The 2010-11 Trade Discussion Thread (Part II)

[SWedd523]

With the first thread now eclipsing 62 pages with 610 posts, it's time to start up a new one.




Again folks, please keep all BOBCATS RELATED ideas, rumors, links, etc. in THIS thread. Trades not concerning the Cats can be placed in their own thread if a need arises! Now, baaaaaack to the topic.

[SWedd523]

Two trades that I want to happen, that totally can happen, and totally SHOULD happen are:

Jack/2nd Rounder for OJ Mayo and Hasheem Thabeet

Crash and Diop for Dalembert, Casspi, and Landry

[Demon DeaCat]

I REALLY like your first trade Swedd. That would be great for us. Btw, thanks for the new thread. After that last merge I had just given up trying to figure out where I had stopped reading.

[truDUKEfan]

I haven't been on in awhile any new rumors that we are involved in? B/c our players havent been the same this year, the lack of effort is aparent. It just seems like our guys dont have the heart or effort they displayed at this time last year when we made that great run. Well all i can do is hope jordan has an ace up his sleave.....

[spectre]

Jack/2nd Rounder for OJ Mayo and Hasheem Thabeet

I know Thabeet is already carrying around the bust label...but I still don't think Jax would bring this package.

[Marvel]

I know Thabeet is already carrying around the bust label...but I still don't think Jax would bring this package.

This is Memphis we're talking about.

[SWedd523]

I think Jack is just what they need. Mayo they don't like, and Henry (a guy I love) isn't good enough for that role, yet.


Randolph isn't getting any younger, and may leave. They're locked into Gay and Conley for big money, and Gasol will be up for an extension soon. They simply don't have room to keep him and seemingly don't want to anyway. Jack gives them an undeniable presence and edge that can finally push them into the playoffs they they just barely missed last year and desperately want to achieve. Thabeet is a bum and is only included for salary purposes, I'm sure it could be worked around to be more appealing of course!




and truDUKE, I haven't really heard much since the season started, but I'm sure they'll pick up soon, with today being the 15th.

[Plowright]

yer i like the first deal swedd. Not sure if they would trade for jack tho, he is a bit of a headcase and may take rudy gay out the frame a bit which they dont want happening

[adam187]

I saw this posted on Bill Simmon's Twitter:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2aegs5g

Thoughts? Chauncey is a better PG than DJ, and he is a team option next year which is good, but we lose Diaw, which would mean a ton more Nazr, Kwame, and TT which might not be that good of a thing.

[Black]

I saw this posted on Bill Simmon's Twitter:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2aegs5g

Thoughts? Chauncey is a better PG than DJ, and he is a team option next year which is good, but we lose Diaw, which would mean a ton more Nazr, Kwame, and TT which might not be that good of a thing.

No thanks. I would take Augustin over Billups at this point, but to then include Diaw on top of it? Pass.

[Chef]

No thanks. I would take Augustin over Billups at this point, but to then include Diaw on top of it? Pass.

what if we subbed out crash for diaw and got gallo and a protected 1st from one of them.

[SWedd523]

Why is everybody on Gallo's nut satchel?!


He's not that good. I'd take Amare, Ray, Wilson Chandler, and Landry Fields before Gallo.

[Absinthe]

I don't think they're going to be able to put together a package to get Melo in Charlotte. New Jersey seems like the most likely destination for him unless he becomes a total douche and demands a trade to New York.

If Denver is going to get rid of Melo they have to totally rebuild. So get rid of Anderson, Billups, JR Smith, and Kenyon Martin too.

Idealistically, I'd like for Charlotte to rebuild too.

[Scottley Crue]

I don't think they're going to be able to put together a package to get Melo in Charlotte. New Jersey seems like the most likely destination for him unless he becomes a total douche and demands a trade to New York.

If Denver is going to get rid of Melo they have to totally rebuild. So get rid of Anderson, Billups, JR Smith, and Kenyon Martin too.

Idealistically, I'd like for Charlotte to rebuild too.

I don't think he'll demand a trade, but it's been made pretty clear that he really only wants to sign that extension with NY. It all depends if NJ can convince Melo to do otherwise or decide they want to rent him--which if they keep the current deal, is quite the price to pay for a rental. Charlotte is willing to rent, so there's not as much resistance as there would be from a team wanting to keep him long-term. He may not end up a Bobcat, but I think the rental aspect helps us.

[Scottley Crue]

Why is everybody on Gallo's nut satchel?!


He's not that good. I'd take Amare, Ray, Wilson Chandler, and Landry Fields before Gallo.

I don't know...I'd like to see someone who can knock down threes pretty regularly, so that's why I wouldn't mind him.

[Chef]

I don't know...I'd like to see someone who can knock down threes pretty regularly, so that's why I wouldn't mind him.

he is good. he is showing signs that he can penetrate/take the ball to the rim as well as shoot. he would be a great spacer for us and would allow jax a little room to operate.

[dnbman]

This is somewhat OT, but why would Melo agree to sign with the Nets if it effectively guts their team (outside of Lopez) to make it happen? I just don't see him agreeing to an extension unless it's in a trade to the Knicks.

[Black]

They wouldn't really be gutting the team to get Melo. The proposed deal would be Favors, Murphy, and a bunch of picks for Melo.

[dnbman]

They wouldn't really be gutting the team to get Melo. The proposed deal would be Favors, Murphy, and a bunch of picks for Melo.

It may not look like they're gutting the team, but considering that they suck now and would trade most of their immediate future away, they'd be in nothing more than mediocre shape if they acquired Melo. Meanwhile, he can wait a few more months and join a Knicks team on the rise without them giving up anything of value.

[teej]

Melo wants to join the Knicks for two reasons: One, MSG is far better than what the Barclays Center can be in both atmosphere and history, and two, because a Felton/Wilson Chandler/Melo/Amar'e/Mozgov lineup will be better than Miami, Boston, Orlando or whoever else post-lockout. Even if NYK gives up Curry/Gallo/Fields and picks they're stacked. If they wait, and have a Felton/Wilson/Gallo/Melo/Amar'e lineup with Fields as the 6th man, they'll be the best team in the league.

[Fred Williamson]

I'm at a point right, where I really don't give a fuck who we get in return. Just get expirings and picks.

[Chef]

ok for the fun stuff of blowing it up. let's see those "eff it, time to blow it up trades". here are the rules: 1. generally when the league knows you are blowing it up, you get at best 75 cents on the dollar so we should be getting a little shafted in all proposed deals. 2. the only players we can move with bad contracts are dj (due to his low cost) or crash (and we won't get picks back if he goes out with diop) 3. all players are fair game 4. it has to make sense for the other team

[adam187]

If we're getting 75 cents, then maybe this:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2cvfr22

Get's us out of Diaw + Jackson's. Ideally it would be Diop not Diaw, but I doubt Orlando would swallow that. Vince is expiring.

[ammofan]

If we're getting 75 cents, then maybe this:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2cvfr22

Get's us out of Diaw + Jackson's. Ideally it would be Diop not Diaw, but I doubt Orlando would swallow that. Vince is expiring.

I would do it.....I love Vince and if ORL would add Gortat instead of Allen it would be AWESOME

[BobCatsFanInTx]

I have tried all kinds of trades on the Espn Trade Checker and it seems our options are few. I find it will be hard to even dump Jax and "Crashed and Burned." I hope you guys have more luck than I have had in trying to get some expirings that have a smudge of decent returning talent. Every trade I try makes the other team worse and us better. If GM's use the same criteria as the ESPN Trade Checker we will NEVER make a trade this season. The above trade is as good as any I have seen brought about.

[G Wuh Wuh Wuh Wallace]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=29xjz47

then


http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=29eczy3

[Chef]

trade 1:
clips out: aminu, davis, minn #1
cats out: wallace, livingston
why: we give a great player for a terrible contract to get the draft pick and a promising starting caliber sf

trade 2:
orl out: vc, daniel orton
cats out: jax, nazr
why: they get the sg/sf they need badly and an expiring center to throw at boston and miami (6 extra fouls and better offense than gortat), we get huge expiring and a young big (not sure if he is good or not yet) (i would prefer anderson in this deal but gotta stay with the 75 cents on the dollar stipulation)

trade 3:
kings out: thompson, whiteside
cats out: dj
why: trade small for big. this deal is one we are pretty sure would go down. i included whiteside because i think they want dj more than we want to trade him.

trade 4:
pacers out: tj ford (ideally dunleavy again 75 cents)
cats out: diaw
why: they are looking for a pf and diaw can fill a need without them giving up core guys, we get salary relief and back up pg for baron)

total: we shed a ton of money and consolidate down to just baron long term. we acquire aminu, orton, thompson and whiteside. we could possibly reflip carter and have him in a salary year. we also pick up a very good draft pick in minn unprotected #1. plus, if we are looking at this from jordan's perspective a starting 5 of:
davis/ford
vc
aminu
tt/thompson
thompson/kwame

isn't absolutely terrible. final move get rid of LB and get a coach that wants to race up and down the floor. baron needs to get in shape, but at least it would be fun to watch offensively and could keep fans interested. offense sells the tickets.

[teej]

There's a better chance of Susan Boyle getting in shape than Baron. Other than that, if we got all those to go down, I'd be fairly happy.

[Fred Williamson]

If they wait, and have a Felton/Wilson/Gallo/Melo/Amar'e lineup with Fields as the 6th man, they'll be the best team in the league.

No. THeir inside D is non-existent and Fields is the best rebounder on that team. What does that tell you?

[Chef]

There's a better chance of Susan Boyle getting in shape than Baron. Other than that, if we got all those to go down, I'd be fairly happy.

at some point being the center of alot of jokes has to has an effect on him. and if, big if, the people of charlotte embrace him for his past it could turn him around mentally. he may end up being worth 8 mil a year. too bad he is being paid 12 though. i really do think all of the trades are real life doable.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=29xjz47

then


http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=29eczy3Your second trade scenario would never happen because Devin Harris is a starting pg and Denver is grooming Ty Lawson to be it's starting pg for the near future. Other than that the trade is alright.

