime you get a good player that other teams want, you listen to the proposals. Put him on the block for the rest of his time in Charlotte, if he nets us something that makes us better then so be it

[dnbman]

Heh!

All of our players have/have had flaws of some sort. Crash's only flaw has been risk of injury...which he helped allay somewhat this past season. He plays on both sides of the ball AND he's paid a very fair amount.

With our FO you can't blame teams for being after him.

Unquestionably. Most chances of us trying to acquire a marquee player will begin with Wallace. I think we have to be comfortable with the fact that acquiring a true blue chip player may mean losing Wallace, as much as we love the guy.

[ballwhore]

Gerald Wallace and Carmelo in the same sentence is a joke. Man you guys are such homers it's a damn shame Melo is top 5 talent in the whole NBA......Name 5 better players.....Getting rid of Gerald Wallace lisp for Melo's shoe strings is a win....Damp contract can go Monday let's see

[Black]

Gerald Wallace and Carmelo in the same sentence is a joke. Man you guys are such homers it's a damn shame Melo is top 5 talent in the whole NBA......Name 5 better players.....Getting rid of Gerald Wallace lisp for Melo's shoe strings is a win....Damp contract can go Monday let's see

Agreed. I love Gerald as much as anyone, but Melo is arguably the best scorer in the league, and we completely lack offense. I doubt we pull it off, but to keep the team as is, and remain a fringe playoff team instead of attempting to crack the top four is silly.

[SWedd523]

Gerald Wallace and Carmelo in the same sentence is a joke. Man you guys are such homers it's a damn shame Melo is top 5 talent in the whole NBA......Name 5 better players.....Getting rid of Gerald Wallace lisp for Melo's shoe strings is a win....Damp contract can go Monday let's see

Okay.


1) LeBron
2) Wade
3) Kobe
4) CP3/Deron
5) Dwight

and trust me, there are more.



Agreed. I love Gerald as much as anyone, but Melo is arguably the best scorer in the league, and we completely lack offense. I doubt we pull it off, but to keep the team as is, and remain a fringe playoff team instead of attempting to crack the top four is silly.

http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/kevin-durant-smiling.jpg

[teej]

Okay.


1) LeBron
2) Wade
3) Kobe
4) CP3/Deron
5) Dwight

and trust me, there are more.




http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/kevin-durant-smiling.jpg

+1

Ballwhore, do you know where I can get some douche goggles to read your posts through?

[LiquidWayno]

Gerald Wallace and Carmelo in the same sentence is a joke. Man you guys are such homers it's a damn shame Melo is top 5 talent in the whole NBA......Name 5 better players.....Getting rid of Gerald Wallace lisp for Melo's shoe strings is a win....Damp contract can go Monday let's see

You are crazed...I appreciate the laughs though.

[DY_nasty]

Dwight can't be top 5 because he can't even dominate the Bobcats front court. He's not even the best big in the East.

[teej]

Dwight can't be top 5 because he can't even dominate the Bobcats front court. He's not even the best big in the East.

Note that Swedd had CP3 and D-Will tied for 4th. Making D12 6th.

I would take all of the following over Melo, in no particular order:

Wade
LeBron
Durant
Kobe
D-Will
CP3
Rose
Rondo
Gasol
D12
Brandon Roy

That's 10. Now, some are debateable, but that should show that Melo isn't a top 5 player. At all.

[SWedd523]

Dwight can't be top 5 because he can't even dominate the Bobcats front court. He's not even the best big in the East.

Offensively, no. But he is far and away the most dominant defensive player in the league. Bogut and Crash are the only two guys even remotely close to him, and that's just barely.

[ammofan]

Note that Swedd had CP3 and D-Will tied for 4th. Making D12 6th.

I would take all of the following over Melo, in no particular order:

Wade
LeBron
Durant
Kobe
D-Will
CP3
Rose
Rondo
Gasol
D12
Brandon Roy

That's 10. Now, some are debateable, but that should show that Melo isn't a top 5 player. At all.


