I Live in Denver

[Imindenver]

Let me just say the trades you guys are coming up with are nothing short of insane.

Outside of Charlotte Gerald Wallace is slightly above average at best. Sorry folks I'm sure you guys think he is great. Call me when you avg over 20 a game (just one time in your career) and make more free throws than Shaq.

Then you guys think pair more trash with Wallace and believe it will make it better? And don't forget the Nuggets will throw in Nene or JR HAHAHAHAHA take Billups and K mart as well. sounds fair right?

Charlotte does not have the players/contracts to offer for Melo. Sorry folks

No one even mentioned 1st round picks????? Teams are offering 2 of them plus a top 10 rookie with expiring contracts.

You wouldn't trade a Mercedes for 1 Honda civic and 3 pintos would you?

[Felton for Prez]

Last I checked, basketball was more than just scoring. Silly things like rebounding, defense and intangibles (hustle, heart, etc) are equally important. Next time keep that in mind before you come over on to an opposing teams board with your homerism.

I am not suggesting Wallace > Melo. But I am most certainly suggesting Wallace is not a Honda Civic.

[dnbman]

No one even mentioned 1st round picks????? Teams are offering 2 of them plus a top 10 rookie with expiring contracts.

Even if Wallace was a a Civic, as you say, you don't understand your team's situation. Denver is in a position where they may lose Anthony for nothing. Anthony has to agree to sign an extension to be of serious value to any team. If he doesn't do that, Denver is getting pennies on the dollar for him, as he becomes a half season rental. Wallace would be more than a fair price for an unextended Anthony.

[ohara831]

Even if Wallace was a a Civic, as you say, you don't understand your team's situation. Denver is in a position where they may lose Anthony for nothing. Anthony has to agree to sign an extension to be of serious value to any team. If he doesn't do that, Denver is getting pennies on the dollar for him, as he becomes a half season rental. Wallace would be more than a fair price for an unextended Anthony.

Exactly. It must be a team with whom he will extend, AND it has to provide Denver with something which is better than them merely letting him walk and be happy with the Cap space. Has to be BOTH or nothing happens. Our friend in Denver is acting as if Melo still has another year or so under Contract. But I understand his frustration with the Denver situation.

[Scottley Crue]

Even if Wallace was a a Civic, as you say, you don't understand your team's situation. Denver is in a position where they may lose Anthony for nothing. Anthony has to agree to sign an extension to be of serious value to any team. If he doesn't do that, Denver is getting pennies on the dollar for him, as he becomes a half season rental. Wallace would be more than a fair price for an unextended Anthony.

You're right on it about that. I'm sure we've come up with our own ideas, but as far as Wallace goes, Denver was reported as wanting him back before the season started. So they seem to value him, perhaps more than they do a Civic.

[Chef]

plus something you didn't mention on your rant. we didn't start the idea of melo coming here. it was reaction to jordan pursuing melo. the board was all speculation of what the trade could be. and newsflash, you aren't getting multiple firsts and crash for a 1/2 season rental of melo. so unless denver wants what the knicks are offering, (those draft picks will be shit with melo on the team) then you are stuck listening to other teams offer colorful beads and blankets for manhattan.

[ammofan]

Do u want anything on return for Melo or not? Gerald was an All Star last year and he no one else is offering you guys any All Stars. Would you rather have Danillio Gallinari and Wilson Chandler or Gerald Wallace and Boris Diaw?

[WAM9]

Melo = a Mercedes that is up for repo!

You know...something you are about to lose with no return whatsoever. Ask Cleveland if they would like to have a Honda Civic back instead of taking the bus to work now. And to echo some of the other posters, Wallace is no Civic.

[ND22]

You really don't understand Gerald Wallace's value which is understandable because until last year, no one knew who he was. Rumor was back during the Melo to NJ talks Denver was really pressing Charlotte for Wallace, but MJ wasn't giving him up unless Melo came here. Fact is Denver likes Wallace, even if you don't.

