The 2010-11 Trade Discussion Thread (Part III)

[ziggy]

We will use this topic for trade discussions that don't already have an existing topic created...

If there is enough interest in a particular trade scenario then we'll split it off into its own topic.

So far these have been split into their own topics


B-Diddy/Clippers trade talk can be found here (http://www.bobcatsplanet.com/vb/showthread.php?11947-Baron-Davis-LA-Clippers-trade-discussion)
Devin Harris/Nets trade talk can be found here (http://www.bobcatsplanet.com/vb/showthread.php?11949-Devin-Harris-NJ-Nets-trade-discussion&p=185329#post185329)


Have fun with it.

[Brad]

Thanks, Zig -

[Brad]

There is also talk of a Boris Diaw + Diop trade to Orlando for Jason Richardson. Saw it on this morning on James the Aussie's site - (don't remember the link :( )

If that's true, then I guess Diop isn't included in the deal to the Clips, and Richardson's arrival would mean Jackson is on his way out as well.

Maybe Jackson is part of the Clips deal, and maybe we're getting Kaman back?

[ziggy]

I wonder if J-Rich would be happy or disappointed with a return to Charlotte?

[ballwhore]

Why you rip my thread down.....

[SWedd523]

I wonder if J-Rich would be happy or disappointed with a return to Charlotte?

Happy as long as Larry is gone.

[Black]

I strongly doubt we go after Richardson. I don't know what his sources are, but why would they want Diaw? They want a backup for Howard, not another Hedo type player.

[SWedd523]

I strongly doubt we go after Richardson. I don't know what his sources are, but why would they want Diaw? They want a backup for Howard, not another Hedo type player.

Gotta match the salary somehow.


For the record, the Orlando proposal is something I'd be all over. Get rid of dead weight (see guys, we don't need Baron to get rid of Diop) and bring in an expiring that frees up money long term for the rebuild. Get it done!

[spectre]

363

I liked Richardson a lot. I still have that statue...never took it down.

[ballwhore]

zig why you rip my thread down? Anyway http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/70729/20101223/bobcats_consider_dealing_for_baron_davis/ as I stated

[BETCATS]

Why would the Magic trade Richardson if they just got him? Crazy talk!
But if it is true I would be so fucking happy. Pure Charlotte nostalgia team!

Baron Davis/Jason Richardson/Gerald Wallace/Tyrus Thomas/DeAndre Jordan(?!) would put butts in the seats. Fill the bench up with NBDL players looking for a shot and who can take getting yelled at by Charles Oakley. It feels like touchless orgasm to type that.

[ohara831]

zig why you rip my thread down? Anyway http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/70729/20101223/bobcats_consider_dealing_for_baron_davis/ as I stated

It's all good Ballwhore. Threads get moved, combined and split all the time for overcrowding and threads being too big. Dont take it personal. Just house cleaning.

[ballwhore]

Never personal just wondering

[ziggy]

Never personal just wondering

Like Ohara said, basically reorganizing some of the threads... How big is the smile on DJ's face now that LB is gone?

[ballwhore]

Super d@mn excited about LB leaving but reservations about playing for another ancient coach though. He talked about how everyone in the locker room was done with LB. Then Thad (His agent) and Higgins called with the trade stuff and it was a downer from the stand point he wanted a fresh start in Charlotte. But Silas saying he wanted Davis would be LB situation part 2. (How the hell an interim coach gets say in trade) But later on last night starting really looking at the bright side of playing with Griffin and a young nuecleus with a total fresh start as well as being in L.A. could be really positive. Waiting to hear something sure MJ will f#ck it off

[ammofan]

Super d@mn excited about LB leaving but reservations about playing for another ancient coach though. He talked about how everyone in the locker room was done with LB. Then Thad (His agent) and Higgins called with the trade stuff and it was a downer from the stand point he wanted a fresh start in Charlotte. But Silas saying he wanted Davis would be LB situation part 2. (How the hell an interim coach gets say in trade) But later on last night starting really looking at the bright side of playing with Griffin and a young nuecleus with a total fresh start as well as being in L.A. could be really positive. Waiting to hear something sure MJ will f#ck it off


Do you think the deal is going to happen?

[ballwhore]

Everyone is waiting for Jordan he'll probably ask for three first round picks or something stupid to kill the damn deal.:mad:

[ammofan]

Everyone is waiting for Jordan he'll probably ask for three first round picks or something stupid to kill the damn deal.:mad:

You mean the Bobcats are waiting on MJ? Does Dj think he will be dealt today?

[ballwhore]

Yep today....Was suppose to pick him up at the airport todayhere in Houston but he canceled the flight. (No I mean everybody involved is waiting on Jordan to make up his damn mind)

[TheLegend]

I'm curious to find out what other player that we're rumor to get. I was at realgm just a few minutes ago and I've read that Big Slam said that we're trying to get a player but he wouldn't tell us who it is. Ballwhore do you have any info on that?

[ammofan]

Yep today....Was suppose to pick him up at the airport todayhere in Houston but he canceled the flight. (No I mean everybody involved is waiting on Jordan to make up his damn mind)

Wow damn.....I hope this happens. I bet the cats were hoping to announce the trade at the press conference they are having at 1 for Silas. (It will be shown on NBATV at 1)

[CatNation]

even tho ballwhore has a problem with saying things as if theyre a done deal when they never are (this has to be the 3rd time this season) as least he's straight up.

i cant stand that douchey attention whoring like whats going on at realgm or rof last time where its like "lololol I have inside info but I'm not gonna tell you guys. i am so special."

[ammofan]

I'm curious to find out what other player that we're rumor to get. I was at realgm just a few minutes ago and I've read that Big Slam said that we're trying to get a player but he wouldn't tell us who it is. Ballwhore do you have any info on that?

What thread was that on?

[TheLegend]

What thread was that on?

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=1070949&start=300#p26119595

[ballwhore]

Because I only say what i'm being told by the person directly involved. My source tells me he is gong to the Indiana not he might be going so I tell ya'll. He said he is going to the clippers this shit been in the works for over a week not that he may be going. Then guess what MJ f#cks the deals. It's also the third time I told ya'll about what (might) be going on before anyone else.
(Might) is that better. lmao

[jdub28]

Can anyone tell me why trading for Rip is a bad idea? The team has no one that can score consistently without dominating the ball, people were comparing Rip to Reggie Miller when it came to off the ball movement and getting open. Rip got screwed by the A.I. deal and then immediately after by the Ben Gordon deal, neither player was as good in Detroit as Rip was yet they asked him to come off the bench.

I would shop Jackson or Wallace for a starting big man then trade Diaw and Hendo for Rip, or wait until Detroit is to the point where they will take any salary dump they can and see if they will take Nazr, Hendo, and Najera.

[CatNation]

Rip would make DJ look a lot better. you get a guy that come of screens, catch n shoot and your assists will sky rocket. Rondo probably gets 4 assists per game off Ray Allen catch n shoots alone. DJ doesn't have anyone like that. His SG takes the ball from him, holds it for 15 seconds, jab steps 4 times, double crossover that wouldnt fool a blind guy, and shoots the contested 3. Not an easy way to get dimes.

[ballwhore]

Cat no one seems to understand that point.

[ammofan]

Rip would make DJ look a lot better. you get a guy that come of screens, catch n shoot and your assists will sky rocket. Rondo probably gets 4 assists per game off Ray Allen catch n shoots alone. DJ doesn't have anyone like that. His SG takes the ball from him, holds it for 15 seconds, jab steps 4 times, double crossover that wouldnt fool a blind guy, and shoots the contested 3. Not an easy way to get dimes.

Exactly. The whole team just stands with the ball.... and they expect to win games like that? We need soem good moving players on this team. And a guy or two who can really stretch the floor. J-rich would be awesome to have back here in CLT but I would love to have Rip here just as much. Rip moves great without the ball....maybe the best mover in the league.

[ballwhore]

Anyone familiar with Silas style of offense? Would RIP even be a fit. I just remember banging in the post.

[ammofan]

WHOA.........

http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/12/23/bobcats-michael-jordan-plots-next-move-in-wake-of-coaching-chan/

[jdub28]

Anyone familiar with Silas style of offense? Would RIP even be a fit. I just remember banging in the post.

That's all I remember too, but that is why I wouldn't do any thing until I move one of the wings for a big man (Zack Randolph?).Also I don't see the problem with having Rip running around getting open while Thomas/Diaw get fed in the paint.

[TheLegend]

WHOA.........

http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/12/23/bobcats-michael-jordan-plots-next-move-in-wake-of-coaching-chan/

Meh, Miller is alright in my opinion but he's old just like Camby. I rather us try and get Harris if theirs nothing else we can do.

[Absinthe]

Wallace, Diaw, and Diop for Camby and Miller seems lopsided, but they would get rid of Diop's contract, Camby is an expiring, and Miller has some sort of option. That's a good trade for Portland because Gerald Wallace would flourish in that system.

[ammofan]

I would rather do the Baron deal just because we dont give up Gerald and we do get rid of Carroll and Diop's deals.

[ballwhore]

everybody is reaching for a story. A big man that does it on both sides of the floor. Camby! lmbao

[Proudiddy]

If people thought the Clippers trade would suck, that Blazers deal is horrible.

[TheLegend]

I still want to know who the mystery guy we're trying to get.....

[ballwhore]

The blazers were set to draft dj though then out of nowhere Charlotte..WTF

[ammofan]

I still want to know who the mystery guy we're trying to get.....

Me too man....im hoping for Mayo or Ellis :D

[TheLegend]

Me too man....im hoping for Mayo or Ellis :D

Carmelo.... *prays* lol

[ammofan]

Carmelo.... *prays* lol

Haha yea him too

[jdub28]

WHOA.........

http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/12/23/bobcats-michael-jordan-plots-next-move-in-wake-of-coaching-chan/

The trade is meh, but I like that coaching staff. Paul Silas son works with the backcourt in GS and look how many good backcourt players they have seemingly got out of no where. Oakley and Paul Silas toughen up the the inside and smooth out T.T's edges, then you get a few Charlotte guys in Mugsy Bogues and P.J. Brown.

This is what I wanted to see here, I wouldn't put too much stock in any trade that is getting leaked right now but it finally feels like the Bobcats see that this team has problems that a talking to or a new head coach alone can't fix.

[ohara831]

WHOA.........

http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/12/23/bobcats-michael-jordan-plots-next-move-in-wake-of-coaching-chan/

I would begin to hate MJ as our owner if this went down. This is so putrid, I would start a boycott of Hanes underwear to see if we could cost MJ enough money that he would see the team. This would suck!

[Proudiddy]

Me too man....im hoping for Mayo or Ellis :D

The more I'm reading, the more I think we're just gonna end up dealing for a washed up vet... Look at the names - From the Clippers, BD... Blazers, Camby and Miller... YUCK. At this point the Clips would be a better deal because it's getting rid of Diop AND Carroll.

I don't understand MJ's logic in being determined to ship out DJ. This season just gets more disappointing by the moment.

[Absinthe]

I would rather do the Baron deal just because we dont give up Gerald and we do get rid of Carroll and Diop's deals.

