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WAM9

01-25-2011, 10:37 AM

I decided to start a new thread for this because it seems to be such a huge discussion in almost every thread. Almost every question or trade proposal or whatever turns into blow it up.

I am 100% against "blowing it up".

We are currently constructed well enough to make the playoffs and I do feel like there will be some type of trade before the deadline. In our starting 5, Boris is playing pretty well. Kwame and DJ are playing excellent, especially considering the questions about them in the past. Jack is in a slump and ultimately has got to shoot better, but I think he will. And I think Gerald will find his way back to playing like the Crash we all know and love.

The bench isn't deep but Tyrus's loss is only temporary and Hendo and Livingston are playing well. Nazr is better off the bench. Overall, our rotation only needs to be about 8-9 players deep and we have that.

There has been lots of griping about getting swept by Orlando last year and that some of you would rather "blow it up" and rebuild. Not me. Most teams need to make the playoffs a few times and take baby steps in the process before they can make serious runs. IMO, our next goal should be going back to the playoffs and getting our first win there. That would be a step in itself and would show that we are a team that expects to make the playoffs each year and has done so multiple times. This in itself would go a long way towards the respect around the league we are all looking for.

Look at the seeding. Getting the 6th seed isn't out of the question. That might very well match us up with Chicago in the first round. Anyone think we can't beat them? I actually think we could take a series from them.

Miami and Boston are much tougher match ups but winning a game against either of them isn't out of the question. Orlando swept us last year but we did have a great game plan against Dwight and I think most of our guys would love to have another chance at them.

Well, there it is. Again, I am 100% against blowing it up. Your thoughts?

anton273

01-25-2011, 11:07 AM

I like what your saying here. If jax and wallace pulled their finger out we would actually be a top 8 team in this conference! DJ,Diaw and K.Brown are playing above expectations at the moment whereas the other 2 aren't.

Jax average of 18ppg this season isnt that hard to replace if we trade him at the deadline..DJ is averaging 18ppg in janurary and if he makes more then 20 points tonight this will be his first back-to-back-to-back 20+ points in a game. Also with Henderson set to get more playing time im sure his average points will increase.

I know i want to see a trade happen but i doubt we will get something that will excite everyone.

Im agreeing with you, i think we should try get cover for tyrus and make that playoff push and not blow this team just yet!

dav7z

01-25-2011, 11:21 AM

Chef

01-25-2011, 11:39 AM

ka boooooom!

anton273

01-25-2011, 11:52 AM

Ive been to charlotte once for 4 days and saw them play! If i lived there and called myself a fan id be at every game!

I dont wanna see a total disbandment of this team just now!

Personally ill still be following, watching the games and wearing the jerseys!

BigMike

01-25-2011, 12:16 PM

This graf says it all . Its past time to blow this team up.
1st we have the worst road attendance in the league. Meaning nobody is instrested in watching the Bobcats play.
2nd We rank 22nd in the league in home attendance . That means we have a decent fan bace . For such a bad product . If you compare the two toghter . Basicly we have a team no other citys care to see . So its not our fan base its the product. This attendance graf should help.
http://espn.go.com/nba/attendance
This graf proves blowing the team up and starting fresh could only help our over all numbers.

So the Hawks should blow it up and start over to Dav? Their over all average is below ours.

2011 Attendance
RK TEAM Home GMS TOTAL AVG PCT Road GMS AVG PCT Overall GMS AVG PCT
26 Bobcats 23 355,685 15,464 81.1 19 15,405 79.5 42 15,437 80.3
27 Hawks 21 297,630 14,172 75.7 24 16,440 86.2 45 15,382 81.3

BigMike

01-25-2011, 12:19 PM

I decided to start a new thread for this because it seems to be such a huge discussion in almost every thread. Almost every question or trade proposal or whatever turns into blow it up.

I would like to point out that most of that "discussion" is actually the same few people saying the same thing over and over and over and over. Start looking at names when you read posts and you will see what i mean.

dav7z

01-25-2011, 12:27 PM

So the Hawks should blow it up and start over to Dav? Their over all average is below ours.

2011 Attendance
RK TEAM Home GMS TOTAL AVG PCT Road GMS AVG PCT Overall GMS AVG PCT
26 Bobcats 23 355,685 15,464 81.1 19 15,405 79.5 42 15,437 80.3
27 Hawks 21 297,630 14,172 75.7 24 16,440 86.2 45 15,382 81.3

Mike you just helped prove my point . The Hawks home fan base sucks with a decent product. Proving its not our home fan base thets the problem . Its our product .Notice the Hawks draw a 1000 more fans on the road than we do . They bring in a better product . As we just have a stronger fan base at home. With a bad product. This proves if we had Atlantas product we would be way up in attendance.

Notice our away attendance is the WORST in the league. That should be a sure sign our product sucks.

BigMike

01-25-2011, 01:50 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HynODH-P5Sc

Boomer

01-25-2011, 02:20 PM

I'm a fan of high lottery picks because that's the only way we're going to win a Championship, by getting a franchise player through the draft because we're not getting one in free agency. YOu can believe otherwise but as long as your belief is followed by the front office we will continue to tread water in the mediocre ocean.

