Bobcats really need a big man down low seriously

[skratch]

so i was the bobcats games this weekend heat & Mavericks and if u havent realized already kwame brown is the worst player to ever play the game, borris diaw is just trash during the mavericks game dude was taking nothing but 3's and missing (he makes them most of the time) but still we dont need no man thats 6-8 poppin 3s when open and hes not athletic enough to compete with dirk and too small its embarassing how easily these teams just destroy charlotte in the paint and are always open down low it makes you mad and the fans were upset aswell, im not going to get started with kwame brown hes just awful to watch and brings the value down of charlotte, hes a joke hes soft and cant finish, small hands i can go on and on, ok now on to Eduardo Najera seriously where did we get this man from, every time he has the ball im scared hes going to lose it hes so uncoordinated and he shaky, everything he does is luck he doesnt even look comfortable out there, ok now Nazr Mohammed hes bad in my opinion too but should start over kwame to me, the whole bobcats bench is like a bunch of d league players i dont know where to start, against the mavs i dont remember even seeing derrick brown get any PT, he should of imo i think hes great he got potential just needs more development, maybe when tyrus thomas and diop come back it will look better down low but until then its awful, dirk had no competition last night no man could stop him, sherron collins is super undersized hes no nate robinson he cant shoot, im mad how he got playing time last night but matt carroll didnt get none in the past 2 games over the weekend what is going on? DJ didnt play well against heat and didnt start off hot against mavs until like the final 9mins in the 4th and only played 27mins, they say MJ wants to trade off wallace & jack? what kind of business moves is he thinking? selling the team? hes going to kill the franchise, he can trade jack but jack is best shooter on the team and that would hurt badly on those nights when wallace wants to shot extra poorly but wallace is a slasher but for some reason he wont drive until the 4th qtr and by then the game is over, i dont feel comfortable with him shooting long range hes below average from back there, against the mavs the bobcats were letting Jose Barea drive in everytime hes registered at 6-0 but looks smaller then that he had so much confidence driving on our big men, i dont know if the bobcats are going to make the playoffs or not cause its a toss up between them and pacers its going to be luck though, after the boston game monday they got 2 must win games against the pacers & new jersey that should help improve there record, overall i think the bobcats should be atleast the 6th team in the east if u look at the standings they fit right there behind orlando but there the only team with not REAL Big Man!! just scrubs, there bench is some scrubs too gerald henderson is a scrub imo (but thats i feel about duke players in general, but hes streaky to me and for some reason reminds me or robert horry idk) but Jack, DJ & Wallace are nice i just wish there were more plays certained around them 3 it seems like they all play free ball out there, i think DJ is an amazing PG upgrade over felton, even though i loved felton he just cant improve and his shooting is awful in the nba. & if dj had more to work (Big Man) he would be an elite pg up there with chris paul, his assist would go up.

Anyways who can the bobcats get for a trade? i would like artest since hes so defensive and bobcats really need someone who can defend cause no one else plays defense and gets in your face he fits perfectly there but would personalities clash with him on the team? (him and steph Jack LOL) i remember OJ Mayo trades but idk i use to love him when he was in HS he had the most buzz since MJ coming into college then when he hit the nba his stock fell and went to a struggling memphis squad and small market, hes a born starter he should be up there D-Rose as fars as guards i like him better at PG then SG hes a great play maker but we got dj for that

[Marvel]

I get the love fest for Kwame....well not really, but he's clearly not a starting caliber center in this league. Mavs were killing us on layups in the 1st half because Kwame's p&r defense was pathetic and there was no one protecting the rim.

[polarcat]

I feel like Tyrus would be a better pairing than Diaw on defense and once he's healthy, the defensive deficiency should be less. Seeing how hard it is to acquire a true big man that would take us to that next level, I have a feeling Kwame is going to be our best bet. I feel like with each week he's learning more and more from Oakley's mentoring and will continue to improve.

[Toocool]

My eyes bled reading that guy's post. Please edit and use paragraphs accordingly.

Tyrus is our main shot blocker, and since he's out they're not as afraid to attack the rim. Kwame isn't much of a shot blocker, nor is Nazzy and certainly not Diaw. I think when he comes back, our defense in the paint will improve.

[WrxErik]

This thread fails on so many levels lol. First do you know what a period is? (Not the one that makes women moody and bleed) You rant about us not having a big man then you think we should trade for Ron Artest? I smell a troll or someone who just started watching basketball over the weekend. What a Joke.

[mrtarheel]

The T'Wolves are said to be buying Eddy Curry out if they get in on the Melo trade

[dwest13cavs]

this thread fails...sorry.

The Mavericks and the Heat are two of the top 5 teams in the league. Mavs are pick n roll gods. They are just excellent at it. There is no sense to drop our heads because nobody could guard the pick n roll no matter who was in there. And to single out Diaw and Brown is pathetic. PnR defense is not just the big guys responsibility.