If they do the Portland trade then it's obvious Jordan is rebuilding. They got under the luxury tax with the Dampier deal, they'll be getting rid of Diop's bad contract, Andre Miller is an expiring, I think Mohammed is an expiring, and Camby is a cheap rental for one year until he becomes an expiring. It looks like they're not looking to contend, but I'm fine with that.

[dav7z]

The Portland trade is a sure sign of blowing the team up with the expirings.

What i like about both those trades is we not taking on long term crap contracts. I thought most of the board wanted to blow up the team. Can't have it both ways at the same time.

[dav7z]

The more I'm reading, the more I think we're just gonna end up dealing for a washed up vet... Look at the names - From the Clippers, BD... Blazers, Camby and Miller... YUCK. At this point the Clips would be a better deal because it's getting rid of Diop AND Carroll.

I don't understand MJ's logic in being determined to ship out DJ. This season just gets more disappointing by the moment.

DJ is a back up at best and can't run the team at all. The offence has to go through JAX whitch even more F###KED up. Moveing DJ for just a average point is a up grade.
All so you need expirings to start over , Having 25 0r 30 milion to shop the market next season would be a good thing . That and the number #1 PICK in the draft. would be nice

[spectre]

LMAO and to think some called our Portland trade undervaluing Crash.

Jesus Christ. Now it's using DJ AND Crash to dump Gana. for admittedly a better PG but also a very aging Camby who ISN'T expiring and nothing else!

Some are going to start remembering that ILBIT didn't mean that Larry Brown was some kind of savior; moreso he at least had a clue how to build something. He was someone directing the ship other than the Lollipop.

[ammofan]

Just do the Baron trade now and run

[SWedd523]

Just do the Baron trade now and run

That's what everybody in Clipper Nation is saying.......


I'd do that Portland trade if Batum was included. Or a first.

[winthropbobcat]

http://www.rufusonfire.com/2010/12/23/1893699/rumor-gerald-wallace-to-trail-blazers-under-consideration

[winthropbobcat]

this trade would make us really old. Miller is almost 35, Camby is almost 37....yikes!

[Absinthe]

Is Baron Davis even capable of running anymore with his bad knees and excess weight?

[Black]

Time for a separate thread about the Portland trade speculation?

[winthropbobcat]

No way we give up Crash, DJ, Diop for 2 players 35 yrs and older.. No way.

[Absinthe]

No way we give up Crash, DJ, Diop for 2 players 35 yrs and older.. No way.

Why not? It's better than the Baron Davis refuse floating around, especially if they're rebuilding.

[winthropbobcat]

no way we trade dj, crash, diop for 2 guys 35 yrs and older... portland would have to sweeten the pot. Throw in Batum and Fernandez and you gotta deal.

[Black]

Some names bandied about in a deal for Redick have been Indiana’s Jeff Foster or Portland’s Joel Pryzbilla or Charlotte’s Nazr Mohammed or DeSagna Diop (yikes). Their salaries align.

Orlando Sentinel

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_magic/2010/12/can-magic-afford-to-trade-j-j-redick.html

I would LOVE to land JJ for Diop or Nazr!

[Proudiddy]

http://www.rufusonfire.com/2010/12/23/1893699/rumor-gerald-wallace-to-trail-blazers-under-consideration

I don't get the guys over at ROF's liking that Portland deal... I just don't see how that benefits us. Nobody cares about clearing cap room when the superstars don't want to come here anyway unless they're traded here. LeBron wouldn't have signed here if we would've gave the max deal and no one else would've had the cap room other than us...

If you're gonna trade the only all-star in franchise history and a young PG, you BETTER get youth and prospects back. Make em give us Oden, Patty Mills, Batum, FERNANDEZ!!!! WTF is MJ thinking?

[Twan's Kin]

We would have to get a Center back from someone if we shipped out Nazr.

[ammofan]

We would have to get a Center back from someone if we shipped out Nazr.

yea.....hopefully we can get Baron/Kaman and then ship naz to ORl for some bench scoring

[Absinthe]

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_magic/2010/12/can-magic-afford-to-trade-j-j-redick.html

I would LOVE to land JJ for Diop or Nazr!

Why in the hell are they shopping Reddick? That team is in full blown panic mode.

[ohara831]

My head hurts form all this talk of bad deals.

[winthropbobcat]

Im still voting on the Baron/Kaman or Jordan deal. We get to keep Crash, and dump Diop and Carroll and get rid of the back up PG. I would love this deal.

[Black]

Why in the hell are they shopping Reddick? That team is in full blown panic mode.

Because Arenas can fill that role, and they desperately need a center.

[ammofan]

Lets say we did Baron/Kaman for Diaw/DJ/Matt/Diop......and then did Naz for JJ

We would have this:

Davis/Livingston/Collins
Jack/JJ/Hendo
Gerald/UPS
Tyrus/McGuire/Eduardo
Kaman/Brown

Thats pretty legit.

[Absinthe]

Because Arenas can fill that role, and they desperately need a center.

They should have never traded for Arenas in the first place. The Jason Richardson/Hedo trade was good enough to improve them.

[RMT]

Ellis for Wallace....

possibly add some fillers like Livingston, maybe picks, Gadzouric, etc.

IMO it really fixes both teams.

Obviously Ellis isn't the true PG that we need, but he can definetely play PG and we need a pure scorer like him. Also he'd reunite with Silas and Captain Jack.

GSW gets a borderline all star SF in Wallace who seems like a great fit with Curry and Lee. I feel like as good as Monta is right now, Curry could be better if Monta was traded.

Thoughts... opinions

[Absinthe]

They'll never move Ellis. I think he's leading the league in scoring. He's one of the best pure scorers in the game and it would take more than Wallace and garbage to get him.

[ammofan]

Ellis for Wallace....

possibly add some fillers like Livingston, maybe picks, Gadzouric, etc.

IMO it really fixes both teams.

Obviously Ellis isn't the true PG that Charlotte needs, but he can definetely play PG and they a need a pure scorer like him. Also he'd reunite with Silas and Captain Jack.

GSW gets a borderline all star SF in Wallace who seems like a great fit with Curry and Lee. I feel like as good as Monta is right now, Curry could be better if Monta was traded.

Thoughts... opinions

I would do it but start Jack at the 3, and Monta at the 2. Then still do the DJ for Baron deal and have basically a Warriors team with Tyrus and maybe Kaman.

[The Prodigy]

Batum is apparently off limits in a trade. I know there were no rumors where we would get him, but many people were hoping we could get him in a potential trade.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playernews.aspx?sport=NBA

[fallen xxi]

Did anyone else go down the page a bit on that site The Prodigy posted and see the Wallace/DJ for Camby/Miller trade rumors?
I know we talked about this before but Crash was never in the talks. Would anyone else be willing to part with Crash for those two? I sure as hell wouldn't without at LEAST a 1st rounder draft pick.

[Black]

Did anyone else go down the page a bit on that site The Prodigy posted and see the Wallace/DJ for Camby/Miller trade rumors?
I know we talked about this before but Crash was never in the talks. Would anyone else be willing to part with Crash for those two? I sure as hell wouldn't without at LEAST a 1st rounder draft pick.

Crash was always in those talks...

[Absinthe]

Batum is apparently off limits in a trade. I know there were no rumors where we would get him, but many people were hoping we could get him in a potential trade.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playernews.aspx?sport=NBA

Their front office is notoriously stingy. That team is fucked for years (Aldridge is soft and has a terrible contract and it's entirely possible that Roy might not even be in the league in five years because of his knees).

[DY_nasty]

I take the Wallace/Matthews trade and not even think twice.

[Absinthe]

I take the Wallace/Matthews trade and not even think twice.

Portland won't be doing any trading unless it is Andre Miller. Their front office won't be parting with any of their young players because of the situation with Brandon Roy. Out of all of the trades, the Baron Davis trade seems most likely because their owner clearly wants him off the team (along with his teammates and Clipper fans).

[Plowright]

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/70736/20101223/bobcats_blazers_discuss_wallace_trade/

i really dont know about that, we certainly are not getting any younger.http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2b6zv7c

I know it improves our wins on this, but im really not sure why it would!

[Marvel]

That Wallace trade with Portland is f**ed if we don't get a 1st rounder back. Even then i don't like it, unless it includes Batum/Matthews. I got a bad feeling Higgins is going to screw us in any upcoming trade.

[Plowright]

apparantly the offer is on the table, its jsut up to Portland to accept it as they have other offer aswell. FML

[Absinthe]

That Wallace trade with Portland is f**ed if we don't get a 1st rounder back. Even then i don't like it, unless it includes Batum/Matthews. I got a bad feeling Higgins is going to screw us in any upcoming trade.

I agree with you. Three scenarios or I wouldn't do that trade:

1) They'd have to include a first rounder.
2) The Bobcats would have to hold onto DJ.
3) They include either Batum or Matthews.

If they don't agree to one of the three options they could fuck off.

[Proudiddy]

If we do this bullshit ass Blazers trade, I'm done for the season. I won't be watching anymore games for the year and will rock bacon neck shirts for the rest of my life. I'm serious we better not do it unless we get more back, namely Fernandez.

[Absinthe]

If we do this bullshit ass Blazers trade, I'm done for the season. I won't be watching anymore games for the year and will rock bacon neck shirts for the rest of my life. I'm serious we better not do it unless we get more back, namely Fernandez.

Fernandez is a whiner and he'll never play here. He threatened to go back home in the off season. Besides, if you've watched any Portland games this season he has looked terrible. He chunks a bunch of threes and rarely puts the ball on the floor.

[Proudiddy]

Fernandez is a whiner and he'll never play here. He threatened to go back home in the off season. Besides, if you've watched any Portland games this season he has looked terrible. He chunks a bunch of threes and rarely puts the ball on the floor.

Yeah, but he offers more than those two geriatrics we're asking for.

[ohara831]

We need an update from Ballwhore.

[Chef]

alright. i just got done driving 61/2 hours and have waded through all of this crap. what (if any) are actually credible (news agency backed potential deals). it seems like every yahoo tom dick and harry has posted a "bobcats moving pieces" story. there is no way we do the portland deal without anything coming back as far as matthews or batum is real. the only info i trust comes from ballwhore. he is relaying first person info. i know there are multiple moving parts and teams to deals so they fall through and change hourly, but i think we are letting rumors drive trade threads to 20+ pages before they are even verified.

[amour217]

No way we do that BS blazers trade...especially since we haven't taken the time to evaluate the current team under Silas...

And by the way...it's good to be back...blahahaha

[BobCatsFanInTx]

The Bobcats and Portland have discussed a trade that would send Gerald Wallace to the Blazers with center DeSagana Diop and point guard D.J. Augustin in exchange for center Marcus Camby and point guard Andre Miller.

"We're always monitoring how to improve our basketball team, and that hasn't stopped," Bobcats general manager Rod Higgins said in a conference call on Wednesday when asked about any potential trades. "We owe it to our community, our fan base, to try and improve. Part of the reason for this transaction (with Brown) is we haven't given up on the season and we want to try to get back into it, try to get back into the hunt.

"You have to think that we can get this team back on track with our team. Am I being naive? Maybe, but I firmly believe that this team is going to have an opportunity to get back on track."


