Jax and Crash being shopped

[ohara831]

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/12/16/1915954/with-the-season-sinking-charlotte.html

Interesting. Not sure if the Mods want to combine this to another thread. But this specifically says that we are shopping and asking a good bit back. But if both Jax and Crash are being shopped, it seems MJ may be considering the "Blow it up" option. Opens us a lot of doors and possibilities.

[BlockParty]

I take it more as a sign that Jax and GW cannot co-exist, and whichever one brings the best return will likely be moved. The article also mentioned that "various" on the roster were being shopped. Depending on what offers arise, now that the Free Agents signed this summer can be included, will influence if the roster is blown-up.

One thing I would bet money on, Jordan will not take on long-term bad contracts just to appease Larry.

[gforce33]

GW!
Finally , he can plays in another place

[ND22]

I'm glad, they're both very good players but they aren't playing the same way they did last year. Hopefully interest in them is out there.

[teej]

Jack was shopped over the summer, so that's hardly news.

Crash is, but I'd still be surprised if it happens based on, they're trading away the one guy they've marketed since last year for what?

And just to note, if Crash is traded, that means Nazr would be the only one who has been here since Larry was signed. Please raise your hand if you predicted that...

[Dcarnys]

Jack was shopped over the summer, so that's hardly news.

And just to note, if Crash is traded, that means Nazr would be the only one who has been here since Larry was signed. Please raise your hand if you predicted that...

I guess you could technicaly say Matt Carrol too. But this comes as no surprise to me and I kinda expected it eventually.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

All I know is that at this point in time the fact that MJ is open to trading our two biggest players is good news. If we can get anything of substance that is not long term and overpriced and has some talent I will be happy. The main thing is to acquire some draft picks and have us prepare for a three or four year plan to reach respectability. I hope the college talent pool does not dry up. As it stands we may be waiting till the 2012-2013 season to see our picks next year play for our team.

What really irks me about all this is that on the rare times our team actually shows up to play they beat good teams like the Denver Nuggets. I thought the Nuggets game was a sign of the team comming together but that was not the case. I never dreamed that trading Crash and/or Jax would be a good thing but at this time I can not think of anything better.

[Scottley Crue]

All I know is that at this point in time the fact that MJ is open to trading our two biggest players is good news. If we can get anything of substance that is not long term and overpriced and has some talent I will be happy. The main thing is to acquire some draft picks and have us prepare for a three or four year plan to reach respectability. I hope the college talent pool does not dry up. As it stands we may be waiting till the 2012-2013 season to see our picks next year play for our team.

What really irks me about all this is that on the rare times our team actually shows up to play they beat good teams like the Denver Nuggets. I thought the Nuggets game was a sign of the team comming together but that was not the case. I never dreamed that trading Crash and/or Jax would be a good thing but at this time I can not think of anything better.

I never thought trading Crash or Jack would be welcome news, but it sounds like sweet music to me right now. It at least shows they're willing to do anything to change what they see. As long as they can get something in return that gives real, honest hope for the future, I'm down with it. Oh, and as long as whoever they get back will actually try, that'll be a big plus in my book, too.

[Chef]

now on espn that we are shopping wallace. i know things get out, but why make it official? it only makes the offers a little light. if they know we are willing to say "shop" we mean "moving". combined with our blowout losses and what larry is saying we aren't going to be getting grade A offers. if we move him, we better not mess it up. he is our only real trade piece. we need to start a rebuild with this trade. if we get back lower paid veterans back, we are so screwed.

[Plowright]

i am worried that we are not going for youth with our "blow up" like being linked to Hamilton for example, i just hope we do go for youth and draft picks! If you had asked me in the summer would you consider trading jack and GW i would never agreed. I was even saying no to doing a straight up trade with melo for GW. Its interesting how things change, it seems everyone is now seeing it the same way tho.

[ammofan]

I bet teams are definatly interested in both. Especially contenders like ORL. Can you imagine if ORL got Crash? They would have great defense.

Or if CHI got Jack? They were rumored to be asking about JR Smith so I dont see why thye wouldnt want Jack...

[ohara831]

I bet teams are definatly interested in both. Especially contenders like ORL. Can you imagine if ORL got Crash? They would have great defense.

Or if CHI got Jack? They were rumored to be asking about JR Smith so I dont see why thye wouldnt want Jack...