[Absinthe]

at some point being the center of alot of jokes has to has an effect on him. and if, big if, the people of charlotte embrace him for his past it could turn him around mentally. he may end up being worth 8 mil a year. too bad he is being paid 12 though. i really do think all of the trades are real life doable.

No, he's finished. His knees are *still* bad and his conditioning is terrible. He's getting paid and he doesn't care. Their owner has every right to heckle his ass. Golden State fans should be glad he signed with the Clips. If the Bobcats want a player from the Clips that can come in a contribute immediately they should go after Kaman. He was a borderline all star last year and he's a huge step up from Mohammed.

[Chef]

No, he's finished. His knees are *still* bad and his conditioning is terrible. He's getting paid and he doesn't care. Their owner has every right to heckle his ass. Golden State fans should be glad he signed with the Clips. If the Bobcats want a player from the Clips that can come in a contribute immediately they should go after Kaman. He was a borderline all star last year and he's a huge step up from Mohammed.

if rebuilding is the goal, i would rather have baron and his atrocious contract and aminu and the min pick. sit baron for all i care. kaman is always hurt and there is no way we get anything else with him. if we can do kaman and the pick for crash then sure, but the clips laugh us off the phone with that one.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

Never Mind

[Black]

Eh?

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=33662g3

With a few picks added here and there.

[SWedd523]

That actually looks like a deal I could see all teams doing. Add a few lower tier players and some picks and call it a day.

[adam187]

I like a lot of the trades you guys have proposed, especially that Clippers one. On the ESPN comments section about this article a lot of other teams' fans still seem to have high opinions of Crash and Jax. Here's another suggestion, it's actually 2 trades:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2894eu4

Hopefully get a pick from each team, too, but don't get too hopeful.

Edit: Maybe also try and get Gordon Hayward because Utah seems to think he sucks.

[rsxnova]

I like a lot of the trades you guys have proposed, especially that Clippers one. On the ESPN comments section about this article a lot of other teams' fans still seem to have high opinions of Crash and Jax. Here's another suggestion, it's actually 2 trades:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2894eu4

Hopefully get a pick from each team, too, but don't get too hopeful.

Edit: Maybe also try and get Gordon Hayward because Utah seems to think he sucks.

I think its because he does suck.

[adam187]

I think its because he does suck.

Either way, Matt Carrol needs someone to hang out with.

[Marvel]

Eh?

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=33662g3

With a few picks added here and there.


Love it....with the picks thrown in of course.

[Chef]

if my clipper trade doesn't work than do this one instead with all the others too:
out: wallace, carroll, najera
in: gilbert arenas and washington's unprotected #1 pick

why: gilbert can still play and score. have mj challenge him to get his value back up and we will trade him to a contender. there is no reason why he can't light it up here, we won't have any young guards we want playing ahead of him. if not again, consolidate all of our existing salary into his contract and get a potential #1 overall for it.

[Chef]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-magictradetalks121710

just read gilbert might go to orlando. the article guesses gortat and vc out. no effing way that happens. if that happens washington's gm becomes gm of the year. absolutely has to be lewis moving in the deal.

[stun704]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-magictradetalks121710

just read gilbert might go to orlando. the article guesses gortat and vc out. no effing way that happens. if that happens washington's gm becomes gm of the year. absolutely has to be lewis moving in the deal.
Wish we could somehow facilitate in the deal, like send Jax to Washington, we get VC and Gortat, and Magic get Arenas

[Chef]

Wish we could somehow facilitate in the deal, like send Jax to Washington, we get VC and Gortat, and Magic get Arenas

why would washington ever do that? they get out of one of the 5 worst contracts in the league for an expiring and a decent starting caliber center? i don't get it at all. we get assed in every single deal we do and a team like washington somehow gets out of 3 terribly overpriced contracts in less than 1 year plus have a decent young core? this would be like someone calling us and offering to one shitty 3 million expiring and a $3 million dollar decent rotation player for diop.

one more thing, you mean we can't call up orlando and say "don't spend the long term money when jax can give you the same production for 1/3 the cost? and they wouldn't take it? we may even be able to get diop and jax for vc. we should be burning down their phone lines.

[mrtarheel]

I know this may be more than a long shot of trades but it isn't going to hurt to try. Our starters play logjam mins why not beef up the second unit. The first trade is the killer but it gets us a young core while we keep our vets together. Picks would have to be added to make it work

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2blbvrx

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=26jk4nt

This would leave us with a lineup of vets and young guns to even out mins so everyone will be fresh and injuries shouldn't affect us as much

Dj, Livingston, Collins
Jax, Mayo, Carroll
Crash, Beasly, McGuire
TT, Hill,
Kwame, Thompson, Thabeet

Wishful thinking but it could happen as we only go +2 on the first and even on the last while everyone gains or -not much except teams that are not in any type of playoff race the get expirings.

[stun704]

I know this may be more than a long shot of trades but it isn't going to hurt to try. Our starters play logjam mins why not beef up the second unit. The first trade is the killer but it gets us a young core while we keep our vets together. Picks would have to be added to make it work

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2blbvrx

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=26jk4nt

This would leave us with a lineup of vets and young guns to even out mins so everyone will be fresh and injuries shouldn't affect us as much

Dj, Livingston, Collins
Jax, Mayo, Carroll
Crash, Beasly, McGuire
TT, Hill,
Kwame, Thompson, Thabeet

Wishful thinking but it could happen as we only go +2 on the first and even on the last while everyone gains or -not much except teams that are not in any type of playoff race the get expirings. The sad thing is McGuire would still get 30+ minutes despite that solid young core.

[jdub28]

The Magic and Suns just did VC, Gortat, Pietrus and a 1st rounder for J-Rich, Hedo, and Earl Clark.

I know the Magic love Hedo but if they are looking to add 3pt shooting and defense wouldn't Jax, Crash and D. Brown be the better deal? How do trades this big go down without hearing that the Bobcats have at least made an offer?

Edit: I know that the Magic would have had to take Carrol or Diop too for salary reasons but I would have still jumped on that even without the 1st rd pick

[SWedd523]

Because they rarely, if ever, release information about other teams making an offer?



Multiple teams make multiple offers, then the host team chooses the best one. In articles, they won't say: Well the Bobcats offered this and this, and the Cavs offered this and this, but the Magic thought this guy was better than that one so they went with that offer, but wanted a pick even though that team....................

Way too convoluted.

[Scottley Crue]

The Magic and Suns just did VC, Gortat, Pietrus and a 1st rounder for J-Rich, Hedo, and Earl Clark.

I know the Magic love Hedo but if they are looking to add 3pt shooting and defense wouldn't Jax, Crash and D. Brown be the better deal? How do trades this big go down without hearing that the Bobcats have at least made an offer?

Just because it wasn't heard doesn't mean they didn't make an offer. Bonnell's article said they had talked with 15 to 20 teams about Jack and Crash, so they easily could have talked with Orlando and Phoenix. Seriously...not every single word of every single trade discussion is put out in public, so we don't really know what went down. Not picking on you specifically, but it's become a pet peeve of mine that when any trade not involving the Bobcats goes down, this place lights up with complaints about the Bobcats supposedly just sitting there looking at the action. We don't know what all went down, what was offered or if the other team(s) are interested (kind of a big deal there). I shall now step off my soapbox and let BCP return to it's regularly scheduled programing.

[Chef]

The Magic and Suns just did VC, Gortat, Pietrus and a 1st rounder for J-Rich, Hedo, and Earl Clark.

I know the Magic love Hedo but if they are looking to add 3pt shooting and defense wouldn't Jax, Crash and D. Brown be the better deal? How do trades this big go down without hearing that the Bobcats have at least made an offer?

Edit: I know that the Magic would have had to take Carrol or Diop too for salary reasons but I would have still jumped on that even without the 1st rd pick

this trade makes too much sense for either team to say no. j-rich is the perfect 2 guard on an expiring for them. if you are orlando, why commit to jax long term when you can rent j-rich this year for vc. hedo at first light is sketchy but for the money you are paying gortat long term and the production you are getting for him, you are better off with hedo (more than 1/2 price minus gortat's salary) and hedo makes them better. earl clark on this team may end up being more than salary filler. also, if the rumors about gilbert going there are true, it looks like they will be running a lineup of:
jameer/arenas
jrich/arenas/jj
hedo/jrich/not sure
bass/hedo
howard

all in all i think their gm would get an A for "right the ship" moves that actually helped the team.
pretty stout in the back court, we may be getting a call about a center. probably nazr but i suspect we could swap out diop and hendo to them for jj if we really wanted to.

[Marvel]

Oh hell no that's bullshit, a trade like this goes down and what is MJ doing........playing golf again.

[mrtarheel]

Could Steve Nash put up a fuss and want out of Phx since everyone has left now?

[Chef]

Could Steve Nash put up a fuss and want out of Phx since everyone has left now?

sure, but he won't

[spankymoore7]

Sounds like Orlando will have a ton of point guards (Arenas, Duhon, Nelson, Williams) and a lack of front court depth with losing Gortat and Lewis. Any possibility they would be interested in a trade involving Diaw and Nelson?

[WAM9]

Oh hell no that's bullshit, a trade like this goes down and what is MJ doing........playing golf again.

There is plenty to bitch about with the Bobcats but this simply isn't a fair statement. I read that both trades (Wash and Phoe) were almost a year in the making. We have no idea how involved we were in these talks but it surely isn't like it happened over a 4 hour period.

[Marvel]

^ I was being sar-Cat-ic.

[Marvel]

A trade for expirings: link not working so:

Charlotte out:

Diaw

Golden State out

Radmanovich
B Wright

[rsxnova]

I think we should call Pho about their new assets.

[Chef]

I think we should call Pho about their new assets.

the only one we would want would be gortat and they need him more than we do. they are signifying a rebuild and probably wont want diaw and jax for vc.

[rsxnova]

the only one we would want would be gortat and they need him more than we do. they are signifying a rebuild and probably wont want diaw and jax for vc.