[Chef]

and don't be mad at us when you should be mad with your management for nixing the summer deal with njn. melo is now seeing how much fun amare is having and how rocking the garden is again. there is no way he wants to be in nj now. it is only the knicks. and if you don't think everyone around the league knows this you are fooling yourself.

[CatNation]

ok...enjoy your other options of

A. Gallanari the next Bird....if Bird shot 40% from the field..and couldn't do anything else

B. Derrick Favors.... the 6/5 superbust

C. Absolutely nothing...what you will probably end up getting for being so demanding with your fat chucking diva superstar

[SWedd523]

How are the Mormons out there?



Before you get all snippy and sign up on another forum just to call our members insane, Gerald "All-Star" Wallace slightly above average, please consider a bit of decorum.


Now, something you don't seem to realize is that many here and on RGM would do this deal without Melo signing an extension. Moving Melo without being forced to sign him long term diminishes your power in the trade discussions. Teams aren't going to offer you the kitchen sink, table, and dish washer. They'll offer whatever makes the money work. If I were you, I'd be ecstatic with picking up an All-Defense, All-Star, only SF to average a double double in God knows how long, for a guy who doesn't even want to be there anymore.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

How are the Mormons out there?



Before you get all snippy and sign up on another forum just to call our members insane, Gerald "All-Star" Wallace slightly above average, please consider a bit of decorum.


Now, something you don't seem to realize is that many here and on RGM would do this deal without Melo signing an extension. Moving Melo without being forced to sign him long term diminishes your power in the trade discussions. Teams aren't going to offer you the kitchen sink, table, and dish washer. They'll offer whatever makes the money work. If I were you, I'd be ecstatic with picking up an All-Defense, All-Star, only SF to average a double double in God knows how long, for a guy who doesn't even want to be there anymore.This was a perfect response and really overall all of the responses have been good. Truth be known I think that the way Denver is set up as a team would mean that Crash and Boris would be perfect fits for them. With the way our team scores we could take a slight loss in defense and do much better with Melo's scoring. I really would hate to see Crash go but it just seems that our team is not fixable in regards to chemistry and Crash is obviously not happy or playing like his usual self. Being that I am a Bobcats and Nuggets fan I have a unique perspective on all this. I truly believe that Wallace would become loved in Denver and no matter what happens with Melo if he comes to Charlotte he sets us up at the least to rebuild by giving us more cap space. Truthfully I like the idea of our Bobcats going the Portland, OKC route. Boris is not always our favorite guy but we have seen what he can be and when he is motivated he is a pretty good player. He may like it in Denver and that would be good for the Nuggets.

I would hope that any trade involving us and the Nuggets benefits both us and them. I root for both teams.

[K!NG Wacko]

hey I'd be mad too if I realized my team was going to be the next glorified Cleveland Cavs..

[fallen xxi]

^ Shit, they might even be worse!! At least Mo Williams isn't 34! And to think he came in here saying Crash was sub-par...I don't care if he is starting slow, an All-Star is an All-Star. If Crash is sub-par, what the fuck is the rest of your team without Melo? I'll classify it for you: Old, Overrated, and locked down to RIDICULOUS contracts. Have fun getting rid of Harrington, Andersen, and Balkman's contracts! Sucks to be a Denver fan.

[Dcarnys]

I hear ya because yuo don't wanna have to lose Mello. The fact of that matter is that he isn't going to stay in Denver and in all honesty I think we give you a very good deal. Diaw as much as we bag on him has been playing rather consistent this year and Wallace even with all our gripes this year hes still an all-star, still a defensive beast and would work very well with Billups. Honestly with or without Mello theres no need for you guys to enter "rebuilding" mode so why should you???

[BlockParty]

Melo>Wallace>Civic>Pinto>skateboard with a 3hp weed eater engine>what Denver probably ends up getting if you were their GM

[Imindenver]

Okay I didn't mean to be insulting or a troll wasn't trying to be on the attack.
the trades where just getting a little crazy IMO.

I know there is more to Basketball than scoring. I wish the Nuggets knew that as well.


