Javaris Crittenton

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Interested?

http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22748484/24714779

[SWedd523]

I'd rather have the other troubled Washington Bullet, er... Wizard

[mrtarheel]

I remeber him at Georgia Tech and he wasn't half bad. He left early I think and got buried on the Lakers bench. I think all this pg talk we have a deal in the making of Dj leaving and us getting some kind of insurance behind Livingston. Collins is a smoke screen for camp as I think he and McGuire will get the first train smoking if a deal comes along and we need roster spots, McGuire the first.

[SirBobcat]

We have our 3 PGs for the season on the roster: Augustin, Livingston, and Collins

[spectre]

Rumor had it Jordan was wanting him during the draft, so it wouldn't shock me if he got a shot.

I have seen almost nothing of the kid. He's got the height that LB likes, but I don't know what else. Seems mostly to be pretty subpar up to this point.

Y'all think of Collins so much? We are talking 3rd PG here.

[teej]

Y'all think of Collins so much? We are talking 3rd PG here.

Exactly. At least bring in some competition.

Though I gotta say, adding him to an already dangerously wild locker room could be trouble. Jack and TT don't need any more looney buddies.

[BRNC]

Not sure that Jarvis would really be a problem Teej...and I'd like to see some competition at the PG position...if he agrees to a non-guarantee I'd bring him in for camp...

[spectre]

I don't remember the story very well and I didn't follow it too closely...but could a legit opinion be that he was afraid of Arenas? Surely there were better ways of handling it, but Arenas brought guns too like he threatened.

Has he had any other troubles?

I also wonder just how wild Jax still is. Age tells on most everyone eventually. I used to be canned Hell in my earlier years, but now I'm just a big pussy cat.

[BRNC]

spectre...the first trouble he has been in as a pro...and I don't recall him getting into anything at Ga T....

[Plowright]

id be interested yeh, on the cheap would be good i think

[teej]

Not sure that Jarvis would really be a problem Teej...and I'd like to see some competition at the PG position...if he agrees to a non-guarantee I'd bring him in for camp...

Not saying he would be, but if that's why the FO doesn't want to bring him in it'd be more than justified. But if not, then by all means see what he wants and expects, and if that matches their plans, sign him.

[EC123]

Interested?

http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22748484/24714779


We have our 3 PGs for the season on the roster: Augustin, Livingston, and Collins

Yes, I'm interested, because I'm not clueless.

Secondly, he's Larry Brown's type of PG. A bigger body and could learn to be an effective defender.

[LiquidWayno]

I think he made good grades and was not an off-the-court problem at GT, clean record minus last year's debacle that I know of. Invite him to camp, see what he can do.

[Toocool]

I don't want him ruining team chemistry. We all know Cpt. Jack is loaded, I don't want another standoff and getting Jack suspended for the rest of the season.

[TattoodCats4life]

I saw min contract, non-gar... with a team option next year at whatever max raise we could give him from a min contract... that way if he does do good, we have him cheap for another season, but if he sucks we can dump him at the end of this one.

[BRNC]

He'd simply be another "hungry" option...I like what you're thinking Tat...

[ammofan]

Hell no we dont need him. Livingston is our "big" pg and we have two other pretty solid ones. If we can get an upgrade over one of our current 3 then yeah but lets not waste our time with someone who we dont need.

[BRNC]

I'm not sure how we decide if he is a better option if we're unwilling to look at him in camp...?

[truDUKEfan]

If anything we could send collins to the D-Lea. for a while and see what we have in him if its a close call at camp. b/c two 6'5+ p.g. on a roster is nice b/c he is fast and athletic and can jump out the gym. and with livingston being an injury risk having collins in the stable getting practice from a good coach in the d-league just in case of an injury.

[mrtarheel]

I think it would be a win win situation, sign him on the cheap if he is decent and see what options we have to upgrade at the C position

[spectre]

and yesterday’s new development, Javaris Crittenton accepting an invite to Bobcats’ camp.

