DJ's assist to turnover ratio

[GoBobs]

5th best in the entire league so far! Just looking at point guards he is 2nd in the league! It goes:

1 Chris Paul
2 DJ
3 Jason Kidd
4 Beno Udrich
5 Rondo

We need to trust him with the ball a little more he has earned it.

[Plowright]

I totally agree 100%

[BigMike]

Cant argue with that. I have liked his play these last few games. He has totally earned some credit.

[ohara831]

Have to hand it to him. He is really stepping up.

[BRNC]

I think he is making enough of a case for himself that the FO needs to concentrate on upgrading the Center position and letting him (at least) run the team for this season...

[Scottley Crue]

I think he is making enough of a case for himself that the FO needs to concentrate on upgrading the Center position and letting him (at least) run the team for this season...

I agree. I am more comfortable with the PG spot than the C spot by several leaps and bounds.

[Ghost Kat]

I was thinking of making this thread last night....Glad i'm not the only one that see's DJ is smart with that basketball. His assists would be higher if people could hit there shots

[Dlpz87]

I haven't checked any of Bret's metrics, but it seems to me (from my extremely comprehensive online streaming watching) that DJ has been absolute money on those mid-range jumpers off-screens. I'd love to see that more in the gameplan..

[Proudiddy]

That's what's so jacked up about our TO situation. IT'S NOT COMING FROM THE PRIMARY BALL HANDLER... Shows he needs to have the ball in his hands more often instead of Jax or Diaw.

[ohara831]

That's what's so jacked up about our TO situation. IT'S NOT COMING FROM THE PRIMARY BALL HANDLER... Shows he needs to have the ball in his hands more often instead of Jax or Diaw.

Every game you see far more TO's from Jax, Crash and Diaw than from DJ. I know his Defense has hurt us a bit, but he takes care of the ball for the most part, and we need that right now.

[BigMike]

Every game you see far more TO's from Jax, Crash and Diaw than from DJ.

I feel like i have seen our players bouncing the ball off their own foot as they make a cut. Jack and Crash have both done this a lot. Diaw just makes a ton of questionable passes. When they work its money, when they dont... well you know.

[ballwhore]

All it takes is one bad game an you guys will be kicking him again. Anyway, i'm hearing Jack or Wallace to New Orleans for Peja and his 15 mil expiring contract brewing.

[Ghost Kat]

But this is really nothing new. DJ has always had a good ast/to ratio.

[Fred Williamson]

All it takes is one bad game an you guys will be kicking him again. Anyway, i'm hearing Jack or Wallace to New Orleans for Peja and his 15 mil expiring contract brewing.

I'm fine with Jax, but Crash for Peja? Donotwant.jpeg

[BRNC]

I could see Jack out but not Crash...not just for Peja anyway...and that (speculation) needs to be in the trade thread anyway...

[spectre]

All it takes is one bad game an you guys will be kicking him again. Anyway, i'm hearing Jack or Wallace to New Orleans for Peja and his 15 mil expiring contract brewing.

Like that's any different for other players. Crash might get a break, but we've also seen him bust his ass for a losing team 5 years in a row.

I'm happy about his small uptick in assists, but I'm MUCH more happy with the type of assists he's getting. 2 or 3 TOs a game from your PG when he's averaging 35-40 mpg to me isn't a big thing, but it's very good when he's making the assists that create shots AND keeps the TOs low.

We're still running a lot of O thru Jax though.

I can't believe MJ would trade Crash for an expiring. We wouldn't put him in the conversation for Melo so I doubt we'd do it here a month or two later.

If Jax went who would we start at the 2?

[BRNC]

spectre...I think it would depend on who actually came back in a trade...I have serious doubts we send Crash out so what does Jack actually bring or who goes with him...as for DJ...

He gets the same breaks/consideration as all the other players excluding Crash who has earned some slack...I'm no more down on DJ than any other player on the team...when he does his job he does his job...when he stinks he stinks...end of that stuff for me...

[ballwhore]

That expiring can be flipped into something else.