To the guy bashing the Nuggets. What the hell are the Bobcats with everyone they already have? 62 points really I mean come on. Call me when you squeeze out another 500 season. I've been there as a Nuggets fan the difference is I know when to keep my mouth shut.

[Imindenver]

I honestly Like this deal better for the future and rebuilding and freeing up cap space.

The proposed deal would send power forwards Troy Murphy and Derrick Favors, as well as two first round picks to Denver in exchange for the Nuggets' three time all-star.

Nuggets are not going to replace Carmelo through a trade and that's the bottom line but they need to look father down the road then this year and next.

Wallace and Diaw would definitely help the Nuggets get through this year but what about 3 years from now Melo will be in the middle of his prime and The Nuggets probably would having nothing to show for it.

Denver could have something like Terrance or Perry Jones, Alec Burks, Favors and money to spend and another 1st round pick for the following year.

[teej]

Okay I didn't mean to be insulting or a troll wasn't trying to be on the attack.
the trades where just getting a little crazy IMO.

I know there is more to Basketball than scoring. I wish the Nuggets knew that as well.


To the guy bashing the Nuggets. What the hell are the Bobcats with everyone they already have? 62 points really I mean come on. Call me when you squeeze out another 500 season. I've been there as a Nuggets fan the difference is I know when to keep my mouth shut.

I think everyone on here is being a bit vitriolic because we're so frustrated with this team, not because of anything you said. And I understand your views, because it hurts to lose a top guy because he doesn't want to be there.

If you trade Melo, your GM is going to have to sell that the team is getting better, so getting an All-Star in Wallace and another piece helps that. Were I MJ, I'd be willing to send Wallace, Henderson, Derrick Brown, Diaw, Mohammed (expiring) and a first for Nene and Melo, how would you view that?

[Imindenver]

I just don't see the trade being anything 2 or 3 years from now. The Nuggets are in love with Nene so I don't see them trading him. The man is one of the strongest players in the NBA and besides this year he plays like he is 175 pounds.

If I was the GM of the Nuggets I would take that trade. I would try to squeeze another 1st round which I'm sure they would do if that's what it came down to. In all Honesty if I was the GM I would throw JR in as well as long as I get that Skateboard with the 3hp motor on it as well. ( what can I say Block Party knows the way to my heart)

PS THE MORMONS ARE IN UTAH

[teej]

If I was the GM of the Nuggets I would take that trade. I would try to squeeze another 1st round which I'm sure they would do if that's what it came down to. In all Honesty if I was the GM I would throw JR in as well as long as I get that Skateboard with the 3hp motor on it as well. ( what can I say Block Party knows the way to my heart)

I'd add a second, but 2 firsts for a rental is too much.

DO NOT WANT JR. But if we had to take him to get Melo, mayyybeeee if it saved us somewhere else.

[Imindenver]

I was thinking with an extension. Times are tuff if you are willing to trade your whole team for a couple months of Melo. I think he would have to sign for the trade to happen.

[DY_nasty]

I was thinking with an extension. Times are tuff if you are willing to trade your whole team for a couple months of Melo. I think he would have to sign for the trade to happen.
I don't even care if Melo stays or not. He's still a fat booty expiring and we'll have the Knicks by the balls in a s&t over the summer. The team needs to be rebuilt and Melo is a lot easier to swallow than Michael Redd for a fanbase.

The longer Denver waits, the less they're going to get. They already let the best package slide - they won't get anything better. Wilson Chandler is a FA at the end of the season and Gallinari is too after next year. Randolph sucks and Curry is just the same expiring that you'd be getting from Melo walking anyways. NY's picks won't even take effect until 2016.

Your options aren't that good.

[Imindenver]

Yeah completely understand that!!!!! When is trading a superstar good I would rather gamble with the Nets then trade for "non insulting term for role players, fill ins, average players"

He wants out and most of us want him to go. I think there is something to all these fake injuries he is having lately and expect someone to get a Christmas present.