From Dime Mag. Looks like he's going to be in camp at least.

[spectre]

Javaris Crittenton attempting NBA comeback with Charlotte - Washington Insider (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/wizardsinsider/2010/09/javaris-crittenton-returning-t.html)

Interesting about the injury.

[BRNC]

Bruise and tendons...not much to worry about but it does explain some things...I'm glad we're working him out...IMO we need competition at PG...like to see more at C...

[dav7z]

He was very good in college, From all the film i have been watching and reading i could find . Hes a defencive stoper , got a very good handle, Finishes at the rim well. Not good at the FT line . Has a very inconstant jumper. Can't shoot the three. Athletic freak . His assist numbers isn't that good.

He looks like a L Brown type for sure long lean , athletic, defencive stoper.

My feeling he is another option in training camp to get a look .

[spectre]

I agree BRNC, but the "worry" about PG and not so much at C is very typical of Larry Brown. Not saying he doesn't want an upgrade and I know there are specific things he wants out of that position that we don't have (mainly set a damn pick)...but you can look at his previous Cs and they weren't that highly skilled, and esp. on offense.

Competition is always a good thing.

Crittenton in Bobcats training camp (http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2010/09/crittenton-in-bobcats-training-camp.html)

Bonnell weighs in.

[BRNC]

I see no reason not to look at guys like Jarvis...we need to "try" and find a solution for the PG position not just short-term but longer...I'm in no way saying one of the guys already on the roster can't be that solution...but at this point in time (IMO) none have shown they are the solution...and since they haven't guys like Jarvis need a look...he was young when he left GT and this should be make or break career time for him so I'm all for it...

I'm still very much in favor of making a trade for someone like Hinrich that would be a great fit with the players we have but just don't see us having the assets to get that kind of trade pulled off without hurting the team...my point (I guess) is that it makes it that much more critical to find a "diamond-in-the-rough" player...regardless if it is an invite or one of the three already on the roster...

[BlockParty]

In bonnell's blog about Javaris, he also mentions that Larry Hughes and Antoine Walker might be in Wilmington. ughhhh. Javaris is fine, I just don't see the point with the other two guys.

[millst2]

Well for all of the AI haters, this guy is a thug! All the talk about locker room cohesion and we go and bring him into camp. 2 thumbs up!

I see huge locker room issues with this chump. 5pts a game over 118 games is ass. A lot different than a non gun toting AI and his abilities to score and bring in revenue vs a gun toting asshat!

Wow

[dvdbumpus]

spectre...the first trouble he has been in as a pro...and I don't recall him getting into anything at Ga T....

Thing is, he pissed Gilbert Arenas off and Agent Zero went crazy. He was a 5 star prospect in college and left after his freshman year. He was traded for Pau Gasol but never was really given a shot. He's big and capable....just needs some seasoning under LB. I'm all about it for cheap!

[dvdbumpus]

Well for all of the AI haters, this guy is a thug! All the talk about locker room cohesion and we go and bring him into camp. 2 thumbs up!

I see huge locker room issues with this chump. 5pts a game over 118 games is ass. A lot different than a non gun toting AI and his abilities to score and bring in revenue vs a gun toting asshat!

Wow

Thing is...he never carried a gun....it was all Arenas...just Javaris pissed him off and crazy hibachi went crazy hibachi.

[G-Force]

Thing is...he never carried a gun....it was all Arenas...just Javaris pissed him off and crazy hibachi went crazy hibachi.

No, he was carrying a gun too. He was bugging Arenas about gambling money and Arenas went crazy and pulled a gun on him... He happen to be packing heat too and pulled one back.

Both in the wrong to me. Hope he doesn't bring drama to the locker room.

[DY_nasty]

No... thats not at all what happened. No guns were pointed at anyone.

[Dr. Blotter]

Who cares? As long as he plays decent and doesn't mess around like that again, why do we all worry about who did what with what weapon and why?