[davcbow]

DJ is turning into the PG Ive always thought he would be giving him time enough to learn the position in the NBA level.... As far as that trade goes, if they trade Wallace then I will stop watching this team. I would never trade the only all star we have unless we got back "PLENTY" of major talent.... :ranting:

[ballwhore]

I can see major talent coming back. Give this organization a chance bobcats have made enough dumb moves to fall into smart ones.

[spectre]

That expiring can be flipped into something else.

Not like he could straight up for talent. Portland, which has plenty of desirable assets would jump at the chance to get Crash.

Besides...we've seen what instant cap relief was able to get this year already. I seriously doubt an expiring would do any better.

I do believe Jax doesn't have any trade value. Along with his negatives he has that God awful contract GSW signed him to. Him I could see trading for an expiring...but it could very well hurt our chances this year. Like him or not, we need Jax or some similar talent to make the playoffs.

[BRNC]

That expiring can be flipped into something else.

I see what a good job we managed to do with turning the "Dust chip" into something "significant" so I'd pass on just getting expiring contracts and hope that can be actually used for something...unless we are blowing up the team, and I see no reason to do that this early, if we can trade and upgrade the 5 I'm for it as long as we do not create another hole...

LOL...beat me to it spectre...

...also...I'm taking the NO speculation we've started to the "trade thread"...

[BigMike]

I can see major talent coming back. Give this organization a chance bobcats have made enough dumb moves to fall into smart ones.

Gambler's Folly
Just because Red has hit the last 10 times doesn't mean Black is due ;)

[Proudiddy]

That expiring can be flipped into something else.
Hopefully not like Dampier's was...

[dvdbumpus]

Like that's any different for other players. Crash might get a break, but we've also seen him bust his ass for a losing team 5 years in a row.

I'm happy about his small uptick in assists, but I'm MUCH more happy with the type of assists he's getting. 2 or 3 TOs a game from your PG when he's averaging 35-40 mpg to me isn't a big thing, but it's very good when he's making the assists that create shots AND keeps the TOs low.

We're still running a lot of O thru Jax though.

I can't believe MJ would trade Crash for an expiring. We wouldn't put him in the conversation for Melo so I doubt we'd do it here a month or two later.

If Jax went who would we start at the 2?

Who would start at the 2. I'd say we'd probably be doing Peja and Hendo getting minutes based off the hot hand. Maybe some Livingston? Or we could move Diaw to the 2 on offense and guard the 3 on defense, while moving Thomas to the starting lineup.

[CatNation]

Jackson+Najera for Peja+Thornton

[Chef]

Jackson+Najera for Peja+Thornton

not najera. he is ungarunteed the last year of his contract vs carroll who isn't and is also getting 0 min.

[teej]

not najera. he is ungarunteed the last year of his contract vs carroll who isn't and is also getting 0 min.

No, when Najera wasn't waived this summer his final two years became guaranteed.

[Chef]

No, when Najera wasn't waived this summer his final two years became guaranteed.

oh in that case, najera is fine

[CatNation]

I figured they wouldnt want 2 SGs or Matt Carrolls awful deal coming back.

[ballwhore]

Cat your are dead on the pieces from New Orleans would be Peja and Thorton. Not sure who would be included with Jack or Wallace i'll see if I can get more info after tomorrows game.

[Chef]

Cat your are dead on the pieces from New Orleans would be Peja and Thorton. Not sure who would be included with Jack or Wallace i'll see if I can get more info after tomorrows game.

please tell me it isn't crash for just peja and thorton. crash is certainly worth alot more than that. although, i may have to start watching NO if crash went there. cp3 to crash all day.

[teej]

More likely would be Jack, Najera and Gana/Nazr for Peja, Thornton and Aaron Gray.

Crash would merely be a better, older version of Ariza. Jack fits the need as a go-to scorer, which lets CP3 focus on creating. But, with our luck, it'll be Crash and Nazr for Peja and Thornton...

[Chef]

wonder if matty's PT tonight was due to the zone by washington or as a "see he isn't complete trash" showcase to NO or another suitor? either way, i did enjoy seeing him back on the court and he didn't do an atrocious job on d against wall or arenas.

also, i think dj is really coming around. still not sure if he will grow into a true floor general, but he is looking MUCH better. big test tomorrow night though.