Read more: http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/70736/20101223/bobcats_blazers_discuss_wallace_trade/##ixzz18ztheg4s

This is their trade but being that Rudy Fernandez is not happy in Portland I thought this trade was a lot better for both teams...http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2ecfquk

[Chef]

in the article sam amick says they discussed it and the info came from "league sources" ie not really a source for sure. no other media outlets even picked up on the story. however, the quote from the bobcats organization lends creedence to it, but who's to say they haven't called every team with a "what will you give us for wallace or what does it take for you to take diop?" i still say don't get bent out of shape over all of this until major outlets or at the very least charlotte news outlets start to report on any of this.

[ohara831]

Chef, if by Charlotte news outlets you mean Bonnell, then you might as well just wait to read something here. Because Bonnell is always a day late and a dollar short when it comes to info on the Bobcats.

[x2pacalypse]

i was watching tv and flipped through the local news and the sports guy was like "the bobcats are discussing possible trades, one of which has augustin for baron davis, and the other which has wallace and augustine for camby and mike miller....my friend who was sitting next to me literally spit out his drink and started laughing uncontrollably at me

[Boomer]

I have been seeing the Bobcats rumored to be discussing some pretty horrible trades. We need to resist making a trade just for the sake of change, we have to manage our assets (i.e. Wallace, DJ, Henderson, Brown, Tyrus, Diaw) and maximize them so we can build a solid contender.

[Fred Williamson]

apparantly the offer is on the table, its jsut up to Portland to accept it as they have other offer aswell. FML

fuck that :(

[BobCatsFanInTx]

In my mind Camby at this advanced stage in his career is way better than the 5's we currently have and Miller is a more than adequate replacement for DJ. I think we should get a first round draft pick out of the deal but I like the pieces we would be getting. My only fear is that there will be no other trades that would bring in a starting quality 3 to at least somewhat fill the void we would have losing Crash. I would also love to keep DJ for depth and put another player in his place but I don't see that happening. There are not a whole lot of favorable trade scenarios it would seem. Maybe we are better off taking a hit in the standings this season and prepare for the next basketball season that comes along. With the new CBA who knows how things will shake out. MJ should tell North and South Carolinian's to expect better results for next season and to hang in there. It is slightly possible though more improbable that Silas gets this group to buy into his system and they turn things around. Most likely no trade will go down till Silas sees what he has and who wants to play for him. If Silas has any input hopefully he will do better than others in the past in regards to trades and the such.

[Chef]

Chef, if by Charlotte news outlets you mean Bonnell, then you might as well just wait to read something here. Because Bonnell is always a day late and a dollar short when it comes to info on the Bobcats.

i am trying to find any reason i can to discredit these awful trades. any trade with portland needs to send us matthews if it involves wallace. the only justification i can see in getting camby and miller or even baron is perhaps the notion that with a lockout you only pay them prorated on how much of the season they play. so, you could load up on 2 and 3 year aging expensive players to make this year competitive and then count on not really paying them next year, so the first full season back you have a bunch of expiring but valuable on court contracts to move around for assets. or at least this is what i am telling myself while reading all of these trades where my first reaction is to vomit.

[spectre]

It's hard for me to believe that Crash's value has sunk so low. Remember the offer we were beating around with Portland a while back when Raef LeFrenz' unguaranteed contract was in play? Wasn't that something like Crash/Nazr (who was considered a bad contract then) for RLEC/Batum? I seem to remember there being more parts, but if anything I think it was more assets coming our way...maybe Webster?

Since then he's become an All Star and tops in defense (voted on by the other coaches BTW). It's a struggle to believe that 28 games has sunk his value this badly.

[Chef]

It's hard for me to believe that Crash's value has sunk so low. Remember the offer we were beating around with Portland a while back when Raef LeFrenz' unguaranteed contract was in play? Wasn't that something like Crash/Nazr (who was considered a bad contract then) for RLEC/Batum? I seem to remember there being more parts, but if anything I think it was more assets coming our way...maybe Webster?

Since then he's become an All Star and tops in defense (voted on by the other coaches BTW). It's a struggle to believe that 28 games has sunk his value this badly.

it should be lower than at the end of last year, but not this low. if this is the best we can do, keep him. if we are going to be going more uptempo he should shine a little more and his value will pop back up. he has fallen off but not this much. it is more a product of a putrid locker room situation.

[ohara831]

It's hard for me to believe that Crash's value has sunk so low. Remember the offer we were beating around with Portland a while back when Raef LeFrenz' unguaranteed contract was in play? Wasn't that something like Crash/Nazr (who was considered a bad contract then) for RLEC/Batum? I seem to remember there being more parts, but if anything I think it was more assets coming our way...maybe Webster?

Since then he's become an All Star and tops in defense (voted on by the other coaches BTW). It's a struggle to believe that 28 games has sunk his value this badly.


I wonder if that is why MJ has not pulled the trigger yet. Maybe he is of the opinion that unless we get more, there will be on trade of Crash. I hope this is the case. I know above I read that the offer for the Portland deal was good with Charlotte but waiting for the acceptance by Portland. I dont know how we get to the truth until a deal is either consumated or declared dead.

[DY_nasty]

it should be lower than at the end of last year, but not this low. if this is the best we can do, keep him. if we are going to be going more uptempo he should shine a little more and his value will pop back up. he has fallen off but not this much. it is more a product of a putrid locker room situation.
a bad locker room situation doesn't cause you to lose 6 inches of lift and miss every point blank shot for 3 weeks straight... Wallace is done and as soon as he touches the tainted soil of Portland, he'll burst into flames.

But getting rid of Diop for Camby and Miller's relatively shorter deals... I wouldn't make that kind of salary move until there is a clearer handle on the CBA

[Boomer]

I don't understand why our FO is trying to trade Crash for what basically amounts to vets on expiring/almost expiring deals. If you trade Crash, its got to be for young talent like Batum and picks. Otherwise, why trade him it all? Our performance in his absence has demonstrated how valuable he is to this team. It seems like the FO hasn't learned its lesson about jerry rigging teams together w/ vets to try to get into the 1st round and get swept.

I said it before and I'll say it again, this franchise operates like its goal is to get to a 1st round playoff series but we can't do that: our goal should be championship or bust.

[DY_nasty]

I don't understand why our FO is trying to trade Crash for what basically amounts to vets on expiring/almost expiring deals. If you trade Crash, its got to be for young talent like Batum and picks. Otherwise, why trade him it all? Our performance in his absence has demonstrated how valuable he is to this team. It seems like the FO hasn't learned its lesson about jerry rigging teams together w/ vets to try to get into the 1st round and get swept.

I said it before and I'll say it again, this franchise operates like its goal is to get to a 1st round playoff series but we can't do that: our goal should be championship or bust.Well MJ has said this year that his goal was to get back to the playoffs - Higgins as well.

I disagree with both.

However, I will say that Crash is done and the sooner we trade him the better. When he's off the court, the team is trash. When he's on the court, the team is trash. The big issue, is that when Crash is playing now - its nowhere near the same level that we're all accustomed to seeing and its becoming more and more apparent that the injuries have caught up with him this season. The last thing any Bobcats fan wants to see is Zombie Wallace, a guy who made a career on hustle and defense who can no longer do either. The only thing worse than overpaying a guy to stay is going out of your way to keep a guy who's lost his value.

Give me a young shooting guard with some range that will allow us to move Jackson to his rightful place at the 3 and I'm good.

With the new CBA being up in the air, I'd much rather us horde young players than worry about salary situations.

[DCW]

Is there the possibility that they really only want Camby and use Miller as part of a trade for Harris. Since Miller's contract is an expiring or non gaurenteed it might be something Den or NJ could want. just wondering

[Weezy21]

3 Step Trade Process that could actually work!

First Trade- Tyrus, Jackson to the Magic for Reddick, Nelson, and Anderson...its already been rumored...bear with me

Second Trade- Diop and Carrol to the Pistons for Rip...again, already been rumored

Third Trade- Wallace, Dj, and Kwame to the Kings for Landry and Thompson

http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5783517

New Line-Up

C-Thompson/Nazy
PF-Landry/Anderson
SF-Diaw/Brown
SG-Rip/Reddick
PG-Nelson/Livingston

Bobcats go for the complete overhaul...MJ is too stubborn to completely rebuild so he makes moves that add some youth but can still compete...this trade also saves them about $5 million instantly which MJ will like...they get a young an talented pg in nelson, Rip gives them veteran leadership with reddick as a great scoring 6th man...allows diaw to move to a more natural position in SF, trading tyrus gives them 2 cheaper talents in landry and anderson...plus they add a young big man in thompson...charlotte fans might be mad to lose wallace an jackson, but this team wasnt going anywhere

Best part is we get rid of our two worst contracts in diop and carrol and still have a talented team!

[spectre]

Is there the possibility that they really only want Camby and use Miller as part of a trade for Harris. Since Miller's contract is an expiring or non gaurenteed it might be something Den or NJ could want. just wondering

That's a good thought. He'd be a stop gap until Denver moved Melo and it'd allow us to get a PG that's good for more than just the present.


First Trade- Tyrus, Jackson to the Magic for Reddick, Nelson, and Anderson...its already been rumored...bear with me

Has that exact trade been rumored? I'm actually surprised it works (it does) as both Tyrus & Reddick are both BYC.

I would stop after #2, but that might just be me.

[Scottley Crue]

3 Step Trade Process that could actually work!

First Trade- Tyrus, Jackson to the Magic for Reddick, Nelson, and Anderson...its already been rumored...bear with me

Second Trade- Diop and Carrol to the Pistons for Rip...again, already been rumored

Third Trade- Wallace, Dj, and Kwame to the Kings for Landry and Thompson

http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5783517

New Line-Up

C-Thompson/Nazy
PF-Landry/Anderson
SF-Diaw/Brown
SG-Rip/Reddick
PG-Nelson/Livingston

Bobcats go for the complete overhaul...MJ is too stubborn to completely rebuild so he makes moves that add some youth but can still compete...this trade also saves them about $5 million instantly which MJ will like...they get a young an talented pg in nelson, Rip gives them veteran leadership with reddick as a great scoring 6th man...allows diaw to move to a more natural position in SF, trading tyrus gives them 2 cheaper talents in landry and anderson...plus they add a young big man in thompson...charlotte fans might be mad to lose wallace an jackson, but this team wasnt going anywhere

Best part is we get rid of our two worst contracts in diop and carrol and still have a talented team!

I really, really like where you're going with this. While I'd be inclined to stop after trade #2 like spectre, this is a youth overhaul that I believe can compete for and nab a playoff spot. Nelson's a highly talented point guard that this team could use (I haven't seen that trade rumored, but I'd be inclined to do it right now, were it not a jerk-like move to trade someone on Christmas Eve) and Rip's shooting ability and veteran leadership are also in high demand here, I believe.

If for no other reason, I also like it because it'd be interesting to see how many people's heads explode (not if...how many) at TWC Arena when Big Pat says "Now entering the game for your Bobcats, JJ Reddick!!"

[Absinthe]

The Magic need a center. That trade would have to net them Mohammed or I can't see them doing that.

