Devin Harris

[K1NGofAKR0N]

Devin Harris may be on his way to Charlotte in a 4 team deal with New Jersey.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5610989

[rsxnova]

Doris for Harris? Hells to the yea.

[polarcat]

holy shit if all we have to give up is fatboy for devin harris. pleeeease let this happen and not include any other players on our end going out not named diop.

[CatNation]

that would be awesome. considering this has actual sources and not some guy from a blog I can actually get somewhat excited by the thought.

[ND22]

Whoa. Yes please.

[spectre]

Sources told ESPN.com that the deal, which has yet to be finalized, also would send former All-Star point guard Devin Harris (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2382) to Charlotte, with Bobcats forward Boris Diaw (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2167) moving to Utah.

The four teams, said one source close to the talks, are "seriously engaged" after extensive talks Thursday.
OMG...this would be one helluva deal!

I felt sure it'd be Crash going out...but Boris?

Don't anyone wake me...I want to live here for a little bit.

[ohara831]

Please let this become reality! The Basketball Gods owe us!

[WarioVsMooChicken]

A borderline allstar PG for a backup PF

OH GOD PLZPLZPLZPLZ

[jdsingar]

YESSSS please happen. I hope we aren't including any of those first round picks that Denver is getting. This would be such a huge steal.

I am not sure about Carmelo signing in New Jersey though..tough to see that.

[ohara831]

This would give us an oversupply of Guards. Etiher a couple get cut or there could be another trade in the works.

[Scottley Crue]

This is contingent on Carmelo signing in NJ, which brings up the obvious question....

Who here can forge Carmelo's signature if needed?

[CatNation]

This would give us an oversupply of Guards. Etiher a couple get cut or there could be another trade in the works.

lets not get ahead of ourselves. I just want this to happen.

[polarcat]

I don't understand why Carmelo wouldn't sign in Jersey. In two years, they will be in Brooklyn for a NYC team which is 1 borough and only about 20 minutes on the A,C,E line from Penn Station where the Knicks play. The Knicks are in just as much disarray as the Nets with their roster, if not more. CP3 could still come to Jersey after this season and team up with him in a new state-of-the-art arena, and the new owner has ridiculous amounts of cash to throw around. Personally, I don't see the problem but that's just me. Come on Carmelo..... get Devin Harris in a Cats uniform stat!

[Mustachio]

Diaw for Harris would be excellent. But wont be enough. It will likely be Diaw, DJ for Devin. still not a lot to give up i guess.



(http://twitter.com/johnhollinger)johnhollinger (http://twitter.com/johnhollinger)
(http://twitter.com/johnhollinger)
Basics of 4-way Melo deal noted by @ (http://twitter.com/johnhollinger)STEIN_LINE_HQ (http://twitter.com/STEIN_LINE_HQ) make sense. Gotta think Augustin to NJ happens too, and that Den dumps more $$ (JR? Bird?)
(http://twitter.com/johnhollinger)

[CatNation]

scary part is that Diaw for AK doesn't work from the Jazz side $ wise. Infact its not even close. A large contract would be needed to fill that. Hopefully its not Jackson or anything from us. Jackson and Diaw for Harris would really piss me off

[G-Force]

Diaw for Harris would be excellent. But wont be enough. It will likely be Diaw, DJ for Devin. still not a lot to give up i guess.

(http://twitter.com/johnhollinger)

Yeah, I see this more likely. Still, I'm all for that!!! I'll throw in Diop for free too.

Please Baby Buddha(I'm buddhist) make this happen!!!

[G-Force]

scary part is that Diaw for AK doesn't work from the Jazz side $ wise. Infact its not even close. A large contract would be needed to fill that. Hopefully its not Jackson or anything from us. Jackson and Diaw for Harris would really piss me off

Don't Jazz have a TPE for the Boozer sign and trade?

I'm clueless when it comes to the CBA stuff.

[polarcat]

Honestly, if it takes throwing in DJ for us to get Harris and end the DJ saga that has dragged on for what seems like an eternity, then I'm okay with it. Bringing in a guard of Harris' caliber would only agitate and worsen the DJ situation and we could get by with Livingston/Crittenton as backups. I wonder if we could get a back-up 4 in return a la Kris Humphries or someone to back-up T2....or does that even work $$ wise?

[CatNation]

Don't Jazz have a TPE for the Boozer sign and trade?

I'm clueless when it comes to the CBA stuff.

I wouldnt think you could use a TPE to balance out a trade in which you are sending out too much $

[Toocool]

Holy crap D. Harris. I'll give up anyone with Diaw except Cpt. Jack, TT and Crash.

If they do this, we'll chuck in our absolutely gun star player Dominic McGuire for free as goodwill.

[spectre]

Someone plug it in to the trade machine. With multiple teams not every acquisition has to be within the 125% rule.

BTW, TPEs can't be used when players are combined with them. You can however bust it down into smaller multiple trades and in that way use TPEs (like we did with Dallas in the Damp trade).

[CatNation]

we don't have any significant TPEs do we?

[spectre]

The only one I can remember is the one we had for Raja, which we used in the Dallas trade.

What is NJ's salary right now? If Denver included JR to them that would make it work (I think). We'd be salary neutral as would Denver. Utah would be dumping a lot of salary, but if NJ had the room they could absorb it.

[Absinthe]

Why aren't they pushing for Billups instead? Denver doesn't have a reason to keep him because they will not be able to compete with Favors and AK 47. They might as well just totally rebuild around Lawson and Favors.

Devin Harris is an injury prone point guard. I'd much rather have Billups.

[spectre]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2d2xy84

Guys on RGM Trade Board got one to work.

Here's another:


Here's a simpler one:
Diaw to UT
Harris, Hump to CHA
Melo, Augustin to NJ
AK, Favors, 2 1sts fr NJ to DEN

I think this is more of a possibility. Utah wouldn't be in this unless they're getting a significant salary break. They're over the cap by about 6 million and this would get them under....just at the cost of 1 more year of Boris.

[Absinthe]

Melo might not want to go to NJ. Their front court is very good, but their backcourt looks weak. I'd be extremely wary going to a team that is going to trot Farmar or Augustin out as their starting PG. The shooting guard position isn't much better over there.

[carsoncone]

yeah we would have a lot of point guards if this happens. we would need to trade some gaurds for some a legit center

thats all given the trade goes through but who knows if it will, i have heard the bobcats names in many trade rumors of deals that havent fallen threw. cross your fingers.....

[CatNation]

I'd have to create a new account on RealGM to troll all the whiny lolronto fans if we got Harris for Diaw

[ziggy]

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w301/bobcatsplanet/482_omg-yes-lil-wayne.gif

If it winds up being Harris straight up for McBoris, then drinks are on me guys!

[spectre]

Maybe Anderson could be included?

Asking for a lot aren't I?

[ziggy]

http://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php/2135-Kirelenko-in-Trade-talks!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jazz fans are not digging the potential acquisition of Diaw :biggrin:

[SCBobcat]

As for Devin Harris for Diaw, I like it. Humphries is actually a pretty nice player too, so I would be happy with that as well.
As for helping NJ get Melo, I have realized there comes a time you have to stop worrying about other teams and just focus on making your team as good as it can be. If Melo is going to force his way east, we may as well use that as an opportunity to improve. I would hate to see Melo get to NJ without our help if it means we stay stagnant and miss out on potential improvement that we would have gained by facilitating the trade. Even worse if another eastern team was the facilitator and they improved too.
Devin, Jax, Crash,and TT are all either All-Star/near All-Star/or potential All-Star talents.

[ohara831]

Maybe Anderson could be included?

Asking for a lot aren't I?

I would love to have Birdman here. But Chris Humphries would be a solid bench player for us if he was included.

[ammofan]

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


MJ is god if he pulls this off!!!!!!!!!!!!

[EC123]

This would give us an oversupply of Guards. Etiher a couple get cut or there could be another trade in the works.Exactly. DJ Augustin still won't be here next season.

By the way, i'm making love to this rumor right now.

Via twitter: Chris_Broussard
On Melo 4-way, I'm told talks are ongoing but deal not yet close
http://twitter.com/Chris_Broussard/status/25429338383

[ziggy]

All we need now is for ballwhore to pop up and verify this trade.

[SWedd523]

If this goes through I'm going to laugh at every single person on these boards talking trash about MJ and LB being idiots for not making some homerun deal and complaining about the FO being incompetent


IMJaLBIMFT

[SWedd523]

Exactly. DJ Augustin still won't be here next season.

By the way, i'm making love to this possibility right now.

Via twitter: Chris_Broussard
On Melo 4-way, I'm told talks are ongoing but deal not yet close
http://twitter.com/Chris_Broussard/status/25429338383


Glad to see you in a good more for once! ;)

If DJ isn't included, I'm on the ship his ass out for Jason Thompson boat!

[ziggy]

I don't want to jump the gun here, but is it too early for me to order my Devin Harris Charlotte Bobcats jersey? :g:

[truDUKEfan]

If this goes through I'm going to laugh at every single person on these boards talking trash about MJ and LB being idiots for not making some homerun deal and complaining about the FO being incompetent


IMJaLBIMFT



i'm with you on that one, pateince finally about to pay off.....

[Absinthe]

It was just reported that Jarvis Hayes would be included in the deal (to Charlotte) too.

[CatNation]

edit: damn I was beat lol


i'm with you on that one, pateince finally about to pay off.....

I know you guys are excited now..but don't have heart attacks when I tell you this.



we may also get Jarvis Hayes
http://twitter.com/Al_Iannazzone

[SWedd523]

JARVIS HAYES?!


YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HH


just kidding

[ammofan]

Jarvis Hayes!!!!! OMG!!!!

[spectre]

Someone quote the twitter stuff...it's blocked here.

Who is Hayes with now?

[ziggy]

Jarvis Hayes!!!!! OMG!!!!

You mean we may get THE Jarvis Hayes ?!?!?!?

[spectre]

WojYahooNBA Charlotte pulled back on Diaw-for-Calderon deal in July, but are committed to moving Diaw and DJ Augustin to get Devin Harris, sources say.
5 minutes ago via web

:funkybanana:

[murphman]

Jarvis Hayes is a free agent looking at playing overseas. Why is his name being mentioned in trade talks?

