The 2010-11 Trade Discussion Thread (Part III)

[Chef]

As a 'Cuse fan and the potential that Flynn posesses, I would love to acquire him. We would have the smallest pg combo, but man, we would be fun to watch. It's weird seeing players like Mayo, Flynn, McGee, and Thompson out there as trade bait and the prices to acquire these players are not very high from what I've seen.

all of these players are much bigger on name recognition than they are on nba skills. all are ok to good but their names and "potential" make their cost more than their worth.

[Ampsportsduo]

Flynn would flourish in the new system. He primarily ran a 2-man game at Cuse and trying to run the triangle has put a lot more on his plate in Minny.

/Things 2k11 tells me repeatedly

[Chef]

after watching the first two games of the silas era, i have reassessed my future plans for the bobcats. before i fill you guys in on what i am going to do as imaginary gm, i would like to say this team is definitely more enjoyable to watch and it is nice to see the guys playing a style that complements their strengths. that said, we barely beat the pistons and cavs. that is good coming from a team that lost to the wizards by 30 less than two weeks ago, but both of our silas era opponents are stinky dog turd awful and we nearly gave up huge leads in both games. we are somewhere between the 6th and 9th best team in the east. this is fine, if our two best players were not old or almost past their primes. with that said here is my list of moves:

deal #1:
move jax to chicago for the jj, taj package that was rumored. do this ASAP, before he comes back down to earth shooting wise. his contract is terrible and his skills will decline in the next two years. plus, he is actually a good fit in chicago as the #3 option and not handling the ball much should cut down his turnovers drastically.

deal #2: get rid of TT as soon as we find a semi-decent trade. i would do it for expirings. he is a disaster as a starter somehow making more bone headed plays than jax. right now he is appropriately paid but the last year of his deal 4 years from now has him paid 9 million dollars. he is going to be the next nazr as far as production per cost. yes, he block shots and comes up with big plays but he hurts us just as much as he helps us.

deal #3: trade nazr for an asset or expiring plus a pick. a 15-20 min per game offensively capable expiring veteran center is exactly the type of player contenders would pay nicely for. if we could squeeze reddick out of him i would do back flips.

deal #4: trade crash. he is a value of a contract and can produce at a double double level when healthy in silas's system. his numbers will come up after jax leaves. moving him must net us a good up and comer like wes matthews, aminu or batum or a draft pick. if we take on a contract like b-diddy we absolutely don't give up dj unless the deal includes minn pick and diop going out with him. oh and since we love crash so much, if he doesn't go to the clippers i would like to send him to a contender so he can have a shot at june basketball. unless minnesota is dumb enough to offer love for him (hey it is kahn).

deal #5: dj. his value is going back up. we either keep him (production per cost is out of this world right now) or trade him for something really good (see minnesota pick from clippers).

as you can see this gm clearly still sees the need for a rebuild. i am in it for championships not 4-6 seeds and this team's core will not bring us championships. build through the draft and i won't make draft mistakes like the bobcats have done in the past.

[ammofan]

Unless we can acquire Mayo DO NOT deal Jackson before Wallace. Jackson actually produces everynight whether yall like it or not. Wallace on the other hand is a shell of his old self. Trade Wallace first, before Jack, and try to acquire Melo or another big piece. No reason at all to blow this team up right when they show promise. A Playoff appearence needs to happen again, not some lottery draft pick.

[ammofan]

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/601/877/96646558_display_image.jpg?1293718533

[Chef]

Unless we can acquire Mayo DO NOT deal Jackson before Wallace. Jackson actually produces everynight whether yall like it or not. Wallace on the other hand is a shell of his old self. Trade Wallace first, before Jack, and try to acquire Melo or another big piece. No reason at all to blow this team up right when they show promise. A Playoff appearence needs to happen again, not some lottery draft pick.

they aren't showing promise past a 1st round playoff sweep.

[ammofan]

they aren't showing promise past a 1st round playoff sweep.

I would rather get swept in the Playoffs than to finish 9th or 10th and get some scrub lottery player.

[Absinthe]

So are we finally admitting that the main problem with this team is a talent issue and not a coaching issue? You know, what I've been saying for months now.

[polarcat]

I would rather get swept in the Playoffs than to finish 9th or 10th and get some scrub lottery player.
Agreed, but if you trade Wallace and Jack (and more than likely Diaw too), this team goes from a late lottery selection to probably a top 5 selection. I too would rather us hit the playoffs, but if I had to choose between getting swept in the first round or a top-5 pick (plus a helluva lot of cash and youth to build a new core), I'm going with the latter.

[Pepperz]

I hate it when people act like the draft is a sure thing. Like if they were in charge, we will draft a superstar every time. :/ Its so easy to gauge things in hindsight.

[adam187]

I hate it when people act like the draft is a sure thing. Like if they were in charge, we will draft a superstar every time. :/ Its so easy to gauge things in hindsight.

Wise words. In other news, it looks like not having a pick in this last draft wasn't such a terrible thing after all.

[Weezy21]

I know most are against doing a mass overhaul, but we have got to look towards the future...ppl have already mentioned that we should trade jackson while he is shooting lights out right now...imma do what Chef did and show you my 3 moves that would have us looking nice for the future and still take us to the playoffs...

Trade 1) Wallace, Tyrus, Henderson, Naz to Denver for an unsigned Melo and Nene...Denver gets Wallace, who the have been trying to pry from us and get Tyrus who they were interested in when he was a FA...bobcats finally get their big man and Melo's huge expiring

Trade 2) Jackson to the Bulls for Taj Gibson, Ronnie Brewer, James Johnson...this is a possible rumored deal

Trade 3) Diop and Carrol to the Pistons for Rip...as much as I like Jackson, his constant complaining is getting annoying...I think Rip would be a better fit, plus we get to move 2 players that aren't that valuable anyway

New Line-up
C-Nene/Kwame
PF-Diaw/Gibson
SF-Melo/Brown/Johnson
SG-Rip/Brewer
PG-DJ/Livingston

A possible 4th trade could be DJ/Diaw to Magic for Nelson/Anderson...with DJ's play lately, I would be hesitant...plus we could trade Diaw's expiring next year for maybe something better...but I just really like nelson and would still welcome the trade...but again I know some of yall would disagree

So what yall think?

[DY_nasty]

So are we finally admitting that the main problem with this team is a talent issue and not a coaching issue? You know, what I've been saying for months now.
Cleveland has a talent issue.

A bad coach will hurt a team a lot more than a good coach can help it too btw

[SWedd523]

So are we finally admitting that the main problem with this team is a talent issue and not a coaching issue? You know, what I've been saying for months now.
There is a talent issue. But the coaching issue was much worse. We rectified that, now on to trading the team away!

[LiquidWayno]

New Line-up
C-Nene/Kwame
PF-Diaw/Gibson
SF-Melo/Brown/Johnson
SG-Rip/Brewer
PG-DJ/Livingston


Wow! That team would be fun to watch. Very weak on the defensive end (Melo & DJ aren't great there, Rip's getting older). Is Chicago willing to split with Brew

[Chef]

So are we finally admitting that the main problem with this team is a talent issue and not a coaching issue? You know, what I've been saying for months now.

i have not changed my tune on anything. other than dumping diaw or doing a dj for thompson swap.

[Chef]

I hate it when people act like the draft is a sure thing. Like if they were in charge, we will draft a superstar every time. :/ Its so easy to gauge things in hindsight.

hey, i am the imaginary gm here. i have exemplary scouts that would put the spurs to shame.

[Chef]

New Line-up
C-Nene/Kwame
PF-Diaw/Gibson
SF-Melo/Brown/Johnson
SG-Rip/Brewer
PG-DJ/Livingston


Wow! That team would be fun to watch. Very weak on the defensive end (Melo & DJ aren't great there, Rip's getting older). Is Chicago willing to split with Brew

yes. i don't think we would get taj, jj and brewer. probably brewer + jj and filler. but still. combine that with us stealing jj from orlando in a nazr deal (we can dream) and a back court rotation of dj, jj or brewer (for defense) is pretty good chemistry and talent wise.

[The Prodigy]

On rotoworld they say that the Magic have inquired about Nazr. Nothing new there. But they also said that the Magic were looking to unload Daniel Orton, a 2nd round pick, and guys with bad contracts (Jason Williams, Chris Duhon, and Quentin Richardson).

Daniel Orton seems like a prospect that wouldnt be too bad. Especially considering we have no youth at the C position. Granted he would be a ways away from playing, but at this point I would trade Nazr for that 2nd pick(I know its going to be a late one, but a pick is a pick), Orton, and someone on a one year deal.

Thoughts?

[teej]

Just an idea, would leave us even more thin at center but probably fair for both teams.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2974f28

Nazr/Liv/Kwame for Orton/Redick/Duhon/Malik Allen.

We'd cut Sherron to make it work.

[Fred Williamson]

forget about Melo. Look at this shit (from Wojo's twitter):


Originally Posted by Adrian Wojnarowski
As @KenBerg_CBS writes, NJ frustrated with Denver's price for Melo. DEN wants 5 first round picks as part of bigger package, sources tell Y! Another problem for NJ, rival exec in talks says: In current multi-team discussions, NJ would give up Devin Harris w/o getting a PG back. Talks stopped over Christmas with tragic death of 'Melo's sister, but will resume next week. Josh Kroenke and Masai Ujiri are digging in.

Exactly RT @ChrisMannixSI: There has been more posturing from both sides on Anthony than any deal in recent memory

"The Nets have been chasing Anthony for months but according to sources, New Jersey has grown "sick of the whole charade" and have "backed away."
lulz

even if he signed an extension, I wouldn't trade 5 freaking first round picks for him

[ohara831]

That's just crazy. In the last 15 years, the only one I would trade 5 1sts for would be a Kobe in his youth getting ready to hit his stride. Oh, then there is also Vlade Divac for Kobe, but who would do that?

[BlockParty]

even if he signed an extension, I wouldn't trade 5 freaking first round picks for him

I agree...5 1st round picks is way too high; sadly though I would take the last 5 1st round picks of the Cats for Melo straight up:

2010-Ajinca (taken in 2008, 2010 pick finally used as compensation)
2009-Hendo
2008-Augustin
2007-Wright (yeah I know it wasn't our pick and became JRich who became part of Diaw)
2006-Morrison

Shows how bad our draft's have been in hindsight, hopefully DJ continues to blossom and Hendo earns and then takes advantage of an opportunity.

[Fred Williamson]

Now Denver will likely end up like Cleveland or Toronto with nothing more than a TPE and a later first round pick. Idiots.

[teej]

I would've traded 5 first rounders for LeBron, that's the only one that would make sense value wise. But that's only if I was in a big market, since he doesn't want to play anywhere else...

[dnbman]

I agree...5 1st round picks is way too high; sadly though I would take the last 5 1st round picks of the Cats for Melo straight up:

2010-Ajinca (taken in 2008, 2010 pick finally used as compensation)
2009-Hendo
2008-Augustin
2007-Wright (yeah I know it wasn't our pick and became JRich who became part of Diaw)
2006-Morrison

Shows how bad our draft's have been in hindsight, hopefully DJ continues to blossom and Hendo earns and then takes advantage of an opportunity.