[rsxnova]

I think its time to consider DJ an up and coming player in the NBA. I hope he wins most improved player.

[GoBobs]

Just to update. DJ now leads the league in ast/to ratio barely ahead of Paul. He is also 8th overall in total assists, after having 10+ in the last three games. He is 12th overall in assists per game. One slot ahead of Raymond Felton.

[WAM9]

DJ continues to impress me each and every game. Having the speed and quickness that he does along with the turnover/assist numbers really speaks volumes about his control. I have never felt better about our PG spot than I do right now.

[dvdbumpus]

Just to update. DJ now leads the league in ast/to ratio barely ahead of Paul. He is also 8th overall in total assists, after having 10+ in the last three games. He is 12th overall in assists per game. One slot ahead of Raymond Felton.

The crazy thing on top of this is that we play a MUCH slower pace than New York, and we don't have an Amare to lob balls to. Nice job DJ!

[BlockParty]

Nice article on DJ in the Observer: Especially funny, the comment by Hanners about the lack of clear communication from the PG position last season.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/11/17/1845894/augustin-learning-how-to-be-the.html#ixzz15bIxprzW



The first thing you'd notice about D.J. Augustin is he's a really nice guy.

Maybe the second thing you'd notice, based on Augustin's first two seasons as a Charlotte Bobcat, is he was too nice for his own good.

A "Yes, sir. No, sir." type, Augustin was deferential and understated to a fault. Bossing people around didn't come naturally, and that's essential to being a point guard.

While no one would now call Augustin a jerk, he's far more assertive. The results are apparent; in his first season as an NBA starter, Augustin leads the league in assist-to-turnover ratio, at 4.61-to-1.

"He's been very vocal," said assistant coach Dave Hanners.

"Even last year, with both our point guards, we had trouble getting them to communicate their ideas to the rest of the group. I think D.J. has done a tremendous job of that. I very rarely see us where we don't know what (play) we're in.

"That was a problem all of last year."

Last season Augustin was Raymond Felton's backup, and wasn't particularly good at it. He regressed from his rookie season, with his field-goal percentage, assists and scoring all falling significantly.

So it seemed the worst time to make Augustin the starter, after Felton signed with the New York Knicks. And yet, over the first 11 games, Augustin has gone from the team's biggest question to its most efficient player.

"This is like what happened to me at Texas my freshman year, when I was not talkative enough on the court," Augustin recalled.
"My second year there I was more assertive, more vocal. Now I'm telling guys where they need to be, even Gerald (Wallace) and Jack (Stephen Jackson). They respect it when I tell them to do something, and that means a lot to me."

Augustin doesn't have an easy job. Wallace and Jackson are alpha males with an attacking mentality on the court. But those two account for about six of the Bobcats' 17.7 turnovers per game.

Often coach Larry Brown says Augustin defers too much. By that, Brown means Augustin is such a good decision-maker and shooter that he should be less quick to always give up the ball to Wallace and Jackson.

"He's making absolutely-sure passes and that's what this team needs," Hanners said. "If everybody on our team did that, our turnovers would drop like a rock."

Perhaps so, but Augustin can be only so bossy. He is, after all, a pleaser by nature.

"I'm the kind of guy who tries to make everybody happy on the court," Augustin said. "Especially the really great players I play with."

Fine, Brown says, but don't forget you're a 41-percent shooter from 3-point range.

"Sometimes he just throws the ball to people whether they're open or not," Brown described. "He's got to come off screens more aggressively and look for his own (shot.) If you come off a screen always looking to pass, you're not putting pressure on the defense.

"But that will come; he gets better every day."

[teej]

First off, I'm happy to admit I was wrong about DJ.

Second, and this is probably blasphemy, but maybe the Biscuit wasn't such an idiot to not play Ray at the point...