[ziggy]

Jarvis Hayes is a free agent looking at playing overseas. Why is his name being mentioned in trade talks?

I'm guessing that they're just throwing him in to make the dollars work.

[dvdbumpus]

I'm guessing that they're just throwing him in to make the dollars work.


I hope his awesome presence doesn't push Dominic Mcguire for playing time.

I'm taking a look, and most places are noting that we're doing a 1 for 1 trade on our end, sending Diaw to Utah and only having Harris incoming.

Sherron Collins, your short time on the roster seems to be coming to an end. Honestly I would prefer to keep DJ as he has 3 point range. If only we could package Carroll in another deal for a big of any sorts, as his contract for where he'd be on the depth chart is a bit much.

[ajbry]

It would simply be the 'rights' to Jarvis Hayes. Which would be perfect, given the Bobcats wouldn't have a need for him.

[SCBobcat]

It would simply be the 'rights' to Jarvis Hayes. Which would be perfect, given the Bobcats wouldn't have a need for him.

Plus if we had Jarvis and Javaris in training camp, lots of folks would be confused as to who is getting yelled at. We don't need that kind of issue ruining our mojo.

[Dr. Blotter]

Hopin this goes down. What the hell are we going to do about a Center?

[SWedd523]

Hopefully DJ stays on the roster and the only thing going out is Diaw and cheap filler (those unguaranteed deals we made)

Devin/DJ/Livingston
Jack/Hendo
Crash/UPS
Tyrus/Eddie
Nazr/Kwame/Diop


Turn around and send DJ or Hendo out for Jason Thompson or Speights or someone like that and we're in business. Giggity

[ziggy]

Plus if we had Jarvis and Javaris in training camp, lots of folks would be confused as to who is getting yelled at. We don't need that kind of issue ruining our mojo.


http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w301/bobcatsplanet/funngj.gif

[dvdbumpus]

Hopin this goes down. What the hell are we going to do about a Center?

Good question. I'm surprised we haven't brought in Josh Boone for a look. I guess LB isn't concerned? It sure seems he's not concerned considering all the focus on adding point guards with the supposed Harris trade, Livingston, Collins, Matt Carroll, Crittenton invited to camp, etc etc. But where is the big man love??

[murphman]

Per Wojo from yahoo:


Larry Brown has been hesitant to trade Boris Diaw; his objections helped kill a proposed trade of Diaw to Toronto for point guard Jose Calderon this summer. However, with Tyrus Thomas re-signed to a $40 million extension, Brown is more inclined to part with Diaw to bring back Harris, an upgrade over D.J. Augustin at point guard.

[dvdbumpus]

Per Wojo from yahoo:
Larry Brown has been hesitant to trade Boris Diaw; his objections helped kill a proposed trade of Diaw to Toronto for point guard Jose Calderon this summer. However, with Tyrus Thomas re-signed to a $40 million extension, Brown is more inclined to part with Diaw to bring back Harris, an upgrade over D.J. Augustin at point guard.

I'm excited to see what LB can do for Harris; he fits the mold of a LB point - Tall, quick, can play good defense. One thing i find odd is how little faith Avery Johnson has in Devin Harris. Case in point, in Dallas he hardly played, went to New Jersey and thrived. Then Avery goes into town and they plan to trade him again. Honestly, as long as Harris comes here i could care less!

[spectre]

WojYahooNBA Y! Sources: Final, significant hurdle in blockbuster to send 'Melo to Nets is selling him on extension with NJ: http://tinyurl.com/23wnb7j
6 minutes ago via web

C'mon Anthony...no way do you want to go into the new CBA as a FA. Go for the money!

[Chef]

i am getting skeptical this will actually come to fruition. when these talks become public and the deal isn't quick to go down, they usually end up falling apart. a team like utah looks at it in published form and goes wait, why do we want boris diaw for the next two years and backs out. but, if this happens, it is very very good for us.

don't kill me, but if we could move jax for something decent, i would do it. his contract is going to kill us the next year or two and we won't be able to move him.

[SWedd523]

Remember the Collison trade? This is going down pretty similar to that one. If nothing happens by tomorrow then it'll probably fall through. The only snag is Melo agreeing to the extension in NJ which I really have no idea why he wouldn't. In order to win, you need a superstar (Melo) and either a high level PG or Big (Lopez). Bring CP3 to town in a few years and that team is better than Miami. DJ/TWill/Melo/Murphy/Lopez is a fantastic starting point for a top 5 team. Again, bring CP3 in and draft a PF next year while their record won't be so high and bam

[BlockParty]

Hopin this goes down. What the hell are we going to do about a Center?

We didn't have a Center last year either and made the playoffs (and with TT and Harris we've upgraded 2 starting positions.

[truDUKEfan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xNYQOS_OEw&feature=related



Well hopefully we can see some of these type of highlights from him, but its not a done deal YET.....I think he would be a nice fit and would be a great hustle guy (IF HE STAYS HEALTHY) with our style of play and he can finish at the rim.

[BlockParty]

Per Wojo from yahoo:


Larry Brown has been hesitant to trade Boris Diaw; his objections helped kill a proposed trade of Diaw to Toronto for point guard Jose Calderon this summer. However, with Tyrus Thomas re-signed to a $40 million extension, Brown is more inclined to part with Diaw to bring back Harris, an upgrade over D.J. Augustin at point guard.


Nice find, too bad Wojo didn't realize the Bobcats pretty much committed to TT when they sent their first round pick to Chicago for him AND the fact that TT was already agreed to terms on resigning before the Toronto deal was pulled off the table. So Brown should be just as inclined...the difference here is Devin Harris>>>>> Jose Calderon

[BlockParty]

Well hopefully we can see some of these type of highlights from him, but its not a done deal YET.....I think he would be a nice fit and would be a great hustle guy (IF HE STAYS HEALTHY) with our style of play and he can finish at the rim.

Devin leading the break and dishing to GW and Jack on the wings and a trailing TT would be ShowTime-Charlotte Style

[Scottley Crue]

C'mon Anthony...no way do you want to go into the new CBA as a FA. Go for the money!

Yeah, there's no way he touches such a lucrative contract after the new CBA. Which begs the question...is he THAT hellbent on going to the Knicks? I mean, NJ is obviously very close to New York and will be in Brooklyn within a few years. He may really want to be a Knick, but someone's going to have to tell him that they don't have enough to make it happen now. If being a Knick is his goal, he should have just kept quiet and went through this year to become a free agent. Really...he'd eventually be in Brooklyn and have a contract he most likely couldn't sign after the CBA. I don't know, maybe he and his group may need this explained to them again.

[EC123]

I hope his awesome presence doesn't push Dominic Mcguire for playing time.

I'm taking a look, and most places are noting that we're doing a 1 for 1 trade on our end, sending Diaw to Utah and only having Harris incoming.

Sherron Collins, your short time on the roster seems to be coming to an end. Honestly I would prefer to keep DJ as he has 3 point range. If only we could package Carroll in another deal for a big of any sorts, as his contract for where he'd be on the depth chart is a bit much.
"They also send Devin Harris and Jarvis Hayes' rights to Charlotte and Quinton Ross to Utah and in return they get Anthony and DJ Augustin."
about 2 hours ago via TweetDeck
http://twitter.com/Al_Iannazzone

I was done with this season if Augustin and Diaw were still on this team when the season starts.

Come on Melo, don't let me down. You know CP3 is going to follow you to NJ, in the near future.

[Mustachio]

Devin leading the break and dishing to GW and Jack on the wings and a trailing TT would be ShowTime-Charlotte Style


by ShowTime-Charlotte Style, im assuming you mean, look great for 3 quarters and then lose on our dazzling way to 35 wins?


no but really as pessimistic as i've been about our Front office moves lately, I like this one. We dont over commit to anyone, stay under the cap and we settle the important PG situation. I like Diaw a lot more than most here, but honestly losing him and DJ seems fair for a scoring point guard. I still dont see this as a drastic move that makes us anything more than a first round sacrificial lamb for one of the East Beasts, but it makes us a better team without destroying the future. If we cant contend its the next best thing.

[ballwhore]

uh uh uh uh uh uh

[EC123]

Kwame Brown will end up being the starting Center...period.

[TheLegend]

I rather for us try and get a Center though....

[CatNation]

D.J will be going to N.J. if everything goes through. Just waiting on Melo im sure you guys already know this though

lol right

10char

[CatNation]

in reality Harris isn't much of an upgrade over Felton. He scores a few more points but is really inefficient....

[Mustachio]

(http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)WojYahooNBA (http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)
(http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)
With Devin Harris going to Charlotte in proposed deal, Nets want D.J. Augustin. Yet 'Cats still reluctant to part with PG, sources tell Y!
(http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)

?? hmmmm ??

[TheLegend]

I'm not really a big fan of Harris. I rather for us try and get a good center though.

[ohara831]

in reality Harris isn't much of an upgrade over Felton. He scores a few more points but is really inefficient....

Don't rain on my parade!

[EC123]

Contradictions...

Bobcats reluctant to let Augustin go? What the heck for!?
With Devin Harris going to Charlotte in proposed deal, Nets want D.J. Augustin. Yet 'Cats still reluctant to part with PG, sources tell Y!
http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/25438403458Mere speculation, or do the Bobcats have a back up plan if the Melo deal falls through? Who in the heck is Bell? Raja Bell is no longer on this team. Does he mean "Diaw"?
The Bobcats seem determined to land Devin Harris from the Nets, and are said to be willing to trade Boris Diaw and D.J. Augustin to get him.
Diaw's name has come up in a complex four-team deal that would send Harris to Charlotte, but this is the first time we've seen Augustin's name included. It's possible that Augustin and Bell could be dealt for Harris in a separate deal if the four-teamer breaks down. Obviously, Augustin's value takes a hit if he's not the starting PG for Charlotte.
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/39347742/ns/sports-player_news/No way the Nets are giving up Harris for Diaw and Augustin and no Melo.

[ohara831]

Come on Rod and MJ. Either crap or get off the pot!

[Mustachio]

Contradictions...

Bobcats reluctant to let Augustin go? What the heck for!?Bobcats have a back up plan if the Melo deal falls through?