[winthropbobcat]

It would be sheer insanity to trade TT. We have him locked up for cheap and his upside is nuts. Hopefully Silas starts him right away.

[Fred Williamson]

It would be sheer insanity to trade TT. We have him locked up for cheap and his upside is nuts. Hopefully Silas starts him right away.

http://cdn0.knowyourmeme.com/i/3330/original/lol_wut_Camble.jpg?1244648169

TT is in his 5th season and didn't improve since his rookie season, dumb as nuts, and not worth more than the MLE. We definitely overpaid him.

[CatNation]

I dunno about that. His per 36 numbers are a lot better this year than any other year of his career, at least offensively. His free throw shooting his dramatically improved. His FG and TS% are also dramatically improved. If Oakley takes him under his wing a little bit, beefs him up, and "fixes" his attitude, he could be an all star. I think under Silas he should get at least a few more MPG too. Hopefully

I also don't see why everyone says he doesn't have a shot. His mid range game shot is the best part of his game. He's no Stro

[DCW]

I likes the Evil Dead reference

[TattoodCats4life]

If we do any trade that involves Denver we need this! We need this kind of "craze" thing going on :)
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs1237.snc4/156925_482420693462_8245623462_5901457_4621302_n.j pg

[SWedd523]

Fred, we're normally on the same page but we differ on Tyrus. While he hasn't lived up to his potential, he's shown a ton of improvement in his short time in Charlotte. You remember when everybody said he couldn't score? His 15-18 footer from anywhere on the floor is wet. He's shown the ability to put the ball on the floor. And I personally like that he plays a bit wild.

He doesn't have a post game, and he's physically weak, but he's probably the only player on the team I wouldn't trade unless I got something really good for him.

[Chef]

another thought i had to try and convince myself the portland deal isn't on the table. what if the FO is talking to portland to try and up the ante of the clipper trade. if i am the clippers, i need to move baron's cancerous corpse ASAP before he starts infecting my young guys. the bobcats are the only team in league who will be calling in the next 2 years so i need to do the deal. if i hear that they have diop out in another potential deal that could easily get them in the playoffs this year, i add whatever value needs to be there to get the deal.

how funny is it that diop may be the centerpiece of two deals?

[Black]

Wizards are looking to trade Blatche. Just reporting it, not advocating us making a move.


Even before McGee tiff via @MrMichaelLee, Wiz said to be disappointed w/Blatche since extension and have discussed trying to trade Blatche

http://twitter.com/#!/STEIN_LINE_HQ

[ohara831]

I'm a big fan of Blatche

[stun704]

What type of package could we offer for blatche, and could he play center?

[fallen xxi]

Blatche definitely has the size and strength to play center and he also has the offensive ability to do so. His aggression on defense has been in question for a while now and that is what seems to disappoint the Wizards. I don't think he could come to Charlotte and jump into the Center spot.

[x2pacalypse]

Aggression? Smusmession
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDzRvZcFn48

[Boomer]

I really, really, really do not want Andray Blatche on this team. We have enough headcases and having uncoachable cancers like Blanche is NOT the way to win championships. THe Washington Post just reported that Blanche and McGhee got into an altercation outside a Club. It's just one after another with this guy.

We've got our team headcase (see Pistons (Artest); Lakers (Artest); see also Pacers w/ Artest/Jackson); you can have one, that's the rule, anymore and they start hanging out together and causing trouble

[dav7z]

I would do Borris for Blatche and N Young in a flat second. Those two would fit the run and gun style perfectly.

Then i would offer JAX FOR Miller straight up .

[Black]

Blatche blows goats.

[DY_nasty]

Blatche is probably the dumbest player in the league.

He makes JR Smith look humble too.

[Absinthe]

Blatche is probably the dumbest player in the league.

He makes JR Smith look humble too.

The front office seems like they're trying to cobble together a team of misfits and head cases. Kwame Brown (a draft bust), Tyrus Thomas (attitude problems), Stephen Jackson (attitude problems), Livingston (will never be the same due to a freak injury), etc. If they trade for Blatche (attitude problems and dumb as a rock), I am through with this team. I just don't have any sort of confidence in Jordan or the front office right. This team smells like they're desperate. Only a desperate team would even consider Washington's garbage.

[Plowright]

no to blatch unless we got sumin else aka nick young or hinrich etc would LOVE Mcgee here!!!

[Marvel]

These trades are stupid....Blatche is no better than Tyrus, MJ and Higgins....i have no faith in them to make this team better. The only head case i would be happy with is Monta Ellis.


KEVIN PRITCHARD

[Marvel]

Blatche SUCKS

[ammofan]

These trades are stupid....Blatche is no better than Tyrus, MJ and Higgins....i have no faith in them to make this team better. The only head case i would be happy with is Monta Ellis.


KEVIN PRITCHARD

I agree! I would love to have Monta here! Especially if Silas wants to run!

[LiquidWayno]

Blatche SUCKS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yaae43_FNp4&feature=player_embedded

BOOM, BLATCHE'D BIATCHES

[BETCATS]

^I was just about to post that!

Seriously, I dont know how the same people that call Baron/Jackson/Tyrus a cancer are the same people asking to bring him in or saying it would be ok to bring him if we got more out of it.

Since his NBA career has started.......
This guy was arrested for soliciting an undercover cop posing as a prostitute.
Fought a teammate outside a nightclub.
Committed more than a couple of handfuls of boneheaded plays.
Refused to leave the bench after getting in an argument with Flip Sanders.
and I'm sure I'm forgetting a few.

Not sure how anyone could seriously want him here. I am perfectly fine with Jackson/Tyrus and if Baron came here I think a negative impact would come from injuries not his presence in the locker room. Blanche is in a tight race with Demarcus Cousins for the title of "Biggest Knucklehead in the NBA"

[Chef]

how about this trade:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=29nkapu

out
dom and nazr

in
reddick
q richardson

[ammofan]

how about this trade:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=29nkapu

out
dom and nazr

in
reddick
q richardson

LMAO....i Wish!

[Plowright]

yer thats too good to be true im afraid chef, would love JJ here tho

[Black]

First, the Bobcats need a front-line point guard. They would love to move the final two years of Jackson’s deal to get one, but Wallace seems more likely because he’s younger and comes with less baggage.

Also, look for the Bobcats to try to gain cap relief by offering Boris Diaw to Orlando for the expiring contract of Jason Richardson, a former Bobcat. Diaw has a player option for $9 million next season, while Richardson’s $14.4 million comes off the books.

http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/articles/2010/12/26/midseason_deals_are_a_shot_at_finding_magic_formul a/?page=5

[ammofan]

http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/articles/2010/12/26/midseason_deals_are_a_shot_at_finding_magic_formul a/?page=5

God I would love for that to happen!

[BETCATS]

God I would love for that to happen!

I would too. But would that lead to the return of Gerald Wallace:Power Forward?

[Chef]

I would too. But would that lead to the return of Gerald Wallace:Power Forward?

no because he won't be here or at least shouldn't. we need to rebuild. if that report is in fact true (makes sense, orlando should be keeping jj but it has to be him or jj out) it would be diaw and nazr (or if we hit the lotto diop out).

not sure i would do diaw and nazr for j-rich. diaw will be worth more next year and is actually valuable to our team now.

[gforce33]

Also, look for the Bobcats to try to gain cap relief by offering Boris Diaw to Orlando for the expiring contract of Jason Richardson, a former Bobcat. Diaw has a player option for $9 million next season, while Richardson’s $14.4 million comes off the books.

[Jennings]

"Wouldnt beilve anything you hearing right now, talked to a Magizine reporter (Im not saying who he work's for or his name) but said that his wife works in the bobcats PR divison and has put out about 20 differnt trade rumors to reporters and such to use them as smoke screens for real trades, so untill i see the real trades i wouldnt beilve anything ."

Saw this from a guy on facebook. Of course could be bs. Interesting though.

[kman72]

mcgee and blatche got into a fight with each other outside the club 2 nights ago. Washington has suspended them both for 1 game.

its possible that eithr could be available on the trading block here soon. i really hope that the bobcats look into this and make a move, either player would fix a need here.

blatche can score, move tyrus to the center spot and outrun people.

mcgee good rebounder, great shotblocker and putback dunks,

im sure either would be hard to get but i hope the bobcats make a move for 1

[Black]

Check this thread: http://www.bobcatsplanet.com/vb/showthread.php?11948-The-2010-11-Trade-Discussion-Thread-(Part-III)

The general consensus is hell no to Blatche. He is soft and immature.

McGee would be an awesome fit, but they are not going to trade him.

[Chef]

they probably move blatche. he has been in trouble several times. he is a major headcase and terrible terrible terrible defender. i for one do not want him. even a little bit. he is a damn good offensive player though.

[Black]

they probably move blatche. he has been in trouble several times. he is a major headcase and terrible terrible terrible defender. i for one do not want him. even a little bit. he is a damn good offensive player though.

Not really. 43% from the field for a player his size is pretty pathetic.

[Boomer]

Hell to the no on Blatche. I'd love McGee but theyre not trading him for anything we've got.

[BETCATS]

If we get Blatche I would piss blood from my eyeballs and go to the stock market to invest all my money in Krusty Krab/Chum Bucket stock. NO NO NO to Blatche. We have Stephen Jackson, Tyrus Thomas, and Charles Oakley already and it will work. These guys all care about winning. Blatche is a cancer who thinks he is the biggest shit ever to step foot onto a basketball court; he is toxic and only cares about stats. Do not want.

[Plowright]

Yer, i have the same view has the rest no to Blatch, we already have Diaw and TT. However i would cream if we go Mcgee. He is everything i value in a centre, young,athletic,block shots,rebounds. Just gotta get him playing for you which shouldnt be a problem for Silas as his man managment skills are good

[teej]

"Wouldnt beilve anything you hearing right now, talked to a Magizine reporter (Im not saying who he work's for or his name) but said that his wife works in the bobcats PR divison and has put out about 20 differnt trade rumors to reporters and such to use them as smoke screens for real trades, so untill i see the real trades i wouldnt beilve anything ."

Saw this from a guy on facebook. Of course could be bs. Interesting though.

Would not at all surprise me, every trade they've done has been out of the blue, and the ones that turned out to be truthful rumors (Tor, Den/NJ/Utah, etc.) fell through.

[spectre]

[/URL][URL="http://www.rumorpress.net/?p=147"]Huge 8 player deal in the works (http://www.rumorpress.net/?p=145)


The Bulls and Bobcats have discussed an 8 player deal that would send Stephen Jackson to the Bulls and James Johnson and Taj Gibson as the key players heading to Charlotte. The Bulls want to keep Taj, but seem willing to pull the trigger if they can’t get OJ Mayo or JR Smith without giving up Taj.

The Bulls and Grizzlies had discussed a Mayo to Chicago deal, but the Grizzlies are asking for Taj Gibson, Omer Asik, James Johnson, and the Charlotte draft pick. The Bulls will not do that trade, but have considered doing a Gibson, Johnson, Bogans for Mayo deal, which Memphis wouldn’t do at this point.

