Rank each player's value from 1-12

[dnbman]

Make a list of 1 to 12, with one being the highest. Rank the players based on value to the team. Feel free to explain your decision process along the way. Keep in mind, you may value a player highly because of trade value if you like.

13-15 will be "Those not worth ranking." Sorry for the confusion.

[The Prodigy]

Which 3 players are we not including on the list?

[dnbman]

Which 3 players are we not including on the list?

13-15 will be "Those not worth ranking." Sorry for the confusion.

[SWedd523]

Trade value and team value are different things in my book so I'd have separate lists. I'll look at the roster in a few and put my values up

[BlockParty]

Make a list of 1 to 12, with one being the highest. Rank the players based on value to the team. Feel free to explain your decision process along the way. Keep in mind, you may value a player highly because of trade value if you like.

13-15 will be "Those not worth ranking." Sorry for the confusion.

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If you can't read the picture, it's this link: http://hoopshype.com/salaries/charlotte.htm

I have to take what we pay them into consideration because a new bentley for $20k is more valuable than a new honda for $20k, which should push the players on their rookie contracts higher, given the same or similar production.

1. DJ Paid $2.5M but one of our top 4 players in most games
2. Diaw He is able to guard most people at 3 different positions, and has shown flexibility to adapt to most situations (this is also the reason the TTime probably hasn't seen more playing time, and Boris hasn't be traded~he's that valuable to us).
3. GW Probably most valuable trading piece, also the 'face' of our team from the fans perspective
4. Jackson-less trade value than DJ, Boris or GW
5. Nazr-expiring contract is big plus, and he's our only big with back-to-the basket moves
6. TTime-needs more minutes to justify the contract (or justify him being over paid)
7. McGuire-Hustle galore at a low price, but needs some coaching to realize he's not a jump shooter
8. UPS-He needs to show the ability to consistent make a 15 ft jumper ala Udonis Haslem
9. Kwame-takes up an amazing amount of space, and cheap in relative terms, put a fish out of water in this offense
10. Hendo-Huge upside because of rookie contract, but Jack has to be traded for a Big for it to be realized
11. Livingston $3.5M paid and I'm just waiting for the knee to crumble (though I love the potential)
12. Matt Carroll His production may increase if he continues to see minutes (in the new offense scoring helps)


13-15 Najera, Diop and Collins-production versus amount paid does not make sense (and the potential doesn't seem to change, even with Diop's blocks or rebounding ability).

[K1NGofAKR0N]

1. dj
2 wallace
3. Jax
4. Tyrus
5. boris
6. nazr
7. ups
8 livingston
9. henderson
10. dominic
11 matt carroll
12. kwame

[dnbman]

Trade value and team value are different things in my book so I'd have separate lists. I'll look at the roster in a few and put my values up

I see your point, but I'm thinking more of an overall value, considering both. Feel free to do it however you like though!

[Chef]

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If you can't read the picture, it's this link: http://hoopshype.com/salaries/charlotte.htm

I have to take what we pay them into consideration because a new bentley for $20k is more valuable than a new honda for $20k, which should push the players on their rookie contracts higher, given the same or similar production.

1. DJ Paid $2.5M but one of our top 4 players in most games
2. Diaw He is able to guard most people at 3 different positions, and has shown flexibility to adapt to most situations (this is also the reason the TTime probably hasn't seen more playing time, and Boris hasn't be traded~he's that valuable to us).
3. GW Probably most valuable trading piece, also the 'face' of our team from the fans perspective
4. Jackson-less trade value than DJ, Boris or GW
5. Nazr-expiring contract is big plus, and he's our only big with back-to-the basket moves
6. TTime-needs more minutes to justify the contract (or justify him being over paid)
7. McGuire-Hustle galore at a low price, but needs some coaching to realize he's not a jump shooter
8. UPS-He needs to show the ability to consistent make a 15 ft jumper ala Udonis Haslem
9. Kwame-takes up an amazing amount of space, and cheap in relative terms, put a fish out of water in this offense
10. Hendo-Huge upside because of rookie contract, but Jack has to be traded for a Big for it to be realized
11. Livingston $3.5M paid and I'm just waiting for the knee to crumble (though I love the potential)
12. Matt Carroll His production may increase if he continues to see minutes (in the new offense scoring helps)


13-15 Najera, Diop and Collins-production versus amount paid does not make sense (and the potential doesn't seem to change, even with Diop's blocks or rebounding ability).