BUT it's too late to tank so we might as well continue on course for the season....who is excited about an 8th (possibly even 7th!) seed and a first round sweep?!?!?!?!

ammofan

01-25-2011, 02:41 PM

BUT it's too late to tank so we might as well continue on course for the season....who is excited about an 8th (possibly even 7th!) seed and a first round sweep?!?!?!?!

I am.....Playoffs are fun. If you get into the Playoffs, its a new season. Everyone starts 0-0. No real fan goes into a Playoff series expecting a team to lose. I would much rather have a 7th or 8th seed in the Playoffs than a #10 pick in the draft.

The Panthers had a terrible year and blew it up after last year and they made alot of fans mad. Look how it workrked out for the Panthers....we got the #1 pick but Luck didnt come out.

Tanking/Blowing it up is no way to go if you are a team who struggles with attendance and money!

DY_nasty

01-25-2011, 03:45 PM

Pretty sure the other time the Panthers sucked, they got Peppers - but enough of the football talk.

6-8 seed is Boston, Orlando, or Miami - all hilariously one-sided beatdowns. sweeps woo-hoo. only hope of winning a single game would be somehow get back the 5 seed over new york (not gonna happen) and give Chicago issues (and still ultimately lose).

CatNation

01-25-2011, 03:55 PM

the draft is weak as hell, might as well trudge on. Theres so many inconsistent teams around nows its no guarantee we even help our draft position by blowing it up now, especially with how much Jack and Crash are pulling us down atm.

WAM9

01-25-2011, 04:11 PM

I would much rather make the playoffs and lose than not make the playoffs any day of the week. Also, matching up against Chicago is certainly a possibility and I think we could actually beat them in a series. Would you still say we should blow it up if we can only win 1 playoff series? I think not.

I hear people talk about buts in seats which translates to money...then turn around and say we should tank which would turn into even less buts in seats and less money.

Blowing it up would be a 3-5 year experiment with a couple of years of being one of the worst teams in the league. I don't want that. Maybe we get a #1 draft pick and it turns out to be Oden or Bogut. Getting a high draft pick is no guarantee of a franchise player.

I know we haven't had success with top flight free agents so far but have we ever been the team that made the playoffs and also had free agent money the following off season? That seems like a winning combination to me.

nazsquad

01-25-2011, 04:24 PM

We are playing good basketball right now (yes, second half vs. Hawks was bad). One trade could really shake some things up and result and even more energy for a second half season run. 6th place isnt out of the question. Even if we finish 7th we can get a favorable matchup. Now really isnt the time to blow up the team.

Hope for the playoffs and get renewed excitement for the team. We can push Chicago to a seven game series as well. Don't give up fans.

rsxnova

01-25-2011, 04:41 PM

We might have the pieces to do the dreaded rebuild on the run. I would love to land a few decent young players and still make the playoffs.

ammofan

01-25-2011, 07:57 PM

ALSO...a lottery NBA team loses alot of money. The Bobcats are going to likely lose money regardless BUT a playoff series againest MIA or BOS can make 5+ million for the team.

Chef

01-25-2011, 08:12 PM

i think we get our answer after this road trip. if we leave with a .500 or better stretch we go for the playoffs and give chicago a shitty 2011 draft pick. hopefully, we blow it up during the summer and rebuild after the cba with good picks 2012 and on. if we leave the road trip with a losing record, we blow it up go for high picks this year and in 2012, maybe 2013 then give up our chicago pick in 2014.

murphman

01-25-2011, 08:33 PM

Chef

01-25-2011, 09:32 PM

2012 is the 1st year Chicago can get our pick.

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nba/news/story?id=4925000

yup, that is right. well shit.

Carolina Swagger

01-25-2011, 10:40 PM

i agree with you. i think we can buckle down and push for a play off spot but we have to make our move now. We are going to surprize many people :)

davcbow

01-26-2011, 09:25 AM

I'll take the playoffs this season but if we get blown away like last years playoffs then maybe we should blow it up by letting go of the older players and building around DJ... :)

BobCatsFanInTx

01-26-2011, 11:34 PM

If our team is playing well for a decent period of time and we are in the thick of things playoff wise I think it would be foolish to blow it up. I personally want to blow it up but it would be foolish. However if the team is playing poorly and has slipped out of the playoff hunt heading into the trade deadline I say by all means we should blow it up and try to start again. I have faith in the team we have but would trade Gerald Wallace because I think Gerald Henderson is beginning to make him look expendable.

ohara831

01-27-2011, 09:18 AM

This team is playing very solid right now. But I really believe that between Crash and Jax, that Crash is the most expendable. But I would not trade him unless we got something which will actually add something to the team which we are missing. But if the right deal is there, I send him off.

Demon DeaCat

01-27-2011, 09:19 AM

While that would certainly make the decision easier, I don't think there's any chance we'll slip completely out of the playoff race before the deadline considering how bad the east is. Indiana has lost 6 straight and they're still just 2 games out. If we can make the playoffs (and we can) we have to go for it. There's no guaranteed pot of gold at the end of the rainbow if we blow it up and shoot for the lottery.

WAM9

01-27-2011, 11:02 AM

Another key component to this discussion is what "blowing it up" means. Does it mean trading 3-5 of our starters and literally starting over? Does it mean trading Jack AND Crash? What exactly would constitute blowing it up.

I assume that based on our recent success though that this mindset will become less and less prevalent.

I know it helps to make my original argument but damn, we are playing some pretty decent basketball right now with the roster we have!