The 2010-11 Trade Discussion Thread (Part III)

[Scottley Crue]

STEIN_LINE_HQ (http://twitter.com/#%21/STEIN_LINE_HQ) Marc Stein



Follow to earlier tweet: Told again Clips open to moving Kaman but only IF they can upgrade w/right 3-man. More on way in Weekend Dime

If we are moving GW and the clips are looking for a 3, is it fate that the trade will happen?

They've needed a 3 for years now and I've always wondered what they'd be willing to part with for Crash. I don't know if they think he's the right guy, but I think his slashing style would mesh well with Gordon's shooting ability. I'd love to get Kaman and a solid bench player (Aminu? Gomes?) for Crash and filler.

[Chef]

watching the mavs getting dominated by the spurs. i think if we wait a week or two, the mavs will call us to get jax. we start with this:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4jhsgrh

if not we do this

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4lq2lz4 + a 2012 top 5 protected first for us

[Carolina Swagger]

I like Richardson.

I hope they really think about going after Baron Davis though. I think he has some great stuff and would be highly beneficial to our organization.
Anyone have any opinions on the future coaching change?

[ammofan]

My overall thoughts about Wallace and the cavs trade rumors: http://jessediebolt.tumblr.com/

[davcbow]

watching the mavs getting dominated by the spurs. i think if we wait a week or two, the mavs will call us to get jax. we start with this:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4jhsgrh

if not we do this

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4lq2lz4 + a 2012 top 5 protected first for us

Me no like either of them.. :)

[davcbow]

My overall thoughts about Wallace and the cavs trade rumors: http://jessediebolt.tumblr.com/

Youve got to remember the teams we played during that stretch... I myself think GW is why we played as well as we did tonight against Boston...Jax just has to hit his shots better than he did tonight... But I say dont trade anyone until after we see if they mesh or not in the new system, but is GW or is Jax the problem?... If we do trade Crash or Jax, I say make a trade that will help the team not help the teams wallet... :)

[ammofan]

Youve got to remember the teams we played during that stretch... I myself think GW is why we played as well as we did tonight against Boston...Jax just has to hit his shots better than he did tonight... But I say dont trade anyone until after we see if they mesh or not in the new system, but is GW or is Jax the problem?... If we do trade Crash or Jax, I say make a trade that will help the team not help the teams wallet... :)

Yea I understand. But it seems to me like Wallace is not going to fit in well with the new offense. And by trading Wallace for a TPE, Parker/Moon and Hickson...it is cost cutting.

[Black]

And, a source told SN on Friday that the Bobcats, despite likely financial losses, are considering pulling their guys off the trading block to see if they can continue to produce under Silas.


Read more: http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2011-01-14/bobcats-future-remains-uncertain#ixzz1B6zh4F7c

Good move if true.

[ammofan]

Good move if true.

Good move by not giving away players.......but we need to improve thos team. Trading Gerald will help if we get the right players in return.

[SWedd523]

Ammofan I still don't understand how you think a player who's game is based on athleticism and tenacity WON'T benefit from an offensive style that utilizes athletes.

[Proudiddy]

As far as the TPE, I thought I read over the summer that you can't "trade" a TPE... The other team just gets the benefit of shedding salary because it's like free cap room to the team the player is being traded to and GW's salary will just fill that TPE. I could be wrong, but I thought I was told that by some reliable people over the summer.

Secondly, if they want Wallace, why would we give them a 1st along with him to take him? It's stupid. If they want him, they can give something up for him... I'd take Hickson and some other pieces. I prefer the GW trade for Kaman. At this point, Crash just isn't the same anymore and it's getting hard to watch, so I'd prefer to go ahead and get something for him before his value plummets anymore. He looks horrible this year.

[dvdbumpus]

No way would I trade Crash. Jax, yes. Crash? No.

Move Hendo to the starting lineup or Livingston if that's what works better. Crash is the leader of the team. Just wish we had someone else to do some scoring. The reason I pick Jax is because of his turnovers, low shooting percentage, age, and contract. Plus, he'd help a playoff team go to the next level, and I think his value is higher.