Well i could understand the reluctance a little bit. Diaw offers more than you guys wanna admit sometimes, and you gotta ask yourself, does Devin Harris give you more than the much cheaper combo of DJ/Livingston gives you?

So it comes down to spend 9 million a year one one pretty good but unaccomplished point guard, or spend like 14 million on 2 Points and a multi position player who has a nice expiring contract.

I mean im under the impression that the team as is, cant be competitive without changes so I am all for trying something new. But im just saying i could see the reluctance.

[SWedd523]

I totally understand. I like what Boris provides, but I think Devin (all star when healthy) is enough of an improvement over Diaw--especially with Tyrus in the wings--to make this worthwhile. Boris isn't expiring btw, he has a PO for next year

[ammofan]

I we dont get Harris because of us being reluctant to make the deal then wow....I will be pissed lol

[EC123]

Well i could understand the reluctance a little bit. Diaw offers more than you guys wanna admit sometimes, and you gotta ask yourself, does Devin Harris give you more than the much cheaper combo of DJ/Livingston gives you?

Infinitely more.

BTW, I will be SHOCKED if Anthony agrees to the extension, when you think about what he's playing with. They'd struggle to just make the Playoffs next season.

[Dcarnys]

MAKE THIS HAPPEN!!!!!! Oh boy, oh boy. Even if DJ has to go I would be a verrry happy man.

[EC123]

"In terms of nearness to getting done, I'm told by sources Melo to NJ in 4-way is 6.5 on a scale of 1-10. NJ would like to get a PG in deal"
18 minutes ago via web
http://twitter.com/Chris_Broussard

[BETCATS]

As long as we keep the core of Wallace/Thomas/Jackson (in that order) and get Harris i dont really care who we trade.

Since the Nuggets are moving players, maybe Nazr's expiring + the plethora of non-guarnteed deals could get us Nene?

[ohara831]

"In terms of nearness to getting done, I'm told by sources Melo to NJ in 4-way is 6.5 on a scale of 1-10. NJ would like to get a PG in deal"
18 minutes ago via web
http://twitter.com/Chris_Broussard

Do you think it is the gambler in MJ, trying to hold out for more back for giving them DJ? I can see it, but that is a big gamble to take. If it works, the move will be hailed as genius. If we get left out, I'll be so pissed off.

[spectre]

From the RoF thread:


BTW, according to my people (on Wed) this deal is a big’n but the Cats are still trying to squeeze a bit more out of it – not so much to get another player, but to either unload additional unwanted baggage or snap a draft pick. Utah badly wants out of luxury and several people in the talks think the Bobcats have a bit of power to work with here. Without Charlotte the deal collapses and both Utah AND the Nets are hungry to cross the finish line. It’s the kind of situation where Jordan just loves to apply a bit of squeeze.

FWIW.

I know some stuff went on over in July with some postings over there, but we've all learned from that...right?

That might explain being reluctant to part with DJ at any rate.

[TheBeagle]

If this goes through I'm going to laugh at every single person on these boards talking trash about MJ and LB being idiots for not making some homerun deal and complaining about the FO being incompetent


IMJaLBIMFT Brother, I could kiss you! MJ and Co. have busted their asses this off-season and while the CP gambit didn't work out and the Devin Harris acquisition may not pan out, they are out there motherfucking trying.

Never been a big Harris fan, actually think he's been overrated, but if he comes here, he's instantly the best PG in our franchise history and would be the upgrade over Raymond I was looking/hoping for when we let him walk. If we have to let DJ go but also bring in a banger who doesn't back down in Humphries, that's just icing on what would be the best trade in Cats history......excepting the McInnis for B-Rob trade of course which was also with NJ!

I'm slightly worried Melo might not want to sign the extention with NJ because if they let Harris and Favors go I personally don't think they're that much better, but maybe ego will take over.

Yeesh, this can't go down quick enough...

[spectre]

http://ken-berger.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/11838893/24791989


Though the scenario above is "nowhere near" completion, one of the participants said, Anthony now has something to think about. While he's intrigued by the prospect of playing for billionaire owner Mikhail Prokhorov and the Nets' move to Brooklyn in two years, New Jersey "hasn't been the leader in the clubhouse, by any means" in terms of teams Anthony has been pushing to acquire him, a source said. The Nets have prompted the deepest discussions so far because, from Denver's perspective, they have the most attractive assets to offer -- and the means to involve other teams that can add whatever Denver is seeking that New Jersey lacks (in this case, Kirilenko).

And Anthony, who wouldn't get close to the same money after the season under a new collective bargaining agreement, is being advised that while the Nets aren't the Knicks (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/teams/page/NY), they're close enough to warrant giving serious consideration to a deal that would give him a major market and top-dollar on an extension.

Another factor making this negotiation as difficult as the aforementioned executive described is whether Charlotte -- a team in cost-cutting mode -- will be willing to take on Harris and the $26.8 million he is owed over the next three seasons. Harris' contract runs one year longer than Diaw's, so the Bobcats would have to get some other form of cap relief to make this work, sources said.

We're wanting some cap relief. This seems to be following along with ourday's post as well.

[ohara831]

From the RoF thread:



FWIW.

I know some stuff went on over in July with some postings over there, but we've all learned from that...right?

That might explain being reluctant to part with DJ at any rate.

This is exactly what I was thinking in the post I made right before yours. I think MJ knows everyone wants this done, and he's holding out for a little bit more for the adding in of DJ. I just dont want it to backfire on us. This can be a very big move for Charltotte in trying to keep up in the ever strengthening East.

[ammofan]

I really do respect MJ and co. trying to squeeze more out of this but we have the opurtunity to dump Diaw and his deal for a All Star calliber starting point guard. I say do the deal.

If we can get something else out of the deal, then go for it, but if all it will do is make other teams mad, dont bother. Take Harris, put Boris on the next flight to Utah and run.

[spectre]

Did you see ourday's other post? He said MJ was showing the poker face but "allegedly so excited he makes David Arnott’s comments sound like Michael Procton talking about the Okafor trade".

I'm liking the odds.

[ohara831]

Man, can we dump Diop on someone, too? That would be awesome!

[ammofan]

Did you see ourday's other post? He said MJ was showing the poker face but "allegedly so excited he makes David Arnott’s comments sound like Michael Procton talking about the Okafor trade".

I'm liking the odds.

Wait I dont catch what your saying? You mean he is excited because he(Ourday) knows what MJ is trying to cook up or what?

[K1NGofAKR0N]

Just tell new jersey if they take diop and najera off our hands we will do it

[ohara831]

Well, it is family movie night with my two little ones. Maybe when I get back in 2 hours, this deal is done and there is joy in Bobcat-land! Yes!

[EC123]

Do you think it is the gambler in MJ, trying to hold out for more back for giving them DJ? I can see it, but that is a big gamble to take. If it works, the move will be hailed as genius. If we get left out, I'll be so pissed off.I haven't seen anything that suggests that the Bobcats are holding the deal up over Augustin.

They'll be a part of the deal unless the teams change or Anthony decides that NJ will suck too much for him to go there.

[spectre]

Man, can we dump Diop on someone, too? That would be awesome!

Gana for Birdman!!!

I'd gladly settle for dumping Carroll. That'd be stellar by itself.

[spectre]

Wait I dont catch what your saying? You mean he is excited because he(Ourday) knows what MJ is trying to cook up or what?

I'm reading it that MJ is trying to hold out for more because it appears (backed by Berger) that we have some leverage. He's so excited by the prospect of getting Harris however that it's hard for him to keep it up.

[bbh2020]

Guys,

Remember, MJ is not holding up this deal.

He has no say so in the matter until Melo signs the extension and says he'll go to New Jersey.

Once Melo agrees, the chips will fall.

If Melo doesn't agree, this doesn't happen.

[TheBeagle]

http://ken-berger.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/11838893/24791989



We're wanting some cap relief. This seems to be following along with ourday's post as well. Bear in mind I have little-to-no interest or knowledge of the business/money/capology side of the game, but didn't we save a good chunk of money by cutting Ericka, and secondly, wouldn't that extra year on Harris's contract only effect our team salary in that third season, not this season or the next? I can understand the including DJ for nothing extra reluctance, but not sure why salary would be an issue going into this season.

[ammofan]

I'm reading it that MJ is trying to hold out for more because it appears (backed by Berger) that we have some leverage. He's so excited by the prospect of getting Harris however that it's hard for him to keep it up.

Ohh okay I see what your saying now.

But still I like what MJ is doing but if Melo signs and the teams are ready to make the deal, just do it

[BlockParty]

Guys,

Remember, MJ is not holding up this deal.

He has no say so in the matter until Melo signs the extension and says he'll go to New Jersey.

Once Melo agrees, the chips will fall.

If Melo doesn't agree, this doesn't happen.

But Melo's ego doesn't say yes or no until a deal is in place (which does require MJ's approval).

[Dcarnys]

Its basically all in Mello's hands now. If he agrees im sure Rod and MJ will bite.

[Scottley Crue]

Its basically all in Mello's hands now. If he agrees im sure Rod and MJ will bite.

Yep, the things I'm seeing seem to have the deal in place and everyone just waiting to see if Carmelo will go for it. I did hear Marc Stein on Sportscenter say that Carmelo's camp would like the Bulls or Knicks to get involved since this info is out there, but any Chicago deal has to include Noah for Denver to bite (which the Bulls aren't doing) and the Knicks flat-out have nothing to offer anyone. So, if Carmelo wants to be in or near New York as well as get his $65 million, this is going to be his best bet. Let's hope that Russian billionaire is also a fantastic salesman.

[spectre]

Bear in mind I have little-to-no interest or knowledge of the business/money/capology side of the game, but didn't we save a good chunk of money by cutting Ericka, and secondly, wouldn't that extra year on Harris's contract only effect our team salary in that third season, not this season or the next? I can understand the including DJ for nothing extra reluctance, but not sure why salary would be an issue going into this season.

Yup. I think we're around 5 million below the LT. We would be on the hook for around 44 million with 7 players in his last year though...so it does have some legitimacy.

I'm still buying the posturing line. MJ is going to try and stay cost consious but we all know he wants to win. Devin when healthy is a deadly PG and he plays defense. You know he and LB wants him and probably badly...esp. since we're not giving up any core players.

