What was the refs thinking

[dav7z]

http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2011/01/what-were-these-refs-thinking.html


The NBA really needs to make refs accountable some kind of way
What could be done?

[BlockParty]

The first call was total BS, 1000 times out of 1000 times when the ball is knocked out of a persons hand and the ball follows the path of the defenders swat gives the ball back to the offense.

The second call, where the block under the basket occured, the ref's contention was the ball left the defenders hand and hit the baseline on the first bounce, the attempted save after the fact was a mute point.

I hope the Bobcats appeal the overturned call, it didn't change the outcome of the game, but only because of Hendo's defense and Rose's missed shot.

[dav7z]

I think both calls was BS . The tec was BS too . How long can some one lay on your hurting ankle without you trying to get them off. Something need to be done . Salis made a statement [BAD teams get no calls]. All teams should be treated equal. Your record should not come into play.

[Chef]

i don't agree with bonnell as usual. hey bonnell, it's ok to say that gerald should not have been assessed a tech and not be a homer. brewer, whether he knew it or not, was laying across gerald's twisted foot and was in no hurry to get up. gerald pushed him alot more than he kicked him to get him off his foot. the ref was right to blow the whistle and assess a tech, but again, should have reviewed the play saw what happened and taken the tech back. explain to all involved why and moved on.

[TheBeagle]

I think both calls was BS . The tec was BS too . How long can some one lay on your hurting ankle without you trying to get them off. Something need to be done . Salis made a statement [BAD teams get no calls]. All teams should be treated equal. Your record should not come into play. Agree on all fronts, dav. Of course if you rate calls, the video review was the absolute worst. I've got to think that was the worst overturn call since replay has been initiated in the NBA. Like I wrote in the game thread, Stern should fine, suspend that fucker Malloy for that decision. The fact that the play was reviewed in the first place was absurd: just because a house full of Bulls fans and a couple Bulls players point their way, you're gonna review a straightforward call? Yeah, because Bulls players and fans want the ball back, there's no objectivity there is there? (rolleyes) Also, like others've said, why not use the same logic used on the inbounds play to that on the Tyrus block? That was more of a review-worthy play anyway. Lastly, GW didn't even kick the bum; he shoved him off with his foot; it may seem to just be semantics, but there's a big difference between using the soles of your shoes and the toes of them.

Paul's comments were great post game. He'll probably be fined for saying it, but there's a whole lot of truth there, as we've seen these kinda calls (maybe not as bad as the review) going on 7 years.

[dav7z]

Agree on all fronts, dav. Of course if you rate calls, the video review was the absolute worst. I've got to think that was the worst overturn call since replay has been initiated in the NBA. Like I wrote in the game thread, Stern should fine, suspend that fucker Malloy for that decision. The fact that the play was reviewed in the first place was absurd: just because a house full of Bulls fans and a couple Bulls players point their way, you're gonna review a straightforward call? Yeah, because Bulls players and fans want the ball back, there's no objectivity there is there? (rolleyes) Also, like others've said, why not use the same logic used on the inbounds play to that on the Tyrus block? That was more of a review-worthy play anyway. Lastly, GW didn't even kick the bum; he shoved him off with his foot; it may seem to just be semantics, but there's a big difference between using the soles of your shoes and the toes of them.

Paul's comments were great post game. He'll probably be fined for saying it, but there's a whole lot of truth there, as we've seen these kinda calls (maybe not as bad as the review) going on 7 years.

Great post , It should be some way some how refs are held accountable for thair actions. Refs can and do determine the outcome of most games . I think thair is some major betting going on by the refs. Tons of money changing hands as far as point spreads and who wins. Some times i even think Stern might have his hands in the pot.

[Demon DeaCat]

Yeah, the fix had to be on for that one. Someone's legs definitely got broken after that game. I've always found it odd that in sports, everyone has to be accountable for their actions except the refs/officials. If a coach or a player makes a mistake, they've got to stand in front of a mic and a tv camera and explain to the world how and why they messed up. Even 18 year old college kids don't get a free pass but for some reason a grown man can blow a call that determines the outcome of a game or even a championship and they get to just run off the floor because they wear a black and white shirt. I don't get why they are allowed to hide behind the shield. Granted, it's a tough job, but so is coaching and playing. No one expects them to get it right every time, but when they get it wrong, they should have to answer for it. The refs should be made available to the media after games just as players and coaches are.

