Charlotte we have a d@mn problem

[ballwhore]

for some reason I get logged out everytime I try to post a long new thread....comments to follow just a sec got some news

[ballwhore]

Gerald went to Lb after the game last night complaining he is not touching the ball enough. SJax found out about it and was non to happy. An argument followed and choice words were b#thc this b#tch that. Jax then goes to DJ and tells him f that afro american we will pass it to him even less. Tyrus started flipping out at Gerald as well. So the core of this team is shaky at best.

[ballwhore]

The G.O.A.T.spoke with my father in law at length and told them DJ isn't going anywhere F Larry Brown. Confirmed til this day LB still wants to get rid of him but DJ is making his choice look real good right now; said tell him to keep being aggressive and he will have some help sooner than later he is being groomed to be the face of the franchise (see:10k appearance at home depot last week). Anyway, i'll keep you guys in the loop when I get in the loop on things. P.S. F#ck Bonnell ship his azz with Felton and LB once he leaves.

[ammofan]

Whoa.......if you are telling the truth, this is bad. Gerald or Jack need to be sent out of here quick to prevent from losing this season. Gerald didnt look happy last night after the game and he hasnt looked happy the past few games. I wouldnt be surpirised if he was dealt to DEN....Melo time?

Ballwhore, who told u this?

[ajbry]

What the hell is up with Gerald? He's still been getting touches - it's not his teammates' fault his offensive game is limited and defenses now pack the paint and draw charges against him.

Maybe Gerald should try keeping track of his man on the other end of the floor and close out on 3's and stop worrying about touches that he's not doing anything with.

I still like Crash but he's been a total no-show this season. I thought accountability was supposed to be one of his good traits? He can call out his teammates in the media but when the spotlight shines on him he absconds from it?

[ziggy]

Gerald went to Lb after the game last night complaining he is not touching the ball enough. SJax found out about it and was non to happy. An argument followed and choice words were b#thc this b#tch that. Jax then goes to DJ and tells him f that afro american we will pass it to him even less. Tyrus started flipping out at Gerald as well. So the core of this team is shaky at best.

Wow... Thanks for the info.

If things are breaking down between Jax and Crash then you are right, we have a hell of a problem.

[ballwhore]

@ ammo I might know somebody .

[ammofan]

I might know somebody inside the locker room.

*****?



And Gerald took only 10 shots last night. In comparison jack took 20, Tyrus took 20 and DJ took 13.

[ballwhore]

No my name is ballwhore i'm married to Ball let's keep it at that and move on....

[ammofan]

No my name is ballwhore i'm married to Ball let's keep it at that and move on....

haha okay.....

[Ampsportsduo]

No confirmation of the account or story, but DJ's folks were in the building last night.

[ohara831]

Something is wrong with the Thread, too. Page 2 keeps redirecting to the Into page. Anyway, this is bad news if true, and I dont doubt it at all. DJ, you are doing fine my friend. Keep ballin' as most of BCP is in your corner!

[ballwhore]

@amp dude you about to turn me into the old ballwhore..I don't need your f#cking confirmation..I said what I said and that's it..comment and move the hell on i'm not looking for anyone to confirm sh#t...ya'll don't have the access

[ziggy]

Something is wrong with the Thread, too. Page 2 keeps redirecting to the Into page. Anyway, this is bad news if true, and I dont doubt it at all. DJ, you are doing fine my friend. Keep ballin' as most of BCP is in your corner!

Fixed it, there is a weird bug that when the thread title ends in special characters like (.....), the paging gets wonky. Renamed the thread and all is good now.

[ziggy]

The G.O.A.T.spoke with my father in law at length and told them DJ isn't going anywhere F Larry Brown. Confirmed til this day LB still wants to get rid of him but DJ is making his choice look real good right now; said tell him to keep being aggressive and he will have some help sooner than later he is being groomed to be the face of the franchise (see:10k appearance at home depot last week). Anyway, i'll keep you guys in the loop when I get in the loop on things. P.S. F#ck Bonnell ship his azz with Felton and LB once he leaves.

Right now DJ is doing the things that LB wants done at the PG position: looking to pass first, valuing the ball ( damn, he is #1 in the NBA in assist/turnover ration ), being vocal. Has it just become personal with Larry and he isn't going to support DJ no matter what he does on the court?

[DY_nasty]

ballwhore is the man

DJ/Tyrus FUTURE

[ballwhore]

Straight out of Jordans mouth LB does not want DJ as his point so assumed from it what you will. I say how about some shooter that can knock down jump shotson a regular and a real athletic big man. Somethings got to give LB not staying here another year. What ya'll say? Jax or CrasH? or both? Jax 8 yrs in Crash 10 yrs in d@mn they old..

[ZackTB23]

Does D.J. have a facebook cause I got a request from him on there lol.

[ziggy]

Straight out of Jordans mouth LB does not want DJ as his point so assumed from it what you will. I say how about some shooter that can knock down jump shotson a regular and a real athletic big man. Somethings got to give LB not staying here another year. What ya'll say? Jax or CrasH? or both? Jax 8 yrs in Crash 10 yrs in d@mn they old..

Judging by their play this season, hang on to Jax and trade Crash. Plus Gerald is always just one play away from another concussion.

[ohara831]

If we do move Crash, it better be soon. Because the longer he plays and is mediocre at best, the less his value. And something is wrong with him. It is not just his attitude or lack of touches. He is just not playing like he did the first half of last season. If we wait too long, his value becomes depleted. Much the same that has happened with Iggy in Philly. His trade value is still OK, but it has dropped a good bit from 2 years ago.

[Weezy21]

wouldnt be surprised to see a melo/nene for wallace/naz/henderson trade offer from jordan even if we dont have melo signed to an extension

[ziggy]

If we do move Crash, it better be soon. Because the longer he plays and is mediocre at best, the less his value. And something is wrong with him. It is not just his attitude or lack of touches. He is just not playing like he did the first half of last season. If we wait too long, his value becomes depleted. Much the same that has happened with Iggy in Philly. His trade value is still OK, but it has dropped a good bit from 2 years ago.

Agree 100% with you Ohara.

On a side note, if this news had hit on a day where people aren't out looking at parades and stuffing themselves with turkey, I bet this thread would be 15 pages long already.

[Demon DeaCat]

I wouldn't doubt that a heated exchange took place, but I also wouldn't read too much into it. Whenever teams start losing guys start yapping at one another. It happens all the time in every sport at every level. It doesn't mean they hate each other or that they can't play with each other. Once we win a couple of games they'll be high-fiving and loving each other again.

[Ampsportsduo]

@amp dude you about to turn me into the old ballwhore..I don't need your f#cking confirmation..I said what I said and that's it..comment and move the hell on i'm not looking for anyone to confirm sh#t...ya'll don't have the access

No need for all that, but since it's the season of giving, here we go. I met them last night and they seemed like very nice people, which only makes me wonder how they bagged such a catch for a son-in-law. As far am I'm concerned your name-dropping, coat-tail-riding self should learn some manners. You want to talk about access like you did something to achieve it. You have "access" by proxy, you're the fat Kardashian. Congrats. Have a Happy Thanksgiving.

[ballwhore]

@amp so you are the one they said was drooling all over the place and asking for player's jock strap...Hey man! a head ban is fine you don't have to get so close and personal. By the way no coattail riding here im f#cking paid I just love this site it's the best so I post on this maF3cka...You f#cking wonder but I get the info regardless of my position it trumps yours in this scenario...B#tch! I'm good(locker room quote)....Run tell that,....Turkey's don't eat turkey so I guess you starve today. By the way i'll be there for x-mas would love to meet you.:paddle:

[Scottley Crue]

wouldnt be surprised to see a melo/nene for wallace/naz/henderson trade offer from jordan even if we dont have melo signed to an extension

Though I'd like to have Melo signed up, I could live with that...especially getting a center like Nene. As much as I love what Crash has done, it's easier to find good wings than good centers. There is something very off with Crash. I can't count the number of times I've seen him very slow to get up to go back and play defense; not the Crash I'm used to seeing.

While I don't have an issue with Crash feeling like he needs more opportunities to try to help the offense, the only argument would be that he's racking up offensive fouls and blowing layups left and right, so I understand why there's not a rush to get him the ball. All that said, this isn't unusual for struggling teams to have this infighting. It can be productive at times as well. Hopefully, this will do the same.