I really hope we do something with Chicago and get that 1st rounder back from the TT trade. But if we deal with someone like Orlando or another Top Tier contender, their 1st will be a very late pick and not of great value. It needs to be with someone who is middle of the pack who feels that Jax or Crash can get them over the top.,

[polarcat]

I too am glad that MJ is open to fixing this broken record, but the fact that it is public makes me a little nervous. I'd rather just wake up and see that GForce or Jax got traded and we got a solid return back. Now that it's out there, I'm nervous that we are going to get bent over by a well-versed GM. I forget who we almost traded Wallace for last year, but I remember vomitting a little in my mouth when I heard that it was a straight up deal. I hope that's not what us fans have to look forward to. Yes, blow the team up. Yes, get some youth with upside in. Yes, get some 1st rounders in. But please don't bring in garbage for our two most exciting and talented core players.

[gforce33]

go CHI
rose jax gw boozer noah

[ohara831]

I had concerns back when MJ bought the team. I know he is the GOAT and has some clout, but I also think Postlulos or however his name is spelled would have been a great owner. And with his background from San Antonio, I think he would have proven to be a good judge of how to put together a winning franchise. Not so confident in MJ, especially if he keeps deferring to LB. If he defers to LB and makes a LB type of trade, with the old fart not even wanting to be the Charlotte coach, I will be very pissed. I hope MJ steps up and puts his own stamp on the team and does not merely defer to LB, but I am not sure he can do it. Have to wait and see.

[spectre]

I had concerns back when MJ bought the team. I know he is the GOAT and has some clout, but I also think Postlulos or however his name is spelled would have been a great owner. And with his background from San Antonio, I think he would have proven to be a good judge of how to put together a winning franchise. Not so confident in MJ, especially if he keeps deferring to LB. If he defers to LB and makes a LB type of trade, with the old fart not even wanting to be the Charlotte coach, I will be very pissed. I hope MJ steps up and puts his own stamp on the team and does not merely defer to LB, but I am not sure he can do it. Have to wait and see.

Remember when LB first got here MJ wanted to trade Crash (and a 2nd!) for TJ Ford but LB talked him out of it.

I'm not so sure you can differentiate between the two. I'm pretty sure LB wasn't on board with the Mavs' trade and IMO that one was pretty frigging stupid.

[dav7z]

I really hope we do something with Chicago and get that 1st rounder back from the TT trade. But if we deal with someone like Orlando or another Top Tier contender, their 1st will be a very late pick and not of great value. It needs to be with someone who is middle of the pack who feels that Jax or Crash can get them over the top.,

Cgicago loves Gibson. Hears what im guessing is going down . Deng and his long contract for Jackson and filler. It makes them better because they don't have a two. Deng is a very good small foward.

Halmington and a first is then moved for Wallace and a filler.

The two teams the cats are talking to according to Bonnell

[Fred Williamson]

Deng? Look at his contract and his shooting numbers. Do not want. He's Crash with worse rebounding and slightly better scoring.

[Chef]

if we trade jax and crash to rebuild and get deng and hamilton i may have to pick a new team to root for. i have been looking for an excuse to switch to direct tv and get league pass, but not being able to watch the cats on it has been the only reason i haven't. or i can save money and become a bulls or celtics fan since they are both on at least once a week.

[Absinthe]

Deng's contract is terrible. Chicago was desperately trying to get rid of him in the off season in hopes of landing Amare and no would take him because his contract is so terrible.

If I'm being honest, I don't think they're going to get much for Jax or Crash. Jax has had behavioral problems with every team he's ever been a part of and Gerald Wallace is too damn inconsistent.

[coldhardtruth2330]

Mark my words..."Be careful what you wish for". It is never a good idea to trade away your two most valuable assets and not make the team any better. Rip Hamilton is a major downgrade to Jack, and Deng is better offensively than GW but has a big contract. Even if we do get first round draft picks in the trade, look at the 2010 draft: there is only 3 players in the top 15 making a difference on their teams, and one is John Wall. The 2009 draft was a different story, with talented picks throughout the first round, but we got gerald henderson..... Needless to say look at my point. Is it worth losing your two best players just to pick up mediocre overpaid talent and draft picks, especially when youve been known to draft terrible.

[Absinthe]

If they got Richard Hamilton I would probably quit being a fan. That is Joe Dumars level bullshit there.

[Demon DeaCat]

I really hope we do something with Chicago and get that 1st rounder back from the TT trade.

This, and then if we could ship GW to either Tor or Cle for their TPE and a 1st, we could have 3 lottery picks in the next 2 years. If used correctly (admittedly a big if), that could be enough to right the ship and be back to respectability within a reasonable amount of time.