Depends on if they are trying to keep Nash or not. They may be interested in guys like Wallace and Jax to make a quick fix playoff team.

[Proudiddy]

I don't know how much more of this season I can stomach. That's two trades in a week invovling 6 teams that we could've used pieces from and didn't get anything... Our front office sucks.

I can't wait to hear how we trade our franchise's best player for Jerome James, wherever he is.

[Chef]

Depends on if they are trying to keep Nash or not. They may be interested in guys like Wallace and Jax to make a quick fix playoff team.

they are definitely keeping nash and wallace isn't worth vc's expiring. so unless they want to do a jax/nazr for vc type deal (at this point, i think we keep diaw for later deals or next year as an expiring). we don't anything else they have. remember they are team of small forwards and soft centers who are all way overpaid.

[teej]

Let's recap this: Since the Lakers took home the Finals trophy, the 'Cats have chased hard after Melo, CP3, Gil Arenas, and Chauncey, and have been rumored to be chasing Rip, Jason Thompson and/or Carl Landry, and some other players. And yet we have dumbfucks on here crying "on noes MJ do somethingsss!!!! omg!!! we suck!!!"

I know a lot more people in the F.O. than you guys, and I don't know shit about most of who they're going after. All I know is this: MJ and Rod have been working their asses off trying to make a trade. But, unlike LB, they understand the concept of value. Washington wouldn't take back Diop and Carroll, which is what MJ needed to justify making a trade for Arenas. And Orlando wasn't going to take Jack for Vince when they could get J-Rich to help a messed up cap future.

I know half of you don't understand the concept of patience, but chill out. Sometimes (most of the time) making a rash move isn't the best idea. This front office has prided itself on picking up low value items (Naz, J-Rich, Tyrus, Jack, Theo, Livingston, Flip, etc.) that are worth more than what is paid. Judging by the Magic giving up a starter on a team that made the Finals two years ago and has a shorter contract than Arenas, I'd say Gil wasn't as low value as we thought. And Vince/J-Rich was an even swap of expirings, and Gortat (for Orlando) was a bad contract so Hedo (who may well thrive back in O-town) was an excusable acquistion money-wise. Plus they got Earl Clark out of it for a 26, 27, or 28th overall pick. Not nearly the low value trade Rod wants to make.

Grow up.

[gforce33]

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5168/5273573516_626d223c7f_b.jpg


so

CHA : Farmar , Ben Gordan , Diaw/Afflalo , Harrigton , Nazr

NYK : Felton , Jax , W.Chandler , Gallinari , Amare

DEN : Billups , JR , Melo , GW , NENE




just for fun
lol:biggrin:

[Plowright]

well said Teej, i agree with everything you said, we gotta feel out the market, get an idea what our pieces are worth etc. http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=28ka3vt Any possibility this happens? Or something along those lines? change radman for another piece maybe

[ammofan]

well said Teej, i agree with everything you said, we gotta feel out the market, get an idea what our pieces are worth etc. http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=28ka3vt Any possibility this happens? Or something along those lines? change radman for another piece maybe

I wouldnt do taht in a million years. I would be quite pissed about that deal.

[Scottley Crue]

I gotta disagree with you on this one, Ammofan. I'd love to get Lee in here. With him, you'd have the center spot well represented for a good while. I don't think Golden State goes for this, but I'd jump on it if they would.

[Marvel]

Who is David Lee going to stop at center....ahhhhhh NOBODY. My major peeve in basketball is players playing out of position. Lee is 6'9, an undersized starting center is an understatement. Lee is already a poor/average defender at pf, he's even worse guarding centers. He's got 6 years remaining on his contract worth $80 mil, MJ isn't going to make a move for that nonsense, after he's invested $40 mil in Tyrus.

[ammofan]

I gotta disagree with you on this one, Ammofan. I'd love to get Lee in here. With him, you'd have the center spot well represented for a good while. I don't think Golden State goes for this, but I'd jump on it if they would.

So we trade 2 of our starters, including our only All Star for a good starting center and trash? I dont think so....

[Plowright]

Dorrel wright is trash??? He is averaging 15 ppg 6 rebounds and 3 assists, i know its GSW but still, and is on an awsome contract. Radmanovich is an expiring which is why i put him in the deal

[ohara831]

Charl out/ Portland in: DJ, Crash and Najera
Portland out/Charl in: Batum, Miller and Przybilla

Roy wants Miller gone for another PG who will let Roy do a lot of the ball handling. That is DJ. They also get Crash. Charlotte gets a solid PG and a young athletic SF as well as the $7 million expiring of Przybilla. On the ESPN Trade machine, gave us a +8 in wins.

[Chef]

Charl out/ Portland in: DJ, Crash and Najera
Portland out/Charl in: Batum, Miller and Przybilla

Roy wants Miller gone for another PG who will let Roy do a lot of the ball handling. That is DJ. They also get Crash. Charlotte gets a solid PG and a young athletic SF as well as the $7 million expiring of Przybilla. On the ESPN Trade machine, gave us a +8 in wins.

very realistic and could possibly happen. not sure that there is better value out there for miller though. if jordan sticks with larry this trade must get done. miller is the tough veteran point that would get larry back into the season.

[Scottley Crue]

So we trade 2 of our starters, including our only All Star for a good starting center and trash? I dont think so....

I don't think Wright is trash and I really like David Lee. It's much, much harder to find a very talented big guy than it is to find a very talented wing. I'd absolutely trade Crash to get an All-Star center. I don't particularly want to trade two starters, but to get Lee and a nice addition in Wright, I would. I guess I just value Lee more than most, I suppose.

[Chef]

I don't think Wright is trash and I really like David Lee. It's much, much harder to find a very talented big guy than it is to find a very talented wing. I'd absolutely trade Crash to get an All-Star center. I don't particularly want to trade two starters, but to get Lee and a nice addition in Wright, I would. I guess I just value Lee more than most, I suppose.

don't think the trade would ever happen but if it did, we would probably have to trade tyrus in the deal or move him later. tyrus is too highly paid and they really can't be on the floor together if there is a quality center on the court. i know most on here would not want to do that but it ultimately would not work out. unless we turned into a small running team like nyk or gsw but we all know that really doesn't work as far as basketball in june.

[Ghost Kat]

Blasphemy!!!!

[teej]

lolno. That's terrible.

[spectre]

Charl out/ Portland in: DJ, Crash and Najera
Portland out/Charl in: Batum, Miller and Przybilla

Roy wants Miller gone for another PG who will let Roy do a lot of the ball handling. That is DJ. They also get Crash. Charlotte gets a solid PG and a young athletic SF as well as the $7 million expiring of Przybilla. On the ESPN Trade machine, gave us a +8 in wins.

I offered up something similar in the Crash/Jax being shopped thread:


Don't you figure Andre Miller would be involved in any Portland deal assuming this is a "save the season" type of trade? Supposedly Roy has went to his FO asking for them to trade Miller.

I'm thinking something like Prz/Miller/Batum for Crash/Nazr/DJ, but that's probably too good for us.

Tho I obviously like yours more I always assume trades will always be worse from our POV than what we all figure is fair.

[ohara831]

LOL! I just read that on the other thread. And here I was thinking I was being original. Beat me to the punch my friend! We may in fact have to swap Nazr for Najera, but I hope not. I like keeping that expiring. But I really think that a deal like that helps both sides and really is fair to both teams. Batum has a lot of room to grow,and his youth and inexpensive contract are a plus,y and I feel Crash has seen his ceiling. And I cannot help but worry that another concussion or other injury will only seriously degrade his trade value. I like Miller as a solid PG. And I really like getting rid of Najera's contract and getting that Przybilla expiring. I would really like that. And that frees us up to consider a Jax deal to Chicago if we can land back our 2012 1st rounder and something else really nice. They may in fact be willing to add in THEIR 2011 1st if they feel that Jax can be the difference in getting them a higher seed in the playoffs. But that is for another discussion.

I know there are people who think we can do better with a trade of Crash than this, but I am not so sure. I mean, this alone frees up $10 mil at season's end with just losing Najera and Przybilla. And couple that with other expirings like Nazr, and this team can start to did itself out of this financial mess in which it currently finds itself. And that has to matter to MJ. Free up some money so he can talk face to face with a FA and tell them he has the Cap space to sign them here. This may not be a perfect solution, but it is a whole lot better than the mess we are in right now. Right now, we stink and have no cap space at all and contracts around our necks. Sometimes you have to take a lateral step or even a small step back today to find yourself with much better options tomorrow.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

Charl out/ Portland in: DJ, Crash and Najera
Portland out/Charl in: Batum, Miller and Przybilla

Roy wants Miller gone for another PG who will let Roy do a lot of the ball handling. That is DJ. They also get Crash. Charlotte gets a solid PG and a young athletic SF as well as the $7 million expiring of Przybilla. On the ESPN Trade machine, gave us a +8 in wins.Ohara if this trade gives us 8 wins, how far does this trade set back Portland?

I like the trade machine but it really does not do much for me in it's projections of how many wins or losses each team gains or loses. That aside I really like this trade scenario. It is the most realistic I have seen to date. I hope a trade like this goes down cause at this time something has to get done.

[dav7z]

With Wall hurt and out the Wizzards are despret for a back up point . Thoughts on Livingston for either J Howard or Thorton for Livingston . Washington is big on Livingston ?

[dav7z]

Orlando is looking for a big 5 to 10 mins a game

Charlotte out Diop 2 years Collins
Orlando out Duhan 3 years Q Richardson 2 years

They get a back up big and take on Diops contract .We get a conpetive bcck up point and a back up 2-3 and take on Duhans and Q Richardsons contracts Both will be little use to Orlando now.

[SWedd523]

I posted something similar to you guys (spectre and ohara) a couple of days ago as well.


I'm on my phone so I can't tell if these salaries work out, but I think a fair deal is Andre/Batum/Gorilla for Crash/Nazr/UPS.

We all have the same incoming but differ slightly on the outgoing. I think in any discussions we'd start with something similar to ohara's, take a bad contract out like mine, then finally go for spectre's.