If what Berger says is true the deal falls flat without us and Utah & NJ are ITCHING to do this trade.

[ammofan]

Stein:

Another source: Melo warming to idea of Nets, whose planned move to Brooklyn in two years under Russian billionaire Prokhorov is strong lure

But source says Melo hoping Knicks or Bulls, his top choices, lodge last-ditch trade bids this weekend. Melo really wants to play w/Amare

Problem for Knicks and Bulls, however, hasn't changed. Knicks don't have first-round picks to sweeten deal and Bulls will NOT part w/Jo Noah


I think that if the Knicks/Bulls dont come up with something this weekend then Melo will sign in NJ

[spectre]

STEIN_LINE_HQ One source close to the talks in Melo-to-New Jersey proposed four-way deal: "It either happens by Monday or the deal falls apart."
less than 5 seconds ago via TweetDeck

Gonna be a long weekend!

[LiquidWayno]

A few thoughts - If we send DJ, is there anyway we could nab a couple of picks in this deal? Even a 2nd rounder or two would please me. If we don't send DJ, I would be all over sending him to Sactown for Jason Thompson like someone else suggested (if they'd be interested...which I'd think they would considering how DJ would compliment Tyreke the Freak and how they have way too many bigs).

Harris/Jack/Crash/TT would make us better on both ends of the floor...and much more exciting to watch. We might even become a running team! I wouldn't be as opposed to keeping Collins if DJ was out, I don't want two sub-six footers though...if we end up picking up Crittenton we'd have a monster sized team where Harris would be our shortest player at 6'3 (If I'm not mistaken).

You can probably tell that this possibility excites me. There are times where I truly like Diaw, but this trade makes sense for so many reasons. A true NBA starting point in Harris would make him much more expendable. Boris has played his best ball alongside his close friend Raja, so I don't think Utah is getting the short end of the stick like many imply. He replaces some skills they lose in AK-47's movement. Diaw's passing skills could come in handy alongside Raja/Deron/Millsap/Big Al & Okur...and don't forget Gordon Hayward. Just playing on Hayward, that kid looks too much like Macaulay Culkin to be decent in the NBA.

[spectre]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5610989


But the Nuggets have signed off on the proposed deal and now await word from New Jersey about its ability to sell Anthony on the extension, which does hold significant appeal because it would enable Anthony to sign one more contract under the league's current collective bargaining agreement.

With NJ & Utah hot to go it looks like it's all up to Anthony AND what we can finagle out of the deal.

[K1NGofAKR0N]

UPDATE:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5610989

[ziggy]

UPDATE:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5610989

Not a problem. I'm still one thousand percent behind this deal.

One worry that I had is that one of the other teams would try to weasel Henderson or Brown out of the 'Cats. Thankfully that doesn't seem to be anywhere in the plans.

[Proudiddy]

Don't know if anyone's already posted this, I didn't feel like going through the 12 pages... But, I'm refreshing several pages on my browser and wiping up the jizz filling my undergarments every 5 minutes:


The Bobcats seem determined to land Devin Harris from the Nets, and are said to be willing to trade Boris Diaw and D.J. Augustin to get him.

Diaw's name has come up in a complex four-team deal that would send Harris to Charlotte, but this is the first time we've seen Augustin's name included. It's possible that Augustin and Bell could be dealt for Harris in a separate deal if the four-teamer breaks down. Obviously, Augustin's value takes a hit if he's not the starting PG for Charlotte.

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/39347742/ns/sports-player_news/

So, supposedly, we could still get Harris in a separate deal. I just don't know what to think. I kind of went into a depression mode there after we waived Dampier believing we were going into the season with what we had, which I wasn't happy with after all the buld up to a big move this off-season. This would really give me something to get excited about this season and I hope we do whatever it takes to make it happen, it would be the best move MJ has ever made.

[Proudiddy]

Possibly another good sign if I'm reading this correctly:


WojYahooNBA

CAA agent William Wesley - aka Worldwide Wes -- has been the top pitchman working 'Melo on accepting deal to Nets, sources tell Y!

[Wolfpackbobcat]

make this happen mj.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

I do not trust that this will happen. I have no faith in that we can get a deal that truly works in our favor. The other teams will be unreasonable and another team will step in our place in a four team trade scenario.

Either that or Carmelo will be a prick and refuse to sign a long term deal with the Nets. In the end I just think we will be ***ked!! I have faith in MJ and Higgins but I don't think other teams will treat us fairly.

[SWedd523]

This works:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=35wsvuw



This is more realistic:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2beq84w

or this:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=26nhx5c




and this would make me cream my britches:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=25ebzrk


this would too:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2b42ksu

[Brad]

AP Writer Mike Cranston just tweeted: Hearing the deal is happening. We'll see

[bbh2020]

from real gm


According to the New York Daily News, a "reliable source" reports that Carmelo Anthony has approved a trade to the Nets.
Presumably this means that Anthony would agree to a long-term contract extension upon a trade to New Jersey.
A trade could be agreed upon as early as Saturday.


Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/69257/20100924/source_melo_approves_trade_to_nets/#ixzz10Ujpsxxp

[EC123]

Don't know if anyone's already posted this, I didn't feel like going through the 12 pages... But, I'm refreshing several pages on my browser and wiping up the jizz filling my undergarments every 5 minutes:



http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/39347742/ns/sports-player_news/

So, supposedly, we could still get Harris in a separate deal. I just don't know what to think. I kind of went into a depression mode there after we waived Dampier believing we were going into the season with what we had, which I wasn't happy with after all the buld up to a big move this off-season. This would really give me something to get excited about this season and I hope we do whatever it takes to make it happen, it would be the best move MJ has ever made.

Already discussed and considered.

I doubt New Jersey would even consider trading Devin Harris if Anthony isn't coming to NJ. They aren't going to part with Harris to downgrade to Diaw and Augustin.

[K1NGofAKR0N]

AP Writer Mike Cranston just tweeted: Hearing the deal is happening. We'll see

Can I get a link for that?

[EC123]

from real gm


According to the New York Daily News, a "reliable source" reports that Carmelo Anthony has approved a trade to the Nets.
Presumably this means that Anthony would agree to a long-term contract extension upon a trade to New Jersey.
A trade could be agreed upon as early as Saturday.


Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/69257/20100924/source_melo_approves_trade_to_nets/#ixzz10UjpsxxpI am inclined to believe this. Stein wrote earlier tonight:


Another source: Melo warming to idea of Nets, whose planned move to Brooklyn in two years under Russian billionaire Prokhorov is strong lure
about 2 hours ago via TweetDeck

RT @sportsguy33: Why would Melo agree? That's 40-45 win team at best. (1. EXTENSION w/CURRENT CBA. 2. RUSSIAN CUBAN. 3. BROOKLYN. 4. LOPEZ)
about 1 hour ago via ÜberTwitter

Looks to be heading in that direction.

[Proudiddy]

from real gm


According to the New York Daily News, a "reliable source" reports that Carmelo Anthony has approved a trade to the Nets.
Presumably this means that Anthony would agree to a long-term contract extension upon a trade to New Jersey.
A trade could be agreed upon as early as Saturday.


Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/69257/20100924/source_melo_approves_trade_to_nets/#ixzz10Ujpsxxp

I have the biggest boner in the world right now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

Now let's just still hope that it's going down the way it was reported.

[Brad]

http://twitter.com/mikecranston1

Hootsuite seems to have the updates quicker than the regular twitter page.

[ammofan]

THANKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUU MIKE AND MELO!

Devin is coming to Charlotte! OMG!

[EC123]

make this happen mj.

I wish you people would STFU with the "make this happen ***MJ***" crap, as if Jordan is in control of this deal.

We are participating in it. Jordan is not the one trying to lure Anthony to NJ.

Yes, he could screw it up by demanding more than he needs to, but if he doesn't, there's nothing he can do to "MAKE" this happen, so drop that ridiculous cliché, folks. Jordan is probably in amazement over this opportunity.

[kickazzz2000]

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/2010/09/24/2010-09-24_source_nets_in_serious_talks_to_land_carmelo.ht ml?comments=1

[ohara831]

The Devil is in the details. Need to see the actual deal to know for sure, but this sounds very very good for Charlotte!

[SWedd523]

Actually, expanding on that last one. I think it actually has some legs to it. Check this one out: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=25qx2dh (Note: I know this is too big of a deal to ever happen, but I have to admit--it LOOKS good)

The snags are MJ not wanting to deal DJ without getting some other sort of compensation, and Melo possibly not wanting to sign an extension in New Jersey.


This deal has us getting TWill and Nene in addition to Devin. That's more than enough for MJ to pull the trigger. The deal also has DJ and Jack going to New Jersey--giving them a great PG for that lineup and a veteran leader in Jack. Denver gets out of a ton of long term salary and Utah gets under the cap, which seems to be huge for them. Win all around.


Charlotte
Devin/Livingston/Tank (or Javaris)
TWill/Hammer
Crash/UPS/McGuire
Tyrus/Humphries/Eddie
Nene/Brown/Diop


New Jersey
DJ/Farmar/Uzoh
Jack/Morrow/JR
Melo/Graham/James
Outlaw/Smith/Balkman
Lopez/Petro/Zoubek


Denver
Billups/Lawson/Carter
Afflalo/Hendo
AK47/Harrington
Murphy/Martin/Williams
Nazr/Birdman/Favors


Utah
Deron/Gaines/Price
Bell/Jeffers/Ross
Miles/Hayward/Evans
Millsap/Diaw
Jeff/Okur/Elson

[ammofan]

Woj:

Nets and Bobcats still haven't agreed on DJ Augustin coming to Jersey as part of deal, team sources say. Nets need that in deal.

[Wolfpackbobcat]

I wish you people would STFU with the "make this happen ***MJ***" crap, as if Jordan is in control of this deal.

We are participating in it. Jordan is not the one trying to lure Anthony to NJ.

Yes, he could screw it up by demanding more than he needs to, but if he doesn't, there's nothing he can do to "MAKE" this happen, so drop that ridiculous cliché, folks. Jordan is probably in amazement over this opportunity.

We are one wheel of four. MJ could decide to pull out at the last second. Dont get your panties in a wad.