Roy, Rose, D-Will and Rondo are NOT better than Melo

[K1NGofAKR0N]

Top 5

1. Kobe
2. Durant
3. LeBron
4. Wade
5. Rondo

[DY_nasty]

Top 5

1. Kobe
2. Durant
3. LeBron
4. Wade
5. Rondo
Rondo isn't even the best player on his own team.

[Black]

Rondo is a top 5 point guard, not overall player.

[teej]

Roy, Rose, D-Will and Rondo are NOT better than Melo

Yes they are.

Defense is still half the game, and Rondo is one of the top defenders in the league. He's also a supreme leader, something Melo is not.

Roy is above average in almost every facet of the game. He's not a superstar, but he's wayyyy more well-rounded than Melo.

D-Will is a top 5 player in the league. He's the reason the Jazz win. Period.

Rose might not be there quite yet, but by the end of this year he could surpass CP3 and D-Will and be the best point guard in the NBA.

[teej]

Rondo isn't even the best player on his own team.

Who's better?

[ballwhore]

Really Rose over Melo? Really Rondo? Are you f#ckng serious right now. So I guess Melo is #6 just to disagree with me. Have any of you seen Melo play. If he played for Charotte you guys would be calling him Jesus. Can't be held in the paint, back any 3 down plus A-U-T-O matic jumper. Yeah but Gerald Wallace is better than him:facepalm:

[LiquidWayno]

Melo has been surrounded by talent for years and has underachieved. His defense is piss-poor at best. Can't hate his international play, but that's not the matter at hand. Don't even know if he is a top 5 SF.

[ziggy]

1a) Kobe
1b) Lebron
3) Durant
4) Wade
5) CP3
6a) Melo
6b) Dwight Howard

gentlemen, this is the definitive list. With that being said, I repeat that if we had to give up Gerald to get Melo then its something that we must do.

If we had to give up any player off of our roster to get any player on the above list then that is something that we have to do.

[GOBOBCATS24]

I am gonna say this again. Carmelo is an amazing talent. You can not downplay that. He has ALL of the tools to become a great defender. I believe that if he is pushed to the limit by LB (one of the greatest defensive minded head coaches and a great teacher) that he would become a better defender. Would he be a better defender than Gerald Wallace? Probably not but his offense comes so easy to him and if he put in the effort on the defensive end the offense would come even easier.

[SWedd523]

Ziggy, You forgot Deron at #5

[Scottley Crue]

1a) Kobe
1b) Lebron
3) Durant
4) Wade
5) CP3
6a) Melo
6b) Dwight Howard

gentlemen, this is the definitive list. With that being said, I repeat that if we had to give up Gerald to get Melo then its something that we must do.

If we had to give up any player off of our roster to get any player on the above list then that is something that we have to do.
I'm with you on this. Carmelo is an elite player that's nationally recogized as such. A game-changer. I don't think Charlotte has seen that level of talent since the days of Larry Johnson and Alonzo Mourning. (Perhaps Baron Davis early in his career) I love Gerald and everything he has done for the Bobcats, but if it takes him to get Carmelo, I think you have to do it. I imagine that if you asked basketball people without a dog in the fight, they'd tell you the Bobcats would do well to switch Carmelo for Crash.

[ammofan]

Melo isnt only an upgrade skill wise but he is also a merchandise seller. We would sell out probably every game if we had Melo.

[ohara831]

1a) Kobe
1b) Lebron
3) Durant
4) Wade
5) CP3
6a) Melo
6b) Dwight Howard

gentlemen, this is the definitive list. With that being said, I repeat that if we had to give up Gerald to get Melo then its something that we must do.

If we had to give up any player off of our roster to get any player on the above list then that is something that we have to do.



Amen brother! Well said. But I would question Wade being over Melo, if only for the fact that he has had some fairly serious injuries the last couple years and I dont know about his durability.