[spectre]

I posted something similar to you guys (spectre and ohara) a couple of days ago as well.



We all have the same incoming but differ slightly on the outgoing. I think in any discussions we'd start with something similar to ohara's, take a bad contract out like mine, then finally go for spectre's.

Nah...we don't get screwed enough with mine. Add in Hendo and/or UPS and that will be the deal. :facepalm:

Seriously tho...

I realize Prz has been hurt, but I'd be very happy to acquire his Bird Rights and I'd be looking to re-up him. Batum is basically a younger Crash with a better shot...just not so dynamic...and Miller would add a world of help to our confidence and overall play offensively on the court.

They've been after Crash for years too.

[Chef]

i wonder if there is any way to get harden from okc? i imagine the only discussion point would be crash, but that would mean kd slides to sg and thebo is off the bench. not sure that would be in their plans. i think he can and will be a better sg than mayo eventually. i think he is the type of player that needs to start to really be in the game.

[spectre]

i wonder if there is any way to get harden from okc? i imagine the only discussion point would be crash, but that would mean kd slides to sg and thebo is off the bench. not sure that would be in their plans. i think he can and will be a better sg than mayo eventually. i think he is the type of player that needs to start to really be in the game.

I've not seen him a lot, but from the times I have seen him he's looked really passive to me.

[SWedd523]

I was one of the very first people on the Harden Bandwagon, going all the way back to his Freshman year at Zona St.

Good at everything. Can handle the ball, can spot up, can pull up, can defend, can pass, very underrated athlete for some reason even though he can:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yze5SIBrwbk

ON YOUR HEAD



And he even has a beard that would get Beagle back happy with the Cats.




I would trade anybody on the roster for Harden. They can have him. Maybe they want Jack to have some reliable "go to scoring"?

[ohara831]

Ohara if this trade gives us 8 wins, how far does this trade set back Portland?

I like the trade machine but it really does not do much for me in it's projections of how many wins or losses each team gains or loses. That aside I really like this trade scenario. It is the most realistic I have seen to date. I hope a trade like this goes down cause at this time something has to get done.

It gave Charlotte +8 and gave Portland -7. And I cannot believe that is hardly due to Najera and Przybilla. That tells you something right there.

[Chef]

here's one idea:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2fec44k, only works if okc is up for a risk to get competitive with lakers in june and port goes for a rebuid aroubd roy and aldridge.

here's another:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=26setxo
this one is messy, just to make it work had to add lots of players. tried to keep it to role players outside of the obvious. one's i am not sure are throw ins and could be too good: butler and cook.

[Black]

here's one idea:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2fec44k, only works if okc is up for a risk to get competitive with lakers in june and port goes for a rebuid aroubd roy and aldridge.

here's another:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=26setxo
this one is messy, just to make it work had to add lots of players. tried to keep it to role players outside of the obvious. one's i am not sure are throw ins and could be too good: butler and cook.

First trade leaves us really thin at point guard, second one leaves us really thin at center.

[dav7z]

With Childress on the block .

Would any one hear consider this
PHENIX OUT Childress and R Lopez
Charlotte out Carroll, Najira, Henderson

Could we take on Childess 4 year bad contract to rid some of our trash , Lopez might turn into something and Childress would make a solid back up .

I know this is a low level trade but i think Phenix jumps on it to save long term money. THOUGHTS
http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/70672/20101219/suns_now_shopping_childress/

[Chef]

First trade leaves us really thin at point guard, second one leaves us really thin at center.

all trades assume further deals for rebuilding not patching together a 7 or 8 seed for this year

[GoBobs]

I traded Jax and DJ for Nash

[fallen xxi]

http://www.frombearcreek.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/WTF.jpg
...ew.

[Twan's Kin]

This is from bleacher-report --

"Someone needs to move: Boris Diaw, Gerald Wallace, Stephen Jackson, anybody.
This just ain't workin' out.

Bring in a Steve Nash and move D.J. Augustin over to shooting guard, or bring in Carmelo and dump Gerald Wallace (whose effort on the court has come into question), and you have yourself a playoff team.

Coach Larry Brown doesn't get along with a lot of players, but Steve Nash wouldn't be one of them."

[Absinthe]

Larry Brown would rip Nash's head off because he doesn't play defense. Besides, they're not going to trade Nash. He's a good mentor to Dragic, he's liked in the community, people get tickets to watch him play, and he's going to be an expiring in a couple of years. He's not going anywhere.

[dav7z]

Would still like to pick up Young and Thorton . DJ , or Livingston could get it done i think . Even though we got blowed out they still in big need of a back up point . They loved Livingston last season . That could be two very good young core pieces . Both would be like loto picks/

[Chef]

Larry Brown would rip Nash's head off because he doesn't play defense. Besides, they're not going to trade Nash. He's a good mentor to Dragic, he's liked in the community, people get tickets to watch him play, and he's going to be an expiring in a couple of years. He's not going anywhere.

and the most obvious reason. we have nothing they want to trade for.

[winthropbobcat]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=ApecKTnHKDvE5avZu4o_2IC8vLYF?slug=aw-anthonytalks122110


No specifics yet, but wonder if we are involved, I would imagine we HAVE to be.

[ohara831]

If we are, I pray that we are not getting screwed over. Fine if Melo goes to NJ, just as long as what we send out and bring in helps us.

[Mustachio]

If we are, I pray that we are not getting screwed over. Fine if Melo goes to NJ, just as long as what we send out and bring in helps us.


ha. i hear ya, but at this point how could we possibly get screwed? How could it get any worse, bring in new pieces and get beat by Washington by 35? sell em all, I say. start with that corpse of a coach.

[dnbman]

The article suggests more teams are involved to bring more talent TO NJ with Melo. I'm not sure how we could be involved in a way that would get us anything of value in return, especially considering NJ's picks would likely go to Denver. Plus, our best piece that Melo would value-- Gerald Wallace-- plays the same position as Melo. Maybe Stephen Jackson could be headed there, but, again, who would we get back to make it work financially?

The only thing I could see is if we have Wallace going to Denver in some package that gets us one of NJ's picks. Otherwise, I'm not sure we benefit from being involved.

[Mustachio]

again... how could we not benefit?

[ND22]

again... how could we not benefit?

If we get stuck with Birdman.

[dnbman]

again... how could we not benefit?

If we trade the few assets we have for mediocre talent with bad contracts just to say we did something, we could definitely not benefit. Imagine a trade of DJ, Hendo, and UPS that netted us Sasha and Humphries.

As bad as things are, we still need to get value for what we have, which isn't to say we're aiming for superstars or anything like that. We just need to be smart. Of course, one part of that is figuring out what direction we're going: fix on the fly or rebuild?

[spectre]

I'm thinking some kind of Crash/Harris swap, and possibly Anderson too.

I also think Rip is probably in our future as well.

[Mustachio]

yeah i know what you guys are saying. I want to keep the youth as well. if we got Sasha and Humphries for our "prospects"... TWC is going to have a revolt on its hands. I say trade anyone over 8 million dollars or 31 years of age. except Tyrus of course.
None of this matters with Larry Brown as the coach. He doesnt care, and nothing pisses me off more.

there is no fix on the fly. I find it hard to get value for what we have, when we have no value. Who would want Gerald Wallace? Stephen Jackson. In my opinion we would be lucky to get Birdman in return.

[Chef]

I'm thinking some kind of Crash/Harris swap, and possibly Anderson too.

I also think Rip is probably in our future as well.

i think that would be it for me. not sure i would stick around.

[Chef]

only way i entertain rip is something like this
nazr and diop for rip, ben wallace and #1 top 3 protected (unprotected next year)

[ohara831]

i think that would be it for me. not sure i would stick around.

Oh sure you would. We are all family here. You pick your friends, but not your family. You'll be here as long as BCP is here. Merry Christmas, and may there be a Rip Hamilton wrapped up under your Christmas tree when you awake on Saturday!

[spectre]

only way i entertain rip is something like this
nazr and diop for rip, ben wallace and #1 top 3 protected (unprotected next year)

It might even be possible to do Carroll & Gana for Rip. The fans on Detroit RGM don't really like that idea but most would be ok with it.

[Chef]

Oh sure you would. We are all family here. You pick your friends, but not your family. You'll be here as long as BCP is here. Merry Christmas, and may there be a Rip Hamilton wrapped up under your Christmas tree when you awake on Saturday!

fine! but i will be upstairs pouting in my room.

[Chef]

It might even be possible to do Carroll & Gana for Rip. The fans on Detroit RGM don't really like that idea but most would be ok with it.

if we do that than ok. they would do it now that he is a bitching distraction, if they wouldn't their actual gm would. they will be lucky to move him without losing a first now. next trade would have to be the portland trade mentioned here for wallace. then we would have to find jax a home somewhere for a center. i would also move tyrus. he is at maximum value now. i don't think he will ever be worth his future salary.

[spectre]

if we do that than ok. they would do it now that he is a bitching distraction, if they wouldn't their actual gm would. they will be lucky to move him without losing a first now. next trade would have to be the portland trade mentioned here for wallace. then we would have to find jax a home somewhere for a center. i would also move tyrus. he is at maximum value now. i don't think he will ever be worth his future salary.

Tyrus would be pure hell to move because he's BYC. Unless we find a taker under the cap the trade would have to be huge to cover the difference (BYC - basically Tyrus' salary only counts as half going out, but fully going in...making it very difficult to get within the 125% + 100k rule).

[Chef]

Tyrus would be pure hell to move because he's BYC. Unless we find a taker under the cap the trade would have to be huge to cover the difference (BYC - basically Tyrus' salary only counts as half going out, but fully going in...making it very difficult to get within the 125% + 100k rule).

that means either of the tpe teams cle, toronto, minn could take him but don't really need him. laker's could do it if we took back walton in the deal...yeah probably would have to wait unless we get a tpe in a jax/crash/diaw deal.