[DY_nasty]

Am I missing something? Why do so many people hate ballwhore lol

It was the same thing in the offeseason and the season before

[ammofan]

Am I missing something? Why do so many people hate ballwhore lol

It was the same thing in the offeseason and the season before

Who knows. I have been here as long or longer than anyone on this site and I have never had a problem with him. I am THANKFUL(Its Thanksgiving so why not?) for the info Ballwhore can give us.

[Weezy21]

Am I missing something? Why do so many people hate ballwhore lol

It was the same thing in the offeseason and the season before

Exactly...if it wasnt for him we wouldnt have this insight

[Robertpel9]

Probably means nothing but i did notice at the pregame shootaround last night that Jax and GW were not doin their usual around the arc three pt contest together and were on sperate parts of the court

I posted another thread last night disucss Crash being our only real trade chip that needs to be executed if we are to be anything other than medicre for the next half decade

[teej]

Kinda goes with what we've seen on court. I don't know what happened in Dallas, but ever since Crash played in the ASG he's been a prima-donna at best. Jack carried this team post ASG last year and so far he and DJ have this year.

At this point I wouldn't be so hesitant to trade Crash. A week is not a trend, but a month starts to be.

Thanks for the info BW.

[Absinthe]

Carmelo does not want to come here. Period. Some of you are living in la-la land. I honestly think he has a better shot of resigning with Denver than coming to Charlotte (here's a hint: a very minute chance). I still think he's going to end up in New Jersey somehow.

I've been saying all season that either Jax or Crash has to go. They make one another redundant. The Heat are having the exact same problem with Lebron and Wade.

I'd be fine with moving Gerald Wallace OR Jackson, Diaw, and Mohammed in some sort of trade. I've got to say that I've really been impressed by Tyrus Thomas this year. Also, if that argument really happened, Gerald Henderson has every right to bitch.

[GoBobs]

The answer here is simple. Stephen Jackson needs to GTFO in a trade. If he is taking 20 shots and Thomas is taking 20 and Gerald is only taking 10 then, yes there is a problem and I am glad Gerald is saying something about it.

4-10 is almost 50%. 7-20 is I killed my team tonight with chucking but that didn't stop me from letting it fly. For the second night in a row.

At least Thomas has made 11 of his 20. Thomas for the year is over 50%. Wallace is at about 46%. Jackson is at 43%. It should be obvious who should shot the most and who needs to be traded if there aren't enough balls to go around.

[teej]

The answer here is simple. Stephen Jackson needs to GTFO in a trade. If he is taking 20 shots and Thomas is taking 20 and Gerald is only taking 10 then, yes there is a problem and I am glad Gerald is saying something about it.

4-10 is almost 50%. 7-20 is I killed my team tonight with chucking but that didn't stop me from letting it fly. For the second night in a row.

At least Thomas has made 11 of his 20. Thomas for the year is over 50%. Wallace is at about 46%. Jackson is at 43%. It should be obvious who should shot the most and who needs to be traded if there aren't enough balls to go around.

Wallace's percantage doesn't take into account the tons of charges on shots he would've taken, and even then that 3% isn't much seeing as how Jack leads the NBA in 3pm.

[Ghost Kat]

Dont over do it.....This is a story without legs. Just like Lt. Dan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6c1HWWspGo

[Chef]

it shouldn't be news that wallace has had it with jax. it is easy to see on the court. crash isn't playing bad he just can't get into the flow of the game with the ball going to jax all the time. the games where jax is in foul trouble or isn't playing well and cools off with the shots crash puts up last years numbers. with that said, both need to go. jax for locker room reasons and crash because it is time for him to get with a contender while he has value. here are my suggestions.

jax to orlando in a three way that gets us back gortat or jax to any team that gets us back expirings plus a pick or young talent

crash to denver for melo either straight up or in a three team. melo WILL NOT resign but that gets us a playoff spot this year. at the end of the year we trade melo to the knicks (he will extend) we get the gallo, curry, pick, wilson chandler package.

total rebuild in less than two years.

oh yeah, good posting ballwhore. your's are the posts i always make sure to read.

[Proudiddy]

Thanks for the info bw... Not surprising. Something has been amiss with this team since the season started.

From what I've noticed in games, I realized long ago that Crash's best chances to score are in the open court in an uptempo style, and he hasn't been getting open on the break so his scoring is down. Additionally, when he does get the ball, he's f'ing up - turnovers, misses, etc. DJ hit him with a DIME in the first NY game the other night and Crash f'ed it up by missing the dunk. HE MISSED A DUNK.

Something isn't right with him, and I do believe that he and Jack can't coexist anymore. GW hasn't been right since becoming an all-star, and Jack got all the love down the stretch. We need to make a change.

And I co-sign about Bonnell. What team's beat writer does "cover" stories on ex-players two nights in a row on a back to back? While his replacement at the same position is having a MUCH better season... He needs to get off Felton's nuts and let NY media worry about him. We need to lock DJ up long term ASAP and trade Diaw, Jack, or Crash.

[Absinthe]

The Bobcats won't be able to trade Jackson. No one is interested. A lot of GMs view him as a problem player because of how he treated Golden State and because of the brawl in Indiana.

One of the few movable assets the Bobcats have is Gerald Wallace. They either move him or this team continues to feud and be at each others' throats. Oh, and Gerald Wallace's value is plummeting right now.

[BlockParty]

This a tale of two years:

Last year, Raymond and GW were the locker room leaders, GW had a great first half of the season and benefited some from Jack's presence, but really he benefited from the limited production out of Chandler and the less than stellar rebounding from Diaw (GW's rebounding numbers are what stood out last season (FT % helped a little) in getting him into the All-star game). Ray is gone, Jack is not exactly the same type of leader as Ray, and GW may have a problem sharing the spotlight. Last year GW was also LB's 'project', LB loved how good of a student GW was, this season Ttime is the new project and based on how he's played so far...the project is working out rather nicely.

Last season Jack was just happy to get out of Golden State and was thrilled to help be a part of the Bobcats first ever playoff run which ended rather melo-dramactically as Orlando sweep the Cats as our PG position was dominated in every game. This season, I wonder if Jack doesn't feel like he's appreciated enough. I truly believe if any rostered player on the team deserves credit for how well DJ has started this season (besides DJ himself) it's Jack. I still wonder if Jack played a little reckless in his passing game so DJ could see that everyone makes bad passes. I just wish Jack would realize DJ is fine and get his head cleared up.

The new season brought more expectations from the fan base and probably also from the players, I'm sure they were surprised that the dust chip didn't amount to anything more than Livingston, no Luxury tax and some additional wiggle room under the LT. Remember back to the media day interview with Larry when it seemed his best friend just died, he was so depressed with what little movement occured with the roster (in his mind change is better than no change, even if it doesn't make the team better).

The 2nd NY game, it seemed like every Turnover hurt us by at least 2 points...sometimes 4 points, I think there was 6-7 times that one of the Cats was at in the lane in 3-5 foot range and actually tried to pass to a teammate, a turnover ensued and in my mind, that cost us 2 points even if NY didn't convert at the other end. That doesn't include the 11 shots that were blocked of ours (5 of which were Jack's).

What's most frustrating to me as a fan is our two 'best' players are easily the two players that are underperforming from what our expectations are of the team heading into this season. I'd say the DJ, Ttime, Boris, UPS and Livingston have probably all performed above expecations. Nazr, GW and Jack have under performed and the balance of the roster hasn't done anything impressive enough to mention.

The good news is...the two players that have the best talent and experience, are the two guys that need to step up their game, which could very easily 'right the ship' and send the Cats on a strong December performance.

[eleaf14]

It has been pretty obvious that the chemistry is off between Jack and Gerald, but I am not quite ready to blow things up. I think a few more weeks will be a better time frame. As stated earlier winning can easily right the ship. This squad is not far off from getting to the 8 spot. Had we won last night or Tuesday...we would be back at the 8. String a couple together...and were back in business.

But if we cant string some W's together by mid December...I would say it is time to pull some triggers.

If its between Jack and Gerald...I am not sure why Jax is getting the pass on this one. I for one put the start to the season in his lap. Last year he was the difference in us winning the games we needed to win. This year I feel like his turnovers, bad shot selection and ref berating (he's starting to get as annoying as D. Howard in that he never fouls or always is fouled) are the difference in us losing the games we should be winning. I know people will reference the Pheonix game...but for that I will counter with most of this seasons losses. Jax has sucked it hard in our losses. Its my opinion, but this has been and should be Gerald's team.