Yeah, it really depends on the picks. If they were trading the rented picks of quality teams who are picking late, then I wouldn't mind moving the picks in volume. However, five lottery picks, that's way too high. In fact, if I'm Melo, I don't agree to that since they'd be devoid of youth for a long time.

[DY_nasty]

On rotoworld they say that the Magic have inquired about Nazr. Nothing new there. But they also said that the Magic were looking to unload Daniel Orton, a 2nd round pick, and guys with bad contracts (Jason Williams, Chris Duhon, and Quentin Richardson).

Daniel Orton seems like a prospect that wouldnt be too bad. Especially considering we have no youth at the C position. Granted he would be a ways away from playing, but at this point I would trade Nazr for that 2nd pick(I know its going to be a late one, but a pick is a pick), Orton, and someone on a one year deal.

Thoughts?
I'd rather Nazr just expire...

Orton is not only a headcase (only guy to ever get kicked out of a summer league game for thugging it up), but is already having knee issues. He never had a skillset to begin with and Orlando's seemingly become sick of him in less than 6 months. The team that needs a backup center more than just about every other team in the league wants no part of a 1st round pick still in his rookie season - I think we don't want him either.

[The Prodigy]

I'd rather Nazr just expire...

Orton is not only a headcase (only guy to ever get kicked out of a summer league game for thugging it up), but is already having knee issues. He never had a skillset to begin with and Orlando's seemingly become sick of him in less than 6 months. The team that needs a backup center more than just about every other team in the league wants no part of a 1st round pick still in his rookie season - I think we don't want him either.

Good point. I was aware of the knee issue, but had no idea he was a headcase. Ill pass on him.

[ohara831]

I would've traded 5 first rounders for LeBron, that's the only one that would make sense value wise. But that's only if I was in a big market, since he doesn't want to play anywhere else...

I would not for LeBron. He still hasn't won the title yet. I just dont know if he has what it takes to get a team all the way home. For me, it would still be only Kobe. I hate that SOB, but man is he awesome.

[kickazzz2000]

Good point. I was aware of the knee issue, but had no idea he was a headcase. Ill pass on him.

How in the hell did that Ky team not completely implode last year with the amount of thuggery and general idiocy that existed

Orton
Cousins
Bledsoe

LOL

[TheBeagle]

So are we finally admitting that the main problem with this team is a talent issue and not a coaching issue? You know, what I've been saying for months now. No. Main problem is/was the player's attitude, which may or may not have been a result of the next significant problem, coaching. We'll just have to wait and see if they continue to play hard for Paul or not...I'm skeptical, but we'll see. Talent comes in third, but will hopefully be first in a couple months. In the meantime, I'll have Flynn as my backup PG.

[JamieMcNeill]

"One scenario involved Miller going to the Bobcats, but those talks took place prior to Charlotte's recent coaching change. The Bobcats now are entering a new evaluation period under coach Paul Silas and have no current interest in straight salary-dump trades. "That's the furthest thing from the truth," one source said. "We want to do basketball deals if we can."

This at least sounds like we are only looking to trade to get better, not dump salary. We already got that out of our system so now it's time to get better.

[ammofan]

"One scenario involved Miller going to the Bobcats, but those talks took place prior to Charlotte's recent coaching change. The Bobcats now are entering a new evaluation period under coach Paul Silas and have no current interest in straight salary-dump trades. "That's the furthest thing from the truth," one source said. "We want to do basketball deals if we can."

This at least sounds like we are only looking to trade to get better, not dump salary. We already got that out of our system so now it's time to get better.

I saw that earlier.....thank god. I dont want us to rebuild but i do support moving wallace or Jack to get better.

[TattoodCats4life]

We could try this
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2bnwfaz
or
this http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2boptum

Doubt we'd be able to do it though...

[Chef]

We could try this
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2bnwfaz
or
this http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2boptum

Doubt we'd be able to do it though...

houston would remove us from their rolodex if we called with these ideas. they have already said they want young talent (cousins or evans), draft picks and expirings for yao.

[mrtarheel]

Ok here is the break down how I see it happening

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2f3ghfb

then we go for this one

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2gxf7dq

The second one will be a stretch but somehow we end up with McGee.

Miller, Dj, Livingston
Jax, Young,
Crash, Q-Rich, Brown
Diaw, TT
Thompson, McGee, Kwame

[Chef]

Ok here is the break down how I see it happening

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2f3ghfb

then we go for this one

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2gxf7dq

The second one will be a stretch but somehow we end up with McGee.

Miller, Dj, Livingston
Jax, Young,
Crash, Q-Rich, Brown
Diaw, TT
Thompson, McGee, Kwame

the second one is less of a stretch and more of an absolute not in a million years type of thing. the 1st one has some promise but portland probably won't take on jj plus they are getting back crap for miller and camby going out. they have log jam at sg with matthews, roy and jj if it goes down. neither matthews nor jj are particularly cheap either. it is probably more realistic for us to include crash and we get back whoever they don't want between matthews and jj. if i were them i think i keep jj to play off of roy. he would be a great compliment. i would run roy at 1 as a scoring point and have jj play off him since he isn't ball dominant. i think wes will shortly show he is better than roy. actually if i were them, i would be openly shopping roy and taking the first decent deal that comes my way.

something like this:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2burebg

[ammofan]

the second one is less of a stretch and more of an absolute not in a million years type of thing. the 1st one has some promise but portland probably won't take on jj plus they are getting back crap for miller and camby going out. they have log jam at sg with matthews, roy and jj if it goes down. neither matthews nor jj are particularly cheap either. it is probably more realistic for us to include crash and we get back whoever they don't want between matthews and jj. if i were them i think i keep jj to play off of roy. he would be a great compliment. i would run roy at 1 as a scoring point and have jj play off him since he isn't ball dominant. i think wes will shortly show he is better than roy. actually if i were them, i would be openly shopping roy and taking the first decent deal that comes my way.

something like this:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2burebg

I would defninatly do that. One of the better deals for GW I have seen.

[Fred Williamson]

I want Paul George badly on this team.

[Chef]

I want Paul George badly on this team.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=34uk93a

too much? of course, i may be alone but i think tyrus's contract is awful and we will regret in time.

[SWedd523]

Paul George has scored in double figures twice. No thanks.

[Black]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=34uk93a

too much? of course, i may be alone but i think tyrus's contract is awful and we will regret in time.

I don't want anyone on the Pacers not named Danny or Roy.

[TheGayKid]

Is the players' talent the issue here? Or is it actually the players' styles of play that is more troubling? (Concerning the problems with the bobcats roster)

[SWedd523]

Welcome, TheGayKid!


As far as the roster goes, there is an identifiable lack of talent at the Center position and general lack of depth. Crash and Jack would be starters on most teams. Tyrus/Boris/DJ are fringe starters. But everyone else needs to be either role players or end of the bench guys. Having 5ish good players makes winning games difficult.

[Black]

I still have a hard time understanding why Nazr can't see the floor in the second half. He was our only true center yesterday, and he only plays 19 minutes. I know he can't run like Silas might want him to, but Brown did this too. He still managed 6 and 8 yesterday in very limited floor time. I think we should have used our advantage at center a bit more against a severely undersized Warriors team.

[SWedd523]

He was in foul trouble for most of the game

[Chef]

Paul George has scored in double figures twice. No thanks.

i actually had to look him up to see who he was talking about. i was assuming 2 things:
1. i really really want to get rid of tyrus's contract
2. the op has identified him as a future guy. he hasn't played much because he is stuck behind granger and will stay there. just throwing that trade out there more to get rid of tyrus than anything. they are looking for a pf.

[SWedd523]

If you're going for the future, the last thing you want to do is trade Tyrus.

[Chef]

If you're going for the future, the last thing you want to do is trade Tyrus.

right now i disagree. as a starter playing starter minutes, he makes a ton of mistakes. he makes great plays too, but i just don't see him ever producing at 8-9mil per year.

[Black]

He was in foul trouble for most of the game

True, but I am talking about the season as a whole. His minutes seem too strictly capped regardless of how he's playing.

[TheGayKid]

If you're looking for intimidation and blocking at the center position, we really thought we'd find that in diop. But something's missing, we need a center that can DOMINATE, at center, I don't know if a good role-player is good enough. It's probably asking too much for another shaq or olajuwon, but someone who can who can step into a lane and cause the opposing center to doubt there self. Sure Yao was somewhat of a disastor, but you can't tell me that the opposition wasn't intimidated when he first stepped into the post in some of his early games. We need a good mix, we don't want a Robert Traylor-type and we don't want a Shawn Bradley-Type. Do you guys know of any SOLID, Intimidating Centers in the NBA that might be aquireable in the near or somewhat-near future?

[Chef]

If you're looking for intimidation and blocking at the center position, we really thought we'd find that in diop. But something's missing, we need a center that can DOMINATE, at center, I don't know if a good role-player is good enough. It's probably asking too much for another shaq or olajuwon, but someone who can who can step into a lane and cause the opposing center to doubt there self. Sure Yao was somewhat of a disastor, but you can't tell me that the opposition wasn't intimidated when he first stepped into the post in some of his early games. We need a good mix, we don't want a Robert Traylor-type and we don't want a Shawn Bradley-Type. Do you guys know of any SOLID, Intimidating Centers in the NBA that might be aquireable in the near or somewhat-near future?

teams tend to hold on to those guys very very tightly. the only one i could see moving would be bynum IF LA continues to slide and it is apparent kobe needs offensive help. but, i am almost positive our best asset (crash) would not get it done. he wouldn't provide enough offense for them.

other centers who could be moved if the price were right (don't think we have the assets though):
nene
kaman
camby
javale mcgee

oh and welcome aboard. judging by your name, you are upping our diversity quota. jk!

[TheGayKid]

Think of me as the token of this forum XD

[TheGayKid]

How old is Nene by the way? The last thing we would ever need is an older guy at center. Big guy+Age= Knees of death

[ALuhrs704]

idk why everybody is wanting to trade tyrus so fast. even though has had a bad couple of games on offense. his shot blocking and athletic ability is what this team needs. and his mid range jumper is above average for a big man. tyrus is fine, and his is contract isnt that bad. im hoping the bobcats can get javale mcgee, i just dont think we can offer what they would want in return for him. i think johnny flynn would be a good backup 2 dj and he said recently that he expects to be traded. even tho backup pg is not our problem.

[stun704]

Tyrus is the 2nd most valuable player we have on this team, DJ being the first

[LiquidWayno]

There aren't many teams I would think are interested in Tyrus's contract, even if he can produce for them this year. With health and minutes, he can be a major cog here.

[ammofan]

What the heck is up with the Tyrus hate now?

[Marvel]

What the heck is up with the Tyrus hate now?

Because everyone thought he would average 18-10 this season. He needs to start, that's riiiight.... START.
....

[WrxErik]

Based on the numbers Tyrus puts up averaging 20 min per, If you start him he would average around 19 and 9. He would have numbers similar to LaMarcus Aldridge and be better on the defensive side of the floor.

[stun704]

There aren't many teams I would think are interested in Tyrus's contract, even if he can produce for them this year. With health and minutes, he can be a major cog here.