[ALuhrs704]

after watching last night game, i've came to the conclusion that i want kaman for wallace and thats basically it. thats the only big man that produces equal value for gerald. im just worried cuz kaman is hurt quite a bit as well but he was an all star last year and we are dieing for help at the C. i wish we could get some1 younger though with a higher ceiling.

[Chef]

i am loving how jax wasn't injured during the majority of the good run we had against absolutely horrid teams and crash was. now everyone is on the "we GOT to get rid of crash" bandwagon. the reasoning is "he just doesn't fit our new offense". the offense did look better, but we were clearly playing the worst of the league. we all know we are better than all of those teams, it is just we were playing so bad under larry brown. i think we all agree that this team isn't going to win anything more than a 7th seed and 1st round exit and we need to move some veterans to a) either start over or b) get better, but the only players that "MUST GO" for this team to improve are diop and carroll.

i am obviously and historically pro-blow this thing up responsibly by trading jax, crash and nazr, but to say any of this players "MUST GO" is just plain silly. if horrid deals keep coming our way ie crash for tpe or jax, nazr for haywood, butler then we stay put and go for the playoffs, but if a reasonable or good deal comes our way we take it. none of our players are untouchable, but some obviously carry more value than others ie dj, tyrus and nazr being the most valuable so the trade should be even at worst or us getting significantly better at best ie we are not taking on any mediocre long term salary.

i don't believe that kaman for crash is a good trade either unless we are looking at repackaging kaman because centers do have better re-sale value than sf's. kaman is injury prone and inconsistent.

[Fred Williamson]

after watching last night game, i've came to the conclusion that i want kaman for wallace and thats basically it. thats the only big man that produces equal value for gerald. im just worried cuz kaman is hurt quite a bit as well but he was an all star last year and we are dieing for help at the C. i wish we could get some1 younger though with a higher ceiling.

I like Kaman but he's always hurt. I can't remember last time I've seen him play. Maybe 4 years ago? PLus, he's an atrocious defender

[dnbman]

Wallace to the Cavs?

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AvT0C9.cdwuT0jql45oJFzm8vLYF?slug=aw-wallacebobcats011411


The Charlotte Bobcats have discussed a trade to send forward Gerald Wallace(notes) to the Cleveland Cavaliers, a league source told Yahoo! Sports.

The Cavaliers would use their trade exception to acquire Wallace, but have also pushed for a lottery-protected first-round pick for them to take on the two years and $22 million left on Wallace’s contract through the 2012-13 season, the source said. The Bobcats would receive a $10 million trade exception in return.

If we trade away a first just to get rid of Wallace.... Ugh.

[Absinthe]

I'm convinced that the front office is absolutely incompetent. I guess giving away a draft pick isn't that bad considering they can't even draft correctly. The good players that they drafted aren't even on the team anymore. Ugh.

[rsxnova]

I'm convinced that the front office is absolutely incompetent. I guess giving away a draft pick isn't that bad considering they can't even draft correctly. The good players that they drafted aren't even on the team anymore. Ugh.

We can not trade our 2011 draft pick.

[Black]

Kaman blows.

[rsxnova]

Kaman blows.

Yea the clips waited to long to pawn him off. Right now i would consider Aminu and Kaman for Wallace but thats about it.

[Ghost Kat]

No way would I trade Crash. Jax, yes. Crash? No.



This...All day every day.

[TheGayKid]

Keep GW unless we get an offer for something GREATER than him. We don't need to trade unless it's totally necessary anyway...

[dnbman]

Keep GW unless we get an offer for something GREATER than him. We don't need to trade unless it's totally necessary anyway...

I won't fault management if they take a slightly lesser player with a better contract. I just don't want us trade him just to shed salary, ESPECIALLY paying a team a draft pick for taking his contract.

[CrazyCarl139]

What do you guys think about this?