Just curious...Is it because the perception is he isnt wanted by other teams and fans feel stuck with him? It was well noted that San Antonio made some inquiry's over the summer, and if Pop is willing to take that risk with the players they have...than I would guess there are options out there.

[BETCATS]

Who knows. I have been here as long or longer than anyone on this site and I have never had a problem with him. I am THANKFUL(Its Thanksgiving so why not?) for the info Ballwhore can give us.

I remember why; he had like 3 threads where he 'predicted' things. It started with the Richardson to the Suns trade which people kept saying was posted on another site before he said it. Then their were 2 other trades he got wrong and he put his credibility on the line or something like that and nothing happened.

But it appears he has some legit connection to DJ or the greatest imagination ever. Either way he makes stuff interesting. I will say that if Gerald and Jackson are beefing, and Thomas is on Jackson's side the lockerroom could very easily become a toxic place. Wallace is the franchise player and this seems like a coup d'etant by Jackson/Thomas IF IT IS TRUE. Felton is gone now; who is a good player that is on Wallace's side? If he is isolated in the lockerroom it could explain the bad numbers.

Or this could all be a lie/misunderstanding/over exaggeration.

[ajbry]

I'm just curious why some of you still make the point to say this is Gerald's team or he's the franchise player.

Since when?

[DY_nasty]

I'm just curious why some of you still make the point to say this is Gerald's team or he's the franchise player.

Since when?
First all-star and all that I guess... Dude's been around forever, but to be honest I'd much rather see him go now then wait another year and watch him embarrass himself like Jake Delhomme.

And ballwhore's been pretty dead on when it comes to trades from what I remember. Even the DJ/TJ trade that fell through. He's been more reliable than a little bit. Definitely better than the crapfest over the summer over an offer that we made for Carmelo and Chris Paul.

[teej]

As far as who's locker room it is, I think the guys see Crash as sort of LB's mouthpiece, and they resent that. With TT goes DJ (they're best friends) and I highly doubt Boris cares, so all Crash has is Nazr.

I sort of expected Crash's numbers to go down because he lost Ray, but he's played poorly, and for the guy who always said he didn't care about the numbers, he sure is bitching a lot.

Jack's numbers are down because he's being forced to do almost everything on his own, until Crash gets his head out of his ass.

[LiquidWayno]

WOW. I'm just shocked. Can't believe that words I'm hearing directed at Crash! I'm too much of a GW mark to give an objective view in this fight. Let's wait a few weeks before demolishing this team at least. Even with his value down a bit, Crash would be LOVED by other teams who are a player away from a championship or a player away from the playoffs.

[-Ian-]

I'm not actually surprised that there is a problem inside the Bobcats' locker room. It shows in the game particularly in the body language of the players. But I'm surprised that Jack hurled some invectives towards Crash. And I also don't get why Gerald is bitching about him not getting enough touches. It's just him that can't finish around the rim. So why would his team mates pass to him if it'll just result to a turnover / offensive foul.


I don't like that Jack seem wanting to gang up Crash – Stephen, DJ and Tyrus all against Gerald? What the fuck is their problem? If this is indeed happening, we might as well blow the team up or ship either one of Jack and Crash out. But I'd prefer to trade Jack even though he carried the team to the playoffs last season. I just can't stand how he's bitching every single time he doesn't get a whistle for a foul and how he kills our offense almost every possession.


On the other hand, I'm elated to know that MJ got DJ's back. Coach LB praises DJ these past few games somehow, but is still trying to get rid of him? DJ is the lone bright spot for this team so far and is proving every doubter wrong. He's doing what the coach wants – respecting the ball, creating shots for his team mates and driving inside the paint (although this worries me a little bit because he seems to crash on the floor often and it might take a toll on his body later in his career). Maybe the coach hasn't gotten over the loss of Felton up until now so that's why.

[DY_nasty]

LB clearly hasn't got over Felton yet.

[ziggy]

LB clearly hasn't got over Felton yet.

LB needs to man up and let it go. If he acts like this with Ray, imagine how he would behave if someone like CP3 ( for the sake of discussion ) left the team.

They'd have to put him on suicide watch.

[Fred Williamson]

MJ and Rod need to blow it up already and fire that old clown and trade everyone.

[Toocool]

Serious problem if LB is still loving Felton. Sure Felton did everything LB asked of him out on that court, but he's in the past. DJ is at the reigns now and doing a DAMN GOOD job at it. He's being extremely efficient, now up to 5 assists per TO. That is amazing. Not to mention he's defending every play and trying to rebound and box out. Dammit LB...dammit.

As for this whole situation with Crash and Cpt Jack, seems pretty screwed up if what Ballwhore says is true. I don't believe everything he says, however I do take into account the possibility of what he says being true. With that said, this team will blow up unless one of them gets traded, and it'll be Crash. If Crash goes, I wonder if LB would quit right then and there.

[Chef]

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Wallace is the franchise player and this seems like a coup d'etant by Jackson/Thomas IF IT IS TRUE. Felton is gone now; who is a good player that is on Wallace's side?.

who ever could have seen TT and Jax causing problems?

[ajbry]

who ever could have seen TT and Jax causing problems?

Wasn't Gerald the one who initiated the discord? He's the guy who complained about touches and hasn't been sticking around for media members, while other teammates have.

[110oldeast]

eleaf, I will do you one better. It's not a change from last year. Last year, when we beat good teams, it was due to Jack, Crash, and Felton all playing well. The coverage would lead you to believe that it was simply Crash and Jack or Jack alone that got us to the playoffs and it was wrong then and is showing up now. And regardless of whether folks want to acknowledge it now, Felton made as many late game plays, shots, etc. in games as Jack. We have had plenty of close games this year, that we aren't closing out. The thing is that Jack has such an Alpha Male presence that Charlotteans are enamored with. He says cute things like "I make love to pressure" and folks get googly eyes and buy it without thinking to themselves, what are all these pressure filled situations that he closed in? He is a very good player, but not nearly the star he has sold this city on him being.

Last year, he shot terribly at high volume and turned it over at a high volume, coming up small in the 3 competitive games against Orlando and was given a pass as the pg was scapegoated. I said then, the issue with the pg's play was that he deferred too much to Jack and was not assertive enough, and his assertive play was a key component to the team making the playoffs. I also said last year that the team was at its best when BOTH pgs (Raymond and DJ at the time) ran the offense assertively and allowed the wings to complete more plays and not have them doing too much as both have games that can produce high amounts of TOs.

Well the scapegoated pg is gone and the story remains the same. The team needs DJ to be more assertive down the stretch, as he actually gets the most calls on the team when he goes to the hoop and has as much a chance of being successful as Jack does. Jackson is a strong 3rd or at best 2nd option (San Antonio and Golden State when they were successful), but is not THE guy you want leading your team. When he's on, he will be all into the game. But when he goes into the tank, he goes into the tank. That said, Crash is also a strong complimentary piece. The problem is that folks built them up like Wade and Lebron last year and figured that as long as we had them, we wouldn't miss a beat.

I said it last year and will again. This team is weak on the wings from a 3 pt shooting standpoint (hurts it in the halfcourt) and would be better suited in transition (where many of DJ's assists come). In the halfcourt, Jack and Gerald can make 3s, but have such slow releases that it's easy for teams to help and recover on us in the halfcourt and is why our offense is so bogged down as we play one on one iso ball. DJ needs to orchestrate more, even if it means his TOs go up some more as the ball sticks to Jack's hands too much. DJ's A/T ratio is a double-edged sword as it is terrific that he is taking such strong care of the ball. Conversely, when your team is on the bottom 3 of TOs, maybe you need to take the ball and do more with it and get it out of the hands of the guy that are turning it over so much.

It's similar to the playoffs when Felton only had 6 total TOs in the series. His 3.5/1 a/t ratio and 1.5 TO/g didn't mean he was orchestrating the offense strongly, as Jack was turning it over over 4 times a game. The team would have been better with him being more assertive and going at Nelson in the halfcourt even if it meant some more TOs for him individually. This year, I think that DJ being more assertive and cutting back Jack's TOs could be helpful to the team and to Jack and Crash. Outside of that, getting in transition more would help some of this.

Ultimately, I sincerely hope it's inaccurate as there is so much effed up about it that it equals serious issues. I would fill better about 2 guys swinging on each other than guys fighting over shots and one pairing up with the pg and saying "let's throw the ball to that ***** even less."