Wow, u guys are really undervaluing this man.. hes only getting paid 6 million this year, for his production that is great. Hes not on a horrible contract

[WrxErik]

Lets not forget he is still young and improving his game. Mj made sure to give him a contract so we will have him when he is in his prime.

[ammofan]

Yall are too caught up in the money. I have said this before. Quit worrying about who is paid what and be worried about the production. Tyrus produces and 6 mill a year is not that much for a good PF these days. Diaw gets paid 9 mill and he does less than Tyrus in more time on the floor.

[WrxErik]

Yall are too caught up in the money. I have said this before. Quit worrying about who is paid what and be worried about the production. Tyrus produces and 6 mill a year is not that much for a good PF these days. Diaw gets paid 9 mill and he does less than Tyrus in more time on the floor.

Amen to that.

[teej]

teams tend to hold on to those guys very very tightly. the only one i could see moving would be bynum IF LA continues to slide and it is apparent kobe needs offensive help. but, i am almost positive our best asset (crash) would not get it done. he wouldn't provide enough offense for them.

other centers who could be moved if the price were right (don't think we have the assets though):
nene
kaman
camby
javale mcgee

oh and welcome aboard. judging by your name, you are upping our diversity quota. jk!

Bynum and McGee aren't going anywhere, Camby isn't coming here, and MJ's already tried to get Kaman. That leaves Nene, and he isn't going anywhere until Melo is traded.

[Chef]

Wow, u guys are really undervaluing this man.. hes only getting paid 6 million this year, for his production that is great. Hes not on a horrible contract

2011: 7.3 mil
2012: 8 mil
2013: 8.6 mil
2014: 9.3 mil

i would love to have tyrus at 5 years 30-35 mil and would not worry about his pay at all. it is the escalating deal that i don't like. i have no love or hate for tyrus. i just don't think he will be as productive over 35-40 min. he is a great energy guy and even ok finishing games, but his bbiq is terrible and i am not sure it is something he will learn. i am afraid we overpaid for potential and slight glimpses of the player he could be. i just don't think he will ever get there.

[Chef]

Bynum and McGee aren't going anywhere, Camby isn't coming here, and MJ's already tried to get Kaman. That leaves Nene, and he isn't going anywhere until Melo is traded.

i don't think any of them are coming here. i was just answering thegaykid's (i don't think it will ever get old writing that) question about potentially available bigs.

[Scottley Crue]

2011: 7.3 mil
2012: 8 mil
2013: 8.6 mil
2014: 9.3 mil

i would love to have tyrus at 5 years 30-35 mil and would not worry about his pay at all. it is the escalating deal that i don't like. i have no love or hate for tyrus. i just don't think he will be as productive over 35-40 min. he is a great energy guy and even ok finishing games, but his bbiq is terrible and i am not sure it is something he will learn. i am afraid we overpaid for potential and slight glimpses of the player he could be. i just don't think he will ever get there.

I thought his contract was declining and $12 million was an up-front bonus. Now, that bonus is spread out over the life of the contract in terms of cap #'s, but I swear his deal is front loaded, so it's essentially a 5 year, $28 million deal that decreases each year plus a little above $2 million tacked on as far as the cap is concerned. I'm quite alright with that deal for him.

[Chef]

I thought his contract was declining and $12 million was an up-front bonus. Now, that bonus is spread out over the life of the contract in terms of cap #'s, but I swear his deal is front loaded, so it's essentially a 5 year, $28 million deal that decreases each year plus a little above $2 million tacked on as far as the cap is concerned. I'm quite alright with that deal for him.

not sure what you are saying. post it as salary per year. i got these numbers from hoopshype.com/salaries. if this is not correct, i am happy to change my stance.

[teej]

NJ offered him a frontloaded deal like Scottely is saying, but he didn't sign that and signed a standard backloaded deal with us. Chef's numbers are correct.

[Scottley Crue]

NJ offered him a frontloaded deal like Scottely is saying, but he didn't sign that and signed a standard backloaded deal with us. Chef's numbers are correct.

Ok, I was under the impression that he signed a frontloaded deal with us. Sorry for any confusion there.

[LiquidWayno]

I understand that his contract is not outrageous this year. With the CBA looming, 5 year contracts that increase each year are not exactly in demand in my opinion.

[TheGayKid]

Is it just me, or does it seem like the Cats have a "Losers" reputation that hurts it in getting deals that would make the team better? :g:

[rsxnova]

Roy Hibbert was benched in favor of Jeff Foster. Time to call the Pacers and offer the farm.

[Chef]

daily dime reporting cassipi is available. would you guys entertain this. udrich is not a good contract but i think he is good and can put up good numbers in our system, garcia is a wretched contract. could be a good start to a rebuild. not sure how much i like giving up dj though. the choice is, do we think he will be worth 6-7 mil per year when he goes FA.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=23rhxhd

[stun704]

daily dime reporting cassipi is available. would you guys entertain this. udrich is not a good contract but i think he is good and can put up good numbers in our system, garcia is a wretched contract. could be a good start to a rebuild. not sure how much i like giving up dj though. the choice is, do we think he will be worth 6-7 mil per year when he goes FA.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=23rhxhd
Horrid trade, terrible youth except for jason thompson, theres a reason they are 6-24 no thanks.

[Chef]

Horrid trade, terrible youth except for jason thompson, theres a reason they are 6-24 no thanks.

so you are saying you don't like cassipi? what would you give up for him? anything or is he a do not want?

he is tough. career 39% from 3, 42% fg, good rebounder. not sure about his defense.

[stun704]

so you are saying you don't like cassipi? what would you give up for him? anything or is he a do not want?

he is tough. career 39% from 3, 42% fg, good rebounder. not sure about his defense.
not really.. hes not a need, we have too many SF's as it is

[teej]

I'd love Casspi if only for the same reason I wanted Sun Yue or Yi. But not unless we get rid of at least two of Crash, Dom, and UPS.

[Chef]

I'd love Casspi if only for the same reason I wanted Sun Yue or Yi. But not unless we get rid of at least two of Crash, Dom, and UPS.

that's why i had crash out in the trade. dom and ups are actually contributors in different ways but the problem is neither can shoot. if cassipi can reliably make 3's we could use him for sure. of course, i would rather have gallanari at sf.

[spectre]

Is it just me, or does it seem like the Cats have a "Losers" reputation that hurts it in getting deals that would make the team better? :g:

We have the reputation of being run by Daffy Duck.

Generally when looking at trade ideas I try and find the most "fair" swap for all teams...then I screw us over in some way (bad contract, etc.) and figure that'll be what's most realistic.

Welcome, BTW.

[Proudiddy]

So, with Caron Butler going down for the Mavs, I was thinking...

We may have some pieces that could help them, and at the same time, we could get them back for Diop, Damp, and Najera...

So here's what I got:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2d9fbl8

Out:
Crash

In:
Brendan Haywood
Roddy Beaubois
Dominique Jones

throw in their first rounder and I'm good.

[Chef]

So, with Caron Butler going down for the Mavs, I was thinking...

We may have some pieces that could help them, and at the same time, we could get them back for Diop, Damp, and Najera...

So here's what I got:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2d9fbl8

Out:
Crash

In:
Brendan Haywood
Roddy Beaubois
Dominique Jones

throw in their first rounder and I'm good.

no way in hell do i want any part of haywood or his overpaid contract.

[Proudiddy]

no way in hell do i want any part of haywood or his overpaid contract.

He and Nazr are making the same thing this year. I know Haywood's contract is longer, but he's a pretty good big, at least serviceable, and it would help our weakest position on the court.

[Chef]

He and Nazr are making the same thing this year. I know Haywood's contract is longer, but he's a pretty good big, at least serviceable, and it would help our weakest position on the court.

$6,900,000

$7,624,500 2011

$8,349,000 2012

$9,073,500 2013

$9,798,000 2014

team option 10.5 2015

no thank you. going into cba, not sure if there will be a hard cap or not plus he only plays when he needs to get paid. the only way i would even think about it, would be if we are guaranteed to be able to turn him around to orlando and get jj reddick back.

[WAM9]

I have to agree that Haywood is one of the last guys in the league I would want to acquire. Even if they were giving him away.

[Proudiddy]

Sorry, had no idea his contract was back-loaded and thought I remembered he got a relatively good deal for his market value... I was wrong, lol. That's a horrible contract. I wish we could get Tyson back but I KNOW that isn't happening.

[Fred Williamson]

and even if his contract wasn't that bad I wouldn't do that trade. Haywood's not that good anymore and the other two guys involved in this trade are garbage.

[Proudiddy]

Beaubois??? I think not. I just threw Jones in for filler, but Beaubois is a baller (that is if he heals from his injury 100%).

[Chef]

Beaubois??? I think not. I just threw Jones in for filler, but Beaubois is a baller (that is if he heals from his injury 100%).

he is good or at least shows glimpses that he can be special

[SWedd523]

Whoever says Roddy isn't good is a moron.

I'd trade Crash for Roddy, but I doubt Dallas would.

[ammofan]

I think Dallas would do the deal....they are going to be desparate to get someone.

[Proudiddy]

That's why I thought it would be a pretty good deal because both teams gain something they want/need, while Dallas takes on less salary long-term. Plus, they want to get rid of Haywood now I think...

[Plowright]

am i stupid in thinking this could happen and both teams like it?

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=27lfuoc

[BETCATS]

Just going off the slim chance Rod still is on good terms with somebody in G-State:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2g2ca9s

[Absinthe]

Dallas will not get rid of Beaubois. He'll take over for Kidd when Kidd retires. Not to mention that he is a phenomenal talent that has been buried on the bench/injured. They'll shop Haywood and Stevenson (Stevenson is an expiring contract, apparently).

[Fred Williamson]

Beaubois is a is 6'1" shooting guard. He managed 7points and 1assist over his career and couldn't manage to start to over that old fart Jason Kidd or get minutes over Jason Terry. He's in the same category as Bayless, Mills, Flynn, Douglas and other superquick comboguards. If those guys are burried on the bench people say "omfg this guy is such a talent, he needs to play!!!!!", but when they get the chance they straight out suck and people realize they are not starter material or not that good(see Bayless in Toronto). I watch a lot of Mavs games because of Dirk, but I'm not sold on Beaubois. Beaubois hasn't proven anything yet and is just a good prospect. Good scorer but pretty much sucks on any other aspect. And apart from that, what do we need him for? We have DJ as our starter at PG.

[ohara831]

I just want a do over. Going back a few years. That's all. Is that too much to ask?

[Chef]

I just want a do over. Going back a few years. That's all. Is that too much to ask?

copied this over from the hendo thread, probably more appropriate here.

hendo clearly shows some promise as a role player in the league. but, he is pretty much useless for us. if a trade comes along i have absolutely zero reservations in moving him. we need to acquire a whole new team. as far as i am concerned we no true starting pieces to build a team around. we need to move as many pieces as we can for draft picks. at this point, i could care less about bad contracts that are 3 or less years long. as long as we get draft picks. build through the draft (hopefully past drafting history does not repeat itself) and have the bad contracts ending when we need to extend our rookies.