[spectre]

that means either of the tpe teams cle, toronto, minn could take him but don't really need him. laker's could do it if we took back walton in the deal...yeah probably would have to wait unless we get a tpe in a jax/crash/diaw deal.

I did forget NJ was the team we were worrying about a poison contract offer and why we had to give him that huge sum up front. I guess another team could be involved where NJ gets their TE and deals that for Tyrus.

As big as this deal is supposed to be I guess I should never say "never".

[BlockParty]

Sherron Collins just got recalled from The development league, to be available tonight against OKC...so, that would lend itself to meaning DJ or Liv are involved, or 3-4 other bobcats and we just need a warm body.

[DirtyU11]

Possible Scenario?

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=29hrfu3

I was just messing around with the trade machine but I think something close to this is whats in the works

Reasonalbe trade to make??

[Chef]

Possible Scenario?

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=29hrfu3

I was just messing around with the trade machine but I think something close to this is whats in the works

Reasonalbe trade to make??

my guess would be this but swap out our two out for crash plus one of nj's better picks headed our way.

[Chef]

i just realized how misleading this title is. there isn't even a proposed trade yet.

[G-Force]

Sherron Collins just got recalled from The development league, to be available tonight against OKC...so, that would lend itself to meaning DJ or Liv are involved, or 3-4 other bobcats and we just need a warm body.

How the F did Collins not get waived, now he's fully guarantee!

Here's hoping for us to get involve but I wouldn't be surprise if we're left in the cold again.

[ohara831]

i just realized how misleading this title is. there isn't even a proposed trade yet.

True, but that Russian billionaire is behind this. And if the Russian mafia wants something done, it will get done. That, or Melo will have his kneecaps removed surgically, without anesthesia.

[spectre]

How the F did Collins not get waived, now he's fully guarantee!

I thought that date wasn't til next year?

If we did let him get fully guaranteed then that is yet another MJ Lollipop moment.

Dude couldn't even cut it in the D-League. :facepalm:

[G-Force]

Collins contract becomes guaranteed as of Dec. 14, per Espn insider article.

Our FO is hopeless...

[IshHappens]

If Melo REALLY wants out of Denver, I think there's only one possible solution:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2d5ly9k

[Marvel]

MJ.....where "it could/does get worse" happens

[Absinthe]

What Portland trade are you guys referring to?

Also, I pray they don't trade for Harris. He's inconsistent and injury prone.

[Chef]

What Portland trade are you guys referring to?

Also, I pray they don't trade for Harris. He's inconsistent and injury prone.

just from our trade board: something like miller/pryz/batum for wallace/dj ish. not real, based on miller wanting out, batum on the block and they liking wallace. sorry for the confusion.

[Absinthe]

I do that in a heartbeat. No questions asked. In fact, I'd be pretty excited if that trade went down. Miller is a step up from DJ, Pryz would add more size and is probably better than Mohammed, and Batum is a young player that can step in and replace Crash.

[dnbman]

I do that in a heartbeat. No questions asked. In fact, I'd be pretty excited if that trade went down. Miller is a step up from DJ, Pryz would add more size and is probably better than Mohammed, and Batum is a young player that can step in and replace Crash.

I wouldn't care if Pryz adding anything. I see Miller as a conductor who can get our players in sync. Batum has impressed me since being a teenager. I think he still has big things on the horizon. Let's do it!

[BobCatsFanInTx]

To say our players have NO value is a joke. Sure this season none of our players have done much to show value but many of them are the same players that are one year removed from a 44 game winning record and a playoff appearance. To say players like Crash, Jax and even Diaw have no value is really selling our players short. Those are really the only players I feel have much value but based off of LAST season I think they have more value than you know. Especially Crash. Nobody who is watching our team thinks that our only problem is our talent. Many know there are other factors involved "Larry Brown" that play into us getting blown out by 30+ multiple times in a short period of time. Other than TC and Raymond Felton being our biggest contributors who left this team is basically the same as the 44 game winning team. No matter what value our players get back in return we are destined to make the lottery. Larry Brown will still be head coach.

[dav7z]

Sherron Collins just got recalled from The development league, to be available tonight against OKC...so, that would lend itself to meaning DJ or Liv are involved, or 3-4 other bobcats and we just need a warm body.

Ive just got a feeling it might be Livingston and a 2nd for N Young
I agree with Spectre about Halmington ending up hear .
Nazz , Hammer , Najera for B Wallace , Halmington
Jackson sent off to NJ. for A first and expirings or Harris
Right now Rips value is real low it might be a steal thair , Im real big on N Young and Washington loves Livingston and is despret for a point.
With Rip and Young JAX is expendable and would fit well with Mello , Borris Could be added and we might be able to get Billups and Birdman

Billups , DJ, Collins
Halmington , N Young, Hendo
Wallace, UPS, McGUIRE
T T , Birdman,
Wallace ,Birdman , Brown, Diop

[Ghost Kat]

Our FO is hopeless...

This answers all questions

[Proudiddy]

Per rotoworld:


Devin Harris: Harris will be part of Melo trade?
Devin Harris - G - NJ - Dec. 22 - 9:59 am et

The New York Daily News is speculating that Devin Harris could land in Charlotte as part of a potential Carmelo Anthony trade.
The Nuggets don't want Harris, but the Nets have to get rid of him to make the salaries work. So a third team will need to be brought in, and the Bobcats tried to trade for Harris earlier this season. D.J. Augustin is falling off as the Bobcats have sunk to 9-19, so you can feel a shakeup coming. Augustin owners should probably be trying to sell for a discount right now. Dec. 22 - 9:59 am et
Source: New York Daily News

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=NBA&id=1045&line=147411&spln=1

I don't really see what we'd be sending out, and I'm not sure Harris will make that big of a difference. Maybe if we can send Jack out and get Nene back along with Harris, we may have a coup. I haven't looked at the salaries though. But, at this point, I'll take whatever deal we can get that brings back a producer like Harris.

[ND22]

I think he is better than DJ, not by a wide margin though. I don't think he'd turn things around for us but we would be better. He would be a good piece to center around the future though.

[ohara831]

As much as I like DJ, Harris is an upgrade. No question about it. It is the other parts of any " potential trade" that makes me nervous.

[Ghost Kat]

The problem with team has isn't at PG. If this rumor is still alive it's all Larry Brown's fault. He's never happy with anything.....except centers that are too old, PF thats are to fat and dont play defense....and Random McGuire. Trade LB

[GoBobs]

At this point the worst thing about losing DJ would be losing BallWhore from the forums.

[Scottley Crue]

The problem with team has isn't at PG. If this rumor is still alive it's all Larry Brown's fault. He's never happy with anything.....except centers that are too old, PF thats are to fat and dont play defense....and Random McGuire. Trade LB

There's several problems with this team, that's for sure. But I'm going to have to disagree that PG isn't one of them. DJ has certainly improved over last year, but he just isn't initiating any offense. I know he doesn't have a treasure trove to work with, but he's not showing the ability to create for others. For a team like this, the PG needs to be able to do that. I believe Harris can do that and would welcome him.

[spectre]

God yes.

He's somewhat frail, but I'd love to have him.

[ohara831]

ESPN Insider is also talking about the Harris to Charlotte deal being rekindled. Said unidentified Nets were talked to about their future before the games on Tuesday, so perhaps it is going to happen. Over on RGM, BigSlam is saying he is hearing of another deal being looked into, but is not saying who this player is at this time. Getting Harris would be an improvement, but if we make a 2nd trade and have 2 new starters, that is a significant change. And a significant change is exactly what is needed. The next 7 games are somewhat winnable, and if this team is going to make a turn around and get back into the discussion as a Playoff team, we need to win them all. And a shakeup could be exactly what gets the ball rolling.

[spectre]

It's not too late; I'm pretty sure we're within a couple of games of having the same record we started out with last year.

I so wish we could pick up Harris for the crumbs we were rumored to be parting with last time around. That ships' already sailed most likely tho.

With the way this current group has played I'm with you O'hara...shake this bad boy all the way up.

[ohara831]

Having Harris as a starting PG would be nice, and I can live with our current backups. So I expect DJ would be gone. My next thought is, who could Slam be hearing about that the FO is interested in and discussing? Preferably it would be a good starting Center, but to get one, that means we lose either Jax, Crash or Diaw. That is merely robbing Peter to give to Paul and creates a new hole. Very interesting times.

[G-Force]

A few quotes a found about Harris to Charlotte rumor:


The Nuggets don't want Harris, but the Bobcats may still have interest, especially since head coach Larry Brown is not thrilled with any of his point guards, including D.J. Augustin.

According to the New York Daily News an Eastern Conference general manager speculated that Brown would renew talks with the Nets regarding Harris.


Al Iannazzone of the Bergen Record reported that Nets coach Avery Johnson talked with "certain players" about their futures on Tuesday before New Jersey's game against the Grizzlies -- one of those being Harris.

So there might be a big chance Harris to Bobcats could happen. I do really like DJ, but at this point Harris is an upgrade. I just hope we can retain DJ in the process and use him as a backup.

[Chef]

this is only good if the nuggets want diaw or a combo of nazr and carroll or najera. if not it means we are giving up crash in this deal. i don't see denver wanting jax's contract. if that is the case, there better be much more coming back.

[spectre]

I'd like to keep Boris if we're trading for Harris. He's not really a setup guard either but more like DJ should be (meaning aggressive/go to scorer).

[ammofan]

If we give up Gerald I want Billups not Harris. But I would think we would probbaly be dealing Diaw and then Gerald or Jack in a separate deal. Just my opinion IDK...

[spectre]

Would you guys do Jax for Harris?

[ammofan]

Would you guys do Jax for Harris?

No.......then we have no starting 2

[Chef]

Would you guys do Jax for Harris?

in a nano second. then use gerald, dj, diaw for other pieces. i would rather have miller, batum for gerald from portland than harris anyway. not thrilled with harris. too injury prone. but he would add scoring which we need.

[WAM9]

Would you guys do Jax for Harris?

Absolutely!