[SWedd523]

EC going back to the negativity. I swear man, take some happy pills or something

[EC123]

Woj:

Nets and Bobcats still haven't agreed on DJ Augustin coming to Jersey as part of deal, team sources say. Nets need that in deal.

Okay, I'm starting to get pissed off.

[ammofan]

Woj again on Twitter:

The Nets want DJ Augustin as part of package, but two sources in process say it won't be a deal-breaker to keep them from getting 'Melo.

[Brad]

Cranston:

Told DJ Augustin won't be stumbling point in making deal happen

[EC123]

We are one wheel of four. MJ could decide to pull out at the last second. Dont get your panties in a wad.You just repeated what I said.

Good for you.

You shouldn't be saying "make this happen," since he's not in charge of it. You should be saying "don't screw this up", since he can do that without being in charge of it.

[EC123]

Cranston:

Told DJ Augustin won't be stumbling point in making deal happen

Man, just ship Augustin's arse to NJ already, and pursue Dampier. Sign Crittenton or Collins, and move the kcuf on.

[ammofan]

Man, just ship Augustin's arse to NJ already, and pursue Dampier. Sign Crittenton or Collins, and move the kcuf on.

Dude calm down....this should be an exciting moment....lol

http://cdn0.knowyourmeme.com/i/29356/original/umad128539779112343750.jpg?1260037629

[jdsingar]

D.J. is a cheap, solid backup PG with slight potential. He'd be a great trade chip.

N.J. isn't going to stop a Melo trade just because DJ isn't involved. Hold out on them. This is a beautiful thing.

[ammofan]

D.J. is a cheap, solid backup PG with slight potential. He'd be a great trade chip.

N.J. isn't going to stop a Melo trade just because DJ isn't involved. Hold out on them. This is a beautiful thing.

Either NJ gives in and we keep DJ or .....NJ/Utah/DEN gives up another player and we give up DJ.

[SWedd523]

ammofan, hook me up bro! Turn these into Charlotte jerseys pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeee!


http://www.pistonscast.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/terrence-williams1.jpg


http://www.slamonline.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/devin_harris1.jpg

[spectre]

This is starting to get really exciting!

They need us in the deal and not including DJ isn't a deal breaker. Looks so far like MJ is playing it right...FINALLY it appears we don't just give up assets for the hell of it.

About damn time.

[CatNation]

I can see the perspective that holding out would work because NJ HAS to do this deal, but also realize we are the most easily replaceable part of this trade.

DJ+Diaw for Harris is a lot closer than some of you are making it sound. veteran big (real BIG) for small with a decent prospect at the same position for an injury prone inefficient vet player with decent defense. it would have been a lot easier to just keep Felton really

[EC123]

D.J. is a cheap, solid backup PG with slight potential. He'd be a great trade chip.

N.J. isn't going to stop a Melo trade just because DJ isn't involved. Hold out on them. This is a beautiful thing.

No, but they can find another team that can ship something as good to Utah and get back a guard that's just as good as Augustin.

If Diaw and Augustin were stellar players, that'd be one thing. Jordan needs to stop holding out and ink this deal AS FAST AS HE CAN.

period!

[dnbman]

One more potential hindrance to the trade is the Nets want point guard D.J. Augustin from the Bobcats to help offset the loss of Harris, league sources said. So far, Charlotte has shown a reluctance to part with the young point guard in this trade. General manager Rod Higgins and coach Larry Brown want to try to keep him to play behind Harris.

The Nets would have only Jordan Farmar, who left the Los Angeles Lakers in the summer as a free agent, as an experienced point guard.

“That could still be a sticking point,” one source told Yahoo! Sports.

Still, the Nets are motivated to smooth over everything else should they get a commitment from Anthony to sign an extension with them. A league source said Anthony has until the end of the weekend to decide whether he’ll agree to an extension with the Nets.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-netsanthony092410

Sounds like Jordan knows he can push for something for DJ without straining the process unnecessarily.

I like the deal a lot, in spite of my appreciation for Diaw's game. I think Harris can be the gritty point guard we need to make our team work. Of course, he's nowhere in the conversation with the elite point guards. However, Harris is much better than what can be had around the league.

If we somehow get a pick or another inexpensive role player, this could be a very nice trade.

[EC123]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-netsanthony092410

Sounds like Jordan knows he can push for something for DJ without straining the process unnecessarily.

I like the deal a lot, in spite of my appreciation for Diaw's game. I think Harris can be the gritty point guard we need to make our team work. Of course, he's nowhere in the conversation with the elite point guards. However, Harris is much better than what can be had around the league.

If we somehow get a pick or another inexpensive role player, this could be a very nice trade.

Look, don't keep re-posting this crap. It's already pissing off enough people on multiple sites.

Jordan has to be completely RETARDED to be gambling with Devin Harris over DJ Augustin.

You don't need to try to get anything else. You have more than enough spare parts on the bench to clear up some cap space in other ways.

Stop gambling on Harris.

It's a very nice trade anyway. We are giving up sub-par players to the ONE we would be getting.

[GoBobs]

The can have DJ if they want him.


But only if they give us T-Will. :g:

[dnbman]

EC123, relax. You don't know what the situation is.

If multiple reporters are saying that DJ won't be a sticking point, then it probably means the Nets are ready to do the trade without DJ, but the Nets are putting together something to compensate us for DJ. These deals aren't usualy no limit hold'em like people want them to be.

If people are that angry about the deal not happening RIGHT NOW, they simply need to grow up.

[ammofan]

Wait.....is Twill actually an option? Where is that comin from?

And swedd.....I will work on a Devin jersey switch ;D

[EC123]

The can have DJ if they want him.


But only if they give us T-Will. :g:

If that's your position, then you don't realize how big a gap there is between Harris and Augustin or Harris and Diaw or Harris and Augustin+Diaw.

You don't need anything else from the Nets for Harris to be a steal.

[ND22]

Okay, I sort of understand the hesitation to give up DJ, but I think it needs to be done simply for the fact that DJ would be PISSED if he had to play behind Harris. I mean, a week ago he thought he was the starter coming to, "claim his shit," now he could be potentially backing up Harris. If the deal will fall apart if DJ isn't included we need to bite the bullet and ship him.

At the same time though, I NJ's interest in Melo greatly outweighs their need for DJ. How pissed would Nets fans be if they learned the reason the deal fell through was because New Jersey wanted DJ.

[EC123]

EC123, relax. You don't know what the situation is.

If multiple reporters are saying that DJ won't be a sticking point, then it probably means the Nets are ready to do the trade without DJ, but the Nets are putting together something to compensate us for DJ. These deals aren't usualy no limit hold'em like people want them to be.

If people are that angry about the deal not happening RIGHT NOW, they simply need to grow up.

They don't need to grow up. Some of you need to get some freaking perspective.

You don't know the situation either, regardless of what it ends up being. The Nets could equally be saying Jordan needs to realize they are doing him a favor, and since he doesn't, they're calling around to see if there is another team they could include as the 4th team in the deal other than the Bobcats.

Again, I'm not saying that that's what's happening, but it could be happening just like what you are saying could be happening.

To hold up a deal over Augustin, when Harris is the PG that you are getting for him, is ridiculous. If the Nets give up nothing else, losing Augustin and Diaw for Harris is a FAIR TRADE, period.

[BlockParty]

This was from Cranston's Twitter 19 minutes ago...in response to BCP Proudiddy

http://twitter.com/mikecranston1



Think DJ is gone if deal happens RT @Proudiddy (http://twitter.com/Proudiddy): so does that mean we'd still be getting harris and keeping dj as well? 19 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/mikecranston1/status/25454754992) via ÜberTwitter (http://www.ubertwitter.com/bb/download.php)

[spectre]

EC123, relax. You don't know what the situation is.

If multiple reporters are saying that DJ won't be a sticking point, then it probably means the Nets are ready to do the trade without DJ, but the Nets are putting together something to compensate us for DJ. These deals aren't usualy no limit hold'em like people want them to be.

If people are that angry about the deal not happening RIGHT NOW, they simply need to grow up.

Right there with you. Everyone's saying DJ isn't a dealbreaker, and Cranston is saying that and in the next tweet says he thinks DJ will be going out. NJ obviously needs him, so Jordan is dead on in trying to get all he can in the deal. It's far enough along now where if they went fishing for another team it'd likely just not happen...and both NJ & Utah don't want that.

[ammofan]

I want the deal done as much as the next guy but I like that MJ is doing what he is doing. Go all in or dont go in at all. This is a business....get as much production as possible....

[spectre]

http://ken-berger.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/11838893/24791989


Two executives involved in the complicated discussions among the Nuggets (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/teams/page/DEN), Nets, Bobcats (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/teams/page/CHA) and Jazz (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/teams/page/UTA) dismissed a published report saying Anthony had already given his approval. That aspect of the transaction, necessary because the Nets won't trade for Anthony unless he agrees to a contract extension, is "the easy part," one of the execs said. The hard part is the structure of the deal, which ran into a couple of roadblocks over the past 48 hours.

One impediment, sources say, is the Bobcats' refusal to include point guard D.J. Augustin (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/players/playerpage/1622492) in the trade. The Nets, who will be left without a starting point guard with Devin Harris (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/players/playerpage/498285) going to Charlotte in the four-team scenario, don't necessarily view that as a deal-breaker. But sources say the Nets, the team that has been most aggressive in its pursuit of Anthony since it became known six weeks ago he wanted out of Denver, are concerned enough that they are continuing their attempts to pry Augustin from the Bobcats. If they're unsuccessful, another option would be to try to bring in another team.

"It could expand," one of the sources said.

The way this is worded it looks like we'd get Devin regardless of whether DJ is included.

[SWedd523]

I think TWill may very well be in play if they want DJ so badly. Remember, before the supposed package was Favors, TWill, Murphy, AND picks. As of now, it's only Favors, Devin and picks. I can see the point of us trying to get something a little more out of them.

[ND22]

http://ken-berger.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/11838893/24791989


The way this is worded it looks like we'd get Devin regardless of whether DJ is included.

I agree, but I still don't like the sound of that.

[EC123]

Right there with you. Everyone's saying DJ isn't a dealbreaker, and Cranston is saying that and in the next tweet says he thinks DJ will be going out. NJ obviously needs him, so Jordan is dead on in trying to get all he can in the deal. It's far enough along now where if they went fishing for another team it'd likely just not happen...and both NJ & Utah don't want that.