If the Bulls are to give up Gibson, then they must ask for Darrell Arthur in return. Arthur has had an overall good year, but is best suited coming off the bench, while Gibson is a starting caliber player. Since the deal isn’t enough for the Grizzlies without Arthur involved, the Bulls should add 2 1st rounders to the deal to give reason to Memphis for Arthur being included. The Bulls don’t have the playing time available to develop a prospect and those two picks could be nice depth for the Grizzlies, and who knows, they could possibly find a gem in the late 1st. The trade would then be Arthur and Mayo for two Bulls 1sts, Keith Bogans, Taj Gibson, and James Johnson. If the Grizzlies won’t bite on that, then the Bulls shouldn’t deal Gibson for Mayo and move on.

If the Bulls could get that deal to work, they would then have a complete team with quality starters at every position, while maintaining a solid backup big man and keeping the same key role players. The Finals would definitely not be out of reach for that team.

Many don’t want to part with Gibson because of Boozer’s injury history, but the goal is to win a championship and as good of a player as Gibson is, without Boozer the Bulls aren’t winning the title whether Gibson is his replacement or not. Bench players will always be available, but quality starters aren’t out there often, hence why the Bulls must pull the trigger on a Mayo deal.

Now all we have to do is wait and see. Stephen Jackson could very well be on his way to Chicago.

[polarcat]

I'm kind of confused. Chicago wouldn't give up Gibson to land a young OJ Mayo or JR Smith, but would for an aging Stephen Jackson? Depending on what the other pieces are, I'm asking where do I sign off if it nets us 2 young pieces for a SG on the wrong side age-wise of his career. That allows us to move Diaw and Wallace for other pieces and continue with our re-build. I like Taj Gibson a lot in what little I have seen of him. He looks like at worse a 6th-man energy guy, if not an eventual starter in this league. Hmmm..... intriguing. Good find spectre.

[ohara831]

I like that deal. Especially since it allows us to move Diaw in another deal as Polarcat mentioned. Great find, Spectre!

[WAM9]

I'm not really clear exactly what the deal would be for us but I would sign off on the main pieces being Jack for Gibson and Johnson in a heartbeat.

Also, maybe Mayo isn't out of the question in a 3 way. Either way, these seem to be quality options for Jackson.

[spectre]

There was a mention previously that we had something in place sending Jax out, so I'm wondering if this is the deal that fell thru back then. Dunno tho; on RGM's trade board their fan posted this rumor with the caveat "A reliable inside source who has exclusively reported dozens of other past trades", yet I've seen their moderators suggest the opposite.

Kind of funny, for a while now Jax has been coming up as a target on the Bulls' fans radar, but they've always wanted to give a shitty return back (CHA 1st, Brewer is off limits!). I guess with the rumor of what the Griz want for Mayo giving up assets for Jax isn't so bad after all.

[spectre]

I'm not really clear exactly what the deal would be for us but I would sign off on the main pieces being Jack for Gibson and Johnson in a heartbeat.

Also, maybe Mayo isn't out of the question in a 3 way. Either way, these seem to be quality options for Jackson.

This is the breakdown in that trade thread:

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1079029#p26156674


Charlotte
Taj Gibson
James Johnson
Keith Bogans
Ronnie Brewer (possible)

Chicago
Stephen Jackson
Kwame Brown (possible)
Elton Brown (possible)
Sherron Collins (possible)

No mention on the Bobcats Pick or any picks involved.

I'm assuming he added in filler salaries to make the deal work (i.e. "possible").

[WAM9]

Well, if that is the complete deal, I would do that without question.

[Scottley Crue]

Hmmm....I like this Chicago deal, too. Now if that Diaw for Richardson deal has legs, we'd have a high-quality SG with a hefty expiring contract. I like the way this could go.

[ammofan]

What the hell would JJ and Taj do for us? That trade just stockpiles more SF/PF's that are average-good at best. We already have McGuire/UPS/Tyrus/Boris who are jsut like them. If w trade Jack WE BETTER get Mayo or a decent starting 2 guard in return.

[ammofan]

Hmmm....I like this Chicago deal, too. Now if that Diaw for Richardson deal has legs, we'd have a high-quality SG with a hefty expiring contract. I like the way this could go.

But if we do that, arent we just the 2007 Bobcats? Why do we want to go backwards?

DJ
J-Rich
Crash
Tyrus
Nazr?

or

DJ
Jax
Crash
Boris
Nazr
w/Tyrus off bench

IDK which I would rather have to be honest.

[ohara831]

Hmmm....I like this Chicago deal, too. Now if that Diaw for Richardson deal has legs, we'd have a high-quality SG with a hefty expiring contract. I like the way this could go.

I would have to say that if the Chicago deal and Diaw/Richardson both went down, I would have to admit that my faith in the FO would be renewed. It would be a good start on working our way out of this hole we dug. It may be painful to part ways with some well loved players, but if we have to start rebuilding, no time like the present.l

[ammofan]

This is the breakdown in that trade thread:

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1079029#p26156674


I'm assuming he added in filler salaries to make the deal work (i.e. "possible").

Who the hell is Elton Brown? lol

[ammofan]

I would have to say that if the Chicago deal and Diaw/Richardson both went down, I would have to admit that my faith in the FO would be renewed. It would be a good start on working our way out of this hole we dug. It may be painful to part ways with some well loved players, but if we have to start rebuilding, no time like the present.l

I mean I agree but Im worried that we are in rebuild-dump salary mode and then we will never sign anyone decent in Free Agency once the contracts expire that we dealt for. If our plan is to trade for these guys and then sign Melo than thats great but that will never happen.

[spectre]

Combine that with the Portland trade:

Miller/Liv
Richardson/Brewer/Henderson
Johnson
Tyrus/Gibson
Camby

Who am I missing? Don't know how "win now" that group would be...but the financials would be very good for the FO. After a year or so there'd be no bad contracts on the team and a helluva lot of capspace.

I'd be shocked if MJ did all that after all the rumors about how he needed to get back into the playoffs.

[ammofan]

Combine that with the Portland trade:

Miller/Liv
Richardson/Brewer/Henderson
Johnson
Tyrus/Gibson
Camby

Who am I missing? Don't know how "win now" that group would be...but the financials would be very good for the FO. After a year or so there'd be no bad contracts on the team and a helluva lot of capspace.

I'd be shocked if MJ did all that after all the rumors about how he needed to get back into the playoffs.

Thats like a bad NBA 2K11 team lol....You know like the team that you make 3-4 trades and then you realize you have no go to guys and their all role players? Thats what that lineup is like.

[ohara831]

The Chcago trade and the Diaw/J-Rich idea would not be trades that make this team a Playoff contender over the next 2 years. They are the start of rebuilding to get this team out of a mess. Right now, we have bad contracts, no cap space, and bad play. If we can make these moves to get younger, additional picks, shed a couple bad contracts and get us some significant cap space in the next couple years, I can deal with the bad play for a year or so. When you have a mile to move, you wont get there in one step. It takes several. And these would be 2 very significant and big steps in that move. When people rank the teams and their futures, we are usually dead last. This would go a long long way and changing that perception. I know if would be hard for MJ to swallow having to blow it up and rebuild, but 5 years from now this may be seen as the defining moment in Bobcat's history which led this team to a bright and prosperous future.

[winthropbobcat]

wow if the orlando deal goes down, and the chicago deal, what a move for us!!!

DJ
JRICH
GW
TYRUS
TAJ (he can play center)

I think that's a pretty darn good lineup, we need another solid 2 guard and pg, but Johnson is a shooter so I think he could fill that hole. I would love love love for these 2 trades to go down.

[spectre]

DJ & Richardson on defense would be a nightmare for us, and we'd have no hope of containing a dominant C.

Heh, add in B-Shoddy for Gana/Carroll and then find a C.

[ammofan]

The Chcago trade and the Diaw/J-Rich idea would not be trades that make this team a Playoff contender over the next 2 years. They are the start of rebuilding to get this team out of a mess. Right now, we have bad contracts, no cap space, and bad play. If we can make these moves to get younger, additional picks, shed a couple bad contracts and get us some significant cap space in the next couple years, I can deal with the bad play for a year or so. When you have a mile to move, you wont get there in one step. It takes several. And these would be 2 very significant and big steps in that move. When people rank the teams and their futures, we are usually dead last. This would go a long long way and changing that perception. I know if would be hard for MJ to swallow having to blow it up and rebuild, but 5 years from now this may be seen as the defining moment in Bobcat's history which led this team to a bright and prosperous future.

I understand that but we have a team that just got in the Playoffs and could easily get back in. Rebuilding isnt the best thing to do if you are replacing our "stars" like Jack with guys that an average Charlottean has never heard of. The money and flexibilty will be great but will that put people in the seats? NOPE. Will dealing for OJ Mayo and developing him as a star here in Charlotte put people in the seats? Maybe.....maybe we can win. Will trading for Baron Davis put us in a great financial position for years to come? Nope, but will he draw attention to the team and possibly win games for us with Silas being our new coach? Maybe. I watched Baron yesterday and he looked great. 15 pts and 9 asts. I just dont want this team to rebuild and dump off our best players for cap space essentially. And cap space isnt going to help this team get great players by the way. if we had 20 million in space this past summer, LBJ and all of the other top free agents wouldn't even sneeze at the thought of playing here. That bothers me alot but its true. Rebuild this team by dealing for estabilshed young players like Mayo who can come in and make an impact, not through hopes and dreams of getting stars in the future.

[Chef]

I'm kind of confused. Chicago wouldn't give up Gibson to land a young OJ Mayo or JR Smith, but would for an aging Stephen Jackson? Depending on what the other pieces are, I'm asking where do I sign off if it nets us 2 young pieces for a SG on the wrong side age-wise of his career. That allows us to move Diaw and Wallace for other pieces and continue with our re-build. I like Taj Gibson a lot in what little I have seen of him. He looks like at worse a 6th-man energy guy, if not an eventual starter in this league. Hmmm..... intriguing. Good find spectre.

what a weirdly written article. it seems we would be sending jax for jj and gibson which i would do all day. i think both are backups, taj could be a starter down the road but offensively he isn't starter material. great d and rebounder.

the rest of the article was about memphis, so clearly they want mayo much more than jax but don't want to throw our pick in. our pick is valuable but hopefully we benefit from the protection until we rebuild then let it net them a late lotto or just outside the lotto pick.

[Chef]

Thats like a bad NBA 2K11 team lol....You know like the team that you make 3-4 trades and then you realize you have no go to guys and their all role players? Thats what that lineup is like.

you just described our current roster, last years roster and every roster we have ever had.

[ammofan]

you just described our current roster, last years roster and every roster we have ever had.

Thats very true!

[WAM9]

I think it will be addition by subtraction with Jack and not make us deal Crash. Crash plays different when Jack is on the floor. Not sure how to explain it but he definitely does. Before we trade Crash who has been our heart and soul forever, I would like to get rid of JAck and see how that effects Wallace.

Lots of deals out there but there are 3 I would like to see and find out where we could go. These would be withour completely blowing it up and would keep Crash but would also have an eye on the financial future.

1) Chicago - Jack for Taj Gibson and Johnson.
2) Orlando - Diaw (filler) for J-Rich.
3) LA Clippers - DJ, Diop and Carrol for Baron and Jordan.