[Chef]

I honestly Like this deal better for the future and rebuilding and freeing up cap space.

The proposed deal would send power forwards Troy Murphy and Derrick Favors, as well as two first round picks to Denver in exchange for the Nuggets' three time all-star.

Nuggets are not going to replace Carmelo through a trade and that's the bottom line but they need to look father down the road then this year and next.

Wallace and Diaw would definitely help the Nuggets get through this year but what about 3 years from now Melo will be in the middle of his prime and The Nuggets probably would having nothing to show for it.

Denver could have something like Terrance or Perry Jones, Alec Burks, Favors and money to spend and another 1st round pick for the following year.

like i said earlier, with the fun amare is having in madison square garden, not sure melo even wants to go to the nets anymore. it is like the b team. i think you guys really blew it by refusing that trade earlier.

[teej]

I was thinking with an extension. Times are tuff if you are willing to trade your whole team for a couple months of Melo. I think he would have to sign for the trade to happen.

This team needs to be rebuilt totally, and the only guys on this team I value long term as starters are DJ and Tyrus, and maybe Derrick Brown (depends on the system). I'd much rather make the playoffs with Melo to raise Jack's value so we can trade him over the summer than to be terrible and sell for 10 cents on the dollar.

And MJ believes he can talk Melo into staying over the season, so we've got that going for us...

[Imindenver]

Need to work in some kind of a deal where the Panthers pass on andrew luck in the draft as well. swap first rounders with Broncos, if melo agrees to sign. hahaha

[SWedd523]

The biggest thing that makes Charlotte viable is the fact that we're willing to take him without an extension. New Jersey isn't going to trade Favors, Murphy, and picks unless he signs the extension.... which he won't. That's why we're in the driver's seat with a deal that is obviously less enticing than New Jersey's. Do not underestimate that point. With us agreeing to trade for a rental, we can send less out than most other teams would. The deals some are proposing are outlandish, of course, but that's going to happen in any fan base.

Again though, for us taking a RENTAL, I think Crash and Diaw for Melo, Nene, and Balkman is more than fair. Not only do you get a great return, but you drop 4mil in LT immediately.

[DY_nasty]

I doubt we get Nene out of any deal.

[Imindenver]

Nets are moving to his home town in a couple years with Jay-Z and a billionare owner, . Why wont he sign?

Our owner owns Nuggets, Avalanche, Colorado Rapids, St louis Rams, and a english soccer team. A Tv network, the pepsi center, Dick sporting goods park. His wife last
name is Walton. (Wal-Mart) We are talking about 7 billion dollars of net worth.

You think accepting a lesser trade because he saves 4 million dollars (right away) is a viable argument? Not like Denver can do anything with 4 million right away anyway.

[DY_nasty]

Nets are moving to his home town in a couple years with Jay-Z and a billionare owner, . Why wont he sign?

Our owner owns Nuggets, Avalanche, Colorado Rapids, St louis Rams, and a english soccer team. A Tv network, the pepsi center, Dick sporting goods park. His wife last
name is Walton. (Wal-Mart) We are talking about 7 billion dollars of net worth.

You think accepting a lesser trade because he saves 4 million dollars (right away) is a viable argument? Not like Denver can do anything with 4 million right away anyway.
Carmelo already shot that trade down before. And even when the deal was 'done' and Carmelo allegedly signed off on it, the Nuggets are the ones that backed out of the deal.

Don't know what happened exactly, odds are few do, but its clear that was the best deal they'll get. Nets aren't trading anything for a rental. Bobcats want some cap space and to get rid of some bad contracts - at least you'll get an all-star (he'll never be an all-star again though lol) and solid role player in Diaw. Denver still gets to go to the playoffs and all that fun stuff. Charlotte gets cap space, someone to boo other than Duke alumns, and NY gets to get shafted by Jordan just like old times.

[Imindenver]

Very true. I just read the Knicks have a trade in place to acquire a 1st to trade to Denver.