If its between Jack and Gerald...I am not sure why Jax is getting the pass on this one. I for one put the start to the season in his lap. Last year he was the difference in us winning the games we needed to win. This year I feel like his turnovers, bad shot selection and ref berating (he's starting to get as annoying as D. Howard in that he never fouls or always is fouled) are the difference in us losing the games we should be winning. I know people will reference the Pheonix game...but for that I will counter with most of this seasons losses. Jax has sucked it hard in our losses.

[Keetch]

I don't see any problem with a player going to his coach to talk about his role on the team. I see a big problem though with another player calling him out for it with the anger and cruel language Jax allegedly used. That's immature and can turn violent.

I didn't realize how much the power dynamics of the team would change with Ray leaving. So now it appears Wallace is being subordinated by his teammates. It'll be interesting to see how that goes for sure.

If Jack is now the alpha dog woofing for this team; well that can't be a good thing.

Time for the true alpha dogs to step up and handle this. That's MJ and LB. To me, Jax was a short order ticket to the playoffs last year. Nice Jax is gone now though and the Bobcats can't lose him fast enough for me.

As for DJ; agreed he's playing remarkably well. I'm pretty amazed and happily so. But there's something missing here. Does this guy ever smile? Is he having any fun at all? Is his relationship with Brown so bad that he can't enjoy the great work he's doing? What's going on with DJ?

Funny. I just don't think of pro basketball teams in street terms. I think of college teams like Carolina and Duke and Kansas and strong coaches leading maturing men to be pros. Looks like the Bobcats have reverted to AAU rules.

[ballwhore]

@toocool.You really for one minute thinkk I would sit back and concock a story. Ziggy doesn't pay well at all so what do I gain. Anyway, TT and DJ are not friends Diop is DJ best friend on the team. Tyrus is a head case from what I hear. Also, DJ is not riding with any side of the beef he just wants to win no matter who is out there if they are open he wil be passing the ball. Holla!

[teej]

Anyway, TT and DJ are not friends Diop is DJ best friend on the team.

So all that Louisiana stuff from last season and their apparent chemistry was bullshit?

And to be fair, I think everyone likes Gana. He just sucks.

[Ghost Kat]

Ziggy doesn't pay well at all so what do I gain.

Ziggy pays per post?
:whenpigsfly:

[ballwhore]

LMAO...I got to post more. Cut the check Zig..No Louisana connection Tee J at all.

[ammofan]

Awesome ballwhore! Please post more!

[teej]

No Louisana connection Tee J at all.

Gotcha.

Semi-related, when Crash is shooting 5-20 and taking those terrible long two's, he has no right to bitch. And just watching, both DJ and Jack gave him the ball, too much even.

[-Ian-]

Anyway, TT and DJ are not friends Diop is DJ best friend on the team.
This is soooo nice to hear/read. :D

[Toocool]

@toocool.You really for one minute thinkk I would sit back and concock a story. Ziggy doesn't pay well at all so what do I gain. Anyway, TT and DJ are not friends Diop is DJ best friend on the team. Tyrus is a head case from what I hear. Also, DJ is not riding with any side of the beef he just wants to win no matter who is out there if they are open he wil be passing the ball. Holla!

Haha nah mate. Never would dream of thinking that you would do that.

[teej]

Diop is DJ best friend on the team.

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Kinda awkward to look at, though.

[-Ian-]

^- LOL at the file name of the picture.

[teej]

^- LOL at the file name of the picture.

I've got a lot more, all from the Gala. Soul Men is from the movie with Bernie Mac and Sam Jackson, the rest should be self-explanatory.


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[spectre]

Gotcha.

Semi-related, when Crash is shooting 5-20 and taking those terrible long two's, he has no right to bitch. And just watching, both DJ and Jack gave him the ball, too much even.

...and he and Jax were high fiving each other after made plays too.

I'm not saying there wasn't some words nor that there wasn't any anger; we've been dropping games we should have won and that always causes issues. I do think that whatever words that might have been said have been blown all out of proportion.

Shame on y'all for jumping on the "get rid of Crash" bandwagon over this rumor. Sure he's had a rough start this season and he's struggling...but he ALWAYS starts slow.

[teej]

Shame on y'all for jumping on the "get rid of Crash" bandwagon over this rumor. Sure he's had a rough start this season and he's struggling...but he ALWAYS starts slow.

There's a difference between starting slow and not playing the "right way." Unless MJ or LB specifically told him to take those horrid jumpers, then he has no excuse. I can forgive a missed dunk or two, because that means he's driving, but there's no reason for him to be taking J's like he's Carmelo. Barry was all over that on the ESPN broadcast.

[Proudiddy]

I was so happy to finally to be able to watch my Bobcats on TV last night, only to fall asleep late in the 2nd, wake up and heard a bunch of noise as we were leading in the 3rd and then knocked out for the rest of the night.

At the beginning of the game though, I did focus on watching the players reactions and body language towards each other. For instance, Jack threw a skip pass toward Crash in the 1st I believe, and Crash looked like he hardly jumped to get it and it went out of bounds. Jack put his head down and walked in a kind of "you coulda got that, I'm tired of this sh*t" way. Like he was giving it to Crash because he complained, but Crash isn't doing his part.

I saw a few other instances, but the main thing is, we got the win. Yes, we need any and all internal problems resolved but, if we're able to find ways to win despite those problems, then it hasn't affected chemistry terribly bad.

Also, to the TT and DJ thing, ballwhore already said they weren't friends, and to support that, if I'm not mistaken last year, after we got TT wasn't there some kind of spat during practice between DJ and TT? IIRC, DJ yelled at TT for not going all out or something, and said something along the lines of "we know you don't wanna be hear anyway." But again, as long as those personal scraps aren't affecting their interactions on the court it doesn't matter.

[spectre]

There's a difference between starting slow and not playing the "right way." Unless MJ or LB specifically told him to take those horrid jumpers, then he has no excuse. I can forgive a missed dunk or two, because that means he's driving, but there's no reason for him to be taking J's like he's Carmelo. Barry was all over that on the ESPN broadcast.

Did you watch LB's after game interview? According to him and Crash the coaching staff is telling him to shoot.

"What have you done for me lately?". :(

[spectre]

I was so happy to finally to be able to watch my Bobcats on TV last night, only to fall asleep late in the 2nd, wake up and heard a bunch of noise as we were leading in the 3rd and then knocked out for the rest of the night.

At the beginning of the game though, I did focus on watching the players reactions and body language towards each other. For instance, Jack threw a skip pass toward Crash in the 1st I believe, and Crash looked like he hardly jumped to get it and it went out of bounds. Jack put his head down and walked in a kind of "you coulda got that, I'm tired of this sh*t" way. Like he was giving it to Crash because he complained, but Crash isn't doing his part.

I saw a few other instances, but the main thing is, we got the win. Yes, we need any and all internal problems resolved but, if we're able to find ways to win despite those problems, then it hasn't affected chemistry terribly bad.




Jack put his head down and walked in a kind of "you coulda got that, I'm tired of this sh*t" way. Like he was giving it to Crash because he complained, but Crash isn't doing his part.

Talking about making a reach...:facepalm:

Guess you missed the high five and both making a point to go to each other after the alley from Jax to Crash eh?

I saw them talking a few times after plays and none looked heated...but maybe most of those happened while you were asleep?

[ziggy]

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Kinda awkward to look at, though.

When I saw that picture, this was the first thing that popped into my mind.

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w301/bobcatsplanet/hqdefault.jpg

Young Frankenstein for those unaware.

[BlockParty]

I was at the game early and they both spent 30 minutes taking extra shooting practice (GW's shot was off, and that carried over into the game). They were joking around then, they signed autographed for a few minutes after that (shoulder to shoulder).

On the bench in the first half when GW's shot was off (which was basically the entire month of November), he was sitting at the end of the bench right next to MJ getting encouragement, on the other side of GW was Jack, then DJ...Jack had his arm around him speaking words of encouragement based off of GW's reaction.

I don't doubt words were exchanged Wednesday night, heck all the fans were frustrated after the NY games, however, they both understand that in order to accomplish what they want, they need each other playing at their highest level.

[dnbman]

I haven't paid enough attention to know what's going on and certainly don't have locker room access. However, Golic of Mike & Mike has frequently mentioned how locker rooms can get very heated and then everybody is peaches and cream later. You have that many guys pumped up to play and caring about winning and someone is bound to go off the deep end. I'm not making too much of it, except for one issue that will gnaw at the Bobcats all season.