[TheBeagle]

Vaguely remember him from the Rambling Wreck, and wasn't terribly impressed, and never bought into the hype. Didn't get a legit shot in LA, but got one in Memphis and didn't do much there either, if memory serves. All that said, it seems like a really good move by the Cats to invite him to camp because dude has his career on the line, and nothing is a better motivator than that. Like the other castaway invitees, nothing bad can come from this.

As for the other thing, I think he's learned his lesson and, if he makes the team, won't be anything but a model citizen and good teamate.

[LiquidWayno]

Good move. Really worried about our bench's ability to score though. Maybe he helps with that if we sign him.

[dvdbumpus]

No, he was carrying a gun too. He was bugging Arenas about gambling money and Arenas went crazy and pulled a gun on him... He happen to be packing heat too and pulled one back.

Both in the wrong to me. Hope he doesn't bring drama to the locker room.

Ok, i remember this now. If I'm not mistaken Gilbert brought in guns jokingly with a note that said "pick one" and Crittenton got mad about it and actually pulled a gun being serious. So he's a knucklehead. But hopefully he's Jax part two and uses this chance to improve upon himself.

I like Crittenton for his scoring abilities on high percentage shots and his height advantages allowing him to post up. Hopefully he can make the team, because he's a lot more talented then Collins IMO.

[EC123]

Who cares? As long as he plays decent and doesn't mess around like that again, why do we all worry about who did what with what weapon and why?Because most people are fools who can't get over someone doing something that "they wouldn't do."

This is why the recidivism rate is so high. Because simpletons want to keep punishing people even after they've done their time or served their suspension.

To those people I say...DROP DEAD. Get over your self-righteous selves.

[SWedd523]

EC are you okay man? You've seemed a little bitter recently. Calm down a bit please

[Toocool]

Because most people are fools who can't get over someone doing something that "they wouldn't do."

This is why the recidivism rate is so high. Because simpletons want to keep punishing people even after they've done their time or served their suspension.

To those people I say...DROP DEAD. Get over your self-righteous selves.

Chill mate. Asking for people to drop dead ain't gonna help no body either...unless it's Australia's Prime Minister...:facepalm:

[Fred Williamson]

Crittenton? What do we need him for? This kid can't score, can't shoot, can't pass, and can't defend a chair, even though he's 6'5 and an athletic freak.

[DY_nasty]

Crittenton? What do we need him for? This kid can't score, can't shoot, can't pass, and can't defend a chair, even though he's 6'5 and an athletic freak. Pretty much. He couldn't succeed in LA where Kobe pretty much removes all pressure from other guards. He couldn't succeed in Memphis where he had more than a fair a shot at the starting job. He couldn't do it in DC... I doubt he'll turn it around now even though he's got all the tools in the world to be a great player.

Still, as a training camp invite its not bad.

[spectre]

Did you miss this part?


Crittenton, whom the Los Angeles Lakers drafted with the 19th overall pick in 2007, had exploratory surgery last October that uncovered a double bone bruise and two strained tendons in his left ankle. He injured his foot playing pickup basketball in his hometown of Atlanta two summers ago, which led to a frustrating season in Washington that began with the team refusing to pick up his fourth-year option and making him a free agent.


He had hoped to participate in summer league with the Lakers last July but later backed out because his ankle still hadn't fully healed.Non guaranteed. Are there better FA PGs out there we should be bringing in over him? I wouldn't have minded Watson, but he would have wanted a contract.

[BlockParty]

Did you miss this part?

Non guaranteed. Are there better FA PGs out there we should be bringing in over him? I wouldn't have minded Watson, but he would have wanted a contract.


exploratory surgery last October that uncovered a double bone bruise and two strained tendons in his left ankle.

So...still healthier than Tyson Chandler. I doubt he makes it through training camp, but if it deflects some of LB's rage at DJ, and DJ enjoys some success before LB explodes on him, the project of Crittenton was worth it.