[Fred Williamson]

Second, and this is probably blasphemy, but maybe the Biscuit wasn't such an idiot to not play Ray at the point...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUH3JQjcweM

[spectre]

Second, and this is probably blasphemy, but maybe the Biscuit wasn't such an idiot to not play Ray at the point...

Yeah...Touche' was a much better option...

Guess it's up to me to throw a little cold water on this:

D.J. Augustin’s quasi-validation (http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/11/17/d-j-augustins-quasi-validation/)


But despite how impressive Augustin’s play has been, the Bobcats’ offense is as stagnant as ever. In relative terms, Charlotte’s offense jumped from 24th in the league last year to 21st this season, but they really only improved by 0.3 points per 100 possessions. I’ve got nothing against improvement (even of the marginal variety), but even Augustin’s offensive talents aren’t enough to compensate for Charlotte’s depressed defense.

The best defense in the league last season (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CHA/2010.html) is currently ranked 15th overall (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CHA/2011.html), and Augustin is a part of that. His overall season may be better than expected, but Augustin’s defense is as poor as previously thought. He tries, he’s just too small to effectively challenge shots and tends to get caught on screens. It’s a bummer because Augustin’s heart really is in the right place (even if it’s clear he doesn’t value defensive possessions to the same level he does offensive ones), he’s just not well-suited to defend NBA point guards. Augustin can’t be blamed for the entirety of his team’s defensive drop-off, but there’s a distinct difference between Raymond Felton (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NBA&id=1140)‘s defense and Augustin’s.

So kudos to Augustin for his three straight games of 10 assists or more. Good on him that he has the highest assist-to-turnover ratio of any point guard in the league (http://hoopdata.com/passingstats.aspx). It’s just not enough. The finer end of the floor calls Augustin to collect debt, and despite all that he’s earned on offense, he and the Bobcats still struggle to turn a profit.
Hopefully Kwame (can't believe I'm saying this) can help a lot...as I suspect the lack of a solid defensive C has been hurting us as badly as the guys on the perimeter. I do think however that a lot of guys (Crash & Jax in particular) are having to sacrifice some things they do on D in order to help DJ.

All that being said I really do like DJ's growth offensively. I at least have the hope we can at worst mirror last year's accomplishments...but ONLY if we can get better on defense.

[BlockParty]

I'm not going to argue our defense has driven off the top side of a cliff (123 points allowed in 4 consecutive quarters from utah 2nd half to halftime vs Minnesota), but our turnovers have create a lot of extra EASY buckets for our opponents, and DJ is not the root cause of them.

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[spectre]

Weren't we worst/near worst in the league in TOs last season?

I think it's more than the TOs that have dropped us from 1st to 15th.

[Plowright]

Can i just say. DJ has contained some great PG so far. Wall had just 10 points and 11 assists and until the end of the jazz game when jax started to guard him he held Deron

[CatNation]

Jackson guarded Deron 100% of the game. I don't think I saw DJ check him one time.

[BlockParty]

Weren't we worst/near worst in the league in TOs last season?

I think it's more than the TOs that have dropped us from 1st to 15th.

I think turnovers are a bigger part than most realize.

Last year we averaged 14.9, this year it's 16.7...so two extra fast breaks per game for the opponents equal 4 points per game.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/cha/stats

Our defense is giving up 96 ppg this year http://www.nba.com/statistics/sortable_team_statistics/sortable1.html?cnf=1&prd=1#top and we gave up 93.8 ppg last season http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2010.html

[spectre]

You don't think just going by the "eye test" that our defense is not what it was last year?

I don't think it's all DJ's fault or that he's even the main problem, but there's no doubt the wings are having to adjust defensively because of him.

We're playing very good D lately in spurts, and if Kwame can contribute a lot of that can be hid.

[BlockParty]

You don't think just going by the "eye test" that our defense is not what it was last year?

I don't think it's all DJ's fault or that he's even the main problem, but there's no doubt the wings are having to adjust defensively because of him.

We're playing very good D lately in spurts, and if Kwame can contribute a lot of that can be hid.

I think my comment above about the 'eye test' was pretty specific in my frustration with our defense compared to last year.