[LiquidWayno]

Let's not forget we are talking about a Melo Rental while giving up our franchise player and the face of the team. Seems to me like it's a done deal that he would bolt for NY or a serious contender after this season. I'm fine with going for Melo in a trade, but sending Wallace to do so is insane. I know Denver probably wants Wallace, but I can't go for that.

[Toocool]

Let's not forget we are talking about a Melo Rental while giving up our franchise player and the face of the team. Seems to me like it's a done deal that he would bolt for NY or a serious contender after this season. I'm fine with going for Melo in a trade, but sending Wallace to do so is insane. I know Denver probably wants Wallace, but I can't go for that.

Unless we can lure him back with CP3..but that could be just a fool's hope.

[ohara831]

Let's not forget we are talking about a Melo Rental while giving up our franchise player and the face of the team. Seems to me like it's a done deal that he would bolt for NY or a serious contender after this season. I'm fine with going for Melo in a trade, but sending Wallace to do so is insane. I know Denver probably wants Wallace, but I can't go for that.

Understand what you are saying. I would not do any deal of Crash for Melo unless an extension was already a done deal. That makes all the difference in the world. I cannot fathom the Bobcat's FO making the trade if they thought it was only for a 1 yr rental. Then again, this is the Bobcat's FO, so anything is possible.

[Chef]

Melo isnt only an upgrade skill wise but he is also a merchandise seller. We would sell out probably every game if we had Melo.

this is wrong. not the skill or merchandise seller but the sellout thing. there are 3 current players who sell out games and 1 more this year:

kobe
lbj
wade

durant

no other player sells out away games and few sell out home games on their own. look at NO (a similar market) don't sell out with one of the top 2 pg's in the league.

[x2pacalypse]

ranaldo balkman > melo > rondo

[kickazzz2000]

ranaldo balkman > melo > rondo

Dominic McGuire > your list

[LiquidWayno]

I should have gone to see OKC before that ticket got expensive.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

MElo is overhyped and in my opinion is not any better or only neligibly better than Crash.

I would love to have Crash on my other favorite team because he would make the people of Denver and the state of Colorado forget all about MElo. If Carmelo was half as good as his hype the Nuggets would have at least made it to the Finals with him as a member.

The People of Charlotte will be all in love with MElo in the beginning but that love affair will die quickly when MElo does not add any more wins than last season.

MElo fits to a certain extent with the Nuggets but there is no way he fits Larry Brown and the Bobcats. He is selfish and does not like to take defense seriously. If he played defense he would make the Nuggets that much better and they would be a serious threat each year to overtaking the Lakers stranglehold on the West.

The Nuggets may very well be better off with Crash. I actually think they would. I don't however think MElo improves the Bobcats beyond what Crash was able to add to the team. If anything, if other players don't pick up their play to make up for the loss of Crash the Bobcats would likely take a few steps backwards.

If Crash leaves who takes up the rebonding and steals that Crash gives the team? Who guards the best players on the other team? It sure as hell won't be MElo. Unless Larry Brown can work some magic and get MElo to be Melo and take every aspect of his game serious. The one thing people love about Crash is that he is CRASH. The man lays it all on the line every game and Melo does not.

Would MElo be happy in Charlotte? He wants to be in a large market so as to feed his ego with endorseemts and the such. He wants to be more high profile than he currently is. If a bigger market than Charlotte does not make MElo happy he sure as hell is not going to be happy in Charlotte.

All I can say to all of you is be careful what you wish for. You might get it and regret it.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

Unquestionably. Most chances of us trying to acquire a marquee player will begin with Wallace. I think we have to be comfortable with the fact that acquiring a true blue chip player may mean losing Wallace, as much as we love the guy.As long as that true blue chip player is not Carmelo Anthony.

[DY_nasty]

So much melo hate lol

[SWedd523]

For what it's worth, I'd rather have Crash at 10mil than Melo at the max.