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4lvsqnr

I know on paper, you might think, "Why would Memphis do this?" Well, there's a lot of reports out there that OJ Mayo has fallen WAY of favor in Memphis and they are looking at him as a cancer and just want to get rid of him. Also, they are starting to admit that Thabeet might be a bust. They owe about 11 million in salary to those guys over the next couple of years and want them out. They are apparently looking for a wing guy who is willing to come off the bench, an expiring contract and/or a back up point guard. They get all three of those with this deal.

What do you guys think?

[ammofan]

I won't fault management if they take a slightly lesser player with a better contract. I just don't want us trade him just to shed salary, ESPECIALLY paying a team a draft pick for taking his contract.

I doubt that we actually were/are entertaining doing that. I mean c'mon even we arent that stupid.

[ammofan]

In all seriousness.... Wallace or Jack need to go. I say Wallace becuase he looks like a shell of his old self. And Jack can create his own shot which is something only he and DJ can do on this team. Something needs to be done to salvage the season because beating a few bad teams and then going 1-2 vs. the good teams isnt gonna cut it. We need a center and more scoring help. Kaman/Aminu or something of that sort.

[ohara831]

DJ needs to give Ballwhore some inside info. But I dont think the info will be about DJ being traded. I think he is showing he can handle the PG job.

[ammofan]

DJ needs to give Ballwhore some inside info. But I dont think the info will be about DJ being traded. I think he is showing he can handle the PG job.

Heck yea....DJ is good. I really like his game the more i watch it.

[TheBeagle]

DJ needs to give Ballwhore some inside info. But I dont think the info will be about DJ being traded. I think he is showing he can handle the PG job.Agreed. DJ did yeoman's work against Chris tonight. Still want Chris here badly, but we could do much much worse than DJ.

I think our record and where we are in the standings after the upcoming west coaster will go a good way on trade options. The Bulls game Wed. was just the start of a tough stretch for these guys after cupcake city (Howyadoin, Dickie V?) the last couple weeks. Playing much better/harder under Paul, but still struggling to pull out games at home like we did last year; and crowds have been larger up to this point this year than last, so that's not an issue; excluding the Bulls game, for whatever reason, they guys just play so damn tight in close games, especially Mr. Make Love to Pressure.....more like masturbates to pressure...

[Scottley Crue]

Agreed. DJ did yeoman's work against Chris tonight. Still want Chris here badly, but we could do much much worse than DJ.

I think our record and where we are in the standings after the upcoming west coaster will go a good way on trade options. The Bulls game Wed. was just the start of a tough stretch for these guys after cupcake city (Howyadoin, Dickie V?) the last couple weeks. Playing much better/harder under Paul, but still struggling to pull out games at home like we did last year; and crowds have been larger up to this point this year than last, so that's not an issue; excluding the Bulls game, for whatever reason, they guys just play so damn tight in close games, especially Mr. Make Love to Pressure.....more like masturbates to pressure...

They certainly are playing better under Paul and do play a little tight when closing out games at times. They could very well stand pat and make the playoffs. I'd really like to see them address the center and bench to put themselves a step ahead of their competition. A guy like a Kaman, DeAndre Jordan, Nene or even Pryzbilla at center along with someone who can just light it up coming off the bench would go a long way to securing a playoff spot.

[BETCATS]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6ddo8lb

G State gets Diaw to help Monta/Steph create offense for the entire team plus 2 young scrubs (aka the type of player that always does well in Golden State). We get a reserve center to split minutes with Nazr and Kwame/a big expiring for MJ and Dorrel Wright. Im guessing we might have to include a draft pick but it isnt like we would be using it well anyway.

[davcbow]

They certainly are playing better under Paul and do play a little tight when closing out games at times. They could very well stand pat and make the playoffs. I'd really like to see them address the center and bench to put themselves a step ahead of their competition. A guy like a Kaman, DeAndre Jordan, Nene or even Pryzbilla at center along with someone who can just light it up coming off the bench would go a long way to securing a playoff spot.