It will be interesting to see how this all plays out. Good luck to the Bobcats hopefully you guys get Melo and it works out for both teams.

[dvdbumpus]

Just throwing this out there:

"Ranking the small forwards, 11 - 1"
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Ranking-the-small-forwards-11-through-1?urn=nba-264568


4. Gerald Wallace(notes), Charlotte Bobcats (last year: seventh)

Defense is half the game, and though Wallace's roaming instincts were reined in a smidge last season, it's that work on the other side of the ball that has this man as a top five player at his position.

The stuff that shows up in your morning paper doesn't hurt his case, either. He averaged 18.2 points and 10 rebounds last season, with 2.6 combined blocks and steals and two assists per game. Alongside right-there defense.

I would have no problem and am not trying to draw attention nor hits (you've already clicked on the darn thing) in flipping him with Carmelo Anthony(notes) on more than a few nights. Anthony's offense is as good as Wallace's D, but Wallace's offense is so, so much better than Carmelo's defense.

[DY_nasty]

Very true. I just read the Knicks have a trade in place to acquire a 1st to trade to Denver.

It will be interesting to see how this all plays out. Good luck to the Bobcats hopefully you guys get Melo and it works out for both teams.
They're trying to talk Indiana into giving them a first for Anthony Randolph.

If it didn't happen before, when people didn't know that he sucked, then I doubt it happens now.

[Chef]

I doubt we get Nene out of any deal.

i would think if denver is going to get crash and diaw they aren't thinking immediate rebuild so nene, billups are off the table. if they did this 90% of their salary will expire over the next two years and they can piece it out for a rebuild. if we want someone else, ideally it would be jr smith for nazr and we could get rid of jax's contract this year too. if not, then i suspect they may make us swap nazr for anderson which still isn't that bad for us considering our current state of center. at least he defends the rim. and will amaze the casual fans with his neck tatoo.

[adam187]

Just throwing this out there:

"Ranking the small forwards, 11 - 1"
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Ranking-the-small-forwards-11-through-1?urn=nba-264568


Remember when this was true? Sigh.

[Plowright]

You live in Denver... i would be embaressed!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlFIl5GDp9M&feature=player_embedded#!

[BobCatsFanInTx]

You live in Denver... i would be embaressed!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlFIl5GDp9M&feature=player_embedded#!Hey it is obvious Denver has a lot of vocal talent!!

[ammofan]

You live in Denver... i would be embaressed!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlFIl5GDp9M&feature=player_embedded#!

Melo's part was hilarious actually

[K!NG Wacko]

Okay I didn't mean to be insulting or a troll wasn't trying to be on the attack.
the trades where just getting a little crazy IMO.

I know there is more to Basketball than scoring. I wish the Nuggets knew that as well.


To the guy bashing the Nuggets. What the hell are the Bobcats with everyone they already have? 62 points really I mean come on. Call me when you squeeze out another 500 season. I've been there as a Nuggets fan the difference is I know when to keep my mouth shut.

Yah the Nuggets were ALWAYS there without Melo. Now you're going back. Would have Bobcats over Meloless Nuggets any day of the week.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

Yah the Nuggets were ALWAYS there without Melo. Now you're going back. Would have Bobcats over Meloless Nuggets any day of the week.I will take an exchange of talent and take the Meloless Nuggets over this group of pretenders calling themselves Charlotte Bobcats any day. Denver has more overall talent than the Bobcats and that is a fact.

[Stu_Discus]

Melo = a Mercedes that is up for repo!

You know...something you are about to lose with no return whatsoever. Ask Cleveland if they would like to have a Honda Civic back instead of taking the bus to work now. And to echo some of the other posters, Wallace is no Civic.


Im ok with taking the bus to work as long as Kyries' the one driving it..

[Black]

Thanks for bumping a year and a half old thread to make that comment.

[Stu_Discus]

Thanks for bumping a year and a half old thread to make that comment.
You're welcome..

By the way..

The New Orleans boards are over yonder ------------------------>

[Black]

Says the guy with a Mo Williams sig.