I'm not going to argue our defense has driven off the top side of a cliff (123 points allowed in 4 consecutive quarters from utah 2nd half to halftime vs Minnesota)

However, I don't think DJ is our problem. Yes the wings probably need to adjust more, but that also gives them more opportunities to get blocks and start our transistion game. But outside of Deron Williams (who DJ didn't guard) and Jason Kidd (who had an amazingly efficient game against us) the PG matchup in our games hasn't been why we lost the game. I still think Jack is by far our biggest problem so far this year (though he is the single biggest reason that DJ has his confidence back). Hopefully it's just a mental switch in his head. Actually, in the Bobcats chat last game, I asked Rochinski to have Steph Reedy T Jack up in pre-games so he wakes up earlier (he usually shows inprovement after he gets his first technical).

[teej]

Yeah...Touche' was a much better option...


There definitely wasn't a better option, don't get me wrong. But looking back, it seems like Sam was right that Ray isn't a true PG.

And as far as DJ/defense go, he's still got a ways to go before he is at Ray's level, but if we still had TC (or when Kwame takes over that role) he'd look a lot better. And I don't think our defense was #1, or even all that high, in the first 10 games last year, either.

[spectre]

I'm not really sure where we're differing. I said DJ wasn't "THE" problem...I'm just not ignoring the cause and effect of what seems to be an issue we have to compensate for. I know Jax's (and Crash's) TOs are killing us, and the D in the paint from our bigs sans Boris has been killing us.


There definitely wasn't a better option, don't get me wrong. But looking back, it seems like Sam was right that Ray isn't a true PG.

Are you basing this on Hanners' comments about last season? I imagine most any PG would have a hard time keeping Jax in line running sets...and Crash (tho willing) has really just starting learning "real" basketball. I know Bonnell's article is saying Jax is listening to DJ I don't think it's all the time.

Larry Brown thought Felton was a "true" PG. :shrug:

[teej]

Are you basing this on Hanners' comments about last season? I imagine most any PG would have a hard time keeping Jax in line running sets...and Crash (tho willing) has really just starting learning "real" basketball. I know Bonnell's article is saying Jax is listening to DJ I don't think it's all the time.

Larry Brown thought Felton was a "true" PG. :shrug:

Partially on Hanners, yes. He's a quiet guy, but when he speaks, you listen intently. But also because while Ray could make a good pass, his decision making was pedestrian at best and he was more a homeless man's Tyreke/Brandon Roy/D-Rose/D-Wade in that he was a ball-dominant, drive to the rim type guy. And we all know his hero mode.

Don't get me wrong, I love Ray and I value what he did for the team more than anyone outside Crash and Jack, but it's looking more and more like Ray is more a short, poor shooter at the shooting guard position than a floor general.

And if Larry thought he was such a true PG, how come he tried to trade him the whole first year? He grew to respect Ray's effort, but I don't think Ray would be in the top 5 LB PG's.

[ballwhore]

What has Larry Brown said about the defense?

[spectre]

Partially on Hanners, yes. He's a quiet guy, but when he speaks, you listen intently. But also because while Ray could make a good pass, his decision making was pedestrian at best and he was more a homeless man's Tyreke/Brandon Roy/D-Rose/D-Wade in that he was a ball-dominant, drive to the rim type guy. And we all know his hero mode.

Don't get me wrong, I love Ray and I value what he did for the team more than anyone outside Crash and Jack, but it's looking more and more like Ray is more a short, poor shooter at the shooting guard position than a floor general.

And if Larry thought he was such a true PG, how come he tried to trade him the whole first year? He grew to respect Ray's effort, but I don't think Ray would be in the top 5 LB PG's.

I don't want to get into a debate about Felton as he's no longer on the team, but if you want to side with the Idiot and the things he did that's up to you. Personally between him and Bernie I'm surprised LB was able to turn Felton around in just a little over a season...esp. considering he's had no post presence to speak of his whole time here.

DJ is "wonderful" now but LB included him in every trade scenario all of last year...and from a couple of rumors I've seen DJ still isn't safe if the right situation came along.