I agree Scottley but who could we afford to lose more? GW or Jax? who has the most value?

[Scottley Crue]

I agree Scottley but who could we afford to lose more? GW or Jax? who has the most value?

I'd be more inclined to move Crash, since if Jack was gone and not replaced with a high-scoring starting wing I don't think Crash can take up that challenge. Just not his game. Henderson seems to mesh well with Jack and if we had a wing off the bench that could light it up along with Tyrus, we'd have a nice bench. Perhaps it takes including Nazr's expiring to make this happen for something like Nene/JR Smith if the Nuggs decide to blow it up (though having Jack, JR and Tyrus on the same team pretty much guarantees someone gets strangled before the season is over). That's what I'm thinking on that one, though I know it's much easier said than done.

[ammofan]

I'd be more inclined to move Crash, since if Jack was gone and not replaced with a high-scoring starting wing I don't think Crash can take up that challenge. Just not his game. Henderson seems to mesh well with Jack and if we had a wing off the bench that could light it up along with Tyrus, we'd have a nice bench. Perhaps it takes including Nazr's expiring to make this happen for something like Nene/JR Smith if the Nuggs decide to blow it up (though having Jack, JR and Tyrus on the same team pretty much guarantees someone gets strangled before the season is over). That's what I'm thinking on that one, though I know it's much easier said than done.

But JR and Tyrus and DJ make a pretty good young nucleus.

[Chef]

But JR and Tyrus and DJ make a pretty good young nucleus.

1. jr smith is in a contract year, his play will go south as soon as he is paid
2. you think jax sometimes shoots too much
3. jax has a semi-unfair rep as a headcase, jr smith is an absolute headcase
4. you don't want jr anywhere near tyrus

[cwcrook]

I live in LA so watch a lot of Clippers and Golden State. I can assure you...there is no way in hell Deandre Jordan is going anywhere. Ditto that for Dorrell Wright. Those guys are untouchable right now. Glad to see DJ and Kwame are playing well. I am not sure Kamen is a great get because he's injury prone and he's getting up there in years. Don't want Baron either. Ditto me on staying as far away from JR Smith as humanly possible. Nene? I am not sure...not that we could get him anyway.

[vikinginferno]

What about Crash to Sac for Casspi and Landry? Landry is a cheap ender and Casspi is very cheap and is actually pretty good. Only 22 also.

[Talent]

With Landry we could shop Diaw for some draft talent or help at the SG spot. I like Casspi's game.

[dvdbumpus]

I doubt that we actually were/are entertaining doing that. I mean c'mon even we arent that stupid.

Are you sure?

[dvdbumpus]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6ddo8lb

The only question I have with this trade is the players. I mean, who the fuck is Dominic Mcguire????

[Chef]

What about Crash to Sac for Casspi and Landry? Landry is a cheap ender and Casspi is very cheap and is actually pretty good. Only 22 also.

this is not good value for crash at all. and also what do we need landry for? he is in need of a new contract this year and we have thomas as our 4 for the next 5 years. thompson, casspi and a pick for crash is a better value.

[vikinginferno]

this is not good value for crash at all. and also what do we need landry for? he is in need of a new contract this year and we have thomas as our 4 for the next 5 years. thompson, casspi and a pick for crash is a better value.

I disagree. Landry is GREAT trade bait as he is extremely cheap and an ender while being a good, tough scorer, meaning he could be traded to a playoff team for something pretty good.

[CrazyCarl139]

This is what Charlotte should do:

1st - http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4lvsqnr

2nd - http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2eyzahy (Plus a 1st round pick from Dallas to Charlotte)

3rd - http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4k6g837

All 3 together - http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6hxzebu

So, their roster would look like this:

C- Kaman, Thabeet
PF- Diaw, Thomas
SF- Aminu, Henderson
SG- Mayo, Henderson
PG- Augustin, Livingston

This would give the Bobcats a young, young team with a ton of potential. I'd run the offense through Mayo and let Augustin be an excellent compliment. Kaman and Diaw will be around until their contracts expire, but Thabeet and Thomas are the future. They should compliment each other well. With Aminu, the Cats would have a good defensive front court that can finish at the rim.