[Felton for Prez]

Mark my words..."Be careful what you wish for".

This.

Our best bet would be to somehow get involved as a facilitor in the Melo deal. NJ or NY will fall all over themeselves to get him and hopefully we can sell assets closer to full value instead of the expected 60 cents on the dollar.

[Fred Williamson]

This.

Our best bet would be to somehow get involved as a facilitor in the Melo deal. NJ or NY will fall all over themeselves to get him and hopefully we can sell assets closer to full value instead of the expected 60 cents on the dollar.

yep.

10char

[dav7z]

From Bonnells artical the Bulls and Pistons are our best soitors so far .

The Bulls want to move Dengs contract because Gibson , As bad as Dengs contract is , Moving JAX and his bad contract with JAX UNKNOWN ATTITUDE would be a good move. What im saying is thats about as good of a return as we going to get . If that good .

As far as taking on Rip , no hes not as good on offence . But looking closely at his contract We comiting one less year to him than wallace hes a dust chip of sort. A first round pick added in . Or adding Stuckey and DJ might be worth while.
Im sure feelers are out thair for Borris as well . Rip would be a good vetran presance in the locor room .
I don't love thease moves but that might salvage this season . As well as add a draft pick to help get us out of this mess.

[Katmandu]

I'm reading a lot of talk about draft picks. I like draft picks and Larry Brown does, too...after they've been in the league for about eight years. I don't see a youth movement with Coach Brown.

[rsxnova]

Any trade with Chi has to net our pick back. I would also like to bring James Johnson over.

[Proudiddy]

Just found this from a site called Oregon Live, sounds good to me if you throw in a draft pick or two... I'd love to pick up Rudy plus a serviceable big like Pryzbilla. IIRC, the Blazers have been interested in GW before, so it sounds realistic to me.

http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/index.ssf/2010/12/nba_trade_rumors_are_the_bobca.html



You'd have to think Rich Cho is talking to every team in the league at this point, so the Trail Blazers are likely in the mix. Right? Right?

Would Wallace be a good fit for the Blazers? Rudy Fernandez, Joel Przybilla and a throw-in/cash for Wallace?

[spectre]

Figured this is as good here as anywhere:

Wizards, Magic discuss deal involving Arenas (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/18/AR2010121800034.html)


After the Wizards lost to the Los Angeles Lakers on Tuesday, Arenas privately told people that a deal could possibly be in the works with either Orlando or Charlotte. Word started to spread throughout Verizon Center that evening, but the talk initially was shut down by multiple league sources.

[spectre]

Don't you figure Andre Miller would be involved in any Portland deal assuming this is a "save the season" type of trade? Supposedly Roy has went to his FO asking for them to trade Miller.

I'm thinking something like Prz/Miller/Batum for Crash/Nazr/DJ, but that's probably too good for us.

[ammofan]

Arenas? Arenas? Arenas? What? LOL

[ammofan]

Lets get involved in this Gilbert trade:
http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/70645/20101218/lewis_and_carter_going_to_washington_for_arenas/

No way that there isnt a third team involved if Vince and Lewis are being dealt. I'll take VC!

[ammofan]

Here's a trade idea from a ORL fan on RealGM:

"SJax+Diaw+Nazr for Gortat+VC+Pietrus?"

Lets do it!

DJ
VC/Pietrus
Crash/UPS
Tyrus/Dom
Gortat/Kwame

[BETCATS]

Any of these sound appealing?

For Arenas:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=27kyf2o

For Andre Miller:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=272j66t

With Da Bulls:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=34yh22a

[SWedd523]

Just found this from a site called Oregon Live, sounds good to me if you throw in a draft pick or two... I'd love to pick up Rudy plus a serviceable big like Pryzbilla. IIRC, the Blazers have been interested in GW before, so it sounds realistic to me.

http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/index.ssf/2010/12/nba_trade_rumors_are_the_bobca.html

A deal with Portland would require much more than Rudy and the oft injured Gorilla.

The starting point in my eyes is Nic Batum. He's a younger version of Crash, but better on offense. Many people have said before that he's going to be great, but he's struggling right now so I have to think his value is lower than usual, especially with Portland considering another rebuild.

I'm on my phone so I can't tell if these salaries work out, but I think a fair deal is Andre/Batum/Gorilla for Crash/Nazr/UPS.

It's a "season saving"trade for both teams. They end the Dre/Roy feud and upgrade at the SF slot for the immediate future while Roy still has tread on the tires so they have a better shot at being contenders.