Crash was on the block plenty too, so I don't think that necessarily means anything.

[teej]

I don't want to get into a debate about Felton as he's no longer on the team, but if you want to side with the Idiot and the things he did that's up to you. Personally between him and Bernie I'm surprised LB was able to turn Felton around in just a little over a season...esp. considering he's had no post presence to speak of his whole time here.


Had your fair share of Ray debates, eh?

I'm not necessarily agreeing with the Biscuit. Just that, while it didn't make sense for that team, I can understand why he didn't want Ray running the offense. With guys like J-Rich, Crash and Mek, he already had guys who could take up possessions, he needed a creator. In no way was McInnis that creator, and like I said for that roster it made no sense to start who he did, but just that I see what he was trying (and failing) to do.

All I can say is I'm glad I was wrong about Ray/DJ, and I'm willing to eat any crow thrown my way.

[spectre]

Had your fair share of Ray debates, eh?

I'm not necessarily agreeing with the Biscuit. Just that, while it didn't make sense for that team, I can understand why he didn't want Ray running the offense. With guys like J-Rich, Crash and Mek, he already had guys who could take up possessions, he needed a creator. In no way was McInnis that creator, and like I said for that roster it made no sense to start who he did, but just that I see what he was trying (and failing) to do.

All I can say is I'm glad I was wrong about Ray/DJ, and I'm willing to eat any crow thrown my way.

Well yeah, but I just fail to see the point. Once a player leaves here he's really pretty much nonexistent to me. I haven't spent 15 minutes total thinking on Okafor, Richardson, Bell or Felton since they've been gone...and I really liked Richardson and Raja. I liked Raja 2nd only to Crash. I still wish he was here, but he ain't...so moving on.

The problem with that above group is that none of them promoted ball movement and one could argue they'd sometime get "The Black Hole Syndrome". Unless you have a Chris Paul no PG is going to run the offense smoothly with that group. That's why one of the first very major things LB did (other than make Felton his PG and draft another in DJ) was trade for it in the PHX trade.

But that's beside the point. Our PG now is DJ Augustin and I'd much rather talk about him.

[teej]

But that's beside the point. Our PG now is DJ Augustin and I'd much rather talk about him.

I can't blame you.

But I think you need to think at least a little more about them when they leave. If Crash gets traded, I'd find it hard to believe you won't keep up with him?

[BRNC]

I'm trying to be fair to Ray by pointing this out...DJ has had only one Head Coach and one system to learn since he's been here...Ray had three different Head Coach's and different systems...plus we had major player changes through all those coaching changes...most of us recognize that Ray was better defensively than DJ...but for LBs system it appears to me the biggest difference is DJ plays off the ball better than Ray...

Ray is with a new team and (again) learning a new system so he's had a tough road...I wish him the best but he's no longer here...

DJ is doing a good job right now and I hope LB will leave him to run the team this year so we all actually get a chance to evaluate this guy as our long-term PG...

[spectre]

Eh...we'll cross that bridge (Crash) if/when we get to it. He's high on my pedestal, but it's not like he's the perfect player either. Swapping him out for a Chris Paul type would certainly help the transition along for me though.

BRNC I absolutely agree that DJ is much better off the ball then Felton. I don't necessarily think that determines one way or the other who is/isn't a "true" PG and I know you're not saying that either (what the hell is a "true" PG anyway?), but it's a very good point...as well as the comparison in coaches.

I'd have probably put it more like "DJ & Felton both have had one coach, but Felton had to suffer thru two imposters posing as coaches"...but you know how that is!

[BRNC]

I've always felt you can put a good PG in a system not suited to their talents and get a bad PG...spectre my point (and I think you got it) was DJ seems better suited to LBs system...

[BlockParty]

I've always felt you can put a good PG in a system not suited to their talents and get a bad PG...spectre my point (and I think you got it) was DJ seems better suited to LBs system...

So sam vincent's coaching didn't make jeff mcinnis bad it was the fact that the NBA isn't the YMCA league?


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[BRNC]

LOL Block...you can put a "bad" PG in any system and you still get a bad PG...