[ALuhrs704]

carmelo is a superstar. his d is good when he wants to play. when they played LA in the playoffs 2 yrs ago he played great defense on kobe down the stretch and it would only improve under larry. our FO wouldnt do the trade w/o an extension so i wouldnt worry about him being a rental. its a superstar drivin league and i have to believe more players would want to come here if melo was on our team. no offense to crash cuz he is my favorite player and id be just as happy keeping him then getting a carmelo but realistically carmelo is the better player overall. his offense is a whole nother level over geralds and gerald is an all star. thats worth getting.

[Chef]

the only way i would want melo over crash is if it assured us of cp3. if not, i would take crash for the money and the heart.

[ohara831]

A lot of this Melo hate is really overblown. He is a lot better than many are saying. And Crash, while our best player and the heart of this team, is a very good player, please let's not over value him. It is so easy to be a homer and over value your own players. We all have done it. I dont want to see him gone, but if the right deal comes along, ANY player we have would have to be considered tradeable. I guarantee you that even if we traded Crash straight up for Durant, there would be some here who still would find a way to bi_ch and moan about it.

[Chef]

if we traded Crash straight up for Durant.

i would rank this third behind having my daughter and getting married as the best days of my life.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

A lot of this Melo hate is really overblown. He is a lot better than many are saying. And Crash, while our best player and the heart of this team, is a very good player, please let's not over value him. It is so easy to be a homer and over value your own players. We all have done it. I dont want to see him gone, but if the right deal comes along, ANY player we have would have to be considered tradeable. I guarantee you that even if we traded Crash straight up for Durant, there would be some here who still would find a way to bi_ch and moan about it.ohara, I am not so much a hater of Carmelo as I am a lover of Crash. As I have said in other parts of this forum, I am a Nuggets fan right after I am a Bobcats fan. I just don't see Carmelo being the "SUPERSTAR" he is thought to be by so many. Sure Carmelo can score but do you all realize how many shots he takes to average his 28 ppg?

Carmelo can play defense when he wants to but if he does not take that part of his game serious under a great head coach like George Karl, what would make you all think Larry Brown could work some magic with him and his defense or "lack thereof?"

As far as Durant being a part of a trade that would require parting ways with Crash, there is no way in H E double hockey sticks that I would complain about that. In my mind there is no comparison between Carmelo Anthony and Kevin Durant. One is a Star and the other is a franchise player and true Superstar. Those that could not see a situation where trading Crash is a good thing are blinded by player loyalty. I on the other hand love the Nuggets as well as the Bobcats and I just don't see how Carmelo is a big increase in talent over Crash. Hell, on a Larry Brown coached team he may be a decrease.

In all reality in my mind there is only two places outside of Denver that have been mentioned where Carmelo is a really good fit. LA with the Clippers and NY with the Knicks.

In LA the team is set to give Carmelo the spotlight he he seeks and he can truly prove he belongs in the same sentence as Kobe Bryant. In NY he is also going to be in the spotlight more and the endorsements would be huge. Also Carmelo is from the Eastern part of the nation and played college basketball in NY. Mike D'Antoni is known for being an offensive minded coach so to me that makes Carmelo Anthony a perfect fit for NY. He should be in either the East Coast or West Coast. LA or NYC are perfect for a person like Carmelo Anthony.

There are all kinds of players that fit what the Bobcats are about but what the Bobcats don't need are players who's ego's are bigger than the team.

Say Carmelo comes to Charlotte, how long before he is unsatisfied with his situation on a team in a small market who can not compete for a championship?

Obviously if Carmelo and Crash trade teams I will support both teams and both players but I will have my doubts about Carmelo as Bobcat. Hopefully he pleasantly surprises me.

[ALuhrs704]

well now we dont have to worry about ever getting carmelo!

[BobCatsFanInTx]

well now we dont have to worry about ever getting Carmelo!Thank goodness. There are all kinds of players better suited for the Bobcats than Carmelo.

[BRNC]

I know Melo is a fine player but I'll stick with Crash...every franchise has to develop character and he has really given his all to this team...if you look up the definition of hard working blue-collar it has a picture of Crash...