Last year it was the us-against-the-world mentality combined with low expectations from the media at large. However, now, while media has written them off, they have much higher expectations to make the playoffs. I imagine it's not as fun this season as last year, especially since just making the playoffs wouldn't be as significant. Now they have to worry about being productive in the playoffs when they're already struggling to be productive in the regular season.

[TheDorkLord]

I agree with BlockParty. I was at the game early last night. (Took my nephew to his very first live NBA game - that was great, but he was too shy to have the Ladycats autograph his calendar :) ) Anyway, I looked for signs of friction between Crash and Captain Jack but didn't really notice anything. The only stress I noticed was when Crash took those open jumpers that wouldn't go down. That was getting painful to watch.


I was at the game early and they both spent 30 minutes taking extra shooting practice (GW's shot was off, and that carried over into the game). They were joking around then, they signed autographed for a few minutes after that (shoulder to shoulder).

On the bench in the first half when GW's shot was off (which was basically the entire month of November), he was sitting at the end of the bench right next to MJ getting encouragement, on the other side of GW was Jack, then DJ...Jack had his arm around him speaking words of encouragement based off of GW's reaction.

I don't doubt words were exchanged Wednesday night, heck all the fans were frustrated after the NY games, however, they both understand that in order to accomplish what they want, they need each other playing at their highest level.

[teej]

Did you watch LB's after game interview? According to him and Crash the coaching staff is telling him to shoot.

"What have you done for me lately?". :(

No, I wasn't able to. Wonders of hydrocodone, since it was up at like midnight.

And that's some real hall-of-fame coaching right there...ugh.

[ziggy]

Teej, Just wanted to let you know that I've been laughing for the past 2 hours at this picture you posted.

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w301/bobcatsplanet/attachment-2.jpg

Now I can't get this song out of my head

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH2nQHPs4aA

[SWedd523]

Just so we're clear, the elbow extended jumper for Crash is a play that LB likes to call for him this year. He's not taking that shot because he wants to, he's taking it because he's supposed to. It's a great play if he was more consistent because he's open just about every time he takes it.

[teej]

Just so we're clear, the elbow extended jumper for Crash is a play that LB likes to call for him this year. He's not taking that shot because he wants to, he's taking it because he's supposed to. It's a great play if he was more consistent because he's open just about every time he takes it.

Yes, except he's open for a very clear reason.

Honestly, LB making Crash shoot that is reminiscent of the Biscuit parking him the in the corner and jack up threes, even though he was putting them in at a 25% clip...

[SWedd523]

Except that he's shooting 58% on jump shots and, more specifically, 43% on mid-long range jumpers (which is the highest of his career) while also shooting 55% at the rim (the lowest of his career)

[teej]

Except that he's shooting 58% on jump shots and, more specifically, 43% on mid-long range jumpers (which is the highest of his career) while also shooting 55% at the rim (the lowest of his career)

What site is that from?

On 82games and basketball reference, there's a few worrisome stats. First, 60% of his shots are jumpers. Now, a few is more than fine, but that's not his game, and when the majority of your shots are the opposite of what you're good at, that's a pretty bad sign. Also, 35% of his shots come within 10 seconds on the shot clock. What happened to LB preaching the extra pass? So far, he has the lowest PER he's had since 04-05, his true shooting % is the second lowest since then and his eFG% is the lowest since then. His turnover rate is also the highest since 04-05, and his DRTG is the second worst of his career. His win shares are the second worst since 04-05 and his steal percentage is the lowest of his career.

Poor start? Maybe. But I don't like the trends...

[SWedd523]

How do you go from his shooting % to all of that other mess?


I'll repeat: he's shooting 58% on jumpshots in general (which is phenomenal, from 82games) and 43% on mid-long range jumpers (the highest of his career, from hoopdata). Never thought I'd hear people complain about above 50% shooting.....



He's shooting a higher % on jumpers than he is on shots at the rim. His jumper isn't the issue here.

[TheBeagle]

Good intel once again, ballwhore! What I'm surprised by is that some of you are surprised by this news. Not pulling a "told you so", but I saw images of this happening this summer (poor off-season, reluctant coach, poor start leading to locker room issues), and since Jack and GW are the two headline members of the team, it's natural they'd be at the fore of this.

Being in an anesthetized haze in the hospital most of the week, I got no clue what went down with the Knicks other than two poor played games leading to losses, but apparently it led to the first salvo fired in the Bobcats revolt. I hate that GW is being led astray by Larry and thus being the black sheep of the locker room, but I guess it was necessary in order for change to occur. I'm actually okay with Jack taking up an argument with GW, but Tyrus needs to shut up...just play hard like you have been and shut up...opening your mouth has never been a strong suit.

My mind is starting go go and I can't remember where I was going with this but yes, the Cats do have problems, but it's good they're finally being vocalised and not left festering...that is what wsa most irritating to me, the idea they were sitting back in the locker room, listening to music, laughing, etc. It's good to know they are pissed if even it's with each other at times...it'll at least lead to results whether it be on the court or with roster/coach changes which are obviously needed in the big picture.

Kudos to the Boris Renaissance and DJ continuing to come of age at the 1! There are SOME bright spots after all.

[Chef]

Yes, except he's open for a very clear reason.

Honestly, LB making Crash shoot that is reminiscent of the Biscuit parking him the in the corner and jack up threes, even though he was putting them in at a 25% clip...

maybe larry is trying to force crash to extend his career. he has clearly lost some explosiveness and gets a very high percentage of his inside shots blocked. plus, as much contact as he takes if he could get a better mid range jumper he could play for another 7 or 8 years.

[ballwhore]

Is anyone on here aware of Jordans half time speech? It was quite telling to me that LB would say on national TV the owner yelled at the team and they listen to MJ beter than him and that he also doesn't enjoy the games only practice and teaching. LB needs to becomae a f#cking instructor and leave coaching. Didn't get to much info i'm sure i will later but the little I got is LB bitching DJ out more than ever saying they are winning inspiteof him not because just totally no respect for anyting he brings to the table. HE said Jordan pulled him to the side and wasn't thrilled about GW and Jack ball hogging and Lary Browns choice of rotation and plays didn't get the rest they left for milwaukee right after the game i'll update tomorrow.

[Chef]

Is anyone on here aware of Jordans half time speech? It was quite telling to me that LB would say on national TV the owner yelled at the team and they listen to MJ beter than him and that he also doesn't enjoy the games only practice and teaching. LB needs to becomae a f#cking instructor and leave coaching. Didn't get to much info i'm sure i will later but the little I got is LB bitching DJ out more than ever saying they are winning inspiteof him not because just totally no respect for anyting he brings to the table. HE said Jordan pulled him to the side and wasn't thrilled about GW and Jack ball hogging and Lary Browns choice of rotation and plays didn't get the rest they left for milwaukee right after the game i'll update tomorrow.

what game was larry watching. dj has been super efficient the last 7 or 8 games. he is the glue that holds the offense together. i am pretty sure i was DEAD WRONG about dj when i said he will be jason terry 2.0. i will gladly eat a supersized helping of crow with my leftover thanksgiving sandwich. with a team that could actually score in the post on the first shot and/or perimeter players who could knock down open shots dj would easily avg 11 assists a game. he has also figured out when to drive and how to not get blocked all the time. LB is publicly trying to get jordan to either fire or deal him. at this point, i would call philly for a trade of LB for a protected first in 2years (usually when lb gets a team to the playoffs). i would also trade gw and jax. gw now and jax at the deadline to a desperate contender.

i would definitely take a 1 year rental on melo then trade him to nyk for gallo, chandler, curry and pick(s).

[teej]

Is anyone on here aware of Jordans half time speech? It was quite telling to me that LB would say on national TV the owner yelled at the team and they listen to MJ beter than him and that he also doesn't enjoy the games only practice and teaching. LB needs to becomae a f#cking instructor and leave coaching. Didn't get to much info i'm sure i will later but the little I got is LB bitching DJ out more than ever saying they are winning inspiteof him not because just totally no respect for anyting he brings to the table. HE said Jordan pulled him to the side and wasn't thrilled about GW and Jack ball hogging and Lary Browns choice of rotation and plays didn't get the rest they left for milwaukee right after the game i'll update tomorrow.

Thanks for posting, I really appreciate it. And totally agreed on LB, he's like a condom. Good the first time, but if you use him too long it's dangerous and no one likes the results.