What you all are obviously not realizing is NJ DOES NOT NEED AUGUSTIN and Utah does not need Diaw.

NJ needs a PG, and Utah needs a player of similar size and skill to Diaw. Nothing's stopping them from finding another team that can give them players of the same caliber as Augustin and Diaw.

It may not happen. Jordan may get what he's looking for, but there's no need to play around with it.

I repeat. Augustin + Diaw for Harris is fair, in and of itself.


But sources say the Nets, the team that has been most aggressive in its pursuit of Anthony since it became known six weeks ago he wanted out of Denver, are concerned enough that they are continuing their attempts to pry Augustin from the Bobcats. If they're unsuccessful, another option would be to try to bring in another team.Until I hear that the Bobcats must be in the deal, and can't be replaced by another "4th" team, then Jordan's demands are unreasonable.

[ammofan]

This begins to remind me all too much of the Beasley deal that wasnt

[kickazzz2000]

If MJ somehow pried T Will out of NJ, I will bust a nut all over this call room that i'm stuck in til 10am.

[spectre]

It's little surprise King would consult with the Jazz and Bobcats. Charlotte coach Larry Brown originally brought King into the NBA and has been a longtime mentor. Likewise, King and Brown both have close relationships with Jazz GM Kevin O'Connor

Read more: http://www.newsobserver.com/2010/09/24/701204/source-potential-bobcats-trade.html#ixzz10V6yNxMt

The old man continues to pull strings. What a helluva signing he was.

[EC123]

This begins to remind me all too much of the Beasley deal that wasnt

Beasley sucks. That deal shouldn't have been.

[millst2]

Well I am sure ecstatic as hell with the thoughts of bringing in Harris. We get rid of one of the most lukewarm players we have had over the past couple years in Diaw, and some of us had thought that Livingston would be starting over DJ anyways, so I am not sad to unload DJ either.

This makes me forgive the FO for bringing in Jav Critt, this is a huge move and damn sure makes us a better team. We were really needing that third all-star caliber player. Hell a few months more under LB we could be looking at 4 all-star caliber players with TT coming to life.

I like this a lot. Last yr Diaw and DJ averaged a combined 17pts / 6 assists / 6 boards
and Harris was 17pts / 6assists and 3 boards.

Damn I love this!

[ammofan]

Beasley sucks. That deal shouldn't have been.

Your not getting what I said......I said this reminds me of the Beas deal that didnt happen. We all thought it was done and then.......

I wont go any further because this better happen

[ND22]

Beasley sucks. That deal shouldn't have been.

Also I don't know where Beasley would have fit with this team, considering we would have still had TT and Boris had it gone down if I remember correctly anyway.

[spectre]

What you all are obviously not realizing is NJ DOES NOT NEED AUGUSTIN and Utah does not need Diaw.

NJ needs a PG, and Utah needs a player of similar size and skill to Diaw. Nothing's stopping them from finding another team that can give them players of the same caliber as Augustin and Diaw.

It may not happen. Jordan may get what he's looking for, but there's no need to play around with it.

I repeat. Augustin + Diaw for Harris is fair, in and of itself.

Until I hear that the Bobcats must be in the deal, and can't be replaced by another "4th" team, then Jordan's demands are unreasonable.

I realize plenty.

It appears the deal is on the cusp of happening and DJ is a MINOR sticking point if the reports are to be believed. It looks like it'll happen regardless. Now it seems they're negotiating DJ's worth. I doubt seriously if we're going to get TWill for DJ...but dumping a bad contract like Carroll or even Nagera would help a small market franchise like us a lot.

I want this to happen just as much as you do. If it all blows up because of us not including DJ then you can make a sig calling me an idiot for agreeing with Jordan's stance.

[spectre]

One of the great things about Devin? Boy gets to the line. Averages around 8 attempts per 40...shooting around 80%.

When he's on he's dominant as hell and can't be stopped. He plays D (a scorer who plays D!) and he's only 28!

Please don't let this be a dream.

[kickazzz2000]

So DJ and Felts will both be starting PG's in the same city...sort of. Maybe they can hang out.

[millst2]

Damn right spectre

I love this deal, I mean the guy is a career .800 FT shooter, 30% from the arch, makes roughly half the shots from the field. Lockdown D,, shit fits hand in hand on what we had last yr.

just getting rid of Diaw is a dream come true. Come on MJ, let's do this shit

[ammofan]

So DJ and Felts will both be starting PG's in the same city...sort of. Maybe they can hang out.

I doubt DJ wants any more of Ray lmao

[kickazzz2000]

I realize plenty.

It appears the deal is on the cusp of happening and DJ is a MINOR sticking point if the reports are to be believed. It looks like it'll happen regardless. Now it seems they're negotiating DJ's worth. I doubt seriously if we're going to get TWill for DJ...but dumping a bad contract like Carroll or even Nagera would help a small market franchise like us a lot.

I want this to happen just as much as you do. If it all blows up because of us not including DJ then you can make a sig calling me an idiot for agreeing with Jordan's stance.

DJ may not be worth TWill but what we swap 2009 1st's????

DJ+Hendo
Harris+TWill

[BlockParty]

So DJ and Felts will both be starting PG's in the same city...sort of. Maybe they can hang out.
http://www.superlame.com/pictures/mySuperLamePic_6405625a41e4d046032cb7d9c2dffcf5.jp g

[ammofan]

just getting rid of Diaw is a dream come true. Come on MJ, let's do this shit

My 12 yr old sister calls him the fat french fry.......Im so ready to get rid of him lol

I would trade Diaw for TJ Ford lmao.....and MJ has brought in Harris (Hopefully)

[ammofan]

http://www.superlame.com/pictures/mysuperlamepic_6405625a41e4d046032cb7d9c2dffcf5.jp g

lmao......

[spectre]

DJ may not be worth TWill but what we swap 2009 1st's????

DJ+Hendo
Harris+TWill

I'd be all over it, but you'd think it would be imperative for NJ to have a distributor to pair with DJ like we would have with Boris. If they're willing to do the trade without DJ included they can always shop for a PG afterwards.

I hear Caleron is available. :biggrin:

And keeping DJ wouldn't be a bad thing at all. Who's our 3 point threats?

[ammofan]

I'd be all over it, but you'd think it would be imperative for NJ to have a distributor to pair with DJ like we would have with Boris. If they're willing to do the trade without DJ included they can always shop for a PG afterwards.

I hear Caleron is available. :biggrin:

And keeping DJ wouldn't be a bad thing at all. Who's our 3 point threats?

We have Hammer again...the best 3 pt shooter we've had in CHA

[kickazzz2000]

LOL @ this thread from a lulzronto fan

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1054590

[spectre]

We have Hammer again...the best 3 pt shooter we've had in CHA

I'm afraid that LB won't play him. Even if he does I bet he don't get much PT over the defensive player (Henderson). Given the choice LB always goes for the D.

[EC123]

I'd be all over it, but you'd think it would be imperative for NJ to have a distributor to pair with DJ like we would have with Boris. If they're willing to do the trade without DJ included they can always shop for a PG afterwards.

I hear Caleron is available. :biggrin:

And keeping DJ wouldn't be a bad thing at all. Who's our 3 point threats?

Augustin needs to go, period.

He's not going to be the starter...he doesn't need to be on the team.

[ammofan]

Augustin needs to go, period.

He's not going to be the starter...he doesn't need to be on the team.

Dude.....basically your saying if a guy isnt gonna start he shouldnt be on the team......

we need more than 5 players.

[SWedd523]

LOL @ this thread from a lulzronto fan

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1054590

I commented on the thread lol

[EC123]

Dude.....basically your saying if a guy isnt gonna start he shouldnt be on the team......

we need more than 5 players.

No, what I'm saying is, DJ Augustin isn't going to start, so he doesn't need to be on the team.

Livingston and Crittenton should be the back up PGs.

Part ways with Augustin.

I suppose if you switch doctors, you'd also want the old one in the room when the new one is performing surgery on you. Get real. It's best for both parties for Augustin to be elsewhere.

[spectre]

Raps fans are hilarious. They were all ecstatic thinking they were "taking" us, then want to blackball Jordan for backing out of a terrible trade.

And they're still butt hurt! Ever since they've posted trades/made comments in trade threads with an obvious grudge against us and Jordan.

Boy are we going to have fun if this 4 way goes down!

[jdsingar]

I commented on the thread lol

lol is that guy serious? so instead of Diaw, who can at least sort of play basketball...Utah can get Reggie Evans and Marcus Banks who will be the 14th and 15th man.

Only thing is, Terrence Williams needs to be in on the deal. He'd be going to Toronto, of course.

[millst2]

And keeping DJ wouldn't be a bad thing at all. Who's our 3 point threats?

DJ actually isnt a loss in the 3pt range. He was .400 avg / .330 in playoffs
so if we lose him we still do not suffer much at all.

Jax = .330 avg / .330 playoffs
Hammer = .400 / .300
Najera = .340 / .300
Wallace = .310 / .450 WHAT..lol
Diaw = .330 / .130 WHAT?
and Collins in college was a .370 but may not translate into the big leagues.

So we arent suffering by losing DJ in the 3pt dept. Get rid of him and let's NOT kill this trade.

[spectre]

No, what I'm saying is, DJ Augustin isn't going to start, so he doesn't need to be on the team.

Livingston and Crittenton should be the back up PGs.

Part ways with Augustin.

I suppose if you switch doctors, you'd also want the old one in the room when the new one is performing surgery on you. Get real. It's best for both parties for Augustin to be elsewhere.

Aren't you worried about our lack from behind the arc? You can't serious expect LB to give Carroll meaningful minutes...so that makes our best 3 ballers shooting sub 30%. DJ playing the same role he has in the past is an asset for us, and esp. on his rookie deal.

Hell, look at the hype he got from his rookie year where he mainly just excelled from 3 and the FT line. Let him up his value while providing us a needed service.

[ammofan]

No, what I'm saying is, DJ Augustin isn't going to start, so he doesn't need to be on the team.

Livingston and Crittenton should be the back up PGs.

Part ways with Augustin.