[EC123]

So...still healthier than Tyson Chandler. I doubt he makes it through training camp, but if it deflects some of LB's rage at DJ, and DJ enjoys some success before LB explodes on him, the project of Crittenton was worth it.Not only will he make it through training camp, but he'll probably beat up DJ Augustin (figuratively) throughout camp. I would prefer that Crittenton gets signed, and Augustin is packaged along with some other player on this team for a servicable big.

My depth chart at PG based on "potential" would be:

Crittenton
Livingston
Collins

Crittenton could be a more talented Aaron McKie in a Larry Brown system. He is a bigger point guard, which Brown tends to prefer. He's also tougher than either Augustin or Livingston, and if he listens to Brown, he'd probably end up being an exceptional defender.

Augustin needs to be dealt in a package for a Center.

Five:
Crittenton
Jackson
Wallace
Thomas
Whoever you can get in the Augustin trade.

[Chef]

alright EC, i am starting to sense that you are not a fan of dj. some say i have a sixth sense with these things.

[BlockParty]

Not only will he make it through training camp, but he'll probably beat up DJ Augustin (figuratively) throughout camp. I would prefer that Crittenton gets signed, and Augustin is packaged along with some other player on this team for a servicable big.

My depth chart at PG based on "potential" would be:

Crittenton
Livingston
Collins

Crittenton could be a more talented Aaron McKie in a Larry Brown system. He is a bigger point guard, which Brown tends to prefer. He's also tougher than either Augustin or Livingston, and if he listens to Brown, he'd probably end up being an exceptional defender.

Augustin needs to be dealt in a package for a Center.

Five:
Crittenton
Jackson
Wallace
Thomas
Whoever you can get in the Augustin trade.

So DJ is so bad that a gun peddaling reject from the wizards and grizzlies beats him (and Livingston) out of the #1 or #2 PG role BUT....some other team is dumb enough to take those tainted goods (DJ) in return for a Center that is more valuable then what Nazr offers? And I realize you said a 'package', but DJ would be the premier name involved unless Diaw goes too...and only NY is interested in the skillset that Boris offers (because of their coach)...and outside of A'mare their Centers don't make sense in a trade involving DJ.

We don't get rid of DJ unless we get another PG in return. More likely, we move Boris for a mediocre Center or PG if LB isn't happy with the 'committee' approach in both positions with the talent we have on the roster at the moment.

[EC123]

So DJ is so bad that a gun peddaling reject from the wizards and grizzlies beats him (and Livingston) out of the #1 or #2 PG role BUT....some other team is dumb enough to take those tainted goods (DJ) in return for a Center that is more valuable then what Nazr offers?Yes. There are plenty of teams out there that need an experienced LIFELONG BACK UP point guard. The Bobcats' starter should at least be someone with starting PG potential. If you were Augustin, would you want to stay here if you're not going to start? Probably not, so you might as well move him, even if he's going to be a back up somewhere else. Moving on.


alright EC, i am starting to sense that you are not a fan of dj. some say i have a sixth sense with these things.At the Center, I forgot about Kwame Brown.

I'm not a "fan" of anybody's.

What I do is make objective judgments about "potential", especially since Larry Brown is the coach. I think his history shows that he can get the most out of players with less natural ability than guys like Crittenton, Thomas, and K Brown, so I am interested to see if he can do anything with these guys. If they still don't get it after working with Brown, then they never will. That can't even be said of Phil Jackson, who is more of a manager than a "teacher"-coach; just playing with Kobe isn't going to turn anybody's game around.

DJ Augustin does not, in my opinion, have any natural talent or intangibles that will ever separate him from others at the PG position. At best, he's a spot up shooter, nothing more. No speed, no size, limited athleticism, not any good at penetrating the lane, nothing.

It's not about about "liking or disliking" a player, it's about assessing the usability of their skills. When you see them play it will be clear that the Bobcats are a better team with Crittenton on the floor than are with Augustin out there. I can tell you that right now, without even seeing it. I have seen "THEM" play, and I can mentally put the pieces together. Can you all do anything other than focus on WHO YOU PERSONALLY LIKE? Obviously not.