[spectre]

I wonder how tuned in Bill Ingram is to the FO's way of thinking (assuming they are "thinking")?



Kurtis in Tokyo:

What would it take for Utah to get Iggy or Gerald Wallace?


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Bill Ingram:

Good morning, Tokyo! I don't believe the Jazz can get either one of them, frankly. The Cats would move Wallace for Carmelo, but that's about the only way he leaves Charlotte. Iggy is not on the market at the moment. The Sixers are improving daily . . .





Mark Cuban in Dallas, TX:

Should I now put my trade chips on the line and talk to Charlotte about Gerald Wallace since Caron is likely done for the year? Iggy in Philly?



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Bill Ingram:

The Mavs don't have what the Bobcats or Sixers would want. Not sure you get Iggy anyway, and the Bobcats were unlikely to move Wallace before. . . now they'll wait and see how things go with Silas for the next few weeks before making rash decisions.

Read more NBA news and insight: http://www.hoopsworld.com/chat.asp?chat_topics_id=1360&status=Inactive#ixzz1A65fOmAW

[Absinthe]

Beaubois is a is 6'1" shooting guard. He managed 7points and 1assist over his career and couldn't manage to start to over that old fart Jason Kidd or get minutes over Jason Terry. He's in the same category as Bayless, Mills, Flynn, Douglas and other superquick comboguards. If those guys are burried on the bench people say "omfg this guy is such a talent, he needs to play!!!!!", but when they get the chance they straight out suck and people realize they are not starter material or not that good(see Bayless in Toronto). I watch a lot of Mavs games because of Dirk, but I'm not sold on Beaubois. Beaubois hasn't proven anything yet and is just a good prospect. Good scorer but pretty much sucks on any other aspect. And apart from that, what do we need him for? We have DJ as our starter at PG.

He can play point. He's a great talent and he was going to start for them at SG this year before he was injured. If he was going to start over Jason Terry then it's obvious that they're high on him and he won't be traded.

[mrtarheel]

Got this link off of the Suns board on realgm

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=1081110

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3ybvrg6

This works for me but we would have to find a pf from somewhere, maybe http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=399od23. Problems solved

[ammofan]

Got this link off of the Suns board on realgm

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=1081110

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3ybvrg6

This works for me but we would have to find a pf from somewhere, maybe http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=399od23. Problems solved

2nd Boris deal: heck yea and Eddie for Landry: HELL YES

[LiquidWayno]

Sactown would laugh their asses off at a Eddy for Landry trade. I like Robin (I wanted to take Brook & Robin, or Brook and Chalmers in 2008's draft), but Josh Childress's deal would be straight MURDAH (said in Ja Rule voice).

[Proudiddy]

Good news, maybe... Ken Berg from CBS just tweeted that OJ Mayo and Tony Allen got in a fight on the team flight that left Mayo with a swollen face... Could speed up a trade for Mayo?

[teej]

Mayo started that fight. DO NOT WANT, at all. Not only did Mayo refuse to pay off his debt, but he got his ass kicked. You don't want a guy who starts fights and loses them. And IIRC Tony is a smaller guy than OJ. Stay away unless its Diop for OJ straight up.

[stun704]

Mayo started that fight. DO NOT WANT, at all. Not only did Mayo refuse to pay off his debt, but he got his ass kicked. You don't want a guy who starts fights and loses them. And IIRC Tony is a smaller guy than OJ. Stay away unless its Diop for OJ straight up.

"history is written by the victor" Regardless, IDC what OJ does off the court, he could be the next "OJ" for all i care, I Just want him on this team.

[Chef]

Sactown would laugh their asses off at a Eddy for Landry trade. I like Robin (I wanted to take Brook & Robin, or Brook and Chalmers in 2008's draft), but Josh Childress's deal would be straight MURDAH (said in Ja Rule voice).

absolutely hell no to childress in any deal probably even including steve nash.

[Chef]

Mayo started that fight. DO NOT WANT, at all. Not only did Mayo refuse to pay off his debt, but he got his ass kicked. You don't want a guy who starts fights and loses them. And IIRC Tony is a smaller guy than OJ. Stay away unless its Diop for OJ straight up.

how do you know it was over debt?

never mind just saw it on realgm. can't believe the team let it be known it was over gambling debt. go with unspecified reasons and deny gambling. stern may crackdown now, given the arenas thing last year.

[TheGayKid]

Great, let's get Mayo so we can become the "Oakland Raiders" of the NBA :facepalm:

[TheGayKid]

While we're at it, let's bring Sprewell outa retirement so we can bring a new "Strangle-foul" aspect to the game

[ammofan]

Dalembert is unhappy in SAC(like everyone would/should be lol) and a trade is being discussed involving him. I bet we are thinking about getting him...

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/70981/20110106/dalembert_vents_over_role_trade_being_discussed/

[ammofan]

Mavs want Jack? Or did want him?

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/259153?eref=twitter_feed

[bbh2020]

Jax would be a great fit w/ Dallas, but I don't see us doing for just Butler's expiring. There would have to be a 1st rd'er in there and/or Roddy B.

Yet while sources with knowledge of the team's thinking say there is indeed some sentiment within the organization to pursue Stephen Jackson -- who was hoping to land with the Mavs last season when Golden State dealt him to Charlotte instead -- one source told ESPNDallas.com that the smaller-scale acquisition of a player who can fit into the Mavs' available $3 million trade exception ranks as the more likely move for now (http://espn.go.com/blog/DallasMavericks/post/_/id/4673077/whats-in-store-for-the-mavericks). ESPN.com (http://espn.go.com/blog/DallasMavericks/post/_/id/4673077/whats-in-store-for-the-mavericks)
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Team officials consider the Mavs' in-house harmony to be the best seen in their locker room for years, but sources say that it's really not chemistry concerns that would put them off the edgy Jackson. Not with Nowitzki and Kidd -- veterans Jackson respects -- around to bond with him. (http://espn.go.com/blog/DallasMavericks/post/_/id/4673077/whats-in-store-for-the-mavericks) And not with Jackson's proven abilities to make 3s, play dogged D and perform in the playoffs ... all of which would have sounded appealing even with Butler healthy. ESPN.com (http://espn.go.com/blog/DallasMavericks/post/_/id/4673077/whats-in-store-for-the-mavericks)
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The pause with Jackson would be mostly financial, since Jackson turns 33 in April and is only in the first year of a new three-year contract valued at $28 million. (http://espn.go.com/blog/DallasMavericks/post/_/id/4673077/whats-in-store-for-the-mavericks) Dallas would be discouraged further if Bobcats owner Michael Jordan holds out for more than a mere Butler-for- Jackson salary dump. The ex-Warrior wouldn’t be as pricy as going for Philadelphia's Andre Iguodala -- who isn't as well-rounded offensively as Jackson and thus not nearly as appealing from a fit standpoint -- but one source close to the situation says Cuban would have to be sold that acquiring Jackson is an “over the top” move. ESPN.com (http://espn.go.com/blog/DallasMavericks/post/_/id/4673077/whats-in-store-for-the-mavericks)

[Boomer]

Since when are the Mavs concerned about taking on salary? Its not like they're going to be under the LT anytime soon

[Chef]

i would gladly do butler for jax. they will take on salary. they don't have many seasons left in the dirk/kid/terry window and they know it.

i would do this all day
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2dyek67

we get out of jax's contract and get a decent rookie sg back. yeah he was in the d-league but he can ball. risk free player.

they owe us at least a reach around after the DUSTy raping we got this summer.

[ammofan]

i would gladly do butler for jax. they will take on salary. they don't have many seasons left in the dirk/kid/terry window and they know it.

i would do this all day
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2dyek67

we get out of jax's contract and get a decent rookie sg back. yeah he was in the d-league but he can ball. risk free player.

they owe us at least a reach around after the DUSTy raping we got this summer.

Heck no to that deal....

[spectre]

LMAO at the Lollipop getting a deal like that from Cuban! At the very least we'd have to do a Nazr/Haywood swap...and even then Cuban would probably ask for a future 1st.

[Chef]

LMAO at the Lollipop getting a deal like that from Cuban! At the very least we'd have to do a Nazr/Haywood swap...and even then Cuban would probably ask for a future 1st.

sadly u r probably right

[onajourney]

The following is from Ian Thomsen's mailbag on SI.com. I agree with him completely in that the essential return we should be looking for if we trade Jack or GW is either draft picks or considerations that free us up financially. You build for the short term if you are a player or two away from competing for a conference title. I'd say the Bobcats clearly fall into the "building for the long term" category now.




With Gerald Wallace out for a couple weeks and DeSagana Diop out for the rest of the season with a ruptured Achilles', the Bobcats are beyond depleted. What now? Who should they go after?
-- Chris, Matthews, N.C.

They aren't going to make trades that take on long-term salary, Chris. The Bobcats are among the smaller-market franchises waiting for relief from revenue-sharing and a new collective bargaining agreement after this season. It makes no sense for owner Michael Jordan to develop a team for the final months of a system in which he can't compete financially. He needs to position himself for a new era when he may be able to compete with the richer franchises. So if he can unload the contracts of Stephen Jackson (owed $19.4 million over the next two seasons) or Wallace ($21 million for the next two seasons) in a promising way that delivers draft picks and other considerations for the future, then he should have at it.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/ian_thomsen/01/06/oregon.ducks.fast.break/index.html#ixzz1AHi6BWRn

[rsxnova]

Roddy should not be considered over the top if they are looking to win now.

[ohara831]

The following is from Ian Thomsen's mailbag on SI.com. I agree with him completely in that the essential return we should be looking for if we trade Jack or GW is either draft picks or considerations that free us up financially. You build for the short term if you are a player or two away from competing for a conference title. I'd say the Bobcats clearly fall into the "building for the long term" category now.




With Gerald Wallace out for a couple weeks and DeSagana Diop out for the rest of the season with a ruptured Achilles', the Bobcats are beyond depleted. What now? Who should they go after?
-- Chris, Matthews, N.C.

They aren't going to make trades that take on long-term salary, Chris. The Bobcats are among the smaller-market franchises waiting for relief from revenue-sharing and a new collective bargaining agreement after this season. It makes no sense for owner Michael Jordan to develop a team for the final months of a system in which he can't compete financially. He needs to position himself for a new era when he may be able to compete with the richer franchises. So if he can unload the contracts of Stephen Jackson (owed $19.4 million over the next two seasons) or Wallace ($21 million for the next two seasons) in a promising way that delivers draft picks and other considerations for the future, then he should have at it.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/ian_thomsen/01/06/oregon.ducks.fast.break/index.html#ixzz1AHi6BWRn

He's right. Unfortunately. But we are still on the edge of being a 7th or 8th seed. A conundrum.

[adam187]

How about something like this:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=23rjurj

CHA In: Butler, Roddy B, and Jason Thompson
Sac In: DJ
Dallas In: S-Jax and Collins

The problems: DJ means more to us than just a simple JT swap. Roddy + Butler for Jax (and his salary) is a tough swallow for Dallas. Ideally 1st round picks could be used to even things out but we don't have any to give and no way in hell does Sacramento give up theirs when it looks like they'll have number 1 overall. Sigh. Maybe throw in some protections? I dunno. Maybe include Sac-towns second rounder to Dallas? Still probably not enough for the Mavs though.