this seems about right to me. i would switch livingston with kwame. if mcguire can make a 15 footer at 40% he would move up to nazr's level

[teej]

I'm going to do this as if I was an opposing GM looking to trade for them. And I'm going in reverse order:

13-15: Carroll, Diop, Sherron
12: Najera
11: Henderson
10: Kwame
9: McGuire
8: UPS
7: Liv
6: Crash
5: Diaw
4: Jack
3: Nazr
2: Tyrus
1: DJ

[Chef]

I'm going to do this as if I was an opposing GM looking to trade for them. And I'm going in reverse order:

13-15: Carroll, Diop, Sherron
12: Najera
11: Henderson
10: Kwame
9: McGuire
8: UPS
7: Liv
6: Crash
5: Diaw
4: Jack
3: Nazr
2: Tyrus
1: DJ

obviously based on my trade thread posts, i would move tyrus way back. i would move it to:
dj, naz, crash, jax, diaw, tyrus...

[Ghost Kat]

Kwame would be a ok back up to a name brand or atleast good center. Diop is ranked to low. Dont hate on the shot blocking Zombie jr. Bionic Knee Livingston probably has more value then we think. Alot of teams needs a cheap tall back up PG. Nazr is old, Diaw is fat. I still hate them.

[Boomer]

I'm going to do this as if I was an opposing GM looking to trade for them. And I'm going in reverse order:

13-15: Carroll, Diop, Sherron
12: Najera
11: Henderson
10: Kwame
9: McGuire
8: UPS
7: Liv
6: Crash
5: Diaw
4: Jack
3: Nazr
2: Tyrus
1: DJ

Just curious, why would you rather have Nazr than Crash if you were an opposing GM?

[Plowright]

I decided to go adn do all 15, why not!!!

1=Stephan Jackson: As of right now ALL our offense runs through Jack. Without him we would ned to basically go through training camp again. He has game & trade value
2=Tyrus Thomas: Tyrus's trade value is porbably not that high due to his lack of minutes meaning smaller numbers + attitude. BEST YOUNG PROSPECT FOR DEVELOPMENT!
3=DJ Agustine: Great contract, intangibles like 3 point shooting and ft shooting. Young prospect, shown he is a capable NBA player. Trading Stock going up every day as of now
4=Gerald Wallace: An all star on a good contract, defensive first team last year. Averages large rebounding numbers and scores. Age/CRASHING into things catching up with him.
5=Nazr Mohammed: our only big with any offensive skill, nice expring contract. A good pro, has game and trade value
6=Boris Diaw: Not a great contract, very versatile can play ANY position. numbers dont show his play always, can stretch the floor with 3 point shooting, expendable due to TT
7=Gerald Henderson:athletic 2 guard, nice contract not proven anything perhaps why he has trade value as he hasnt shown he is a bust. Shown he has highlight reels in him!
8=Shaun Livingston: Our only other reliable pg. Almost NO trade value due to injury history/contract. Game value is good as long as he stays healthy, 6ft 7inc pg says it all
9=Dominic Mcguire: Good defender, versatile, nice cheap low risk contract, no trade value.
10=Derrick Brown: Shown he can dunk & hustle, what else? cheap rookie contract, low risk, may ask for larger $ end of this year. young prospect, unkown by teams lowers value
11=Kwame Brown: Good defender, not much trade value due to history. No offensive skills. Cant run the floor very well
12=Sherron Collins: Young prospect, not much else to say did ok-good in his stint in the D league. Nothing mind blowing, if he gets fitter could be a good pick up
13=Desegana Diop: Horrible contract, has shown he can contribute recently by rebounding and block/altering shots under Silas, moved ahead of Kwame. Who would trade for him...
14=Matt Caroll: Nasty contract, clever player can shoot, but isnt that good in all honesty. Not a great defender. Good guy tho!
15=Eduardo Najera: Cant shoot, avergae defender. Just a gritty guy on a nasty contract. We have enough of those already

[Chef]

Just curious, why would you rather have Nazr than Crash if you were an opposing GM?

playoff ready expiring offensively capable big man very desirable to any contender.

[teej]

playoff ready expiring offensively capable big man very desirable to any contender.

This. Nazr has already won a ring and is a terrific locker room guy who never complains, and he's an expiring contract.

Crash has 2 years (+ a player option) left on his deal and is nowhere near the level he was last year. Do not want unless I'm getting rid of a worse contract, which won't happen because he means more the charlotte than he does the team.