Crittenton
Jackson
Wallace
Thomas
K Brown

Larry Brown must be in heaven with these "projects" on this team, because all of those guys still have areas they can improve even more in, including Jackson (consistency) and Wallace (shooting).

I am excited to see what Brown can do with these guys. Nothing about Augustin fits the scheme.

[Toocool]

Yes. There are plenty of teams out there that need an experienced LIFELONG BACK UP point guard. The Bobcats' starter should at least be someone with starting PG potential. If you were Augustin, would you want to stay here if you're not going to start? Probably not, so you might as well move him, even if he's going to be a back up somewhere else. Moving on.

At the Center, I forgot about Kwame Brown.

I'm not a "fan" of anybody's.

What I do is make objective judgments about "potential", especially since Larry Brown is the coach. I think his history shows that he can get the most out of players with less natural ability than guys like Crittenton, Thomas, and K Brown, so I am interested to see if he can do anything with these guys. If they still don't get it after working with Brown, then they never will. That can't even be said of Phil Jackson, who is more of a manager than a "teacher"-coach; just playing with Kobe isn't going to turn anybody's game around.

DJ Augustin does not, in my opinion, have any natural talent or intangibles that will ever separate him from others at the PG position. At best, he's a spot up shooter, nothing more. No speed, no size, limited athleticism, not any good at penetrating the lane, nothing.

It's not about about "liking or disliking" a player, it's about assessing the usability of their skills. When you see them play it will be clear that the Bobcats are a better team with Crittenton on the floor than are with Augustin out there. I can tell you that right now, without even seeing it.

Crittenton
Jackson
Wallace
Thomas
K Brown

Larry Brown must be in heaven with these "projects" on this team, because all of those guys still have areas they can improve even more in, including Jackson (consistency) and Wallace (shooting).

I am excited to see what Brown can do with these guys. Nothing about Augustin fits the scheme.

I disagree. If Augustin didn't have starter potential, he wouldn't have been picked so high in the NBA Draft. If DJ didn't have starter potential, most likely he wouldn't even be here.

DJ Augustin does have talent. He won't probably ever become an all-star PG, but he can be more than servicable. If you look at his rookie season, if in his sophmore season he had carried what he had done, you would probably be saying other things. Just because he had 1 bad season doesn't make him a failed case like you're making it out to be.

I completely disagree with your analysis, that Crittenton will be better with our core 5 on the court than Augustin out there. I would say give DJ a chance before you kick the bucket and completely disregard him as a bench warmer. You haven't even seen them play together. Crittenton could have the chemistry of frickin Larry Hughes who didn't even pass on a 3 v 1 fast break with Crash and Cpt. Jack next to him.

Stop hating mate.

[EC123]

I disagree. If Augustin didn't have starter potential, he wouldn't have been picked so high in the NBA Draft. If DJ didn't have starter potential, most likely he wouldn't even be here.Did you really just say that?

I don't need to "hate" or "like" Augustin, or any other individual player.

Augustin is a spot up shooter (so is Matt Carroll), not a decent penetrator or distributor, and he is a liability on defense, where he is severely limited in size, speed, and athleticism.

Disagree as you will. It doesn't change any of that.

[Toocool]

Did you really just say that?

I don't need to "hate" or "like" Augustin, or any other individual player.

Augustin is a spot up shooter (so is Matt Carroll), not a decent penetrator or distributor, and he is a liability on defense, where he is severely limited in size, speed, and athleticism.

Disagree as you will. It doesn't change any of that.

Damn right I did.

Augustin is more than a spot up shooter. Most of the rest of your post is pure opinionated crap.

Let's take a look shall we?

Draft Express:

Since arriving in Charlotte, Augustin has displayed good court vision and the ability to consistently put his teammates in positions to score, especially in transition. During his days at Texas, he proved more than capable of making plays at full speed –a quality that has transitioned smoothly to the NBA level due in large part to his basketball IQ.