[rsxnova]

Take it and run.

[BETCATS]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=26y9ovm

In: Haywood, Butler, Jones, Cardinal
Out: Nazr, Jackson, Diop

Why it works for us - We get a starting center and a young shooting guard for the long term and 2 expiring contracts that combine to $11 million in the short term. Cardinal also gives us additional depth at PF, which could come in handy since Tyrus isnt 100% this year.

Why it works for Dallas- Jackson will fit in their system. In the playoffs he will be able to stick with Kobe and Ginobolli better than anyone else on their roster can. This move would cement them as the top team in the western conference. Nazr is an expiring and Diop will expire after next year.

[Fred Williamson]

oh god no, Haywood's contract is awful

[rsxnova]

As much as i hate to say it, Haywood is an upgrade over anything we have at C. I would be willing to take him on if we could get Roddy involved.

[TheBeagle]

He's right. Unfortunately. But we are still on the edge of being a 7th or 8th seed. A conundrum. See, I don't know if it's a conundrum or not, ohara. I understand we weren't playing the greatest team ever assembled last night in MIN, but it also shouldn't be dismissed that we won our first road game in two months without the two "captains." The guys that suited up last night played hard and played together with nice ball movement; these qualties are rare when GW, and to a greater extent, Jack are in the lineup.

Maybe if we trade both, we'll kiss the playoffs goodbye, but I say if we ship Jack off for a pick, it will in no way prevent us from competiting for a playoff spot 'til the end; in fact, I argue we're a better team without him.

[Black]

The Warriors released Rodney Careny, just thought it was worth mentioning.

[Chef]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=26y9ovm

In: Haywood, Butler, Jones, Cardinal
Out: Nazr, Jackson, Diop

Why it works for us - We get a starting center and a young shooting guard for the long term and 2 expiring contracts that combine to $11 million in the short term. Cardinal also gives us additional depth at PF, which could come in handy since Tyrus isnt 100% this year.

Why it works for Dallas- Jackson will fit in their system. In the playoffs he will be able to stick with Kobe and Ginobolli better than anyone else on their roster can. This move would cement them as the top team in the western conference. Nazr is an expiring and Diop will expire after next year.

good god no. haywood is terrible and on a terrible contract. the fact that he is an upgrade over our centers now does not mean anything considering they are a collective steaming pile of dog poop.

[Chef]

Roddy should not be considered over the top if they are looking to win now.

roddy may, but not for jax. jax is an unwanted contract around the league. we would be lucky to get back anything other than butler. if they move roddy (which they won't) why not call up philly and offer roddy, pick and butler for iggy and really go for it.

[Chef]

good read on the subject. mavs reporter. not actual news though just insight. pretty sure roddy buckets is off limits unless a really great offer (read: not jax) comes along. i would definitely do the deal i suggested earlier and if we could squeeze a 2012 first (unprotected) and cash out of the deal, i would be very very happy.

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/mavericks/post/_/id/4673105/inside-skinny-thoughts-on-upgrading-the-roster

[Chef]

another dallas trade options article. my bet is jax at the deadline. iggy will just end up costing too much as far as roddy b and picks go.

http://www.foxsportssouthwest.com/01/06/11/How-Mavs-might-line-up-top-five-trade-ta/landing.html?blockID=386358&feedID=3799

[Marvel]

Jax would push Dallas over the edge. He wouldn't be relied upon to make plays like he's doing here, his primary role would be a scorer, sort of a mirror image of his role in Golden State.

I wouldn't hesitate for a second, if i could get Roddy for Jax in a trade package.

[rsxnova]

another dallas trade options article. my bet is jax at the deadline. iggy will just end up costing too much as far as roddy b and picks go.

http://www.foxsportssouthwest.com/01/06/11/How-Mavs-might-line-up-top-five-trade-ta/landing.html?blockID=386358&feedID=3799

Iggy costs to much and Jack is a better fit.

[ammofan]

Iggy costs to much and Jack is a better fit.

.....Thats just because we dont want him lol

[rsxnova]

.....Thats just because we dont want him lol

But it is true that SJax fits better as a scorer rather than Iggys, whatever the hell he does.

[Chef]

But it is true that SJax fits better as a scorer rather than Iggys, whatever the hell he does.

iggy is much more like caron butler than jax is, if you are going with the upgrade butler option.

[ALuhrs704]

roddy b has done just as much as DJ in the league so far if not less, so idk why everyone is all over him. its likes jj hickson with cleveland how they wouldnt trade him in the potential amare deal when he is doing nothing now 4 them. although i like roddy b's potential alot. however, i agree that jax needs to be gone. he plays poor defense and takes way to many low percentage shots.

[TheBeagle]

another dallas trade options article. my bet is jax at the deadline. iggy will just end up costing too much as far as roddy b and picks go.

http://www.foxsportssouthwest.com/01/06/11/How-Mavs-might-line-up-top-five-trade-ta/landing.html?blockID=386358&feedID=3799 LOL. "Enforcer" mentality?!?! Who the hell is afraid of Jack on the court? Who has he ever enforced? (Once again, on the court.) Just cause a dude wears a scowl and gets T'd by refs, does not an enforcer make. Raja was an enforcer. Jack, no way.

ALuhrs704, you're right on. Depending on the matchup, he plays passable defense, but generally not so much. But his poor shot selection, forced passes and other unforced TOs really negate any good he does out there. It was great to see Silas take him out early in the 1st after his poor play, something even Larry never did. And best of all, he came back playing much better. Still, must move him to CHI to get our pick back for '12 draft or somewhere else that is beneficial. We can and will compete just as well (or better) without him as with him, so what's the point of keeping him?

[Twan's Kin]

Is Caron Butler more of a small forward or a power forward?

[Black]

Is Caron Butler more of a small forward or a power forward?

He can play the 2 or the 3, but certainly not the 4.

[ammofan]

Is Caron Butler more of a small forward or a power forward?

He's like 6'7".......for sure a 2

[rsxnova]

We should try and jump in the new NJ/DET/DEN Melo talks. Move Diaw to Den for Harris and then DJ for JT.

Harris/Liv/Fatty
Jack/Hendo/Matt
Crash/DB/DMac
TT/Eddie
JT/Naz/Brown

THis team easily makes the playoffs and leaves room to move Naz before the deadline for more support.

[BlockParty]

We should try and jump in the new NJ/DET/DEN Melo talks. Move Diaw to Den for Harris and then DJ for JT.

After Melo called MJ out about not resigning with Charlotte, Charlotte will not participate in any trade the helps Melo land on a team in the east.

The gamble for Melo is, if he goes into this offseason without be traded and without resigning he is unemployed and receiving money from no NBA team if the CBA ends up in a lockout into the season. That is very unlikely to happen as Denver should be smart enough to learn from Toronto and Cleveland's mistakes last season/summer and Melo will be moved by the trade deadline. However, if Denver sticks their head in the sand AND if Melo sticks to his guns (about not resigning with Denver) and there is no lockout, he can actually go to a team as a free agent without having to give away future draft picks.

[Chef]

After Melo called MJ out about not resigning with Charlotte, Charlotte will not participate in any trade the helps Melo land on a team in the east.

The gamble for Melo is, if he goes into this offseason without be traded and without resigning he is unemployed and receiving money from no NBA team if the CBA ends up in a lockout into the season. That is very unlikely to happen as Denver should be smart enough to learn from Toronto and Cleveland's mistakes last season/summer and Melo will be moved by the trade deadline. However, if Denver sticks their head in the sand AND if Melo sticks to his guns (about not resigning with Denver) and there is no lockout, he can actually go to a team as a free agent without having to give away future draft picks.

my guess is denver wants harris to move onto sacramento. they have already said they would like cassipi. probably a harris and birdman to sac cassipi, jt, udrich and pick back to denver. something like that.

[Boomer]

We should try and jump in the new NJ/DET/DEN Melo talks. Move Diaw to Den for Harris and then DJ for JT.

Harris/Liv/Fatty
Jack/Hendo/Matt
Crash/DB/DMac
TT/Eddie
JT/Naz/Brown

THis team easily makes the playoffs and leaves room to move Naz before the deadline for more support.

I'd like to hold on to DJ for the time being unless we get an unbelievable deal (and this ain't it)

[Proudiddy]

Reportedly, the deal is getting hung up right now because they're trying to get the Pistons to take on Johan Petro's contract, IIRC.

So, now they're looking for a team that can jump in and take that contract for them so the deal can go through. I'm sure the team that takes him on can demand something along with him for doing so...

Petro is a big, which we need, and maybe we can find a way to swing something else out of the deal if we throw in Diaw as I also read one of the teams will only have 5 players to dress if the trade goes through.

[Chef]

Reportedly, the deal is getting hung up right now because they're trying to get the Pistons to take on Johan Petro's contract, IIRC.

So, now they're looking for a team that can jump in and take that contract for them so the deal can go through. I'm sure the team that takes him on can demand something along with him for doing so...

Petro is a big, which we need, and maybe we can find a way to swing something else out of the deal if we throw in Diaw as I also read one of the teams will only have 5 players to dress if the trade goes through.

don't know anything about him aside he is a big. his contract is just about identical to matty c's. not sure what we could do, maybe get rid of matt to nj. if for no other reason we should do it so orlando can't and they end up giving us jj for nazr.

[Proudiddy]

Sounds good to me, I think we need to unload some guys - Najera, Carroll, DIAW maybe even UPS at this point and get a big or point back. Whatever it takes.

[TheBeagle]

After Melo called MJ out about not resigning with Charlotte, Charlotte will not participate in any trade the helps Melo land on a team in the east.

Sounds great to me. Anything to facilitate that punk going anywhere I want no part of. Only trade if it nets us picks or expiring contracts and/or rids us of Jack or GW. This organization has done enough trades that bring in albatross contracts to last a lifetime....upside down !no mas!

[GoBobs]

If we do a Dallas trade I want Lexy back.

[Chef]

If we do a Dallas trade I want Lexy back.

serious or joke?

[Fred Williamson]

Sounds good to me, I think we need to unload some guys - Najera, Carroll, DIAW maybe even UPS at this point and get a big or point back. Whatever it takes.

what's up with all that "unload" Diaw crap? You're talking about him like he has been the worst player on our team, but fact is, he's our most consistent and probably best player this season. "unload" him and you're going to see how this team will go downhill. And you can't be serious about a Petro for Diaw trade.

[BlockParty]

what's up with all that "unload" Diaw crap? You're talking about him like he has been the worst player on our team, but fact is, he's our most consistent and probably best player this season. "unload" him and you're going to see how this team will go downhill. And you can't be serious about a Petro for Diaw trade.

I agree Diaw gets a bad rap, however, DJ is by far our best value this year. There have been games where he disappeared under LB and he doesn't have the versatility to guard multiple positions like Diaw, but we are paying him 27 cents on the dollar of what we are paying Diaw (or GW or Jack).