[spectre]

in a nano second. then use gerald, dj, diaw for other pieces. i would rather have miller, batum for gerald from portland than harris anyway. not thrilled with harris. too injury prone. but he would add scoring which we need.

I'm with you. Jax has little to no value by himself...so if we can turn him into something that has value in a mega trade IMO you have to do it. We have other pieces we can turn into a SG.

Funny thing about that Portland idea; I was looking on the trade board (RGM) and someone put up a TI of Monta/Biedrens for Miller/Prz/Batum...and they got overwhelmingly massacred for it. I love Monta Ellis, but last I'd read Biedrens is a negative contract...pretty much Okafor Part II. From what they were all saying that Portland package isn't worth very much at all.

Maybe we could get that package PLUS something else decent for Crash?

[WAM9]

I traded Jax and DJ for Nash

Now that I would do in a heartbeat!

[STH since Day 1]

Devin Harris, Brevan Knight,,,,anybody but DJ! I mean one assist last night,,,,REALLY from our starting PG. Also JAX ain't goin nowhere.no one wants that egotistical malcontent....Rod Higgins has been workin his tail off trying to move him and NO ONE WANTS HIM!!! I'd love to see Detroit come in here and have Rip Hamilton and Stuckey switch uniforms with JAX and DJ just to get two guys in here with energy that run on offense,,,not stand around waiting on LB to call a play from the sidelines.


http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=NBA&id=1045&line=147411&spln=1

I don't really see what we'd be sending out, and I'm not sure Harris will make that big of a difference. Maybe if we can send Jack out and get Nene back along with Harris, we may have a coup. I haven't looked at the salaries though. But, at this point, I'll take whatever deal we can get that brings back a producer like Harris.[/QUOTE]

[STH since Day 1]

Brevan Knight coming out of retirement would be an upgrade from DJ. Our starting point guard had 1 assist last night; he stand around waiting for LB to call a play. He doesn't know how to run an offense. Also, you don't have to worry about any trade....Rod Higgins has been busting his butt for a month...................we have no one of trade value except Gerald. He can't GIVE JAX AWAY; nobody wants the malcontent. He is a cancer everywhere he has gone.

[ohara831]

With all the Devin Harris speculation, I was hoping BallWhore would be able to give us some insight as I imagine DJ would likely be on the move.

[BRNC]

I'd think at this point the Nets and Nuggets would trade directly...then do seperate deals if they wanted to...I'm not convinced (any more) that they need other teams as facilitators...just MO...

[Double Trouble]

I like the idea of getting Harris. We need to shake things up and make a trade to improve our team. But getting Harris does not improve the Bobcats that much. I have trade that could address two areas of need for the Bobcats, center and point guard. What about a three team trade that involves Sacramento and New Jersey. The trade gives New Jersey and Sacramento salary cap space. I checked it out on ESPN trade machine and it works (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2bzgrja).

Charlotte:
Devin Harris
Jason Thomas

New Jersey:
DJ Augustine
Boris Diaw

Sacramento:
Troy Murphy

[Chef]

I'm with you. Jax has little to no value by himself...so if we can turn him into something that has value in a mega trade IMO you have to do it. We have other pieces we can turn into a SG.

Funny thing about that Portland idea; I was looking on the trade board (RGM) and someone put up a TI of Monta/Biedrens for Miller/Prz/Batum...and they got overwhelmingly massacred for it. I love Monta Ellis, but last I'd read Biedrens is a negative contract...pretty much Okafor Part II. From what they were all saying that Portland package isn't worth very much at all.

Maybe we could get that package PLUS something else decent for Crash?

yeah, supposedly batum's value isn't as high as it should be. but real gm is a terrible barometer for value. the various fans all over value their own players. anyway, i would take harris (if we got him) and send him to sac for either of these two packages. beno, thompson, 2011 #1 top 3 protected or thompson, cassipi, #1 2012 lotto protected.

[DirtyU11]

I know this trade has a .0000001% chance of happening, but what our the opinions of you guys if something along these lines goes down?

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=23ohwm3

[ammofan]

I know this trade has a .0000001% chance of happening, but what our the opinions of you guys if something along these lines goes down?

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=23ohwm3

I would do that yeah....but as u said, no chance that happens

[ammofan]

Brevan Knight coming out of retirement would be an upgrade from DJ. Our starting point guard had 1 assist last night; he stand around waiting for LB to call a play. He doesn't know how to run an offense. Also, you don't have to worry about any trade....Rod Higgins has been busting his butt for a month...................we have no one of trade value except Gerald. He can't GIVE JAX AWAY; nobody wants the malcontent. He is a cancer everywhere he has gone.

How do u know Rod's been busting his but the last month?

[BRNC]

I'd agree with you...^^^...except I'd even give it less of a chance than you...as far as the trade itself...kinda of a "shrug" for me...

[BRNC]

How do u know Rod's been busting his but the last month?

Several reports have indicated he is trying to get "values" around the league for our players...particularly Crash and Jax...not the kind of thing you can do overnight...

[ammofan]

Several reports have indicated he is trying to get "values" around the league for our players...particularly Crash and Jax...not the kind of thing you can do overnight...

Oh I know that but I was thinking that the guy was saying he had some inside info or something.

[winthropbobcat]

Harris is a HUGE upgrade at PG. HUGE! He's got experiance and can score. I'm hearing Diaw will be gone to make room for Tyrus to start. I love the thought of Harris/Jax/Crash/TT/(still need a C)

[spectre]

Harris is a HUGE upgrade at PG. HUGE! He's got experiance and can score. I'm hearing Diaw will be gone to make room for Tyrus to start. I love the thought of Harris/Jax/Crash/TT/(still need a C)

How credible is that? Since LB seems a little hesitant to give Tyrus a lot of minutes it'd kind of shock me if he was on board with it.

Last night we saw the "bad" Tyrus. Every time he touched the ball he looked to shoot, and they weren't falling. That's not the type of mentality we need in the starting lineup right now.

[Mustachio]

You can trade for Magic Johnson in his prime, but until Larry is gone its gonna be the same.


Magic Johnson and Dominick McGuire is still a losing combination.

[spectre]

You can trade for Magic Johnson in his prime, but until Larry is gone its gonna be the same.


Magic Johnson and Dominick McGuire is still a losing combination.

I doubt that. LB did pretty darn well with the group last year, and most likely bringing in players that he likes would rejuvenate him as well as the rest of those still left.

We'll see tho.

[RMT]

We Get: Calderon

Raptors Get: Diaw

WE almost did this deal in the offseason but MJ backed out but I think this is the time to get back on the phone wioth the raptors and see if they still interested in this deal.

what u guys think?

[Marvel]

and most likely bringing in players that he likes would rejuvenate him as well as the rest of those still left.



I don't see that as a good thing. We know the players LB loves, how'd that work out. TRADE LB

[G-Force]

http://www.phuckpolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/oh_hell_no_cat.jpg

Please no more trade talk with Raptors, unless it involve Barg.

[WAM9]

I think the same about this now that I did then. No way!

If there wasn't such a thing as a contract, then I might see a little more of why we would do this but we just don't need that contract of Calderon weighing us down.

[spectre]

I don't see that as a good thing. We know the players LB loves, how'd that work out. TRADE LB

Boris? Think he worked out pretty well. Raja was a GREAT "get"...wasn't anyone's fault he got hurt.

Gana...from what I remember LB AND MJ wanted him. Remember LB saying they gave each other a high five over the phone after that deal went down? We also got out of that God awful contract MJ gave to Carroll. Besides, that was done as the first step in looking to move Mek.

Flip...worked out well with us.

Jax...helped us to get our 1st ever playoff run.

Theo...we got him as a favor from Pop for LB.

TC...wasn't anyone's fault that he didn't get healthy sooner (if you remember we were instrumental in getting him that brace that allowed him to start producing). He'd have been huge this year if the Lollipop hadn't moved him AGAINST LB's wishes. Doing that trade also got us out of Mek's crap contract.

Crash...remember the Lollipop wanted to trade him for TJ Ford but LB talked him out of it.

Who exactly are we talking about again? Surely not the vet min guys like Dom who are owed less than 1 million for a year?

We've seen what MJ does when he's going against LB...he trades our projected starter C for some capspace and 2 crap contracts and he let our starting PG walk for nothing.

Edit:

Forgot Tyrus. You aren't talking about him are you?

[spectre]

Another thing LB did that I'm eternally grateful for...he stopped that idiotic trade for Jose Caleron. Yet another "great idea" by our fearless Leader.

[Marvel]

^Eh i'm not big on any of those players, the Crash thing... didn't take a genius to derail that train wreck. I was meh on the Raja, Doris trade in the end it didn't get us anywhere. Doris got fatter and lazier, Raja was a good get. Flip .......MEH at least it got us Tyrus, but then again LB's not so high on him even after MJ invested $40 mil in him. Jax trade was good short term, now it's looking like the complete opposite.

Eh.....he got us to the playoffs at least,i appreciate him for that, but with the latest news of him stepping down......let's all just raise our glasses and CELEBRATE BABY......

[BobCatsFanInTx]

Having Harris as a starting PG would be nice, and I can live with our current backups. So I expect DJ would be gone. My next thought is, who could Slam be hearing about that the FO is interested in and discussing? Preferably it would be a good starting Center, but to get one, that means we lose either Jax, Crash or Diaw. That is merely robbing Peter to give to Paul and creates a new hole. Very interesting times.At this point I am willing to suffer the loss of Jax, Crash or Diaw for a difference maker at the 5. I am not talking perennial All Star but someone who could be counted on for steady and solid production nightly. I don't mind seeing this team pretty much in rebuild mode. I know we have some talent and to me that says we can trade them for draft picks and future cap flexibility. We become younger and set to compete for a longer stretch of time.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

I'm with you. Jax has little to no value by himself...so if we can turn him into something that has value in a mega trade IMO you have to do it. We have other pieces we can turn into a SG.

Funny thing about that Portland idea; I was looking on the trade board (RGM) and someone put up a TI of Monta/Biedrens for Miller/Prz/Batum...and they got overwhelmingly massacred for it. I love Monta Ellis, but last I'd read Biedrens is a negative contract...pretty much Okafor Part II. From what they were all saying that Portland package isn't worth very much at all.