And we get a solid, defensive, veteran PG on an expiring deal, and expiring big, and a prospect. This way, we make this last run this year and if it doesn't work and we aren't back on the right side of .500 by the deadline, ship Jack and Boris off to contenders and start this damn rebuild!

[Toocool]

A deal with Portland would require much more than Rudy and the oft injured Gorilla.

The starting point in my eyes is Nic Batum. He's a younger version of Crash, but better on offense. Many people have said before that he's going to be great, but he's struggling right now so I have to think his value is lower than usual, especially with Portland considering another rebuild.

I'm on my phone so I can't tell if these salaries work out, but I think a fair deal is Andre/Batum/Gorilla for Crash/Nazr/UPS.

It's a "season saving"trade for both teams. They end the Dre/Roy feud and upgrade at the SF slot for the immediate future while Roy still has tread on the tires so they have a better shot at being contenders.

And we get a solid, defensive, veteran PG on an expiring deal, and expiring big, and a prospect. This way, we make this last run this year and if it doesn't work and we aren't back on the right side of .500 by the deadline, ship Jack and Boris off to contenders and start this damn rebuild!

Anyone explain what's going on with Portland?

[BETCATS]

Anyone explain what's going on with Portland?
Roy made it clear he doesnt like playing with Miller. It was revealed friday that he told the front office they need to trade one of them. Roy is the franchise and Wesley Matthews has played extremely well, which makes Miller even more expendable.

[Black]

Here's a trade idea from a ORL fan on RealGM:

"SJax+Diaw+Nazr for Gortat+VC+Pietrus?"

Lets do it!

DJ
VC/Pietrus
Crash/UPS
Tyrus/Dom
Gortat/Kwame

All three are being traded to the Suns it seems for Richardson, Hedo, and Clark.

http://twitter.com/chris_broussard

[ammofan]

All three are being traded to the Suns it seems for Richardson, Hedo, and Clark.

http://twitter.com/chris_broussard

WOOWW!!!!!!! Wake up MJ!

[stun704]

Why do you guys want andre millier? talk about setting us back atleast another year on the rebuilding process, DJ is a solid starter for the future, Larry Brown is the problem, we should try to avoid over 27 starting players as far as trades go

[SWedd523]

He's an expiring.

Him and Gorilla equate to 15mil in open cap space this coming Summer. This year is already ruined, times to talk about rebuilds. Getting expirings and a young talent in Batum make it worthwhile. And, if Dre comes in and plays well, we can ship him out at the deadline for something else. He has value.

[adam187]

Plus, if we had Andre, it opens up the possibility of flipping DJ for Jason Thompson.

[Marvel]

Anyone explain what's going on with Portland?

Roy came out saying he can't operate with a ball dominant pg like Miller and that the "elite" sgs in the league need the ball in their hands, like he does. There's also the issue with floor spacing.

[Chef]

Roy came out saying he can't operate with a ball dominant pg like Miller and that the "elite" sgs in the league need the ball in their hands, like he does. There's also the issue with floor spacing.

i would move roy if i were them. u could get close to equal value for old roy. new no knees roy will b exposed and become untradeable.

[Marvel]

i would move roy if i were them. u could get close to equal value for old roy. new no knees roy will b exposed and become untradeable.

I would be throwing him out there now before the shit hits the fan if it hasn't already for them. Roy's knees are shot. They may as well promote him to GM.

[spectre]

Why do you guys want andre millier? talk about setting us back atleast another year on the rebuilding process, DJ is a solid starter for the future, Larry Brown is the problem, we should try to avoid over 27 starting players as far as trades go

We're not in a rebuilding process nor is there any sign from the FO that we're going to be in one.

I like DJ ok...but this "future" stuff is kind of out there considering his not being able to take over and lead the team to date. PGs have to have an attitude, and from my perspective he's not shown that at all.

[dnbman]

Sidenote: Spectre will vote my proxy on all Bobcat related issues. I'll be out by the pool.

[Scottley Crue]

We're not in a rebuilding process nor is there any sign from the FO that we're going to be in one.

I like DJ ok...but this "future" stuff is kind of out there considering his not being able to take over and lead the team to date. PGs have to have an attitude, and from my perspective he's not shown that at all.

I'd have to agree with you on both points. DJ has absolutely improved his play over last year but is currently lacking the ability to take the bull by the horns, so to speak. I don't believe Andre Miller has that issue. He and the Batum/Pryzbilla combo would be a "save the season" move that I could go with.