Also...when is the last time Diaw missed more a game? He missed 3 games during the time when he was traded to the Cats (though he still played in 81 games that year) so it's been since May of 2007 since he missed a game. http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3724/career;_ylt=AowHj90qm.XUJ6YAHt1c.EXZPKB4

[stun704]

Hold onto Diaw, because he will be a 100x more valuable player next year if he keeps up this play with a 9 million expiring contract. Also only key player we should be looking to move is Crash for an Al Jefferson type center. we have enough Crash clones where he becomes expendable.

[Pepperz]

Im interested in a Jackson for Mayo and Thabeet trade. We get younger and people with upside. Mayo becomes the main scorer and is a great complementary player to DJ. Thabeet is more of a project. After the whole Larry Brown fiasco. It makes me question his judgment. Maybe our players like Brown, Henderson, and DJ are alot better then what we give them credit for. IMO, Thabeet just needs to beef up a bit and work with the right coach to bring out his true potential. The Oak man can be that right coach.

[Chef]

Im interested in a Jackson for Mayo and Thabeet trade. We get younger and people with upside. Mayo becomes the main scorer and is a great complementary player to DJ. Thabeet is more of a project. After the whole Larry Brown fiasco. It makes me question his judgment. Maybe our players like Brown, Henderson, and DJ are alot better then what we give them credit for. IMO, Thabeet just needs to beef up a bit and work with the right coach to bring out his true potential. The Oak man can be that right coach.

i would be extremely interested in this trade, except memphis would not even be remotely interested in this shitty trade.

[Pepperz]

i would be extremely interested in this trade, except memphis would not even be remotely interested in this shitty trade.

This may be very true but Mayo's value is at a all time low with the fight recently and Thabeet is considered a bust by many(I just think he hasnt had enough time to develop as you can see Darko is just now starting to turn his career around). Memphis is a good team and with the addition of Jack, it can give them a good push for the playoffs. To sweeten the pot for them, I would throw in a 2nd round AT MOST.

[Chef]

This may be very true but Mayo's value is at a all time low with the fight recently and Thabeet is considered a bust by many(I just think he hasnt had enough time to develop as you can see Darko is just now starting to turn his career around). Memphis is a good team and with the addition of Jack, it can give them a good push for the playoffs. To sweeten the pot for them, I would throw in a 2nd round AT MOST.

it's not jack's play, it's his contract. if we could switch his deal with diaw's they may consider it.

[Pepperz]

it's not jack's play, it's his contract. if we could switch his deal with diaw's they may consider it.

While Jackson might bring more to the team then Diaw does, we would have a log jam at the guard spot and we would be spreading our self thin at the forward position. Plus Diaw's contract is going to be a lot more enticing next year. IMO, it would be best(short and long)to get them to jump at Jackson more so then Diaw.

[ammofan]

I would keep Jack before Gerald/Boris.....but for Mayo/Thabeet I would probably do it. Jack tore up Mayo tonight tho!

[Chef]

While Jackson might bring more to the team then Diaw does, we would have a log jam at the guard spot and we would be spreading our self thin at the forward position. Plus Diaw's contract is going to be a lot more enticing next year. IMO, it would be best(short and long)to get them to jump at Jackson more so then Diaw.

you missed my point. instantly give jack diaw's contract ie if jax were this year and next at 9 mil rather than 3 years at 8.5mil they may go for a jax/mayo deal.

[coldhardtruth2330]

Jack for Mayo, did anyone not watch the game last night?

[Chef]

Jack for Mayo, did anyone not watch the game last night?

yeah not exactly a stellar game for mayo.

[Chef]

would anybody want to do this:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4tthdaq

+ a first rounder to us from Minnesota (whatever pick they were supposedly giving new york for randolph)

i would do it in a heartbeat. plus, it would make new york that much more fun to watch.

[Chef]

would anybody want to do this:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4tthdaq

+ a first rounder to us from Minnesota (whatever pick they were supposedly giving new york for randolph)

i would do it in a heartbeat. plus, it would make new york that much more fun to watch.

nevermind the first post

had to change it to the rumored randolph trade with minn which was ridenour + utah's first for douglas and randolph. figured we would have to throw in nazr instead of kwame. here is the new deal based on that

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4hqmwsv

or new with kwame

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4jj6pe9

figure new york won't take on ridenour if they are only getting in wallace and kwame, so telfair for ridenour. utah pick still to us.

[Boomer]

Jack for Mayo, did anyone not watch the game last night?

It's one game plus Jack is 32, Mayo is 23

[Weezy21]

With the current Melo trade possibly going down...would yall do this follow up trade with Denver?

Nene and Harrington

For

Wallace and Nazy

Line-up
C-Nene/Kwame
PF-Tyrus/Harrington
SF-Diaw/Brown
SG-Jack/Hendo
PG-DJ/Liv

[spectre]

Bill Ingram:


Dustin in Houston, Texas:
Are you hearing any trade chatter surrounding the Rockets? I really would like to see Stephen Jackson in red, do you think he can play the 3? His tenacity and defense would be nice next to Martin.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/images/hw_icon.gif
Bill Ingram:

Teams are calling about Battier and the Rockets are looking for an All-Star to be their new franchise player. As of this weekend, nothing is close . . .I'd also be shocked to see Jackson moved. Charlotte can't afford to let another of their top players go . . .can't see them moving him, though he is definitely in demand!

Read more NBA news and insight: http://www.hoopsworld.com/chat.asp?chat_topics_id=1371&status=Inactive#ixzz1AqU35vaX

[Chef]

Bill Ingram:


Dustin in Houston, Texas:
Are you hearing any trade chatter surrounding the Rockets? I really would like to see Stephen Jackson in red, do you think he can play the 3? His tenacity and defense would be nice next to Martin.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/images/hw_icon.gif
Bill Ingram:

Teams are calling about Battier and the Rockets are looking for an All-Star to be their new franchise player. As of this weekend, nothing is close . . .I'd also be shocked to see Jackson moved. Charlotte can't afford to let another of their top players go . . .can't see them moving him, though he is definitely in demand!

Read more NBA news and insight: http://www.hoopsworld.com/chat.asp?chat_topics_id=1371&status=Inactive#ixzz1AqU35vaX

not sure how tuned into our team he is. i would think if even a decent deal comes along we move him. his salary is something that we would definitely not want on the books going into the cba. also, not sure what "def in demand" means. if he means bad deals than probably, if he means deals that are mutually beneficial or fair not so sure.

[Chef]

With the current Melo trade possibly going down...would yall do this follow up trade with Denver?

Nene and Harrington

For

Wallace and Nazy

Line-up
C-Nene/Kwame
PF-Tyrus/Harrington
SF-Diaw/Brown
SG-Jack/Hendo
PG-DJ/Liv

not even a little bit. too much salary, too old, too fragile.

[ammofan]

Bill Ingram:


Dustin in Houston, Texas:
Are you hearing any trade chatter surrounding the Rockets? I really would like to see Stephen Jackson in red, do you think he can play the 3? His tenacity and defense would be nice next to Martin.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/images/hw_icon.gif
Bill Ingram:

Teams are calling about Battier and the Rockets are looking for an All-Star to be their new franchise player. As of this weekend, nothing is close . . .I'd also be shocked to see Jackson moved. Charlotte can't afford to let another of their top players go . . .can't see them moving him, though he is definitely in demand!

Read more NBA news and insight: http://www.hoopsworld.com/chat.asp?chat_topics_id=1371&status=Inactive#ixzz1AqU35vaX

Good...Exactly what i ahve been saying: We cant deal our best player(Unless we get someone equally good in return...)

I just want us to make some sort of trade though. Boris can go anytime. Yes, he has been okay this year but he is expendable and tyrus is better.

[spectre]

Bill Ingram & being tuned in...I'd say better than most others not in Charlotte. I seem to remember him telling me once in an email that we're his 2nd favorite team (behind Houston).

Didn't Teej do an interview with Ingram in the recent past?

He also said later on that he doubted Crash being moved. We were making him available (for a change) but that we were asking a lot.

If the FO moves Boris I think they'll regret it.

[ammofan]

Bill Ingram & being tuned in...I'd say better than most others not in Charlotte. I seem to remember him telling me once in an email that we're his 2nd favorite team (behind Houston).

Didn't Teej do an interview with Ingram in the recent past?

He also said later on that he doubted Crash being moved. We were making him available (for a change) but that we were asking a lot.

If the FO moves Boris I think they'll regret it.

Boris is such a borderline player. He doesnt do a whole lot here but I know what your saying about regretting letting him go.

[DY_nasty]

If the FO moves Boris I think they'll regret it.
I'm of the same opinion. I don't like Boris at all either... No matter which way the FO thinks that the team should go next, Boris is going to be necessary. At least for a little while longer. Tyrus still isn't there yet.

[Chef]

I'm of the same opinion. I don't like Boris at all either... No matter which way the FO thinks that the team should go next, Boris is going to be necessary. At least for a little while longer. Tyrus still isn't there yet.

plus, we aren't going to get great value back and he becomes infinitely more valuable next year

[Absinthe]

Jackson is all right. I don't like his age or his contract, but he can create his own shot. Wallace is another story. I think he's injury prone and he's been pretty awful this year. I'm willing to wait and see how he plays under Silas, but even if he does well I think that having Jackson and Wallace on your team is pretty damn redundant. I still don't agree playing and fighting for a low seed in the playoffs so you get destroyed by Boston, Miami, or Orlando. Middling teams in the NBA are the worst teams to pull for because they are just talented enough to compete, but not talented enough to make it past the first round. To make matters worse, they get shitty draft picks so it's hard to improve. Not to mention that this team is saddled with shitty contracts.

[Twan's Kin]

Would you guys move Nazr and a future second rounder to OKC for Nenad Krstic?

[ammofan]

Would you guys move Nazr and a future second rounder to OKC for Nenad Krstic?

Maybe. What does his contract look like? I would normally say no because Naz is actually valuable being that he has a almost 7 milli expiring deal, but I dont trust him to stay healthy. Plus Nenad would work well with our new style.

[Black]

Kristic is expiring this year too. I'd do it, but I doubt OKC would.

[mrtarheel]

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/news/story?id=6019859

Why can't we get it on this somehow

[Chef]

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/news/story?id=6019859

Why can't we get it on this somehow

1. because it is a speculation article and not actual news
2. the only thing we have that denver would want is wallace, so unless we want to move wallace for chandler/gallo and thabeet and a pick we aren't really able to give or get anything of value

[BETCATS]

4 team trade with New York, Memphis, and Denver:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4k8nzz5

Denver would also get draft picks from New York and Memphis would get our 2nd round pick.

[Plowright]

We cannot get in on every deal!!! I swear every time a deal is made people complain and say, why werent we in on this? There are so many unknowns by you and me, we cannot judge

[spectre]

Cavs discuss deal for ’Cats’ Wallace (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AiRYZCvwAX3CHqZ34iv8HoW8vLYF?slug=aw-wallacebobcats011411)


The Charlotte Bobcats (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/cha/) have discussed a trade to send forward Gerald Wallace (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3533/)(notes) (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3533/news) to the Cleveland Cavaliers (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/cle/), a league source told Yahoo! Sports.

The Cavaliers would use their trade exception to acquire Wallace, but have also pushed for a lottery-protected first-round pick for them to take on the two years and $22 million left on Wallace’s contract through the 2012-13 season, the source said.