Worst case scenario, these guys are all a bust and the Bobcats have everyone off the books (except Thomas and Aminu) at the end of 2012. Best case, Thabeet and Mayo live up to their potential and, with Aminu, Augustin and Thomas have a very talented starting 5. The Bobcats will also have 2 1st round picks in this draft.

[thesnowman22]

In my mind, either we are trying to get better or we are trying to start all over.

NO WAY do u trade GW to get better. If u want to get better you add parts and subtract older parts. Trade Jax, yes, because he is older if we could trade him to a contender for a player not quite as good as him but younger, then maybe. But if you trade wallace, you better be getting some real value. To trade him for a exemption AND give up a pick would be so stupid you would literally lose fans. i would have a hard time watching for a while if we did something that dumb.

You could trade EVERYBODY (GW, jax, Boris, etc), and keep just DJ and maybe Tyrus, try to accumulate young talent and/or high draft picks, and basically concede that you are gonna suck for a couple of years. OR you try to get better now. getting better now DOES NOT include trading Wallace unless you bring in a real ass-kicker, which probably aint happening.

[Chef]

I disagree. Landry is GREAT trade bait as he is extremely cheap and an ender while being a good, tough scorer, meaning he could be traded to a playoff team for something pretty good.

if this is true then the kings would have moved him for that deal. see: DUST chip and cle TPE

he is cheap now but if we can't move him, again, he becomes expensive and not a need for us at the price

[SWedd523]

Guys, when you make a trade proposal or idea, please write out the players involved in addition to posting a trade link. Thank you all.

[Absinthe]

Kaman blows? Do some of you even watch games outside of Bobcats games? Kaman was a borderline all star last year. He's not a great defensive player, but he would instantly be the best center this franchise has ever had. Easily. I find it funny that people are saying he's apparently such a shit player, yet this team trots out Mohammed and Kwame Brown gets minutes off the bench. Seriously?

I don't think the front office can decide what they want to do. Either they keep the team the way it is and constantly get knocked out of the first round OR they start shedding salary, acquiring draft picks, and acquiring younger players. No team is going to give them a lot for Jackson or Wallace. They'll take on the salary, but the front office can forget it if they think they can get players as well.

[CrazyCarl139]

Here's what I would do if were in charge...

1st - deal Nazr Mohammed, Matt Carroll and Sherron Collins to the Grizzlies (http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=1084586#) for OJ Mayo and Hasheem Thabeet. Mayo and Thabeet have both fallen out of favor in Memphis. The Grizzlies are looking for players who can come off the bench and expiring deals. Mohammed has about 7 mill that will come off the books and he's a serviceable big man to back up Gasol. Carroll is a proven 3 point threat off the bench (something the Grizzlies need) and Collins is a back up point, which is something that the Grizzlies do not have right now.

2nd - deal Stephen Jackson (http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=1084586#) to Dallas for Caron Butler (expiring deal, he will never play for Charlotte) and a 1st round pick. I'd like to get Dominique Jones as well, but I'm not sure if Dallas will part with him. This move clears cap space and it's out with the old, in with the new.

3rd - deal Gerald Wallace and Dasagana Diop to the Clippers (http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=1084586#) for Chris Kaman and Al-Farouq Aminu. (it's possible LAC won't do this with Diop, so we might have to keep him and include Dominic McGuire to even the salaries). The Clippers are looking to deal Kaman for a SF and Wallace would be a great fit. Kaman makes a little bit more than Wallace and he's not nearly as good, but he would be a serviceable center (and good mentor for Thabeet). As much as I hate to see the heart and soul of the Bobcats go, Aminu's potential makes this deal worth it.

After these moves, the Bobcats roster for 2011 - 2012 would be. (ages in parenthesis).