[ballwhore]

Yeah Mj not feeling LB is the conclusion im coming too and LB not feeling Charlotte at all anymore. Why even bring up what happens behind close doors at half time. I was never a LB fan he never leaves anything better than when he came sh#t is always left messed up. He won in Detroit with a team already together fresh off an final appearance. But I got to give him at least some props for the Philly finals (But the answer was the d@mn answer back then)

[BlockParty]

The following video (after the Houston victory when GW was 5-20) you can gets some bits of information about why GW is being told to shoot more jumpers by LB. Specifically he wants to keep GW on the floor, not in the training room. Starting at the 1:30 mark, GW talk about how his recent poor shooting has lead to more charges because he gets frustrated and feels like he needs to take the ball to the hoop. And again at 2:05 where developing a more consistent jumpshot will keep in in the league longer.


http://www.nba.com/bobcats/video/2010/11/26/101126geraldwallace-1478946/index.html

Larry's comments on MJ's impact, starting at the 3:00 mark:

http://www.nba.com/bobcats/video/2010/11/26/101126larrybrown01-1478947/index.html

Jack's comments (or lack of comments) about MJ, even mentioning MJ was at the shootaround earlier in the day (at the 0:28 second mark)

http://www.nba.com/bobcats/video/2010/11/26/101126stephenjackson-1478945/index.html

[BlockParty]

Caption This Pic:

With the recent stresses of a 2 game losing streak to the Knicks...relieve some stress with your comments on what is being said/thought in this picture.

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0d4laEM60D96r/610x.jpg

[teej]

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0d4laEM60D96r/610x.jpg

Guy off camera: "Larry said he loves you, DJ!"

[BlockParty]

http://www.superlame.com/pictures/mySuperLamePic_9d23802e662ef4ca733e6454a2c7ec99.jp g

[teej]

New photoshop opportunity (ammofan?):

Boris Diaw riding a Segway in a Bobcats thong...

[TheBeagle]

Yeah Mj not feeling LB is the conclusion im coming too and LB not feeling Charlotte at all anymore. The latter's been the case since late last season back when he was intimating that his wife wanted him to come home and he had that press conference asssuring everyone he'd be there as long as Michael would have him...typical Larry...

The former is what I didn't understand back in the summer when he basically refused to let Larry out of his contract and still don't understand. Larry is a great quick fix coach, fantastic even; but when he takes the Bobcats to the playofffs, the job's done, nothing more to accomplish in his eyes, so why not let him walk, MJ? I love that he's standing up to him, butting heads with him, even pissing him off (all things we knew would happen eventually, Carolina ties be damned), but if he'd just let him go, some if not most all of this turmoil wouldn't even exist, and we could be moving on to the next phase of Bobcats basketball. Instead we have what we have.

Still dumb enough to think Larry walks before the end of the year which I predicted in the summer, but then again I can see him being as stubborn as MJ and stay until the end of the season, or MJ fires him. For the franchise's sake, the sooner the better.

[ammofan]

New photoshop opportunity (ammofan?):

Boris Diaw riding a Segway in a Bobcats thong...

LMAO.....maybe..... but I think some things are best kept in imagination

[teej]

LMAO.....maybe..... but I think some things are best kept in imagination

Haha from the front, not the back!

[mrfargo]

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not a g-string but funny none the less

[teej]

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not a g-string but funny none the less

+1. that's great! I needed that after this debacle.

[ziggy]

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not a g-string but funny none the less

Thats classic!

[mrfargo]

I had to do something to get you guys smiling!

[dav7z]

Lots of crap going on . Im back so this is just what im seeing on TV nothing live . Ballwhore is right about a problem thet needs to be fixed and quick . The season is about to turn to shit quickly , After two loses to NY , a win because of a pissed off MJ telling the team to play defence and get thair shit toghter . Then another lose to the Bucks who only filded two starters. And let thair scrubs kick our ass . Things has got to be bad behind the seans.

I NOTICE most hear are quick to blame Crash. But Ballwhore its two sides to ever story. Crash don't seem or has never had a problem geting along with his team mates. JAX has , Acording to you DJ hates LB and is in the middle of all this shit . As his frind you might need to tell him to just play ball and stay out of all this shit. Hes played well so far this season but any distractions can hurt his game. TT needs to stay out of it two . Notice he played little last game . LB might be the main cause all so i dont know.

MJ needs to take names and kick some ass period............................................ ..................................................

[ballwhore]

From what I hear all Jax and Crash care about at this point is getting numbers and the all-star game. Jax told th e ref he was going to kick his ass.*(LMAO Headcase) DJ don't give a shit about none of what they got going at all just trying to continue to get better but LB is back on him like never before. LB was pretty aggitated as were others once they went into the locker room after the game GW was clowning and bull shitting around not showing any signs of his arm being all f#cked up. He told me Crash will play this Wednesday after the game. As far as Tyrus I don't get that he is siding with anybody all that is said is he is crazy ten a maf#cka.:o

[dav7z]

From what I hear all Jax and Crash care about at this point is getting numbers and the all-star game. Jax told th e ref he was going to kick his ass.*(LMAO Headcase) DJ don't give a shit about none of what they got going at all just trying to continue to get better but LB is back on him like never before. LB was pretty aggitated as were others once they went into the locker room after the game GW was clowning and bull shitting around not showing any signs of his arm being all f#cked up. He told me Crash will play this Wednesday after the game. As far as Tyrus I don't get that he is siding with anybody all that is said is he is crazy ten a maf#cka.:o

DJ has got to realize hes the man now . So no matter how hard LB is on him . If he continues to do his job its not a damn thing LB can do . But if he gets caught up in this JAX , Wallace crap . It could distract his game.

As far as all stars . If the Bobcats don't win neither player has a chance in hell .

[ohara831]

If MJ has DJ's back, DJ has nothing to worry about. LB will be gone after this season, so DJ just needs to continue working on his stuff and getting better. If he impresses the owner, it doesn't matter as much if the supervisor is pissy with him or not. The rest will take care of itself.

[ballwhore]

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/12/05/1890300/key-ingredients-missing-for-bobcats.html

So now you got what's suppose to be the Captain's pointing fingers. Sure sign of f#cking losers. It's all DJ's fault according to Jax and Wallace. How about start playing hard? How about stop getting f#cking suspended and Slowing the ball to a crawl going one on when when it touches your hands. How about actually guarding the 2 and 3 spot at least for one game. Hell Meeks sets a record and now it's on DJ. Tear this d@mn team apart now and start a youth movement. The two captains throwing DJ under the bus like they are out there busting azz. At least LB had DJ's back on this subject. How can Jax and Wallace be captains when they need to be lead themselves? This article speaks volumes of the make up of what's suppose to be the two best players. While DJ has his shortcomings on defense there isn't one part of these two guys game that has been better than sub par this year. BLOW IT UP! LB INCLUDED!

[Plowright]

Ballwhore, i think your right!!! Keep DJ,TT,UPS,HENDO,everyone else is tradable!!!

[ND22]

This upsets me. Wallace and Jack are publicly saying their starting point, their TEAMMATE, doesn't have "fight." If we aren't showing signs of turning things around by early next year, we cut our losses and look to the future. I can accept a struggling season when everybody is playing hard and has each other's back but these comments from the captains of our team are ridiculous.

[Proudiddy]

I was completely blown away that Jack and Crash would even say anything like this in a published article. At least go with the "anonymous source" route. As I was reading it, my jaw just kept dropping. I get that Felton was a leader, but they were in this article talking about him like a f*cking Marvel Comic. I don't get it. And for all that personality and intensity he brought, it didn't prevent him from getting his ass busted by Jameer Nelson in the playoffs.

This is ridiculous. And DJ has done nothing but played his ass off this year. Sure, he's had a few off games, but the guy is balling, just like I predicted he would if given the opportunity last year. Sorry if he's not super-expressive, but you don't have to be to be a leader. Why do Jack, who supposedly had DJ's back, and Crash feel they have the right to criticize him in the paper? Although this article's title suggests that it's about the problems with the team, it mainly just ends up being a "we miss Felton, DJ's not our guy" article. SN: If they wanted Felton that bad, he wasn't that expensive... Yet, we didn't bring him back.

Also, Crash is the same one that called Tyson out last year, yet this year he was an amazing player and leader in the locker room... lol.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, this team is going nowhere because of how it is constructed. If Crash and Jack were stand-up vets, we wouldn't have this problem. Instead, they wanna be immature, me-first vets, and are looking for excuses as to why that isn't working anymore. Yes, losing guys like Felton, Theo, and Tyson hurt because they picked up the slack maturity wise and handled things within the team when Crash and Jack wouldn't... As vets often do.