~snip~

The Bobcats have been shopping Wallace for several weeks and discussed packaging him in deals to several teams. Charlotte has struggled to a 15-21 record, and replaced Larry Brown with interim coach Paul Silas last month. Facing significant financial losses this season, Bobcats owner Michael Jordan has targeted his highest-paid player as a way to trim payroll.

Wallace’s performance has sagged this season; he’s averaging 16.4 points and 8.1 rebounds. Still, Charlotte has won four straight games, including a victory over the Chicago Bulls (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/chi/) on Wednesday, and holds the eighth and final playoff spot in the Eastern Conference.


Lollipop doing work.

[BlockParty]

No way we do that while in the playoff run, UNLESS our medical staff knows something we don't. Maybe if it was not lottery protected.

[Scottley Crue]

No way we do that while in the playoff run, UNLESS our medical staff knows something we don't. Maybe if it was not lottery protected.

Yeah, I agree. I don't see that happening either unless there's some circumstance unknown to us. At least recently, it seems Jordan wants more than most want to give in deals as opposed to something like this. Just seems weird to me.

[Plowright]

I think that having seen hendo, maybe they think GW is expendable and they are trying to get something for him while he is healthy. We better use the trade exception for something tho, if the cavs think GW is the best they can get with it. Why can we get something better? Not more cost cutting moves my MJ? I think it must be deeper than that

[ammofan]

Cavs discuss deal for ’Cats’ Wallace (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AiRYZCvwAX3CHqZ34iv8HoW8vLYF?slug=aw-wallacebobcats011411)


Lollipop doing work.

I wonder what we would get from CLE other than the trade exception?? I would normally say Andy V but he is out for the year I believe.

[ammofan]

What about something like Wallace/Diaw for Jamison/TPE?

[Plowright]

i dont think we get anything else, they actually want a 1st round pick aswell!

[ziggy]

i dont think we get anything else, they actually want a 1st round pick aswell!

Thats the way I read it too Plowman,

We trade: Wallace and a lottery protected 1st
We get: Cleveland's trade exception

If that happens, then I'll be joining spectre with the lollipop avatar.

Even the Cavs fans can't understand why the bobcats would make this deal (http://realcavsfans.com/showthread.php?35631-Rumor-Gerald-Wallace).

[Plowright]

eurghhh, if we do this....

[Chef]

No way we do that while in the playoff run, UNLESS our medical staff knows something we don't. Maybe if it was not lottery protected.

according to the article, they get the pick. we give up wallace and a pick for a tpe. this is BS. not happening. even if we did get a pick, it still isn't happening. the article reads like wallace is diop. he is still avg 14/8 in this wretched season so far. LB had him all mind-fcked and he only has 2 years a 10 mil. he has so much more value than this.

[Chef]

What about something like Wallace/Diaw for Jamison/TPE?

good god no.

[Chef]

I think that having seen hendo, maybe they think GW is expendable and they are trying to get something for him while he is healthy. We better use the trade exception for something tho, if the cavs think GW is the best they can get with it. Why can we get something better? Not more cost cutting moves my MJ? I think it must be deeper than that

he has been better but wallace is avg 14/8, hendo hit a career high with 14. hendo does not make wallace expendable

[Plowright]

im saying maybe the bobcats are looking further down the line. I totally get what your saying, i dont agree with what i wrote i just thought that was maybe what the front office and coaches thought

[spectre]

MJ loves to gamble, but with our salary situation and the LT line he's drawn he really can't get into the big sexy trades. By dumping Crash for the TPE he can run wild.

I think this is exactly the type of move the Lollipop would make.

LMAO that Cleveland's asking for a lotto protected 1st! Somebody's been talking to Mark Cuban. We'll probably add in a couple future 2nds and feel like we got a steal.

And to think some of us thought using Crash to dump Gana was bad. :facepalm:

[Chef]

MJ loves to gamble, but with our salary situation and the LT line he's drawn he really can't get into the big sexy trades. By dumping Crash for the TPE he can run wild.

I think this is exactly the type of move the Lollipop would make.

LMAO that Cleveland's asking for a lotto protected 1st! Somebody's been talking to Mark Cuban. We'll probably add in a couple future 2nds and feel like we got a steal.

And to think some of us thought using Crash to dump Gana was bad. :facepalm:

give up the lotto protected first to dump gana, carroll for tpe and i could still argue it but at least it is palatable.

you are going to have to change the lollipop to a penis if we do this deal.

[Fred Williamson]

This is the worst trade I have ever seen since I'm following the NBA. If this goes down, I quit on this team. Seriously. This is beyond ridiculous. Crash AND a fucking pick for a useless TPE?? What the fuck?

[Chef]

This is the worst trade I have ever seen since I'm following the NBA. If this goes down, I quit on this team. Seriously. This is beyond ridiculous. Crash AND a fucking pick for a useless TPE?? What the fuck?

agreed. i think i may be out. if they don't care about championships, why should i?

[Fred Williamson]

I think that having seen hendo, maybe they think GW is expendable and they are trying to get something for him while he is healthy. We better use the trade exception for something tho, if the cavs think GW is the best they can get with it. Why can we get something better? Not more cost cutting moves my MJ? I think it must be deeper than that

yeah we are going to use the trade exception like we used DUST in the summer, right?

[Robertpel9]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/rumors/post/Bobcats-Wallace-headed-to-Cleveland-?urn=nba-307505

I think Wallace is our only real trade bait and that TT has a lot of the same qualities on the court GW does

Having said that we need to get MAXIMUM value in return not trade one of our best players AND a 1st round pick for a F'ing trade exception

Please tell me i am missing somthing here

Wiskey Tango Foxtrot

[Fred Williamson]

check the trade thread. already discussed there. and yeah, it is a joke

[davcbow]

Thats just it man "rumors".... :biggrin:

[Robertpel9]

Sorry i did not see it int he trade thread

I am hoping this isnt the case where we really dont have an owner with the pockets to really field a team. I mean Jordan has cash but not Cuban cash. In the league you need to spend to win. If this ends up just being a cash dump i am really going to reconsider re-upping my season tix. Why should i invest thousands and thounsands into the team if the ownership is not committed to investing in a quality product

[BIGCatBobcat]

Yeah, the "and a first" is really pissing me off. I doubt we're that dumb but you never know. Look at how many times the Melo deal has been "done" and nothing has moved. I'm worn out with it. I understand saving money but at what expense. And whoever called that trade exception useless is exactly right. Have Cleveland or Toronto even sniffed a deal to this point? NO! this guy: The Bobcats have won four straight, which likely makes a deal involving Wallace a long-shot, especially with Charlotte sitting in the eighth seed in the Eastern Conference.

Bobcats' sources warned when Paul Silas took over as head coach in Charlotte on December 22nd, that all trade talks were put on hold as the team wanted to see what pieces fit.



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Thinks we turn it around. How are we going to turn it around and use it if Cleveland can't even unload it? Same deal as the Dust Chip. It'll end up being the worst trade in the history of the NBA and what kills this franchise if it goes through like Wojanowski has suggested. You take the one all-star, the only dude left, not only from the beginning but from the beginning of Larry's tenure (a mere 2.5 years ago mind you), turn him into a trade exception and then hope for the best on getting something better than an All-Star back for trade exception? What The Frack indeed.

[onajourney]

Wow, it would really be terrible just to give Wallace away like that.

A Cleveland writer suggests that maybe Hickson or Eyenga would be involved in the deal as well: http://blog.cleveland.com/cavshq/2011/01/a_gerald_wallace_trade.html

[Fred Williamson]

Wow, it would really be terrible just to give Wallace away like that.

A Cleveland writer suggests that maybe Hickson or Eyenga would be involved in the deal as well: http://blog.cleveland.com/cavshq/2011/01/a_gerald_wallace_trade.html

oh great, we get a role player or a scrub in return. :facepalm:

[Clay]

Whatever money this saves, it won't outweigh the hit they'll take with the fans. Wallace is the last person that should be traded.

[BRNC]

One of the biggest problems this franchise has faced (within the league) has been over-coming the perception that we're push-overs when it comes to trades...if this (or anything close to it) "trade" of Crash for nothing...and again to add insult to injury giving "any" pick with him is just beyond....

Why anyone on this board thinks we can build a team by "blowing-up" this one and getting young talent and picks back is laughable...actually it is beyond that but I need to stop here...

[Clay]

Wow, it would really be terrible just to give Wallace away like that.

A Cleveland writer suggests that maybe Hickson or Eyenga would be involved in the deal as well: http://blog.cleveland.com/cavshq/2011/01/a_gerald_wallace_trade.html
No, he's saying it would be nice to have Wallace to mentor those guys. Not to trade for them.

[Plowright]

Lol this is taken from a cavs forum. Most of the fans have sense and are saying the cats would not do this deal. However look at this dumbass i found, he is replying to another guy who wrote " this doesnt make sense"

Originally Posted by cmstophe http://realcavsfans.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://realcavsfans.com/showthread.php?p=1062771#post1062771) "Doesn't make any sense to me."-QUOTE

Yes it does.

Gerald Wallace, at 28, is too old for the Cavaliers rebuild but he has value and a reasonable contract that the Cavaliers could turn around and trade at the deadline or after the lockout. If you can get a first in the process it's a smart move. But, I wouldn't do it without a first.

[Chef]

Why anyone on this board thinks we can build a team by "blowing-up" this one and getting young talent and picks back is laughable...actually it is beyond that but I need to stop here...

i would argue this tooth and nail, but if these are the type of deals we are looking at then this team is in fact hopeless. the easiest logic against flipping a tpe is if there is such a great deal out there to use it on then cle or toronto would just do that deal.

[Brad]

If this happens, I'm getting MLS Season Pass and starting a soccer blog.

[spectre]

i would argue this tooth and nail, but if these are the type of deals we are looking at then this team is in fact hopeless. the easiest logic against flipping a tpe is if there is such a great deal out there to use it on then cle or toronto would just do that deal.

I'd argue right back. Not against the concept but because of who would be doing the blowing up.

If this goes down then maybe people will re-remember what that "ILBIT" actually meant.

[ohara831]

I can understand why this might be done. Not only does it give us plenty of room for making future roster moves, but perhaps the FO is convinced that at least for the rest of this season, Hendo can handle starting as he did while Crash was out. He did play quite well as a starter - much better than he has as coming off the bench. Not saying I agree with them doing it, but it is not totally without merit. And the concerns about Crash's health are very legit, as we all know. But no draft picks can go out in this deal. None. If they throw out a future 1st, I will start a daily blog asking for a Savior to come buy this team from MJ or to have the city of Charlotte kick them out and tell them to go to another city.

[Toocool]

I can understand why this might be done. Not only does it give us plenty of room for making future roster moves, but perhaps the FO is convinced that at least for the rest of this season, Hendo can handle starting as he did while Crash was out. He did play quite well as a starter - much better than he has as coming off the bench. Not saying I agree with them doing it, but it is not totally without merit. And the concerns about Crash's health are very legit, as we all know. But no draft picks can go out in this deal. None. If they throw out a future 1st, I will start a daily blog asking for a Savior to come buy this team from MJ or to have the city of Charlotte kick them out and tell them to go to another city.