C - Kaman (28) Thabeet (23) Diop (28) (unless dumped to LAC)
PF - Diaw (28) Ty Thomas (23) Najera (34)
SF - Aminu (20) Henderson (23)
SG - Mayo (23) Jones (22) (if Dallas parts with him)
PG - Augustin (23) Livingston (25)

I'd take the rest of the year to develop the young guys and the chemistry between Thabeet, Thomas, Aminu, Mayo, Augustin, Henderson, Jones and Livingston. This is a young team that could grow together and really compliment each other. Also, they would have 2 first round picks (http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=1084586#) in the draft, so they'd have 2 rookies.

[mrtarheel]

I think even thou Jax is an excellent talent he needs to be with a contender to be kept in line. If we could get the Mavs to take Jax and do a three way with Memphis we could get younger and about as many pts and not stop the ball movement. http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4bpbwtg line up will be

Dj, Livingston
Mayo, Hendo, Carrol
Crash, McGuire, Brown
Diaw, TT, Najarea
Brown, Nazr, Thabett

[Fred Williamson]

Kaman blows? Do some of you even watch games outside of Bobcats games? Kaman was a borderline all star last year. He's not a great defensive player, but he would instantly be the best center this franchise has ever had. Easily. I find it funny that people are saying he's apparently such a shit player, yet this team trots out Mohammed and Kwame Brown gets minutes off the bench. Seriously?

I don't think the front office can decide what they want to do. Either they keep the team the way it is and constantly get knocked out of the first round OR they start shedding salary, acquiring draft picks, and acquiring younger players. No team is going to give them a lot for Jackson or Wallace. They'll take on the salary, but the front office can forget it if they think they can get players as well.

sorry, but I like my basketball players to be able to play basketball. Kaman is never healthy. Look at the number of games he played in the past seasons.

[CrazyCarl139]

Love it! I've been trying to say that the Bobcats should target Mayo and Thabeet.

Here's what I came up with: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4athrav

It's 3 separate deals the Bobcats could make. With Dallas, they'd ask for their first round pick too.

New lineup:
DJ, Livingston
Mayo, Henderson
Aminu, Henderson
Diaw, Thomas, Najera
Kaman, Thabeet, Diop

Obviously, Kwame would still be used this year. If they could resign him, they should and let him help Thabeet's development. Plus, Kaman is injury prone.

[Absinthe]

sorry, but I like my basketball players to be able to play basketball. Kaman is never healthy. Look at the number of games he played in the past seasons.

You do realize that GERALD WALLACE plays for the Bobcats, right? Mr. Glass, right?

[SWedd523]

mrtarheel and crazycarl, please list the players involved when making trade proposals. Thanks.

[fuckjack]

Trade jack

[ammofan]

Trade jack

LOL who is this? Who made an anti-Jack acct.? :D

[Black]

It's a new guy. He was in the chat and said that he made the account just to talk shit about Jackson.

[Chef]

I think even thou Jax is an excellent talent he needs to be with a contender to be kept in line. If we could get the Mavs to take Jax and do a three way with Memphis we could get younger and about as many pts and not stop the ball movement. http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4bpbwtg line up will be

Dj, Livingston
Mayo, Hendo, Carrol
Crash, McGuire, Brown
Diaw, TT, Najarea
Brown, Nazr, Thabett

the trade is
memphis out:
mayo, thabeet
in: s. collins, d. stevenson, brendan haywood

bobs out:
collins, jax
in: mayo, thabeet

mavs out:
stevenson, haywood
in: jax

look guys, we are all obviously not real gms and obviously bobcats biased in our fake trades. none of these trades will happen but it is fun to play gm. but, this is such a terrible trade that has as much chance of going down as a stephen jackson three pointer.

memphis would get no where near this. mayo's value is way down but this doesn't even make sense. they are looking to trade him because they don't want to pay him on top of gay, conley (so stupid) and GASOL. why would they want an old, overpaid, underperforming brendan haywood? if they wanted that salary they would just pay mayo.

i am not picking on you tarheel, lord knows i have my share of dumb trades littered throughout this board but this trade can't be justified on memphis's end at all.