[BlockParty]

Yeah, I had a lot of respect for the baseball ump that screwed the pooch on the perfect game call last season. He was a man, apologized, was public and sincere about it.

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[Chef]

Yeah, I had a lot of respect for the baseball ump that screwed the pooch on the perfect game call last season. He was a man, apologized, was public and sincere about it.

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that was one of the better sports moments last year, both the ref's actions after the game as well as the pitcher's.

[BIGCatBobcat]

Cats still won, as they say...the ball don't lie (do not go to that blog). The NBA has had a problem with refs way before Donaghy, it's subjective and faster paced than any other sport. As I've said before, basketball is one of, if not, the only game where the game is played in 3 dimmensions. There are 3 refs and most of the time the other two have no idea what the third is doing. It's tough, yeah but would it kill them to get more unbiased eyes on games? A replay official, three guys on the court and then maybe bring in 4 guys to sit in the corners like line judges in tennis (that's a bit excessive but it might be worth it). It goes both ways, DJ got away with a huge travel early and the bulls fans (according to somebody in the chat) were in an uproar over at some board. Another issue, and I brought this up in the chat, the league has barely had any new officiating blood in years. There are many good ref stories over the years from all sports and I can remember the old timers saying on different occasions that if you know their names, they aren't doing their job correctly. These old guys, and Donaghy called them out in his attempted book, have been at it for years and they do have some shady dealings and everyone in the game knows how it works with these guys. Fresh guys who appreciate the game and will call a travel on Kobe are what are needed in addition to more eyes and better technology.

But then again, we're trying to prevent a lock out and keep the labor peace so we can watch games next year....so maybe this is a reform to be undertaken at a future date.

[Chef]

Cats still won, as they say...the ball don't lie (do not go to that blog). The NBA has had a problem with refs way before Donaghy, it's subjective and faster paced than any other sport. As I've said before, basketball is one of, if not, the only game where the game is played in 3 dimmensions. There are 3 refs and most of the time the other two have no idea what the third is doing. It's tough, yeah but would it kill them to get more unbiased eyes on games? A replay official, three guys on the court and then maybe bring in 4 guys to sit in the corners like line judges in tennis (that's a bit excessive but it might be worth it). It goes both ways, DJ got away with a huge travel early and the bulls fans (according to somebody in the chat) were in an uproar over at some board. Another issue, and I brought this up in the chat, the league has barely had any new officiating blood in years. There are many good ref stories over the years from all sports and I can remember the old timers saying on different occasions that if you know their names, they aren't doing their job correctly. These old guys, and Donaghy called them out in his attempted book, have been at it for years and they do have some shady dealings and everyone in the game knows how it works with these guys. Fresh guys who appreciate the game and will call a travel on Kobe are what are needed in addition to more eyes and better technology.

But then again, we're trying to prevent a lock out and keep the labor peace so we can watch games next year....so maybe this is a reform to be undertaken at a future date.

you make some good points about extra refs. i have ref'ed IM basketball which is (as we all know) a joke. keeping up with all the walks and double dribbles is hard enough. but, i am in 100% agreement with you, pay two refs to sit at opposite corners and watch the baseline nearest them and the sideline they are on. if you really want to do it right put two more at the other corners or half court. their only jobs are calling all out of bounds calls. the in-game refs call all player fouls and travels/violations. i would only want to rely on replay as it is now , it slows the action too much if they are always checking video.

[davcbow]

you make some good points about extra refs. i have ref'ed IM basketball which is (as we all know) a joke. keeping up with all the walks and double dribbles is hard enough. but, i am in 100% agreement with you, pay two refs to sit at opposite corners and watch the baseline nearest them and the sideline they are on. if you really want to do it right put two more at the other corners or half court. their only jobs are calling all out of bounds calls. the in-game refs call all player fouls and travels/violations. i would only want to rely on replay as it is now , it slows the action too much if they are always checking video.

Too bad they dont have an on the fly type video replay that wouldnt take 5 -10 minutes to go through.... That could be another ref to just sit there and watch anything questionable on the replay machine... :)