Agreed. I can understand as Jordan is probably red deep in expenses and that he might think Hendo is up and coming. But by no means should we EVER give up a draft pick, especially for a talented guy like Crash who was an all-star last year and has a great contract (for his production...at least last year it was).

[Chef]

I'd argue right back. Not against the concept but because of who would be doing the blowing up.

If this goes down then maybe people will re-remember what that "ILBIT" actually meant.

if this is the case we have no argument

[Chef]

I can understand why this might be done. Not only does it give us plenty of room for making future roster moves, but perhaps the FO is convinced that at least for the rest of this season, Hendo can handle starting as he did while Crash was out. He did play quite well as a starter - much better than he has as coming off the bench. Not saying I agree with them doing it, but it is not totally without merit. And the concerns about Crash's health are very legit, as we all know. But no draft picks can go out in this deal. None. If they throw out a future 1st, I will start a daily blog asking for a Savior to come buy this team from MJ or to have the city of Charlotte kick them out and tell them to go to another city.

i know you said you don't agree, but hendo showed just a little bit (wasn't overwhelming anyone by anymeans) against the worst teams in the league for a few games. but, are we (as a team not a fanbase) really saying crash is only worth a tpe? come on. he could easily get us an expiring plus a young player like a hendo, etc. wait til the melo thing plays out. if he extends with nj we could call nyk and do a crash deal that gets us curry (who we could actually use for the rest of the year) and chandler or gallo. there are so many other ways of doing it.

[ALuhrs704]

this will be my last straw if we trade gerald for the tpe. seriously...... letting felton walk for nothing was one thing (i was all 4 dj, and even tho dj is ballin right now felton would probably be doing the same if not better if we kept him), and letting emeka go for basically matt carroll, najera, and dampier was horrible (couldve atleast kept tyson he obviously wasnt healthy nor a fan of LB), but to trade the only allstar just for some money. doesnt mj realize how many panther fans are in revolt because of the owner being cheap. fans, me included would reallly not enjoy this team anymore. and were playing so good right now id hate to blow this thing up now. now if it were gerald and 1st for tpe and hickson id be atleast moderately okay with it. but this is just rediculous.

[Chef]

now if it were gerald and 1st for tpe and hickson id be atleast moderately okay with it. but this is just rediculous.

um...still hell no.

[Scottley Crue]

While I don't think is happening or support it happening (unless he already has someone lined up for the TPE), I could see them moving Crash to get more pieces (center and bench help) and to move Jack to the 3. I'm not looking to start fires, but it is interesting that this rumor comes out with this article from Slick Rick...

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/01/13/1978533/bobcats-at-celtics-730-pm-sportsouth.html

[sprtsguyshowonyoutube]

I'm ok with any trade that will make this team better.But trading away Crash and only getting back 10 million trade exception in return.Is not a fair value back not even close.The Cavs don't have any player right now that would make me want to consider making this trade.Now if we can get from them there first rd pick this year not a lottery protected ans a player or 2 then it would be a even trade that the cats should consider making until then don't make this trade

[amour217]

God, I'd hate it if they dealt Wallace :(

[Fred Williamson]

I'm all for trading Crash as long as we get value in return, but this is not the case here.

[ammofan]

So this is basically just giving away a 1st rounder and Wallace? Literally giving away...

if we are dealing Wallace we must acquire a starting caliber 2 and 5. Haywood+? or Biedrins+?

[Chef]

Haywood+? or Biedrins+?

1. hell no
2. not unless he comes back with d. wright or a pick

[Black]

From reading other boards, I think most Warriors fans would love to land Wallace. If we could get Wright for Wallace, I'd be thrilled.

[DY_nasty]

I think the only reason this is being reported is because our FO was laughing so hard that people outside the building could here about it.

[Chef]

From reading other boards, I think most Warriors fans would love to land Wallace. If we could get Wright for Wallace, I'd be thrilled.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4fpokrd

how about this. we have to be getting more because biedrins contract is 3y 9mil per and he is definitely not worth it. terrible offensively and injury prone. us getting their 2012 pick top 10 protection? not sure if that is too much. probably is.

[GoBobs]

Don't trade Wallace until we see how he plays under Silas. We are in the 8th spot right now, there is no need to panic.

[Weezy21]

dont want biedrins...he's not even that good yet gets paid more $11 mill...no thank you

[rsxnova]

While I don't think is happening or support it happening (unless he already has someone lined up for the TPE), I could see them moving Crash to get more pieces (center and bench help) and to move Jack to the 3. I'm not looking to start fires, but it is interesting that this rumor comes out with this article from Slick Rick...

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/01/13/1978533/bobcats-at-celtics-730-pm-sportsouth.html

There is no silver lining to a trade like this. I remember having hope with the dust chip which turned out to be horrible.

[Boomer]

Let's calm down a little people, this makes me mad as anybody but this is just a BS rumor.

If the trade is Wallace, 2011 1st round pick to Cleveland for the TPE then its obviously horrible and I will be the first one to join a rabble, light torches, and go confront MJ at his home.

However, until anything happens I'm going to take a wait and see approach.

[BlockParty]

Let's calm down a little people, this makes me mad as anybody but this is just a BS rumor.

If the trade is Wallace, 2011 1st round pick to Cleveland for the TPE then its obviously horrible and I will be the first one to join a rabble, light torches, and go confront MJ at his home.

However, until anything happens I'm going to take a wait and see approach.

We are not allowed to trade our 2011 1st round pick. You aren't allowed to trade 1st round picks in consectutive years (our 2010 went to Denver) our 2012 is still protected to a degree and goes to Chicago (for Tyrus) so the earliest 1st round pick we could trade is 2014. This 'deal' make no sense to the Bobcats unless we know something is wrong with GW's ankle. In 2014 GW will be long gone off the books.

[Plowright]

On the topic of the pick we sent to Chicargo, turned out to be a better deal than ever i reckon. Flip, acie and what turned into kevin seraphin for TT i would do that again in a heartbeat wouldnt you? However i hope we would have drafted bledsoe in hindsight

[BlockParty]

On the topic of the pick we sent to Chicargo, turned out to be a better deal than ever i reckon. Flip, acie and what turned into kevin seraphin for TT i would do that again in a heartbeat wouldnt you? However i hope we would have drafted bledsoe in hindsight

Actually Seraphin doesn't have anything to do with TTime trade. Our 2010 pick went to denver who sent it to Minny who traded it to Portland where Luke Babbitt is doing nothing quickly. All that was repayment for Sexy Alexis Ajinca.

We won't be able to measure the TTime trade until after the 2012 draft at the earliest (it's protected)

[spectre]

Sources confirm Cavs may be closing in on Bobcats’ Wallace (http://www.foxsportsohio.com/01/14/11/Sources-confirm-Cavs-may-be-closing-in-o/landing.html?blockID=391319&feedID=3724)

Sam Amick of FSN. Dunno how credible he is.


One Eastern Conference executive told FOXSportsOhio.com that the deal “appears to be far from final, but word is they are getting close.”

The executive, who asked for anonymity and is not employed by the Bobcats or Cavs, said he has not spoken with representatives from either team and is merely “going on what I’ve heard from other general managers.”

Another Eastern Conference GM said that even if Wallace isn’t traded to the Cavs, “I can practically guarantee (Charlotte) will trade him by the deadline. This whole thing seems to be initiated by the Bobcats’ desire to move Wallace.”

Hey Lollipop, maybe we can trade Crash straight up for TJ Ford! Bird is your buddy...maybe he'll only ask for 3 million in cash and taking on Dahntay Jone's 5 million dollar contract instead of the pick!

[Chef]

Sources confirm Cavs may be closing in on Bobcats’ Wallace (http://www.foxsportsohio.com/01/14/11/Sources-confirm-Cavs-may-be-closing-in-o/landing.html?blockID=391319&feedID=3724)

Sam Amick of FSN. Dunno how credible he is.


Hey Lollipop, maybe we can trade Crash straight up for TJ Ford! Bird is your buddy...maybe he'll only ask for 3 million in cash and taking on Dahntay Jone's 5 million dollar contract instead of the pick!

love the source. can't love it enough. this counts as actual news reporting now?

[ammofan]

Sources confirm Cavs may be closing in on Bobcats’ Wallace (http://www.foxsportsohio.com/01/14/11/Sources-confirm-Cavs-may-be-closing-in-o/landing.html?blockID=391319&feedID=3724)

Sam Amick of FSN. Dunno how credible he is.


Hey Lollipop, maybe we can trade Crash straight up for TJ Ford! Bird is your buddy...maybe he'll only ask for 3 million in cash and taking on Dahntay Jone's 5 million dollar contract instead of the pick!

Wow........But I highly doubt that we will trade Wallace for nothing. I bet it has many more players involved than just Crash.

[stun704]

Wow........But I highly doubt that we will trade Wallace for nothing. I bet it has many more players involved than just Crash.
This trade was probably made prior to silas coming on board, where he was trying to gauge the value of all our players. some asshole probably leaked the trade to strong-arm us back into it. I seriously doubt this trade will go down.

[Plowright]

ive heard the cavs are not mentioning their players eg Hickson in the trade as they are worried if it does not go down how it will affect them mentally, cause Hickson is mentally pathetic

[Plowright]

STEIN_LINE_HQ (http://twitter.com/#%21/STEIN_LINE_HQ) Marc Stein



Follow to earlier tweet: Told again Clips open to moving Kaman but only IF they can upgrade w/right 3-man. More on way in Weekend Dime

If we are moving GW and the clips are looking for a 3, is it fate that the trade will happen?

[Boomer]

We are not allowed to trade our 2011 1st round pick. You aren't allowed to trade 1st round picks in consectutive years (our 2010 went to Denver) our 2012 is still protected to a degree and goes to Chicago (for Tyrus) so the earliest 1st round pick we could trade is 2014. This 'deal' make no sense to the Bobcats unless we know something is wrong with GW's ankle. In 2014 GW will be long gone off the books.

ok...

then the next available pick, doesn't change anything

[ammofan]

STEIN_LINE_HQ (http://twitter.com/#%21/STEIN_LINE_HQ) Marc Stein



Follow to earlier tweet: Told again Clips open to moving Kaman but only IF they can upgrade w/right 3-man. More on way in Weekend Dime

If we are moving GW and the clips are looking for a 3, is it fate that the trade will happen?

I tweeted at Stein like literally 30 secs after he tweeted taht and mentioned the same thing!

DJ
Hendo
Jack
Boris
Kaman

Pretty solid.

[ammofan]

To anyone who can answer this: Can the Cavs split up the TPE? Like If they wanted to give us 2 players and part of the TPE is that possible?

[ammofan]

ive heard the cavs are not mentioning their players eg Hickson in the trade as they are worried if it does not go down how it will affect them mentally, cause Hickson is mentally pathetic

I figured that. I would do Moon, Parker, Hickson, 2nd rounder for Wallace, fillers

[vikinginferno]

How about a deal with the Kings? They are way below salary and have some nice young pieces. A deal with Landry or Casspi could be nice.