-BBIQ, check.
-Able to make plays at full speed, check.
-Able to allow teammates to score consistently in transition, check.


“Augustin also possesses a very effective perimeter shot, with a good number of his looks coming off the dribble. Last season, he was the only point guard in the country to shoot above 40% from the three point line and have a 2 to 1 assist to turnover ratio, an impressive feat for a freshman on a team filled with underclassman. His shooting percentage looks more impressive when you factor in the degree of difficulty on some of the shots he attempted. Augustin lacks the ideal elevation you’d like to see from a small guard, though he is helped by a quick release and a very consistent stroke.”

-Able to shoot the 3, check.
-Good A:T ratio? Check
-Elite spot up shooter, check
-Able to convert free throws, check.



In terms of quickness, Augustin is not considered an elite prospect; however, he moves very swiftly on offense by changing speeds constantly and keeping the ball in his strong hand when facing pressure. Also, opposing guards are forced to crowd Augustin because of his outside shooting ability, which in turn opens up drive-and-kick opportunities for Charlotte’s shooters. Defensively, Augustin does a solid job of staying between his man and the bucket, but improved strength and quickness would increase his overall effectiveness on both ends of the floor.

-Able to draw attention due to his scoring ability, check
-Able to run at crazy subtle angles and shift directions, check



By continuing to improve his understanding of the game and dedicating more time to weight training and plyometrics, Augustin may become a solid NBA starter for years to come.

-Potential to become a starter??? Check.




At the midpoint of his rookie season, Augustin has answered the critics by developing into a steady defensive player in the Bobcats rotation. Much like he did at Texas, he uses quick feet and a great understanding for the game to keep his man out of the lane. And although his steals numbers are down from college (NBA – 0.8 steals-per-40, down from 1.4 per-40), Augustin has developed into an average on-ball defender in the NBA. While this might not seem like a compliment, he is doing a little better than scouts were predicting before draft night.

-Average on-ball defender and improving, check.

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alright EC, i am starting to sense that you are not a fan of dj. some say i have a sixth sense with these things.

You sir have a very keen insight.

[G-Force]

Crittenton has been released. Looks like we're gonna keep Collins?

http://www.nba.com/bobcats/release_crittenton_101015.html

How is Miles still on the team? Did his play against the magics really impress Laarry Brown?

[pegsue123]

I guess they want to keep Collins so we have a Rookie Blog! LOL
He really hasn't impressed me at all so far.

[G-Force]

Ahhh... Now it all makes sense. Lol.

But really, between the two pg I would rather have Collins. He did really good in SL play. During training, hamstring injury has been bothering him so my guess is that it's still affecting him in preseason.

[BlockParty]

Maybe the Karaoke performance was more important than Javaris realized

[Toocool]

There's always Rogers to keep if Collins gets cut.

[BigMike]

There's always Rogers to keep if Collins gets cut.

I am rooting for this kid but i just dont see how we can keep him with our current list of contracts... maybe cut Kwame?

[Twan's Kin]

To what extent can Stephen Jackson play the point?

[polarcat]

clearly Crittenton was cut to make room for Arenas :o

[Plowright]

Jackson turned it voer way to many times last year playing SG and SF, no way is he playing point. I dont mind him doing some of the ball handling tho

[ammofan]

clearly Crittenton was cut to make room for Arenas :o

I actually wish that was true......Diop + Diaw for Gil? lol

[SirBobcat]

Yes, I'm interested, because I'm not clueless.

Secondly, he's Larry Brown's type of PG. A bigger body and could learn to be an effective defender.

Suck it. I'M SO CLUELESS ABOUT THE BOBCATS AND THEIR FINANCES! HA!

[TheGayKid]

Bump for??

[SirBobcat]

Bump for??
First time I've been here since his post. Felt I'd score the victory for what I already said would happen.

[TheGayKid]

Ah, Well Done