New lineup would be:
PG - Baron, Livingston
SG - J-Rich, Henderson
SF - Crash, Derrick Brown
PF - Tyrus, Taj
C - Nazr, Taj, Jordan

James Johnson would still be worked in somewhere also. This would turn Diop and Carroll into 1 big contract that is Baron. I know it is popular to hate on him right now but he would be better than these 2 guys and under Silas (in Charlotte) I could definitely see an improvement to his game overall. The cancer that seems to be Jack is gone and we get some long term pieces back. I think Crash goes back to his normal self without Jack and in an up tempo system. This let's us basically blow it up without giving up Crash and look toward the future with still being competitive. Your thoughts?

[kman72]

mcgee and blatche got into a fight with each other outside the club 2 nights ago. Washington has suspended them both for 1 game.



its possible that eithr could be available on the trading block here soon. i really hope that the bobcats look into this and make a move, either player would fix a need here.



blatche can score, move tyrus to the center spot and outrun people.



mcgee good rebounder, great shotblocker and putback dunks,



im sure either would be hard to get but i hope the bobcats make a move for 1

[winthropbobcat]

I think it will be addition by subtraction with Jack and not make us deal Crash. Crash plays different when Jack is on the floor. Not sure how to explain it but he definitely does. Before we trade Crash who has been our heart and soul forever, I would like to get rid of JAck and see how that effects Wallace.

Lots of deals out there but there are 3 I would like to see and find out where we could go. These would be withour completely blowing it up and would keep Crash but would also have an eye on the financial future.

1) Chicago - Jack for Taj Gibson and Johnson.
2) Orlando - Diaw (filler) for J-Rich.
3) LA Clippers - DJ, Diop and Carrol for Baron and Jordan.

New lineup would be:
PG - Baron, Livingston
SG - J-Rich, Henderson
SF - Crash, Derrick Brown
PF - Tyrus, Taj
C - Nazr, Taj, Jordan

James Johnson would still be worked in somewhere also. This would turn Diop and Carroll into 1 big contract that is Baron. I know it is popular to hate on him right now but he would be better than these 2 guys and under Silas (in Charlotte) I could definitely see an improvement to his game overall. The cancer that seems to be Jack is gone and we get some long term pieces back. I think Crash goes back to his normal self without Jack and in an up tempo system. This let's us basically blow it up without giving up Crash and look toward the future with still being competitive. Your thoughts?


If we could pull off all 3 of those, I would be doing backflips. Thats a solid starting 5 right there and a good young nucleus with our favorite player in tact. I would be elated. We all know Tyrus needs to be starting. We all want to keep Wallace. We get a solid young guy in Taj, and we get a veteran PG who flourishes in the up tempo system.

[bing!]

Blatche Can Score! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yaae43_FNp4&feature=player_embedded)

Sorry, I had to.

[Chef]

If we could pull off all 3 of those, I would be doing backflips. Thats a solid starting 5 right there and a good young nucleus with our favorite player in tact. I would be elated. We all know Tyrus needs to be starting. We all want to keep Wallace. We get a solid young guy in Taj, and we get a veteran PG who flourishes in the up tempo system.

orlando is going to want nazr with diaw if it is a two team trade. they need a backup center. i think (and i never thought i would say this) nazr and diaw are worth more. if it is a multi teamer where we give up diaw and maybe someone like hendo and get back jrich i would be for it. if it is nazr and diaw we would save 9 mil and that's it. diaw has value on our team and nazr as an expiring very capable back up center is worth more to some teams.

[Fred Williamson]

there's a trade thread, and hell no to these assheads. I would consider McGee though if we can get him for cheap

[WAM9]

orlando is going to want nazr with diaw if it is a two team trade. they need a backup center. i think (and i never thought i would say this) nazr and diaw are worth more. if it is a multi teamer where we give up diaw and maybe someone like hendo and get back jrich i would be for it. if it is nazr and diaw we would save 9 mil and that's it. diaw has value on our team and nazr as an expiring very capable back up center is worth more to some teams.

Maybe we could get JJ Reddick back in the deal from their side.

[Chef]

This is the breakdown in that trade thread:

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1079029#p26156674



I'm assuming he added in filler salaries to make the deal work (i.e. "possible").

my favorite part about this rumored "actual" trade is reading the huge difference between fans (especially chicago fans over whom i have been arguing over the bulls needing a jax and being in win now mode) and gm's valuing of players and contracts.

[Chef]

Maybe we could get JJ Reddick back in the deal from their side.

doubt it but i would require jj for nazr. no one else on their roster short of jameer (not moving) is desireable for us.

[Proudiddy]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/rumors/post/Bobcats-Diaw-headed-to-Magic-?urn=nba-300741


Forward Boris Diaw(notes) came to the Charlotte Bobcats in a December trade two years ago and now he may be exiting the team via a December trade now.

The Boston Globe has it that Diaw could be headed to the Orlando Magic in exchange for a fella who used to play for the Bobcats, swingman Jason Richardson(notes), who has only been in Orlando for four games since being traded from the Phoenix Suns.

As the Globe reports, Richardson's $14.4 million contract is up at season's end while Diaw has a player option for $9 million next season.

I don't understand why it seems so vague??? Whatever happened to reporting things when they are sure to happen or are agreed upon? I also assume if this is going through we have more moves coming up as Swish would be a 2, so it doesn't explain where Jack would move...

[Black]

Deceiving title, and this has already been discussed in the trade thread.

[Weezy21]

well this trade rumor is probably vague because it has been reported by several outlets...different variations...first one i saw said tyrus/jackson for reddick, anderson, nelson....then i saw diaw/jackson for jrich and anderson...an now this

i think ppl are throwing ideas out there and hoping they stick...but its like somebody posted in another thread that said "the bobcats are feeding out a bunch of smokescreen trades to multiple media outlets to hide the real trades they are working on"

if this is real tho, I'd love it

[Proudiddy]

Deceiving title, and this has already been discussed in the trade thread. Didn't know, but posted it as it's own thread because when I saw the blurb I was under the assumption that it was going through, and it was on yahoo, so I thought it was credible.

What's deceiving about it when the blurb says the same thing? Mods can feel free to merge it with the discussion thread if need be, I just thought it was a "done deal."

[Proudiddy]

well this trade rumor is probably vague because it has been reported by several outlets...different variations...first one i saw said tyrus/jackson for reddick, anderson, nelson....then i saw diaw/jackson for jrich and anderson...an now this

i think ppl are throwing ideas out there and hoping they stick...but its like somebody posted in another thread that said "the bobcats are feeding out a bunch of smokescreen trades to multiple media outlets to hide the real trades they are working on"

if this is real tho, I'd love it

Yeah, it'd be a good deal for us, but I'm wondering what'll take up that 5mil or so to match the salaries?

[Black]

Didn't know, but posted it as it's own thread because when I saw the blurb I was under the assumption that it was going through, and it was on yahoo, so I thought it was credible.

What's deceiving about it when the blurb says the same thing? Mods can feel free to merge it with the discussion thread if need be, I just thought it was a "done deal."

Exactly, your title makes it sound like a done deal, which it isn't. In any event, they can have Diop with Diaw, not Nazr.

[Brad]

the reason why is because sites like profootballtalk.com and other rumor sites get a tremendous amount of traffic. Online editors are constantly being pushed to get more and more traffic and page views. Page views = $$$. With the dwindling print revenue, media companies are pushing their online divisions to replace that lost revenue. That's why blogs and rumors are so popular, because people want to read it and talk about it.

[Chef]

well this trade rumor is probably vague because it has been reported by several outlets...different variations...first one i saw said tyrus/jackson for reddick, anderson, nelson....

if this one happened i would have trouble explaining a walking erection right after being on the computer to my wife.

[Weezy21]

http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5786490

Combo of 3 trade rumors...also in that trade, detroit would give us a 1st rounder

C-Naz/Kwame
PF-Taj/Anderson
SF-Prince/Brown
SG-Rip/JRich
PG-Nelson/Livingston

After this year, with all of our expirings, we would have roughly $28 million to spend...we would have several young pieces to build around...plus we get detroit's first in the deal which is a huge plus

[ND22]

What happened to Silas wanting to see how the guys adjusted to his new system?

I call B.S. If it isn't, I guess I would welcome the second coming of Jason Richardson. It would move TT into the starting lineup (where I want him) and J-Rich would be a good 6th man. It would leave us very thin with our already weak frontcourt though.

[WAM9]

doubt it but i would require jj for nazr. no one else on their roster short of jameer (not moving) is desireable for us.

You're right and since they just dealt VC and J-Rich would be in the deal already, I doubt JJ would be available. I sure would like to simplify it and boil it down to just Diaw for J-Rich. Salary wise, I guess we need some filler though.

[Carolina Swagger]

Blatche is a nuckle-head, stay away

[Proudiddy]

Can anyone tell me what the source of the Jameer Nelson rumor is? I haven't seen it anywhere. Also, wanted to post this... Apparently, we're gonna see how thing slooks this week first before moving anything. I personally think a deal is still likely to be done.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?STORY_ID=18300


Charlotte Wants To Change: The Charlotte Bobcats announced their Assistant Coaching staff yesterday and will start the Paul Silas era tonight in Charlotte versus the Pistons.

Silas has pledged that his Bobcats will be more uptempo than Larry Brown's version of the team, and it's been made clear that players need to get on board with Silas quickly or they will be traded.

Charlotte has been very active in looking at deals, offering up virtually everyone on the roster to at least one team or another, so the Bobcats know what's available to them if they were to make a trade.

Sources near the team said this next stretch of games will be the measuring stick on whether the team is flawed in its construction or just underachieving.

The Bobcats host the Pistons tonight, and then have a practice day on Tuesday before hosting the Cavaliers. They will have another practice day on Thursday before hosting the Golden State Warriors on Friday and practice days Saturday and Sunday before hosting the Miami HEAT on January 3rd.

Sources close to the situation said if the team does not show improvement over this next stretch of winnable games, there will be significant changes and the ground work for those changes has been put in place.

There have been reports that the Bobcats have offered Gerald Wallace up in trade and should things continue as they have he could be one of many Charlotte starters moved.

If things improve and the team actually competes this week, the first option is to keep these guys together.


Read more NBA news and insight: http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?STORY_ID=18300#ixzz19KfXGWKZ

[Ghost Kat]

If our bigs weren't so pitiful I'd do backflips for this trade. But Diaw for J-Rich straight up with no bigs exchanged wouldnt make sense.

God i hate Diaw

[Ghost Kat]

Mcgee wouldn't be a bad pick up campared to what we have now, especially if we are going to play uptempo

[rsxnova]

There is also a rumor of SJax to the bulls.

Out SJax
In Gibson, Johnson, our pick

[ohara831]

There is also a rumor of SJax to the bulls.

Out SJax
In Gibson, Johnson, our pick

I heard of Gibson and Johnson, but not our 2012 1st being involved. That would be too much to pay for Jax along with the players.

[rsxnova]

Maybe it wasnt the 1st. Ill have to double check. We could alway go after Yao! We would have the Asian audiance to back us up.

[polarcat]

There is also a rumor of SJax to the bulls.