I said earlier in the season, I think we can trade Crash for maximum value now. And I think UPS can grow into the SF role. I think Hendo can be a player at SG. And whatever we can get back should be equal or better in value than those guys. It's time to make some deals because these guys don't get it. You can't point fingers and without looking at yourself first. These two are grown ass men, complaining that they don't have another grown man there to hold their hand and "set the tone" for them. GTFO. Please, BLOW IT UP NOW.

[TheBeagle]

Yeah, it's absolute horseshit and bush what they did to DJ. At the home opener vs. IND it was obvious this team missed Raymond for his leadership or at least his attempted leadership, but this was uncalled for. As the co-douchers, er, co-captains shouldn't you maybe uh..........LEAD?!?!? DJ's just learning the position under a tough as nails boss; maybe he's a little too busy to keep you divas in line, huh?

And now you know why I've come to generally loathe the players on this team. I don't think it's always been the case, but definitely this year if not the past 3, GW has been exposed in my eyes. He used to play hard and give it his all and then he fell in love with the concept and less with the act, and fell in love with giving soundbytes to the media and not following through on them on the court. It kills me to say it, but it's time to part ways as I think both parties have gotten the most they can out of each other. Not unlike my Astros trading away lifelongers Berkman and Oswalt this past offseason (I know only teej'll get the reference), it's time to move on for the best of all involved.

I just hope DJ stays the course and uses this to toughen him up more mentally, and realizes he is one of the few solutions on this team instead of the multitude of problems.

[Proudiddy]

Yeah, it's absolute horseshit and bush what they did to DJ. At the home opener vs. IND it was obvious this team missed Raymond for his leadership or at least his attempted leadership, but this was uncalled for. As the co-douchers, er, co-captains shouldn't you maybe uh..........LEAD?!?!? DJ's just learning the position under a tough as nails boss; maybe he's a little too busy to keep you divas in line, huh?

And now you know why I've come to generally loathe the players on this team. I don't think it's always been the case, but definitely this year if not the past 3, GW has been exposed in my eyes. He used to play hard and give it his all and then he fell in love with the concept and less with the act, and fell in love with giving soundbytes to the media and not following through on them on the court. It kills me to say it, but it's time to part ways as I think both parties have gotten the most they can out of each other. Not unlike my Astros trading away lifelongers Berkman and Oswalt this past offseason (I know only teej'll get the reference), it's time to move on for the best of all involved.

I just hope DJ stays the course and uses this to toughen him up more mentally, and realizes he is one of the few solutions on this team instead of the multitude of problems.

You've always been one of my favorites here Beagle. I can't agree more. The ceiling was hit last year and the players here are now just primadonnas looking to stuff their stat sheet and get all the accolades. GW is on a lot of bull right now and has essentially exposed himself. Captain my ass. Blow it up.

[ballwhore]

Wallace gets paid to be crash run the floor , rebound, dunk, get loose balls. Not speak that is not his strong suit. I bet he doesn't even realize he questioned his own ability to lead with his comment. Wallace STF up and start running around with reckless abandon getting rebounds again; gag order don't speak. With DJ now it's roll or fold he sees where they stand so he needs to switch his focus and stop trying to make them two happy passing up shots and sacrificing his game. Well see

[ballwhore]

So DJ gets to practice today Higgins and Brown meet him at the door and pull him to the side. Higgins states that they both will most likely be fined because they have some type of stuff in their contract about doing the sh#t they did (I guess no speaking your mind clause). Larry Brown told DJ that of course he himself has expressed that he liked Felton but DJ has worked twice as hard as anyone and no one should be questioning what he brings or his effort. Both asked him please don't let what was said effect his play and things will be dealt with..Practice starts first one in his face.....SJax...No word for him..GW ain't say sh#t to him the whole practice. He didn't get to adress them like he wanted but will fter the game tonight. I will fill you guys in on whats up. Maybe this is the fire he needed to comeout firing cause he is pretty f#cking upset but it didn't have to be in a public forum. We'll see but none of the tone of our convo was light hearted at all. You got Nazr, Diop, Diaw, Tyrus, Brown, telling him f#ck Jax and Wallace everybody else no comment. I could see some pushes or punches after the game especially if it's a loss. Just hope he pushes or punches first and it's stopped real quick. Also said Jax has bitch ways soon as Tyson got his 40 mil deal he was telling teamates that he ain't even worth 5 mil they f#cking stupid for that but then took him and DJ to dinner. Who knows with Jax. That's all I got for now folks...

[spectre]

I could see some pushes or punches after the game especially if it's a loss. Just hope he pushes or punches first and it's stopped real quick.

...else Jax would murder him.

[TheBeagle]

So DJ gets to practice today Higgins and Brown meet him at the door and pull him to the side. Higgins states that they both will most likely be fined because they have some type of stuff in their contract about doing the sh#t they did (I guess no speaking your mind clause). Larry Brown told DJ that of course he himself has expressed that he liked Felton but DJ has worked twice as hard as anyone and no one should be questioning what he brings or his effort. Both asked him please don't let what was said effect his play and things will be dealt with..Practice starts first one in his face.....SJax...No word for him..GW ain't say sh#t to him the whole practice. He didn't get to adress them like he wanted but will fter the game tonight. I will fill you guys in on whats up. Maybe this is the fire he needed to comeout firing cause he is pretty f#cking upset but it didn't have to be in a public forum. We'll see but none of the tone of our convo was light hearted at all. You got Nazr, Diop, Diaw, Tyrus, Brown, telling him f#ck Jax and Wallace everybody else no comment. I could see some pushes or punches after the game especially if it's a loss. Just hope he pushes or punches first and it's stopped real quick. Also said Jax has bitch ways soon as Tyson got his 40 mil deal he was telling teamates that he ain't even worth 5 mil they f#cking stupid for that but then took him and DJ to dinner. Who knows with Jax. That's all I got for now folks... If there's anybody on this team whose judgment I trust, it's old warhorse Nazr, and the fact that he is pissed with GW's and Jack's handling of DJ says all I need to hear on the matter. Awesome to see Boris give his support too. LOLing at Tyrus.

[Chef]

So DJ gets to practice today Higgins and Brown meet him at the door and pull him to the side. Higgins states that they both will most likely be fined because they have some type of stuff in their contract about doing the sh#t they did (I guess no speaking your mind clause). Larry Brown told DJ that of course he himself has expressed that he liked Felton but DJ has worked twice as hard as anyone and no one should be questioning what he brings or his effort. Both asked him please don't let what was said effect his play and things will be dealt with..Practice starts first one in his face.....SJax...No word for him..GW ain't say sh#t to him the whole practice. He didn't get to adress them like he wanted but will fter the game tonight. I will fill you guys in on whats up. Maybe this is the fire he needed to comeout firing cause he is pretty f#cking upset but it didn't have to be in a public forum. We'll see but none of the tone of our convo was light hearted at all. You got Nazr, Diop, Diaw, Tyrus, Brown, telling him f#ck Jax and Wallace everybody else no comment. I could see some pushes or punches after the game especially if it's a loss. Just hope he pushes or punches first and it's stopped real quick. Also said Jax has bitch ways soon as Tyson got his 40 mil deal he was telling teamates that he ain't even worth 5 mil they f#cking stupid for that but then took him and DJ to dinner. Who knows with Jax. That's all I got for now folks...

thanks ballwhore. this has become my gossip site. now if you could just post some pictures of dj bumming around the house we can publish our first US WEEKLY bobcats edition.

[Proudiddy]

Well, look what we have here from Bonnell after tonight's win:


Well, it’s getting interesting in Bobcatsville….

-- Stephen Jackson did his best to support teammate D.J. Augustin post-game, and that’s admirable. But it got a little awkward when Jackson said they didn’t want to hear any more questions about Raymond Felton.

Actually, nobody has been peppering them with Raymond Felton questions. I asked Gerald Wallace one question, pre-game Saturday, about whether they’re missing something in Felton’s absence. Gerald said what he said: Essentially that D.J. is neither as big, nor as fierce, as Felton. That is absolutely true and I think D.J. would say as much, too. The “sin,’’ I guess, was Wallace acknowledging the obvious.

So Richard, if Wallace is stating the obvious, why were you asking a question you already knew the answer to (in your opinion)? Stirring the pot much? Feel free to let us know when you're lurking the site...