Maybe we could get that package PLUS something else decent for Crash?I hope other GM's don't view these message boards and see how the fans basically downgrade any trade value our players might have. I doubt they do but I think you sell players like Crash, Jax and Diaw short when you basically say they have the trade value of Greg Oden or Yao Ming. You have not said that per say but you give that impression when you describe the value of our key contributors to last seasons playoff run. A bad season under Larry Brown who just about ruined the Knicks hardly gives GM's the impression that every player on our team is trash. I hope the GM's of other teams value our top players more than some of you on this forum do or nothing good will come of a trade or trades.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

Brevan Knight coming out of retirement would be an upgrade from DJ. Our starting point guard had 1 assist last night; he stand around waiting for LB to call a play. He doesn't know how to run an offense. Also, you don't have to worry about any trade....Rod Higgins has been busting his butt for a month...................we have no one of trade value except Gerald. He can't GIVE JAX AWAY; nobody wants the malcontent. He is a cancer everywhere he has gone.I say you are wrong and Jax has value but Higgins is overestimating how much. If the right package comes along there are teams that would happily take Jax. It is a matter of what they need and what we are willing to add to sweeten the deal. It could be that Higgins is turning down deals that other teams would jump on.

Other than being demonstrative after getting calls against him or not getting calls he thinks he should get Jax really has not been a problem while in Charlotte. The problems our team is having is a mix of modest talent and poor poor coaching. Larry Brown wanted out and now he is so we see the results of that up to this point in the season. I will be happy to see if just a simple change of coach will turn things around. It is not likely a coach with a long standing tradition of winning comes though. MJ won't shell out that kind of money. I will try to be optimistic though and believe that at least some of this season can be salvaged.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

How credible is that? Since LB seems a little hesitant to give Tyrus a lot of minutes it'd kind of shock me if he was on board with it.

Last night we saw the "bad" Tyrus. Every time he touched the ball he looked to shoot, and they weren't falling. That's not the type of mentality we need in the starting lineup right now.A lot of players on the team are not playing the smartest of basketball. That has more to do with the BS from a old fossel head coach than it does the players personally. TT has far more than not played within the system and does not regularly shoot the team out of games. Even with a good head coach who wants to be in Charlotte you can be sure that players are going to play out of character more often than not for a while. The stench of losing takes its toll on players. Takes time to overcome all the nasty stench that has been the Charlotte Bobcats and Larry Brown.

[spectre]

I hope other GM's don't view these message boards and see how the fans basically downgrade any trade value our players might have. I doubt they do but I think you sell players like Crash, Jax and Diaw short when you basically say they have the trade value of Greg Oden or Yao Ming. You have not said that per say but you give that impression when you describe the value of our key contributors to last seasons playoff run. A bad season under Larry Brown who just about ruined the Knicks hardly gives GM's the impression that every player on our team is trash. I hope the GM's of other teams value our top players more than some of you on this forum do or nothing good will come of a trade or trades.

Seriously?

Do you remember what we gave up for Jax about a year ago? After all his technicals, being the poster boy in the video the NBA put out on what NOT to do, his age and his contract there's no doubt my view will be the deciding factor for any GM who is on the verge of trading for him. :facepalm:

I think the value we're putting up in that example for Crash isn't that bad. Maybe we could get more.

[TheBeagle]

I can take or leave Harris. But in giving up DJ we're still left with not having a backup 1. I mean, Livingston? Really? At best he's a poor man's 2 and a bankrupt 1. Dude can't move the ball, has a fear of penetrating interior defense, doesnt' defend the position against most every other 1 et al.

Bigger problems are at 2 and 5, IMO. I'd sell my soul to get rid of Jack, so to answer your question, spectre, hell yes I'd do Harris for Jack straight up. Realistically, we're probably stuck with Kwame/Nazr at the 5 for the duration, and as far as effort goes, I can live with that.

Fuck wins and losses, just give me dudes who give a flying fuck.

And only if we get a superstar in return, or a solid starting 5 should Boris be included in ANY trade. Our best player and still some of y'all want Tyrus to start?!?!?! Wow.

[Marvel]

What do i think?

Throw it down the toilet.

[SWedd523]

What do i think?

Throw it down the toilet.
Put it in a bag, set it on Colangelo's doorstep, light it on fire, run!

[Plowright]

how about no....

i mean no thank you :)

[Chef]

i see you are new so, i am not going to be harsh.

i would respectfully decline this offer it was brought to me.

i now challenge you to a duel. this is deeply deeply offensive.

[Woodsy23]

We Get: Calderon and then kill him to get rid of his contract

Raptors Get: Diaw

WE almost did this deal in the offseason but MJ backed out but I think this is the time to get back on the phone wioth the raptors and see if they still interested in this deal.

what u guys think?

lets pretend you just forgot to write the bit in bold yes? you're lucky your relatively new otherwise i would have been alot harsher ;) but no i wouldnt do this in a million years, I think Calderon is one of the few players in the league that diaw has more value than. I think Diop's contract is more appealing than this dudes!

[dnbman]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5947959

On the video, Bucher said he was talking to a west coast GM, asking him who is most likely to make the next trade. GM said the Bobcats. At the very least, we know the FO is active.

Obviously, that would make a lot of sense given the discussion with Portland. Bucher also makes the point that now is the perfect time to make moves so that new folks can make some changes, learn some plays, and then play three winnable home games.

Interesting to see if there are some more fireworks before Christmas.

[BETCATS]

My Christmas wish:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=24b5qtq

[dnbman]

Suffice to say, Calderon doesn't shimmer like he did a few seasons ago. No thanks.

[ballwhore]

DJ is going to the clippers more info in a moment

[Ghost Kat]

Jesus is coming back....More info in a moment

[The Prodigy]

Say whaa?

Why would they want him?

I would love Bledsoe!

[nfcchamp2004]

I hope not..I wanted to see what he could do if he wasnt handcuffed by Larry Brown.

[WFU4LIFE]

I will miss DJ but if it's some combo of DJ and Crash for Aminu and Kaman and other players to make it work out then I would be very happy.

[winthropbobcat]

bledsoe sucks....... I would imagine this would be for Kaman, and we get Harris from NJ for Diaw.

Harris/Jax/Crash/TT/Kaman?

[SWedd523]

Diddy played his best under Silas. Maybe reuniting the two would light a fire under his (large) ass? He has low value though, so let's try and get Gordon pleaseeeeeeeee



Crash, Jack, DJ

for

Baron, Eric Gordon, Gomes/Aminu

[ballwhore]

Cause baron davis is fat as f#ck old and has bad knees waiting to hear back.... DJ, Blake, Eric Gordon running and gunning...

[Felton for Prez]

My Christmas wish:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=24b5qtq

And who is going to play PG after this?

[winthropbobcat]

baron is a great pg when healthy though...

[WhatAboutBob_cats]

Baron Davis is $42 mil over the next 3 years. He's old, injury prone, and did I mention he's roughly $14 million per year?!?!

[ballwhore]

Silas wants Baron Davis how dumb of move would that be if he is just the interim coach. Interim coach gets demands...Hmmmmm

[ohara831]

If Gordon and Aminu come with Davis, then I might not be too upset at all. But we need to know the players involved before we can pass judgment on this. When will you know Ballshore, and when will this go down publicly? Thank you in advance for the info!

[winthropbobcat]

baron is getting healthy, he's also a 2 or 3 time all star.... he can play when healthy and is a much better pg than DJ, sorry. Esp if we can get a young player or a pick to go with him.

[GoBobs]

I think DJ can be a good player but isn't the right fit for the Bobcats. He needs to figure out that he needs to look to score all the time when he is on the court. I will wish him luck if he gets traded. LA Clippers could be a good fit.

Oh and I don't want Barons horrible contract. Kaman would be alright. D Jordan would be alright I guess. How about a three way where we get Marcus Camby and Andre Miller. DJ to the Clippers. Amniu, Diop, and Edwardo to the Blazers.

[Jennings]

So does that mean that Baron is coming back or what?? Killing me..

[ballwhore]

And the last time that was? Dude DJ story has yet to be written Did you know steve nash once played for the mavericks? Many forget that stint look at him now. Davis is 31 years old..But anyway should break tomorrow phone is blowing up like crazy couldnt really talk.

[WhatAboutBob_cats]

Don't let nostalgia overwhelm logic. Baron has piss-poor shot selection. I know this is poor sample size but nearly one third of his shots are coming from behind the arc. Guess what his percentage from downtown is. 19.5%!!

We need to get into some sort of rebuilding mode. Taking on Baron's contract will kill most cap space that we may have in the future.

[BobcatsAllDay]

And the last time that was? Dude DJ story has yet to be written Did you know steve nash once played for the mavericks? Many forget that stint look at him now. Davis is 31 years old..But anyway should break tomorrow phone is blowing up like crazy couldnt really talk.

He was an All Star in Dallas. What are you saying?

[CatNation]

so whats the full trade

[ohara831]

I could see taking Baron and that contract if we also get Gordon and Kaman and we send them DJ, Diop, Jax, Carroll and Najera. But I dont think that helps the Clippers at all.

[CatNation]

meh i dont buy this. ballwhore has claimed DJ being traded and been wrong a few times now.

[The Prodigy]

Yeah im not feeling this either. I hope Ballwhore proves me wrong,but Clippers and DJ seem like such an odd match.

[BlockParty]

I bet we wait on any trades (unless it involves Melo)...in another thread ziggy posted bucher's espn interview he mentioned he was on the phone with a west coast GM that suggested the Cats would make the next trade...then it was annouced that Larry had been fired.

Bucher went on to say MJ said he needs to get comfortable with new coach and what is going on with the players. Was it Larry, is it the Players (most likely a little of both). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9g5lTF7C4SM&feature=player_embedded is the link to the interview.