Out SJax
In Gibson, Johnson, our pick

Agree with ohara... I think our 1st rounder being included in trade rumors was if Chi-town dealt with Memphis in acquiring Mayo. I am so impatient with hope for us moving some pieces, and to see most of the rumors are favorable to us (or at least something most fans can deal with). I do hope Silas gets a chance at seeing what we've got before dealing players (i.e - DJ, Hendo), but at the same time I would love moving out the likes of the Fat Frenchy, Captain Jack and getting salary relief + young talent. Then again, like someone mentioned over at the Realgm boards, someone that knows someone in the PR Dept. says a bunch of rumors are being tossed out as smokescreens, so who really knows what's going down at the Cable Box.

[Fred Williamson]

we should try to get Mayo. We can make a MUCH better trade offer than Chicago.

[playoffs...PLAYOFFS?]

any trade that is discussed in the media means that it was leaked out since it isn't going to happen... i dont remember the last time a trade was discussed in the media and it actually went through

[Katmandu]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/rumors/post/Bobcats-Diaw-headed-to-Magic-?urn=nba-300741



I also assume if this is going through we have more moves coming up as Swish would be a 2, so it doesn't explain where Jack would move...

Crash could move to the 4, Jackson to the 3 and let JRich play the 2. That could do a lot to fuel a playoff run.
I can see moving Diaw. His versatility and passing mean more if you're running a lot of half court sets. If you want to run you want your bigs to defend, rebound, run and finish. That's more Wallace and Thomas than Diaw.
I'll believe this when I see it - but I'd like to see it.

[Boomer]

I'd like to see what everyone can do under Silas before we do any trades

[Plowright]

I know everyone is saying that the magic will want nazr or a big man to back up dwight but i think diaw is their big man. Remember the defense he played for Howard earlier this year! He D'd him up very well and has shown he can play some 5

[Proudiddy]

After another TO-filled perfromance by Jack tonight, I think he may be the first to get moved.

[Charlotte Hornets 4 Ever]

After another TO-filled perfromance by Jack tonight, I think he may be the first to get moved.

We can only hope!

[bbh2020]

RealGM mentions the Rockets have talked to the Bobcats and Kings about Yao.

We would have to get more from them don't you think?

Jordan Hill and Courtney Lee?

[ammofan]

RealGM mentions the Rockets have talked to the Bobcats and Kings about Yao.

We would have to get more from them don't you think?

Jordan Hill and Courtney Lee?

I would think so yea......

[Mustachio]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3agatsn Yes?

[ammofan]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3agatsn Yes?

I would check to see if ORL would do Diaw for J-Rich first....if not I may do that

[Weezy21]

After another TO-filled perfromance by Jack tonight, I think he may be the first to get moved.

im thinkin the same thing

[BobCatsFanInTx]

I don't understand Bird rights or BYC. Is there anyway to make a trade with Orlando for JJ Redick?

[BETCATS]

Why would our division rival (it is really a one way rivalry) trade us their best bench player? JJ will not be a Bobcat unless we get raped in a trade for him.
And who needs JJ when Matt Carrol is coming back to life and getting quality minutes for Silas?

[Chef]

Why would our division rival (it is really a one way rivalry) trade us their best bench player? JJ will not be a Bobcat unless we get raped in a trade for him.
And who needs JJ when Matt Carrol is coming back to life and getting quality minutes for Silas?

1. magic are in win now mode they could care less about in division. the only in division team they are worrying about is miami. if they want nazr and we demanded jj they would do it.
2. jj is so much better the carrol. i would take jj over matt each and every day. he is a steal right now because the magic are in win now mode and he is not going to get the burn behind jrich and arenas. that is if they are targeting a big like nazr.
3. matt is getting quality minutes because he is the next best sg by a mile over hendo and dom. and jax is at 3 because crash is out. hopefully, his play will convince someone to take him on in a trade so we can dump his contract.

[ammofan]

Why would our division rival (it is really a one way rivalry) trade us their best bench player? JJ will not be a Bobcat unless we get raped in a trade for him.
And who needs JJ when Matt Carrol is coming back to life and getting quality minutes for Silas?

JJ is better than Matt(Thats not dissing Matt,he's doing fine, JJ is just a better player)

[polarcat]

My hopes in the coming weeks trade-wise for the Cats:

- Don't trade: DJ, Hendo, UPS, T2
- Do trade: everyone else if it nets us either talented youth, solid draft picks, salary cap relief.

I think you have to sell high and bury the personal connections with players (i.e - Wallace, Jax) in order to get the most out of your team. The Patriots (I hate them) do this better than any organization in sports with their eye on the future just as much as the present. Diaw's value will not be higher than it is right now and once Wallace is healthy and in Silas' system for a few games, his value will be back to where it was in '09-'10. Our window for winning is very short-term and though we could slide into the playoffs as a 7 or 8, we're a one and done team for the next few years with this current roster. Wallace has done tremendous things for this team and city, but in almost 7 years, what more is he going to bring this team that he hasn't already. He is a complimentary player on every other team, and a 3rd option on the elite teams. If we are no more than a fringe playoff/lottery team for the next few seasons, why not sell high on Wallace? Yes it would hurt immensely, but it's about the team, not the player. Outside of last year's playoff run, we've watched 3-4 seasons of barely watchable basketball and we need a new blueprint. I like what DJ could offer. I like what Silas can offer. I like what T2 brings. I'd like to see if Gerald and UPS can turn into solid starters and be a part of our new core. Say no to the Baron Davis' and Yao Ming's. I've watched some pretty shitty ball for 1/3 of the season and combined with the other Charlotte sports franchise, I could bare with 2/3 of a season that sucks if it means that we free ourselves of crappy contracts, gets some youth with upside in here (Taj Gibson, OJ Mayo, Jason Thompson, etc.), and puts us in position to draft a future cornerstone in the top 5 of the draft. I'm not advocating tanking, but cleaning house, and letting the balls bounce where they may. I'd rather watch hungry players in a fun system that are working on improving and happy to be here than what I've seen this season.

/end rant

[BETCATS]

JJ is better than Matt(Thats not dissing Matt,he's doing fine, JJ is just a better player)

I agree, but it is duplicating talent. We should not trade our best center who is also an expiring contract to get a upgraded version of Matt Carrol. If we are trading for anything it should be either Jackson for younger players or a center that we could have around for the next 3-4 years.

And i think that JJ is a big part of Orlando's success this year. Im pretty sure Otis Smith would agree with that. He has other players that he can dump on other teams to get a big body to back up Dwight.

[stun704]

My hopes in the coming weeks trade-wise for the Cats:

- Don't trade: DJ, Hendo, UPS, T2
- Do trade: everyone else if it nets us either talented youth, solid draft picks, salary cap relief.

I think you have to sell high and bury the personal connections with players (i.e - Wallace, Jax) in order to get the most out of your team. The Patriots (I hate them) do this better than any organization in sports with their eye on the future just as much as the present. Diaw's value will not be higher than it is right now and once Wallace is healthy and in Silas' system for a few games, his value will be back to where it was in '09-'10. Our window for winning is very short-term and though we could slide into the playoffs as a 7 or 8, we're a one and done team for the next few years with this current roster. Wallace has done tremendous things for this team and city, but in almost 7 years, what more is he going to bring this team that he hasn't already. He is a complimentary player on every other team, and a 3rd option on the elite teams. If we are no more than a fringe playoff/lottery team for the next few seasons, why not sell high on Wallace? Yes it would hurt immensely, but it's about the team, not the player. Outside of last year's playoff run, we've watched 3-4 seasons of barely watchable basketball and we need a new blueprint. I like what DJ could offer. I like what Silas can offer. I like what T2 brings. I'd like to see if Gerald and UPS can turn into solid starters and be a part of our new core. Say no to the Baron Davis' and Yao Ming's. I've watched some pretty shitty ball for 1/3 of the season and combined with the other Charlotte sports franchise, I could bare with 2/3 of a season that sucks if it means that we free ourselves of crappy contracts, gets some youth with upside in here (Taj Gibson, OJ Mayo, Jason Thompson, etc.), and puts us in position to draft a future cornerstone in the top 5 of the draft. I'm not advocating tanking, but cleaning house, and letting the balls bounce where they may. I'd rather watch hungry players in a fun system that are working on improving and happy to be here than what I've seen this season.

/end rant
Only thing i disagree with is Diaw will probably be worth more next year with his 9 millie expiring

[cls77]

Keep the team as it is right now. Give the guys we have a chance to play under a new coach with a new system and weed out the players who don't adapt. Besides, giving bench guys like Carroll and Diop extended minutes will only elevate their trade value.

[bbh2020]

from hoopsworld:

Don't expect the Orlando Magic to trade Jason Richardson for Boris Diaw. While there has been some talk of the Charlotte Bobcats offering Diaw for Richardson's expiring contract, sources close to the Magic insist that Richardson was acquired to play a role in Orlando and help the team win. Trading him for a reserve center simply doesn't make sense for the Magic. Expect one of the players currently out of the rotation - such as Chris Duhon or Quentin Richardson – or even J.J. Redick to be moved before Richardson if the right deal for a big comes along. The Magic also hold a hefty Traded Player Exception worth more than $6 million. HoopsWorld

[ammofan]

from hoopsworld:

Don't expect the Orlando Magic to trade Jason Richardson for Boris Diaw. While there has been some talk of the Charlotte Bobcats offering Diaw for Richardson's expiring contract, sources close to the Magic insist that Richardson was acquired to play a role in Orlando and help the team win. Trading him for a reserve center simply doesn't make sense for the Magic. Expect one of the players currently out of the rotation - such as Chris Duhon or Quentin Richardson – or even J.J. Redick to be moved before Richardson if the right deal for a big comes along. The Magic also hold a hefty Traded Player Exception worth more than $6 million. HoopsWorld

I kinda expected that......But still, I just want Diaw gone, period.

[mrtarheel]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-spt-1229-around-town--20101228,0,3405435.column

Could this be that we end up netting Mayo. The Grizz tried to get Brewer in the offseason and it is stated that they want Taj Gibson, could it be a deal like

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=23dgnvv

Mj had the hard for JJohnson and we get a starting sg in the deal (young). This saves 2mil and we could then do something like
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=36u7tln

Maybe being that Mayo is only 6'4" he would have to be paired with a big guard and that would make the trade for B. Davis better and bring in DeAndre Jordan.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-spt-1229-around-town--20101228,0,3405435.column

Could this be that we end up netting Mayo. The Grizz tried to get Brewer in the offseason and it is stated that they want Taj Gibson, could it be a deal like

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=23dgnvv

Mj had the hard for JJohnson and we get a starting sg in the deal (young). This saves 2mil and we could then do something like
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=36u7tln

Maybe being that Mayo is only 6'4" he would have to be paired with a big guard and that would make the trade for B. Davis better and bring in DeAndre Jordan.I myself like your thinking and would be fine with such a scenario.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

I myself like your thinking and would be fine with such a scenario.The Magic are contemplating trading for a big to play behind Dwight Howard but tonight I watched one of the players they picked up in the trade named Earl Clark play pretty damned good behind Dwight Howard. As Dwight sat with four fouls midway through the fourth quarter Earl Clark played his ass off and showed good defensive skills and the ability to shoot outside from a fairly deep range. He scored like 12 points in just under 19 minutes on 6-10 shooting. His contributions were big for the team and if this guy has more like that in upcoming games they may not need to make a move. It is only one game against weak competition but none the less he could be a good fill in for Dwight when needed.