The defensive game plan against the Mavs just didn't change. Kwame was often out of position guarding the smaller quicker player or helping out with penetration, but that just means rotation needs to happen. Our rotation players couldn't handle Tyson Chandler. Despite Tyson Chandler having his usual high energy game, Kwame still caused some havoc offensively out there and did show some toughness offensively at the very least. HE got his own but did give up 2-3 of Tyson's rebounds while having primiary boxout responsibility. Tyson's other offensive rebounds were either because of the Pick N Roll switching or Kwame wasn't in the game.

Your bashing of Kwame is just out of place because you are basing it off of 2 games. He was a positive against the Heat in my eyes so basically you are bashing off of one game. I do not know why he didn't play more in the Heat game. I guess he just isn't in the come back lineup (small lineup).

Kwame needs to continue to play 30 mpg to see what type of player he really is. He has shown great promise out there. He has potential whether you want to admit it or not. The Bobcats are not going anywhere this year, this is what they are. They might as well see what they have in Kwame and other young guys. I think if trades come up, they will trade Wallace and SJack without a doubt.

Your arguments against Kwame are the same tired and played out arguments that really are just a play on the sterotyped group bashing mentality arguments that have plagued him for years. Do some research. Nobody said that Kwame had small hands until Kwame said he did himself in one of his interviews and that was in his last year with the Wizards. The question was about why he didn't dunk with one hand and he responded that he was not confident in palming a basketball with one hand. Have you actually measured his hands or looked at them? Kwame's main negative is that his ankle is not 100% healthy and he is about 15 pounds overweight still and therefore has no lift. In addition, anyone who shoots 60% from the FT is a negative in that regard.

When you say everything he does is luck? That makes no sense. So everything he doesn't do should be luck too right? If he luckily makes a basket..isn't it luck that he misses too? Its just a crap shoot then? You said you could go on and on... why didn't you? You needed too because your argument doesn't make alot of sense.

Kwame isn't the reason why the Bobcats lost to the Heat or Mavs. It was just like any other loss, it was a collective of things that happened.

[Twan's Kin]

What's the nature of Eddy Curry's injury and when is he scheduled to be healthy again?

[stun704]

wall o txt

[BlockParty]

What's the nature of Eddy Curry's injury and when is he scheduled to be healthy again?

His stomach has been expanding since birth, but he'll be ok after he bursts like the kid in Willie Wonka & The Chocolate Factory
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4_cf_fZDc0&feature=related

[GoBobs]

To the OP use more paragraphs bro that is hard to read. I will agree though that K Brown does not pass the eye test when I watch him play. He has been putting up some nice stats, but I don't have faith we can win with him. He doesn't seem to bring enough energy to the game for me.

Problem is big men who are good at a lot off different parts of the game are hard to find. If you get a young guy he is going to be a project and frustrate you most nights. The best old guy we could have gotten was probably Eric Dampier and we all know he isn't a game changer. If you try and draft a guy who is big you need a high pick and then you will still likely have to wait a long time before he is any good because they all come out so young.

I am kind of feeling a trade of Jackson/Brown (either one) for Mayo/Tabeet

[Boomer]

1.) use the fucking enter button to write a new paragraph

2.) We obviously need a lot of things and Dirk being a mismatch isn't something we need to make a trade for...he's a mismatch for every team

[Carolina Swagger]

if we get curry we have to pray he gets healthy. He really hurt the knicks and we need to get that big man presence.

[GoBobs]

going after a guy who hasn't played in three years = foolish plan

[rsxnova]

What's the nature of Eddy Curry's injury and when is he scheduled to be healthy again?

Not sure if serious + Wall'o text!

Nice thread. Would read again.

[DY_nasty]

Curry probably will never play again. He's not injured, he's just unbearably fat, likes to punch out cab drivers, and generally doesn't show an interest in basketball anymore. He's been this way for the past 3 and a half years. He's not going to play again - and if he does, the fans of whichever team he's on at the time should riot.

[polarcat]

Curry has not been a serviceable option in the NBA in over 5 years. Dude makes Sean May look like an anorexic with hustle. Curry was, is and always will be a bum.

[Katmandu]

Dude makes Sean May look like an anorexic with hustle.

Ouch! Good line.

[Marvel]

Can't believe some still think Curry has life as a basketball player.

[spectre]

Can we say "veteran's minimum"?

Agreed we need a legitimate big and I'm open to ideas. Thing is there are few out there that can be had...and most of those have big negatives.

[marino13882]

Paragraphs are the enemy!

[TheGayKid]

Let's be reasonable here! The bobcats can neither trade for nor afford the contract of, a top level center without messing up the team in some for or fashion. While a big man is nice, kwame is the best one we could probably get for output Vs. salary.

[teej]

Let's be reasonable here! The bobcats can neither trade for nor afford the contract of, a top level center without messing up the team in some for or fashion. While a big man is nice, kwame is the best one we could probably get for output Vs. salary.