We go on a 3-4 game win streak (which is very likely) Rod and MJ get out of fire sell mode and look for logical moves that make the team better. At the 3 minute mark he mentions that the Cats would make a move for a young player or draft picks, the Cats would consider moving GW, Jack or Boris....translation Baron Davis is not coming here.

One thing is clear, none of the players on the roster have any excuses, it's time to perform. (except Dom and Gana's complete and total inability to consistently be an offensive threat even when unguarded and in the lane).

[dunnlx]

I luv that picture, that is hilarious.

Jesus is coming back....More info in a moment

[Proudiddy]

I'd hate to give up DJ for BD... I've been a Diddy fan since UCLA, but I don't want to give up DJ for him at this point. If they'd take Livingston and/or Jack with some other kind of combination, I'm all for it. I bet we're getting ready to be surprised and Crash is going with him.

If Dj is going, tell him us true fans appreciated him Ballwhore. Hopefully, he can get a fair shake with the Clips.

[Jennings]

Man I really hope we don't get Baron. I loved him back in the day, but with his contract, age, and ability now...no thanks. Maybe if we get a few more good players in return. Dam, so we have to wait till tomorrow???

[Proudiddy]

maybe they're thinking if they re-unite him with Jack??? IDK... I've got a feeling Crash is out though.

[BigSams50]

I can't find anything about a trade online

[TattoodCats4life]

Why don't we just do this? I think this trade will fix all our problems. We just have to mortgage the team's picks for the next forever :)
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3yvudl4

[nfcchamp2004]

Baron Davis doesnt even care about basketball anymore...he's just using his huge contract for his movie career. Please can it not be true

[rsxnova]

Im hoping this Baron deal was pre Silas

[Proudiddy]

Wow, I just ran this:

DJ
Jack
Crash
Diaw

FOR

BDiddy
Gordon
Kaman

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2f6dcf8

[Mustachio]

I hear its Dj for Blake Griffin straight up.

[Proudiddy]

I hear its Dj for Blake Griffin straight up.

No way you are serious.

[Jennings]

I hear its Dj for Blake Griffin straight up.

lol, I think I'd take that.

[WhatAboutBob_cats]

I hear its Dj for Blake Griffin straight up.

LOL I don't know...That Blake Griffin dude is really unathletic and can't dunk or anything

[x2pacalypse]

why are you guys ok with trading a young point guard (one of our few players which can be influential in the future), a rare pg, in which he makes very few mental mistakes even with his inexperience...for a washed up bigheaded ego who chews up salary and would be another locker room problem?

there would literally be zero logic whatsoever in trading DJ for Baron straight up...baron davis would not help us make the playoffs, especially with the subtraction of DJ...so we would just be getting rid of our potential future and fall further behind in salary cap

[rsxnova]

why are you guys ok with trading a young point guard (one of our few players which can be influential in the future), a rare pg, in which he makes very few mental mistakes even with his inexperience...for a washed up bigheaded ego who chews up salary and would be another locker room problem?

there would literally be zero logic whatsoever in trading DJ for Baron straight up...baron davis would not help us make the playoffs, especially with the subtraction of DJ...so we would just be getting rid of our potential future and fall further behind in salary cap

The only way i trade them DJ is if we land Air Gordon

[CarolinaBlue704]

If we're gonna take on Davis' contract, we better be getting Gordon and/or Kaman in return...

[rsxnova]

If we're gonna take on Davis' contract, we better be getting Gordon and/or Kaman in return...

Its not even worth Kaman.

[Ghost Kat]

This seems like the dumbest idea even for the Bobcats front office.

[dnbman]

And the last time that was? Dude DJ story has yet to be written Did you know steve nash once played for the mavericks? Many forget that stint look at him now. Davis is 31 years old..But anyway should break tomorrow phone is blowing up like crazy couldnt really talk.

I don't want to dis your boy, but Nash in Dallas was FAR better than DJ in Charlotte. I understand his book isn't written, but there's the real chance his book is never written. I'm not sure about Davis, given his ridiculous contract, but I'm willing to move DJ for the right piece.

This may be a case, like Felton, where parting ways might be best for both parties, as DJ hasn't exactly "claimed his shit" as you said before the season started. Instead, he's the de facto starter. None the less, he is valuable and my need to be traded.

[teej]

Two things (on trades): First, Baron coming here means we'd have to AT LEAST trade Crash, Jack, or Boris, even with DJ. Maybe a combination of DJ, Gana and Carroll for Baron and deAndre Jordan or something, but that's about it.

Also, PLEASE keep the trade talk in one thread...

[dnbman]

My guess would be Boris, DJ, and Gana or something like that. I don't see Jax going anywhere, as he had great chemistry with Baron in GS. In fact, I can see the ownership seeing Baron as just the right tool to get Jackson, Wallace, and Thomas all chugging fast on the same cylinder. Don't know if I buy it, but I think that would be the thought process behind acquiring Baron. No way they take on $45 worth of salary to rebuild.

This very simple trade works: DJ/Boris for Baron
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine

I could also see them adding something like Diop for Gomes in the scenario.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2bnfvz3

That shaves $1 off of our payroll and gives us the much easier contract of Gomes to move if need be. When playing well, Gomes is a strong rebounder than can play the 4.

[ND22]

If we are trading DJ for Baron, I hope we package Diop. And if DJ is off to the Clippers, I wish him the best, and hope he can take his game to the next level.

[DirtyU11]

I'll believe this trade when I see it. NJ is going to have to send Harris somewhere if they want Melo and we seem to be the front runner to get him, so I think we wait to see if the "Melo blockbuster" trade goes down and if not I don' t think the clippers are having to fend off trade offers for Baron Davis and his ridiculous contract.

[stun704]

DJ better not be traded to the clippers

[Chef]

everyone is forgetting about the clippers best asset outside of gordon and griffin. the minnesota unprotected pick! i would do crash and filler for diddy, aminu and the min pick all day. we then get rid of jax for expirings, diaw for expirings and condense a few bad contracts into diddy. i posted this in the rebuild the bobcats trade section earlier.

you guys are crazy if you think crash is worth eric gordon at all not to mention kaman too. i hope we don't get kaman because we won't be getting any young players in return. unless, the clips would do a dj + crash for kaman + aminu. in all honesty, if we move dj i would rather get thompson out of the deal. go young or go home.

[We Talkin 'Bout Practice]

Looks like DJ-to-LAC rumor is legit. From Woj:


Silas is a long way removed from the NBA – and longer from his late 1990s success in Charlotte. And if bringing back Silas isn’t retro enough for everyone, how about Silas’ old Hornets point guard, Baron Davis(notes)? Jordan is considering a trade proposal that would send Augustin, DeSagana Diop(notes) and Matt Carroll(notes) to the Los Angeles Clippers for Davis, a league source told Yahoo! Sports.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-bobcatsjordan122310

[Proudiddy]

Looks like DJ-to-LAC rumor is legit. From Woj:



http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-bobcatsjordan122310

Sounds legit indeed. Again, I wish we were shipping Livingston instead, I don't understand why we're giving up on DJ, and I don't want to let him go... BUT, I would consider this a genius move if Bd gets himself in shape, b/c we'd be dumping dead weight in Diop and Carroll.

[Fred Williamson]

I hate Davis but if we get rid of Diop and Carroll it's okay. All three contracts expire in 2013 and unlike Carroll and Diop, Davis is able to play the game of Basketball. Maybe we can even raise his trade value and trade him in the summer.

[spectre]

Looks like DJ-to-LAC rumor is legit. From Woj:



http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-bobcatsjordan122310

359

No doubt just the first of many to come.

[Absinthe]

Baron Davis is finished. He's getting paid and he doesn't care anymore. Some of you that are saying that he could potentially get into shape are being naive. The Clippers owner is a terrible person but he is absolutely 100% in the right for heckling Baron Davis at Clippers games. Do we really need another player on this team that has questionable effort?

[Toocool]

Take Kaman and Davis. Package Jack with DJ, Diop and Carroll to bring them both in. Start Kaman at the 2, Nazzy and Kwame play backup minutes. K, go.

[Absinthe]

Take Kaman and Davis. Package Jack with DJ, Diop and Carroll to bring them both in. Start Kaman at the 2, Nazzy and Kwame play backup minutes. K, go.

Kaman can't play the 2. I think they'd also have to move Mohammed and Diaw as well.

[ziggy]

359

No doubt just the first of many to come.

I'd like to piggyback on Spectre's theme if I may

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w301/bobcatsplanet/lollipop-3468.jpg

Boomdizzle is old, overweight, a bad locker room guy, can't stay healthy and has an abomination of a contract. Please don't let this be true.

[Brad]

bluntly put, if I can trade all that garbage for Kaman and Davis, I'd do it. Davis/Henderson/Wallace/Thomas/Kaman sounds pretty good to me right now.

[Chef]

I'd like to piggyback on Spectre's theme if I may

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w301/bobcatsplanet/lollipop-3468.jpg

Boomdizzle is old, overweight, a bad locker room guy, can't stay healthy and has an abomination of a contract. Please don't let this be true.

have to say this is awful. if we are taking on davis we have to either get the min pick or aminu no matter unless we are giving up carroll, najera and diop only. davis has either the worst or 2nd worst contract (excluding the orlando and wiz traded players) in the league. either we do trash for trash or we get assets out of the deal. why give up dj? we have to be the only team calling them about baron. we have all the power in this one.

[winthropbobcat]

you guys are crazy, this is a sweet deal if we can unload Diop and Carrols contract. Baron for Diop, Carroll, and DJ. Sucks to lose DJ, but Baron is by far a better player than all 3 of them, especially when he's healthy. You guys should be pumped to unload Diop and Carrolls crappy contracts.

[Scottley Crue]

bluntly put, if I can trade all that garbage for Kaman and Davis, I'd do it. Davis/Henderson/Wallace/Thomas/Kaman sounds pretty good to me right now.

I agree. I'm not head-over-heels for Baron Davis, but the group we currently have does not work at all, so I'm open to pretty much any change. And that lineup you threw out is a change I can definitely believe in, especially over this current crew.