Cleveland may be a broken down team when we play them tomorrow night. They went toe to toe with the Magic for most of the game but the last eight to ten minutes Orlando went 3 point crazy and the Cavs were overwhelmed. I felt for them. Based on the way the Cavs game went last night against Orlando I am predicting a tired and heart broke team playing us tomorrow in Charlotte. I hope they are because if they look as good against us as they did Orlando I could see them winning.

[DY_nasty]

Earl Clark isn't a solution... that may have been his first good showing since he's been in the league.

[TheBeagle]

from hoopsworld:

Don't expect the Orlando Magic to trade Jason Richardson for Boris Diaw. While there has been some talk of the Charlotte Bobcats offering Diaw for Richardson's expiring contract, sources close to the Magic insist that Richardson was acquired to play a role in Orlando and help the team win. Trading him for a reserve center simply doesn't make sense for the Magic. Expect one of the players currently out of the rotation - such as Chris Duhon or Quentin Richardson – or even J.J. Redick to be moved before Richardson if the right deal for a big comes along. The Magic also hold a hefty Traded Player Exception worth more than $6 million. HoopsWorld Good. As exciting as it was to have Jrich for a year and a month, give me the much more complete Boris any day. He can actually...get this...defend his position; and...get this...run an offense. If we did a JRich for Boris straight up, I'd begin using spectre's avatar.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

Earl Clark isn't a solution... that may have been his first good showing since he's been in the league.He is a solution if he shows consisrtency over the next three or four games.

I don't care one way or the other because I doubt Orlando gives us a fair trade in regards to parting from one of our bigs. If they were to be fair that would be nice but I doubt it. They can afford to trade a player like JJ at this time because they are a pretty deep team but then again who knows. As far as getting J Rich I don't see why that would bother anyone. He is an expiring and it is not like we would be stuck with him long term. However I think the J Rich speculation is just that and I doubt the Magic want to part from him very badly. He is playing well for them early and if that continues they most likely do not part from him. The Magic actually play solid defense. They may not be among the leaders but with the shooting they have they don't need to be. They just play good defensively and their scoring will kill a lot of teams. The Magic are a work in progress but they are playing better than they had before the trade at this early stage and I doubt they need to make any major trades. If a trade for JJ could be made I am sure that they could afford to part from him for a solid big. I would love to have JJ but not at the expense of any of our 5's being that we can't afford to do so. If we had another trade lined up for a starting caliber 5 maybe then but otherwise no. Whatever the deal I can see our front office making a trade or two before the deadline. If we do good but show a need to improve some weaknesses or get better I think a trade could still be made. If we suck we for sure will make a trade or two.

[Chef]

I would love to have JJ but not at the expense of any of our 5's being that we can't afford to do so. .

they could take their pick of 2 of our 3 shit ass centers for all i care. this is a move for the future and will be the first time this franchise has ever done something like that. its not like we couldn't plug a d league center in and get about the same production.

[polarcat]

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/70829/20101229/wizards_gauging_interest_in_mcgee_blatche/

Now the Wiz are putting feelers out for McGee as well as Blatche. Obviously, Blatche is a head case, but I would be quite happy with McGee in the middle. I wonder what it would take on our end?

[Plowright]

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/70832/20101229/camby_wants_to_stay_in_portland/

I guess we found the problem with trading for Camby... he said he would retire!

[Weezy21]

Fred Mitchell, Chicago Tribune: “NBA sources tell us the Bulls are one of the most aggressive teams in the NBA trade market as they try to find a scoring guard who is a good fit with All-Star point Derrick Rose. USC coach Kevin O’Neill, a longtime college head coach and NBA assistant has experience with Stephen Jackson and O.J. Mayo, both of whom reportedly on the Bulls radar. ‘Jackson is a better shooter and probably is a better fit alongside Rose,’ O’Neill said. ‘Mayo is more of a slasher and wants the ball in his hands to take it to the basket, which takes the ball out of Rose’s hands. (That’s why) Jackson is probably a better complement to Rose.’”

http://nba-point-forward.si.com/2010/12/29/the-opening-tip-wednesday-dec-29th/

not that we didnt already know the bulls might want him...just adding a little more as to why they might prefer jax over mayo...please give me Taj and I'll be happy

[BlockParty]

Fred Mitchell, Chicago Tribune: “ ‘Jackson is a better shooter and probably is a better fit alongside Rose,’ O’Neill said. ‘Mayo is more of a slasher and wants the ball in his hands to take it to the basket, which takes the ball out of Rose’s hands. (That’s why) Jackson is probably a better complement to Rose.’”



And Jack's 9 turnovers Monday night helped reinforce why it's better not to have the ball in his hands

[BobCatsFanInTx]

I know DJ seems to have a lot of potential but Orlando now has two starting caliber PG's and at some point that may prove to be an issue. If we could get Jameer Nelson from the Magic and it required sending DJ to be their backup do we even dare to do that? I like the "game" DJ had against Detroit but if he is not consistently that good would it not be a good idea to part from him for an All Star caliber PG? I am not really sure how I feel about this but felt I should see what you all thought.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

they could take their pick of 2 of our 3 shit ass centers for all i care. this is a move for the future and will be the first time this franchise has ever done something like that. its not like we couldn't plug a d league center in and get about the same production.I would not call Nazr a D League Center and in all actuality he would be a nice fit in Orlando on limited minutes behind Superman.

If we are to trade a C like Nazr than I for sure don't want pure garbage in return. I feel that Nazr is worth more than pure garbage. Maybe their is a D Leaguer out there that could fill one of our Centers shoes but I would rather not have to go that route. Either we get a player who can contribute to our team in a trade and we have an option that makes a difference at the C postition or forget about trading our Centers. The whole idea is to improve our Center position and not get even weaker by subtraction.

[Weezy21]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2f2qo9y

Nelson & Ryan Anderson for Diaw & DJ

[Chef]

I would not call Nazr a D League Center and in all actuality he would be a nice fit in Orlando on limited minutes behind Superman.

If we are to trade a C like Nazr than I for sure don't want pure garbage in return. I feel that Nazr is worth more than pure garbage. Maybe their is a D Leaguer out there that could fill one of our Centers shoes but I would rather not have to go that route. Either we get a player who can contribute to our team in a trade and we have an option that makes a difference at the C postition or forget about trading our Centers. The whole idea is to improve our Center position and not get even weaker by subtraction.

as i have said before if they want nazr it costs them jj. if not let them look elsewhere for an expiring center who can come off the bench and score. with pryz hurt, that leaves just nazr. they are already saying it would probably be jj just due to the j-rich, arenas log jam.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

as i have said before if they want nazr it costs them jj. if not let them look elsewhere for an expiring center who can come off the bench and score. with pryz hurt, that leaves just nazr. they are already saying it would probably be jj just due to the j-rich, arenas log jam.Which is what I am hoping for. Still it would be nice to have a known second trade to improve us at the 5.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2f2qo9y

Nelson & Ryan Anderson for Diaw & DJAddition by substraction but it would work. A pg like Jameer Nelson would be a nice addition and we would not be hurt that bad at the 4 that it would offset the trade for me. I would do this. Still I would have to see how DJ does in the next half dozen games before I could see us trading him. So far we all see him as a quality backup but he has been hindered quite a bit by the way Larry Brown coached him. I really want to see what he can do now that we have a new head coach and coaching staff.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

I know people have brought up getting JaVale McGee in a trade and I tried as many scenarios as I could and I just don't see the Wizards trading with us for him. However since they have a lot of Centers I thought maybe they would be fine taking a step back at the position to go the Center by committee route. Not likely but this trade is the only way I could see us getting JaVale. http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=26qf23p

[spectre]

Seven Teams And Counting Covet Flynn - Hoopsworld (http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=18320)



Speaking of Felton, his former team, the Charlotte Bobcats, are ramping up their efforts to improve their roster, and Flynn is a player they covet as a back-up to DJ Augustin. As much as everyone would love to see Shaun Livingston regain his pre-injury form, that doesn't appear to be likely, hence Charlotte's interest in a more productive back-up to Augustin.

[Black]

DJ and Flynn.

http://i775.photobucket.com/albums/yy40/azzezino/drooling_homer.png

[polarcat]

As a 'Cuse fan and the potential that Flynn posesses, I would love to acquire him. We would have the smallest pg combo, but man, we would be fun to watch. It's weird seeing players like Mayo, Flynn, McGee, and Thompson out there as trade bait and the prices to acquire these players are not very high from what I've seen.

[DY_nasty]

Flynn... he's a letdown. But he's still young but WOW. He is a real letdown...

[Proudiddy]

When did Flynn become available? I thought he was having a great rookie year and then had an injury or something like that... I could be VERY wrong though b/c I don't exactly read Minny papers, lol.

[ammofan]

How is Flynn on the trading block? I thought he had an exceptional rookie year. Can you imagine him on this team? That would be sooooooo sick! Maybe we can convince kahn to send Love our way also for Jack? :D

[polarcat]

When did Flynn become available? I thought he was having a great rookie year and then had an injury or something like that... I could be VERY wrong though b/c I don't exactly read Minny papers, lol.

I was just as surprised as you, but I think Rubio is rumored to be coming over soon, so maybe they're trying to clear out their logjam at pg. As for the injury, it was a hip injury and he did some D-league play earlier this month, and has played a handful of games thus far since the middle of December as he's still on the mend. Again, would loooooooove to have Flynn here.

[G Wuh Wuh Wuh Wallace]

Flynn would be great. Crash has become expendable, not so sure about Jax.

[Black]

I know it's only been two games against pretty bad opponents, but Melo in place of Wallace....

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww221/Slapaho2009/lordofthefiles_homer-drool.gif

[ammofan]

Jax in this new offense is FIRE. Gerald is a shell of All Star Gerald. If we could replace Gerald with melo, this team would not only make the Playoffs, but go a round or two in the Playoffs.

DJ
Jack
Melo
Tyrus
Nene?

[The Prodigy]

Why is everyone hating on Gerald already? This was his first game with Silas and he wasnt 100%. Give him a few days at least before declaring him a shell of himself.

[Black]

Why is everyone hating on Gerald already? This was his first game with Silas and he wasnt 100%. Give him a few days at least before declaring him a shell of himself.

It's not hating on Gerald, it's applying rumors. There are several rumors about us moving him, and rumors of us trading for Melo without an extension. If we traded for Melo, Wallace would be the centerpiece of the deal.

[SWedd523]

This was Crash's first game back since being injured so playing subpar is to be expected. I was surprised at how bouncy he looked out there.

[DY_nasty]

This was Crash's first game back since being injured so playing subpar is to be expected. I was surprised at how bouncy he looked out there.
Yeah, the rest did him good.

He usually doesn't come back from injuries all that fast anyways... But would I trade him for Matthews? All day.