[ohara831]

All I know is that Crash is steadily killing his trade value. It sucks to think of what it was at the All Star break last year and where it is right now.

[ammofan]

All I know is that Crash is steadily killing his trade value. It sucks to think of what it was at the All Star break last year and where it is right now.

Yea....Now is the time to move him.

[Marvel]

Jack, Diaw for Redd, Brockman, 1st.

[Marvel]

Wallace has been crap, if we don't trade him now we might end up having to settle for expirings only. I want a 1st rounder at least.

[CrazyCarl139]

I think these are 3 deals worth exploring for the Bobcats:

1st - deal Nazr Mohammed, Matt Carroll and Sherron Collins to the Grizzlies for OJ Mayo and Hasheem Thabeet. Mayo and Thabeet have both fallen out of favor in Memphis. The Grizzlies are looking for players who can come off the bench and expiring deals. Mohammed has about 7 mill that will come off the books and he's a serviceable big man to back up Gasol. Carroll is a proven 3 point threat off the bench (something the Grizzlies need) and Collins is a back up point, which is something that the Grizzlies do not have right now.

2nd - deal Stephen Jackson to Dallas for Caron Butler (expiring deal, he will never play for Charlotte) and a 1st round pick. I'd like to get Dominique Jones as well, but I'm not sure if Dallas will part with him. This move clears cap space and it's out with the old, in with the new.

3rd - deal Gerald Wallace and Dasagana Diop to the Clippers for Chris Kaman and Al-Farouq Aminu. (it's possible LAC won't do this with Diop, so we might have to keep him and include Dominic McGuire to even the salaries). The Clippers are looking to deal Kaman for a SF and Wallace would be a great fit. Kaman makes a little bit more than Wallace and he's not nearly as good, but he would be a serviceable center (and good mentor for Thabeet). As much as I hate to see the heart and soul of the Bobcats go, Aminu's potential makes this deal worth it.

After these moves, the Bobcats roster for 2011 - 2012 would be. (ages in parenthesis).

C - Kaman (28 ) Thabeet (23) Diop (28 ) (if he can't be dealt to LAC)
PF - Diaw (28 ) Ty Thomas (23) Najera (34)
SF - Aminu (20) Henderson (23)
SG - Mayo (23) Jones (22) (if we get him from Dallas)
PG - Augustin (23) Livingston (25)

I'd take the rest of the year to develop the young guys and the chemistry between Thabeet, Thomas, Aminu, Mayo, Augustin, Henderson, Jones and Livingston. This is a young team that could grow together and really compliment each other. Also, they would have 2 first round picks in the draft, so they'd have 2 rookies.

[rsxnova]

Dallas got rolled by Detroit today. There comes a time when a team gets desperate and makes a move. Lets hope we benefit from it.

[The Prodigy]

Am I the only one who really doesnt want Kaman? I know hes an expiring, but there are probably much cheaper alternatives than him. He is always hurt and is obviously only getting older. I would like as much youth on this team as possible. I want energy and athleticism. Not to mention, I think Kwame is outplaying him this year anyway.

Anyone else feel the same way?

[rsxnova]

Am I the only one who really doesnt want Kaman? I know hes an expiring, but there are probably much cheaper alternatives than him. He is always hurt and is obviously only getting older. I would like as much youth on this team as possible. I want energy and athleticism. Not to mention, I think Kwame is outplaying him this year anyway.

Anyone else feel the same way?

Getting Aminu is what sells Kaman to me. What are your alternatives?

[The Prodigy]

Getting Aminu is what sells Kaman to me. What are your alternatives?

I dont really have one. Aminu is good, and as long as we dont re-sign Kaman I would be fine with that. But if we were to trade for Thabeet, I would actually be fine with our Centers for now. Kaman just isnt a long term option in my opinion, so I would rather play whatever young guys we acquire.

[teej]

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