This is some bullsh*t. Glad Jack has squashed it, but I genuinely feel GW said what he did blatantly out of frustration and lack of leadership. Leaders don't look for others to grab their hand and do their job for them... Combine the DJ comments with the supposed fight with Jack earlier in the season and it seems GW thinks he's some kind of diva now. I'm really disappointed in him...

[BlockParty]

I think Jack and GW are over it. Watch the replay of Billups last second miss, the two Captains exchange a hug after the buzzer sounds. Key to all of this is keeping DJ playing aggressive.

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[Demon DeaCat]

Whatever was said didn't appear to have a negative effect on DJ's game last night. If anything it served as motivation, which may not be a bad thing. If the end result is guys playing better and the team winning, I couldn't care less what they say about each other or to whom it's said.

[ballwhore]

So nothing ended up confrontational. DJ pulled Jack to side after the game and talked to him; told him how he felt about sh#t because him and Jack do hang out from time to time. Jack cut him short and said that all his words we're twisted the interview didn't even go anything like Bonnel put out. Whille talking Gerald walk up and said "I know you ain't trying to f#ck with me rigt now but that article was all bullsh#t he said things but totally not in that context. The media guy was with Gerald and confirmed Bonnel's article to be b#llshit. That's why after the game Jack said what he did about the Felton stuff. DJ said he told them if it's not true they need to call Bonnel and tell him to retract the statement or call his azz out on it...Then he had to go we'll talk later. What ya'll think? Bonnel full of shit? or Should we go with where the is smoke there is fire.(But we did win) Either way as he said basketball is his job and regardless it won't stop him from handling his business but for his teammates especially Jack (Who he termed he f#cks with) bothered him the way they went about complaints they have with him if any.

[Dcarnys]

Bonnel trying to start shit possibly?? Damn

[ballwhore]

http://www.nba.com/bobcats/video/2010/12/07/101207stephenjackson-1489065/index.html

http://www.bobcatsbreak.com/?p=3252

[Scottley Crue]

When I read the article, something seemed out-of-context-ish about it to me. Nothing that made me think that Bonnell is trying to start anything, but just that it wasn't presented clearly. It came across as if Bonnell said "How's it going, Gerald" and Gerald said "LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING ABOUT DJ AUGUSTIN!!!" Most likely, this didn't happen.

(Though I did sports writing for local papers in college, and on one occasion, I asked a minor league baseball manager about the game that evening and he went on a 10-minute profanity laced tirade about the drunk kids behind the dugout that had taken full advantage of "Thirsty Thursday" and lit him up verbally in the process, so it can happen occasionally.)

So, Crash and Jax said what they said, but I don't get the impression it was as Bonnell wrote it. Not because Bonnell was being evil, I think he just kinda missed on the delivery, that's all.

[spectre]

Actually, nobody has been peppering them with Raymond Felton questions. I asked Gerald Wallace one question, pre-game Saturday, about whether they’re missing something in Felton’s absence. Gerald said what he said: Essentially that D.J. is neither as big, nor as fierce, as Felton. That is absolutely true and I think D.J. would say as much, too. The “sin,’’ I guess, was Wallace acknowledging the obvious.http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2010/12/stray-thoughts-after-a-nice-win.html

Bonnell asked Crash point blank about Felton.

[-Ian-]

I hope ballwhore can give us some inside info on the team's reaction after the Indiana game.

[ZackTB23]

I sure hope so!

[Plowright]

So DJ the best shooter on the team took just 6 shots, on the other hand Dominic Mcguire took 13 shots... I mean what is up with that. We really have to start playing smart basketball. LB said the other day that Mcguire is trying to do too much and he is right. Until DM gets a new J he should tried to avoid contested jump shots. DJ has to look for his shot more, this may all be to do with LB's system where he doesnt want dj to shoot, but if thats true its just silly cause he is a born scorer.

[spectre]

DJ has to look for his shot more, this may all be to do with LB's system where he doesnt want dj to shoot, but if thats true its just silly cause he is a born scorer.

I have never ever seen a quote where LB said DJ shouldn't shoot; in fact he's said the opposite many many times.

Assert yourself. Make it yours.

[BlockParty]

So DJ the best shooter on the team took just 6 shots, on the other hand Dominic Mcguire took 13 shots... I mean what is up with that. We really have to start playing smart basketball. LB said the other day that Mcguire is trying to do too much and he is right. Until DM gets a new J he should tried to avoid contested jump shots. DJ has to look for his shot more, this may all be to do with LB's system where he doesnt want dj to shoot, but if thats true its just silly cause he is a born scorer.

I might bring a sign to tonights game "Dom, if your fingers aren't touching the rim, you are outside of your range"

[110oldeast]

I've gotta back spectre on all of this.

First of all, I believe that what was quoted was said. Now whether guys were hoping for things to get in the paper is another matter. It's funny how folks backed Crash when he did this with Tyson, but now are shocked when it happens this year with DJ. For the record, I am an in house guy myself and thought he was wrong on both occasions in letting things go public. Never let something go to the press that has not previously gone to the other person directly if it goes in the press at all.

Second, DJ has to take responsibility for being assertive. As spectre said, LB has OPENLY and publicly BEGGED him to shoot. He has the green light. I think it has more to do with being deferential to greater alpha dog personalities in Jack and Crash as well as insecurity due to not trusting anything or anyone, including himself. I am not saying that he does not have any reason to be distrustful, but at this point, he's gotta to do what he can to shake off the bullshit and be aggressive.

I will keep saying it until I am blue in the face, this team neither last year nor this year can be carried against GOOD teams by Jack and Crash. The worst thing that happened last year was all the bullshit coverage that Jack and Crash got that inflated their perceptions of themselves and created some Ocho Cinco/TO type stuff; as you have 2 fairly talented players who are good, but not able to carry teams to big winning in the way they were fabricated to be able to. The point guard was integral in us winning REAL games last year and he will HAVE to be this year.

DJ has his opportunity and he has to go and TAKE IT. When the point guards on this team take a backseat to Jack and Crash against quality comp, what happens is the Orlando series. The guys are GOOD players, but like I told folks last year, NEITHER are top 5 wing players who you just constantly run things through. You run some sets through them, but have to make them take more role of play finishers than facilitators, otherwise you have a problem.

It's not enough to just not mistakes. You gotta make things happen, even if it means making some mistakes yourself. That's what the previous pg understood (even if the fanbase didn't) until he froze up deferentially in the playoffs (and we saw the result) and this is what the current pg needs to do. People will say stuff like, "he's making less TOs than Ray so that's better." Well, not necessarily, when you consider that it's only 0.4 TOs less and the team is turning it over 1.2 times more. To me, that says, the pg needs to have the ball more even if it means his individual TOs go up. What good is being top 5 in the league a/t ratio if your team is still 2nd to last in TOs? When folks talk about LB getting on the pg for empty possessions, this is where this comes into play. As a pg, it might mean that you have to NOT give the ball to another guy if he is kicking it all over the court. You do what you have to do to make sure the team gets a decent look. It's not enough to say it wasn't MY turnover, b/c as the QB of the team, giving the ball to another guy who is routinely turning over eventually begins to be looked at as YOUR turnover as the offensive orchestrator.

DJ has to step up and play as a leader even if he does not view himself as a leader. For whatever toughness he may think he is getting presswise, he needs to talk to Ray about the way he was covered for the MAJORITY of his career here. Because I can tell you, it was much more consistently critical and the compliments only came in backhanded form. It's hilarious to hear folks say that Bonnell has a hard on for Felton when he certainly has never covered him this way and had no problem throwing him under the bus throughout his career as he was supplanting Brevin Knight. DJ, you gotta stay the eff out of the press as much as you can and stay in the gym and in the coach's office. He will get in your ass, but if you take it and bounce back, YOU will be much better in the long run. And when you get the next coach who is "less restrictive" you will thrive even more.


I have never ever seen a quote where LB said DJ shouldn't shoot; in fact he's said the opposite many many times.

Assert yourself. Make it yours.

[DY_nasty]

I have never ever seen a quote where LB said DJ shouldn't shoot; in fact he's said the opposite many many times.

Assert yourself. Make it yours.
Wasn't DJ getting bagged on all last year for his shooting?

[Fred Williamson]

ballwhore, where you at

[spectre]

Wasn't DJ getting bagged on all last year for his shooting?

I honestly don't remember an instance DY, all I remember is LB always telling him to shoot. Can you think of a particular one?

We know now though that DJ was hurt for most of last season. No doubt that affected a lot of things.

[ammofan]

ballwhore, where you at

Yea where is the dude when we need him?