Wallace, Carroll for Kaman, Rasual Butler (expiring) and a second.

[TheGayKid]

Wallace, Carroll for Kaman, Rasual Butler (expiring) and a second.

I'm not sure I would take that if I was a clipper

[ammofan]

I'm not sure I would take that if I was a clipper

They probably would take it. They aren't getting Melo and Rasual doesnt play. They also dont even need Kaman with Jordan playing so well this year.

I wouldn't do it tho....unless we can change Gerald with Jack.

[JamieMcNeill]

They probably would take it. They aren't getting Melo and Rasual doesnt play. They also dont even need Kaman with Jordan playing so well this year.

I wouldn't do it tho....unless we can change Gerald with Jack.

If is much smarter to trade Gerald and move jack to SF. Then Hendo would start and we can see what he's made of while also acquiring an expiring and a legit center.

also dont forget kamans contract is shorter than wallaces.
Teej and I discussed this earlier and it may be the best way to make us a better rounded team AND help us economically.

[BRNC]

I'd rather move Jack also...I'm tired of the "circus" with the refs and IMO the offense (ball movement) is much better when he's sitting...I'd do the trade with Jack instead of Crash but I doubt the Clips would...

[dwest13cavs]

Our perimeter defense has been horrid. Our defense in the paint rates near the top of the league based on oppenents FG% but oppenents attempt more shots down against the bobcats than most. Therefore, against the Bobcats, teams are less effecient going down compared to most teams in the league.

http://hoopdata.com/oteamshotlocs.aspx

Just looking at the percentages should give you an idea..especially the 3 pointers. Our guards show little resistence defensively causing many attempts down low and open jumpers. I believe our bigs are forced to rotate and have on average done a good job. I believe on pick n rolls, this is where we get hurt as well. Opponents get many open jumpers from using pick n rolls. Our strategy might need to change against pnrs...we might need to have our bigs to show hard/mini trap instead of switching all the time. Or we could just tell our guards to fight harder through screens. Gerald Henderson playing more might help because he is pretty good on defense.

[spectre]

Apologies for bumping this thread...but since the opening remark was to bash Kwame I felt it would be appropriate to put the following in this thread (also posted in the LAL game thread):

Bobcats Use Length To Protect The Rim Against The Lakers (http://nbaplaybook.com/2011/02/15/bobcats-defend-the-paint-against-the-lakers/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+NBAPlaybook+%28NBA+Playbook%2 9)



he problem with the Lakers’ offense is that they were missing at the rim more than usual. Los Angeles is 6th in the NBA, shooting 66.9% on shots located at the rim. Against the Bobcats, that number dropped all the way to 50%, which would be worst in the league by far (the Bucks are worst in the league shooting 57% at the rim).
Forcing offenses into poor shooting at the rim seems to be the Bobcats’ identity on the defensive end. They are currently 4th in the NBA, holding teams to just 60.5% shooting at the rim. To me, the key is the length of the Bobcats frontcourt:

Here, Andrew Bynum gets a very nice repost with terrific position. However Kwame Brown’s length bothers Bynum’s move. Not only that, but Brown keeping his hands up also bothers Ron Artest’s putback attempt.

In this clip, Ron Artest tries his luck in the post. However, he too has a long defender on him, Gerald Wallace. Again, the Lakers get the ball to their post man in terrific position, but Wallace gets his hands up and and forces Artest to shoot over them.

It wasn’t just in the post, but the Bobcats’ length in the frontcourt also bothered the Lakers on penetration. Here, Lamar Odom attacks the rim and gets by his man. However, Kwame Brown slides over, gets in front of the rim, and puts his hands up. This forces Odom to try and sidestep Brown and still get a shot over his extended arms, but he is unable to do so, missing the lay-up.

And finally here, Shannon Brown makes a great initial move and starts to drive baseline. Even though he beats his man, Brown still has to try and finish at the rim with two long defenders ((Kwame) Brown and Wallace) coming over and helping. Shannon Brown is forced to try and go underneath the rim for the reverse lay-up, but he misses.

One thing to take away from all of these clips is that the Bobcats aren’t fouling here. You don’t see the Bobcats’ bigs leaving their feet, and when they do, they aren’t swinging their arms widely going for the block, they are simply looking to bother the shot. This is another season-long trend for the Bobcats, as they are 8th in the NBA with an opponent free throw rate 28.9.

Not only do the Bobcats have length in the frontcourt, but they go about using it smartly. If they are able to give the big Lakers’ frontcourt problems, you can see why they give other teams problems as well.
Vids of all the above are at the link.

[BRNC]

Kwame is a bargain for what he's getting payed...is he the best C in the league...no...but he's going an adequate job...and we can't affors better without giving up more than (IMO) we can afford...

Kaman keeps popping up and it's not that I don't like him...but injuries every year scare me...

[TheGayKid]

Kwame is good cheap labor, why spoil that?