I suppose if you switch doctors, you'd also want the old one in the room when the new one is performing surgery on you. Get real. It's best for both parties for Augustin to be elsewhere.

Dude I know.....This isnt a congressional debate, its talk about the Bobcats. No need to be so serious. I was just messin with ya.

But yea I mean we dont need DJ, but If we can keep him, why should'nt we? It doesnt seem to be a deal breaker right now. If we can deal him for an additional piece then just do it.

[BlockParty]

http://www.superlame.com/pictures/mySuperLamePic_6c2aa837ab7a5a42bef33536b2c87cdd.jp g

[ammofan]

Guys, Toronto fans are Canadiens, we can't expect much intelligence from them :D

[spectre]

DJ actually isnt a loss in the 3pt range. He was .400 avg / .330 in playoffs
so if we lose him we still do not suffer much at all.

Jax = .330 avg / .330 playoffs
Hammer = .400 / .300
Najera = .340 / .300
Wallace = .310 / .450 WHAT..lol
Diaw = .330 / .130 WHAT?
and Collins in college was a .370 but may not translate into the big leagues.

So we arent suffering by losing DJ in the 3pt dept. Get rid of him and let's NOT kill this trade.

Don't get your conclusion Millst...DJ shot 40% during the season and the next best was 34%. I'd say we do need a 3 pt specialist that LB would put on the court.

BTW...as a supposed "hater" of DJ I want it noted who's arguing for keeping him on the roster. :biggrin:

[BETCATS]

Wild/crazy guess as to why MJ might not want to trade DJ:

If it isnt a deal breaker, why move him to help someone in the same conference? If it is true the Kings want him, send his ass to Sacremento!

Harris/Livingson/Javaris Critterton
Jackson/Henderson/Carrol
Wallace/Derrick Brown/Najera
Ty Thomas/Jason Thompson/Najera/Kwame Brown/Derrick Brown (all 3 can take minutes at PF when needed)
Nazr/Kwame/Diop*with Thomas for small ball.

That is a 5th or 6th seed.

[millst2]

HAHA I had hopes for DJ in his rookie year, but to me Felts always outshined him. And I see you trying to keep him on the roster
but it is not needed. So what if carroll doesnt get major minutes, DJ didnt either last yr he avg'd 18 mins a game. I see carroll at least
getting what DJ did. Hell even if he doesn't losing 1 out of 20 3's shot going in, isn't enough to kill the deal. Especially when we gain better
D and more scoring.

But yes sir, I have you on record for fighting to keep DJ on the pine!

[spectre]

If it is true the Kings want him, send his ass to Sacremento!

Wait a minute...the Kings want him?

The hell with DJ...Mr. Thompson come on down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Heh!

[BETCATS]

Wait a minute...the Kings want him?

The hell with DJ...Mr. Thompson come on down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Heh!
I remember somebody saying somewhere (im 99% sure in a different thread) that they do want him.
Idk if its true, im just saying tho....

[Black]

Not sure if this has been posted, but if Augustin is sent to NJ, we are expected to get Jarvis Hayes along with Harris.
Sources told ESPN.com that the deal, which has yet to be finalized, would send former All-Star point guard Devin Harris to Charlotte, with Bobcats forward Boris Diaw moving to Utah. The Bergen Record reported Friday afternoon that the Nets would also receive Bobcats guard D.J. Augustin, with New Jersey's Jarvis Hayes accompanying Harris to Charlotte in a sign-and-trade. Nets swingman Quinton Ross would go to Utah and Denver would get a 1-to-7 protected first-round pick in 2012 that New Jersey received from Golden State. http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5610989

[BlockParty]

I'm guessing that they're just throwing him in to make the dollars work.

Looks like we want a sign and trade for Jarvis (I know they need him to make the dollars work if DJ is involved....but why do we want him??)....unless it's a non-guaranteed contract. Sad that we'd trade DJ for CAP space though

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5610989


The Bergen Record reported Friday afternoon that the Nets would also receive Bobcats guard D.J. Augustin (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3415), with New Jersey's Jarvis Hayes (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1980) accompanying Harris to Charlotte in a sign-and-trade.

[SWedd523]

from wiki:



Hayes was selected by the Washington Wizards with the 10th overall pick of the 2003 NBA Draft. Throughout his NBA career, Hayes has averaged at least 8.0 points per game. Hayes is known for scoring points but sometimes lacks defensive prowess.

No way do we want him

[Twan's Kin]

If we still had Dampier now, would it make this deal easier to make?

[SWedd523]

I have to think it would.

[EC123]

Denver unsure? They should be the happiest:

Chris_Broussard: "I'm told Denver's dragging its feet, not sure it wants to go ahead and make the deal. Waiting game from this point on."
about 2 hours ago via web

[Absinthe]

They're being moronic if they're dragging their feet. I assure you that they won't get any more value for Carmelo.

My absolute dream would be if Charlotte could pry Nene from Denver. Charlotte is already looking to be one of the most athletic teams in the league, but the center position is a huge issue.

The reason why Devin Harris is traded a lot isn't because of talent. He's immensely talented, but he's fragile. The trick would be keeping him on the court. He tends to attack the basket a lot and he get knocked down a lot. If he bulks up he loses his speed so it's a tricky situation.

[CatNation]

hopefully we arent being played just to force NYK or Chicago to make a move

[LiquidWayno]

Sincere apologies if anyone has already posted this, says Melo approved the trade - http://ambasketball.com/2010/09/breaking-carmelo-approves-trade-to-nets/ . probably just putting out the fire with gasoline.

[Absinthe]

New York really has nothing to offer Denver. Carmelo could strong arm them into a deal, but it still isn't likely. When the Nets move to Brooklyn he'll pretty much be playing in New York anyway (and with Chris Paul).

Chicago cannot part with Noah. If they lose him then they have no front court. They've taken a lot of heat for not wanting to move him, but he is vital to that team.

[teej]

Chicago cannot part with Noah. If they lose him then they have no front court.

Totally agree with you, but Carlos Boozer's no slouch.

[mrtarheel]

Since all of our parts work with NJ an Diaw still going to Utah I couldn't get the trade machine to make it work but MJ might be holding out for Humphries to back up TT. That would be great if we could send them Najera (remind u Diaw is still sent to Utah not NJ)
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=35rr4t2
but this would be awesome if he were able to pull this one off (remind u Diaw is still sent to Utah not NJ)
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=23srwgl

[Absinthe]

Boozer is no slouch, but he can't carry a front court. It's one reason why Utah didn't bother to resign him. Chicago got Boozer to compliment Noah. Noah is a good defender and is a fantastic rebounder. Boozer is a great post player and scorer. That's exactly what they need. I think Chicago is going to surprise a lot of people.

[gforce33]

diaw for harris?

could not happend

[BobCatsFanInTx]

It looks like MJ and Higgins are going to be stupid and end their part in the trade due to a reluctance to trade DJ. If that is the case MJ and Higgins are total idiots.

[Fred Williamson]

I'm not really a big fan of Harris. I rather for us try and get a good center though.

This. I like Harris, but he's not significantly better than Felton and also injury prone, plus we now have the worst big man rotation in the history of the NBA.

I'd rather see us going after someone like Carl Landry, because we need a scoring big man for god's sake.

[Toocool]

I wonder what it would take to pry Nene, and also get Harris.
Any trade masters out there able to make one? (That's if it's not already made)

[Fred Williamson]

^Jax. Which would be okay with me if we somehow also get T-Will in return.

Harris/T-Will/Crash/Tyrus/Nene


yes please.

[spectre]

This. I like Harris, but he's not significantly better than Felton and also injury prone, plus we now have the worst big man rotation in the history of the NBA.

I'd rather see us going after someone like Carl Landry, because we need a scoring big man for god's sake.

During all of this I read a tweet from somewhere saying that Devin has added about 15 pounds and has gotten stronger, all in an effort to stay on the court for the whole upcoming season.

I'll agree that being injury prone is my biggest downside, and it could have a lot to do with our reluctance to part with DJ.

FWIW one of the RoF guys says his source is speculating that they want to keep DJ because they have another suitor...and that it might be possible to expand it to where Birdman comes to us.

I think the FO is aware of our need for an upgrade at the C spot. If we do make this trade I don't think we're done.

Being a facilitator in a multi team trade gets you very good returns. Before this trade rumor did anyone think the parts being named here would actually pull better talent?

You have to do this type of trade...esp. since we can't draft for crap.

[EC123]

The reason why Devin Harris is traded a lot isn't because of talent. He's immensely talented, but he's fragile. The trick would be keeping him on the court. He tends to attack the basket a lot and he get knocked down a lot. If he bulks up he loses his speed so it's a tricky situation.

Harris supposedly added 15 pounds of muscle in the offseason to keep from getting injured this year. He was already super quick. Hopefully now he's still at least quick.

[EC123]

This. I like Harris, but he's not significantly better than Felton and also injury prone, plus we now have the worst big man rotation in the history of the NBA.

This pretty much proves that you know NOTHING about basketball, and have no eye for talent, whatsoever.

At the Center position, all you need is someone who is big enough and mobile enough to defend Howard, and others. If this team had Harris, a scoring Center wouldn't be a necessity, because we'd already be capable, offensively.

If the front office had a brain, they'd get rid Augustin and Diaw, accept Harris, and then do their darndest to try and lure Dampier back to Charlotte. Dampier would be more than enough to defend other bigs in the league.

[ohara831]

If Denver and/or Melo blow this deal for Charlotte, I am going to find a voodoo priestess to send them the Plague!

[EC123]

FYI:
From what I'm hearing most recently, none of this is really inside info.
Cats are still doing whatever they can to get DJ off the table, even if that means including Hendo to tempt New Jersey.

NJ are still pushing hard for DJ, but don’t want to risk finding a new 4th team and have someone undercut them with a better offer, so they may end up dealing for Melo and looking for a PG later. I also hear they’re trying to see if there is any way they can get Billups from Denver too, but can’t find a way to make the $$ work, because Denver do not want Devin Harris.

My guys suspects (note: ‘suspects’ not ‘knows’) that the reluctance to trade Augustin may be because the Bobcats have another suitor for him.

Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
by James The Aussie on Sep 25, 2010 1:41 AM EDT up reply

---

Got a brief update: This is the Bobcats trying to strong arm the negotiations
I hope they haven’t misjudged their importance in this trade, but they are putting the ball back in Jersey’s court saying ’You’re really going to kill this over DJ Augustin?’

Each minute that ticks the Nets are wondering if Chicago will change their mind on Noah which would kill any offer from Jersey short of Favors and Lopez.

I don’t know what the Bobcats are hoping to get out of this deal, but the most plausible thing that’s gaining some momentum is that I’ve heard there is one more piece that Denver want from NJ (not Lopez). If the Nets are willing to send that to Denver I’ve heard Chris Anderson will head to Charlotte and the Bobcats will okay Augustin to Jersey. Only player I can see is Kris Humphries… I guess Denver want another big with an expiring contract… who knows.

Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
by James The Aussie on Sep 25, 2010 1:55 AM EDT up reply I wish they would just get this crap done, already! The longer this drags out, the more likely something will go wrong.

"...because Denver does not want Harris"?

Sounds to me like someone asked if Denver did. How else would you know that Denver doesn't want Harris? Well, the Bobcats do, and if they screw this up, this organization is dead to me.

"You're really going to kill this over DJ Augustin"?

Did they say they'd kill it? You fools are going to kill it.

[spectre]

Heh, if this stretches out to Monday EC you're going to go crazy!

I don't think Chicago is in the picture anymore if they ever really were. Supposedly Noah is "upset" that the Bulls' initial offer for a contract extension was "only" 5 years/57 million...so much so that he's left for France to visit his dad and won't be at media day.

Denver already didn't want Deng's contract. Why in the hell would they take on Noah when he's want 13-14 per year?

[ziggy]

Heh, if this stretches out to Monday EC you're going to go crazy!

I don't think Chicago is in the picture anymore if they ever really were. Supposedly Noah is "upset" that the Bulls' initial offer for a contract extension was "only" 5 years/57 million...so much so that he's left for France to visit his dad and won't be at media day.

Denver already didn't want Deng's contract. Why in the hell would they take on Noah when he's want 13-14 per year?


I think it'll be a whole bunch of us going off the deep end if this drags on through the entire weekend. :hypo:

[dnbman]

I wish we knew more about possible DJ moves. I haven't seen anything but back-door speculation. If there was a real possibility of getting Jason Thompson for DJ, then I definitely want mgmt. to try and make the Harris trade happen without DJ.

My guess is that NJ is VERY motivated to get this deal done, knowing that this may be their one opportunity to get a true superstar over the next couple of years.

[ballwhore]

This sh#t is dead as of 9:36pm last night

[dnbman]

This sh#t is dead as of 9:36pm last night

If that is the case, do you know why?

[Fred Williamson]

This pretty much proves that you know NOTHING about basketball, and have no eye for talent, whatsoever.

At the Center position, all you need is someone who is big enough and mobile enough to defend Howard, and others. If this team had Harris, a scoring Center wouldn't be a necessity, because we'd already be capable, offensively.

If the front office had a brain, they'd get rid Augustin and Diaw, accept Harris, and then do their darndest to try and lure Dampier back to Charlotte. Dampier would be more than enough to defend other bigs in the league.

Did you exactly read my post, Einstein? I said BIG MAN ROTATION which also includes the power forward position. And you really think it will be that easy to crack 40wins in the east if this team doesn't have anyone at PF/C who can be a threat offensively? Teams are going to shut down Jax and Crash, and then what? Are we going to unleash are our super secret weapon Dominic "who tha fuck?" McGuire? or former nr. 1 pick Kwame Brown?

You won't win shit, if your big men can't contribute offensively.

[dnbman]

Let's do our best to stop throwing around personal comments. Everybody's jacked up about this possible trade; no need to attack a fellow fan because your opinion differs.

[ammofan]

Well Day 2 of all this....lets hope it happens

[BlockParty]

I think it'll be a whole bunch of us going off the deep end if this drags on through the entire weekend. :hypo:

It'll be done or dead by Monday. Monday is the media day for most of the leaque (25 of the 30 teams I think), and every team involved doesn't want to take pictures of the guy they are getting ready to shove on a plane.

[BlockParty]

If we still had Dampier now, would it make this deal easier to make?

If Damp's contract hadn't been waived, Damp would've accidently hurt his back in the recent pick-up games and he'd be on our bench with his $13M contract, MJ would be on the hook for $24M (including impact of LT). Instead Damp's trying to figure out if he can max out at a 2 year deal worth $4-5M.

If all this happened back on Dust day while we still had Damp in the oxygen chamber...we'd be demanding more than just Harris and Hayes.

[BRNC]

Trying to finish reading through the entire thread I ran across this link...seems to indicate we're not willing to include DJ...WTF is all I can say if that's the case...but here is the link...and I apologize if someone already has it linked I just did not see it if that's the case...

http://ken-berger.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/11838893/24791989

[spectre]

Jarvis Hayes...we'd just be obtaining his rights, not the player. Presumably he'd be added to make the salaries work, then eventually renounced by us if we need the space elsewhere. He'd cost us nothing, but allow us to take less salary back.

BRNC I think it's poker. If the deal would go down without including DJ why include him?

[ballwhore]

This sh#t is dead as of 9:36pm last night
MJ and Higgins don't want to trade DJ but of course LB does. DJ will be moved but not for Harris. If you think there are questions about DJ's leadership put three asteriks by Harris. DJ wil be moved hopefully but it won't be for the often injured Harris when the Bobcats already have Livinston coming of his knee situation. Im surprised you guys would jump at this knowing the injury history but I guess anything is better than DJ last year. One good year where you guys wanted him starting over man loved Felton. One bad year now he is trash. Can't wait for the season to start. Hopefully he is out of Charlotte though him and LB don't make a good mix.

[BETCATS]

Are we going to unleash are our super secret weapon Dominic "who tha fuck?" McGuire?
Yes.

But for a real answer, clicky clicky:
http://www.nba.com/games/20100426/ORLCHA/gameinfo.html#nbaGIboxscore
HINT: HE SCORED 21 POINTS AND INFLUENCED ME TO USE CAPS LOCKS

Much better than those 0,2,4,6 point outings Diaw constantly gives us. What an offensive threat he is.
Dont get me wrong, Diaw has more offensive skill than Tyrus, but he has absolutely no motivation to be anywhere near consistent using it. That will not change.

[TyHill]

I dont think this is really dead as ballwhore says. From what ive heard there was a possible 5th team trying to get in the mix and that was at 11:30pm last night. Denver is dragging ass on this whole thing though.

[ammofan]

I dont think this is really dead as ballwhore says. From what ive heard there was a possible 5th team trying to get in the mix and that was at 11:30pm last night. Denver is dragging ass on this whole thing though.

Where did u hear that?

[WAM9]

Just watched on ESPN that this is very much alive.

[spectre]

I dont think this is really dead as ballwhore says. From what ive heard there was a possible 5th team trying to get in the mix and that was at 11:30pm last night. Denver is dragging ass on this whole thing though.

Do you have anything more, like who the 5th team could be?

I don't think it's dead either. It sounds like Denver is still a little iffy and Melo hasn't signed off (but is leaning towards it)...but in the end I think both will realize this is probably the best they can hope for.

[TyHill]

http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22748484/24803276

"If the Bobcats stick to their guns and the Nets still need a point guard, there's the possibility of a fifth team being added, making this the most ridiculous trade of the year, or at least a strong candidate."

Thing with this is there is no possibility. There is a 5th team trying to get in and im not sure who the 5th team is, I imagine its another east team.

[Scottley Crue]

I dont think this is really dead as ballwhore says. From what ive heard there was a possible 5th team trying to get in the mix and that was at 11:30pm last night. Denver is dragging ass on this whole thing though.

I'd bet the 5th team is offering a PG that NJ likes. I can understand our position...there's at least two other teams involved in this trade, why are we required to give up a PG? There's a lot of motivation on all sides to get this done, so I'm thinking something gets done but adding a 5th team makes it very complicated. Maybe NJ warms to the idea of Hendo instead of DJ?

[spectre]

I'll just bet that Denver is trying to get TWill included...and that is part of the "we might also get Anderson" in an expanded trade and us trying to swap Hendo for DJ (per a RoF guy).

No matter how desperate the Nets are to get Melo...do you give all that up when the package you're already offering is superior to anything else?

I can't imagine it getting any better for Denver. The closer to the end of the season it goes the more Melo will be thinking of the Knicks...and Denver would get crap for payment just like Cleveland & Toronto.

[ohara831]

RoF had a link to Twitter by TT: Said has a lot on his mind, but cannot talk, like a gag order. Interesting.

[TyHill]

I'll just bet that Denver is trying to get TWill included...and that is part of the "we might also get Anderson" in an expanded trade and us trying to swap Hendo for DJ (per a RoF guy).

No matter how desperate the Nets are to get Melo...do you give all that up when the package you're already offering is superior to anything else?

I can't imagine it getting any better for Denver. The closer to the end of the season it goes the more Melo will be thinking of the Knicks...and Denver would get crap for payment just like Cleveland & Toronto.


It could be one of those things where Ok..Melo knows Chicago and New York cant offer anything better so maybe Melo is requesting Chauncey with him? which would require a 5th team to come in to help facilitate everything.

[Toocool]

http://www.nba.com/2010/news/09/24/aldridge-carmelo-anthony/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt1

Confirmed that the deal is in place, just waiting on whether Nuggets will pull the trigger.

[ballwhore]

Dj not getting traded to New Jersey..That's dead

[ammofan]

RoF had a link to Twitter by TT: Said has a lot on his mind, but cannot talk, like a gag order. Interesting.

TT meaning Tyrus?

[dav7z]

The only thing i can really find is this is a done deal if Melo agrees to a extension.
Is thair any links about us holding up the trade because of DJ ?? Please help?

[ohara831]

Dj not getting traded to New Jersey..That's dead

If we can do this without shipping off DJ, that would be great! Then maybe we use him in a deal to get a Center.

[ohara831]

TT meaning Tyrus?

Yes, Tyrus

[ballwhore]

your dead on

[dav7z]

Dj not getting traded to New Jersey..That's dead

Does this mean the Harris trade is dead all SO ?? THANKS FOR ANY HELP HEAR..

[dnbman]

your dead on

Jason Thompson??